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Gemma – suggest you read ALL the crap that my friend has put my through since making a harmless offer. If you don’t wish to I can live with that. Rod

Often it is when under pressure that a person’s true feelings and opinions come out.  If you can’t handle a little flaming, then you have come to the wrong group.  An adult and certainly a professional should be able to choose his words more carefully, especially considering that your presence here is a marketing effort.

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I thought that you Aussies, both male and female, shared a common robust attitude towards the world and each other.

Yup, generally that’s right.  We’re all about fair-go and taking things ‘on the chin’.  If the rest of the Aussie female athletes are as ‘girlie’ as your post tends to suggest, then I can fully understand why some appear to have reservations about the policy of sex integration in Australian sport.

I’m very sorry if it came across as girly (can’t see how it did), ‘girlyness’ is very out of character for me.  I don’t know if racing in the US/UK is different from here but there aren’t many ‘girly’ girls who stick around in the sport – most women relish the challenge and opportunity of racing the men, and the men don’t mind the extra competition…. Gemma

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I don’t know if racing in the US/UK is different from here but there aren’t many ‘girly’ girls who stick around in the sport – most women relish the challenge and opportunity of racing the men, and the men don’t mind the extra competition…. Gemma

This kind of disqualifies Rod as one of the "men," now doesn’t it.  Thanks for the further evidence, Gemma!

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Wow.

etc. Gemma, what did you honestly expect Roddy-boy to put in magazine articles? Four-letter words and blunt views on some of his fellow athletes?  That’s going to get him published.   And, presumably, that wasn’t what he was commissioned to write.   You’re shocked he has opinions?    You’re stunned he doesn’t like some aspects of the sport he coaches?   You’re amazed he hates some folk?   Get a grip woman. If you’re in any sport and you – not unreasonably – expect equality, then stop acting like a twittering schoolgirl when you find something that surprises you.   Sure, you may personally find Rod’ s attitude on some matters poor (I wasn’t that impressed myself) so if you feel that strongly email him and talk it through, don’t act like a shocked innocent on Usenet. If he’d attacked you on Usenet, then fine, reply on that medium like Henry and his babe  - sorry guys . I thought that you Aussies, both male and female, shared a common robust attitude towards the world and each other.   If the rest of the Aussie female athletes are as ‘girlie’ as your post tends to suggest, then I can fully understand why some appear to have reservations about the policy of sex integration in Australian sport.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow. etc. Gemma, what did you honestly expect Roddy-boy to put in magazine articles? Four-letter words and blunt views on some of his fellow athletes?  That’s going to get him published.   And, presumably, that wasn’t what he was commissioned to write.   You’re shocked he has opinions?    You’re stunned he doesn’t like some aspects of the sport he coaches?   You’re amazed he hates some folk?   Get a grip woman. If you’re in any sport and you – not unreasonably – expect equality, then stop acting like a twittering schoolgirl when you find something that surprises you.   Sure, you may personally find Rod’ s attitude on some matters poor (I wasn’t that impressed myself) so if you feel that strongly email him and talk it through, don’t act like a shocked innocent on Usenet. If he’d attacked you on Usenet, then fine, reply on that medium like Henry and his babe  - sorry guys . I thought that you Aussies, both male and female, shared a common robust attitude towards the world and each other.   If the rest of the Aussie female athletes are as ‘girlie’ as your post tends to suggest, then I can fully understand why some appear to have reservations about the policy of sex integration in Australian sport.

Rog, you have pretty robust views on Gemma’s comments.  You’ve been pretty bold here on the groups. Now, I dare you to say that to her face. Mark M

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Gemma – suggest you read ALL the crap that my friend has put my through since making a harmless offer. If you don’t wish to I can live with that. Rod – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow. As an Australian woman, who used to enjoy reading Rod’s articles in the Australian triathlon magazines (I would have said he is relatively well known author here in Oz in triathlon circles), I am pretty horrified by what you’ve written lately. Rod, you’d know that women cyclists in Oz commonly race with the men in everything from the track (which BTW you think’s boring, from reading another of your posts, the 4000m Commonwealth teams pursuit didn’t seem to boring to me!!) to crits to the road, and some women do a pretty good job of ripping the legs off quite a few of the men – and these men aren’t ashamed to have been beaten.  I have never had a man indicate in any way that his pride was hurt, having to lower himself to race in a grade against me, a ‘defenceless woman’. All I can say is you’re lucky you also haven’t trolled aus.bicycle as well, undermining what little, if any, local respect you have left.   You seem to forget that a lot of Australians read newsgroups too, and that everything you’ve written can quite easily be found on Google, forever associated with your name. Apologies to aus.bicycle for crossposting, but some Australian cyclists and triathletes might be interested in what ‘local’ Rod Cedaro has to say in rec.bicycles.racing and elsewhere.  Nowhere as informative, objective and scientific as his magazine articles, but far more entertaining (only if you can stand his use of expletives) Gemma (in Adelaide, Australia) If I had to race "head to head" with women I don’t think my pride would allow me to – especially if I didn’t have the skills to keep the bike upright and I was running some of those poor defenseless women down. Like I said previously – quick while you’re ahead or aren’t you reading what everyone else aside from your boyfriend Henry is saying – then again, you are his bitch so I guess he’ll go into battle for his woman – by the way there is a question on altitude simulation posted by Greg Benson down the list – this is an area I have some expertise in. Have a read and learn something you mother fucking son of a bitch. <snip Because in smaller local races one often sees Cat 4/5 and women’s fields combined.  If you knew absolutely anything about racing other than triathlons, you would know this you stupid fuck.

