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Knee pain

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I am a relative novice in the sport (just started last summer) and have been training indoors for this summer. Lately I have been experiencing extreme pain on the top of my knee caps, mainly when cycling on a stationary bike. I haven’t noticed many problems when running, but lately I have a dull ache throughout my knees just sitting all day at work and on into the evening. I’ve heard of patello-femoral syndrome and suspect this might be related. Any advice to get through this and continue training – stretches, exercises, etc. I really took a liking to the sport and would like to continue with it. Thanks in advance, Mike

Hard to say for sure of course, but you *might* be hurting from pushing too hard on the bike. It’s common for runners especially to use big gears and push hard with a low cadence. Try using less resistance or lower gears with a higher cadence; you get the same net horsepower with less abuse to the knees. Try for at least 85-95 RPM, preferably around 90… Dan

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Mike- Just in case of PFS, check out this site: http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/pfs.html Dr. Jenkins explains some exercises to combat some of the symptoms, strengthen the area, etc. An overall good site. I have PFS myself, and with the exercises, tons of stretching, and a little Aleve, I am back in business. Good luck, & remember to stretch- Nick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a relative novice in the sport (just started last summer) and have been training indoors for this summer. Lately I have been experiencing extreme pain on the top of my knee caps, mainly when cycling on a stationary bike. I haven’t noticed many problems when running, but lately I have a dull ache throughout my knees just sitting all day at work and on into the evening. I’ve heard of patello-femoral syndrome and suspect this might be related. Any advice to get through this and continue training – stretches, exercises, etc. I really took a liking to the sport and would like to continue with it. Thanks in advance, Mike

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Lately I have been experiencing extreme pain on the top of my knee caps, mainly when cycling on a stationary bike. I haven’t noticed many problems when running, but lately I have a dull ache throughout my knees just sitting all day at work and on into the evening. I’ve heard of patello-femoral syndrome and suspect this might be related.

I have this exact same knee pain. I went to the doctor several months ago (6 to be exact) and he diagnosed the same thing. So…I laid off the knee/bike for 6 months, and then stepped back on the bike for a very very very easy ride, and had immediate pain. It appears under the knee cap again, but there is tenderness around the side. I went to the doctor again, and they feel it may have something to do with bike fit…ie. position on the bike (up/down, forward/back). I’m scheduled for a bike fit with a cyclist who is also a physiotherapist (how convenient!) So, after blathering here for a few minutes, my point is to get a proper bike fit to see if that may also be the problem…I don’t know if it is mine, but I’m ready to try anything at this point. warren — Warren S. Edwards "No one has any sympathy Dept of Electrical Engineering, Box 352500 for me except Mick" University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 ph: (206) 543-1017 URL: http://icsl.ee.washington.edu/~lucifer/warren.html

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Duncan, the plastic band is sitting right on top of your patellae tendinis. When you run, that tendon takes all the load from the quad. The movement is similar to that of a jump, and jumps are known to affect the patellae tendinis. I recall reading that athletes who jump a lot (like in volleyball and basketball) can develop a cistic fibrosis of the patellae tendinis, a condition where micro-granules develop within the tendon and induce that burning/rubbing feeling. The treatment suggested at the time (10-15 yrs ago) was ice, rest, and cortisone injections. It was also believed that constraining the tendon by elastic bands would further exacerbate the condition. "Catch 22" comes to mind in your istance. Roberto – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to do my first and probably only tri in August. Here is my = problem. =20 I used to run in my teens and twenties until I developed a tracking = problem with my knee and gave up running. I have found that I still = have the problem twenty years later. After about 4k the pain is enough = to make running impossible. Training for this triathlon (5k run) I have = started to wear a thick plastic band under my knee cap. This has = totally removed the tracking pain during and after the run. Yipeee! = However, now I am developing an unusual burning sensation under my knee = a day after I run. It’s not painful but more of a rubbing or burning = sensation. I’m thinking perhaps the band is causing me a bit of = tendonitis. My concern is that it will develop into an issue that will = prevent me from finishing this tiny triathlon. Any ideas? Cheers, Duncan

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I am going to do my first and probably only tri in August. Here is my problem. I used to run in my teens and twenties until I developed a tracking problem with my knee and gave up running. I have found that I still have the problem twenty years later. After about 4k the pain is enough to make running impossible. Training for this triathlon (5k run) I have started to wear a thick plastic band under my knee cap. This has totally removed the tracking pain during and after the run. Yipeee! However, now I am developing an unusual burning sensation under my knee a day after I run. It’s not painful but more of a rubbing or burning sensation. I’m thinking perhaps the band is causing me a bit of tendonitis. My concern is that it will develop into an issue that will prevent me from finishing this tiny triathlon. Any ideas? Cheers, Duncan

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Go to www.trinewbies.com. They have a pretty good physio section that covers most types of knee injuries. Dan I am going to do my first and probably only tri in August. Here is my problem. I used to run in my teens and twenties until I developed a tracking problem with my knee and gave up running. I have found that I still have the problem twenty years later. After about 4k the pain is enough to make running impossible. Training for this triathlon (5k run) I have started to wear a thick plastic band under my knee cap. This has totally removed the tracking pain during and after the run. Yipeee! However, now I am developing an unusual burning sensation under my knee a day after I run. It’s not painful but more of a rubbing or burning sensation. I’m thinking perhaps the band is causing me a bit of tendonitis. My concern is that it will develop into an issue that will prevent me from finishing this tiny triathlon. Any ideas? Cheers, Duncan

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. My concern is that it will develop into an issue that will prevent me from finishing this tiny triathlon. Any ideas?

Very difficult to to give a diagnosis online, but try icing just before and immediately after each run. I also suffer from a recurrent trick knee due to mild degenerative damage from a septic arthritis infection twenty years ago and icing usually works for me. Wearing good shoes will also make a difference. I also have a portable TENS electrotherapy unit. It’s about the size of a pack of cards with two small pads and can be carried to the race with me. Works great whenever my knee acts up after a race, which is in about 50% of my races. It’s not great pain but more of an annoying irritation. Battery powered TENS units cost around $100-200. In some areas you can purchase these yourself but in others you will need a prescription. Custom orthotics also can be very helpful.

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Training » cycling and a marathon

cycling and a marathon

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The biggest point is that cycling does not substitute for long runs. If your goal is to race short distances cycling is beneficial and can be use to substitute a high percentage of training. But getting into long distance running cycling becomes much less effective.

Bingo. Couldn’t have said it better myself. At the marathon level, specificity of training really comes into play. Biking simply will not give you the *running* muscle strength you need. It’ll contribute to your overall conditioning and some muscle strength, but if you want to run long, you have to run long. Your plan sounds good, if you accept up front that it’s not ideal for either running your best or biking your best. It’s a compromise. On a positive note – since you’re more of a biker than a runner, the bikes on off weekends may give your legs a break from the running that they’ll need/appreciate. And the biking will still give you a quality workout. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman, Model Railroader, Gamer www.ironpeng.com/ipe/

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thanks everyone. when is the duathlon season? it would be nice to do one or two, but i wouldn’t substitute road racing for duathlons. the adrenaline of road racing is priceless. so far the running has been going well. the program i mentioned is an 18 week program that recommends a month of 25 mile weeks beforhand. i don’t keep track of mileage, but time. i’ve been putting in at least 3.5 hours/week running for the last month, which should be 25-30 miles depending on how i felt. i’ve done half marathons around 7:10/mile, and hope to do the ‘thon at 7:30. it’s been a while since i’ve run that fast…can’t imagine running 7:10 for 13 miles right now…it’s a long road.

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Saw your post in rbr and was going to suggest you go here, but you did on your own…you’re already on the right track! i just filled out the application for the dc marathon. doing well in local bike races is my goal for next year. i want to do the marathon so’s to keep fit (very fit) over the winter months, as it might get too cold to ride the bike. i’m thinking that i could substitute the group ride for that run.

