f you w april showers may bring may flowers 82? U WHIMP.
pssst…. it’s "wimp". cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
82 f you w april showers may bring may flowers 82? You pansie.
pssst…. it’s "pansy". cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
82 f you w april showers may bring may flowers
82? You pansie.
What means "due up next week, 16 miles?" You posted this the 11th. 8 days till the race and you still plan another 16 mile run of which 6 wiill be marathon place? I take it your one week of 35 miles was your taper. IMO this 16 mile run will do absolutly nothing to help you and likely leave your quality marathon with this last run. Yipes, yeah, what Donovan said, 16 (+26.2) miles next "week"
Whew! 
4+5+4+3 = 16. Now, the guy at work who is insisting on doing 30 miles (total) this week before the marathon is nuts.
It the guy was doing 120, then 60 then 30 I guess it would be a taper. 
— Doug Freese "Caveat Lector"
Immediate goals: 18′ in 5km race on Apr 25, 37′ in 10km race on May 2 M: run 16km: included 8 x 500m hill repeats running uphill at ~85% effort; walk and jog slowly downhill T: 20′ easy biking, upper body weights W: run 16km mostly at 4′30"/km R: 20′ easy biking, upper body weights F: run 18km: roughly 10km at 4′30"/km, 8km at 4′15"/km S: zero: deliberate rest day S: run 15km including 12 x 650m hill repeats: run uphill at ~80% effort; walk and jog slowly downhill Total run: 65km
82 f you w april showers may bring may flowers
82? U WHIMP.
What means "due up next week, 16 miles?" You posted this the 11th. 8 days till the race and you still plan another 16 mile run of which 6 wiill be marathon place? I take it your one week of 35 miles was your taper. IMO this 16 mile run will do absolutly nothing to help you and likely leave your quality marathon with this last run.
Yipes, yeah, what Donovan said, 16 (+26.2) miles next "week" 4+5+4+3 = 16. Now, the guy at work who is insisting on doing 30 miles (total) this week before the marathon is nuts. –Ryan
82 f you w april showers may bring may flowers
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your
training week and goals. << Mon – 6.7 miles, 53:09 Tue – DNR Wed – Corporate Challenge 3.5-mile, 25:34, and one-mile warm-up Thu – 12.2 miles, 1:45:32 Fri – DNR Sat – Race for the Cure 5K, 25:31 Sun – DNR Total – 26.5 miles The Corporate Challenge was disappointing because I went out too fast, I knew I was going out too fast , and I still couldn’t slow down. Well I could, for a few steps, but then I was back up to speed through mile two after which I didn’t have much choice but to slow down. My splits were 6:57, 6:52 (some downhill), 8:01 (some opposite of downhill), and 3:44 for the last half-mile. On the bright side it is a PR for 3.5 miles (out of three races run at the distance) by 45 seconds and beat last year’s time by about a minute. The Race for the Cure was equally frustrating but for different reasons. I would have been happier if I had arrived earlier; I would have signed up to be chip-timed in that case. Apparently the chip-wearers got a separate corral to line up and I’m assuming therefore had many fewer walkers to navigate through. Since I got there late and went chipless, I started back in amongst the walkers and never really broke free from the madding crowd. Splits for this race were 9:16, 7:58, and 8:17 for the last 1.1 mile. Mike
Due up next week, 16 miles, 6 of which at marathon pace (6:40), with Boston on the 19th.
What means "due up next week, 16 miles?" You posted this the 11th. 8 days till the race and you still plan another 16 mile run of which 6 wiill be marathon place? I take it your one week of 35 miles was your taper. IMO this 16 mile run will do absolutly nothing to help you and likely leave your quality marathon with this last run. Good luck to all of you who are also running.
Good luck to you also!!! — Doug Freese "Caveat Lector"
Due up next week, 16 miles, 6 of which at marathon pace (6:40), with Boston on the 19th. What means "due up next week, 16 miles?" You posted this the 11th. 8 days till the race and you still plan another 16 mile run of which 6 wiill be marathon place? I take it your one week of 35 miles was your taper. IMO this 16 mile run will do absolutly nothing to help you and likely leave your quality marathon with this last run.
Doug, I think he meant that 16 miles would be his *total* milage in the last week before the marathon. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
Been a while since I’ve posted… Goals: 2:56 in Boston. M: dnr T: 7, w/4×1600 at 5:38/5:40/5:45/5:46 – average interval is fastest run to date W: 7, ~7:30pace F: dnr S: 10, ~7:45pace S: 6, downhill ~2%, 4 miles at 6:31 (mp effort) Total: 35 Haven’t run this littlie in a long time (December) My legs felt not so good on Saturday, probably due to the hard workout on Tuesday, so I kept things easy. Hard to do. Bulid up races all point to a 2:56-2:57 result (including a 1:23 half that I wasn’t even trying to race and a 37:45 10k on a hilly course) Due up next week, 16 miles, 6 of which at marathon pace (6:40), with Boston on the 19th. Good luck to all of you who are also running. I’ll be wearing bib 3136 if anybody cares to follow. –Ryan
Goals: Big Lake Half Marathon May 8th, then build base for fall Marathon Monday – off Tuesday – 4.7mi (8:20 pace) Wednesday – 6.5mi (8:04 pace) Thursday- 5mi (8:45 pace) Friday – off Saturday – Bow Lake 15k 9.3mi (7:36 pace 30th place overall) Sunday – 5mi (8:27 pace) Total- 30.5 miles Notes: Back to 45 miles this coming week. Race report is in another post. Not much else to say. Mark
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals.