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Rog, you have pretty robust views on Gemma’s comments.  You’ve been pretty bold here on the groups. Now, I dare you to say that to her face.

I imagine that Gemma can defend her own comments Mark.   Despite being a troll, I do have standards.   I’d NEVER say anything on a newsgroup that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face.   And yes, I have the bruises to prove it (a heated exchange of views on Sunday with farmer who owned a track I was running on.   He won.)

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Ouch.  That’s gotta sting from a business standpoint.  Welcome to the connected world, Rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow. As an Australian woman, who used to enjoy reading Rod’s articles in the Australian triathlon magazines (I would have said he is relatively well known author here in Oz in triathlon circles), I am pretty horrified by what you’ve written lately. Rod, you’d know that women cyclists in Oz commonly race with the men in everything from the track (which BTW you think’s boring, from reading another of your posts, the 4000m Commonwealth teams pursuit didn’t seem to boring to me!!) to crits to the road, and some women do a pretty good job of ripping the legs off quite a few of the men – and these men aren’t ashamed to have been beaten.  I have never had a man indicate in any way that his pride was hurt, having to lower himself to race in a grade against me, a ‘defenceless woman’. All I can say is you’re lucky you also haven’t trolled aus.bicycle as well, undermining what little, if any, local respect you have left.   You seem to forget that a lot of Australians read newsgroups too, and that everything you’ve written can quite easily be found on Google, forever associated with your name. Apologies to aus.bicycle for crossposting, but some Australian cyclists and triathletes might be interested in what ‘local’ Rod Cedaro has to say in rec.bicycles.racing and elsewhere.  Nowhere as informative, objective and scientific as his magazine articles, but far more entertaining (only if you can stand his use of expletives) Gemma (in Adelaide, Australia) If I had to race "head to head" with women I don’t think my pride would allow me to – especially if I didn’t have the skills to keep the bike upright and I was running some of those poor defenseless women down. Like I said previously – quick while you’re ahead or aren’t you reading what everyone else aside from your boyfriend Henry is saying – then again, you are his bitch so I guess he’ll go into battle for his woman – by the way there is a question on altitude simulation posted by Greg Benson down the list – this is an area I have some expertise in. Have a read and learn something you mother fucking son of a bitch. <snip Because in smaller local races one often sees Cat 4/5 and women’s fields combined.  If you knew absolutely anything about racing other than triathlons, you would know this you stupid fuck.

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Wow. As an Australian woman, who used to enjoy reading Rod’s articles in the Australian triathlon magazines (I would have said he is relatively well known author here in Oz in triathlon circles), I am pretty horrified by what you’ve written lately.

I must say that I hold the same opinion. On the other hand it is really easy to have enough of the generally clueless mob who seem to have attacked him merely for offering to share some of his knowledge. Was he "trolling for clients"? Somehow I question how someone in Oz could make a significant impact on a rider in America. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rod, you’d know that women cyclists in Oz commonly race with the men in everything from the track (which BTW you think’s boring, from reading another of your posts, the 4000m Commonwealth teams pursuit didn’t seem to boring to me!!) to crits to the road, and some women do a pretty good job of ripping the legs off quite a few of the men – and these men aren’t ashamed to have been beaten.  I have never had a man indicate in any way that his pride was hurt, having to lower himself to race in a grade against me, a ‘defenceless woman’. All I can say is you’re lucky you also haven’t trolled aus.bicycle as well, undermining what little, if any, local respect you have left.   You seem to forget that a lot of Australians read newsgroups too, and that everything you’ve written can quite easily be found on Google, forever associated with your name. Apologies to aus.bicycle for crossposting, but some Australian cyclists and triathletes might be interested in what ‘local’ Rod Cedaro has to say in rec.bicycles.racing and elsewhere.  Nowhere as informative, objective and scientific as his magazine articles, but far more entertaining (only if you can stand his use of expletives) Gemma (in Adelaide, Australia) If I had to race "head to head" with women I don’t think my pride would allow me to – especially if I didn’t have the skills to keep the bike upright and I was running some of those poor defenseless women down. Like  I said previously – quick while you’re ahead or aren’t you reading what everyone else aside from your boyfriend Henry is saying – then again, you are his bitch so I guess he’ll go into battle for his woman – by the way there is a question on altitude simulation posted by Greg Benson down the list – this is an area I have some expertise in. Have a read and learn something you mother fucking son of a bitch. <snip Because in smaller local races one often sees Cat 4/5 and women’s fields combined.  If you knew absolutely anything about racing other than triathlons, you would know this you stupid fuck.

