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What is the miniumum distance that one would consider using a wetsuit given the longer transition time?  I am a strong swimmer and have a 1/2 mile race coming up, I can’t figure out whether that is too short to use it. Any thoughts? Thanks Scott

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Scott, I’m also a pretty good swimmer and I’ve found that a wetsuit gives me ~:45 difference in a half mile, ~1:30 or so in the mile.  You should be able to rip the wetsuit off in 10-20 seconds (pull your arms out on the run up, then step out of the legs at your bike rack).  Practice it a couple times, spray pam on your ankles before putting on the wetsuit.  So you shed some time.  The reasons not to would be if the water is too hot or the run up to T1 is too long, like 4-5 minutes, those wetsuits are heavy.  I used to scoff at wetsuits until people I beat in practice beat me out of the water in a triathlon…good luck Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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What is the miniumum distance that one would consider using a wetsuit given the longer transition time?  I am a strong swimmer and have a 1/2 mile race coming up, I can’t figure out whether that is too short to use it. Any thoughts? Thanks Scott

For anything shorter than a 1/2 mile swim I wouldn’t even consider it. For a mile use it.  The half mile is the dividing line and I have always decided on race morning based on conditions. If the air temp is a bit nippy, possibly wear it. If all of the athletes of similar ability are wearing theirs, probably wear it. If the water is chilly, wear it. If it is an ocean swim and there are lots of stinging jelly fish, definitely wear it!  Otherwise it isn’t worth it. You might want to try timing yourself in a pool for say a 500 with the wetsuit and immediately jump out and take it off, then stop the clock. Compare your total time to your 500 without wearing one. I have found that in the pool I do just about the same time with a wetsuit as without and I lose up to 30 seconds taking it off!  However it does help keep your legs fresh so you need to take that into consideration. Wish they would just set up a rule where if the temperature is above say 68 degrees you can’t put on your wetsuit till after the start gun goes off.  Then those who REALLY feel the need to wear one cuz of safety concerns could spend race time putting it on!  They definitely help weaker swimmers more than stronger ones so this practice could solve that! Good luck, -hug Before you buy.

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Wish they would just set up a rule where if the temperature is above say 68 degrees you can’t put on your wetsuit till after the start gun goes off.

68 degrees,,,,, 68 DEGREES !!!!!! where in the arctic tundra do you swim ? No no no I say 78 degrees is low enough and anything under 75 degrees is simply unbearable. alk (in Miami where the surf temp never, ever gets below 72) Al Kormesser

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Not enough data – HOW COLD IS THE WATER???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the miniumum distance that one would consider using a wetsuit given the longer transition time?  I am a strong swimmer and have a 1/2 mile race coming up, I can’t figure out whether that is too short to use it. Any thoughts? Thanks Scott

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Good point, thanks, It is lake water so temperature willl not be a factor. My guess is mid to upper 70s. Thanks

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68 degrees,,,,, 68 DEGREES !!!!!! where in the arctic tundra do you swim ? No no no I say 78 degrees is low enough and anything under 75 degrees is simply unbearable. alk (in Miami where the surf temp never, ever gets below 72) Al Kormesser

Al, you’re spoiled down there in Miami!  The USAT age group temparature cut off for wetsuits used to be 72 and that is in line with the ITU rules.  78 is WAY too warm to be wearing a wetsuit, particularly a long sleeved one!  That being said, I often train in 86-87 degree water so when I have to race in water in the 70s it does feel chilly.  However the body warms up really quickly when you are racing!  And in the early summer swim season skinny little kids with no body fat are training in pools where the water temp is well below 80 degrees, so I don’t see why adults should have a problem completing a 1/2m swim in 70 degrees without a full body rubber flotation device! One of the best things about turning pro has been that temp cutoff is lower.  In fact the XTerra races have a limit of 68 and the race in Cleveland 2 weeks ago banned wetsuits with the water temp being 70. No problem! -hug(who keeps well insulated as a result of daily consumption of large doses of chocolate) Before you buy.

