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August And… superintendents should be… superindendents’ I need to correct that … some of you know I am an elementary school principal <g. Bob <http://www.sd46.bc.ca/schools/cedargrove

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Any other RSG interest in getting together in our part of the woods that weekend?

If you guys do manage to get that together for that weekend, let me know…our branch in Burnaby’s been rather vocal about the state of their computers, and if I can drill that through me boss’s brain, I might be able to swing a trip out there.  And, actually, after checking WestJet…god, it’s only three hundred bucks and change in airfare, and that’s money I’d have spent at the bar anyway.  Organize, lads. Oh, and Bob – I had *no* idea you were a principal and Stew was a Superindendant…probably would have behaved myself! Todd – ah, who am I kidding Prof. Rev. Todd "Runyan" McGillivray, Esq. http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me?  tmcg at sasktel dot net. "Even the Mona Lisa’s fallin’ apart." – Fight Club

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Thanks to Rick Rider for making the arrangements, Judy and I played at Merriweather Golf Club in the Portland area on Saturday. We were there because Stewart (RSGNW participant) and I were attending a conference during the week and Judy and Carol (Stew’s wife) came along for the hotel rest, the shopping and a possible round of golf. Because the round was only "possible" – depending on timing and weather, we corresponded only with Rick and did not try for a mini-RSG. I was also aware of the July 12 outing and wished that this trip would have coincided with that one. Rick booked us on the South/West combination and I shot a 40 on the South course. I won’t report Stew’s score, but suffice to say that I beat him for the first time this year on 9. Judy shot a 47 and she was very excited about her score. On this front nine, I had 3 pars, two birdies (8 and 9) and a triple (number 4 where I lost a ball). I would describe the South course as rugged… the fairways were narrow, with dried out regions on both sides. The rough was long wispy grass and a ball could easily roll under some of the dried cuttings. Some reconstruction work was being done and that made it important to be accurate off the tee. The greens were unbelievably soft. A high shot in to the green would stick. Though it was a very damp day, the greens seemed dry (despite the softness) and were fast. There was not a lot of difficulty with the greens vis a vis slope, but there were choppy parts due to what appeared to be grounds work and some disease (??).   The West course was our back nine and it was in much better condition and shared the soft green characteristic. I shot a 44 on this nine with another lost ball (though I only doubled the hole), two pars and a single birdie. We found the facilities in the clubhouse to be very comfortable and the burgers for lunch were excellent – as was the local beer. We met Rick after the round and shared some conversation about the course and its history. Rick is a great host. All four of us agreed that we would not hesitate to visit this course again on a future visit. Cost – $31 (prime weekend tee time). Cheers… Bob

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Meriwether is the only course I know where you can lose your ball on the fairway.  Those dry cuttings you saw, are often left in clumps on the fairways in the spring and fall. Too bad you didn’t get a chance to play the North course.  The north/west is the best combination out there.  You’ll have to make another trip. -David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to Rick Rider for making the arrangements, Judy and I played at Merriweather Golf Club in the Portland area on Saturday. We were there because Stewart (RSGNW participant) and I were attending a conference during the week and Judy and Carol (Stew’s wife) came along for the hotel rest, the shopping and a possible round of golf. Rick booked us on the South/West combination and I shot a 40 on the South course. I won’t report Stew’s score, but suffice to say that I beat him for the first time this year on 9. Judy shot a 47 and she was very excited about her score. On this front nine, I had 3 pars, two birdies (8 and 9) and a triple (number 4 where I lost a ball). I would describe the South course as rugged… the fairways were narrow, with dried out regions on both sides. The rough was long wispy grass and a ball could easily roll under some of the dried cuttings. Some reconstruction work was being done and that made it important to be accurate off the tee. The greens were unbelievably soft. A high shot in to the green would stick. Though it was a very damp day, the greens seemed dry (despite the softness) and were fast. There was not a lot of difficulty with the greens vis a vis slope, but there were choppy parts due to what appeared to be grounds work and some disease (??).   The West course was our back nine and it was in much better condition and shared the soft green characteristic. I shot a 44 on this nine with another lost ball (though I only doubled the hole), two pars and a single birdie.

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I do remember losing a ball in the middle of the fairway at Meriwether when I first started playing, due to grass clumps.  That was about 4 years ago and I hoped that it was just a one time problem. Part of the course was washed out by some flooding a couple of years ago so they are having to work on fixing the problem and finding a way to prevent damage in the future.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Meriwether is the only course I know where you can lose your ball on the fairway.  Those dry cuttings you saw, are often left in clumps on the fairways in the spring and fall. Too bad you didn’t get a chance to play the North course.  The north/west is the best combination out there.  You’ll have to make another trip. -David

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Thanks to Rick Rider for making the arrangements, Judy and I played at Merriweather Golf Club in the Portland area on Saturday. We were there because Stewart (RSGNW participant) and I were attending a conference during the week and Judy and Carol (Stew’s wife) came along for the hotel rest, the shopping and a possible round of golf.

Nice round Bob.  Well done…esp on a new course. Glad you got to come down.  I won’t hold it against you for too long that we weren’t invited!  :-) P.S. How’s 2nd or 3rd weekend in August look for you for Bellingham or coming up to your neck of the woods for some golf?  Chip and I are starting to make plans.  When do you start getting ready for school? — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson

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P.S. How’s 2nd or 3rd weekend in August look for you for Bellingham or coming up to your neck of the woods for some golf?  Chip and I are starting to make plans.  When do you start getting ready for school?

The second weekend in Augusst would be ideal … that is the 8th, 9th and 10th. I have a tournament the following weekend and after that I’m committed to getting ready for the new school year. If Stew is around, he is keen to play… he may have a superintendents conference to attend that weekend though. I’d love it  if you folks wanted to travel the extra distance and enter a foreign country to play here on the beautiful Sunshine Coast. If it is Bellingham… that can work and we can travel down there. Any other RSG interest in getting together in our part of the woods that weekend? Bob

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Sunshine coast eh? Might be able to make my way over there for a day, where about on the coast? I’m in Comox so I’m guessing 2 ferries away unless your thinking Myrtle Point up in Powel River . Mmmmm Les Furber designed course….Mmmmm

Gibsons… Powell River to Egmont and down to Roberts Creek. Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P.S. How’s 2nd or 3rd weekend in August look for you for Bellingham or coming up to your neck of the woods for some golf?  Chip and I are starting to make plans.  When do you start getting ready for school? The second weekend in Augusst would be ideal … that is the 8th, 9th and 10th. I have a tournament the following weekend and after that I’m committed to getting ready for the new school year. If Stew is around, he is keen to play… he may have a superintendents conference to attend that weekend though. I’d love it  if you folks wanted to travel the extra distance and enter a foreign country to play here on the beautiful Sunshine Coast. If it is Bellingham… that can work and we can travel down there. Any other RSG interest in getting together in our part of the woods that weekend?

Sunshine coast eh? Might be able to make my way over there for a day, where about on the coast? I’m in Comox so I’m guessing 2 ferries away unless your thinking Myrtle Point up in Powel River . Mmmmm Les Furber designed course….Mmmmm Bob

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Oh, and Bob – I had *no* idea you were a principal and Stew was a Superindendant…probably would have behaved myself! Todd – ah, who am I kidding

LOL … we try to keep it quiet … whoops… I guess Usenet is not so quiet anymore. And… if you can get here, that would be great. Bob

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How far of a drive are you from Bellingham?  I’m assuming a ferry ride would be involved?  Would it be easier to come from Victoria via Port Angeles, WA?