As others have noted, biking is not a substitute for marathon training. A complement, yes, but a substitute, no way. If you’re a competent rider, and it sounds like you are, do the Saturday rides on your "off" weeks but go ahead and do that medium distance run on Sunday. Your legs shouldn’t be too trashed from the ride to get a good solid run in the next day. Your "on" weeks consisting of the long runs should be treated like any major workout or race–be somewhat rested for it. Running long, even if it is a bit slower than you are perhaps used to, is still very hard work. The long run is the cornerstone of the marathon training program—don’t take it lightly! Good luck and train safe. Mike C

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I race triathlons, but come from a running background. Cross training is now a way of life. I run marathons while training for triathlons, and must say that biking hasn’t appeared to help my running in the least. In fact quite the opposite has occurred. I think the biggest factor is that running miles have been cut back in order to train in three disciplines. In other words I don’t blame the bike, but rather the running miles that had to be sacrificed for the bike. The body can only take so much. I think running as cross training is much better than doing nothing, but there is no substitute for specific training. If you truly are unable to cycle as much through the winter, then running will help maintain an aerobic base. If you get to the point were you are giving up bike time to run, your cycling will suffer. I would consider this if cycling is your true passion. If you find that you love to run as well, you may want to consider multi-sport (tri- or duathlon). To train intensely in two or more disciplines (Steve Larsen being an apparent exception) requires that compromises be made. Best of luck, Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i just filled out the application for the dc marathon. doing well in local bike races is my goal for next year. i want to do the marathon so’s to keep fit (very fit) over the winter months, as it might get too cold to ride the bike. i’d like to keep doing my favorite saturday morning group ride (3.5hrs). i like the looks of the training program at the ny marathon website. every other weekend is an "off" weekend, where the long run is only 13 or so miles. i’m thinking that i could substitute the group ride for that run. any opinions? does anyone know of a book or website that is heavy on the cross-training? any cyclists on this group?

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i just filled out the application for the dc marathon. doing well in local bike races is my goal for next year. i want to do the marathon so’s to keep fit (very fit) over the winter months, as it might get too cold to ride the bike. i’d like to keep doing my favorite saturday morning group ride (3.5hrs). i like the looks of the training program at the ny marathon website. every other weekend is an "off" weekend, where the long run is only 13 or so miles. i’m thinking that i could substitute the group ride for that run. any opinions? does anyone know of a book or website that is heavy on the cross-training? any cyclists on this group?

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You sound like you should be training for duathlons. You can race your bike (which is non draft, of course) and you can run. It starts off with the run then bike then run again. I started out racing mountain bikes, switched to road racing (bikes), and ran most of my life. I got serious into duathlon, then made the switch to triathlon several years ago. rec.sport.triathlon is an excellent group to subscribe to also, lots of very knowledgeable people there that can answer your questions. In duathlon and triathlon, I still do a long run every weekend when not in bike season. In bike season I alternate weekends, long run one weekend, long bike the next weekend, and one brick workout per week, (run then bike), the mileage depends on you and your type of racing. The rest of the week is swimming biking and running with a rest day in there usually on a friday for me because I like to go long on the weekend and I like to have a day’s rest before hand. Good Luck Bill

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I’m a triathlete and cycling tourist who runs. The biggest point is that cycling does not substitute for long runs. If your goal is to race short distances cycling is beneficial and can be use to substitute a high percentage of training. But getting into long distance running cycling becomes much less effective. The reason being a cyclist will occasionally rest their legs. Even tour riders find places where they aren’t pedaling all out. This isn’t the case for runners. You stop running and you stop and wave bye-bye to your fellow competitors. Your plan sounds reasonable to me. But be careful to recover and lay off of running when your cycling schedule starts. Running extra always took speed away from my cycling. I always found cycling just after running to be more difficult than cycling fresh. Running after cycling wasn’t much more difficult than running fresh. You will not be able to substitute long runs for long rides. And you’ll have to listen to your ride partners complain that you are turning into a "wheel sucker". But when you show up for a ride with a marathon medal around your neck you’ll get regain some respect. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i just filled out the application for the dc marathon. doing well in local bike races is my goal for next year. i want to do the marathon so’s to keep fit (very fit) over the winter months, as it might get too cold to ride the bike. i’d like to keep doing my favorite saturday morning group ride (3.5hrs). i like the looks of the training program at the ny marathon website. every other weekend is an "off" weekend, where the long run is only 13 or so miles. i’m thinking that i could substitute the group ride for that run. any opinions? does anyone know of a book or website that is heavy on the cross-training? any cyclists on this group?

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Andy, I always found cycling just after running to be more difficult than cycling fresh. Running after cycling wasn’t much more difficult than running fresh.

That is the exact reverse of what I personally find! <LOL I often run alone and then bike with a friend without difficulty, in fact I feel ‘warmed up’ but if we have to bike early and I run immediately after, my thighs most often feel like treetrunks. People’s different reactions to exercise never cease to amaze me. I would add one caveat and that is I am a runner who bikes "sometimes" and perhaps more regular training on the bike may make a difference. BTW I agree with you comments on long distance cycling’s NON-efficacy as a training tool for running or at least as a substitute for a long run. I find short sharp rides (upto an hour and a half say) quite useful Xtraining but as you say much longer and it seems to me there is tendency for your body to get used to those freewheeling breaks and those ’soft pedalling’ opportunities. Not really relevant to the issue but I have found a stationary bike useful in that way though. I have only ever done just under 2 hours (the limitation is boredom as much as anything) BUT my HRM read outs after that are much more akin to those while running (if a bit lower than running) than those when biking on the road. In fact it is very easy to see a road bike ride HRM read out (even a short sharp ride) because it looks like an extremely nasty Alpine stage in the TdF rather than the comparatively smooth line of those from running and stationary biking. I think faced with Jim’s dilemma I would manipulate the marathon schedule so that his long bike ride came on a ‘very easy’ running day. I must be getting old but I don’t consider a 13 mile run an "off weekend"!!! Given that he can do that and the schedule only calls for say an easy 5 or 6 or something – I would do that 5 or 6 (mostly for my mind!) and then go out for the long bike ride, sit in a lot and take the flak from my mates! John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a triathlete and cycling tourist who runs. The biggest point is that cycling does not substitute for long runs. If your goal is to race short distances cycling is beneficial and can be use to substitute a high percentage of training. But getting into long distance running cycling becomes much less effective. The reason being a cyclist will occasionally rest their legs. Even tour riders find places where they aren’t pedaling all out. This isn’t the case for runners. You stop running and you stop and wave bye-bye to your fellow competitors. Your plan sounds reasonable to me. But be careful to recover and lay off of running when your cycling schedule starts. Running extra always took speed away from my cycling. I always found cycling just after running to be more difficult than cycling fresh. Running after cycling wasn’t much more difficult than running fresh. You will not be able to substitute long runs for long rides. And you’ll have to listen to your ride partners complain that you are turning into a "wheel sucker". But when you show up for a ride with a marathon medal around your neck you’ll get regain some respect. Andy i just filled out the application for the dc marathon. doing well in local bike races is my goal for next year. i want to do the marathon so’s to keep fit (very fit) over the winter months, as it might get too cold to ride the bike. i’d like to keep doing my favorite saturday morning group ride (3.5hrs). i like the looks of the training program at the ny marathon website. every other weekend is an "off" weekend, where the long run is only 13 or so miles. i’m thinking that i could substitute the group ride for that run. any opinions? does anyone know of a book or website that is heavy on the cross-training? any cyclists on this group?

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Bike » Biking at night

Biking at night

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You are right. I live an hour north of New York City and most of the area is a scary ride during the day. Especially the nice country dirt road I live off of with no street lights. Thanks…….Rob TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine Original Message: Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation.

It seems that way because it is dangerous. You do the best you can and then take your chances. I think it might be somewhat safer here than in other areas because our roads tend to be wider and most of our drivers are aware of bicycles. When I visit the midwest, I shudder to think of people having to train on some of those roads, even in daylight. I’ve been riding at night on a regular basis for almost 10 winters now and have had only one mishap which was a solo accident caused mostly by poor lighting. I hit an asphalt road repair that was indiscernible under my $15 headlight. There have been no further incidents since I invested in a quality lighting system. I would consider a Computrainer for the 1-2 workouts during the week and do most of your riding on the weekends.

For workouts, that’s a good idea. I’m out at night solely because it’s dark in the winter when I get off work and I want to commute to work at least twice a week. But if all I wanted was exercise, I’d do it your way. ely because it’s dark in the winter when I get off work and I want to commute to work at least twice a week. But if all I wanted was exercise, I’d do it your way. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.Transit

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But if all I wanted was exercise, I’d do it your way. Larry

I agree Larry, bike commuting is about more than getting in a workout. I disagree with you about the required wattage for road riding I find 6 watts enough for my route. My lite goes 6,10,and 15 but since my commute can take up to 1 hour and 50 minutes each way I was forced to use the 6 watt mode. I have actually found it to be adequate. Allot depends on your particular roads circumstances etc…

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Bike commuting is a great way to get base training in while using time that is probably wasted otherwise. That is for us normal people with day jobs – might not apply to musicians, cat burglars, and others who keep strange hours. You’re absolutely right as far as serious training goes. During daylight commutes, my average speed is right around 20 mph. After dark, it drops to 15 mph. It just ain’t safe to hammer – there’s still plenty you can’t see even with the best lights.

