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Hi, I am looking for a windows based application that allows to register all intermediary and final times of participants in a triathlon. Can anyone help me? — regards, David
Hi, I am looking for a windows based application that allows to register all intermediary and final times of participants in a triathlon. Can anyone help me? — regards, — groetjes, David
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlete » What are Lance Armstrong's running PR's?
Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
He did a duathlon back in the winter sometime. You could check the run splits from that. Since he was pretty competitive as a triathlete, you might be able to find some splits in old (mid 1980s) triathlete magazines. I would guess that right now his run VO2max would be pretty close to his bike. Cyclists typically can get close values on the two modes, but runners will "tucker" out on a bike (due to local fatigue) before reaching their running VO2max. At least that is the norm. Well trained (read World Cup caliber) athletes that I have tested in the lab come very, very close on both the run and the bike. His resting HR is at rest therefore it does not matter. Some old Lance VO2max data is floating around. It was once (June 1996) published in Scientific American in an article by Jay T. Kearney, Ph.D.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
He did a duathlon back in the winter sometime. You could check the run splits from that. Since he was pretty competitive as a triathlete, you might be able to find some splits in old (mid 1980s) triathlete magazines. I would guess that right now his run VO2max would be pretty close to his bike. Cyclists typically can get close values on the two modes, but runners will "tucker" out on a bike (due to local fatigue) before reaching their running VO2max. At least that is the norm. Well trained (read World Cup caliber) athletes that I have tested in the lab come very, very close on both the run and the bike.
That’s certainly something I’ve noticed, since I started back to cycling this spring, but have done moderate amounts of running every year. When cycling, my legs seem to give out due to local muscle fatigue long before my lungs. I suppose it will take a few more months for my cycling to catch up with my running, in terms of caloric expenditure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -His resting HR is at rest therefore it does not matter. Some old Lance VO2max data is floating around. It was once (June 1996) published in Scientific American in an article by Jay T. Kearney, Ph.D. Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
He did a duathlon back in the winter sometime. You could check the run splits from that. Since he was pretty competitive as a triathlete, you might be able to find some splits in old (mid 1980s) triathlete magazines. I would guess that right now his run VO2max would be pretty close to his bike. Cyclists typically can get close values on the two modes, but runners will "tucker" out on a bike (due to local fatigue) before reaching their running VO2max. At least that is the norm. Well trained (read World Cup caliber) athletes that I have tested in the lab come very, very close on both the run and the bike. His resting HR is at rest therefore it does not matter.
I meant physiologically, e.g., the VO2max of Meb Keflezghi (AR, 10k)is "in the 30’s". With training your resting HR descends, you use more O2. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some old Lance VO2max data is floating around. It was once (June 1996) published in Scientific American in an article by Jay T. Kearney, Ph.D. Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He did a duathlon back in the winter sometime. You could check the run splits from that. Since he was pretty competitive as a triathlete, you might be able to find some splits in old (mid 1980s) triathlete magazines. I would guess that right now his run VO2max would be pretty close to his bike. Cyclists typically can get close values on the two modes, but runners will "tucker" out on a bike (due to local fatigue) before reaching their running VO2max. At least that is the norm. Well trained (read World Cup caliber) athletes that I have tested in the lab come very, very close on both the run and the bike. His resting HR is at rest therefore it does not matter. I meant physiologically, e.g., the VO2max of Meb Keflezghi (AR, 10k)is "in the 30’s". With training your resting HR descends, you use more O2.
A sedentary 50 year old man’s VO2max is in the 30s. Lance is 80+ (in ml/kg/min)—it is much harder to get recent data and at that level power outputs are more important. What the hell does "with training your resting HR descends, you use MORE O2." mean? Training typically does reduce resting HR, but that is mainly because of increased stroke volume. Oxygen consumption at rest probably does not decrease all that much. It is consider to be 3.5 ml/kg/min with some variation between individuals. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian Some old Lance VO2max data is floating around. It was once (June 1996) published in Scientific American in an article by Jay T. Kearney, Ph.D. Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He did a duathlon back in the winter sometime. You could check the run splits from that. Since he was pretty competitive as a triathlete, you might be able to find some splits in old (mid 1980s) triathlete magazines. I would guess that right now his run VO2max would be pretty close to his bike. Cyclists typically can get close values on the two modes, but runners will "tucker" out on a bike (due to local fatigue) before reaching their running VO2max. At least that is the norm. Well trained (read World Cup caliber) athletes that I have tested in the lab come very, very close on both the run and the bike. His resting HR is at rest therefore it does not matter. I meant physiologically, e.g., the VO2max of Meb Keflezghi (AR, 10k)is "in the 30’s". With training your resting HR descends, you use more O2. A sedentary 50 year old man’s VO2max is in the 30s. Lance is 80+ (in ml/kg/min)—it is much harder to get recent data and at that level power outputs are more important. What the hell does "with training your resting HR descends, you use MORE O2." mean? Training typically does reduce resting HR, but that is mainly because of increased stroke volume. Oxygen consumption at rest probably does not decrease all that much. It is consider to be 3.5 ml/kg/min with some variation between individuals. Brian Some old Lance VO2max data is floating around. It was once (June 1996) published in Scientific American in an article by Jay T. Kearney, Ph.D. Or RHR, VO2 max, etc.? Any stats? The www-site doesn’t mention running pr’s or physiological #’s. Brian
Some numbers from a sight, not vouching for how accurate or were they came from. Doesn’t have Lance but has Miguel Indurain & Lemond. aximum Oxygen Update (Max VO2) values for selected groups and individuals are as follows: General Population, Female, Aged 20-29: 35-43 ml/kg/min General Population, Male, Aged 20-29: 44-51 US College Track, Male: 57.4 College Students, Male: 44.6 Highest Recorded Female (Cross-Country Skier): 74 Highest Recorded Male (Cross-Country Skier): 94 Steve Prefontaine,US runner, 84.4 Frank Shorter, US Olympic Marathon winner, 71.3 Ingrid Kristiansen, ex-Marathon World Record Holder, 71.2 Derek Clayton, Australian ex-Marathon World Record holder, 69.7 Rosa Mota, Marathon runner, 67.2 Jeff Galloway, US Runner, 73.0 Paula Ivan, Russian Olympic 1500M Record Holder, 71.0 Jarmila Krotochvilova,Czech Olympian 400M/800M winner, 72.8 Greg LeMond, professional cyclist, 92.5 Matt Carpenter, Pikes Peak marathon course record holder, 92 Miguel Indurain, professional cyclist, 88 ~Matt
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon » Lake Placid Coverage on ESPN?
Well, now I don’t feel so bad. I set up the VCR (I thought) to record the show and when I got home realized I didn’t press the timer button, Darn! No recording. Sorry I missed the fishing show. Just checked out ESPN’s listings and triathlon is nowhere to be found. Wayne
| Okay, am I the only one who got home and realized that he’d just recorded a | one-hour fishing show? | | Good god. | |
They are re-broadcasting it on Tuesday (10/25) afternoon…. 2pm I think? bd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, now I don’t feel so bad. I set up the VCR (I thought) to record the show and when I got home realized I didn’t press the timer button, Darn! No recording. Sorry I missed the fishing show. Just checked out ESPN’s listings and triathlon is nowhere to be found. Wayne | Okay, am I the only one who got home and realized that he’d just recorded a | one-hour fishing show? | | Good god. | |
They are re-broadcasting it on Tuesday (10/25) afternoon…. 2pm I think?
Best check your local listings. On the east coast, it is very early Tuesday morning (2-3 AM?). Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD
They are re-broadcasting it on Tuesday (10/25) afternoon…. 2pm I think? Best check your local listings. On the east coast, it is very early Tuesday morning (2-3 AM?). Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD
The ironmanlive.com homepage says the rebroadcast will occur on Tuesday 10/24 at 3:00am. However, you better check your local listings, as this site also says the original broadcast was to be shown on Sunday 10/22 at 4:30pm. (All times are EST)
Before you buy.
On insideri.com they reported that the original broadcast was rescheduled for 2-3pm. Luckily, my girlfriend is smarted than me and got it recorded. They did not mention anything about the rebroadcast being rescheduled or not. According to my local listings it’s on at 2:00am central time. Go to: WWW.TVGRID.GO.COM to see if that corrisponds with your local listings. Hope this helps! Jay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, am I the only one who got home and realized that he’d just recorded a one-hour fishing show? Good god.
make that 10/24 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They are re-broadcasting it on Tuesday (10/25) afternoon…. 2pm I think? bd Well, now I don’t feel so bad. I set up the VCR (I thought) to record the show and when I got home realized I didn’t press the timer button, Darn! No recording. Sorry I missed the fishing show. Just checked out ESPN’s listings and triathlon is nowhere to be found. Wayne | Okay, am I the only one who got home and realized that he’d just recorded a | one-hour fishing show? | | Good god. | |
Okay, am I the only one who got home and realized that he’d just recorded a one-hour fishing show? Good god.
I saw part of the IMUSA broadcast. They had it on in our runners club (Montgomery County Road Runners) hospitality suite after the Marine Corp. Marathon. I was so happy to see that my family was on the broadcast since they volunteered at one of the water stops. Right in a row my son, my wife, and my daughter, arms extended offering Gatorade, and Gu. Then to top it off I was in the broadcast (twice) behind the woman that was in second place. Dave Scott forgot to mention my name though. I don
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlete » Sports Drinks
I dunno either way, but I can tell you that water TASTES better than those sick sport drinks! (I we have well water…minerals and stuff) Dani
| I dunno either way, but I can tell you that water TASTES better than those | sick sport drinks! (I we have well water…minerals and stuff) | | Dani I find that the product "Excel" is good. This comes as a concentrate that is mixed with water, about 1.5 oz to a 28oz water bottle. It’s taste is kind of neutral, not sweet, not like Gatorade, but you know it’s not plain water. It contains both electrolytes and carbs and is one of the few drinks that doesn’t upset my stomach; I can drink a couple "glasses" of Gatorade both that happens and none before a race — Excel is OK anytime.
: Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports : drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to : athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled : scientific studies and research done at the American College of : Sports Medicine (ACSM) finding sports drinks to be poor fluid and : salt replacement beverages. : <snip : Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, : to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. Just one comment re the above reference: Eat to Win has been around for awhile. When this book was written, only preliminary research had been done on sports drinks–his opinions reflect the prevailing views of exercise professionals at that time. Since then a lot more research has been done, including studies that look at actual performance, not just isolated physiologic processes like gastric emptying, etc. The accepted view on sports drinks has evolved quite a bit since Eat to Win, and research has shown that they do provide some benefit under certain conditions. Keep in mind also, however, that much of the same benefits can be provided via home concoctions. Sports drinks are not magic, but for some people, the convenience might be worth the cost. Rick Gerwin
| To add what is perhaps a stupid question, if Gatorade type | drinks aren’t so hot, why is it being served during the Marine | Corps Marathon? Is it simply a matter of corporate | sponsorship? | | Naively, | | Pete Gatoraid is fine, only dilute it especially in conditions where you require more water (eg heat, altitude, more strenuous types of aerobic activity. And… maybe we should support them if they are nice enough to sponsor our events.
…stuff deleted | ORT works. You can achieve a similar effect by adding a small amount of | salt to a can of Coke. The Coke will taste sweeter (yes) than usual. As | for the rehydration effect, you be the judge yourself. Personally, I use | that myself. What about the caffeine in Coke? It acts as a diuretic and I can’t imagine that adding salt would counteract the effects. I understand the idea of ORT (sugar, water, salt) but it seems to me that using any caffeinated beverage as a base, rather than water, would counteract any benefits you might get. -Jennifer ( )_( ) Jennifer L. Holcom * Transgenic mice are nice! (o o) Baylor College of Medicine * / Dept. of Cell Biology *
: Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports : drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to : athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled : scientific studies and research done at the American College of : Sports Medicine (ACSM) finding sports drinks to be poor fluid and : salt replacement beverages. : <snip : Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, : to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. I may have written this before but here goes again. In developing countries, when children have diarrhoea, they are given a treatment called ORT or Oral Rehydration Therapy. The idea is to make their bodies absorb fluids and so maintain their conditions until they can be treated for their ailment. ORT consists of water in the amount that is in a Coke bottle with 7(?) parts of sugar and 1 part of salt. (Note that this seems similar to the Hass recommendation.) The exact proportion eludes me now. This proportion is the same as that in Gatorade, which originated in U of Florida, home of the ‘Gators. ORT works. You can achieve a similar effect by adding a small amount of salt to a can of Coke. The Coke will taste sweeter (yes) than usual. As for the rehydration effect, you be the judge yourself. Personally, I use that myself. It should be noted though that ORT is therapy. That is, it is not in the usual scheme of things. So in the usual scheme of things, that is when not exercising or needing to force the body to absorb the water, just plain water is good enough.
I’ve used Cytomax on long duration runs (over 3 hours) and it does seem to help. They have a good breakdown of the hows and whys of their product on the outside of the can, and, so far, my body tells me their claims are true. I drank the stuff as per instructions while on a huge burner the other day; 7,500 vertical feet of climb topping out at around13,600ft. (Mt. Tom, east-side Sierra.) Felt "good" the whole way. No bad power surges or outages caused by simple-sugars… I believe! (Maybe that’s all that matters.) Happy Trails Mini (p.s. Pain: it’s not just for breakfast anymore.)
I mix Gatorade with Kool-Aid. I can’t say how much it does for my running but it tastes good!
To add what is perhaps a stupid question, if Gatorade type drinks aren’t so hot, why is it being served during the Marine Corps Marathon? Is it simply a matter of corporate sponsorship? Naively, Pete
says: To add what is perhaps a stupid question, if Gatorade type drinks aren’t so hot, why is it being served during the Marine Corps Marathon? Is it simply a matter of corporate sponsorship?
Gosh, the U.S. military has never before been associated with wasteful, needless, or inefficient use of resources. ;-)
The statements regarding sports drinks, that is, they are entirely too strong for good adsorption is accurate when reffering to the mass marketted and heavily advertised products (i.e. Gatoraid). In the past few years a large number of much more scientifically formulated drink have been produced. The ones that I have tried and some comments are as follows: Exceed – A good fluid although the fructose bothers me a bit Conquest – Not widely available 1-800-we-sweat is the toll free number of what is basically a basement operation. Good drink contains no simple sugars, taste gets a bit much after 50K or so of running. Cytomax – My wife uses this and prefers the lemon lime flavor E-Caps Power Surge – really unusual tasting, not sweet at all but you can drink it a quite high concentrations and still absorb it. This is what I’m currently using. The concentrations given on the cans for these drinks should only be used under cool conditions (i.e. < 60F). I find as the weather heats up that you should dilute to 50% of the recomended concentration or else I stop absorbing the fluid. I recommend that you make frequent use of a variety of fluids in training before ever using them in a race. For use after training Gatorade and similar drinks are a good choice as the problem of high concentrations of simple sugars is not a problem. Best to have this to rehydrate a bit before quaffing a few brews — Andy Jones – ULTRA – (U)nknown (L)engths (T)est (R)eal (A)thletes
| I’m new to this newsgroup so forgive me if this topic has already | been hashed through. . . | | Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports | drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to | athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled | scientific studies and research done at the American College of | Sports Medicine (ACSM) finding sports drinks to be poor fluid and | salt replacement beverages. | | "Researchers working with the ACSM determined that the maximum | concentration of sugar, salt, and potassium in any sports fluid | replacement beverage should be, for every 8 ounces of fluid, 5.9 | grams of sugar, 55 milligrams of sodium, and 46 milligrams of | potassium. This is a great deal less than what is to be found in | sports drinks. Yet no more than this concentration of nutrients | can be absorbed efficiently from your stomach and delivered | efficiently to the areas of your body that require them." –Eat | to Win, p. 104 | | Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, | to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. | | So what do folks in cyberland say? Is Hass right or wrong? Are | there studies that have yielded results contrary to those cited | by Hass? Have sports drinks significantly changed formulation | since EAT TO WIN was published in 1983? I don’t have a position | on this matter one way or the other, so please don’t flame me! | | Regards, | | Adam Well now that all the dust has settled and half the sports drink companies have gone belly-up, the latest information I’ve read essentially confirms what Hass said. This argument is of course never going to be over until the sports drink companies quit paying for the research. The things you should be aware of from recent research I’ve read in Physician and Sports Medicine and elseware are that ingesting sugar replacement drinks for events longer than a couple of hours IS helpful since it conserves liver glycogen, that glucose and sucrose (which gets almost immediately broken down to glucose/fructose) are superior to fructose, and that most commercial products need to be diluted for use during an event. I’ll add my personal experience in running and coaching for many years that the optimum dilution level depends on temperature, altitude and probably the individual. Remember that the faster you lose water the more water you need, hence, the more dilute your drinks should be. Always try these things out before you use them in an important event by using them during your training.
I’m new to this newsgroup so forgive me if this topic has already been hashed through. . . Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled scientific studies and research done at the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) finding sports drinks to be poor fluid and salt replacement beverages. <snip Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. So what do folks in cyberland say? Is Hass right or wrong? Are
<snip I studied all this a year of so ago. I no longer remember the specifics, and as always, opinions are conflicting and constantly changing on this with the "latest" research. I do remember MY conclusion after the review because it is what I practice today. I’ll revisit the issue again in the future. What I now do is: For my normal daily workout schedule (40 to 60 mins): I drink only water. Lots of it all day long. If it is hot, or I feel I need it, I also drink water during exercise. I drink immediately after also. For my long runs and bicycle rides: If I am hungry, a half hour before the workout, I eat a powerbar. I drink Gatorade diluted to 50% its normal strength during the exercise. I generally run out and switch to water in the later stages. I feel that extra carbos help me get through these long 2+ hour workouts. I eat good food high in carbos after all exercises, within 1/2 to 1 hour. My meals are quite varied and often include as many as 20 different food items, so I don’t worry about electrolyte replacement. It is all in there. Mark Hays | __o o California State Univ, Fresno | _`<; <|v
Thus spoke Adam Ornstein: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled [zap] "Researchers working with the ACSM determined that the maximum concentration of sugar, salt, and potassium in any sports fluid replacement beverage should be, for every 8 ounces of fluid, 5.9 grams of sugar, 55 milligrams of sodium, and 46 milligrams of potassium. This is a great deal less than what is to be found in sports drinks. Yet no more than this concentration of nutrients can be absorbed efficiently from your stomach and delivered efficiently to the areas of your body that require them." –Eat to Win, p. 104 Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. So what do folks in cyberland say? Is Hass right or wrong? Are there studies that have yielded results contrary to those cited by Hass? Have sports drinks significantly changed formulation since EAT TO WIN was published in 1983? I don’t have a position on this matter one way or the other, so please don’t flame me!