About an hour from Bellingham to the ferry terminal in North Vancouver and then a 45 minute ferry ride to Gibsons. Port Angeles to Victoria would require a Victoria to Vancouver ferry ride, car to North Van and ferry again… so, the Bellingham to North Van is the best route. Bob

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The second weekend in Augusst would be ideal … that is the 8th, 9th and 10th. I have a tournament the following weekend and after that I’m committed to getting ready for the new school year.

I’m looking into it.  I’m not sure if Chip will be able to make it or not. He’s looking to start his world travels again at that time.  I will ask him tomorrow.  Kelly is running the Coeur d’Alene Ironman Triathlon on Sunday, start is at 7:00 a.m. PDT….please send her good thoughts and mucho positive energy.  Thanks! How far of a drive are you from Bellingham?  I’m assuming a ferry ride would be involved?  Would it be easier to come from Victoria via Port Angeles, WA? — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson

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My apologies if this shows up more than once. Several people have written me that they saw the report on the archives but didn’t see it in rec.running. It went through my ISP but one of the upstream Usenet hops evidently had a glitch so it may show up again next year. I’m trying it again since it has violence, physical and emotional damage, a technique for automatic saline intake, AND a happy ending. Event Name: Beaches Fine Arts Series #1Triathalon Time: 7:00 a.m. Distance: Sprint Triathalon Location: Hanna Park, Mayport, Florida, USA Host: Beaches Fine Arts Benefit: Beaches Fine Arts Course Layout:    Swim: Out, over, in – 440 yards (yeah, right)    Bike: Modified loop – 10 miles    Run: Out and back loop with lots of turns – supposed to be 3 miles Course Terrain:    Swim: Ocean – big time rough (4-6 foot waves) with heavy current    Bike: Neighborhood streets; flat    Run: Nature Park asphalt roads; flat Weather Conditions: 76F/24.4C at start 83F/28.3C at finish, sunny, near 100% humidity, light breeze except for the first half of the bike ride and then heavy head wind, ocean temp 79F/26.1C Sociological (Fashion, fighting, foolery, and food):    Fashion: Bunch of people standing around in their underwear before the start of the swim – everything from Speedos to shorty wet suits (they got penalty points). If there were coordinated outfits, I didn’t see them. The main fashion statement was the bike – the type, the amount of wear and tear, and several with subtle little IronMan stickers on them.    Fighting: Me and a novice swimmer; me and a metal rod security fence; a few foul words from a couple of people who had their bikes knocked over (I wasn’t involved in those <G).    Foolery: None that I saw.    Food: Ice cream, chocolate milk (double chocolate and low fat), fruit juices, we weren’t able to stay for the all of the post race activities (more on this later) so I missed the food they had for that. Personal Time: 1:25:25 PB Personal Place Overall (males): 396 out of 408 Personal Place Age Group (males): 12 out of 12 # of participants completing the course: 814 Winning Time: 44:27 Last Finisher: 1:56:05 Results URL: http://www.altavistasports.com/beaches051802.html Comments:    Now that it’s over, this was a great event – lots to think about. The chaos before the event is much different than the chaos before a running road race. Supposedly, spectators are not supposed to be in the transition area but … Some of the novices (and a few of the experienced people) didn’t get their bikes on the right rack (penalty points) which caused some areas to be very congested. My running buddy, Mike, did this event as his first triathalon and there were two extra bikes in his rack. Susan and I ended up on the same rack so we comingled equipment and it worked out pretty well. The registration area was still full at the scheduled start time so they postponed the start for about 20 minutes. Everyone finally made their way down to the beach to watch the waves come in. This area is not known for having great surfing conditions but these waves had the surfers drooling – huge waves breaking way out from the shore. The swimmers were not impressed. There were five start groups with each group starting 3 minutes after the one before. A local triathalete had been lost in a helicopter accident while serving in the US Navy near Afghanistan. The first start was for her – no one started when the first horn blew (it was a good memorial). One minute later, the ‘young’ men started. Most people started far south of the first buoy expecting strong currents. The first group misjudged badly and had to swim against the current to get back to the buoy. The next group (‘older’ men) started a little farther south and they had some trouble, too. The women started in the third group (my wife, Susan) a little farther south. By the time the fourth group (Athenas, Clydes, relays, handicapped, uniform) started, we were WAY south of the first buoy. We entered the water by running a bit, stopping, and bracing ourselves for the wave. we repeated this until we reached water that was deep enough to dive under the waves (the bottom was exposed in front of the waves for quite a distance). Even by bracing for the waves, an amazingly large number of people got knocked over. Everyone I talked to after the finish commented on having to gasp for breath long before they got to the first buoy – as did I. Most people opted for a lot of backstroke. Once we turned at the buoy, the current was our friend and we started making some speed. One guy came swimming up through the group, knocked a women under, and climbed over my back. I grabbed his ankle and held on. He asked what I was doing and I explained that he was endangering other swimmers. He wasn’t impressed until I told him that he could be disqualified if he didn’t go to the outside to swim like that. It may not be fair on my part but the threat of a DQ seemed to get his attention and he moved to the outside of the pack (yes, I was in a pack!). Coming in to shore was great. The waves made for some really good body surfing that also helped the speed. The transition to the bike was very smooth and I was ready to roll. I got a new road bike several weeks ago to replace the 20 year old clunker I had been using. The new one was day and night different. With the old one, I was lucky to cruise at 17-18 mph but the new one cruised at 22-24 mph. We started the bike segment in the trees but came out on to a wide road and into a stiff headwind. I was doing 20-21 mph and it was work. However, we turned around and I was able to pick it up to 24-26 and passed quite a few people (including Susan). Coming back into the park, the route wasn’t marked and everyone around me followed the red cones – wrong. A volunteer guided us to a cutover path to get back on the right track. At the second corner of the cutover, the road had quite a bit of moss on it that was still wet from the rains the night before. I had slowed to about 20 mph but that wasn’t slow enough. I locked up both wheels, released the front wheel, and lost it into the metal rod security fence. As I was falling, I knew I was either going to hit face first or head first. Since I had a helmet (and I’m so good looking), I chose head first. Crash and burn. Both calves locked up tighter than the brakes so after I made sure all important body parts worked I still couldn’t get up. While I was trying to relax the calves and get the bike off of me, I noticed a good sized knot on my right forearm – bigger than a golf ball but not quite as big as a baseball. Susan and several others that I had passed earlier came by and made sure I was OK. I wasn’t sure that my arm was broken since I still had grip and flexure but the knot was very impressive. I finally got back up, rethreaded the chain, bent the brakes back out, and took off. The new bike has officially been ‘broken’ in. (I found out later that over a dozen people had crashed at different points on the course.) The helmet was totalled but I only had a 1-inch purple place on my forehead. I pedaled one-armed (and still passed a few people) to T2 and took off on the run. I wasn’t able to try out Mike Tennent’s good advice about stretching the calves before coming into to T2 so they were both very tight. The good news is that it forced me to start the run very slowly. I totally gave up on form for the first 1/2 mile and worked on relaxing the calves. They behaved and I was able to slowly start picking up the pace and getting back into good form. At mile 1, the calves were fine and things started to feel ‘normal’ again – I love running. By mile 2, my pace was well under my usual 10 min/mile and I was starting to pass people. One youngster came sprinting past me in the last 50 yards but I didn’t have the gas to give him a challenge (next time). The run seemed to pass very quickly – almost too quickly. It was advertised as a 3 mile run but I ain’t buying it. Sure enough, nausea was waiting at the finish. I looked up a paramedic to check out my arm and he called the physician over. They both seemed impressed but tested my grip and flexure (deja vu) and decided that it was a simple haematoma that should go away in a few months. They also noticed another knot on my shin that was about the same size. The physician seemed more interested in my forehead but it didn’t even hurt. Yep, I’ve *been* in an athletic event. Of course, I also felt like I’d ‘been rode hard and put up wet.’ Susan was waiting for me with a dish of ice cream (what a woman). We met up with Sha and Mike (he did quite well) and talked for a while. Susan and I made our way to the awards ceremony area but decided not to stay. Last year, I did a 2:10:10 (official – 2:07:10 watch) with a different bike route (couldn’t go on the Mayport Naval Base this year). Knocking 40 minutes off of last year’s time is sweet! Lessee, the next sprint tri is June 15. Hmm, yep, the bike will be fixed and I bet I can do a better job (maybe not lose 4 minutes in a crash). Bring it on! Splits:    Swim: 15:56  T1: 4:33    Bike, crash, T2: 39:49    Run: 25:07 (No HR since the HRM bought it in the crash.) Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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My apologies if this shows up more than once. Several people have written me that they saw the report on the archives but didn’t see it in rec.running. It went through my ISP but one of the upstream Usenet hops evidently had a glitch so it may show up again next year. I’m trying it again since it has violence, physical and emotional damage, a technique for automatic saline intake, AND a happy ending.