I, too, experience a significant speed drop-off at night. This is a good opportunity for some interval training, though. If you’re fortunate enough to have some hills on your route (as I do), REALLY hammer up the hills and take it easy on the descents. Take it easy on trickier stretches of road (high traffic, poor roads, etc.) but hammer whenever possible (well lit, good roads, etc.). I also use two headlights. I have a single beam 10w NiteRider for my main light and one of those cheap-o 3w Cateye 4xAA jobies. I use that when I need extra light and in case the main light ever fails. Back to the original question, I’m not familiar with Sherman Oaks (did I get that right?), but I think I’d avoid nighttime cycling in a city. My commute is quite cycle-friendly (Chelmsford, MA to Nashua, NH), but L.A. probably isn’t. I actually like commuting at night in the winter. It’s unquestionably more dangerous but it’s kind of fun. — Cheers, Doug Fuller

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Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation.

That is a good thing. They give me a lot more room at night than in the daytime. It is not as dangerous as many would believe, and if motorists think it is so much more dangerous that they must swerve further out around me, I graciously accept the extra space. I would consider a Computrainer for the 1-2 workouts during the week and do most of your riding on the weekends.

Why not ride during the week and run and swim on weekends? Or even practice having a real life? The biggest advantage of bike-commuting is that it uses time that would otherwise be wasted sitting stressed-out in traffic. When I get home, I’d rather play with my kids than go jump on the rollers. The fact that you learn a lot more about bike-handling skills to the point where your bike becomes an extension of your body never hurt anything either – especially in tight and fast situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine Original Message: I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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Thank you Gene! My whole reason for asking is that I want to use time otherwise spent twiddling my thumbs in traffic. I won’t be surprised if I get to work faster on a bike than in a car – car takes 30-40 minutes to go 8 miles – bike could beat that!

Possibly so. It takes me just 10 minutes longer to ride my bike to work than to drive my truck, partially because there are some higher-speed stretches where I can hold 45 MPH for several miles in the truck. I’ve taken to riding my bike so much for daily transportation that I finally let the registration on my truck lapse (no sense paying for it if I’m not driving it) and rely on my wife’s minivan for the few times that I absolutely need to drive somewhere. I figure that between the extra riding, the reduced environmental impact (I’m not a tree-hugger, but I do give a flip about the world my kids will live and raise their kids in), the stress-reduction after a day at work, walking into my office wide-awake (or as my wife says, locked, cocked, and ready to rock) after a 10-mile ride and a shower, and the fact that it’s just a heckuva lot cheaper it simply makes sense. Check out "Effective Cycling" in paper and video from your library – it covers safe riding tactice that you never even thought of at your school safety rodeos. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation. That is a good thing. They give me a lot more room at night than in the daytime. It is not as dangerous as many would believe, and if motorists think it is so much more dangerous that they must swerve further out around me, I graciously accept the extra space. I would consider a Computrainer for the 1-2 workouts during the week and do most of your riding on the weekends. Why not ride during the week and run and swim on weekends? Or even practice having a real life? The biggest advantage of bike-commuting is that it uses time that would otherwise be wasted sitting stressed-out in traffic. When I get home, I’d rather play with my kids than go jump on the rollers. The fact that you learn a lot more about bike-handling skills to the point where your bike becomes an extension of your body never hurt anything either – especially in tight and fast situations. Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine Original Message: I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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Back to the original question, I’m not familiar with Sherman Oaks (did I get that right?), but I think I’d avoid nighttime cycling in a city. My commute is quite cycle-friendly (Chelmsford, MA to Nashua, NH), but L.A. probably isn’t.

Sherman Oaks is in the San Fernando Valley – northwest of downtown L.A. It’s a busy suburb but it might be possible to find suitable commuting routes. The original poster was looking to train at night though. Most of L.A. is post WWII and the streets are built to accommodate automobile traffic, parking, etc. The roads are usually wide enough and there are quite a few bike trails. The weather permits year round cycling so people are used to seeing us all the time. I’d say it’s pretty bicycle friendly – especially in the surrounding areas. There are still a few ignorant people and some that are downright hostile. For the most part. it’s pleasant and friendly. Larry

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All true. I have a dual Night Sun system. The original flood was an 8W Xenon and the spot is 20W Halogen. I have since replaced the flood with a 10 W Halogen. Out of a 1 hour commute, I probably use the spot for 3 or 4 minutes, using only the flood the rest of the time. I think it’s important to have the high intensity light available when you need it. I wouldn’t advise someone to go with anything that doesn’t have a high beam. But there are always exceptions. It sounds like you’re pushing the limit as far as battery time goes so you have to make the necessary adjustments. Larry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently bought the Performance house brand system for $120 – a dual light system . . . well, here – from their website; Yeah, I forgot about performance. They offer good prices over the name brand stuff and the quality is decent for the price. 12-watt spot beam and a 12-watt flood beam, . Includes a rechargeable 5.0Ahr sealed lead acid waterbottle battery <<< That’s probably adequate for most riding. I wouldn’t go any lower though. I think the 15 watt systems are insufficient for regular night riding of any distance. Still on sale at performancebike.com for $119.99 . . . I bought this system ‘cuz it had the longest battery life of any system in my price range. I wasn’t about to pay $200+ for a system I’d use only rarely – you may feel differently if you’re going to be using it often. Battery life is important as you don’t want to be caught with a dead battery several miles from your destination. And on a dual beam system you have to consider the effect of using the high beam. On your system it draws twice as much power; on the 10w/20w systems it draws 3 times the power. Although I don’t use the high beam all the time, I want sufficient battery life so that I’m comfortable flipping it on whenever I need it.

As a backup, I also have a generator hub on my commuting bike (an old MTB that has been hybridized for commuting and loaded touring), but a cheapo sidewall generator and lightset will work just as well. I usually use my homebrew 3/6/20 light for normal commuting, but on the couple of occasions that I’ve forgotten to plug in at home and ran out of juice, the generator set was a comforting backup. I also wear an orange safety vest with reflectorized stripes and mount extra 3" DOT reflectors at strategic spots on my bike as the stock reflectors just don’t cut it for attracting attention. The generator also kicks in some slight extra drag that might help with the training aspect. Bike commuting is a great way to get base training in while using time that is probably wasted otherwise. That is for us normal people with day jobs – might not apply to musicians, cat burglars, and others who keep strange hours. You’re absolutely right as far as serious training goes. During daylight commutes, my average speed is right around 20 mph. After dark, it drops to 15 mph. It just ain’t safe to hammer – there’s still plenty you can’t see even with the best lights.

Treat it as a series of wind sprints and stay out of the big ring.

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Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel

comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation. That is a good thing. They give me a lot more room at night than in the

daytime. It is not as dangerous as many would believe, and if motorists think it is so much more dangerous that they must swerve further

out around me, I graciously accept the extra space. I would consider a Computrainer for the 1-2 workouts during the week and

do most of your riding on the weekends. Why not ride during the week and run and swim on weekends? Or even

practice having a real life? The biggest advantage of bike-commuting is that it uses time that would otherwise be wasted sitting stressed-out

in traffic. When I get home, I’d rather play with my kids than go jump on the rollers. The fact that you learn a lot more about

bike-handling skills to the point where your bike becomes an extension of your body never hurt anything either – especially in tight and fast situations. Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine Original Message: I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the

bike (already a serious – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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In all this chatter, we overlooked a popular off road training opportunity – spinning classes. I’ve not done them myself but others here have said good things about them. Emillio De Soto swears by them. Below is a link to his page. If you have questions, email him and he’ll be glad to help you out. http://www.desotosport.com/speaks.html Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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I make no claims to normalcy, but I *do* have a day job. At least right now I do . . . why else would I be showing up in RST unless I was trying to avoid working? TriathRon ‘I should get a commission’ Gilcreast Commission on your $.02?

From Performance – seems I’m always recommending them to someone. Are things that bad? I’ll buy a copy of your CD when it comes out. Will that help?

Actually, uh, I, uh . . . just need some financial assistance to finish the album – yeah, that’s it. Send donations to . . . TriathRon’s Music Adventure 1234 Sucker Pkwy Scam Francisco Ca 94153

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Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation.

For workouts, that’s a good idea. I’m out at night solely because it’s dark in the winter when I get off work and I want to commute to work at least twice a week. But if all I wanted was exercise, I’d do it your way. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine

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Riding at night always seems to dangerous. While you may feel comfortable the drivers around you see a much more dangerous situation. I would consider a Computrainer for the 1-2 workouts during the week and do most of your riding on the weekends. Just my 2 cents…..Rob Walters www.TransitionTimes.com Triathlon Magazine Original Message: I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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Jason, Thats a great idea bike commuting that is… Last summer after I built up enough endurance I started bike commuting in July (only wish I would have started earlier). Since that time I have really made improvements. Although here in the east due to weather I have not bike commuted in about three weeks. In the mean time I have been practicing on rollers. As far as commuting goes I highly recommend the book "Effective Cycling". I have a very good niterider light system with tail lights too. My feeling is that it is most important to be seen from the rear. Up front I only need 6 watts of power to drive with. And when I say drive, I mean thats what it will feel like after a few months. It gets to feeling like you are driving a motor cycle. The motor just goes. Here in the east we have rain and cold to contend with in LA you should have it much easier. My commute is 30 mile over two small mountains each way. How long is yours? Good Luck!