Greetings. Well, I Hass to agree 
I may not be a "runner", more of a "jogger", but I have a few hundred miles behind me (and it’s a big behind . In the beginning, I drank pure water. That’s great except that I heard on TV (the portal of truth that it is) that marathoners or cyclists eat lemons/citrus to promote saliva flow and prevent the dreaded dry mouth. So, I trashed the water and picked up "tart" fruit drinks. This was a BAAAD move. I was dizzy for the first few miles as the sugar was absorbed… then, just when I needed that _extra_ mental push to get over a hill in my route, the sugar was all used up and I CRASHED… Well, that was so little fun that I gave that up real quick. So, I’m back to water, with 2 teaspoons of "LoSalt" which is a mix of sodium and potassium – 50/50 I think, with a twist of lime to give the saliva a run for its money… I’m happy. Which reminds me, other than the flavor, does "citrus" really bring out the saliva? I have a feeling that, at least in my case, it’s more my brain at work than anything else…. BUT it DOES work. Take care. — | http://alpha.med.pitt.edu:9000 for new sci.electronics FAQ V2 & my home page | Enjoy your job, work within the law, make lots of money : Choose any two. | Making money with CS and spending it on EE, robotics, SCA, & dreams. NOT(PC)
I’m new to this newsgroup so forgive me if this topic has already been hashed through. . . Robert Hass, in his book EAT TO WIN, criticized commercial sports drinks as "sugar-laced and salt-loaded" beverages not helpful to athletic performance. He referred to carefully controlled scientific studies and research done at the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) finding sports drinks to be poor fluid and salt replacement beverages. "Researchers working with the ACSM determined that the maximum concentration of sugar, salt, and potassium in any sports fluid replacement beverage should be, for every 8 ounces of fluid, 5.9 grams of sugar, 55 milligrams of sodium, and 46 milligrams of potassium. This is a great deal less than what is to be found in sports drinks. Yet no more than this concentration of nutrients can be absorbed efficiently from your stomach and delivered efficiently to the areas of your body that require them." –Eat to Win, p. 104 Hass recommended drinking water, or, if one wants a sports drink, to mix 1 cup of water, 2 Tbsp o.j. and 1/3 tsp table salt. So what do folks in cyberland say? Is Hass right or wrong? Are there studies that have yielded results contrary to those cited by Hass? Have sports drinks significantly changed formulation since EAT TO WIN was published in 1983? I don’t have a position on this matter one way or the other, so please don’t flame me! Regards, Adam
What is the consensus of the group regarding the sports drinks on the market. My company just came out with a low osmolality drink they claim does not stimulate the kidneys. When I was running I would chug down a Gadorate and it would pass right through me before the run was over. Please respond to the group only Karl
Actually Gatorade has some sodium that helps retain the fluid. If you are drinking any beverage and then 10 minutes are urinating, it was the fluid that was already in you. How much sodium is in your company’s product?
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What is the consensus of the group regarding the sports drinks on the market. My company just came out with a low osmolality drink they claim does not stimulate the kidneys. When I was running I would chug down a Gadorate and it would pass right through me before the run was over.
Then you were probably are either drinking too much or too frequently. With a little practice you should be able to determine how much and how often you need to drink. Personally, 12oz every 20 minutes works well. If the weather’s cool, I may drink a little less. -Phil
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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlete » IM NZ & OZ questions
Thanks, Pete! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know the prevailing winds/temperatures and temp of lake Taupo? Lake Taupo is located over an active geothermal layer, so I can guess that the water temps are warm. The average temps for the venue are located here: http://www.laketaupo.tourism.co.nz/weather.html |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
www.ironmanoz.com All you need and 100 Hawaii slots as well
Does anybody know the dates and how many iq slots these races are offering for 1999? Any help is most appreciated. Thanks bunches. Ray
IMOZ will be held on 2 May and offers 100 IMH slots. IMNZ is on 7 March – but I’m not sure about the number of slots available. Something in the order of 75-80 I think. Todd says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know the dates and how many iq slots these races are offering for 1999? Any help is most appreciated.
IMOZ will be held on 2 May and offers 100 IMH slots. IMNZ is on 7 March – but I’m not sure about the number of slots available. Something in the order of 75-80 I think.
Try http://www.ironman.co.nz/ Todd says… Does anybody know the dates and how many iq slots these races are offering for 1999? Any help is most appreciated.
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IMNZ is on 7 March – but I’m not sure about the number of slots available. Something in the order of 75-80 I think.
It’s March 6th (yes, a Saturday). There are 70 IMH slots. – Art
Does anybody know the prevailing winds/temperatures and temp of lake Taupo? Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IMNZ is on 7 March – but I’m not sure about the number of slots available. Something in the order of 75-80 I think. It’s March 6th (yes, a Saturday). There are 70 IMH slots. – Art
Does anybody know the prevailing winds/temperatures and temp of lake Taupo?
Lake Taupo is located over an active geothermal layer, so I can guess that the water temps are warm. The average temps for the venue are located here: http://www.laketaupo.tourism.co.nz/weather.html |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » Experienced athlete and New triathlete looking for tri training tips
I’m a former 2:30 marathoner with one season of tri’s under my belt. In my first season I had several top 10 finishes mostly as a result of my running strength. I am looking to be very competitive this coming season. How much emphasis should I be placing on my training for each respective phase of the triathlon? I will be racing 3-4 International distance and 1 half-ironman this season and gearing up for an ironman length race for 1999. I typically average 12 workouts per week which consist of 35 mi/wk running, 100 mi./wk cycling (mostly on bike trainer this winter), and 8-10,000 yds/wk. swimming. Thanks
I’m a former 2:30 marathoner with one season of tri’s under my belt. In my first season I had several top 10 finishes mostly as a result of my running strength. I am looking to be very competitive this coming season. How much emphasis should I be placing on my training for each respective phase of the triathlon? I will be racing 3-4 International distance and 1 half-ironman this season and gearing up for an ironman length race for 1999. I typically average 12 workouts per week which consist of 35 mi/wk running, 100 mi./wk cycling (mostly on bike trainer this winter), and 8-10,000 yds/wk. swimming. Thanks
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I posted a few months ago with a queury about pain in my inside heel. Based on the replies that I got, I think the problem was an inflammation of the tissue that connects the heel to the toes. I was finally able to cure the problem with new (& well-cushioned) shoes, two weeks of rest (some walking, no running), ice after each walk & initially after each run when I started back, starting back slowly, ibuprofin. Then, before Christmas, I was running on a level road & suddenly felt a very sharp pain in my ankle, on the outside just below & slightly to the back of the boney part. The ankle never twisted at all; the pain just started on one perfectly mild-mannered down step. Further running was out of the question–I could walk but only gingerly. As soon as I cooled down, the ankle stiffened but never swelled. I tried to run once after 2 weeks & made matters worse– now almost 3 weeks later, I definately get the impression that running is not a good idea. The first question is what the devil I managed to do to myself. The second question is whether there could be a dietary deficiency or other problem that is causing my ligaments to be injury-prone (I also injured something in the back of my hand late last Fall, an injury that was attributed to too much computer work). I don’t eat red meat & eat chicken no more than 2-3 times a week; I don’t drink much milk but eat lots of cheese; I don’t eat eggs at all; I usually take some sort of vitamin with iron as otherwise I tend towards mild anemia. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help,
A simple but effective exercise for the ankles will help in greatly reducing your chances of ankle sprains. The exercise: Stand with feet in normal standing position. Place a hand on a wall or a railing for a little balance. Now, ‘roll’ your feet around on their ‘outer edges’. Repeat 50 times. (‘Rolling on the outer edges’ means to tilt your feet as far outward and inward (supination and pronation) as possible but inbetween rock forward on your the balls of your feet and back on your heels.) The major benefit is the stretching and strengthening on the muscles and tendons which keep your foot stable as you run. If I am fairly consistent with this exercise, instead of rolling my ankle and spraining it when I run, if I hit an uneven surface, my foot will roll out, but since it is stretched it can go farther and since it is strengthened it can pull back up easier, and I hardly ever sprain an ankle any more. Mike Dotseth "WOW FUN WOW" /_ "They call me Lucky. The harder I work, the luckier I get!" | - Kenton Finanger (Luther College Cross Country Coach)
In my experience, most doctors and most runners don’t take severe ankle sprains seriously enough. With most sprains, you partially tear ligaments. If you go back to walking on it too soon, and even worse running on it, the ligament heals back longer than it was. This means the joint is looser, and more prone to rolling over in the future. Severe sprains take six weeks to heal. Running on them before that dooms you to more sprains in the future. The best treatment is to put the ankle in a cast with the foot held in a position such that the ligament heals back the right length. However, most doctors take the attitude of no break, no cast. I had a series of sprains which were taken too lightly. Then I had a major one that completely severed the ligament on the outside of the ankle. I was given the choice of surgery or physical therapy. I chose to avoid the knife. That ankle is now fine for running. It is stable front to back but completely floppy side to side. It rolls over easily, but since the ligament is gone, there is no pain; I just fall. Sometimes I fall down just talking to someone; I shift my weight, the ankle rolls over, and down I go. If I wanted to continue playing basketball, I would have had to have the surgery, but running is enough for me at this point in my life. So, try to talk the doctor into casting a sprained ankle. If you can’t, follow the R.I.C.E religiosly and use your crutches; no weight at all on it for a couple weeks at least. And then, don’t try to go back to running on it for 6 weeks. — 3531 Boelter Hall day: 310 206-8696 Department of Computer Science University of California Los Angeles, 90024-1596
Two questions: a. How to prevent them? b. What to do when you get them?