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Wow. As an Australian woman, who used to enjoy reading Rod’s articles in the Australian triathlon magazines (I would have said he is relatively well known author here in Oz in triathlon circles), I am pretty horrified by what you’ve written lately. Rod, you’d know that women cyclists in Oz commonly race with the men in everything from the track (which BTW you think’s boring, from reading another of your posts, the 4000m Commonwealth teams pursuit didn’t seem to boring to me!!) to crits to the road, and some women do a pretty good job of ripping the legs off quite a few of the men – and these men aren’t ashamed to have been beaten.  I have never had a man indicate in any way that his pride was hurt, having to lower himself to race in a grade against me, a ‘defenceless woman’. All I can say is you’re lucky you also haven’t trolled aus.bicycle as well, undermining what little, if any, local respect you have left.   You seem to forget that a lot of Australians read newsgroups too, and that everything you’ve written can quite easily be found on Google, forever associated with your name. Apologies to aus.bicycle for crossposting, but some Australian cyclists and triathletes might be interested in what ‘local’ Rod Cedaro has to say in rec.bicycles.racing and elsewhere.  Nowhere as informative, objective and scientific as his magazine articles, but far more entertaining (only if you can stand his use of expletives) Gemma (in Adelaide, Australia)

If I had to race "head to head" with women I don’t think my pride would allow me to – especially if I didn’t have the skills to keep the bike upright and I was running some of those poor defenseless women down. Like I said previously – quick while you’re ahead or aren’t you reading what everyone else aside from your boyfriend Henry is saying – then again, you are his bitch so I guess he’ll go into battle for his woman – by the way there is a question on altitude simulation posted by Greg Benson down the list – this is an area I have some expertise in. Have a read and learn something you mother fucking son of a bitch.

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because in smaller local races one often sees Cat 4/5 and women’s fields combined.  If you knew absolutely anything about racing other than triathlons, you would know this you stupid fuck.

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I’m plannning to do a half-ironman how much of my time should I devote to each sport. Currently…..Bike 50%.. run.. 30%..swim 20%.                                                     G.Cook

One way of deciding is according to your estimated split times. e.g. if you’re predicting (say): 50 min swim 3 hour bike 1 hour 40 run you can work out the percentage of the time you will spend on each discipline. Use those to determine the percentage time you spend training in each discipline. If you are particularly week in one discipline, you might like to spend more time on that one – the slogan is "race to your strengths, train to your weaknesses". You can tell how strong or weak each discipline is by comparing you split times on race results (ideally on a race of the same length, but it’s not critical). e.g if you came (say) 50th overall and you came out of the water in 75th place and your bike split was the 40th fastest and you did the 52nd fastest run split then your swim is particularly week and you need to work on it. Have fun! adrian

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Another way we like to look at this is comparing actual time differences out of first place (or wherever you might like to be) instead or relative placement. e.g. in a recent sprint: 24 seconds behind first out of water, 30 seconds behind fastest bike, 6 seconds behind fastest T1 and 3 seconds behind fastest T2 3 min 15 secs behind fastest run !! Guess where all the work is now going to go! Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m plannning to do a half-ironman how much of my time should I devote to each sport. Currently…..Bike 50%.. run.. 30%..swim 20%. If you are particularly week in one discipline, you might like to spend more time on that one – e.g if you came (say) 50th overall and you came out of the water in 75th place and your bike split was the 40th fastest and you did the 52nd fastest run split then your swim is particularly week and you need to work on it.

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I’m plannning to do a half-ironman how much of my time should I devote to each sport. Currently…..Bike 50%.. run.. 30%..swim 20%.                                                     G.Cook

        All depends what your strengths and weaknesses are. If you are a good swimmer, then work on the other two. A good runner should focus on the biking and swimming, etc… Generally, I am average in all three areas, and my breakdown is as follows: swim: 20%, bike 45%, and run 35%. However, over the winter my swimming and running increase as I can only stand so many hours on the indoor trainer. (NO MORE BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER!!) From May to September, the biking increases by a large percentage, and so it goes… Hope this helps David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Take a look at some past results for your age group.   Use these to identify your strengths or weak link.   Put more focus on your weakest event.   Your existing plan is probably good.  I probably spend a little less time swimming but should do more as indicated by my results.   I think it is very important to do over distance training for the half IM distance.   Get your endurance up and then work speed.   Just my opinion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m plannning to do a half-ironman how much of my time should I devote to each sport. Currently…..Bike 50%.. run.. 30%..swim 20%.                                                    G.Cook

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There is of course the compromise solution to this, that I’ve resorted to.  I flip turn at the deep end of the pool, but always chicken out at the shallow end because I have no idea how much depth I need to turn without hitting the bottom…. or maybe I should just admit I’m not confident about flip turns in less than 6 feet of water  : ) Liz

Liz:      Unless the length from your waist to the top of your head is 4 feet or more (which accounts for a vast majority of humans), you should easily clear the bottom of the pool. If you look at the flip turn, you flip from your waist which stays at the surface mostly throughout the entire turn. Even if you exceed that 4 feet margin, you still should be able to clear the bottom since you would tucking yourself in the beginning of the turn.      What you probably see in the shallow end is an illusion of sorts, making the shallow end look shallower, which can compound your fears.  The light that is received by the eyes has been refracted by the goggles (and the transition from water to air inside the goggles), giving you the illusion that the floor is *really* shallow. So, seeing isn’t really believing. If you don’t understand what I just said, don’t worry about it. Just remember the illusion exists.      Once you do your first flip turn in shallow water you should be able to set your fears aside and start doing them on a regular basis. Good luck.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC IS NEAR! IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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That’s how I eased myself into it also, but eventually you come to realise that you can do it in the shallow end no worries. Good confidence booster that I used — grab onto the lane rope at the shallow end, and practice flipping over it. You’ll come to realise you have heaps of room under you. — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is of course the compromise solution to this, that I’ve resorted to.  I flip turn at the deep end of the pool, but always chicken out at the shallow end because I have no idea how much depth I need to turn without hitting the bottom…. or maybe I should just admit I’m not confident about flip turns in less than 6 feet of water  : ) Liz