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68 degrees,,,,, 68 DEGREES !!!!!! where in the arctic tundra do you swim ? No no no I say 78 degrees is low enough and anything under 75 degrees is simply unbearable. alk (in Miami where the surf temp never, ever gets below 72) Al Kormesser

Oh, man! It rarely gets over 70 at the height of summer here in Santa Barbara — *Southern* California, I’ll point out. When I was just an ocean swimmer, with triathlon as a sideline, I didn’t *own* a wetsuit, and swam down to about 60. (Below that, no, I had to exercise my common sense.) To me (who is always hypothermic) anything above 70 feels fine (sans wetsuit) for just about any duration of swim. Yep, I shiver when I get out, but not until then. Andrew

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68 degrees,,,,, 68 DEGREES !!!!!! where in the arctic tundra do you swim ? No no no I say 78 degrees is low enough and anything under 75 degrees is simply unbearable.

Come to Lake Erie in May, or June or early July for that matter. Rock’n'Roll Tri – 16 July 70 degrees.

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Just did a triathlon with a 1/2 mile swim and had a minimal transition time with a short john and LOADS of bodyglide.  Got drilled in the face with a foot at the start which knocked me almost out…Thank goodness for the wetsuit to keep me afloat!

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ocean swimmer, with triathlon as a sideline, I didn’t *own* a wetsuit, and swam down to about 60. (Below that, no, I had to exercise my common sense.)

Lake Erie felt OK at 54 without a wetsuit once, AFTER warming up for a few hundred yards.

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What is the miniumum distance that one would consider using a wetsuit given the longer transition time?  I am a strong swimmer and have a 1/2 mile race coming up, I can’t figure out whether that is too short to use it. Any thoughts? Thanks Scott

I use a wetsuit whenever allowed…….EXCEPT when the water is over 85 or so…….at taht temp it will get very uncomfortable even during a sprint swim……. cheers sam www.sambean.com  –

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I understand Tri Baby and several others use these products for long distance nutrition.  I’m doing my first 1/2 IM this Sept and am curious how you set your bottles up during a race. What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2? Do you ever combine Cyto with Metabolol? I have not had any hydration related problems in my two years of racing.  I’ve mainly stuck with Gatorade, Cytomax or Race Day and seem to adapt to each well.  Have also been eating pretzels during my bike training.  Would like some input from experienced distance racers.  Thanx, Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2?

qrman makes a practical suggestion: Fill a bottle with a very condensed solution of whatever, ask for bottles water frequently and add a bit of your own stuff to it, resulting in a cold drink all the time. Ruth Kazez

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I understand Tri Baby and several others use these products for long distance nutrition.  I’m doing my first 1/2 IM this Sept and am

curious how you set your bottles up during a race. What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2? Do you ever combine Cyto with Metabolol?

I coach (in another sport) an athlete who has twice qualified for IMH and is very good at 1/2 Ironman’s and she swears by Cytomax + Metabalol mixed together for races of that distance.  Unfortunately she hasn’t specified the concentration she uses — I assume it’s the concentration specified on the containers. JT Visit http://www.jt10000.com/ Cycling, Food and Stories I have not had any hydration related problems in my two

years of racing.  I’ve mainly stuck with Gatorade, Cytomax or Race Day and seem to adapt to each well. Have also been eating pretzels during my bike training.

Would like some input – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -from experienced distance racers.  Thanx, Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand Tri Baby and several others use these products for long distance nutrition.  I’m doing my first 1/2 IM this Sept and am curious how you set your bottles up during a race. What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2? Do you ever combine Cyto with Metabolol? I coach (in another sport) an athlete who has twice qualified for IMH and is very good at 1/2 Ironman’s and she swears by Cytomax + Metabalol mixed together for races of that distance.  Unfortunately she hasn’t specified the concentration she uses — I assume it’s the concentration specified on the containers.