<snip I’m glad you reposted Layne, I feel like I just read Grapes of Wrath and Marathon Man all in one!  What a monster you caught by the ankle when swimming (I couldn’t help hearing eenie meenie, minie mo in my head ….) and what a great recovery from your various potential disasters. Ironman next then …?

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Hi Layne, Thanks for posting again. I had gone to archives to read it also. Event Name: Beaches Fine Arts Series #1Triathalon    Swim: Ocean – big time rough (4-6 foot waves) with heavy current

oooh, that sounds exciting  (from someone who thinks our local indoor pool has currents) I got a new road bike several weeks ago to replace the 20 year old clunker I had been using.

Wow, sounds like you’ve been bitten by the tri bug As I was falling, I knew I was either going to hit face first or head first. Since I had a helmet (and I’m so good looking), I chose head first. Crash and burn.

Ouch! I pedaled one-armed (and still passed a few people) to T2 and took off on the run.

Way to go, Layne! I love running.

Nah, we couldn’t tell that Yep, I’ve *been* in an athletic event. Of course, I also felt like I’d ‘been rode hard and put up wet.’

And you enjoyed every minute of it  Knocking 40 minutes off of last year’s time is sweet!

Congratulations on finishing and a substantial improvement in time – and still being alive (I was going to say still being in one piece, but that sounds debatable Good luck in your next one! Dot

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Great report, as usual. Now you’ve officially joined the "other" of the two groups of triathletes. Those who have crashed in a race and those who haven’t. I’m glad it wan’t any worse than it was. Good on ya’ for grabbing the a**holes ankle in the swim. He was definitely endangering folks and needed to be set straight. And now that you’re running 5K’s at around 25, I expect you to stay up with me on the 4th of July. <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 65 days & counting

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Hi, Kay, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My apologies if this shows up more than once. Several people have written me that they saw the report on the archives but didn’t see it in rec.running. It went through my ISP but one of the upstream Usenet hops evidently had a glitch so it may show up again next year. I’m trying it again since it has violence, physical and emotional damage, a technique for automatic saline intake, AND a happy ending. <snip I’m glad you reposted Layne, I feel like I just read Grapes of Wrath and Marathon Man all in one!  What a monster you caught by the ankle when swimming (I couldn’t help hearing eenie meenie, minie mo in my head ….) and what a great recovery from your various potential disasters.

Dang Usenet gremlins. Yeah, he was a newbie and just needed to have it explained to him. I’ve needed the same thing so I was glad to pass it on. If I remember it right, I was thinking "Don’t overreact, don’t overreact." <G By the time we got to shore, I’d forgotten about him (until I replayed the event to write the report/log entry). Ironman next then …?

Hmmmm <G. In a couple of years, I may impose on Mike and Mike to talk about it. It’s nice to do a running event with a couple of cross training components thrown in. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Dot, Hi Layne, Thanks for posting again. I had gone to archives to read it also.

I’d grabbed it off my ISP for the archives thinking that it had gone out. Doh! Event Name: Beaches Fine Arts Series #1Triathalon    Swim: Ocean – big time rough (4-6 foot waves) with heavy current oooh, that sounds exciting  (from someone who thinks our local indoor pool has currents)

The current was great! I could feel it flowing past my legs faster than I was swimming (which tells you something about my swimming speed AND the current speed). The good thing was that I didn’t have to worry about ingesting saline for the bike or run since I’d swallowed so much salf water. I got a new road bike several weeks ago to replace the 20 year old clunker I had been using. Wow, sounds like you’ve been bitten by the tri bug

Shhh. You’re right. "Cross training helps one’s running." As I was falling, I knew I was either going to hit face first or head first. Since I had a helmet (and I’m so good looking), I chose head first. Crash and burn. Ouch!

LOL. Yep. The colors are very impressive – arms, forehead, shin, ankle. Maybe it’s a male thing but (since they don’t hurt) they’re kind of interesting. The bike shop folks were surprised that I didn’t have more damage since the bike handlebars were bent and the helmet is only marginal as a back up. They suggested a stronger helmet <G. I pedaled one-armed (and still passed a few people) to T2 and took off on the run. Way to go, Layne! I love running. Nah, we couldn’t tell that

LOL. Yep, I’ve *been* in an athletic event. Of course, I also felt like I’d ‘been rode hard and put up wet.’ And you enjoyed every minute of it

Yep. The feeling of accomplishment was nicer than anything I’ve done in a while. Knocking 40 minutes off of last year’s time is sweet! Congratulations on finishing and a substantial improvement in time – and still being alive (I was going to say still being in one piece, but that sounds debatable

Thank you! Now that I’ve survived a crash and was still able to run, I’m a little more confident about the next one. One interesting thing is that I did a 5+ mile trail run today in better time than I’ve ever done. I also did a (pool) swim and covered more distance in 27 minutes than I used to cover in 45. There really is something to be said for coming back stronger. Good luck in your next one!

Thanks! I’m already looking forward to it. But before then I have two 5Ks that had better watch out. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hi, Mike, Great report, as usual.

Thank you. Now you’ve officially joined the "other" of the two groups of triathletes. Those who have crashed in a race and those who haven’t. I’m glad it wan’t any worse than it was.