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Thanks for the suggestions – I’ll find a nice quiet time and practice. unfortunately we’ve just lost our swimming coach for a couple of weeks – he’s off to Canada – some place called Penticton ; ) – to do *the* race. …. to all those going to IMC ‘have a good one’! That’s how I eased myself into it also, but eventually you come to realise that you can do it in the shallow end no worries. Good confidence booster that I used — grab onto the lane rope at the shallow end, and practice flipping over it. You’ll come to realise you have heaps of room under you.

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There is of course the compromise solution to this, that I’ve resorted to.  I flip turn at the deep end of the pool, but always chicken out at the shallow end because I have no idea how much depth I need to turn without hitting the bottom…. or maybe I should just admit I’m not confident about flip turns in less than 6 feet of water  : ) Liz

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(From Todd, not Lauren…) I was an adamant open turn fan because everytime I did a flip turn I received a blast of chlorine up my sinuses.  I figured since I was a triathlete, I didn’t need to flip my turns. Well, after getting my butt kicked in a few triathlons with pool swims, my wife talked me into learning a proper turn.  Now I feel wierd when I do an open turn.  Heck, I even flip my backstroke turns and have a hard time not doing flips for breaststroke and fly (but the importanct of doing other strokes besides freestyle can be argued in another thread). What am I trying to say here?  Well, my 100 times dropped immediately and I was able to move up a lane at Master’s.  And the fact that you get one less breath at the turns in practice helps in the open water (imagine a wave in your face just as you turn to breathe). But most important, it looks cool. 8^) There are drills you can do to learn.  Ask an age-group swim coach – they are teaching kids everyday how to do flips. Todd Jensen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Respectfully disagree.  There are no flip turns in triathlons.  You’re better off expending your energy, concentration, and AIR on your strokes between the walls.  Being a master flip turn expert will not save you a single second in a triathlon race.  However, swimming a longer workout because you didn’t waste time and effort practicing something you will never use WILL improve your times! — Mark (competitive swimmer for 25 years) Well, the points here are always arguable to a degree, and I guess everyone will ultimately go by what they’re comfortable with. As for expending energy, IMHO, I think doing the flip turn requires a lot less energy than an open turn, especially when the distances get long i.e. 800-1000 meters. Again, it’s arguable, but I tend to disagree with the above post.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC IS NEAR! IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

I have to agree with Pete. I didn’t do triathlons until two years ago, even when the coach told me too. Now I do them all the time. At first you might find that you spend more energy doing them than open turns. But that is until you get the proper breathing rythm, just like for straight swimming. Since I am used to doing them I am wondering why I ever did these open turns. That is just my personal experience. — Achim Wilfried Heinle

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Pete’s right, (again IMHO).  The less time you spend on the wall, the better. Our coach has got us doing two related things to this – making us do flip turns in the kick sets – that’s the hardest thing we’ve ever done, i reckon, and doing swims with no bottom, no sides, ie turning without the aid of walls, or feet touching the bottom of the pool.  500 metres of this is a real killer. One final thing I noticed when i first started doing flip turns (about 3months after i started swimming – only 2.5 years ago), is that they simulate going round the buoys in a race quite well.  There’s just that few seconds without air that you get when you charge round a swim marker. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Respectfully disagree.  There are no flip turns in triathlons.  You’re better off expending your energy, concentration, and AIR on your strokes between the walls.  Being a master flip turn expert will not save you a single second in a triathlon race.  However, swimming a longer workout because you didn’t waste time and effort practicing something you will never use WILL improve your times! — Mark (competitive swimmer for 25 years) Well, the points here are always arguable to a degree, and I guess everyone will ultimately go by what they’re comfortable with. As for expending energy, IMHO, I think doing the flip turn requires a lot less energy than an open turn, especially when the distances get long i.e. 800-1000 meters. Again, it’s arguable, but I tend to disagree with the above post.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC IS NEAR! IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Respectfully disagree.  There are no flip turns in triathlons.  You’re better off expending your energy, concentration, and AIR on your strokes between the walls.  Being a master flip turn expert will not save you a single second in a triathlon race.  However, swimming a longer workout because you didn’t waste time and effort practicing something you will never use WILL improve your times! — Mark (competitive swimmer for 25 years)

Mark, Respectfully disagree.  You say that you’re loosing energy, concentration and air. That’s what are saying people that are learning to do flip turn. Train yourself and you will change you’re mind. Why flip turns ? Because: 1) they are easier (less energy) 2) they are faster 3) and last but not least, they don’t break you’re stroke rythm. 4) … Olivier (competitive swimmer for less than that) (sorry for my english) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You definitly want to do flip turns while swimming. T

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You definitly want to do flip turns while swimming. While it increases the continuality of your swim, it also makes you look like a real swimmer, which is sometimes a big thing to us triathletes (i.e. shaved legs). T — Anthony Edward Berwald Georgia Institute of Technology