Happy Hop Hop Day my week: s – about 40 min. swim, DNR m – :40 fartlek run t – :45 bike, DNR w – :40 tempo run t – rest f – :40 hilly run s – :40 swim workout, DNR, ate much chocolate afterwards! s – :40 fartlek run, ate MORE chocolate. yes, the reason i run. comments: feeling stronger day by day. the hills and intervals are building up my stamina, and i can sustain faster speeds for longer once again. slight ITB irration of the right knee, but pre and post-run stretching helps to alleviate it. nothing at all serious. just gotta keep on top of that. my common complaint during race season. goals: i want so badly to do two races near the end of May but am not sure if i can swing that time-wise, energy-wise, and possibly money-wise. one is a triathlon which will demand a lot from me, then the following weekend i believe i’d like to do a 5K, sort of a token appearance just so i don’t miss out on participating in the Ottawa National Capital Race Weekend… a huge event that i haven’t missed once since i started running and racing. i *could* take it easy in that second race, depending on how i feel. i know that after last year’s sprint triathlon, i really needed a full week or a bit more to really feel ready for action again. then again, it was the swim that did me in; i was fine to run not long after. what do *you* think? :) Cam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals. First week of trainnig after one full week of nothing due to post-op. Ran out of gas yesterday at the 5k… the hilly 10 mile race the day before coupled with my lingering pain from the surgery was my reason for backing off the last half of the race, coasting in with an 18:11. I just needed the points; my only reason for running both. Still undecided if I should abandon the planned marathon in May. I just need it to qualify for Boston, and could run it substantially slower than race pace and still make it – however that would obviously still stress my system.
You’ve got until next February to qualify, what’s the rush? While you may qualify next month, you could get a better starting position by running a better time next Fall. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – M 60 min recumbant (10 min 129hr, 45min 159hr, 5min 180hr) T 30 min stationary (160 hr) W 1km (5:30/km), 30 min recumbant, (160hr), 2km (4:00/km) T 6km (3:58/km) F Good Friday 10 Mile Race, 62:18, 1km up S Subaru 5k Race, 18:11, 2km up pm/ 30 min recumbant (100 hr) S 8km easy (4:35/km) Total – 41km cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
goals: get the mileage up (inching toward 70 mpw), stay healthy. Upcoming races: 5K April 17; 5K May 1; marathon Oct 10. M: 8.5mi (8:56) T: 0 – unplanned tooth extraction, missed track W: 13mi (8:59) R: 8.5mi (8:39) F: 8mi including ladder workout – 4×100/100 rest, 2×200/200 rest, 3×300/100 rest, 4×400/200 rest, back down with the 300s, 200s, 100s. goal avgs :22, :45, 1:09, 1:36. actual avgs :19, :44, 1:06, 1:34 Sa: 9.6mi (8:50) Su: 16.75mi (8:42) total: 64.3 miles good week all Karen
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals.
Mon – rest Tue – 9.0 LT, 3 up, 4 @ LT @ 7:36/mi, 2 down Fri – rest Week – 45 miles Year – 535 miles Notes: Most weekly miles and long run since September ‘99. My weight has now stabilized for that past 3 weeks at around 165 lbs. 80 pound loss since June ‘03. 25 pounds less than my last marathon in ‘99. Training Goals: 2 weeks until beginning a 24-week marathon training program. I’ve been working on base building for the last few months. Adding an occasional weekly 20 – 30 minutes at LT pace. Hoping to be able to slide into the training program without too much effort. The program starts out at 45 MPW. Racing Goals: 5/31/04 – 10K, sub 43 7/11/04 – Half Marathon, sub 1:40 a sub 1:45 gets me a preferred start at the marathon 10/10/04 – Marathon, sub 3:30 Have a good week rec.runners. Phil M. — "Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be everlasting." -fortune cookie
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals.
First week of trainnig after one full week of nothing due to post-op. Ran out of gas yesterday at the 5k… the hilly 10 mile race the day before coupled with my lingering pain from the surgery was my reason for backing off the last half of the race, coasting in with an 18:11. I just needed the points; my only reason for running both. Still undecided if I should abandon the planned marathon in May. I just need it to qualify for Boston, and could run it substantially slower than race pace and still make it – however that would obviously still stress my system. M 60 min recumbant (10 min 129hr, 45min 159hr, 5min 180hr) T 30 min stationary (160 hr) W 1km (5:30/km), 30 min recumbant, (160hr), 2km (4:00/km) T 6km (3:58/km) F Good Friday 10 Mile Race, 62:18, 1km up S Subaru 5k Race, 18:11, 2km up pm/ 30 min recumbant (100 hr) S 8km easy (4:35/km) Total – 41km cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals.
M 10.3 slow T 13: 6×500m or so with training group 1:40/1:35/1:33/1:31/1:30/1:28/1:29 followed by an easy 6 miler W 7 easy run with some strides T 8.9 5k tempo 18:42 F 5 miles slow S 10.9: 4×1200 4:09/4:12/4:15/4:15, 4×200 at about 35 each. (The full workout is run to the track, run 4 laps warmup, 4×1200 with a lap in between each, 4 laps cooldown, 4×200 with 200 jog, 4 more laps cooldown, run home. The run to the track and back is 2.9 miles, plus the 32 laps on track) S Will do 15, I promise Total 70 That’s the last of my heavy training weeks for Spring. Pretty happy with it, didn’t die in my track intervals, tempo went OK and the group training session went well (that means I kept up with the people I wanted to keep up with). Time for a little less milage so my "running legs" will be with me in the May races. Cheers, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
sun off mon- 10 miles bike walk run hike swim. tue- 25 miles bike hike walk. wen-27 miles bike hike walk. thur job interview. by Hell Mi. Yes there is a God. fri 14 miles saturday- 30 miles total miles for week…..106 miles for week. 2 kids getting married soon of mine.