As I’ve been a fairly serious orienteer for the last 17 years (since I was 10) and I’ve been running hill-races for several years, I’ve twisted my ankles umpteen times, and so have my running friends. The taping techniques (below) are those used by Scandinavian orienteers. Initial treatment – ICE – ice, compression and elevation. If necessary, stick your foot in a stream or pond. If you are at home, apply an ice-pack. If you don’t have an ice-pack, use a pack of frozen vegetables (peas are good), but don’t eat repeatedly refrozen food. Bandage the ankle. Ibuprofen seems effective, but I have only recently started using it, and I haven’t done myself much damage recently. Over a longer term you want to develop strength, flexibility and protective reflexes in your ankles. For flexibility, with bare feet, circle your toes in clockwise and anticlockwise directions. After doing this for several turns you can use your hands to *gently* increase the degree of flexion. For strength, try standing on one leg. Once you develop enough balance to not wobble much, try it with your eyes shut and arms folded. The idea is that you should be wobbling about. This also helps to train your muscles to act correctly to support your ankles. You can also do this on a "wobble board" – a board raised off the ground, that you can stand on and wobble as you try to balance. Purpose made wobble boards are usually circular, with a hemispherical block of wood underneath, about 5-6 inches (12-15cm) tall, but they are easy to improvise. Running on rough surfaces will also increase the strength and flexibility of your ankles, but most importantly they will train your muscles to react correctly to twisting in order to protect your ankles. However, you don’t want to twist your ankles doing it, so take it slowly. Off-road shoes should not have thick wedges in the soles, or flared midsoles. You want your foot to be close to the ground. Your heels must be snuggly held in the shoe for stability. Studded soles will help. If you really need to protect your ankle when running you can tape it for support. Get wide (2in, 5cm) strapping tape. Shave the offending ankle a fair way up the leg. Strapping doesn’t work well on hairy legs, and it hurts like hell getting the stuff off. You should tape in a stirrup under the heel, with the ends of the tape going a hands- spread up the calf from the ankle, on both sides. This tape should be fairly taut. A loop of tape around the calf will help keep the tape in place, but don’t make this too tight. You can also put a piece of tape over the top of the foot, behind the heel and back over the foot, crossing itself. This gives support if your foot is forced backwards as you move forwards. Leg —— | | |||||| | ## | ## $$ Big Foot ! ###### |##$$| | ## | and | ## | | ## | $$ ## | ## | $/—# |_##___Foot__| $___/# # and $ = tape $$$## TAPE AS INFREQUENTLY AS POSSIBLE ! If you strap you ankles all the time they won’t get stronger and your muscles won’t learn to react to the signals from the nerves which monitor your ankle movements. The only exception to this is if you have destroyed the proprioceptive nerves in your ankle due to repeated damage. In this case light taping in a stirrup will give a signal (by pulling on the skin) when your ankle is flexed that you can learn to use instead. I hope this helps some of you with ankle problems. Steve. — / __/ _ /|/ _/ Centre for Speech Technology Research / _ | / and Department of Linguistics, / __/ __ / _/
the first thing is to put a bandage pretty tight around it to prevent inner bleedings. Keep it on for 30 minutes, keep your foot high, and put ice on it. Remove it to get the blood flowing again, and then put it on again for another 30 minutes, keep your foot high and keep the ice there. Then you tape your ankle after a very intricate schedule, and you can start training again, not the same level, but very soft…
RICE: Rest Ice Compression Elevation — Brooklyn NY usa Design & Consultation
Two questions: a. How to prevent them?
Don’t run on areas where hidden objects could flip your foot. Your injury in the dark cannot be avoided if you can’t see where your stepping. I’ve had several ankle injuries and now take much greater precautions. Watch out for leaves covering rocks, roots, holes. Ankle stretching helps abit but a violent twist will still cause serious injury. Shoes with wider soles/heels are more stable than other types. Running when tired makes one more susceptible to twists. b. What to do when you get them? Oh yes, the swelling has come down a bit and the ugly, blue bruise has begun to show up. I can see the blue best on the inside of the ankle, though the discoleration has spread to the top and outside of the ankle.
If your foot is stuck in a comfortable but unnatural position I would recommend seeing an orthopedist. The degree of bruising makes me reminisce about a sprain I got on a chunk of ice in the road. My ankle swelled up to the aprox size of a small baseball or large golf ball, almost immediately. I didn’t use the ice I stepped on, but a nearby piece to ice it up on the spot. After 3 days of hoping it would get better I got tired of all my friends telling me I better go see a doctor– so I did. (I got used to gingerly hopping around so I entered the office with a lot of energy). The doctor took the x-rays, told me I had no breaks, just tendon/ligament damage (the bruising up the side of my calf), and proceeded to force my ankle back into a normal position (instep aprox 90deg to shin). He told me to hold this position while he wrapped my foot in a cast. It was fairly painful but I figured I only had to hold it for a few more moments. When he told me I could relax, I was a bit suprised to find that I couldn’t as the cast prevent- ed me from returning to my non-painful position. Remember how I hopped into the office? Well, getting out was another story. Ten pounds of new mass on one side of my body (happily I forget which side), and new crutches, while cringing in pain, the other patients in various stages of broken-ness, probably had a bit of catharsis-like glee in seeing me, practically careen out through the waiting room. I came in through the waiting room in aprox 15 secs; to took me aprox 3 minutes to get out! This is not to scare you or deter you from seeing the doctor. Your injury is probably not as bad as this, but if you do have to go, at least you will be a bit more mentally prepared than I was. — Brooklyn NY usa Design & Consultation
Two questions: a. How to prevent them? b. What to do when you get them?
the first thing is to put a bandage pretty tight around it to prevent inner bleedings. Keep it on for 30 minutes, keep your foot high, and put ice on it. Remove it to get the blood flowing again, and then put it on again for another 30 minutes, keep your foot high and keep the ice there. Then you tape your ankle after a very intricate schedule, and you can start training again, not the same level, but very soft… How to prevent them? Run on a track or on asphalt, and not in the woods.. Department of Physics, University of Stockholm — Sweden (Northern Europe)
Two questions: a. How to prevent them? b. What to do when you get them? These two questions are the result of my most recent sprain. It seems that I sprain one or the other of my ankles every 6 months or so. This most recent sprain occured on Friday evening (in the cold dark, of course) as I was cranking back to home. A little rock or bulge in the road caused the outer edge of my left foot to twist down and in. I twinge just remembering it. This is the usual type of sprain. Something on the inside of the foot prevents it from landing normally and causes the outside of the foot to twist down and in. After the usual cursing, screaming, etc, I was able to hop/hobble the 1/2 mile or so back to the house. My ankle was already swelling by the time I took of my shoe. First thing was to take 3*200mg of ibuprofin, take a shower (’cause I was freezing), and then I put one of those cold jelly-like bags around my ankle. Since Friday night, I’ve taken 200 or 400mg of ibuprofin every 4 hours or so and I’ve given up the jelly-like bag for a big bowl of ice and water at about the same interval. I try to keep my ankle/foot in the ice water for 10/15 minutes (hurts like hell to put the foot in, but that gives way to numbness in 2/3 minutes). And I’ve kept the walking down to a minimum – though 4 football games on TV was a bit much. Oh yes, the swelling has come down a bit and the ugly, blue bruise has begun to show up. I can see the blue best on the inside of the ankle, though the discoleration has spread to the top and outside of the ankle. So, any suggestions on treatment (ice pack, jelly wrap, ice/water, times of freezing, ibuprofin vs asperin, elevating, wraps, etc….) and on prevention (goofy exercises, stretches, shoes, braces, wraps, etc….) would be greatly appreciated! I will post the results of these questions. — Joseph Stewart Senior Applications Engineer (FIGARO+, FIGt, FIGraph) Template Graphics Software (TGS) 959 Concord Street Framingham MA 01701-4613 (USA) 508-872-8700 x340
Thanks Mark. It’s an interesting article. When I was doing the one legged exercise I felt like I was on an episode of Cops doing a sobriety test. It works though !!
Unique problem here folks, I think. In a running career that has spanned approx 15 years now, I have completely torn/sprained each ankle about 3 or 4 times each. You know, the old complete inversion where the sole of the foot is 90 degrees to the ground pointing inward and all the weight is coming down on it. Part of the problem is that I like to do a lot of trail running, which is where it most often happens. I’d have a hard time giving up the trails. My fear is that I’ve incurred irreparable damage making it easier to sprain in the future. Any advice on prevention or treatment ?? Jack.
Have you looked at October’s Runner’s World? It has a section on trail running, including an overview of trail shoes. They make the statement that it is nearly impossible to sprain/twist your ankles in the latest shoes. Seems pretty bold to me, but…
I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
I would get an x-ray. It could be broken. Swelling is not always present in fractures. Good luck! Let us know what you find out. April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
When I ’sprained’ my ankle, it was about 6 weeks before I could walk normal again. It turned out to be a cracked bone, but either way, there was nothing a doctor could do, other then take an x-ray, charge me a lot of money and tell me to use an ace bandage and crutches until it felt better again. To this day, about 15 years later, my ankle is still enlarged. The swelling never did return to normal size.
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Having sprained both ankles at various times, I recommend that you do a lot of balancing exercises, or else it *WILL* keep recurring. Mark.
: I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I : heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle : sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For : all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. : Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I : can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a : second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. : Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal : on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can : walk again? I’d appreciate any advice. If you haven’t had an x-ray taken by the time you read this, you are dumber than I thought. Larry
Well, what are you waiting for ?? GO !!! Edward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
Simple question: Simple answer… Have an X-ray.. Then go from there.. Good luck Bill… return with a post…group would like to know.