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Respectfully disagree.  There are no flip turns in triathlons.  You’re better off expending your energy, concentration, and AIR on your strokes between the walls.  Being a master flip turn expert will not save you a single second in a triathlon race.  However, swimming a longer workout because you didn’t waste time and effort practicing something you will never use WILL improve your times! — Mark (competitive swimmer for 25 years) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You definitly want to do flip turns while swimming. T

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Respectfully disagree.  There are no flip turns in triathlons.  You’re better off expending your energy, concentration, and AIR on your strokes between the walls.  Being a master flip turn expert will not save you a single second in a triathlon race.  However, swimming a longer workout because you didn’t waste time and effort practicing something you will never use WILL improve your times! — Mark (competitive swimmer for 25 years)

Well, the points here are always arguable to a degree, and I guess everyone will ultimately go by what they’re comfortable with. As for expending energy, IMHO, I think doing the flip turn requires a lot less energy than an open turn, especially when the distances get long i.e. 800-1000 meters. Again, it’s arguable, but I tend to disagree with the above post.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC IS NEAR! IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Hey RST’ers, Did anyone read that article in this month’s triathlete mag, (yes I finally got mine), about the triathlon coach talking training.  He claims that with a proper base, you can prepare for an Iron Man in 8 weeks.  And  only five of those 8 are intense training the 3 are tapering.  Do any of you experienced Iron Men and Women have any comments for this.  I think I have a decent base.  This article seemed to give me some new light.  Is he blowing smoke or what? Email me please.  Thanks Oli

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Did anyone read that article in this month’s triathlete mag, (yes I finally got mine), about the triathlon coach talking training.  He claims that with a proper base, you can prepare for an Iron Man in 8 weeks.  And  only five of those 8 are intense training the 3 are tapering.  Do any of you experienced Iron Men and Women have any comments for this.  I think I have a decent base.  This article seemed to give me some new light.  Is he blowing smoke or what? Email me please.  Thanks

I haven’t read the article yet, but I tend to believe it. The 5 weeks of intense training I assume would be kind of what a good number of people call a "sharpening phase". But, like you said, you need a proper base. I just got the mag, so I need to read up on this before I make any further assessment.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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A while ago I read some great articles on heartrate.  All sorts of stuff about levels I, II, III, and IV.  It said stuff about what the percentages of max heart rate were for each level of intensity and what kind of training each was used for.  Lots of good and helpful heartrate information.  As captain of my cross country team next year I’ve been telling the guys all about this HRM stuff.  I know the basics of training at different intensities for different distances and for different amounts of time.  I would like to go back and review all of the info that I had read to get the specifics of it to design workouts.  Most of us are getting HRM’s (most being 3 out of the 5 that actually serious about running and are going to be training with me this summer) so it would be good to have the specifics of training with a HRM.  Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know???  I can’t seem to find all the stuff that I read anywhere…. looked through all of my old Transition Times, Triathlete, Inside Triathlon and my personal athletic library and can’t find it anywhere!!! I know you probably don’t know the exact source where I read about this stuff but any info would help.  Any help please?? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III

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Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III

Sal, I’m going to pass on the same information I did to one of you previous postings. See Sally Edwards books. She is the formost expert in training with the heart rate monitors. She has a degree in exercise physiology and is a world ranked endurance athlete at age 50! It sounds as though you are ready for her book Heart Zone Training (10.95). Her newest book, Smart Heart (24.95) isn’t currently listed on her website http://www.heartzone.com. These books are available at major books stores or directly from her website. Don’t forget about proper training plans. If you are cross country runners, you are in the offseason and training should be geared to that period until preseason begins. You want to peak at the appropriate time, not before the season ends. Bill Stainbrook physical educator, endurance athlete and coach

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Try our web site at http://www.pursuit-performance.com.au I’m sure you will find what you are looking for… Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III Sal, I’m going to pass on the same information I did to one of you previous postings. See Sally Edwards books. She is the formost expert in training with the heart rate monitors. She has a degree in exercise physiology and is a world ranked endurance athlete at age 50! It sounds as though you are ready for her book Heart Zone Training (10.95). Her newest book, Smart Heart (24.95) isn’t currently listed on her website http://www.heartzone.com. These books are available at major books stores or directly from her website. Don’t forget about proper training plans. If you are cross country runners, you are in the offseason and training should be geared to that period until preseason begins. You want to peak at the appropriate time, not before the season ends. Bill Stainbrook physical educator, endurance athlete and coach