M-Off T-EZ 3.9 W-50 min on elliptical R-4.25 with a few hill strides F-4×0.25mi hills-I walked up the hill as fast as I could. 1 mi running warm up S-EZ 3mi, my legs seem to be feeling better S-EZ6.6-Felt really good. Averaged 7:40. Thats pretty good considering I haven’t run in 5 weeks. Total ~18mi Overall my shin is feeling better. My shin swells up a little after each run, but I don’t have the pain of the fracture anymore, I think my muscles are just a little weak. The pain has been getting progressively better through this week. I am going to ramp this week’s mileage up to 20-22. My wife’s training is on track to have a really good race at Boston. If she runs a laser tight race, she could break 3hrs. I would guess realistically she’ll run a 3:04 +/- 2 minutes. Joe
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
Greetings (and happy Easter), rec.runners. Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."
Goals: short-term, April 25th La Jolla 1/2 Marathon; long term, stay healthy and increase mileage to 30+/week base before training starts for the Marine Corps ‘thon (10/30). Monday: 4.75 easy to moderate Tuesday: Weights Wednesday: 4.75 total, with 2.5 of 0.1 hill intervals (12) Thursday: 3.5 at tempo (was supposed to be easy, but I got carried away since I was running outdoors ). Friday: OFF Saturday: 13 miles "slow", actually ran in 2:15, 10:21 min/mile pace, which isn’t much slower than what I plan to do at La Jolla; used 1 mile walk breaks, but able to run the last two miles straight through. Felt very strong, so this is a good kick the tires and see what I got for the upcoming half. — eNo "Why am I here?"
Goal: Keep ramping up mileage for summer racing season. Short week this week as I switch to Daniels’ Sunday-to-Saturday schedule. Didn’t run Sunday anyhow. Mon: 13 Tue: 4.22 easy Wed: 8.04 hilly Thu: 5 easy Fri: 10 Sat: Walked Race for the Cure 5K with GF in just over 1 hour. Total: 40.26 — Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing and proofreading If you’re going through hell, keep going. –Winston Churchill
Try to get back to normal after 3 weeks of bronchitis & general weakness. I am switching over to speedwork on the track, and will be running untapered 10k races on most Saturdays as a hard tempo run. Goal is to get my 10k time back down to 80% wava (age adjusted, of course), then race a 50 mile or marathon. Sun: 15.5 miles Old Mt. Wilson trail to Summit & back .4,500
You want honesty? You really want honesty??? OK then: we’re all too tired, too worn, too enervated to have another ranting thread about True Triathlon vs all the pretenders.
Wussy. I think I’ll go and have a lie down.
Old wussy. Getting all the loud, painful, badly behaved snowboarders to go to the US and leave the alpine slopes to the skiers for a week or so?
Old wussy fussbudget. Most of the ones I’ve come across couldn’t straighten up long enough to be able to focus on the bottle.
Bitter old wussy fussbudget.
So, everyone went nuts because Triathlete magazine did an issue about adventure racing and that isn’t triathlon. Personally, it didn’t bug me too much because I’m always behind in my reading and I got to take that issue "off."
What’s the problem? They don’t call it "Triathlon", they call it adventure racing. It’s a different sport with great crossover appeal and a good option for cross training. And it looks like a lot of fun! Hoping to try one this year. I noticed they did some stuff about the winter triathlon championships (run, mountain bike, freestyle cross-country ski). Did this bug people as much as the adventure racing stuff? Also, there’s apparently talk of putting winter triathlon in the Olympics. Thoughts? -Harold
Whatever. Name them whatever you want. Adventure racing, winter triathlon, International triathlon, draft legal tri, traditional tri, "real" tri (whatever that is). There will only be one form of the sport that truly tests the individual athlete’s ability against that of his/her competitors in a swim/time trial/run contest. It’s a shame the pros work for all those years in one format, and then end up competing for gold in something entirely different, IMHO. Tom
So, everyone went nuts because Triathlete magazine did an issue about adventure racing and that isn’t triathlon. Personally, it didn’t bug me too much because I’m always behind in my reading and I got to take that issue "off."
How did I miss that one? Too many people here need to live somewhere else, perhaps where there are only three seasons. Multisport is multisport. I’m going to have fun with the Hitec series at least once this year. Also, there’s apparently talk of putting winter triathlon in the Olympics. Thoughts?
XC, shooting, and ??? Ski jumping, perhaps? — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com
So, everyone went nuts because Triathlete magazine did an issue about adventure racing and that isn’t triathlon. Personally, it didn’t bug me too much because I’m always behind in my reading and I got to take that issue "off." I noticed they did some stuff about the winter triathlon championships (run, mountain bike, freestyle cross-country ski). Did this bug people as much as the adventure racing stuff? Also, there’s apparently talk of putting winter triathlon in the Olympics. Thoughts? -Harold
So, everyone went nuts because Triathlete magazine did an issue about adventure racing and that isn’t triathlon. Personally, it didn’t bug me too much because I’m always behind in my reading and I got to take that issue "off." I noticed they did some stuff about the winter triathlon championships (run, mountain bike, freestyle cross-country ski). Did this bug people as much as the adventure racing stuff?
It should, if they’re honest. Also, there’s apparently talk of putting winter triathlon in the Olympics. Thoughts?