LOL. As I lay on the ground under my bike with two calves that were locked so tight I couldn’t move, I thought, "Now, what would Mike suggest here?" Then I realized that you probably wouldn’t be in that position and got tickled. Other than new handle bars and a new brake lever, the only mark on the bike was a small scuff on the rear hub. The bike repair folks wanted to know how that happened <G. Good on ya’ for grabbing the a**holes ankle in the swim. He was definitely endangering folks and needed to be set straight.

Ya know, sometimes the stereotype about redheads’ tempers has a grain of truth to it. When I saw the young woman come up sputtering, I started channelling Jaws. The boy obviously had talent but just needed a gentle hand to help him control it. Since there were no gentle hands around, I did my best. A woman friend asked if I would have done the same thing if the jerk had been a woman. Good question. I think so but who knows? And now that you’re running 5K’s at around 25, I expect you to stay up with me on the 4th of July. <g

LOL. Susan wrote the RD about the run distance and he said that there was a mix up and the run was only about 2.4 miles (he said they tacked a little extra mileage onto the bike route). Sooo, the only way I’ll keep up with you would be with the aforementioned concrete block tied to your ankle <G. You had mentioned to Mike that this was a competitive sprint tri for a regional. Man, you got that right. Even some of the local speedsters got waxed. You’re going to LOVE June’s tri. BTW, we have the guest room reserved for you, if you’d like. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Hmmmm <G. In a couple of years, I may impose on Mike and Mike to talk about it. It’s nice to do a running event with a couple of cross training components thrown in.

Mike C: Careful. It’s just a nibble at the bait. Don’t want to spook him…. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 65 days & counting

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The bike repair folks wanted to know how that happened.

Which I’m sure you dismissed with an air of casual indifference, "Oh, just a little mishap in my TRIATHLON…." <g <snip the run was only about 2.4 miles (he said they tacked a little extra mileage onto the bike route).

Aaaarrrgghhh. Oh, that REALLY makes sense.  And of course they mentioned it before the race…  Not. <At least they didn’t add it to the swim. You had mentioned to Mike that this was a competitive sprint tri for a regional. Man, you got that right. Even some of the local speedsters got waxed.

Yep. There’s no shame in being 12th out of 12 there. Been there, done that. You’re going to LOVE June’s tri. BTW, we have the guest room reserved for you, if you’d like.

I was hoping you’d say that. I’ll email ya’. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 64 days & counting

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The bike repair folks wanted to know how that happened. Which I’m sure you dismissed with an air of casual indifference, "Oh, just a little mishap in my TRIATHLON…." <g

Particularly since one of their bike speedster employees had problems with the run. He’s a nice guy and asked if I would talk to him about running (yes, I told him that I’d be glad to talk about how to run at the back of the pack). The bike folks also mentioned that there were more crashes than usual but only two required ambulances. (Rob, you’d be proud of the EMTs – they did a great job.) the run was only about 2.4 miles (he said they tacked a little extra mileage onto the bike route). Aaaarrrgghhh. Oh, that REALLY makes sense.  And of course they mentioned it before the race…  Not.

LOL. You’re right – it wasn’t mentioned. The non-runners were not too unhappy about it but I was surprised that I was a little disappointed. <At least they didn’t add it to the swim.

Man, say it loud! Of course, now that the event is several days passed, the swim wasn’t that bad. You had mentioned to Mike that this was a competitive sprint tri for a regional. Man, you got that right. Even some of the local speedsters got waxed. Yep. There’s no shame in being 12th out of 12 there. Been there, done that.

Believe me, I’m very happy with the result. Other than the crash, I felt more in control of this event than last year’s. Heck, I’d been happy with 408 out of 408. There was even a little competitive something that starting showing up. I passed a group on the bike and even a few on the run – and liked it! I passed a few people on the run who DNFed. One guy was just sitting on the side of the road at the sign that said 1 mile. I suggested that he walk it in but he responded with many, many bad words. You’re going to LOVE June’s tri. BTW, we have the guest room reserved for you, if you’d like. I was hoping you’d say that. I’ll email ya’.

We’ll do it. The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Just a thought – if the object inside the helmet was harder than the helmet, wouldn’t the helmet sustain more damage in an accident The bike shop folks were surprised that I didn’t have more damage since the bike handlebars were bent and the helmet is only marginal as a back up. They suggested a stronger helmet <G. Thanks, Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

– "There’s nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman."                                              Groundskeeper Willy, The Simpsons Regards, Dave

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Just a thought – if the object inside the helmet was harder than the helmet, wouldn’t the helmet sustain more damage in an accident

Bro, I’m afraid that you aren’t even the first Texan to suggest this. The worst part was the park attendant who (after she saw I really was OK) suggested that they might be sending me a bill for the fence repairs where my head hit. The second worst part is that I have no argument to offer against your observation <G. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I am a comfortable swimmer, not super speedy but I feel like I can just keep on going. Regardles of whether I hammer or not I always end up dizzy in T1, burning legs and heavy breathing for the first few miles of the bike before I settle into a good speed. </snip This may be irrelevant to your particular dizzyness, but I found that it was my lousy breathing technique during the swim that made me come out of the water dizzy. Constantly cranking my neck around to get my head out of the water every other stroke was scrambling my brains.  TI taught me to rotate my entire body while stroking/breathing (plus I’ve lowered my stroke rate significantly). Now I come out with elevated heart rate but clear headed. Cheers S. Austin hmm guess I need to work on technique over the winter.  At Buffalo Springs in June I had the unique experience of actually biffing it when I was being helped out of the water. It was the first time I’d ever tried to get up and go to the transition where my legs were still asleep (I joking told the volunteers that I hadn’t found my landlegs, but I’m sure they got a laugh regardless).  I was actually bilateral breathing for much of the swim though, so I don’t thing your experience was the same as mine. Of course it was my first ever 1/2 IM. Someone mentioned to me it was about your equilibrium and rocking motion if you’re not used to it, which is a fair statement. I’ve never had that happen to me in other swims less that this distance and I only did 1900 a few times before the race in pool swims (no ill effects then either).

The strange thing was that I felt fine at Buffalo Springs in my first 1/2 IM. I swam pretty much the whole way bilaterally and I had no ill effects. Admittedly it was my first wetsuit swim so I would think that helped, but the race on the weekend was a wetsuit race also, half the distance and I felt twice as messed up! Greg.

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I’m a fan of bilateral breathing *only* in training. Never in racing. I don’t think taking fewer breaths during a swim is beneficial while in races. Fewer breaths? So you are breathing on one side every time that arm leaves the water?

Yes, one side only. Every second stroke. Or do you only breathe one in four strokes?

No. I only do that for 50m sprints.  I can’t imagine needing so much air that a breath every third stroke on alternating sides wouldn’t do the job, except maybe near the end of a short distance sprint. Do you really breathe every other stroke on swims over 500m?