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Some places to run in San Diego: San Diego Marathon Clinic:  Sunday morning, De Anza Cove.  Parking lot at 4 way stop at north end of East Mission Bay Drive.  Starts at 8 am. 5,6,8,10, 13 mile runs. Run the bluffs at Torrey Pines.  Start at Torrey Pines Beach and up into the bluffs overlooking the ocean.  Guy Fleming Trail and some of the other trails. Torry Pines north to Del Mar.  In Del Mar at the corner of 15th Street and old 101 there are several places to stop for breakfast or lunch…. Shelter Island in Point Loma. probably about 3 mile loop running along the bay with a view of North Island across the inlet. Mission Beach boardwalk or along the beach. Seaport Village: Run  along the bay front. Coronado:  From the Hotel Del Coronado in either direction.  Going south takes you along Silver Strand for a nice long run…past some of the areas where the Navy SEALS practice. Balboa Park.  Nice run from 6th and Laurel through the park.  Or start at the Zoo parking lot and go south on Park Blvd to Presidents Way and wind through the park across the Laurel Street bridge to 6th Ave.  North on 6th to Upas and east to the little path that goes over the bridge on 163 and up the camel backs, past the back of Bill Walton’s(b-ball star) house and along Upas to Park Blvd.  Then back to the zoo Parking which is about 1/4 to 1/2 mile south…depending on where you’ve parked. Doesn’t look like any races between the 28th and 4th of Aug in SanDiego. Congratulations and have a great honeymoon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My fiance(soon to be wife) and I will be honeymooning in San Diego and San Francisco July 28th – August 4th.  We’re looking for some good places to run and maybe a race.  Also, if anyone has information on running over the Golden Gate Bridge we’d love to know about it.  Please e-mail any advice At this site: http://www.slip.net/~leeway/ggprom.html is detailed information about running over the Golden Gate Bridge and nearby running trails. Very best wishes, Dean Farwood

– In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

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My fiance(soon to be wife) and I will be honeymooning in San Diego and San Francisco July 28th – August 4th.  We’re looking for some good places to run and maybe a race.  Also, if anyone has information on running over the Golden Gate Bridge we’d love to know about it.  Please e-mail any advice

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My fiance(soon to be wife) and I will be honeymooning in San Diego and San Francisco July 28th – August 4th.  We’re looking for some good places to run and maybe a race.  Also, if anyone has information on running over the Golden Gate Bridge we’d love to know about it.  Please e-mail any advice

At this site: http://www.slip.net/~leeway/ggprom.html is detailed information about running over the Golden Gate Bridge and nearby running trails. Very best wishes, Dean Farwood

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Thanks to Dean for recommending my website. I just updated the GG Prom with an option to the Marin Headlands-pictures make it a must do! By Monday, I will also have links for public transit to most of The Run sites. Don’t limit yourself to runs you would like to do, but are out of your hotel area. There is so much our Bay Area has to offer, you can look at the ride there as your mini road tour.  (I have spent lots of $ on cab fares to special places to run while traveling) Hope this helps. There are lots of fun SF links on the bottom of the Links and Clubs page, too. Have a great time in our fair city! Regards, Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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My fiance(soon to be wife) and I will be honeymooning in San Diego and San Francisco July 28th – August 4th.  We’re looking for some good places to run and maybe a race.  Also, if anyone has information on running over the Golden Gate Bridge we’d love to know about it.  Please e-mail any advice

Just happened to be staying on the SF waterfront earlier this week. A nice level route (you want to save your energy right now!) is a run from Fisherman’s Wharf along Marina and the beach trail westward to the Golden Gate. You can reach a point directly under the bridge.   Alan Gore         |  is like giving whiskey and car keys   Software For PC’s |  to teenaged boys" – P. J. O’Rourke http://www.primenet.com/~agore

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You have been referred by others to a web site which lists S.F runs and trails so I am sure there is lots of information there. However, I am from L.A. and there is one run I always make when I am visiting. I regard it as one of my favorite courses. Basically it is a 6 mile round trip run along the bay to the Golden Gate Bridge. Since I usually stay in a downtown hotel and I don’t have a car, I take a cab to the Aquarium (adjacent to Fisherman’s Wharf where Van Ness meets the bay). There are either little roads, sidewalks, foot paths, or trails leading all of the way to the bridge. You can’t get lost. There is one tricky spot by the Yacht Club where you have to find the path but there are lots of runners so ask. The run can end at Fort Point (there are drinking fountains and bathrooms) at the base of the Golden Gate Bridge, or continue across the bridge if you want. I have never crossed the bridge on foot. For your round trip you just go back as far as you want, and then hail a cab to take you back to your hotel. I know someone who took my recommendation and then crossed the bridge instead of doubling back. He took a ferry back across the bay from Saulsalito. (I think I’ll fly up today after this post just to do this run). One more thing – I am a morning runner but I have usually run this in the afternoon and I think that this is the ideal time for this particular course due to the beauty of the bay and usually the sun is out. For San Diego – two completely different suggestions. (1)Go to Coronado Island. Park at or near the Coronado Hotel. Go out to the ocean and run along the beach north as far as you can go. You have to stop eventually because of the Naval property. Just double back. It can be hot so take water. The sand is usually well packed by the water, but if it isn’t you are in for a difficult time.  (2) Go to La Jolla up by the University of California. There is four lane road that leads to Torrey Pines Golf Course. Just north of the golf course – BEFORE you go DOWN towards Del Mar, look for Torrey Pines Nature Preserve. Park as close as you can and then you are in for a treat. The Preserve is a little oasis of natural plants with 3-4 miles of trails, some leading from the bluffs down to the ocean. Just run around, follow the well marked trails and stop often to take in the beauty and the views. It is remarkable. You will probably need to carry water. There is water at the beginning but not on the trails. Let me know afterwards if you enjoy these as much as I do.

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A bunch of messages have been sent on the ITU’s battle over the use of the term World Championships to characterize the Ironman.  My understanding is that the ITU will ban atheletes from competing in ITU races if they compete in the Ironman. The conclusion that seems to be reached is that an athelete who competes in the Ironman will not be able to compete in the Olympics.  I don’t track with this conclusion.  Doesn’t the United States and every other country have the right to select the atheletes they send to the Olympics?   Can anyone shed any light on how the ITU controls the selection of atheletes? Miketri PS.  If any of you cross trainers have not broken down and purchase a mountain bike its not to late for a Holiday plea to the spouse.  Just purchased a Proflex 555 and have become addicted to another sport.  I’ll be looking for the those off-road tri’s.