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I recently bought the Performance house brand system for $120 – a dual light system . . . well, here – from their website;

Yeah, I forgot about performance. They offer good prices over the name brand stuff and the quality is decent for the price. 12-watt spot beam and a 12-watt flood beam, . Includes a rechargeable 5.0Ahr sealed lead acid waterbottle battery <<<

That’s probably adequate for most riding. I wouldn’t go any lower though. I think the 15 watt systems are insufficient for regular night riding of any distance. Still on sale at performancebike.com for $119.99 . . . I bought this system ‘cuz it had the longest battery life of any system in my price range. I wasn’t about to pay $200+ for a system I’d use only rarely – you may feel differently if you’re going to be using it often.

Battery life is important as you don’t want to be caught with a dead battery several miles from your destination. And on a dual beam system you have to consider the effect of using the high beam. On your system it draws twice as much power; on the 10w/20w systems it draws 3 times the power. Although I don’t use the high beam all the time, I want sufficient battery life so that I’m comfortable flipping it on whenever I need it. That said, I feel that for *training*, you’re better off on a trainer than on busy streets at night. Urban riding involves too much stopping and starting, too much competition for my concentration and focus, even during the daytime, for me to feel like I can get a quality workout. When the daylight goes, I feel I’m better off indoors where I can focus on keeping my HR in zone, keeping my cadence up, yada yada, than in piling junk miles on just so I can be outside. That’s not to say that bike commuting isn’t a great way to build a deep base.

Commission on your $.02? Are things that bad? I’ll buy a copy of your CD when it comes out. Will that help? Larry

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Jason, I regularly commute on my bike, and it’s not a lot of fun doing it in the dark. At the very least, you should have one flashing red light on the back of your bike, and a bright light at the front. The front light should not be one of those lights that only accepts AA batteries. A good light is more expensive, but you’ll have a better view of the road, and cars will have an easier time seeing you. I also put flourescent (sp?) stickers on my bike, and a mini fog horn. Because drivers react to anything that sounds bigger then them, it’s really useful when someone gets too close. I purchased one through a local marine store, and taped it to my handlebar. Reflective clothing is also a must. From my personal experience, it’s safer riding in the morning then at night. Yes, you might be leaving the house at 4:30 a.m., but there are fewer people out there, and they’re not as stressed as they are at night. However, the safest thing is to get a trainer or roller and train indoors. But it’s really boring. HTH JP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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Jason, I do a lot of night time riding during the winter – all commuting to and from work. I go from Buena Park to Long Beach and I’m not familiar with Sherman Oaks. The most important thing about night riding is being seen by automobile drivers. Light colored and reflective clothing helps. Lights are a must. Also very important is being able to see the road. The clip on flashlight gadgets don’t cut it for serious riding. You need a 12 volt halogen system. I’m aware of two brands – Night Sun and Night Rider. AFAIK, Night Sun was first on the market but nearly everyone carries Night Rider now. A good set of lights costs $200 – $300 but they are well worth the expense. You can build a set for less than 1/2 that. Below is one site with pertinent info and links – you might find others if you do a little snooping with a search engine. http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bspahh/bikelights/lights.html Good luck, Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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I’m aware of two brands – Night Sun and Night Rider. AFAIK, Night Sun was first on the market but nearly everyone carries Night Rider now. A good set of lights costs $200 – $300 but they are well worth the expense.

I recently bought the Performance house brand system for $120 – a dual light system . . . well, here – from their website; A terrific value in a high-output dual beam system, now with a new off- set quick release handlebar mount that lets you center the lights over your bars. 12-watt spot beam and a 12-watt flood beam, non-slip remote switch, cold-forged, CNC-machined housings. Includes a rechargeable 5.0Ahr sealed lead acid waterbottle battery and a recharger. <<< Still on sale at performancebike.com for $119.99 . . . I bought this system ‘cuz it had the longest battery life of any system in my price range. I wasn’t about to pay $200+ for a system I’d use only rarely – you may feel differently if you’re going to be using it often. That said, I feel that for *training*, you’re better off on a trainer than on busy streets at night. Urban riding involves too much stopping and starting, too much competition for my concentration and focus, even during the daytime, for me to feel like I can get a quality workout. When the daylight goes, I feel I’m better off indoors where I can focus on keeping my HR in zone, keeping my cadence up, yada yada, than in piling junk miles on just so I can be outside. That’s not to say that bike commuting isn’t a great way to build a deep base. TriathRon ‘I should get a commission’ Gilcreast

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I’m a new triathlete just starting to train on the bike (already a serious runner). I live in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks) and with my job it’s hard to find time to ride during daylight hours. Any advice on safety tips for riding at night, particularly in a city setting and even more particularly in or around Sherman Oaks?

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Spencer Smith quote

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Although I (unlike many on this group) look forward to the Olympic race, I think that unless there is a big bike wreck or an American medal we won’t see much of it here on the NBC coverage.

Probably true. But that’s more a reflection of US Olympic coverage which is generally pitifull at best. Other countries will no doubt get better look than we will. To gauge the effect of the Olymic deal you have to step back from 1) being involved personally in the sport, and 2) from being American Because the vast majority of the world are neither Perhaps for the good of the sport we’d better ask the Aussies to let one of us win in Sydney! The argument over whether Ironman is ‘better’ than Olympic racing is like comparing apples to oranges. Is a marathoner a better runner than a 200m specialist? Who knows? Who cares?

Exactly, but when an athlete claims that hawaii champion is "the best all-round athlete in the world", then he puts his opinion up to be challenged, right? Dave N.

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Exactly, but when an athlete claims that hawaii champion is "the best all-round athlete in the world", then he puts his opinion up to be challenged, right?

True, but isn’t Spencer making a point about drafting? And wasn’t the point of the original Ironman to decide who was the fittest: a swimmer, a cyclist…. By all means be pedantic…but accept the fact that Spencer was still a top Olympic distance triathlete before he quit, maybe not the fastest runner but he could still produce the odd 31 minute 10km off the bike. He might not have won the Olympics but he could have been in the top ten. Dimitri Gaag might have won the World Champs last year but in a time trial format for the swim and bike (i.e. no drafting) he’d be minutes behind the likes of Spencer, Lessing, and nearly all of the Aussies, this is what (I believe) Spencer is referring to. Warm Regards, Steve

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Now THIS has to be a troll!! A gridiron player VS a IM triathlete?? Come-on.

Exactly – there’s no way you can compare the two. One is optimized for endurance, the other is optimized for quick, explosive movements and reactions. You can’t say one or the other is a better athlete without reference to your own biases. Having said that, I’ll put forward the rather (round here) heretical idea that triathletes are specialists in a rather narrow field of human performance; endurance and a degree of coordination (swimming and biking technique). My own definition of athleticism would include reaction time, hand-eye coordination, quickness, endurance, strength and speed. I’m not convinced triathlon tests *all* of those traits enough to earn the title of best all-around athlete. Best *endurance* athlete, perhaps. TriathRon ‘nomex-check, fire extinguisher-check, . . . ‘ Gilcreast Before you buy.

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Could it be? Another beach ball player here amongst triathletes? Will you be at GCT? I’ll bring my net! Tom Just like it changed for Beach Volleyball, right? That had big time Olympic exposure in Atlanta. And they parlayed it into… nothing.

I used to play every week when I lived in St. Augustine – indoor and beach, depending on the season. <At 5′9", I’m a bit more successful indoors as the setter. Unfortunately, there’s no organized league or much interest here on St. Simons Island, GA. Wish I could make GCT, but can’t. How about GFT? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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Actually, quite a bit less. When I think about triathlon and the Olympics, I often think back to 1996 when I was a competitive volleyball player and avid fan. There was all sorts of hoopla around beach VB before Atlanta and it got quite a bit of TV coverage. In the following two years, three of the four existing professional beach VB leagues in the US folded and the remaining one was in terrible financial condition. The railroading by the FIVB (VB’s ITU) sounds quite a bit like the ITU, regarding the format of the sport and the qualification process. Regarding who’s a better athlete, the IM champ, the Olympic champ, the marathon champ, the decathlon champ, TDF winner, etc., who cares? There’s no way to compare one to another and each champion is exactly that — the champion of their sport/event. Regarding recognition, there’s no doubt the nod goes to the IM and I bet many non-triathletes, when seeing the race in Sydney, will say, "That’s like that one in Hawaii, right?" Will that change after Sydney? Who knows and who cares? It probably will a bit, IM will still get the recognition nod and participation in the sport probably won’t change. — Cheers, Doug "side out" Fuller Before you buy.