Yes, I do. My swimming coach in high school way back in the Jurassic Era found that every second stroke was ample enough to swim in. I tried bilateral breathing for 6 months exclusively when I first went into tris, but after being totally winded in a couple of races, decided to go back to the basic two stroke breathing pattern, with much better results. If you’re comfortable with bilateral breathing, that’s great. Keep it up. I’m offering hope to those people who have struggled with bilateral breathing in races that it’s really not necessary while racing. If they do switch back though, they have to make sure that they concentrate on "weak-side" and bilateral breathing during their training in order to keep their symmetry strong. Iron Pete "swimming more than half my life now. God I’m getting old " Priolo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I am a comfortable swimmer, not super speedy but I feel like I can just keep on going. Regardles of whether I hammer or not I always end up dizzy in T1, burning legs and heavy breathing for the first few miles of the bike before I settle into a good speed. </snip This may be irrelevant to your particular dizzyness, but I found that it was my lousy breathing technique during the swim that made me come out of the water dizzy. Constantly cranking my neck around to get my head out of the water every other stroke was scrambling my brains.  TI taught me to rotate my entire body while stroking/breathing (plus I’ve lowered my stroke rate significantly). Now I come out with elevated heart rate but clear headed. Cheers S. Austin

hmm guess I need to work on technique over the winter.  At Buffalo Springs in June I had the unique experience of actually biffing it when I was being helped out of the water. It was the first time I’d ever tried to get up and go to the transition where my legs were still asleep (I joking told the volunteers that I hadn’t found my landlegs, but I’m sure they got a laugh regardless).  I was actually bilateral breathing for much of the swim though, so I don’t thing your experience was the same as mine. Of course it was my first ever 1/2 IM.   Someone mentioned to me it was about your equilibrium and rocking motion if you’re not used to it, which is a fair statement. I’ve never had that happen to me in other swims less that this distance and I only did 1900 a few times before the race in pool swims (no ill effects then either). +remove NOSPAM to email

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I’ll keep that in mind. I breathe bi-laterally (sp?) so I may see if I switch to every other stroke if that helps. Thanks, Greg. I’m a fan of bilateral breathing *only* in training. Never in racing. I don’t think taking fewer breaths during a swim is beneficial while in races.

Fewer breaths? So you are breathing on one side every time that arm leaves the water? Or do you only breathe one in four strokes? I can’t imagine needing so much air that a breath every third stroke on alternating sides wouldn’t do the job, except maybe near the end of a short distance sprint. Do you really breathe every other stroke on swims over 500m? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However, it does to pay to know how to swim and breathe from both sides in case the conditions force you to breathe from your "weaker" side (waves, sun glare, etc.). Bilateral breathing does have its place in training though when working on symmetry and should be included in your workouts.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   | IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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I’ll keep that in mind. I breathe bi-laterally (sp?) so I may see if I switch to every other stroke if that helps. Thanks, Greg.

I’m a fan of bilateral breathing *only* in training. Never in racing. I don’t think taking fewer breaths during a swim is beneficial while in races. However, it does to pay to know how to swim and breathe from both sides in case the conditions force you to breathe from your "weaker" side (waves, sun glare, etc.). Bilateral breathing does have its place in training though when working on symmetry and should be included in your workouts.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Hi All, I have a question about strategy from the last few hundred metres of the swim, through T1, and into the first few miles of the bike. I am a comfortable swimmer, not super speedy but I feel like I can just keep on going. Regardles of whether I hammer or not I always end up dizzy in T1, burning legs and heavy breathing for the first few miles of the bike before I settle into a good speed. I have tried the following approaches in some sprint distance races: 1) Slow down a fair bit in the last part of the swim, walk/jog into T1, and go slowly through my routine and cruise into the bike. This gets me over my dizziness, funky legs, and breathing quicker but takes time. 2) Kicked a fair bit at the end of the swim to get the legs going, and jogged through T1 and out at a moderate pace. I didn’t notice any difference in my legs, still felt dizzy. 3) Frickin’ kicked like a fool at the end of the swim, ran up into T1, and tore arse out onto the bike course. This resulted in me feeling like crap longer into the bike and my breathing sounding like a walrus with a sinus problem, but my swim and T1 were quicker. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what works well for them. Otherwise I will continue with option 3 as it is really the most fun. Cheers, Greg.

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I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what works well for them. Otherwise I will continue with option 3 as it is really the most fun. Cheers, Greg.

I’ve learned to live with it. For me, most of this happens especially in a sprint triathlon when I have to explode out of T1 very quickly. The dizziness will subside after only a few minutes on the bike, but my "burning diaphram sensation" remains for about 5 miles into the bike portion of a sprint triathlon and it is quite uncomfortable. I would choose step 3, but without all the kicking at the end of the swim.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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<snip I am a comfortable swimmer, not super speedy but I feel like I can just keep on going. Regardles of whether I hammer or not I always end up dizzy in T1, burning legs and heavy breathing for the first few miles of the bike before I settle into a good speed.

</snip This may be irrelevant to your particular dizzyness, but I found that it was my lousy breathing technique during the swim that made me come out of the water dizzy. Constantly cranking my neck around to get my head out of the water every other stroke was scrambling my brains.  TI taught me to rotate my entire body while stroking/breathing (plus I’ve lowered my stroke rate significantly). Now I come out with elevated heart rate but clear headed. Cheers S. Austin

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I’ll keep that in mind. I breathe bi-laterally (sp?) so I may see if I switch to every other stroke if that helps. Thanks, Greg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I am a comfortable swimmer, not super speedy but I feel like I can just keep on going. Regardles of whether I hammer or not I always end up dizzy in T1, burning legs and heavy breathing for the first few miles of the bike before I settle into a good speed. </snip This may be irrelevant to your particular dizzyness, but I found that it was my lousy breathing technique during the swim that made me come out of the water dizzy. Constantly cranking my neck around to get my head out of the water every other stroke was scrambling my brains.  TI taught me to rotate my entire body while stroking/breathing (plus I’ve lowered my stroke rate significantly). Now I come out with elevated heart rate but clear headed. Cheers S. Austin

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Mine is dead on. I’ll reefer you to the post "Pot and running" — W. Vidrine wkvidrine/at/email.msn.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the date didn’t change until the middle of the day. I would have thought that it was just accidental button pushing but my daughter told me hers did the same thing about the same time. Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? Does it happen often? Just wondering, Mike

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<< I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. Loss of blocks of time is common in alien abduction cases.   If I were you I would…oh wait excuse me.  The doorbell. &^)(()*   NO CARRIER Genifer – dept of defe…uh…a nice lady

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Tom,     You’re right. I let my daughter set my watch back from daylight savings. I bet she got both of them wrong. Since I hadn’t used it except for running until 11/6, I didn’t notice. mystery solved, Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My guess would be that you got the time off when you changes back to standard time from daylight savings. me you state the error in and the date of the time change 10/31 this year makes me suspect an operator error. Tom : I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon : 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 : it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see : the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the : date didn’t change until the middle of the day. : I would have thought that it was just accidental : button pushing but my daughter told me hers did : the same thing about the same time. : Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? : Does it happen often? : Just wondering, : Mike

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Possibly a trip back across the international date line might help? DallasWhite Rock Half-Marathon (1st attempt) Time 2:42:23, Age (40-44): 213/228 Overall male: 1347/1379 Not quite a stellar performance but I’ll take it. Happy Running!

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I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the date didn’t change until the middle of the day. I would have thought that it was just accidental button pushing but my daughter told me hers did the same thing about the same time. Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? Does it happen often? Just wondering, Mike

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My guess would be that you got the time off when you changes back to standard time from daylight savings. me you state the error in and the date of the time change 10/31 this year makes me suspect an operator error. Tom : I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon : 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 : it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see : the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the : date didn’t change until the middle of the day. : I would have thought that it was just accidental : button pushing but my daughter told me hers did : the same thing about the same time. : Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? : Does it happen often? : Just wondering, : Mike

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how the hell do youknow all this about me?