Thank you all for the suggestions; they’ve been very helpful. I’ll have the ankle diagnosed if it doesn’t get significantly better by tomorrow. I do have the full (albeit painful) range of motion on my foot though, which I think is a good sign. Again, I appreciate all the advice I got from these posts. Alvin
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Sorry to hear about your accident. I constantly get nightmares about twisting my ankle because at the moment you do it, it can be one of the most painful things which leaves a lasting memory that you just don’t forget. It will certainly ruin any training momentum you had going. Your popping sound worries me and I think you should go have it checked. How long it takes to recover depends on how badly you twisted it. I stepped on a rock a couple of weeks ago and twisted my ankle. It really stung badly but it was only a moderate sprain and so after about 10 minutes of walking, I began running again slightly favoring the ankle. The next day I could pretty much run normally again. I was extremely lucky. Other times ankle sprains have taken me three months to recover. I also highly advise staying off of trails unless they are smooth and even which most trails aren’t. This is especially the case if you are running fast. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
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Simple question: Simple answer… Have an X-ray.. Then go from there.. Good luck Bill… return with a post…group would like to know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
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Yes and some dummies run to the Doctor at every little thing . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I : heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle : sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For : all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. : Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I : can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a : second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. : Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal : on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can : walk again? I’d appreciate any advice. If you haven’t had an x-ray taken by the time you read this, you are dumber than I thought. Larry
I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops
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I sprained my ankle 20th May and this is the first week when I’ve been able to run again. You should wait until you can hop 3-4 times without any pain and then start running slow and easy. Remember.. it’s better to let it heal completely.. I tried to go running just after 2 weeks and I resprained my ankle. I could’ve probably been able to run again sooner if I wouldn’t have resprained the ankle earlier on. —
I think that a trip to the Chiropractor might be in order . You get an X-ray , you see someone trained in bones , and if it is only a sprain , you get help . If it shows that it is broken , then you go to the appropriate type of medical help for broken bones { M. D. or Ostio. In my rarely humble opinion . T – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, what are you waiting for ?? GO !!! Edward I twisted my ankle badly when I accidentally stepped into a ditch. I heard a couple of loud pops before I fell down… I think it’s an ankle sprain, but I’m not sure (since I’ve never been injured before). For all I know, it could be a strained or even a broken ankle. Anyway, it’s been 36 hours and I still can’t stand, let alone walk. I can’t put any pressure at all on this ankle, not even for half a second. There’s no swelling/bruises/discoloration. Should I see a doctor for this, or can I just bandage it & let it heal on its own? How long do these kinds of ankle sprains last before I can walk again? I’d appreciate any advice.
I am an avid runner (14 years of great mileage) who can’t stand not being able to run. I’m addicted to it. I recently sprained my ankle (about a week ago) and I can’t run on it. What is the fastest way to get it healed up so I can get back to running again?
Check out a site called `sports medicine online’. Unfortunatly I don’t have there address but your search engine should find it. You’ll find lots of helpful exercises. Also, the usual advice I’ve read is what they call RICE. R-rest I-ice C-constrict E-elevate. Good Luck, Ankle sprains are a bastard. Anthony.
I am an avid runner (14 years of great mileage) who can’t stand not being able to run. I’m addicted to it. I recently sprained my ankle (about a week ago) and I can’t run on it. What is the fastest way to get it healed up so I can get back to running again?Depends on the severity of the sprain.
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Take my advice, let it heal. I twisted mine in April playing basketball (never again) and it is still slightly swollen. It still swells a little on runs longer than 7 miles, it doesn’t hurt bad enough to quit running just enough to irritate me. You should ice for the first two days until the swelling stops, then switch to heat. Doing ankle exercises will help: Draw the alphabet with your foot, do calf stretches. Wear a brace if you have to for your daily walking around and running if it is comfortable. Heal now or pay latter—- I’m paying latter. — TRIATHLON 3 TIMES THE FUN IF YOU HAVE TO DRAFT—TAKE UP A DIFFERENT SPORT!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am an avid runner (14 years of great mileage) who can’t stand not being able to run. I’m addicted to it. I recently sprained my ankle (about a week ago) and I can’t run on it. What is the fastest way to get it healed up so I can get back to running again?Depends on the severity of the sprain. — Dennis Kiper, D.P.M. 800-DR KIPER http://www.liberty.com/home/footdoc
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Training » Suggestions for a 5K beginner?
I also do limited bike riding and swimming laps but should I be focusing on just doing the distance or building endurance? Sorry to throw out so many questions all at once. Thanks in advance for your input.
You should keep the cross training as part of your routine. Also your goal sounds very reasonable. Also all of Mike Tennent’s advice is excellent. I would add that one of your primary goals through the race should be to have fun and be good to yourself. Please keep us posted on your progress. Good luck. Lisa Ciolino
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I’m a 5k racer and the best way to prepare for the 5k is through hard intense training. Marathoners and 10kers need more long slow training, but the 5k is too short to train like that. Do a LOT OF SPEEDWORK. Sprints, hills, stadium steps, 220s 440s and 880s done 2-3 times a week WILL DRASITICALLY BRING DOWN YOUR TIME. On your easy days go ahead and run slow and long. YOU DO NOT NEED A STRONG AEROBIC BASE FOR THE 5K. Raw Army and Marine recruits can usually do a 5K in 18:00-20:00 minutes after only about 9 weeks of training. Also try and add some weightlifting. It will strenghten the legs, which is needed for the 5K. REMEMBER: INTENSE SPEEDWORK.
Good grief. I hope you didn’t do that on purpose. The question was from a beginner who isn’t close to trying any kind of speedwork. Your "advice" is downright dangerous and way out of line for that level runner. I’ll assume you misread or misinterpreted the post. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html
I’m a 5k racer and the best way to prepare for the 5k is through hard intense training. Marathoners and 10kers need more long slow training, but the 5k is too short to train like that. Do a LOT OF SPEEDWORK. Sprints, hills, stadium steps, 220s 440s and 880s done 2-3 times a week WILL DRASITICALLY BRING DOWN YOUR TIME. On your easy days go ahead and run slow and long. YOU DO NOT NEED A STRONG AEROBIC BASE FOR THE 5K. Raw Army and Marine recruits can usually do a 5K in 18:00-20:00 minutes after only about 9 weeks of training. Also try and add some weightlifting. It will strenghten the legs, which is needed for the 5K. REMEMBER: INTENSE SPEEDWORK.
I agree with MMARQ {I was not sure I ever would }, but (there is always a "but), establish a strong aerobic base and fitness level BEFORE adding speedwork. Speedwork can be very draining on newbies and can be a turn off. I think that adding speed too fast(before a good base is developed) may lead to an increased risk of injury. Since the person is just beginning, he/she will get faster just by running. without the speedwork. 5000m runners train much like milers these days; the weight training is good for overall fitness and delaying the loss of lean muscle mass later in life.
I recently started wallking/running with a pace of about 14 minutes per mile about 2-3 times a week on a treadmill. I realize this is pretty slow but I’m intrigued by the idea of becoming good enough (assuming I don’t loose interest) to run in a 5K race and finishing with a reasonably good time, maybe in the 36 – 40 minutes range?? With that in mind I guess I have 2 questions. 1) How many months or weeks should I plan to train for something like this? Could I be ready for this near the end of May or should I expect it to take longer?? I think that you can be ready to run by the end ofMay
since you are taking it slow. See if you can do a 5 minute jog alternated with a 5 minute walk for 30 minutes and work up to running for the 30 minutes. IMHO, it is more important to get out there and participate, especaially early in your running career than it is to worry about time. Since you did not state your age,I would suggest if you ahve not been active in a while, consult with a doctor before anything strenuous. 2) I notice lots of questions posted about marathon training and suggestions for books to look at for marathon training but I don’t see anything for smaller length races. Should I look at marathon training books and just scale the suggestions/times appropriately?
Ignore the marathon stuff. Check out past issues of Runner’s World that often have plans for first races. I think that if you can run 2 miles in training without too much difficulty, you can FINISH a 5K. I also do limited bike riding and swimming laps but should I be focusing on just doing the distance or building endurance? Sorry to throw out so many questions all at once. Thanks in advance for your input.
Cross training is great for overall fitness and, IMHO, for keeping most people feeling fresh and excited about exercise. The rule of specificity states that to become a better runner, you need to run. If it is not causing too much strain on your body, mind and personal life keep doing all three. Good luck and let us know how you are doing and how the race goes. I for one like to hear about new runners getting hooked!
I recently started wallking/running with a pace of about 14 minutes per mile about 2-3 times a week on a treadmill. I realize this is pretty slow but I’m intrigued by the idea of becoming good enough (assuming I don’t loose interest) to run in a 5K race and finishing with a reasonably good time, maybe in the 36 – 40 minutes range?? With that in mind I guess I have 2 questions. 1) How many months or weeks should I plan to train for something like this? Could I be ready for this near the end of May or should I expect it to take longer?? 2) I notice lots of questions posted about marathon training and suggestions for books to look at for marathon training but I don’t see anything for smaller length races. Should I look at marathon training books and just scale the suggestions/times appropriately? I also do limited bike riding and swimming laps but should I be focusing on just doing the distance or building endurance? Sorry to throw out so many questions all at once. Thanks in advance for your input.
I recently started wallking/running with a pace of about 14 minutes per mile about 2-3 times a week on a treadmill. I realize this is pretty slow but I’m intrigued by the idea of becoming good enough (assuming I don’t loose interest) to run in a 5K race and finishing with a reasonably good time, maybe in the 36 – 40 minutes range?? With that in mind I guess I have 2 questions. 1) How many months or weeks should I plan to train for something like this? Could I be ready for this near the end of May or should I expect it to take longer??
Your goal sounds pretty reasonable. You didn’t mention how long your present treadmill workouts were… If you can get them up to 30 minutes each – all jogging, you’ll have no problem. You’ll definitely have to get out on the road, tho. (I assume you’re inside waiting for good weather.) The classic method for beginning running is the jog/walk method. Jog til you’re out of breath, then walk til recovered, then jog again, repeat. Rest a day, do again. Work these up gradually over a few weeks until you’re jogging the whole time, with each workout finally reaching 30 minutes in length. 2) I notice lots of questions posted about marathon training and suggestions for books to look at for marathon training but I don’t see anything for smaller length races. Should I look at marathon training books and just scale the suggestions/times appropriately?