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Have you tri geeks ever stop to think that maybe just maybe Spencer Smith is Stating this because he has no chance of making the olympics and nolonger cuts the mustard at short course!!!! After veiwing the Sydney world cup last weekend and seeing thousands of people just just tri geeks watching the event the Olympics is the best thing that ever happened to the sport , The general public are seeing swimmimng biking and running and cheering for there favourite athletles like it is big time sport . You pepole need to get of over self involvement in the sport and take a good good look around !!!!! wayne

Before anyone starts getting upset about this post, may I point out to anyone out there who is linguistically challenged that ‘Waynekerr’ is not, perhaps, something that anyone in Australia (or the UK) would wish to have as a name Cheers Rob Knell

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Timothy J. Carroll" writes Also, the olympic distance does not have the world-wide recognition from the non-triathlon public. The Ironman has that. Say Triathlon to non-triathlon public and they think 2.4/112/26.2, not some draft-legal, multi-sport, non-triathlon, wheel-sucking event. Some thoughts: To date that has probably been the case, but come september that will change. Just like it changed for Beach Volleyball, right? That had big time Olympic exposure in Atlanta. And they parlayed it into… nothing. Remember that most people worldwide have never seen a triathlon live or on tv. The exposure of the Olympic race will be greater than probably every Hawaii Ironman ever filmed. It depends on when it gets aired and how much is actually shown. Don’t go by the published schedule. That’s no indication of what will actually be on the air. My opinion? The Search for the Holy Graille of Olympic coverage will turn out to be the Monty Python edition. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

Although I (unlike many on this group) look forward to the Olympic race, I think that unless there is a big bike wreck or an American medal we won’t see much of it here on the NBC coverage. The Olympics is definitely not going to make triathlon the ‘next big thing’. We won’t see a rush on the bike shops and swim programs. People won’t forget about Ironman after seeing it. I am hoping, however, that this week’s elections in Perth put new leadership at the helm of ITU amd maybe Athens will be able to present a non-drafting triathlon in 2004. The argument over whether Ironman is ‘better’ than Olympic racing is like comparing apples to oranges. Is a marathoner a better runner than a 200m specialist? Who knows? Who cares? I’ll watch them both and marvel at the abilities of the contestants. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Could it be? Another beach ball player here amongst triathletes? Will you be at GCT? I’ll bring my net! Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just like it changed for Beach Volleyball, right? That had big time Olympic exposure in Atlanta. And they parlayed it into… nothing.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you tri geeks ever stop to think that maybe just maybe Spencer Smith is Stating this because he has no chance of making the olympics and nolonger cuts the mustard at short course!!!! After veiwing the Sydney world cup last weekend and seeing thousands of people just just tri geeks watching the event the Olympics is the best thing that ever happened to the sport , The general public are seeing swimmimng biking and running and cheering for there favourite athletles like it is big time sport . You pepole need to get of over self involvement in the sport and take a good good look around !!!!! wayne

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"Timothy J. Carroll" writes Also, the olympic distance does not have the world-wide recognition from the non-triathlon public. The Ironman has that. Say Triathlon to non-triathlon public and they think 2.4/112/26.2, not some draft-legal, multi-sport, non-triathlon, wheel-sucking event. Some thoughts: To date that has probably been the case, but come september that will change.

Just like it changed for Beach Volleyball, right? That had big time Olympic exposure in Atlanta. And they parlayed it into… nothing. Remember that most people worldwide have never seen a triathlon live or on tv. The exposure of the Olympic race will be greater than probably every Hawaii Ironman ever filmed.

It depends on when it gets aired and how much is actually shown. Don’t go by the published schedule. That’s no indication of what will actually be on the air. My opinion? The Search for the Holy Graille of Olympic coverage will turn out to be the Monty Python edition. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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Tough it may be, but i hardly think even the winner of such a minor non-Olympic-recognized discipline of the sport can be considered the "best all-round athlete in the world."

Obviously he was referring to best all around triathlete. It is in "his book" too. I doubt that he thinks that Peter Reid is a better athlete then an average pro running back or point guard. If he does, then the steroids must have really damaged his brain.

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Now THIS has to be a troll!! A gridiron player VS a IM triathlete?? Come-on. Phil

| | Tough it may be, but i hardly think even the winner of such a minor | non-Olympic-recognized discipline of the sport can be considered the "best | all-round athlete in the world." | | Obviously he was referring to best all around triathlete. It is in | "his book" too. I doubt that he thinks that Peter Reid is a better | athlete then an average pro running back or point guard. If he does, | then the steroids must have really damaged his brain.

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Inclusion in the Olympics has never made any sport bigger. In fact most the real popular Olympic Sports are hardly watched at all during non Olympic years. One race every four years, in a different format, is going to save and popularize triathlon? I don’t think so. It might get a little bit of hype for a few days, but I believe that will be all. Most people I associate with only have some slight notion that Triathlon is even in the Olympics. They are not waiting with baited breath to see how it turns out. And these are people with athletic lifestyles. And what will everyone see when they watch The Olympic Triathlon? A very boring show. Triathlon is not, and never will be an exciting TV event. It is just rather boring. Sorry, but it really is. It is so boring, I don’t think the WWF could make it exciting. How is watching the race in December going to change that for most people? Tim www.tri-team.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Timothy J. Carroll" writes Also, the olympic distance does not have the world-wide recognition from the non-triathlon public. The Ironman has that. Say Triathlon to non-triathlon public and they think 2.4/112/26.2, not some draft-legal, multi-sport, non-triathlon, wheel-sucking event. Some thoughts: To date that has probably been the case, but come september that will change. Remember that most people worldwide have never seen a triathlon live or on tv. The exposure of the Olympic race will be greater than probably every Hawaii Ironman ever filmed. Sure , the public that have heard of triathlon have likely heard of "that big race in Hawaii" – but regard it like a Raid Gallouise or Eco-Challenge. I think your resistance comes from the fact that you are basing your judgement on your own biased feelings, and of the people YOU associate with. In this matter that is not representative of most people. I don’t particularly like the concept of draft-legal races, but if that is what it takes to get our sport into the Olympics then it’s a small price to pay, and one that will not even be noticed by 99% of the viewers for who this will be the first triathlon they have watched. More people watch the Ironman than any ITU event. More people know who won the Ironman than any ITU event. I am a triathlete who keeps up with the sport, and I couldn’t name the winner of an ITU event. I could think that maybe Lessing or Jones may have won one, but couldn’t be sure. I know who won all the Ironman races though. Exactly confirms what i suggested above – that you’re forgetting that your knowledge of sport is from one very specific point. In a few years the general worldwide public and the Olympic-style triathlon will be united, and it will be the IM event that’s regarded as the oddball event. Sorry if this hurts you to accept it. I would not consider the winner of a wheel-sucking, multi-sport event as the best all-around athlete, but I would consider the winner of the Ironman, along with others. Tim I guess with that type of attitude my guess is that you probably wont accept it! Ken Steele

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Some thoughts: To date that has probably been the case, but come september that will change. Remember that most people worldwide have never seen a triathlon live or on tv. The exposure of the Olympic race will be greater than probably every Hawaii Ironman ever filmed. Sure , the public that have heard of triathlon have likely heard of "that big race in Hawaii" – but regard it like a Raid Gallouise or Eco-Challenge. I think your resistance comes from the fact that you are basing your judgement on your own biased feelings, and of the people YOU associate with. In this matter that is not representative of most people. I don’t particularly like the concept of draft-legal races, but if that is what it takes to get our sport into the Olympics then it’s a small price to pay, and one that will not even be noticed by 99% of the viewers for who this will be the first triathlon they have watched. More people watch the Ironman than any ITU event. More people know who won the Ironman than any ITU event. I am a triathlete who keeps up with the sport, and I couldn’t name the winner of an ITU event. I could think that maybe Lessing or Jones may have won one, but couldn’t be sure. I know who won all the Ironman races though.

Exactly confirms what i suggested above – that you’re forgetting that your knowledge of sport is from one very specific point. In a few years the general worldwide public and the Olympic-style triathlon will be united, and it will be the IM event that’s regarded as the oddball event. Sorry if this hurts you to accept it. I would not consider the winner of a wheel-sucking, multi-sport event as the best all-around athlete, but I would consider the winner of the Ironman, along with others. Tim

I guess with that type of attitude my guess is that you probably wont accept it! Ken Steele

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BIG SNIP | | OD has worldwide recognition? Nobody outside the Tri world knows what "olympic | distance" is. Some do know what the IM distance is however. I believe the IMH | winner could easily blow away the olympic winner at his own distance if you | negate the sucking of wheels. Really they should tie bungee chords to each | other on the run also. What a ridiculous way to race (wheel sucking or bungee | chord running). | | Interestingly (or not…) J

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Explaining is a pain in the ass

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In article <36DC420A.C9EDD…@srv.net>, w…@srv.net wrote:

| When people ask me how I am doing (you know, "I’m just being polite, I’m not really | interested") I just say "Not bad". If I say I’m OK or good or whatever, they | usually say something like "Oh, so you are getting over it then." When they ask me, I tell them "I’m surviving!". — Take care James (#11)

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On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:58:07 GMT, jbridg…@home.com (James Bridges) wrote: >In article <36DC420A.C9EDD…@srv.net>, w…@srv.net wrote: >| When people ask me how I am doing (you know, "I’m just being polite, I’m >not really >| interested") I just say "Not bad". If I say I’m OK or good or whatever, they >| usually say something like "Oh, so you are getting over it then." >When they ask me, I tell them "I’m surviving!".