John, I also know that you were birthday is 2 days after mine…  ;-) John "Pisces" Welch

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John, I also know that you were birthday is 2 days after mine…  ;-) John "Pisces" Welch

So that puts "Irongeek’s" birthday at February 24.  Should we also tell John H. that he uses an NEC 386???

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 John, I also know that you were birthday is 2 days after mine…  ;-) John "Pisces" Welch So that puts "Irongeek’s" birthday at February 24.  Should we also tell John H. that he uses an NEC 386???

Nope, the 20th of February.  You needed to subtract rather than add… Pat (another pisces) Sobrero

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You’d be amazed at what we know about you. What else do you want to know? How about how much money you made last year? How about where you live? How about your mom and dad’s name. Height? Weight, SSN? Color, schooling? You name it, one of us can find it. People from all walks of life here. Merry Christmas and DejaNews! Schwing how the hell do youknow all this about me?     my # of post..topic of

post?????

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how the hell do youknow all this about me?     my # of post..topic of post?????

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<<how the hell do youknow all this about me?     my # of post..topic of post????? Easy, I did the same thing when I read your post.  Go to:   Search. Fill in your screen name for author, and GO. You can also narrow your search to rst, and then see what you wrote and see what was answered.  For that, click "view thread." Scary, ain’t it?  Big Brother is already here. Actually it is VERY useful, you can search according to subjects you are interested in.  If you like the answers a particular person gives, you can go back and read almost whatever else that person has written (within certain time restraints).  It has been very useful for me. Take care, have fun searching out your favorite topics, -Pat

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Dejanews. Jeff. (sign your name someday) how the hell do youknow all this about me?     my # of post..topic of

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on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail..

Dude, you’re from Sarasota,FL. There are two great ( ok one good and one great ) Tris there. Go do one. Have fun with it and see what you need to do to improve. At least go watch one. Oh and St. Pete’s just up the road… you gotta see St. Anthony’s even if you don’t do it.. Al Kormesser

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Hey, thanks for this tip, Pat!  I now know that before today I’ve posted 275 times to r.s.t. since August 1995.  And I’ve been able to revisit a few interesting threads that I’d either lost or forgotten. Tripping through r.s.t of yesteryear has encouraged me to suggest a topical post topic.  Let’s try New Years’ Wishes (hey, it’s only in a week!). Here are my top 10: 10. That the wind always be at our backs when we are riding. 9. That the next advance in full-length wetsuits make them a lot easier to get out of. 8. That Leptospirosis never again be found in Lake Springfield or any other body of H2O in which triathletes swim. 7. That a lengthy section on safe driving among bicyclists be added to the driver’s test in every state and nation. 6. That every waterstop have plenty of fluid and food. 5. That someone  invent an ultralight bike-mounted radar device that signals when one is in a drafting zone. 4. That all of us find it easy to train whenever we want, early in the morning, at noon, in the early evening and at night.  (But let’s not think about 5-a-days!) 3. That we get picked in every race lottery we enter. 2. That none of us gets injured or ill. 1. That we find peace and happiness as triathletes! Happy Holidays! –Lee Crumbaugh (Tri-Hard) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Go to:   Search. Fill in your screen name for author, and GO. You can also narrow your search to rst, and then see what you wrote and see what was answered.  For that, click "view thread." Scary, ain’t it?  Big Brother is already here. Actually it is VERY useful, you can search according to subjects you are interested in.  If you like the answers a particular person gives, you can go back and read almost whatever else that person has written (within certain time restraints).  It has been very useful for me. Take care, have fun searching out your favorite topics, -Pat

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It’s probably too late this year but the best way to start is to go to a triathlon and watch. Then talk to the people in person at the event. (everyone is real helpful). Then come to RST and ask some serious questions like — What size and type of bike, with what tire and rim setup should I ride when I am on my fruitcake diet,  will help me from peeing in my shoes when I am at church on Sunday thinking about my heart rate. Make sure you mention how much fun it is to draft durring a triathlon and always be serious!!! D.J. " is anybody out there? hello?  anybody?? Oh well, they must snub because they love!!" (IRONKID)

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To ask "How do I go about this?" is to big a question to answer in a post. It’s like asking my daughter "What do you do in pre-school today?"  She can’t answer, it’s too big a question.  Ask her what book they read, or what she drew that day, and she’ll give me a great answer.  So why not try questions like "What’s your favorite bike interval workout" or "what kind of mileage to put in".  I’ve gotten tons of good training info reading these sort of threads, and these kind of questions benefit all of us.  There are some training geniuses out there. Happy holidays to all. Doleo, ergo sum Scott Hoffman

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I’m sorry that you feel snubbed…  I sometimes find myself in your situation.  I find the best way to get your questions answered is to get into as many debates as possible.  That way you can slip in a question here and there and noone will notice .

As in a chainring size debate called: "Why isn’t titanium more popular in Ironman". Gerard Vroomen, Cervelo Cycles. website: http://www.cervelo.com

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c – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sorry that you feel snubbed…  I sometimes find myself in your situation.  I find the best way to get your questions answered is to get into as many debates as possible.  That way you can slip in a question here and there and noone will notice . As in a chainring size debate called: "Why isn’t titanium more popular in Ironman". Gerard Vroomen, Cervelo Cycles. website: http://www.cervelo.com

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The person first responding to your post here seems to have looked up your past posts and found that you want to know this; Seeking training help for 1st Tri or Du

Sorry you feel snubbed. Now, I ask, have you gone out and done any tris or dus this year? Probably a lot of your questions migh be ansswered if you did. Or at least you would have been more knowledgeable in order to specify your questions. My first answer would be to go out and do a tri or a du. If you look at your splits, etc then you can see exactly where you would need training help. Most likely you would need to whittle down your transition time as this is one of the things that beginners spend too much time. Suggestion, use two seperate pairs of run shoes for any duathlon you race. Another suggestion for training – do bricks, a ride, then a run immediately after. There are many, many posts on here about training and there is a lot (almost too much) info published. Try INSIDE TRIATHLON where there is a regular column devoted to just duathlon training. Whatever you do, do not use the lack of responses to your posts as an excuse to not race. If that is the case then you need to examine your desire to race in the first place. Ken

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I had the same feeling when I first started my RST activities.  I posted a similar complaint, and received a very large amount of mail from people who definitely were aware of my posts.  Seems like I didn’t give enough of a subject to respond to. Since then, I have been more selective in asking real questions or making real comments and have been rewarded with lots of interaction. Also, I believe some people are more inclined to respond to people they know, or are part of a group, but that is their right just as it is your right to mingle with the people of your choice. RST isn’t that much different from any real life situation except that you happen to be talking to a whole lot of people with similar interests.  Fun, isn’t it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail……Just wqanteds to say thanks and happy  kwansa..X- mas..hanuka.. or anyother thing you guys celebrate

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on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail……Just wqanteds to say thanks and happy  kwansa..X- mas..hanuka.. or anyother thing you guys celebrate

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on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail……Just wqanteds to say thanks and happy  kwansa..X- mas..hanuka.. or anyother thing you guys celebrate

J Hansen, Sorry you felt snubbed.  Ive seen this happen before.  It was nothing against you personally just that questions asking for tips for a first triathlon come very often.  During the season i would venture to say atleast twice a week.  So it wasnt you just that no one probably wanted to touch it because it has be rehashed time and time again.  Next time be more specific and you will probably get some good responses. Such as:  "Anyone have any good tips on saving time in transition" or "What to wear during first try". Good Luck. Rob.