I have a "New Runner’s" section on my web page with a FAQ and links to some good sites. Don’t try to scale a marathon schedule down. There are specific ones out there. I also do limited bike riding and swimming laps but should I be focusing on just doing the distance or building endurance?
By all means, continue the cross training on your non-running days. Who knows, maybe a triathlon is in there somewhere? Sorry to throw out so many questions all at once. Thanks in advance for your input.
No apology needed, they were very good questions. Let us know how you do. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html
I recently started wallking/running with a pace of about 14 minutes per mile about 2-3 times a week on a treadmill. I realize this is pretty slow but I’m intrigued by the idea of becoming good enough (assuming I don’t loose interest) to run in a 5K race and finishing with a reasonably good time,
maybe in the 36 – 40 minutes range?? With that in mind I guess I have 2 questions. 1) How many months or weeks should I plan to train for something like this? Could I be ready for this near the end of May or should I expect it
to take longer?? Once a weekend go out and walk a 5 K (3.1 miles). At a 15 min place that’s about 45+ minutes. Now you can play with the 5 K by each weekend, running a little until you need to walk…or walk with a few minutes of running in between. That way you are not worried about the race. I would use the 5K race as a time when you get to see where you are on that day. It’s a nice way to measure yourself without getting caught up in improving to to point of mentally or physically injuring yourself…i.e. running to help live life more fully. 2) I notice lots of questions posted about marathon training and
suggestions for books to look at for marathon training but I don’t see anything for smaller length races. Should I look at marathon training books and just scale
the suggestions/times appropriately? Get some of George Sheehan’s books on running. They’ll help you keep on running as part of your lifestyle Some other random books: Running and Racing After 35: Allan Lawrence and Mark Scheid Complete guide to Running Jim Alford et al; Jog, Run, Race by Joe Henderson; Galloway’s Book on Running by Jeff Galloway. These are a few of the many. I’d go to a used book store and find some there…even Jim Fixx’s book is good I also do limited bike riding and swimming laps but should I be focusing on just doing the distance or building endurance? Sorry to throw out so
many questions all at once. Thanks in advance for your input. If you are cross training, then I’d imagine that you can do the distance already. Actually you know you can walk the distance. The issue is getting faster and enjoying the ride, ummmmmm "run." — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
I’m a 5k racer and the best way to prepare for the 5k is through hard intense training. Marathoners and 10kers need more long slow training, but the 5k is too short to train like that. Do a LOT OF SPEEDWORK. Sprints, hills, stadium steps, 220s 440s and 880s done 2-3 times a week WILL DRASITICALLY BRING DOWN YOUR TIME. On your easy days go ahead and run slow and long. YOU DO NOT NEED A STRONG AEROBIC BASE FOR THE 5K. Raw Army and Marine recruits can usually do a 5K in 18:00-20:00 minutes after only about 9 weeks of training. Also try and add some weightlifting. It will strenghten the legs, which is needed for the 5K. REMEMBER: INTENSE SPEEDWORK.
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » SF Chronicle Sports Section – USELESS
I know a lot of people kind of mock any coverage of Daryl Haley but it should be noted, as so many of these posts prove, that even the major triathlons are apt not to get any coverage at all. As unfair as it may seem to the die-hard tri-geeks, the attention directed at Haley is better than the alternative — none at all — and furthermore rubs off on the sport in general, helping it grow in stature to the general population and leading to more participation and interest.
Ditto. It would be great if we could get several *famous* Tour de France cyclists, world-class runners and more Olympic swimmers to do this event as well. OBTW, by several, I mean like a dozen… W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D. _- -_ Los Alamos National Lab -__ __- / cis: 72410,3372 /
I can’t believe it. One of the most exciting Ironmans ever, for both the men and the women, and this bleeping rag can’t print a word about it. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Not even in the "Sports Digest" section where they condescend to print brief paragraphs about other "fringe" sports. The Examiner printed nothing about it on Sunday, either. There are pages and pages and pages about college football, pro football, even prep and JC football, but they couldn’t spare a couple inches of column space for the premier endurance event in all of sports. I’m sorry, this just makes me sick. Were major newspapers in other parts of the country as myopic? I hope at least the NY Times managed a paragraph or two. Thank god for the ‘Net! I wouldn’t have known a damned thing about the race until either the TV broadcast or in 2 months when the Tri rags finally publish their Ironman stories. For all its warts, I’m still exceedingly grateful to Outside/Triathlete for their "live" coverage. I was glued to my computer for a good part of the day Saturday. My biggest complaint was their callousness in cutting the reports abruptly short after Paula crossed the line. I was going crazy wondering if she was ok, yet there was no additional information forthcoming. Many, many thanks to Paul Huddle for easing the concern I’m sure many of us were feeling. It would have been nice, too, to hear more about the "other" racers. As usual, however, the coverage stopped as soon as the pros did. And, they have yet to publish any sort of comprehensive summary of the race; their coverage really did just STOP when the race did. I swear, we need to start our *own* tri rag, written by, for, and about age groupers, the real bread and butter of the sport. The existing publications don’t seem to give a damn what the age groupers *want*. Oh well, at least we have RST, and that’s nothin’ to sneeze at! Sorry to ramble on so! TriBaby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - /
Regarding Haley: I agree, I think it is great that he did the Ironman, and deserves all the media coverage he can get. It helps make the sport bigger, and the financial pie for the sport bigger. Triathlon needs all the help it can get. Diana McLaughlin
The Arizona Republic ran one piture and one story line– both on a retired NFL player who finished in over 16 hrs. Pat Q. , Phoenix
I can’t believe it. One of the most exciting Ironmans ever, for both the men and the women, and this bleeping rag can’t print a word about it. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. Not even in the "Sports Digest" section where they condescend to print brief paragraphs about other "fringe" sports. The Examiner printed nothing about it on Sunday, either. There are pages and pages and pages about college football, pro football, even prep and JC football, but they couldn’t spare a couple inches of column space for the premier endurance event in all of sports. Sorry to ramble on so! TriBaby
Well, I must say you missed the small (and I mean small) little summary in the Examiner’s Sports Roundup or whatever they call it. In fact I read the results there before hitting the computer because I was gone all day. Also, you can;t really blame the Chronical for not having any coverage: they don’t put out a Sunday edition (where I live anyway). I don’t think any paper prints results even from pro sports that was not the day before. Anyway, it was in there. myke — Tellmesomethingidontknowtellmesomethingicanusepushthebuttonconnectthegoddam ndots
writes: If it’s any consolation, the coverage in New York was no better. In my area (Buffalo/Rochester/Finger Lakes) the local sports writers have to have the damn copy written *for them* by one of the wire services! Augie Calabrese
After participating in running events for years I came to the conclusion that the people who sit around and watch football all afternoon like to sit around all afternoon and read about it. The runners who didn’t get the race coverage just went out for a run instead of sitting around all afternoon complaining to the editor about coverage. Until runners and triathletes write or call the newspapers and convince them they’ll sell more papers which include coverage, they won’t. The SF Examiner, like the Chronicle continually fails to post results of large Bay Area races. It has been my idea that if I set up a booth at large races with postcards addressed to the local paper with a request already typed on it pertaining to more and better coverage, this might help. And as long as the glory of running in track, roadracing, crosscountry, and triathlons is kept hidden in specialty magazines and word of mouth, the many benefits and satisfactions derived from such will continue to elude the general lazy public:-) just my .02 Chris "Crash" the Cab Don’t drive any faster than your Guardian Angel can fly — EVERYONE DIES, BUT NOT EVERYONE LIVES
After reading all these posts about the incredible dearth of Ironman coverage I rushed to my local Sunday paper (the Los Angeles Times) thinking SURELY it would have SOMETHING- the sports section is 22 pages!! Well, way down at the bottom of pg 19 in pass-me-the-magnifying-glass-I-think-I’m-going-blind print, two inches of just the bare facts– top 10 male finishers with times and top 5 female finishers with times (sexist or what?). Mind you, I never read the paper anyway- it can make you suicidal to read the LATimes- but I am truly shocked by the lack of coverage, especially in such a major paper. Didn’t check out Monday, though. I am extremely new to this sport and before I got started never knew anyone involved in it either, never even had any tangential contact to it, but even I knew that the Hawaii Ironman was a major event and the people who race in it are awe inspiring. I’ve got to believe that others out there would be interested in seeing coverage whether or not they knew it was happening ahead of time. Has it always been this way? Roxanne
The London Times managed a short paragraph and a photo in its monday sports section. Gave top 5 male/female + brief description. In the results section there was also the ITU Auckland results. Considering the recent coverage of the Bath Tri (+ national TV) and the coverage of the Nice long course, the sports editor should be congratulated. Unfortuately, I don’t know his email address. timbo
I think Bob Babbitt was right, we’re barking up the wrong tree. We should be calling in to the Gary Radnich Show, or calling the newspapers and *telling* them what they’re (we’re) missing, preferably in advance. Kurian Davis
JJ and Kurian are right, I guess it’s up to us to press the media to cover the events we’re interested in. Quite frankly, though, it hadn’t even *occurred* to me before the Ironman that the Chronicle would be totally ignoring the event. It would have seemed incredibly presumptuous to me to call them up and say, "Hey, you’re doing a story on the Ironman, aren’t you??" Then, too, it would also be presumptuous to offer to write something up for them when you were going to be nowhere near Kona on the day of the race! Hmmm, maybe it *is* time for a career change…. p.s. …and yes, JJ, I know, personal race reports wouldn’t cut it in "the real world"! TriBaby – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - /
I can’t believe it. One of the most exciting Ironmans ever, for both the men and the women, and this bleeping rag can’t print a word about it. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. snip I’m sorry, this just makes me sick. Were major newspapers in other parts of the country as myopic? I hope at least the NY Times managed a paragraph or two. <<
For all you aspiring sports writers out there, next year try contacting the sports editor and request to submit a short reportwith results to meet the paper’s deadline. They might be interested and even pay you. You will have to be concise and fast– and not be a cheerleader. You will have to meet the paper’s style guidelines. Meaning, the narrative race reports popular here on rst won’t cut it. Also if there is a local angle, a local pro triathlete or top age grouper, this will interest the editors. My first paying writing assignments were with the SF Chronicle and the San Jose Mercury newspapers. Both were about triathlons. I wrote the sports editors a letter about the sport and what I wanted to do. They accepted it. I swear, we need to start our *own* tri rag, written by, for, and about age groupers, the real bread and butter of the sport. The existing publications don’t seem to give a damn what the age groupers *want*. Oh well, at least we have RST, and that’s nothin’ to sneeze at!<<
I think you do have a tri rag right here. Though everything on rst isn’t accurate or objective. It’s freedom of speech, freedom of the press etc. It’s nice to have a forum for ideas without having negative business/economic pressure. — JJ
If it’s any consolation, the coverage in New York was no better. In my area (Buffalo/Rochester/Finger Lakes) the local sports writers have to have the damn copy written *for them* by one of the wire services! Augie Calabrese
I think Bob Babbitt was right, we’re barking up the wrong tree. We should be calling in to the Gary Radnich Show, or calling the newspapers and *telling* them what they’re (we’re) missing, preferably in advance.