My response: I’m miserably well. Donn

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The message <36dc5e6f.840…@news1.cheetah.net> from d…@cheetah.net contains these words: > >When they ask me, I tell them "I’m surviving!". > My response: I’m miserably well.

I say I’m alive. Helen

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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: > The message <36dc5e6f.840…@news1.cheetah.net> > from d…@cheetah.net contains these words: > > >When they ask me, I tell them "I’m surviving!". > > My response: I’m miserably well. > I say I’m alive. > Helen

When people ask me how I’m doin, I say, "I’m doin"! Lin

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>>I have a friend whose husband has MS also and she says his least favorite

line is "But you look so good!<< Warren, The NMSS has a publication by that very name. I got several copies, and immediately hand them to anyone who still *dares to say that to me! <smile> It certainly takes them by surprise, and keeps their mind on reading, rather than making comments! Judith

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Sorry, Paula… I wasn’t paying attention to your signature! ;-/ Judith

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For a long time I felt like an Arab: "Been better, been worse" Fred.

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I can sure sympathize. The disease hit my mom mentally worse than it did me. Try this or try that. The cod liver oil was the worst! I tried various things that she comes up with to humour her. She doesn’t understand that there is no magic cure! Sophie Motomij <moto…@aol.comelong> wrote in message

news:19990223214803.10898.00005073@ng148.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, so here I am with my actual diagnoses, and everyone else goes into > denial."Get a second opinion" etc. I patiently explain how the doctors arrived > at their conclusion, MRI, Spinal Tap etc. and they slowly realise that I might > not be dead after all. Then there is the "look" which hints that maybe I am OK, > after all I AM standing there talking to them. Of course they don’t know my > butt muscles are twitching and my hands are freezing on a warm day, that my > gyro keeps telling me the floor is 300 feet down. But I sure look good, at > least until they watch me limp away. > Then there are the things "you ought to try" > Of course I have tried chiropracters, acupuncture, aspartame and even expresso > enemas.( just kidding) and whatever else they suggest. But sometimes I just ask > them to refrain from practicing neurology without a license! > The worst was telling my mom, who at 77 years old edits a local major daily > newspaper and leaps tall buildings with a single bound. She needed to hear, but > I just dreaded making the call. I consoled her, and I knew that it was she who > would need it more than I. I told her that I would find time to cry myself, but > that I had to get in shape for a long fight first. > Thanks to all of you who welcomed me yesterday, and to anyone who would’ve. > Jim > Mas rapido! > http://members.aol.com/Motomij/yourhere.html > Remove "elong" to reply

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I have only been dealing with MS for a few months so don’t have much experience with it. I guess I was lucky I was diagnosed right away with a positive MRI and negative tests for "look-alike" problems. Didn’t have to wait years or have a lot of painful tests. I have a friend whose husband has MS also and she says his least favorite line is "But you look so good!" It is hard for people to understand that even though you look "normal" you HURT! Maybe we should start telling each other how awful we look When people ask me how I am doing (you know, "I’m just being polite, I’m not really interested") I just say "Not bad". If I say I’m OK or good or whatever, they usually say something like "Oh, so you are getting over it then." I don’t know if they don’t want to face the fact that there are some things in this life we are not going to get over or what, but they say the same kind of thing to my husband about his diabetes. But life goes on. Paula Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jsatch66 wrote: > Oh that is so true, explaining our MS never goes away. I feel the same as you. > Once I went through all the tests and the diagnosis was handed down, the denial > set in from all my family and friends. I was the only one that believed my dx. > I was just relieved to know I wasn’t going crazy and could put a name on what > was happening to my body. > People keep saying "try this, have you tried this?" Blah, blah, blah. My kids > and husband still don’t get it and don’t want to hear about it at all. I just > don’t look bad enough to them and I sometimes think they think I am > exaggerating my aches and pains. Keep posting, this group does get it. > Jeanne

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I work with a guy who has had MS for ten years and obviously I have asked him THOUSANDS of questions. I’m still not DX’d (Brain and spine MRI neg, no LP yet)) but I’ve got all the symptoms (sans ON) and have both a family history and a prior "what the hell was that" episode in ‘91 that was DX’d as transverse myelitis. How long did you have the symptoms before you were finally DX’d and how old are you ? See ya !! Motomij <moto…@aol.comelong> wrote in message

news:19990223214803.10898.00005073@ng148.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ok, so here I am with my actual diagnoses, and everyone else goes into >denial."Get a second opinion" etc. I patiently explain how the doctors arrived >at their conclusion, MRI, Spinal Tap etc. and they slowly realise that I might >not be dead after all. Then there is the "look" which hints that maybe I am OK, >after all I AM standing there talking to them. Of course they don’t know my >butt muscles are twitching and my hands are freezing on a warm day, that my >gyro keeps telling me the floor is 300 feet down. But I sure look good, at >least until they watch me limp away. >Then there are the things "you ought to try" >Of course I have tried chiropracters, acupuncture, aspartame and even expresso >enemas.( just kidding) and whatever else they suggest. But sometimes I just ask >them to refrain from practicing neurology without a license! >The worst was telling my mom, who at 77 years old edits a local major daily >newspaper and leaps tall buildings with a single bound. She needed to hear, but >I just dreaded making the call. I consoled her, and I knew that it was she who >would need it more than I. I told her that I would find time to cry myself, but >that I had to get in shape for a long fight first. >Thanks to all of you who welcomed me yesterday, and to anyone who would’ve. >Jim >Mas rapido! >http://members.aol.com/Motomij/yourhere.html >Remove "elong" to reply

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Ok, so here I am with my actual diagnoses, and everyone else goes into denial."Get a second opinion" etc. I patiently explain how the doctors arrived at their conclusion, MRI, Spinal Tap etc. and they slowly realise that I might not be dead after all. Then there is the "look" which hints that maybe I am OK, after all I AM standing there talking to them. Of course they don’t know my butt muscles are twitching and my hands are freezing on a warm day, that my gyro keeps telling me the floor is 300 feet down. But I sure look good, at least until they watch me limp away. Then there are the things "you ought to try" Of course I have tried chiropracters, acupuncture, aspartame and even expresso enemas.( just kidding) and whatever else they suggest. But sometimes I just ask them to refrain from practicing neurology without a license! The worst was telling my mom, who at 77 years old edits a local major daily newspaper and leaps tall buildings with a single bound. She needed to hear, but I just dreaded making the call. I consoled her, and I knew that it was she who would need it more than I. I told her that I would find time to cry myself, but that I had to get in shape for a long fight first. Thanks to all of you who welcomed me yesterday, and to anyone who would’ve. Jim Mas rapido! http://members.aol.com/Motomij/yourhere.html Remove "elong" to reply

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Sorry you’ve joined us John. I wish you were competing in an ironman triathalon instead. But hey, since you’re here, welcome, take off your coat and stay awhile. Tick…NE Texas

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Bill, It all started with a cervical compression injury in 4/97…numbness etc. I improved somewhat then had a rapid decline in the summer of 98. I was being routed towards a 3 level fusion, as I had pretty bad DDD in my neck. An ortho advised me to wait a while due to the poor outcomes of such surgeries and my lifestyle. I asked for a referral to a Neurologist to obtain another view of my situation, weakness, more numbness, moderate to severe pain etc. He put his finger on it immediately after a thorough Exam. Spinal tap and MRI of my c-spine and brain provided proof. I hit all the spots he said. So here I am. Jim Mas rapido! http://members.aol.com/Motomij/yourhere.html Remove "elong" to reply

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Hi Jim, I know the feeling. And I think everybody else here does too. That’s one of the requirements of having MS. Convincing others that you really do have it. <laughing> Now aint THAT a bitch!! It wasn’t enough being put through the mill and being called a nut case. Now it’s time for family and friends to go into denial. There’s really just no pleasing anybody. I suggest wearing a bright neon sign!! <laughing> And welcome!!! Take care, Dawn

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Oh that is so true, explaining our MS never goes away. I feel the same as you. Once I went through all the tests and the diagnosis was handed down, the denial set in from all my family and friends. I was the only one that believed my dx. I was just relieved to know I wasn’t going crazy and could put a name on what was happening to my body. People keep saying "try this, have you tried this?" Blah, blah, blah. My kids and husband still don’t get it and don’t want to hear about it at all. I just don’t look bad enough to them and I sometimes think they think I am exaggerating my aches and pains. Keep posting, this group does get it. Jeanne

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Dear Carmel, When you feel that way (like you’re being perceived as a whining fraud) just remember the ignorance of the general public in reference to ms & the scariness of this disease. You can lok the picture of heath one day & be hit full force with it the next. All of which scares not only you but the casual observer. They need to feel that -should they ever be presented with this difficulty

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In article <36D69966.30F5A…@north.net.au>, Carmel Pacey Digby <di…@north.net.au> writes: >I’m amazed how many people tell me "Oh, MS.  That’s not so bad.  >You can fix that with lifestyle and diet changes, or exercise.  Blah >Blah Blah."  Everyone knows someone who has it and it’s no big deal. >They make you feel like a whining fraud.