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Ok, I’ll take this one. Just got the kids to bed and all of the presents are wrapped, sipping on an egg nog and brandy… ummm. I like the off season. Oh back to the subject at hand. Since you haven’t signed your name to any posts (that I’ve seen) I’ll call you JHansen882. That’s nice and personal Looks like you have posted to this NG around 33 times since December 1997. Almost 3 posts a month. You’ve been involved in threads involving Sharks, powerbars, Drafting, gearing, and Cranks to name a few. Most of the posts have been pleads looking for help with duathlon training. While it looks like you have gotten some action from these "requests", I get the feeling that they are not what you would like. Personally, I’d be happy to help you out with duathlon training, but haven’t got a clue what to say. I haven’t done any duathlons. I would hazard a guess that the others in this NG might be of similar persuasion. If we don’t know, we don’t say. As far as your request for a 1st tri, I offer the subject and body of the request: Author:   JHansen882 Forums: rec.sport.triathlon

—– Someone…Anyone please help……

That’s not a heckuva lot to go on. There are tons of resources available. The *first* place I went was to the book store. Then the cycling store, then the masters program. Then after all of that I started working out. Swimming, biking, and running. Repeat. Repeat x Many. Race. Race some more and meet people. Ask some questions about Traithlon from Triathletes, and Duathlon from Duathletes. After some of that, hit the NG with some great questions. Or ask them now. But in order to get, you’ve gotta give. From where I sit, I don’t think you’ve been snubbed, just maybe you stumped the panel! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail……Just wqanteds to say thanks and happy  kwansa..X- mas..hanuka.. or anyother thing you guys celebrate

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I’m sorry that you feel snubbed…  I sometimes find myself in your situation.  I find the best way to get your questions answered is to get into as many debates as possible.  That way you can slip in a question here and there and noone will notice . I’ve found my self being slack in this group… a "lurker" who reads everybodys posts but never contributes to the discussion.  That’s why my New Year’s resolution is to post and add to discussion in this group almost every day.  So you people better get used to hearing me!!! —  Salvador Santolucito III – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – on several ocassions I have asked and pleaded for hrlp and guidance on this NG to no avail……Just wqanteds to say thanks and happy  kwansa..X- mas..hanuka.. or anyother thing you guys celebrate

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 am a college freshman at Stanford and i am writing a research paper on what motivates people to train for and compete in the Ironman.  As there is not a whole lot of published info on the subject I have been interviewing people.  I have also done a deja news search for info.  I have listed some of the questions i asked below.  I would appreciate it if some of you Ironmen or Ironwomen wouldn’t mind answering a few questions about the race.  I’ll post my report as soon as i finish it.

David, Although I haven’t yet finished my first IM I thought I’d answer what I could because I’ve frequently been asked (and asked myself) why I would do an IM. 1. Name Gordon Fesenger 2. Age 41 3. Occupation

United States Air Force 4. Marital status

Married (no children) 5. Years of experience in triathlon  (# of races)

This is my third year, I’ve done 9 races to date 6. Athletic background

High school football, wrestling, track, avid downhill skier 7. How many ironman

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FOR SALE:  Trek 2300 Just Assembled Last Month NEW 56 cm Frame (PERFECT Condition) Carbonfiber Main Tubes / Aluminum Stays and Fork Shimano Ultegra Components (1 1/2 Yrs Old — GREAT Condition) Italia Flite Titanium Saddle NEW Tires (700×25) Drop Bars Look Clipless Pedals 2 Water Bottle Cages Your Choice (Triathlon or Road Configuration): Profile Airstryke Aerobars, Computer Mount, and Swift Shift (Ultegra DT Shift & Brake Levers) -OR- Ultegra STI This bike is in awesome condition and has never been crashed!  Not a scratch to be found.  I’m asking $995 plus shipping and handling (U.S. currency). Don Griffith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  FOR SALE:  Trek 2300  Just Assembled Last Month  NEW 56 cm Frame (PERFECT Condition)  Carbonfiber Main Tubes / Aluminum Stays and Fork  Shimano Ultegra 8 Spd Components (1 1/2 Yrs Old — GREAT Condition)  Italia Flite Titanium Saddle  NEW Tires (700×25)  Drop Bars  Look Clipless Pedals  2 Water Bottle Cages  Your Choice (Triathlon or Road Configuration):  Profile Airstryke Aerobars, Computer Mount, and Swift Shift (Ultegra DT Shift & Brake Levers)  -OR-  Ultegra STI Shifters/Brakeset  This bike is in awesome condition and has never been crashed!  Not a scratch to be found.  $995 OR BEST OFFER plus shipping and handling (U.S. currency).  Don Griffith

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I’m getting a new bike (finally) and have really narrowed it down to either the QR Kilo or the Special Edition.  I"m really leaning towards the Kilo because it’s aluminum and that’s what my c-dale is.  Also, the salesman (a roadie) who I talked to seemed to be rathered concerned with frame flex on the Special Edition.  Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Drafting Sucks.  Keep tri-ing!

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have really narrowed it down to either the QR Kilo or the Special Edition the salesman (a roadie) who I talked to seemed to be rathered concerned with frame flex on the Special Edition.

Well, I like what you’ve narrowed your choice down to.  However, I would say pshaw to any salesman, even if he is selling a QR bike, who says there is any appreciable frame flex in a Special Edition.  Unless he WANTS frame flex, in which case I understand his concern. QRman

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I have had both…..actually I still have the kilo…….both are great bikes….and both are very stiff……I do like the kilo due to the weight good luck Sam Km40….cheers!   (was ZippSam)

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Well, thank you all for your responses.  Sounds like next time I demand to talk to the (one and only) triathlete salesman in the store  I think I’m going to get that Kilo anyway though, just because I really like aluminum. Thankfully, CaptainTri Drafting Sucks.  Keep tri-ing!

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I have a just bought a Kilo to replace my C/dale R700 and think it is great. In my first race on the Kilo I set a new bike PR by almost 4 minutes. It is no stiffer than the C/dale, much lighter, more comfortable and flies. I plan to upgrade the fork with an EMS at the end of the year for next season. Warrick.

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I think I’m going to get that Kilo anyway though, just because I really like aluminum.

Here’s more confusion for you.  We have a new release of the Kilo, quite a limited one (we have 50 of these), complete bike only, with clincher HED J2 in the front, and HED Jet in the rear, 24 spokes each.  The complete bike is $1,995.  This is a collaberation between Hed and ourselves for a sort of end-of-the bike-buying-season special.  Your local QR dealer will have this available to them within a week or so. QRman

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Someone decided they didn’t want this posted publicly, and who can blame them!  This is a response I received via email to my post from a couple of weeks ago on good-looking triathletes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously if you think Spencer Smith, Karen Smyers and Michellie Jones are good looking you ought to have your head examined, no malice intended they may seem attractive to you but….