Another effective method is to write a short letter to one of the local sports writers about doing a story on a local tri star, pro or age group. List the person’s accomplishments and why it would be a good story. If a race is coming up with this person it it, all the better. Follow it up with a positive phone call, a few weeks later (before the event). I did this with San Jose pro triathlete Krista Whelan in 1989 and my masters swim club in Palo Alto. Whelan got a big color photo and story in the SJ Mercury amd my masters group (traithletes) got a story and photo in the now-defunct Palo Alto Times. (Both were written by the paper’s staff writers.) Newspaper writers like good stories. But they are too stressed out and busy to find out the more obscure stuff. Give them a lead. If you just call up and harrass them, you might feel better, but you won’t make much progress. Do you think a big newspaper really cares if a few hundred triathletes are dissapointed in its Ironman coverage? The Ironman is already OLD news to them. Tri-Baby writes;
Then, too, it would also be presumptuous to offer to write something up for them when you were going to be nowhere near Kona on the day of the race!<<
You don”t have to be in Kona. If you know the sport, can write in newspaper style and obtain no BS, verifiable facts, times and results (newspapers don’t like mistakes) you can write a short report. I doubt if it’ll be front page, but it could make the sports section. I bet the Ironman even has the ability to transmit color photos if the arrangements are made in advance. Hmmm, maybe it *is* time for a career change….
If you like long hours, tight deadlines, major stress and low pay–go for it. — JJ
I couldn’t agree more. It almost brought tears to my eyes to realize that high school football means more to Bay area sports fans than one of the toughest athletic challenges known to humankind… For the record, the San Jose Mercury wrote a couple of paragraphs about the race on page 2 (Sunday) and included a photo of a female competitor on her bike with a bagel stuffed down her top… Excuse me while I go retch. Patrick Goebel | voice: (415) 321-2052 —— __o CASBS/GCN/VeloNet | fax: (415) 321-1192 ——- _`<,_ 202 Junipero Serra Blvd. | —- (*)/ (*) Stanford, CA 94305 | High Speed Digital Commuter http://cycling.org | Gweebe in ‘95 – Ironman in 2000
Yup. Not a word in the Mercury News either. The Chron even had individual swim, bike and running event results, too! And just look at all the local angles! I think Bob Babbitt was right, we’re barking up the wrong tree. We should be calling in to the Gary Radnich Show, or calling the newspapers and *telling* them what they’re (we’re) missing, preferably in advance. Kurian Davis
I couldn’t agree more. It almost brought tears to my eyes to realize that high school football means more to Bay area sports fans than one of the toughest athletic challenges known to humankind…
The Sunday Boston Globe had a column about Karen Smyers winning, but made practically no mention of the other 1449 triathletes out there. The only reason they published the column is because she is from the Boston area. I was very grateful to find the column on her, since I have admired her for a very long time, and have tremendous repect for the fact that she never gave up during the Ironman, but persisted until she passed Paula with scarcely a quarter mile to go. Karen’s victory was very well deserved and quite heroic. The rest of the Boston Globe was, of course, a waste. Several pages bemoaning the dreadful Red Sox. two pages of the Bruins (I gag when I see hockey) and page after page of college football (retch). Yes, I am biased about sports! I admit it. Like Tricia said, thank goodness for RST, where we can really find out all the news in our sport, both behind the scenes and out front, way before the mags get to it. Cathy Corning
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Bike » Boca Gatorade Sprintman – an evaluation of draft-legal racing
Josh, Whether one agrees with your thoughts or not, your detailed and sincere assesment of drafting in triathlons is a positive contribution to the on-going dialogue. Keep up the good work. Cory H.
Josh Allen Writes: Attacks on integrity always prompt me to write. I apologize to anyone who may have not understood the intent of my previous post. I was making a perhaps too subtle attempt to make apparent the future attitude of some traithletes.
snip….snip Josh, Your objectivity was not lost to all of us. I enjoyed your posts and appreciate your position. Of all the bafflegab surrounding drafting that I’ve read in recent months, these were the only ones that said anything new and substantive. Bruce Ackman Shields up Mr.Sulu…..
Attacks on integrity always prompt me to write. I apologize to anyone who may have not understood the intent of my previous post. I was making a perhaps too subtle attempt to make apparent the future attitude of some traithletes. With the exponential increase in the poularity of triathlon thanks to drafting, we will see more money being infused into the sport and thus the age-groupers will be racing for money. Cutthroat tactics and parasitic atheltes intent on only making a few bucks will be prevalent in the age group ranks much like in USCF racing. The days of race T-shirt pride will be gone along with the willingness to help out a fellow athlete just because they were in the race with you. Now everyone will be competition. I will continue to race Tom’s races. The reason why is not money. I probably won’t win again. The reason is that Tom is a nice person who looks to promote the growth of our sport through his Family Fitness weekends. He creates cosecutive nights of fun for an entire family, culminating in a fun and organized triathlon which can be enjoyed by everyone. His races have been there for me since I started doing triathlons, and I will be there for him until he decides that he won’t put on another race. Concerning integrity and support of beliefs: I do not support drafting. i will not support drafting–unless my lack of support hurts what our sport was founded upon (local races like Tom’s). Mr. Zagarino questions my integrity, but I can guarantee that he will not see me at an ITU race ever again. Any organization that bans athletes because of semantics and the demands an apology from them for making a living and supporting a friend doesn’t have the interest of the sport at heart. It shows that there are a bunch of businessmen posing as athletes who are behaving in a dictatorial manner. The ITU’s "experiments" with drafting have done nothing for the sport except allow it to gain considerable control by creating dissention among athletes and race directors. Out of the bedlam comes a new, more powerful ITU, ready to crush your sport into oblivion so that Coca-Cola and MTV will give it money. The ITU came close to getting Triathlon into the Olympics, but I think some other group needs to finish the job. If you threw a party and nobody came, would it still be the wrold’s best party just because the banner said so? An athlete boycott of Worlds may be disatrous for the sport, but I think that true triathletes and the multisport spirit will easily survive. Not going to worlds will probably hurt my career and I know the ITU doesn’t give a damn about my meager age-group presence, but they will not see me there Sincerely, Mr. Out Of Control, Josh Allen
This sounds like fun. I’m going to register for Tom Ziebart’s next race as an elite so I can draft legally. Of course I’ll give up my chances at an age group award, but since I rarely get one anyway, why not? My swim isn’t fast enough to catch the elite pack, but it doesn’t matter since I’ll be in the first wave and I can suck wheel off the top age groupers in the waves behind me as they pass. I should be able to average 23-24 MPH instead of the usual 20-21. Only problem is that drafting is illegal for them so I won’t be able to draft off any big packs or pace lines. Maybe the idea will catch on and the entire field will register for the elite wave. Wouldn’t that be fun? Can you just see a pack of 500 cyclists entering the transition area all at once? #include "disclaimer.h" |____|
One week has now passed since I raced in Boca Raton. The race was the Gatorade Triathlon Series race #2 (?). The Boca Sprintman. Drafting was legal in the elite waves, in which anyone with the desire can enter. Age-groupers followed standard Tri-Fed rules. Race distance was 1/2 mile swim, 10 mile bike, and 3 mile run. The race was held at Spanish River Park in Boca Raton, FL on June 12th. In the past, I have spouted off about how I don’t like drafting legalization. However, I hadn’t raced in a draft legal race so I couldn’t really make an educated judgement. Now, I have. I am presenting my experiences so that those of you without the ability to race in draft legal fashion can start to form more well informed opinions. My opinions will be given as a reply to this post if you care to read them. Race morning was cool (for florida) but as soon as the sun rose the heat began (and the humidity). The swim was in the Atlantic, and was a three sided rectangle. Out ~50 meters, north ~700 meters, in ~50 meters. The water temp was 81 degrees, and it was perfectly clear (the water-you could see the bottom adn the stingrays) and glass calm. The race began with a beach start. With about ten seconds to go the announcer counted down. With about four seconds to go, a few people started. With about 3.5 seconds left, everyone started. I hit the first buoy in third place, but was quickly followed by a large pack which included several talented swimmers. After the turn, I jumped on second place’s feet, and tried to hang on. Didn’t happen. First and second took off like they were swimming 100 repeats and I was left to lead the chase pack with a swimmer from FAU. We exited the water about 45 seconds back from the leaders and headed for the transistion area. The transition involved running about 400 meters through a tunnel, twisty cancrete paths, and chipped wood. The elite wave’s bikes were racked in the south end, and the exit was in the north end of the transition. The bike course exited the park quickly and headed south on A1A (completely flat) for 5 miles. Out and back. Flat and fast. No wind. I just got a set of "Pedal Power" platforms from Wil Compton in the hopes that this race would be close enough that I would need them. At this point it wasn’t. By looking at the bikes, I could tell that Chip Martoccia (a DeGeorge team member) and Bob Belzer (of TYR age-group Excellence fame) were the studly swimmers. I fumbled with my pedals and quickly set about chasing