Screw the Olympics. It’s just a media circus. Know what the best thing about adding snowboarding to the winter Olympics was? They had a sport where the best of the best had no interest in the Olympics, and instead went to the winter X games. Granted, it was because they couldn’t pass the "fill the bottle" test, but it’s still a hoot.
So, everyone went nuts because Triathlete magazine did an issue about adventure racing and that isn’t triathlon. Personally, it didn’t bug me too much because I’m always behind in my reading and I got to take that issue "off." I noticed they did some stuff about the winter triathlon championships (run, mountain bike, freestyle cross-country ski). Did this bug people as much as the adventure racing stuff? It should, if they’re honest.
You want honesty? You really want honesty??? OK then: we’re all too tired, too worn, too enervated to have another ranting thread about True Triathlon vs all the pretenders. Also, there’s apparently talk of putting winter triathlon in the Olympics. Thoughts?
I think I’ll go and have a lie down. Screw the Olympics. It’s just a media circus.
Change the channel. Know what the best thing about adding snowboarding to the winter Olympics was?
Getting all the loud, painful, badly behaved snowboarders to go to the US and leave the alpine slopes to the skiers for a week or so? They had a sport where the best of the best had no interest in the Olympics, and instead went to the winter X games. Granted, it was because they couldn’t pass the "fill the bottle" test, but it’s still a hoot.
Most of the ones I’ve come across couldn’t straighten up long enough to be able to focus on the bottle. Mark M
Is the web site up yet? I can’t seem to find any information. If someone has an email or web address it would be greatly appreciated
Terre Haute, Indiana Terre Haute Triathlon May 20 1K Swim 40K bike 8K run Wetsuits allowed – no drafting Fast and fun early season race. Limit 350 812-238-7311
Is the web site up yet? I can’t seem to find any information. If someone has an email or web address it would be greatly appreciated
Yes, the web site is up – I have already signed up! Look for it at www.muncieendurathon.com…. Good luck, Kurt — Kurt Estes http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Rapids/9048/index.html Before you buy.
The Fort Collins race is on July 18th – Check out www.racingunderground.com for info on the Colorado Tri Scene -Darrin
Has anyone on this forum heard when the 1999 Fort Collins (Colorado) Triathlon will be held? Thank you. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Has anyone on this forum heard when the 1999 Fort Collins (Colorado) Triathlon will be held? Thank you. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Hi, My bike shop is selling 2 different types of Triathlon bikes. Exclusive reseller of Wheeler’s and Cervelo’s bikes in Nice area. My opinion is that the T63 is an entry bike for triathlon but not a real triathlon bike. It can be a good option for the money, but you cannot ask too much from the bike itself. You’ll certainly have to change soon for something else. If you are looking for a very good (tri) bike, you should take care to the weight, the position (78 seat tube angle vs 76 for the T63), the stiffness, the aerodynamic, the quality of the frame…. For all these points and for the look, I have opted last year for the Cervelo Eyre Tri model and I do not regret it, it is really worth the money and I know it wil be efficient for a longer period of time than the wheeler, but that is my choice. Hope this helps. Olivier I am about to buy a new Wheeler T63 triathlon bike. This will be my first triathlon bike, so I do not have any experience in specifying the bike. If you know the model – what do you think? otherwise, what important characteristics should I look in a triathlon structure bike. Thanks.
I am about to buy a new Wheeler T63 triathlon bike. This will be my first triathlon bike, so I do not have any experience in specifying the bike. If you know the model – what do you think? otherwise, what important characteristics should I look in a triathlon structure bike. Thanks.
Go for an KLEIN Tria bike. Peter, Linz/ Austria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am about to buy a new Wheeler T63 triathlon bike. This will be my first triathlon bike, so I do not have any experience in specifying the bike. If you know the model – what do you think? otherwise, what important characteristics should I look in a triathlon structure bike. Thanks.
Have you noticed that Carlos hasn’t posted much this week? That’s because he’s been busy with his new son! Congratulations to Carlos and Diana on the birth of their new baby Javier. Photo on: http://augie.calabrese.net/javier.html Augie Calabrese
A future ‘Cane, too! Mike "I’m not one, but my son is" Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03
Have you noticed that Carlos hasn’t posted much this week? That’s because he’s been busy with his new son! Congratulations to Carlos and Diana on the birth of their new baby Javier. Photo on: http://augie.calabrese.net/javier.html Augie Calabrese
Have you noticed that Carlos hasn’t posted much this week? That’s because he’s been busy with his new son! Congratulations to Carlos and Diana on the birth of their new baby Javier. Photo on: http://augie.calabrese.net/javier.html Augie Calabrese
Seems to be quite a year for him. Lottery winner, IMH finisher, and now new father. Congrats Carlos. Wish you and your son a great future together. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
My regards to the group.. A legitimate question and not a single nasty post in the bunch. I really think that is the key to it all, those who know something helping those who ask.. I love it! Buck
My regards to the group.. A legitimate question and not a single nasty post in the bunch. I really think that is the key to it all, those who know something helping those who ask.. I love it! Buck
Well, personally I thought that there were at least two posts that rated somewhat "jerky"…maybe not nasty…I will let anybody interested decide which two posts they were…
This is a friendly group that takes special care of newbies. You won’t see flames for questions that are asked in good faith. Where you will see flames is when someone states something false as if it were true. Authoritative guessing or recounting of folklore as fact gets my attention and that’s where I usually add a little combustion when I respond. The groups that I frequent all follow these same principles. The difference is in how much latitude there is in determining whether someone is trying to give a good-faith answer or pontificating. I’m one of the chief pontificators around here, but I’m a MOPP (middle of the pack pontificator) in other groups. That tells you where we stand. I’m still trying to figure out which two responses in this thread were snotty. You want snotty–go to rec.bikes.anything and post a message unscrupulous marketers in cahoots with a paternalistic government" or "I ran into a tree and my helmet saved my life." Then you will get snotty responses. My regards to the group.. A legitimate question and not a single nasty post in the bunch. I really think that is the key to it all, those who know something helping those who ask.. I love it! Buck
Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.