I swear by it too!  Of course, I’ll never qualify for IMH, so that really doesn’t carry as much weight….  (I actually carry more weight—oh, never mind!)  ;) Anyway, in answer to the specific questions above: For a half IM:   Aero bottle filled with plain ol’ water.   One bike bottle full of Cytomax.   One bike bottle full of Metabolol Endurance. For a full IM:   Same as above, but at the special needs station I’ll have a frozen bottle of half-Cytomax, half-Metabolol Endurance.  One full scoop of each.  Stuff is great, really does the job.  If it’s gonna be a hot day, I’ll add a pinch of salt to the mix.  Does nothing for the taste, but it makes a big difference in terms of getting your electrolytes. Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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For 1/2 IM: Aero bottle with plain water Seat tube bottle (22oz) filled with 4 scoops metabolol endurance and 4 scoops cytomax – concentrated but very drinkable, and enough carbohydrates to last through the bike and into the run… Behind saddle bottles with water to refill aero bottle, replaced at aid stations as needed. Mark

I use the same cytomax/metabolol mix, sipping every 15 minutes, but also use normal strength cytomax in my aero bottle and saddle cages. I get water from aid stations. This is for 1/2 IM, and lasts the whole ride. For full have another bottle of mix in special needs bag. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Sorry folks, I’m not a triathlete but my wife is and along with checking in on the bike forums I always read this one … I’ve just started using Metabol on my long rides (4hr.) and have had really good success. I carry a bottle of Race Day and after two hours drink a full bottle of Metabol at full strength. That, along with Powergels … I seem to have lots of energy. My two cents

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For 1/2 IM: Aero bottle with plain water Seat tube bottle (22oz) filled with 4 scoops metabolol endurance and 4 scoops cytomax – concentrated but very drinkable, and enough carbohydrates to last through the bike and into the run… Behind saddle bottles with water to refill aero bottle, replaced at aid stations as needed. Mark I understand Tri Baby and several others use these products for long distance nutrition.  I’m doing my first 1/2 IM this Sept and am curious how you set your bottles up during a race. What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2? Do you ever combine Cyto with Metabolol? I have not had any hydration related problems in my two years of racing.  I’ve mainly stuck with Gatorade, Cytomax or Race Day and seem to adapt to each well.  Have also been eating pretzels during my bike training. Would like some input  from experienced distance racers. Thanx, Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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For 1/2 IM: Aero bottle with plain water Seat tube bottle (22oz) filled with 4 scoops metabolol endurance and 4 scoops cytomax – concentrated but very drinkable, and enough carbohydrates to last through the bike and into the run… Behind saddle bottles with water to refill aero bottle, replaced at aid stations as needed. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand Tri Baby and several others use these products for long distance nutrition.  I’m doing my first 1/2 IM this Sept and am curious how you set your bottles up during a race. What is your aero bottle filled with with? How many bottles do you usually carry for a 1/2? Do you ever combine Cyto with Metabolol? I have not had any hydration related problems in my two years of racing.  I’ve mainly stuck with Gatorade, Cytomax or Race Day and seem to adapt to each well.  Have also been eating pretzels during my bike training.   Would like some input  from experienced distance racers.   Thanx, Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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Can anyone offer any advice on bike sizes to me. I’m 5′7 with a 28 inside leg and always feel very stretched out on the bike so am about to change it. I’ve been advised against 600 or 650 wheels but did try a cannondale with 600’s which felt comfortable so am keeping an open mind. This will be my 1st season of triathlon’s and also want to use the bike for general riding at home and in the Alps. Any suggestions??

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Cervelo Eyre Tri. Polyvalent with a tri position: 78 angle, 650 wheels, which will avoid the stretching feeling. Moreover, very aero and nice looking. A friend has just got one and was telling me during our sunday ride he is better climbing (living in Nice: frequently riding in the south Alps at summertime) than with his previous Cannondale frame, with the advantage of the tri position on flat section. Hope this helps. Olivier Can anyone offer any advice on bike sizes to me. I’m 5′7 with a 28 inside leg and always feel very stretched out on the bike so am about to change it. I’ve been advised against 600 or 650 wheels but did try a cannondale with 600’s which felt comfortable so am keeping an open mind. This will be my 1st season of triathlon’s and also want to use the bike for general riding at home and in the Alps. Any suggestions??

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Can anyone offer any advice on bike sizes to me. I’m 5′7 with a 28 inside leg and always feel very stretched out on the bike so am about to change it. I’ve been advised against 600 or 650 wheels but did try a cannondale with 600’s which felt comfortable so am keeping an open mind. This will be my 1st season of triathlon’s and also want to use the bike for general riding at home and in the Alps. Any suggestions??