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Rodney J. Zamarron) writes: Someone decided they didn’t want this posted publicly, and who can blame them! I can’t believe you have the nerve to reprint something that someone obviously did not want printed in the news group.  I think you are the one who needs his head examined (or something else done to it).                                    _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / Tri-On The only legal draft should come from hops and barley. WEB (Robert Webster) Waukegan, IL

You’re right…I shouldn’t have done it, and won’t do it again. Rod

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Biochem)) writes: IMO, it’s poor netiquette to post something that was sent by private E mail unless the sender agrees.  If the sender wanted it posted, they could have done it themselves. An exception to this rule would be severly abusive E mail that was posted as a warning to others.  I don’t see that in this message. Dave LaPorte Beginning Road Racing Program St. Paul Bicycle Racing Club 612/639-1771 (Home) 612/625-4983 (Work)

Dave: You’re right.  It was an extremely dumb thing of me to do. Rod

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I don’t understand why you would post something that a person sent to you privately.  Where is your integrity?  And, yes, he does have a point….

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IMO, it’s poor netiquette to post something that was sent by private E mail unless the sender agrees.  If the sender wanted it posted, they could have done it themselves. An exception to this rule would be severly abusive E mail that was posted as a warning to others.  I don’t see that in this message. Dave LaPorte Beginning Road Racing Program St. Paul Bicycle Racing Club 612/639-1771 (Home) 612/625-4983 (Work) : Someone decided they didn’t want this posted publicly, and who can : blame them!  This is a response I received via email to my post from a : couple of weeks ago on good-looking triathletes. : Seriously if you think Spencer Smith, Karen Smyers and Michellie : Jones are good looking you ought to have your head examined, no : malice intended they may seem attractive to you but….

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(Rodney J. Zamarron) writes: Someone decided they didn’t want this posted publicly, and who can blame them!

I can’t believe you have the nerve to reprint something that someone obviously did not want printed in the news group.  I think you are the one who needs his head examined (or something else done to it).                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / Tri-On The only legal draft should come from hops and barley. WEB (Robert Webster) Waukegan, IL

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IMO, it’s poor netiquette to post something that was sent by private E mail unless the sender agrees.  If the sender wanted it posted, they could have done it themselves.

Then why repost it as a quotation?  It’s an obnoxious and false (to me) statement that shouldn’t be repeated. Ruth Kazez

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Posting stuff that someone doesn’t want to be seen, unless it’s abuse that’s been unfairly heaped on you, is just palin bad taste. If you resort to that kind of crap, it wouldn’t surprise me if you were the cheese head that stole that guys Spinergy front wheel, or Roxannes bike, or Seans wetsuit. All of you have no morals. You are truly lower than a snakes butt…in a wagon rut. I pity you. Get a clue. TriDork (even I have higher morals than you. yes that’s an insult!)

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I don’t understand why you would post something that a person sent to you privately.  Where is your integrity?  And, yes, he does have a point….

Because I’m stupid.  I shouldn’t have done that, and won’t do anything like that again. Rod

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IMO, it’s poor netiquette to post something that was sent by private E mail unless the sender agrees.  If the sender wanted it posted, they could have done it themselves.

And probably a violation of copyright law no matter what country you live in. Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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I would appreciate any suggestions for good bike or tri shops, say between SF Airport and San Jose.Ian,

First, my server could not send to your email.   Try Cyclepath in San Mateo, (415)341-0922, cool shop, expensive. Summit Cyclery in Burlingame (415)343-8483, some road stuff, good techs. If you can get to Saratoga, there is a shop I want to check out, they stock the Felt, and a lot of other tri-bikes. Saratoga Bike Shop Sorry, I don’t know the phone number. People in San Jose will know the shops for that area. Regards, Lee http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I will be visiting the US in January and spending a week in the Bay Area. I would appreciate any suggestions for good bike or tri shops, say between SF Airport and San Jose. I am particularly looking for bike shoes and pedals. TIA Ian — Ian Lilly                                         Phone  +61 2 879 9500 Marketing Manager                                     Home   +61 2 523 1509 Mining and Petroleum Industries                   FAX    +61 2 879 9585 Silicon Graphics Inc, Intercontinental Area       Voicemail       58890 Up and down the lane I go, day after day, year after year.       ,===/o__

There’s a great tri shop located in campbell called Tri-It-All sports.  Run by a very knowledgable and experienced triathlete. They are one of the few places in the San Jose area where I found Carnac TRS-1K’s. They also have all manner of tri goodies, although I don’t think they have pedals…performance bike shop is close by though. If you’re looking for a good tri oriented bike shop, I frequent Saratoga Bike Shop in, oddly enough, Saratoga.  The owner is an ultradistance triathlete and carries high end stuff like kestrels, softrides, and felts. If you want more info, let me know and I’ll dig up directions and phone #’s so you can let your fingers do the walking.

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I will be visiting the US in January and spending a week in the Bay Area. I would appreciate any suggestions for good bike or tri shops, say between SF Airport and San Jose. I am particularly looking for bike shoes and pedals. TIA Ian —

Ian— For bike stuff, go to Garner’s Pro Bike Shop in Redwood City.  Ask for Paul, the manager, and tell ‘im Tricia sent you!  Paul is a bike god, and they have the best prices in the area there. If there is anything you can’t find at Garner’s, you must go to Wheelsmith in Palo Alto because it is a veritable cycling institution.  Its prices aren’t so good, but there is *nothing* you can’t get at Wheelsmith, and the place is a cycling museum as well.  They have Indurain’s TdF time trial bike, various antique bikes, jerseys of the pros from important races, etc., etc., etc. For tri stuff in general, try MetroSport in Palo Alto at the Town & Country Village shopping center.  You might also check out The Runner’s High in Menlo Park, and Hoy’s Sports on Haight Street in San Francisco. Hope this helps– Tricia Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  /

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: I will be visiting the US in January and spending a week in the Bay Area. : I would appreciate any suggestions for good bike or tri shops, say : between SF Airport and San Jose. : I am particularly looking for bike shoes and pedals. In Campbell (just northwest of San Jose) there is Tri-It-All sports, which is a very good triathlon shop.  They now have a bike shop there too, and the mechanic is an old-timer from the european circuit – he REALLY knows his stuff.  They carry Zipp. Saratoga Bike Shop (also Northwest of San Jose) is a great bike shop for triathletes.  They carry Kestrel and Softride, and I just read here that they are now carrying Felt. *   |       *   *     *                                                      * /|  *    *     *        Eric Roseme                                     *  /|   *     *       *    Hewlett-Packard, Information Networks Division    *//|\     /   /    *                                                      ///|\ *      \                                                   |       *  // *                                                                         \                                                                            \                                                        

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I will be visiting the US in January and spending a week in the Bay Area. I would appreciate any suggestions for good bike or tri shops, say between SF Airport and San Jose. I am particularly looking for bike shoes and pedals. TIA Ian — Ian Lilly                                         Phone  +61 2 879 9500 Marketing Manager                                 Home   +61 2 523 1509 Mining and Petroleum Industries                   FAX    +61 2 879 9585 Silicon Graphics Inc, Intercontinental Area       Voicemail       58890 Up and down the lane I go, day after day, year after year.       ,===/o__

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