So screw them. I have an aunt who said, upon finding out I had quit working, that her neighbor had ms and she kept teaching school for 25 yrs. I explained that ms is different in everyone and progresses at a different rate, but she wasn’t interested. As far as she was concerned I was just lazy. We no longer have any contact. Good riddance. Kathi

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On 26 Feb 1999 12:34:07 GMT, jsatc…@aol.com (Jsatch66) wrote: >Oh that is so true, explaining our MS never goes away. I feel the same as you. CLIPPED >Jeanne

So "explaining" may have additional medical outcomes? I suffer from "explaining . . . and you know where it hurst the most. Donn

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You are all a pain in the A$$

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David, Regarding your comment >You are all a pain in the A$$ > When I was a child, we had an expression that perfectly suits this:

"It takes one to know one" Please speak to your psychiatrist soon – you definitely have a major sociological problem that needs to be dealt with!

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Excuse me? What are you doing on this site if you can’t communicate in a decent manner? Having opinions and feelings and advice are what a support group is all about. For you to be negative and call us all a pain in the ass doesn’t cut it. Do you have any constructive comments to make that are maybe a little more positive?

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Swim » Lurkers anon

Lurkers anon

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To get around the problem of your news server not getting enough postings, try www.dejanews.com. If you use the Power Search option, you can choose your desired newsgroup (RST?) and you’ll see a very current group of postings, as well as be able to find ANY posting since Mar ‘95 in most any newsgroup.

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To get around the problem of your news server not getting enough postings, try www.dejanews.com.

Hey, Pat Brug and I were talking about this. How does dejanews archive all these posts? Do they have a server just upstream from UUNet, capturing packets? QRman

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I know exactly how you feel. Anytime you want to chat to someone who is also bad at swimming, let me know.

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When I discovered RST a year ago, I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally. Before I get flamed, I am not being critical, just trying to be observant. There are some really interesting people in this group, and if I ever make it to a tri where you guys show up I’ll stop by to say hi.

Don’t let a non response to your postings hurt your feelings. I have a habit of writing stupid stories, and they often sort of hang out there silently. Later, I’ll run into all sorts of people at races who tell me they enjoyed them. I thought about it for a while, and there really was no way to respond. But that doesn’t mean they don’t get read. Just keep posting! Brian Sullivan

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Don’t let a non response to your postings hurt your feelings. I have a habit of writing stupid stories, and they often sort of hang out there silently.

I just want to go on record and say that I love your stupid stories. QRman

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To get around the problem of your news server not getting enough postings, try www.dejanews.com. Hey, Pat Brug and I were talking about this. How does dejanews archive all these posts? Do they have a server just upstream from UUNet, capturing packets?

Actually, I find that the USENET option in Altavista (www.altavista.digital.com) and Zippo (drn.zippo.com) have far more. Especially for non-US based lurkers. In the case of Altavista and other spidered engines, they use massive indexing engines that use software to roam the net (not just those intimately connected to your immediate domain) capturing messages. There are several strategies that are used besides spidering and agents. In general, most news feeds in the smaller provider world simply can’t keep up with the sheer volume of articles, so many (or some) get dropped off you local server. The solution to getting all the articles all teh time would be to turn this NG into a lsitserv. But then someone’s gotta host it… Tom

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Don’t let a non response to your postings hurt your feelings. I have a habit of writing stupid stories, and they often sort of hang out there silently. I just want to go on record and say that I love your stupid stories. QRman

Me, too. I print out copies for my non-cyber tri friends. They love them. Andrew Peabody Coconut Grove — Internet Communications Of America

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, I have been lurking here for almost a year. I used to do tri’s, but a shoulder injury keeps me from doing the swim correctly. I did two tri’s this year, I’m the one doing the breast stroke in the swim… far in the back. When I discovered RST a year ago, I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally. Before I get flamed, I am not being critical, just trying to be observant. There are some really interesting people in this group, and if I ever make it to a tri where you guys show up I’ll stop by to say hi. —John

Did not want to let you go off feeling unloved by just reading this and not reponding, so here it is. BTW I see your postings way to often for you to claim lurk status, face it you’ve become a computerized trigeek like it or not. TriRef

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Yes, I have been lurking here for almost a year. I used to do tri’s, but a shoulder injury keeps me from doing the swim correctly. I did two tri’s this year, I’m the one doing the breast stroke in the swim… far in the back. When I discovered RST a year ago, I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally. Before I get flamed, I am not being critical, just trying to be observant. There are some really interesting people in this group, and if I ever make it to a tri where you guys show up I’ll stop by to say hi. —John

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I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally.

Hey, sometimes I post and it just sits there like a beached whale. I choose to think it’s because my posts are received reverently, like a benediction. All other posts on that day are quickly replied to and dismissed, mine is up there marinating like a good steak. QRman

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Firstly, John, I would not call you a lurker. I can remember reading your posts about Speedplay covers, selling bikes, and roadie vs. tri-geek comments. I also remember your posting on doing a short triathlon in Texas — further research reveals that TriDork and Diana McLaughlin gave you encouragement for completing this tri. When I discovered RST a year ago, I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally.

This thought has crossed my mind, but I’ve found that posting and getting replies on the newsgroup can be really hit or miss. Sometimes people really are interested in your ideas, other times you barely get a response and on even more occaisions, people grab onto a tangent in a post that you never expected. Overall my experience from when I first started posting has been favorable in that I have never felt that my questions have been deemed "below normal". It’s also helped to have met people face to face at RST get togethers at races and carry on conversations online, but off newsgroup. Before I get flamed, I am not being critical, just trying to be observant. There are some really interesting people in this group, and if I ever make it to a tri where you guys show up I’ll stop by to say hi.

I don’t believe you’ll get flamed. Whether you want to admit it or not, you’ve done pretty well by the newsgroup, so chin up and keep posting. Tucker Newberry p.s. Now if you’d only lowered the price of the Kestrel you were selling, I might have responded to more of your postings

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally. Hey, sometimes I post and it just sits there like a beached whale. I choose to think it’s because my posts are received reverently, like a benediction. All other posts on that day are quickly replied to and dismissed, mine is up there marinating like a good steak. QRman

As the original poster stated..the RST group appears at times to be "clickish", and after reading QRman’s post I just laughed out loud..it’s true that if you’re not a name nor a ‘placer’ … you’re just a another "wannabe" or a number coming across the finish line.. while some of us dont have all of that fancy equipment and we survive some of the events (like for me..the swim is the worst! Maybe be cuz I haven’t trained in that area).. Someday, just maybe someday..we’ll be able to stand in your presence and look you immortals and say, "Yup! I’m a RST lurker!" but we’ll be the ones looking at you from a distance and won’t dare walk over to where you’ll all be meeting… maybe next year

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted and replied to several messages. Never got much of a response. Somehow, I get the impression that if you are not a regular poster to this group then your opinions, thoughts, questions are deemed below normal status. This is why I lurk and only pop up occassionally. Hey, sometimes I post and it just sits there like a beached whale. I choose to think it’s because my posts are received reverently, like a benediction. All other posts on that day are quickly replied to and dismissed, mine is up there marinating like a good steak. QRman

I’ve seen the same thing happen to some of my posts. Have you also noticed that you often see replies to posts that you never saw? My ISP explained to me that often items that one posts never get past their own server, hence no response since no one sees it except the persons on that server. Also servers can’t pick up every article on every group due to various reasons. One server may be down while another is retrieving articles, etc. My server was down off and on every day for about 2 weeks and I was only picking up 4-5 articles a day from RST. If I checked my AOL newsgroups, nothing I had posted was there. No big loss to you out there, but this always seems to happen when I have something to say. It’s probably not working now. Andrew Peabody Coconut Grove,FL — Internet Communications Of America

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Olympic Triathlon » New Pro Tour Announced

New Pro Tour Announced

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It was reported in the AGE newspaper that a new international triathlon tour will be launched today (25/3/95). The field includes Beven, Welsh, Lessing, Allen and Smith.