Roger I would recommend you visit a frame builder who is experienced with building Tri or TT frames. He will measure you up and work out the best geometry for you. This might be a bit more expensive that a stock bike but it will fit you perfectly. You can also discuss the good and bad points of wheel sizes and various componentry. Stuart Stebbings

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default Can anyone offer any advice on bike sizes to me. I’m 5′7 with a 28 inside leg and always feel very stretched out on the bike so am about to change it. I’ve been advised against 600 or 650 wheels but did try a cannondale with 600’s which felt comfortable so am keeping an open mind. This will be my 1st season of triathlon’s and also want to use the bike for general riding at home and in the Alps. Any suggestions??

I agree with Dan,  You would be an ideal candidate for 650c.  The 26" wheels allow for a number of benefits, ie climbing, wheel strength.   The QR line of 26" road geometry bikes would probably fit you great(?)     You have probably been victim of "we don’t sell any 26" wheeled bikes, so we strongly advise you to stay away from them" advice.     I have a 29" inseam and have never had a 700c wheeled bike that fit and performed like a 650c wheeled bike (for my sized frame, 50cm) My view Cam

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SNAFU!!!! And I am trying to get the word out! If you know anyone in the Seattle area that might not see this, please pass it along. In what could only happen to a new club, the first meeting of the Seattle Triathlon Club will be on Monday, 10/26 at 6:30 at the Downtown Seattle REI store, not on 10/15 like we advertised everywhere in the Seattle area. Our November meeting is confirmed for Thursday, November 19th, at 6:30 also at REI, as we origin ally planned. Formal meeting will start at 7:00, drop by early and BS with the rest of the folks. rob — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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Congrats on starting a new club. I wish your club luck. Since I just started doing triathlon this year, I only recently (June) joined the local club here in San Diego. It has been a great experience and I have met a lot of awesome people. It really brings the sport together and gives it a personality. It also brings people together for really good training sessions that breakup the monotony of training by yourself. Without the social side of the club, I would not have much of a social life either. Happy training. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNAFU!!!! And I am trying to get the word out! If you know anyone in the Seattle area that might not see this, please pass it along. In what could only happen to a new club, the first meeting of the Seattle Triathlon Club will be on Monday, 10/26 at 6:30 at the Downtown Seattle REI store, not on 10/15 like we advertised everywhere in the Seattle area. Our November meeting is confirmed for Thursday, November 19th, at 6:30 also at REI, as we origin ally planned. Formal meeting will start at 7:00, drop by early and BS with the rest of the folks. rob — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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What angle on the bike is the seat angle???

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What angle on the bike is the seat angle???

Sal, My prefernce is absoulute level, seat parallel to the frame. I would suggest that this would be a good starting point to dial in what is most comfortable, and functioinal for you. I know many who like a slight tilt down when riding in the aero postion. Others, for comfort reasons, will adjust the seat slightly right or left. Good Training, Good Racing, Joe Joseph C. Foster "The Ironman, a race that’s cruel to your preparation, and doesn’t care about your dreams."

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It’s the angle between the seat tube and the top tube. The seat tube goes from where the seat post is inserted down to the where the cranks are mounted. The top tube goes from where the seat post is inserted to where the handlebar stem is inserted. The angle is measured assuming the top tube is level. If the top tube slopes, then the angle should be measured compared with a level line, such as a table top. Road bikes usually have a seat angle of 72-74 degrees. Triathlon-specific bikes (read my other post) typically have seat angles of 78 degrees. Sal, I suggest that you pause for a couple of days, and read all the responses to your questions. I think you are getting ahead of us. Sometimes it takes a day or two for the responses to your questions to appear. After two days, if you still have questions, ask away. What angle on the bike is the seat angle???

Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What angle on the bike is the seat angle??? Sal, My prefernce is absoulute level, seat parallel to the frame. I would suggest that this would be a good starting point to dial in what is most comfortable, and functioinal for you. I know many who like a slight tilt down when riding in the aero postion. Others, for comfort reasons, will adjust the seat slightly right or left. Good Training, Good Racing, Joe

Joe, I think you may have misinterpreted Sal’s question (unless that’s what I’m doing).  I think he’s asking what folks mean when they refer to the "seat tube angle" (i.e., 78 degrees on a tri bike). In answer to that question, it is the angle between the top tube (the one parallel to the ground) and the seat tube.  (Am I right here, Rick?) Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What angle on the bike is the seat angle??? Sal, My prefernce is absoulute level, seat parallel to the frame. I would suggest that this would be a good starting point to dial in what is most comfortable, and functioinal for you. I know many who like a slight tilt down when riding in the aero postion. Others, for comfort reasons, will adjust the seat slightly right or left. Good Training, Good Racing, Joe Joe, I think you may have misinterpreted Sal’s question (unless that’s what I’m doing).  I think he’s asking what folks mean when they refer to the "seat tube angle" (i.e., 78 degrees on a tri bike). In answer to that question, it is the angle between the top tube (the one parallel to the ground) and the seat tube.  (Am I right here, Rick?) Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie

HELLO! On re-read, I think you might be right! Where was my mind? Oh, yes, chlorinated! Good to see your posts, Tricia. Joe Joseph C. Foster "The Ironman, a race that’s cruel to your preparation, and doesn’t care about your dreams."

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        I have decided I want to do this race, but I haven’t a clue when it is. The website was no help, and Deja News was no better. Does anyone know? Thanks for any help David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55.59 and I’m confirmed for 1998 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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        I have decided I want to do this race, but I haven’t a clue when it is. The website was no help, and Deja News was no better. Does anyone know? Thanks for any help

FeBoy, are you gnuts??  You’re already registered for IMC ‘98, are you not?  IMC will be on August 30th.  IMG is usually held in mid-July, which will give you approximately just 6 weeks to recover between the two.  And don’t forget, we have a date to go climb a mountain after we finish the marathon at IMC, so I don’t want you copping out with an "Oh, sorry, I’m too tired from having done Germany last month." !!!!! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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        I guess I am just a sucker for punishment. I studied in Germany in May and June this summer, had a ridiculously good time, and I want to get back next summer for a spell. IMG sounds like a great way to ruin a relaxing vacation, and I’m all for it. As for recovery: I’m young and stupid, I’ll be fine. But thanks for your concern. But seriously, I traditonally recover pretty quickly and I don’t think 6 weeks will be a problem. And yes, I will climb a mountain after IMC, you can count on it. As far as cost: I have lots of friends to decend on in Germany, and I have 10 months to save my pfennigs for the flight. Dates anyone? David Barclay IMC 1997 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Climb a mountain? I thought I saw a touch of craziness in you Tricia. — "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96: 10:36:37 IMC’97: 10:42:53 ‘98 Gulf Coast Tri, IMC’98

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: FeBoy, are you gnuts??  You’re already registered for IMC ‘98, are you : not?  IMC will be on August 30th.  IMG is usually held in mid-July, which : will give you approximately just 6 weeks to recover between the two.  And : don’t forget, we have a date to go climb a mountain after we finish the : marathon at IMC, so I don’t want you copping out with an "Oh, sorry, I’m : too tired from having done Germany last month." It needs to be said. Tricia Richter, if you want to be an ironman, after your marathon, go climb a mountain! Run David Barclay, run like the wind… — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Persist, Persevere, Deny, Pursue, Pain, Survive, Ignore, Endure, Strive, Laugh, Cry, Live, Prevail, Scream, Sweat, Bleed, Sustain, Learn, Ascend, Give, Get, GO!   334 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘98

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King LouieI, (love your username, my lord) I agree with your post and happy to see it has worked for you for sometime.  I’ve also noticed that it is more beneficial to mix your workouts together, after doing a sprint tri every week with a training class.  After a swim,I started biking to trail run areas, do the run,then bike back.  Do you do your intervals for all on the same day? I notice the next day I need to rest.  What about strength training? Sometimes the next day I just don’t have the energy or feel sore. Any suggestions where this would fit in would be appreciated. Thanks, Lee