Thank you everyone for your help. That’s what I was wondering, whether or not I’d be embarrassed showing up at a triathlon with a mountain bike. The people on this newsgroup are as helpful as rec.running. Dave Kennedy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes — you need a "street bike" to compete. No — you do not need a "street bike" to participate! :) Awright, awright, don’t go confusing the newbie! That’s actually a very accurate answer, but to be less flippant and more straightforward: No, you are not required to ride a "street bike" in a triathlon. You are more than welcome to participate using a mountain bike, and you will surely see quite a few other folks out there on mountain bikes. Go out and have fun, don’t worry about the equipment! Good luck– Tri-Baby _ - o ‘ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Dave- The best advice I could offer would be to take your Mountain Bike, and go do an off-road or Mtn. Bike Triathlon…. Skip the road tri altogether and have fun in the dirt.
No kidden graham. I did my first two tris on a mtn bike. I had a great time both times. My times kinda sucked relative to everyone else but hey, I still had a blast. I’ve now got a decent tribike and am into the sport fairly heavily Had I not done those first races I probably woudn’t be into the sport right now. I say go for it. If you’ve got a bike with 2 wheels try it.. If you like it invest more into a bike if you can. If you don’t like it then you haven’t lost anything. Byron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave- The best advice I could offer would be to take your Mountain Bike, and go do an off-road or Mtn. Bike Triathlon…. Skip the road tri altogether and have fun in the dirt. That is not always an alternative. There are very few mtn bike triathlons or biathlons here in this part of the country. A person doing a tri on a mtn bike may learn to love the sport..new competitiors should be encouraged, not discouraged…DAVE what part of the country are you in? If you can get to my race in north Alabama, you have free entry..contact me at
Dave- The best advice I could offer would be to take your Mountain Bike, and go do an off-road or Mtn. Bike Triathlon…. Skip the road tri altogether and have fun in the dirt.
That is not always an alternative. There are very few mtn bike triathlons or biathlons here in this part of the country. A person doing a tri on a mtn bike may learn to love the sport..new competitiors should be encouraged, not discouraged…DAVE what part of the country are you in? If you can get to my race in north Alabama, you have free entry..contact me at
I’m a runner and only recently started cycling. I’m interested in getting into triathlons. I only have a mountain bike and just had slick tires put on it to make street riding easier. My question is, do you need a street bike to compete in a triathlon? Dave Kennedy
Yes — you need a "street bike" to compete. No — you do not need a "street bike" to participate! :)
Awright, awright, don’t go confusing the newbie! That’s actually a very accurate answer, but to be less flippant and more straightforward: No, you are not required to ride a "street bike" in a triathlon. You are more than welcome to participate using a mountain bike, and you will surely see quite a few other folks out there on mountain bikes. Go out and have fun, don’t worry about the equipment! Good luck– Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Yes — you need a "street bike" to compete. No — you do not need a "street bike" to participate! :) — Mark
So, people do regularly participate in triathlons with mountain bikes on a street course? Thanks for your input. Dave Kennedy
I’m a runner and only recently started cycling. I’m interested in getting into triathlons. I only have a mountain bike and just had slick tires put on it to make street riding easier. My question is, do you need a street bike to compete in a triathlon? Dave Kennedy
No, you don’t HAVE to have a street or road or tri bicycle whatever you wish to call it to compete in triathlons. I have seen many races with several people on mtn bikes. I think Team Magic in Birmingham AL has even occasionally had a fat tire division…as you said, put some road tires on it and do your best..if you enjoy triathlon’ing, you will find yourself wanting to upgrade to a road bike and thus increase your speed..have fun…
Yes — you need a "street bike" to compete. No — you do not need a "street bike" to participate! :)
Although many triathlons and duathlons have "specialty" divisions for mountain bike competitors. While the divisions are usually small, there are others out there to compete against. Depending on your biking skill, you’ll be giving up around 3mph compared to riding a street bike. On a 20 mile bike course, that’ll put you about 9 minutes back going into the last run, which would keep you well behind the top guys, regardless of your swim or run times.