And the Mike Pigg, also Aussie juniors Chris Hill, Ben Bright and British Richard Allen An earlier post of mine is haunting me .. Remember a little while back I made parallels twixt the ARL (Oz Rugger) and the ‘rebel’ Super League? Well .. La de da.. guess what? Pacific Sports Entertainment is the same company who was firing up Super League. It makes me wonder whether this too is ‘just’ a battle of media magnates ..

Funny that. Turns out the ITGP organisers recieved a letter from Mike Gilmore saying the ITU were interested in working with the ITGP, but then a month later, after the ITGP start to organise themeselves to meet the ITU’s requirements, find the ITU have signed with PSE – Rupert Murdoch’s Pacific Sports Entertainment. So the ITU had their chance, both to treat the athletes fairly, and deal with the ITGP in cooperation, but lools like they blew it. Lets just hope though the athletes don’t remain the meet-in-the sandwich of a wrangle between both organisers – ITU and ITGP and their respective backers – Murdoch vs Packer. What’s a media company doing running sports any way. Sounds Like a good chance to broadcast inbreed news of our own promotions. Does that mean Murdoch owned Newspapers/TV’s will slang the ITGP?? Richard

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According to todays (Sat 30 March) Telegraph Mirror, Miles Stewart has signed with the ITU’s world Cup series. The article was as follows; "MILES BETTER FOR MILES." " Australias former world champion Miles Stewart yesterday aligned himself with the International Triathlon Union and its world cup series as the feud continued between the ITU and Sydney-based company OnLine Sports Promotions. Stewart, who won the 1991 world title, was the first big name in men’s triathlon to officially align himself with the ITU since rumours started earlier this month of a new international series. "The ITU competition has been getting stronger year by year and their series is the one approved by the International Olympic Committee," Stewart said in a media release" Well, there you have it…….As most know, Miles did quite well last year in the series (not sure of his final overall placing), coming second to Brad Beven on more than one occasion. If everyone else (read; Brad Beven)is leaving the ITU to join OnLine’s new series, then Miles could very well find himself the no.1 athlete. I’m sure that this would be great for him from a financial point of view, with increased exposure, etc. However, I’m hoping for the new series to go really well. OnLine are a great team, and put on some outstanding races here in Australia. After all, look at the coverage they got with the St George Bank (formerly Tooheys Blue) Triathlon Grand Prix series. With much greater funding, they will put on a super series. Stewart Ralph Royal Australian Air Force Canberra, ACT AUSTRALIA "I choose not to put my signature line here, starting….now."

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It was reported in the AGE newspaper that a new international triathlon tour will be launched today (25/3/95). The tour named the International Grand Prix (IGP) will be run by the three Bray Brothers of Sydney, who also run the Australian Triathlon Grand Prix (TGP). The races will be similar the TGP with short loopy made for TV courses. The series has Pay-tv Sponsorship with each event carrying a prize pool of $100,000 (I don’t know if thats US or Aussie dollars). All of the athletes have been promised good contracts including retainers, accomodation, health insurance and travel. Not surprisingly Les McDonald is pissed off and has warned athletes that if they don’t take part in the ITU World cup they can’t qualify for the Olympics. According to Hayden Bray the IGP had approached the ITU to co-ordinate dates of races etc. and had had their offer rejected. The IGP has scooped the pool of triathletes to come with probably the best line up seen in a race in years. The field includes Beven, Welsh, Lessing, Allen and Smith. An earlier post of mine is haunting me .. Remember a little while back I made parallels twixt the ARL (Oz Rugger) and the ‘rebel’ Super League? The ARL being "Optus Pay TV/Kerry Packer" backed and the Super League being "FoxTel/Rupert Murdoch" backed. To date, ARL (err .. the establishment in this case) seems to have won the legal battles against the rebel Super League forming. Well .. La de da.. guess what? Pacific Sports Entertainment is the same company who was firing up Super League (see today’s Melbourne Age paper – triathlon article), they are also the ones who handle the World Cup Series productions. If I understood recent posts, Online Promotions (TGP/IGP) or the Bray Bros have backing from Kerry Packer (could someone please clarify this). It makes me wonder whether this too is ‘just’ a battle of media magnates .. Isn’t there a remote, unused planet somewhere out there … ? (Sigh) — Paul Menon

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It was reported in the AGE newspaper that a new international triathlon tour will be launched today (25/3/95). The tour named the International Grand Prix (IGP) will be run by the three Bray Brothers of Sydney, who also run the Australian Triathlon Grand Prix (TGP). The races will be similar the TGP with short loopy made for TV courses. The series has Pay-tv Sponsorship with each event carrying a prize pool of $100,000 (I don’t know if thats US or Aussie dollars). All of the athletes have been promised good contracts including retainers, accomodation, health insurance and travel. Not surprisingly Les McDonald is pissed off and has warned athletes that if they don’t take part in the ITU World cup they can’t qualify for the Olympics. According to Hayden Bray the IGP had approached the ITU to co-ordinate dates of races etc. and had had their offer rejected. The IGP has scooped the pool of triathletes to come with probably the best line up seen in a race in years. The field includes Beven, Welsh, Lessing, Allen and Smith. I don’t know the rest of the field as it was not in the report I read. The men will have ten races in Paris (July), Germany (August), Austria (September), Spain (September), United States (September and October), Brazil (October), Japan (November), Asia (venue to be decided with the last race to be held in outback Australia. Three womens races will be held in 1996 with the hope of a full series the next year. Smith was quoted as saying "It’s not nice to have factions all over the place. It doesn’t make for a happy house but the ITU won’t listen to the athletes" I try and contact On-line Promotions today to get further details of the new tour.

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Bike » 7/23 Big Bear Du/Tri, CA r.s.t. $discount!!!

7/23 Big Bear Du/Tri, CA r.s.t. $discount!!!

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Since I do a lot of volunteer work for one of the local race directors, he’s going to let me give you guys a discount to the Big Bear Tri/Du Challenge that’s held at Big Bear Lake in Southern California on 7/23. I’ll give anyone who mentions rec.sport.triathlon $5 off the Saturday registration, and I’ll waive the late fee ($10) if you sign up Sunday morning and mention r.s.t. And if Ruth (Kazez) shows up, she can race for free! (I really wanna meet her). The race is a 1/2 mile swim (or 1.8 mile run), 15 mile bike around the lake, and a 4 mile run. It’s at altitude so you really feel it if you’re a sea-level dweller like me. For more info, call (714) 858-7386. The race fee is $45 plus $5 for non-Tri-Fed to everyone else. I’ll be the tall brunette working registration with the r.s.t. singlet on and the 5-year old daughter running all over the place. And of course I’ll answer to TriGal! ; ) TriGal

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TriGal, If I have already entered do I get a five dollar refund???? Look for me, I’ll be the one lugging around bike racks & setting up the swim course!!

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TriGal, If I have already entered do I get a five dollar refund???? Look for me, I’ll be the one lugging around bike racks & setting up the swim course!!

Sure Flip, I’ll give you a refund….but only if you can prove that Dennis actually made you PAY for the race in the first place!!! TriGal

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Results » Thanks

Thanks

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<<In the year or so, I have been part of this group, I’ve been the flamer, <<the flamee, made some damned good friends and learned more about triathlon <<than in previous years combined. I really look forward to logging in every <<day and seeing what you all have to say. I really want to flame you bad right now, but because you just gave birth I’ll wait a few days. QRman

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Just wanted to say thanks for all of the kind wishes and nice thoughts from my fellow rst’rs. Baby Madison Laine Zagarino is home and leading us through a sleep deprivation study. The results are….I’m too beat to discuss the results. In the year or so, I have been part of this group, I’ve been the flamer, the flamee, made some damned good friends and learned more about triathlon than in previous years combined. I really look forward to logging in every day and seeing what you all have to say. This is the reason I keep competing. I could have done one triathlon for the challenge, but I’ve done over a hundred because of the people. <sappy, sentimental mode off (being a new father will do that to you) ZAG

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon » Tri it in Singapore

Tri it in Singapore

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Hi there everyone! I am writing from a small island state of Singapore.For anyone dropping by, we’re having our National Championships on the 15th of May.The prize money’s great, S$5000 for the first finisher(=US$3000).Spencer Smith won it last year.Mail me if interested

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HI! Following a certain unconstructive reply made by someone in my University, I would like to verify myself on the earlier article posted.The race we are having is called the ‘REEBOK-LIFEFORCE INTERNATIONAL TRIATHLON’, also regarded by the local guys as the National championships as it is the National team qualifier.Forms would be out sonn, and I would be glad to send them to anyone interested.

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