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(WAVESPEED) writes: Schedule A. is my typical training schedule, alternating bike and run training days.  On occasion I have read in tri-publications that some triathletes will do a run and a  bike workout on the same day(not a brick workout) and rest their legs fully the next day,  in my case schedule B would be an example.  I would like to hear from individuals who has PERSONALLY TRIED BOTH methods.  Which method did you think worked better for you?  Any assistance would be appreciated. Schedule A Mon     Tue         W ed     Thu      Fri       Sat             Sun swim                  swim                 swim           bike                      bike*                bike long                          run*                   run                     run long Schedule B Mon     Tue         W ed     Thu      Fri       Sat             Sun swim                  swim                 swim           bike                     bike*                 bike long           run*                      run                                  run long * denotes speed workout just prior to racing season otherwise aerobic swim is with a masters swim program Alex

Scedual A is Great if you are planning to only run and bike 3 days a week. If you plan on doing more sessions of each sport you will ultimately have to bike and run on the same day at some point. For 10 years I have tried to follow a scedual like A and when I wanted to run and bike 4 or 5 times a week I was fustrated at having to fuss with which day I would do the run and bike the same day. Last year I decided to try a secdual B type plan. I figured runners run every day, bikers bike every day, and swimmers swim every day. Also each of these sports demand double workouts. I ran double workouts on the college  track team and did double workouts for a colledge swim team when I transfered. So I figured every other sport does what it does on a daily basis why not a triathlon every day.  I would run in the morning then bike in the after noon then swim in the evening. I never had to wory about if it was a bike day or run day or if i missed a ride when would i have to double up the bike and run. I could just train and not worry about the scedualling of things. A hard run would be followed by an easy bike etc.  I would do this every day until my morning heart rate was elevated too high then take a day off. Some times only three days of training and I would need a day but I went as many as nine days without a day off. Unfortunately I didn’ get to race last due to a car hitting me on my bike.(I should have taken that day off) But I felt great. I had been following the training program of Dr Maffetone, and had gotten two minutes per mile faster on the run and about 4 mph faster on the bike at an arobic level so I know I was improving. I hope to train this way again as soon as I can run  every day. Good luck and give it a tri. Just make sure you back off when your body needs to. Louis Pelissier

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Schedule A. is my typical training schedule, alternating bike and run training days.  On occasion I have read in tri-publications that some triathletes will do a run and a  bike workout on the same day(not a brick workout) and rest their legs fully the next day,  in my case schedule B would be an example.  I would like to hear from individuals who has PERSONALLY TRIED BOTH methods.  Which method did you think worked better for you?  Any assistance would be appreciated. Schedule A Mon     Tue         W ed     Thu      Fri       Sat             Sun swim                  swim                 swim            bike                      bike*                bike long                           run*                   run                        run long Schedule B Mon     Tue         W ed     Thu      Fri       Sat             Sun swim                  swim                 swim            bike                     bike*                 bike long            run*                      run                                     run long * denotes speed workout just prior to racing season otherwise aerobic swim is with a masters swim program Alex

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I sincerely apologize to this group for the inappropriate posting  yesterday. I was very excited about the shared information and errored in thinking all would welcome it. I do NOT sell the product.   rere is something I hope the group can use: .I am not an expert on these matters, but an old friend of mine has just sent me some very interesting information about what has been going on. He has been working down in Texas with a company that has just produced

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I sincerely apologize to this group for the inappropriate posting  yesterday. I was very excited about the shared information and errored in thinking all would welcome it. I do NOT sell the product.   rere is something I hope the group can use:

.I am not an expert on these matters, but an old friend of mine has just – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sent me some very interesting information about what has been going on. He has been working down in Texas with a company that has just produced

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| | I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY WITH ALL THESE "NET POLICE"!!!!!! | | This posting was 100% ok! | | Would the people who feel it is their duty to flame any posting that just | might have something to do with commercial ventures PLEASE STOP!?!?!? | | This posting never tried to sell anybody anything.  Even if it did the | internet is open to this kind of thing.  Deal with it. | | If we, in rec.sport.triathlon, want to create a "bylaw" that discourages | "posting for money" then we can do that.  Until then people are free to | post what they want. The original post, as well as the apology was posted to several groups. So it doesn’t necessarily follow that anyone who reads this group got on John’s case. — Ontario Telepresence Project, 2670 Queensview Dr., Ottawa, ON, K2B 8K1, CANADA

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Is there anybody out there knowing of some good computer programmes for planing training, and diets. Please let me know where to find it. Thanx! Yours Steinar. | Please feel free to mail me your opinion, I may not agree but anyway…. |

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Is there anybody out there knowing of some good computer programmes for planing training, and diets. Please let me know where to find it.