Yes — you need a "street bike" to compete. No — you do not need a "street bike" to participate! :) — Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a runner and only recently started cycling. I’m interested in getting into triathlons. I only have a mountain bike and just had slick tires put on it to make street riding easier. My question is, do you need a street bike to compete in a triathlon? Dave Kennedy
Probably the best way to get real help and info is to join a Tri club. Call or Email USA Triathlon and inquire if there is a club in your area. You’ll then get the added benefit of some experienced athletes. John Schiller
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings from a REAL new newbie, I’ve been a competitive bodybuilder for the past several years…outside of using the LifeCycle to drop FAT or the occassional jog, have never participated consistently in any sustained aerobic competition. Recently purchased a brand new, Raleigh mountain bike and have been biking daily and enjoying it very much. I live in Houston and have access to a competition swimming pool. I am considering "switching gears" (no pun intended) in order to try to compete in a triathalon. The dieting and training appear to be almost grotesquely different…..Can any of you offer some helpful advice as to how one would "start from scratch"? Diet? Training? Breakdown of running, swimming, and biking? (frequency & distance) Any ATB bikes used? If not, how much $$$ does one need to spend for a race bike? Thanks in advance for any help and support you all can provide. If you want to e-mail me privately instead of wasting bandwidth here, please do so…it seems as if the majority of posters here are fairly serious competitors.. Andrew A. Galvin
Hi Andrew, Sounds like you’re in the same boat as me. While I never competed, I’ve been bodybuilding for nearly nine years now and up until about 4 months ago, "aerobic exercise" consisted of maybe 20 minutes on a Lifecycle or some other such nonsense (*very* infrequently too). Tricia’s and John’s posts will give you a great jump-off point into tri’s. These are some of the sources I used all of 3 months ago when I decided to start training. I’m piping in to let you know that the good news is, you won’t have to curb your diet. I know I used to pack it away when trying to add mass, and I still eat almost exactly the same! If anything, I have left everything in my diet the same, but added some more carbs on days when I have a tri workout. I still lift weights 3 times a week (4 in the offseason), and do 2 workouts a week (each) for swimming, biking, and running. This won’t get me to Hawaii, but my goal right now is just to A) *finish* a few sprint tri’s, B) try to improve each time (gains come quickly in the beginning), and C) keep most of the muscle I’ve worked so hard for (I know, it keeps me from being faster, but I can’t let it go just yet). I lived in Houston up until last year, and I can tell you as the last part of your training diet, *drink lots of water*. I don’t think there was one time that I exercised outside that I didn’t end up at least somewhat dehydrated (especially on those beer golf days). 
I bought a road bike because I had no bike at all, but my wife is using her old steel Peugeot and making great gains – the ATB will work great until YOU want to make the upgrade. Bottom line, you have a good diet in place from bodybuilding – don’t mess with it too much unless you start running out of energy during training. My first 800m swim took me almost 40 minutes (I fondly call it an inteval workout, but stopping at each end to catch my breath doesn’t *really* qualify). 800m in my last workout took me just over 16 minutes (continuous). Aerobic exercise doesn’t suck as much as I once thought. Have fun! Feel free to e-mail me with any questions that I might answer from my bodybuilder-to-new-triathlete point of view (address in the header). cdk — Chris Kinney – Dragon MechE – Nokia Mobile Phones Everybody hurts during the race. Whoever deals with the pain best, wins. Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
Greetings from a REAL new newbie, I’ve been a competitive bodybuilder for the past several years…outside of using the LifeCycle to drop FAT or the occassional jog, have never participated consistently in any sustained aerobic competition. Recently purchased a brand new, Raleigh mountain bike and have been biking daily and enjoying it very much. I live in Houston and have access to a competition swimming pool. I am considering "switching gears" (no pun intended) in order to try to compete in a triathalon. The dieting and training appear to be almost grotesquely different…..Can any of you offer some helpful advice as to how one would "start from scratch"? Diet? Training? Breakdown of running, swimming, and biking? (frequency & distance) Any ATB bikes used? If not, how much $$$ does one need to spend for a race bike? Thanks in advance for any help and support you all can provide. If you want to e-mail me privately instead of wasting bandwidth here, please do so…it seems as if the majority of posters here are fairly serious competitors.. Andrew A. Galvin
Greetings from a REAL new newbie,
*snip* I am considering "switching gears" (no pun intended) in order to try to compete in a triathalon. The dieting and training appear to be almost grotesquely different…..Can any of you offer some helpful advice as to how one would "start from scratch"? Diet? Training? Breakdown of running, swimming, and biking? (frequency & distance)
The best advice I could offer would be to point you to the best known sources for this information. Try these two websites: http://www.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html (this is the Frequently Asked Questions file for this newsgroup, and contains a wealth of basic information, including a simple plan for starting tri training) http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html (this is Marty Miller’s Triathlete’s Web, the most complete triathlon site on the Web. If the particular info you seek isn’t on Marty’s site, he’ll have a link to a site that will have it.) Also, read anything you can find in print about triathlon. The two main magazines for the sport are Triathlete Magazine and Inside Triathlon. Both offer excellent advice on training and racing. There are also a number of excellent books on the subject out there, notably one called "Swim, Bike, Run" by two fellows whose names I suddenly can’t remember! One of them is an occasional poster on rec.sport.triathlon—is it Todd Kearney? Anyway, there are also a number of books by professional triathletes, so check ‘em out. Lastly, stick with this newsgroup. RST is an invaluable source of information for triathletes at every level. In the 4 years I’ve been doing tris, nothing has been as valuable to me as the knowledge, inspiration, and motivation I’ve gained from the newsgroup. I can assure you that I wouldn’t be preparing for my first Ironman this year if it weren’t for the sickos—uh, excuse me, fine folks on RST! ;-) Any ATB bikes used? If not, how much $$$ does one need to spend for a race bike?
Yep, you sure can use a mountain bike in a tri. There are even a handful of events specifically for mountain bikes, and the ride is off-road. But it’s perfectly all right to use an ATB in a regular tri as well. Once you get hooked on the sport you’ll want to get a proper road bike, but for starting out just use whatever you’ve got and enjoy the experience. One piece of advice about using a mountain bike for tris, though: replace the knobby tires with slick ones (unless it’s actually an off-road tri); the difference this makes in terms of rolling resistance is quite substantial. Thanks in advance for any help and support you all can provide. If you want to e-mail me privately instead of wasting bandwidth here, please do so…it seems as if the majority of posters here are fairly serious competitors..