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No.  ITU has granted itself the authority to name the athletes that will compete for each country, what the qualifying race will be to name that team, and who is eligible to compete in it.  Basically, ITU is a totalitarian dictatorship whose usefulness to the triathlon community is comparable to that of the Third Reich.  And unless USA TRIATHLON stands up to them with an ultimatum for withdrawing from the organization unless they institute true democratic reform, there is nothing that will be done about it.   Tricooter (Paul C. Burton)

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There is a major battle going on over this very issue.  Eight or ten International Federations have decided to take over the selection process from the NGBs Olympic Committees.  In our case the USOC would eventually turn into a travel agency and nothing more.  USAT would have nothing to do with Olympic process. IOC is supporting the idea because it gives them better control over their desire to reduce the number of athletes at the Games. Of course, for us, this movement plays into the hands of itu’s current attitude and desire to control our sport. At least, in this fight, we have a significant number of allies e.g., every NGB in the world will be up against their IFs. Jim Jimison

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No.  ITU has granted itself the authority to name the athletes that will compete for each country, what the qualifying race will be to name that team, and who is eligible to compete in it.  Basically, ITU is a totalitarian dictatorship whose usefulness to the triathlon community is comparable to that of the Third Reich.  And unless USA TRIATHLON stands up to them with an ultimatum for withdrawing from the organization unless they institute true democratic reform, there is nothing that will be done about it.   Tricooter (Paul C. Burton)

I still don’t understand how the ITU can select athletes for the olympics. Surely the IOC runs the olympics and the national bodies select teams. Why don’t we just tell the ITU to piss off? Or better still just ignore them. tim

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I wish it was that simple.  IOC considers governance of individual sports "internal" matters to those sports…they don’t get involved….directly, anyway.  IOC doesn’t know triathlon from horse feathers, and doesn’t care.  What they do care about is that the ITU’s of the world are the governing entity for their sport.  That’s how "the sport" got into the olympics. Unfortunately, Mark Sisson and Les MacHitler now have decided to dictate what the sport is.  Our options are to play their game,  to try to reform their misguided totalitarian dictatorship, or to withdraw.  If we withdraw, we are no longer in the olympics, because we are not part of ITU.  In my opinion, we aren’t in the olympics anyway, some aberration called swim, wheel suck, run got in, so no big loss.  But it takes a majority of the USATri Board to dictate a withdrawl ultimatum to ITU.  I plan to introduce the legislation, and push it.  Those who will lose potential olympic money, or medals, will scream bloody murder, so it won’t be easy.  I am going to ask for a rool call vote on the resolution, and I’ll post the results after the meeting.  As for ITU authority, they give themselves the authority and then use treats and intimidation to bully the worlds small NGB’s into supporting them "or else."  I’m sick of it and so are many others; hopefully we can do something about it! Paul C. Burton Tricooter

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Interesting thoughts.  Although I haven’t decided whether I agree with your approach or not (I’m leaning towards agreement), it is nice to see that pepole are not sitting on their hands afraid to make a move.  If USA Triathlon were to withdraw from  the ITU, what are the chances that other NGB’s would follow suit?  From the non-US posts here on RST it would seem that the consensus in many other countries is similar.  Perhaps a withdraw by USA Triathlon would indeed give other NGB’s the courage to do the same. Marty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I wish it was that simple.  IOC considers governance of individual sports "internal" matters to those sports…they don’t get involved….directly, anyway.  IOC doesn’t know triathlon from horse feathers, and doesn’t care. What they do care about is that the ITU’s of the world are the governing entity for their sport.  That’s how "the sport" got into the olympics. Unfortunately, Mark Sisson and Les MacHitler now have decided to dictate what the sport is.  Our options are to play their game,  to try to reform their misguided totalitarian dictatorship, or to withdraw.  If we withdraw, we are no longer in the olympics, because we are not part of ITU.  In my opinion, we aren’t in the olympics anyway, some aberration called swim, wheel suck, run got in, so no big loss.  But it takes a majority of the USATri Board to dictate a withdrawl ultimatum to ITU.  I plan to introduce the legislation, and push it.  Those who will lose potential olympic money, or medals, will scream bloody murder, so it won’t be easy.  I am going to ask for a rool call vote on the resolution, and I’ll post the results after the meeting.  As for ITU authority, they give themselves the authority and then use treats and intimidation to bully the worlds small NGB’s into supporting them "or else."  I’m sick of it and so are many others; hopefully we can do something about it! Paul C. Burton Tricooter

– Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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Marty: That’s exactly what I’m hoping for….but first the resolutions have to pass.   My feeling is that many will follow if they see that ITU is being successfully challenged.  There will be opposition to these moves…some that don’t have the courage, some that disagree with the tactics, some that have other ideas.  I’m open to listening to anyones thoughts on how to get drafting out of our sport, and democracy without intimidation and manipulation in.  Thanks! Paul C. Burton TriCooter