There is a windows/mac version of PC Coach which schedules your training with coaches input… so far for marathons– and 10 k Arturo Barrios and uta pippig marathon training they are working on biking, running and triathlon for this year… Biometrics PC Coach 800-52 COACH They are in Colorado kathy — <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<K.S. Gorenz Illinois Valley Community College 815 N. Orlando Smith Rd. Oglesby, IL 61348-9691

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RE: WORLD TRI CHAMPS (Manchester) Could some kind soul please post results a.s.a.p., and as deep as poss.? First thirty places in men’s field would be GREAT, even if just surnames and country abbreviation.

From this morning’s paper (The Independent): Men’s Race 1.  Spencer Smith (GB)  1h 51m 20s 2.  Simon Lessing (GB)  1h 53m 2s 3.  H Carter (NZ)  1h 53m 29s 4.  B Bevan (Aus)  1h 53m 55s 5.  B Bright (Aus)  1h 54m 20s Women’s Race 1.  Michellie Jones (Aus)  2h 7m 41s 2.  Karen Smyers (US)  2h 7m 43s 3.  J-A Ritchie (Can)  2h 8m 46s 4.  S Krolik (Ger)  2h 9m 21s 5.  S Nielson (Den)  2h 9m 26s

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, RE: WORLD TRI CHAMPS (Manchester) Could some kind soul please post results a.s.a.p., and as deep as poss.? First thirty places in men’s field would be GREAT, even if just surnames and country abbreviation. Thank you very very very much! Waiting with bated breath…. Frith —

Very brief results – I was massaging in the finish area so didn’t see the race Men 1.Spencer Smith (GBR)     2.Simon Lessing (GBR) Women 1.Michellie Jones (AUS)         2.Karen Smyers (USA) Junior Women 1.Sarah Harrow (NZ)  The Junior Women Race was dominated by the NZ women Major crashes affected the Junior Men’s race These are results as told to me by the atletes themselves , mainly the NZ’ers so they may have been telling stories Darren —

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Hi, RE: WORLD TRI CHAMPS (Manchester) Could some kind soul please post results a.s.a.p., and as deep as poss.? First thirty places in men’s field would be GREAT, even if just surnames and country abbreviation.

Joke, right? Men 1.Spencer Smith (GBR)    2.Simon Lessing (GBR) Women 1.Michellie Jones (AUS)        2.Karen Smyers (USA) Junior Women 1.Sarah Harrow (NZ) The Junior Women Race was dominated by the NZ women Major crashes affected the Junior Men’s race These are results as told to me by the atletes themselves , mainly the NZ’ers so they may have been telling stories

I was timekeeping, so I can’t expand on the results. (I was on a transition, not at the finish). However, I do know that a New Zealander was third in the mens’, Spencer was lucky to not be permanently DQ’d (he threw his helmet away as he entered the bike-run transition) and it looks like the British mens’ team was first (there were a few more Brits, Robin Brew included, following on not far behind). Looks like Britain has stamped itself on the Triathlon map of the world again. The bike course was technical at the beginning – lots of tricky turns and fast small ascents and descents. That’s where the crash took place that Darren mentioned above. The last 19 miles was just a speedy hack into Manchester city centre. It’s a shame that the promotors only had 5 months to organise – NZ knew they would be organising next years before the BTA were handed the job this year! Will it successfully raise the profile of triathlon in Britain so we can close a few more roads? Mark

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Hi, RE: WORLD TRI CHAMPS (Manchester) Could some kind soul please post results a.s.a.p., and as deep as poss.? First thirty places in men’s field would be GREAT, even if just surnames and country abbreviation. Thank you very very very much! Waiting with bated breath…. Frith — Department of Plant Science Level 2   Phone:   +64 06 356 9099 ext. 8800 Massey University                     Fax:     +64 06 350 5614 Palmerston North                       New Zealand                :-) Ride the bike, ride the bike, ride the bike

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