these boys down. In the transistion the FAU swimmer had gotten ahead of me and as soon as I hit A1A, I caught him. Now the differences of a draft legal race came out. I passed FAU boy and he instantly jumped on my wheel. I pulled a bit, and when I tried to pull off, he wouldn’t come through (to the front, for draft lingo challenged). I then tried to get rid of him by weaving side to side and surging. He eventually pulled through, and asked if I knew the race was draft legal. Yes, but I didn’t want to give him a free ride! I saw that we weren’t going any faster with just the two of us (he didn’t pull), so I sat up (literally) drank a bit and waited for a follwing pack of three to catch us. After about 15 seconds of 15 mph riding, we became a pack of five. Abilities ranged in this group immensly. It included a couple of weaker cyclists (~1:00-1:02 40K ability) a couple of ~59:00-1:02 cyclists, and myself (Triathlon 40K split PR: 57:02). Everyone worked to help the pack go faster by pulling through. Some would spend longer at the front than others. Everyone in the pack probably worked the same amount by the end of the ride.We worked together to catch Chip, but by the transition area, we hadn’t cought him at all. Chip is very strong on the bike. (for a less objective account, you have to check out my comments). He entered the transition area still about 1:00 up on us. The run exited the transition area midway through it and went through a mulch covered path for about 200 meters before hitting pavement. It wound through the park for about 1/2 mile before going out and back along A1A. Flat, fast, with the park being pretty twisty. I exited the transition about :35 behind Chip (thanks to "Pedal Power"!!!) by means of an instant transition, and because the run started on the trail, I couldn’t see him. I ran hard in the hopes that something had happened to make him walk the run, but I pretty much thought it was over. I caught a glimpse of him through the trees, so I knew that I had to give it my all. By checking how long it took for me to pass a landmark he had passed, I figured out that I was gaining on him at the rate of about :12 per mile. That meant I would catch him about 100 meters AFTER the finish. I gutted it out and cut his lead to half by the turnaround. Through the park again I made up time by running FAST through the turns (mostly tight 90 degree turns) while hoping he would slack up a bit. With 200 meters to go, I was on his shoulder. I surged to see if he would stay with me. He did, so it came down to a sprint. 100 meters to go and I threw down the hammer and tried to get away. THis time I shook him and powered to a slim 2 second victory and the $500 first place check. Post race amenities were great, and everyone seemed happy. The sea lice didn’t seem to be too bad (I got away without them). I had to head back home for work, so I missed the awards ceremony. Can’t fill you in on that. Tom Ziebart put on a classy race and I will definitely be racing future ones. The race will be televised on Tuesday, 20 June on PRIME network. For you southeast folks, that’s the sunshine channel. My opinions in the followup post
The next race in the Gatorade Triathlon Series will be this weekend in Key Biscyane – elite drafting will be allowed. Also – No sea lice expected. Tom Ziebart – Exclusive Sports Marketing
Josh You could possibly sit out a few draft legal events and make a few bucks selling your race coverage to a big magazine. As far as wetsuit use by elites racing for $$$s in 81 degree water for 1/2 mile – stupid move. Using rubber leggings is more ridiculous. I am not a good swimmer, and look forward to races which have water temps below 78 degrees. But I guess I’ve lost that competive neurosis which would let me justify using the suit in hot water because I didn’t want to give up those precious seconds. If the athletes themselves would enforce sportsmanship, we might not see so much of the borderline cheating/stretching the rules. Good story, Josh. Go Gators Rick Margiotta, TriFedPrez
<<Snip race report I will race more of Tom Ziebart’s draft fests simply because I have the chance of winning money. When it comes to paying rent, college kids will do anything. If it comes down to supporting drafting and getting cash for rent or not supporting drafting and sleeping in a tent, you know where i will go. I do not support drafting. I will not support drafting legalization.
Josh: That is what I admire about the youth of today. Their willingness to take a stand and fight for what they belive in. Makes me nostalgic for the sixties. Let me see if I have this straight. You think drafting is immoral, you don’t like it and you continually post how it will ruin the sport. BUT, if you can make money at it, you’ll do it and then slam it on Monday morning. Ah,the idealism of youth. I must be in a flame kind of mood this morning, but this one really set me off. Go ‘noles. ZAG
Sorry about the multiple posts. It is 1:30 a.m. and I’m a little spacy. I went to the bathroom and forgot that I had posted it. Anyway, here’s what I thought of the whole race. Swim-same, except the water was 81 degrees and there were elite athletes wearing wetsuits! 81 degrees. Tom allowed rubber jockeys to compete for prizes anyway, which I think was a nose snubbing to TRI-Fed and common sense. NOBODY needs a wetsuit for a 1/2 mile swim in 81 degree water. The elites who wore them are taking advantage of the rules. I didn’t wear one and I swear that I will never wear one in water over 74 degrees again. Elite athletes who do are cheaters. To me, that’s worse than drafting in a non-drafting race. If you’re a horrible swimmer and MUST have a wetsuit, then you probably won’t be in contention for prizes anyway. One of the elites was wearing a pair of wesuit PANTS. No top to get hot, just a 5mm layer of neoprene aroung his legs to provide floatation. I feel a quote coming on….something like: Any populsion device…or flotation device shall be illegal. Tri-fed prez or Mr. Platt, what do you think? Bike-The pack of five consisted of cyclists who I am never near. I have competed with all of the members of the pack and I have always outsplit them. In a standard race I could have ridden away from them with ease, but in this race I couldn’t drop them. Their pulling did nothing to lower my bike split (time wise) but they did lessen my energy expenditure. I came off the bike with about the sam split I could have had, but my legs would have been trashed. Now, they were tired, but I still had snap in them. Even with drafting, you still had to work hard, but the intermittent rest let’s you get off the bike a bit fresher. We didn’t put any time on Chip, but I didn’t work as hard as him. Alternate possibilities- 1) If I had been with two other cyclists of high level, The three of us could have probably caught Chip and all have been fresh. 2) If I had had a good swim, I would have been near Chip so that he and I could have worked together. We would have put massive time on the rest of the field but it would have come down to who was a better runner. 3) The pack has a few excellent runners. We keep the same interval on Chip, but the runners do no work and hop off and run 15:00 for the 3 miles. They win, and all they did was swim fast enough to get in the pack. Run-My fresher legs allowed me to run Chip down, though by the end (final sprint) I think our legs were on even ground. I was a miler in high school, so I have a bit of kick and that allowed me to win. Bottom line- The race was very exciting (for me and for spectators). They got to see someone from this pack of five (which looked good and worked well together) chase down the front runner. The TV show should be great. This is one example of drafting making race more exciting, though I can think of other situations where it would be a ho-hummer. I do think that this race would be pretty typical of a drafting race. If I hadn’t drafted, I would not have caught Chip. period. I would have had to work harder on the bike and there is no way I would have averaged 5:30 per mile if I had. The strongest runner of the draft pack won. True, but the strongest runner of the race got second because he killed himself on the bike. If Chip had been brave (or stupid) enough, he would have lollygagged the bike, gotten in with us, and let the race be a 3 mile run between me and him. Winner–?? it would have been up for grabs then. Chip almost won. If I hadn’t had the platform pedals, My transition would have been longer and I would have lost. If I had not hesitated and helped some guy unzip his wetsuit, I may have won by 4 seconds. If I had not run excessively hard in the first 800 meters when I couldn’t tell how far ahead Chip was, I would have lost. With all of the small things that can change a race like that, the drafting becomes less important. Even though he didn’t get the draft, Chip almost won the race. I had to shave off a bunch of seconds other places to win. Drafting alone didn’t do it. I will probably race a draft legal race again. This is one thing that has changed. Draft legal races are still triathlons. It takes proficiency at three sports to be successful. Drafting changes the strategy of the race drastically. Watch a cycling race and change channels to a 10K run as soon as the sprint is over. That is how Professional Draft-legal races will eventually evolve. The swim will be negated (against popular belief) unless the person is an incredible swimmer and cyclist and can keep that gap for the run (a la Benjamin Sanson crossed with Mike Pigg–which doesn’t exist). There will be tactical racing on the bike (18 mph sunday rides) unless a group of non-runners tries to break away from the runners. The run will either be slow (if the non-runners get a big enough break) or will become a 10K road race with time approaching that of straight road races. It’s still a triathlon in that pros will have to be at least good enough to assure that you get in the lead pack, but you can bet that they will be spending more time on the track than on the bike. Personally- Still don’t like it. Won’t like it. Won $500 bucks because of it and have no guilt about taking it. It takes away the individual nature of the sport and does create team-oriented tactics. I will race more of Tom Ziebart’s draft fests simply because I have the chance of winning money. When it comes to paying rent, college kids will do anything. If it comes down to supporting drafting and getting cash for rent or not supporting drafting and sleeping in a tent, you know where i will go. I do not support drafting. I will not support drafting legalization. I don’t think that drafting will last. Josh Allen