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: If we withdraw, we are no longer in the olympics, because we are not part of ITU. There is somewhat of a precedent in Canada’s withdrawal from international ice hockey competitions around the late 60’s / early 70’s in order to increase its negotiating power after failing to achieve changes in the rules of the (then) dictatorial International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) that prohibited professionals from competing, but allowed the Soviet Union to use a team of "non-professionals" who just happened to play hockey full-time for 11 months of the year.   The negotiations were at least partly successful in the end, but they did take a number of years and ultimately professionals undoubtedly would have been allowed to compete in any event. Hockey being a team sport, I believe that technically the Canadian withdrawal was achieved by refusing to put a team together rather than an actual withdrawal from IIHF, but the effect is the same. Ralph Lindzon Hong Kong

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March 2, 1995 The 1995 Pan American Team arrived in Mar del Plata today after flying all night from Orlando.  Generally the team is well rested and ready to commence training once again after Argentine team processing takes place. We have not recevied a team roster from the other countries indicating who the competing athletes will  be nor do we know the total number of athletes inthe women’s and men’s races. Several of the team’s parents have come into Argentina to be on hand for the competition.  Kelly Kwiatowski, Gail Laurence, and Andy Carlson’s parents are planning to be spectators at what promises to be one of the largest ever triathlon spectator events. Mar del Plata is normally a quiet resort town of 200,000 which has swollen to nearly 2,000,000 during these Pan Am games.  The price of hotel rooms has also swollen to an average of $500 per night.  Might be better to stay home and watch television coverage of the mega event.  Television coverage will generally be found on PRIME (if not PRIME, a Turner affiliate). Triathlon will be broadcast Sunday, March 26, 9-11 P.M. Tim DeBoom, our lone age group member on the Pan Am team continues to mend from an accident of last Friday.  Last Friday in Tucson, Tim was struck by a car head-on.  He was knocked unconscious, split his helmet in half, and broke his new bike in two.  Dr. Kim Watson, wife of another superb age group athlete Jeff Cuddeback, treated Tim while he was in Orlando.  Kim is predicting that Tim will still be able to compete Sunday even though he is still quite sore and stiff fro Friday’s accident. March 23, 1995 After a full night’s sleep in teh Athlete’s Village, our Pan Am team is generally in good shape.  Karen Smyers has been suffering from significant intestinal problems sinc eTuesday, which seemed to go further South overnight.  United States Olympic team Committee Physicians have been providing care to her and to Tim DeBoom and all should be well by Sunday’s competition. The Athlete’s Village is located southwest of Mar del Plata in an old resort community.  It is approximately a 45 minute trip to our venue in Downtown Mar del Plata.  Teh village, 5 miles long and a mile wide has separated all teams according to Nationality.  We are with the entire USA contingent.  Our building is all self-contained with medical, dining, laundry, and all other needed facilities in it.  As a result, there is very little mixing with other teams.  We have yet to run in to other nation’s triathlon teams. The team spent the morning running.  We will swim in the ocean off the village beach before noon,  bike in the early afternoon, and go downtown to the swimming venue to use that pool for further swim practice.  There will be a "rock and roll"  reception tonight in the Club de Mar in the village for all USA athletes. March 24, 1995 Everyone is training well and all parents have arrived.  We received bad news today concerning Tim DeBoom.  In a new et of Xrays taken in one of Mar del Plata’s hospitals, three cracked vertebrae were discerned.  There had been continuing problems with Tim’s back and because of the lack of progress after rehab the decision was made to have further Xrays taken. Due to his medical condition, Tim will be unable to participate in the Mar del Plata Pan Am Games. Tim’c circumstances cut the men’s USA triathlon contingent to two men. Nate Llerandi and Andy Carlson.  Even though Tim will be missed, the USA may not be adversely affected if Nate and Andy race well.  An interesting rule within the Pan Am games is that no one country is allowed to sweep all three medals.  If our team races well and wins 1,2,3, the third place finisher dooes not receive a medal (fourth place bumps up to third and wins the bronze.) The women are fully prepared and strategy sessions have taken place. Karen Smyer’s intestinal problems seem to have subsided.  Both women’s and men’s teams were n teh course today for final overview.  There will be 33 men and 24 women in the respective triathlon races on Sunday. Steven M. Locke On The Scene Athlete’s Village Pan American Games Mar del Plata, Argentina

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tim will not obtain his pro license until he recovers from his injury and competes in his first pro race (probably around June).

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: I live in Palo Alto and want to see the Escape from Alcatraz : Triathlon.  I hear it’s on television locally this weekend. : Does anyone know when and on what channel?  Thanks very much. 10 am, channel 5 (KPIX), either Saturday or Sunday Look for me, I’m the one not smiling tim

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I live in Palo Alto and want to see the Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon.  I hear it’s on television locally this weekend. Does anyone know when and on what channel?  Thanks very much. Sean — Sean Lev-Tov                            ,_o

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Lev-Tov) writes: I live in Palo Alto and want to see the Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon.  I hear it’s on television locally this weekend. Does anyone know when and on what channel?  Thanks very much.

 I just saw the advertisement for it last night, it’s being aired on   Saturday, 10:00 a.m., on channel 5 (wow!). Marilyn

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 Does anyone know when the triathlon will take place at the Goodwill  Games?  If it has aleady taken place, was it televised?  If not is  it scheduled to be on TV?  When?  Thanks.

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