Tee hee hee hee….gotcha fooled! Good luck! Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Chris, Thanks for your post and your feedback…I have access to UT-H pool and have started to swim-well, what I guess passes for swimming I would say that I’m about as fluid as a bag of wet mice in the water at the present time. The triathlon that got me interested is a rather mild one and set six months from now, so with diligent training, I should have a shot at completion and be able to tell whether or not this is something I want to continue. I love bodybuilding, but the amount of time needed to compete, with limited reward (other than personal) and the frequent justification…Yes, I realize that this is a "sport" that consists of picking up pieces of heavy metal and putting them back down…gets old. Time for a change..THAT, and the fact that I’m gonna hit THIRTY this year and have been having a bit of a crisis over this Thanks again for your advice. I have received quite a few postings from others in RST (Tricia is "tri-baby", right?) and will keep others posted. Andrew
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings from a REAL new newbie, I’ve been a competitive bodybuilder for the past several years…outside of using the LifeCycle to drop FAT or the occassional jog, have never participated consistently in any sustained aerobic competition. Recently purchased a brand new, Raleigh mountain bike and have been biking daily and enjoying it very much. I live in Houston and have access to a competition swimming pool. I am considering "switching gears" (no pun intended) in order to try to compete in a triathalon. The dieting and training appear to be almost grotesquely different…..Can any of you offer some helpful advice as to how one would "start from scratch"? Diet? Training? Breakdown of running, swimming, and biking? (frequency & distance) Any ATB bikes used? If not, how much $$$ does one need to spend for a race bike? Thanks in advance for any help and support you all can provide. If you want to e-mail me privately instead of wasting bandwidth here, please do so…it seems as if the majority of posters here are fairly serious competitors.. Andrew A. Galvin
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What is this crap? I don’t need any stinking points to tell me how my training is going. I have hard days, I have easy days and I have rest days. I think the best way to guage my training is when I race. If I do good, I have trained well, if not … well better start hitting it.
Or maybe you’re overtrained . . . I certainly would not sit and think "damn if I would have had had 10 more points on the bike three weeks ago …" IMHO, I think you guys might be slaves to the training log.
I think you’re pretty arrogant. Todd Gerlach p.s. I do keep a training log which includes distance, place, and how I felt. That’s all I really need, everything else is just fluff.
– LSC (aka Larry Chapman) (303) 229-3117
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". : 1mi Run = 1 pt : 4mi Bike = 1 pt : .25mi swim = 1 pt points workout 8 race 8 hill repeats (hard) 6 hill repeats (moderate) 5 intervals (hard) What is this crap? I don’t need any stinking points to tell me how my training is going. I have hard days, I have easy days and I have rest days. I think the best way to guage my training is when I race. If I do good, I have trained well, if not … well better start hitting it. I certainly would not sit and think "damn if I would have had had 10 more points on the bike three weeks ago …" IMHO, I think you guys might be slaves to the training log. Todd Gerlach p.s. I do keep a training log which includes distance, place, and how I felt. That’s all I really need, everything else is just fluff.
Hey, take it easy. No way would I do this either, but to each his own. Just view it as a hobby – like collecting stamps or something.
Where did you come up with your figures from?
Total "gut feel". — LSC (aka Larry Chapman) (303) 229-3117
: I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". : 1mi Run = 1 pt : 4mi Bike = 1 pt : .25mi swim = 1 pt points workout 8 race 8 hill repeats (hard) 6 hill repeats (moderate) 5 intervals (hard)
What is this crap? I don’t need any stinking points to tell me how my training is going. I have hard days, I have easy days and I have rest days. I think the best way to guage my training is when I race. If I do good, I have trained well, if not … well better start hitting it. I certainly would not sit and think "damn if I would have had had 10 more points on the bike three weeks ago …" IMHO, I think you guys might be slaves to the training log. Todd Gerlach p.s. I do keep a training log which includes distance, place, and how I felt. That’s all I really need, everything else is just fluff.
: : : I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". : : : 1mi Run = 1 pt : : 4mi Bike = 1 pt : : .25mi swim = 1 pt : : points workout : : 8 race : 8 hill repeats (hard) : 6 hill repeats (moderate) : 5 intervals (hard) : : What is this crap? I don’t need any stinking points to tell me how my training : is going. I have hard days, I have easy days and I have rest days. I think : the best way to guage my training is when I race. If I do good, I have trained : well, if not … well better start hitting it. I certainly would not sit and : think "damn if I would have had had 10 more points on the bike three weeks : ago …" IMHO, I think you guys might be slaves to the training log. : Todd Gerlach : p.s. I do keep a training log which includes distance, place, and how I felt. : That’s all I really need, everything else is just fluff. Gee, Todd, you’re just my hero! Different things work for different people. No need to be a jerk about it. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
: : stuff deleted : : I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". : : 1mi Run = 1 pt : 4mi Bike = 1 pt : .25mi swim = 1 pt : : Hmm. Very interesting concept. I worked out something similar for an article I was writing for a scientific journal on triathlon training. I came up with the following formula based on energy expenditure per kilometer for each event: 1k run = 1 point 4k bike = 1 point 0.4k swim = 1 point Where did you come up with your figures from? David Rowbottom University of Western Australia
I’ve read in a number of books recently that it’s vital to keep a daily log of your training. This sounds like a good idea, but how many of you really keep one? If I were to start keeping a log what kind of information should I be recording, apart from the obvious stuff on distances and times? Thanks in advance, Alun Evans University of British Columbia
: I’ve read in a number of books recently that it’s vital to keep a : daily log of your training. This sounds like a good idea, but how : many of you really keep one? If I were to start keeping a log what : kind of information should I be recording, apart from the obvious : stuff on distances and times? A VERY good idea, IMO. It allows me to organize my training and to monitor my progress. When something goes wrong (injury or a poor performance), reviewing my log can often tell me why. It is also essential for figuring out what works well. Training is a very individual thing. You can’t develop a good program if you haven’t kept track of what works and what doesn’t work for you. BTW, I don’t keep track of distances anymore. I keep track of time. After all, a five mile climb is not the same thing as a 5 mile descent. I also don’t keep track of times for a known distance for my easy workouts. When I did that, I always worked too hard. It’s easy to get sucked into trying to produce a macho training log. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
writes: I’ve read in a number of books recently that it’s vital to keep a daily log of your training. This sounds like a good idea, but how many of you really keep one?
I’ve been keeping one for the 6 years that I’ve raced. I’ve developed several techniques over the years. Originally, I used pen and paper, then created some of my own software. I’m back to pen and paper this year. Since I’ve been training for IMC, the writing about my workouts have been a good release to get the last workout over and prepare for the next. Daily: I write – weight, hrs of sleep, morning pulse – workout time, estimated distance – general comments (weather, energy level, etc…) Weekly: Totals of – training hours by sport by intensity (3 intensity levels) - comments on races, goals preparation for next week 4 Week Periods: Same as weekly It can be difficult, but it’s very therapeutic for me. In addition, it’s nice to be able to go back to see last week, last year’s race, what I did a specific date in previous years. Also, I’ve looked at the ATHLETE’S DIARY. I thought it was pretty nice, but I’m stuck on hand writing (for now!).
I highly recommend THE ATHLETE’S DIARY There is a demo version available on most on-line systems, which is fully functional – the only limitation is you can only make 25 entries into the database. But that’s more than enough to let you see if you like the program. Dave
I’ve read in a number of books recently that it’s vital to keep a daily log of your training. This sounds like a good idea, but how many of you really keep one? If I were to start keeping a log what kind of information should I be recording, apart from the obvious stuff on distances and times?
My log keeps: workout: Time, distance, description, pre-weight, post-weight. weekly totals: distances, times, "aerobic points" I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". 1mi Run = 1 pt 4mi Bike = 1 pt .25mi swim = 1 pt I have weekly data back to 1987. — LSC (aka Larry Chapman) (303) 229-3117
stuff deleted I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". 1mi Run = 1 pt 4mi Bike = 1 pt .25mi swim = 1 pt
Hmm. Very interesting concept.
| I highly recommend THE ATHLETE’S DIARY Does anybody know where to get the demo version of TAD for dos (via ftp)? At home I have only a 286, which would become usefull again. thanx for answering Oliver. —
I’ve read in a number of books recently that it’s vital to keep a daily log of your training. This sounds like a good idea, but how many of you really keep one? If I were to start keeping a log what kind of information should I be recording, apart from the obvious stuff on distances and times?
I’ve been keeping some form of log for the past two years. Originally, it was a Lotus spreadsheet file, now I use The Athlete’s Diary for Windows. Making entries on a PC is relatively simple, and more importantly, those entries can be analyzed by graphs, etc. to determine trends, totals and seasonal variations. If you do not own a PC, specific triathlon training log books can be purchased at most running and cycling stores. I think that every diary entry should include comments on how you felt during the workout, average HR, routes and so on, to increase its usefulness. Arran K. Timms Internet: Peterborough, ON Phone/fax: K9J 7B8 (705) 876-6643
: I keep aerobic points to watch weekly "effort". : 1mi Run = 1 pt : 4mi Bike = 1 pt : .25mi swim = 1 pt I started using a points system to keep track of my hard workouts this year. I assign point values to different workouts depending on the stress level. For example, for bike workouts: points workout 8 race 8 hill repeats (hard) 6 hill repeats (moderate) 5 intervals (hard) and so on. I also assign points to long endurance rides: number of full hours minus 1. Shorter easy rides get no points. A day of not riding gets -1. A day with easy spinning on the rollers gets -2. I then total the points for each week. This system is kind of complicated, but it allows me to monitor my program fairly accurately. It also enforces good training practices. I build my effort gradually by allowing myself a specific number of points each week. I also use the system to taper before my most important races. So far, I’m racing faster than ever and I haven’t been injured or overtrained (both firsts for me). Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
Yikes! In two weeks I’ll be competing in my third triathlon, but it will include an 1/2 mile ocean swim. I’ve done a 1/2 mile swim before in a lake, but I’ve never done an ocean swim. I’ll get to practice once in the ocean before the race. Any tips? It’s the Sandman Triathlon in Aptos – any hints from those who have done it before? Marilyn
I did a sandman once in Jax, Fla.! The key is getting out past the waves and staying out there! The one I did you start on the beach and then swim out past the breaking waves to a buoy and then swim up the beach to the second buoy and then ride the waves back to shore. The hard part comes when you accidentaly veer into the waves and get pushed to shore before rounding the second buoy. So keep an eye on that buoy, stay out there and swim hard!
Yikes! In two weeks I’ll be competing in my third triathlon, but it will include an 1/2 mile ocean swim. I’ve done a 1/2 mile swim before in a lake, but I’ve never done an ocean swim. I’ll get to practice once in the ocean before the race. Any tips? It’s the Sandman Triathlon in Aptos – any hints from those who have done it before? Marilyn
Marilyn, Yeah, get used to that wetsuit. And the ocean critters might scare you as well. One ocean swim is a must before you do the real one. There are currents, and the water is like ice. Good luck, as you can tell, I am not much of a swimmer…my least favorite part, especially in the COLD ocean!! Cheers, Linda