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Francis, What is ur training goal?  If it is to do a triathlon, ur priorities should be swimming, running and biking.  Weight training is a nice cross-training activity, but definitely not part of ur core skills. In terms of ur fatigue — how are you running?  Have you established a solid base before doing your current 2 + long run regimen?  What rate is your heart working at? For best results, you should est. a base to your training before building volume.  I am taking all of this from a book called "the triathlete’s handbook" by joel friel. good luck, darren   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m not a triathlete…yet , but I figure a triathlete can give me the best answer for my question/concern. I started weight training on December of last year with very little cardio. Then, I discovered running and I’ve been regularly running since March. I weight train 3 days a week and run 3 days a week (2 regular runs + Long Run). My concern is, lately I’ve noticed I’m more and more tired during my workouts. Yesterday I did my long run and even though my legs and lungs felt great, I was very tired. I had to drag myself to the end. Now the question, do you know what might be happening? Any ideas? I would appreciate any feedback. Best Regards, Francis Portland, OR

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Hi all, I’m not a triathlete…yet , but I figure a triathlete can give me the best answer for my question/concern. I started weight training on December of last year with very little cardio. Then, I discovered running and I’ve been regularly running since March. I weight train 3 days a week and run 3 days a week (2 regular runs + Long Run). My concern is, lately I’ve noticed I’m more and more tired during my workouts. Yesterday I did my long run and even though my legs and lungs felt great, I was very tired. I had to drag myself to the end. Now the question, do you know what might be happening? Any ideas? I would appreciate any feedback. Best Regards, Francis Portland, OR

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If someone attacks WW, I’ll be the first to stand to defend it.  Not that I think it’s perfect, but it’s sure the best thing going.  It makes sense, is sustainable and works! Unfortunately, I often find myself going on and on about the program when no one else really cares.  I’m not trying to imply that was what was going on with you, but just that it’s a challenge I face. Someone will say, "Do you want some fries?"  And I’ll say, "No, thanks, I have my lunch in the microwave."  And the reply will be, "Oh, sorry" – as if they shouldn’t have tempted me. Then, I pull out my soapbox and start lecturing them on how I *could* eat fries, it’s just that I prefer not to.  I don’t care for them that much, that’s all.   I try to keep this stuff to a minimum, but I want to make sure they understand this is simply how I’m choosing to implement the program. Best, Diane asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Diane, I felt at a time during that conversation that I was getting on the soap-box, as you so well put it. It came to the point where I had to tell her, and people listening (’cause there were many): "Look, I might sound like I’m in a cult, but believe me, I didn’t enter religion and I’m not trying to recruit anybody!" Did Joanne or anyone else believe me? I don’t know. I became quite vehement about it at one point, I believe. But that’s it, isnt’ it? I believe… Because it works, damn it! — Isabelle Montr

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I was speaking to a pro who is considering racing IMUSA in 2000. This pro was very concerned about the past year’s purse issue (none after the fact) at Fraser’s IMF, and had indicated that he/she was going to talk to the other pros about insisting that Fraser put in writing that there was a pro purse before they agreed to race. Guess that won’t be necessary now. Still sounds like a good idea no matter who’s the RD. Schwing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it says a LOT about Graham Fraser. Just look at how he handled the pro purse incident in Florida. pr I got an e-mail from someone who lives in upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach FWIW, Ironman Florida is also advertising for a race director.  Does this  say anything about the management of these races or is this routine? Marty "another inquiring mind" Carson

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In article <6he34.6164 I was speaking to a pro who is considering

racing IMUSA in 2000. This pro was very concerned about the past year’s purse

issue (none after the fact) at Fraser’s IMF, and had indicated that he/she

was going to talk to the other pros about insisting that Fraser put in

writing that there was a pro purse before they agreed to race. Guess that

won’t be necessary now. Still sounds like a good idea no matter who’s the RD. Schwing

.. I think it says a LOT about Graham Fraser.

Just look at how he handled the pro purse incident in Florida. pr I got an e-mail from someone who lives in

upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach FWIW, Ironman Florida is also advertising

for a race director.  Does this  say anything about the management of these

races or is this routine? Marty "another inquiring mind" Carson

Now for the truth, anyone ready??  Ironman USA Lake Placid ran an ad looking for a receptionist not a RD and we found one.  We are pleased to welcome Shelia Miller to the Ironman North America team.  In Florida, the Gulf Coast Triathlon ran an ad looking for a RD. It’s scary how rumours get started. Lyle Harris Race Director Ironman USA Lake Placid Before you buy.

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In article I got an e-mail from someone who lives in

upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach FWIW, Ironman Florida is also advertising for a

race director.  Does this  say anything about the management of these races or is this routine? Marty "another inquiring mind" Carson

Wendy and Marty, Your posts were just brought to my attention.  I am the race director from Lake Placid and judging by the fact that I am at my desk I assume I still have my job.  We did advertise in the paper for a receptionist last month and just hired one. Shelia Miller is the new addition to the Ironman North America team and we are glad to welcome her aboard.  As for Florida, the Gulf Coast Triathlon is advertising for a race director.  I hope this clears thing up.  Thats how rumours get started. You scared me there for a minute. Lyle Harris Race Director Ironman USA Lake Placid Before you buy.

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Wow – when I heard that Lake Placid was looking for a race director – I thought maybe Mike Gilmore would get your job Lyle.  Since Mike left ITU, I though Graham might have lured him away from the dark side.  I know how close Mike and Graham have been since the world’s in 92.  My second thought was that maybe Graham replaced you with Jerry, but again I was wrong.  Good luck with your new receptionist.   Tom Ziebart – Orlando Regional Sports & Health

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I got an e-mail from someone who lives in upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach

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I got an e-mail from someone who lives in upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach

FWIW, Ironman Florida is also advertising for a race director.  Does this  say anything about the management of these races or is this routine? Marty "another inquiring mind" Carson

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I think it says a LOT about Graham Fraser. Just look at how he handled the pro purse incident in Florida. pr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got an e-mail from someone who lives in upstate NY. He said IM Lake Placid was advertising in the paper for a RD. What happened to the current one? Wendy "inquiring minds want to know" in St. Pete Beach FWIW, Ironman Florida is also advertising for a race director.  Does this  say anything about the management of these races or is this routine? Marty "another inquiring mind" Carson

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My goal was to do a race and I did my first race this morning.  It was different then just going out and training.  Now I’m ready to do more… Jan 2000 – Disney 1/2 Marathon:  I would love to finish in 2 hours.  Not too unrealistic. Oct 2000 – Marine Corps Marathon:  That I simply want to finish. Long term goal:  I want to be running 10 mile races when I am in my 70’s. Nothing is more motivating than watching some 70 yr old man/woman cross the finish line ahead of most of the youngins.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uroman!!! Good luck on achieving your goals!!!!  :-))) ~Kanga — I am not afraid of tomorrow for I have seen yesterday and I              love today

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that’s coming up soon.  Best of luck!  Let us know how it goes! Next Sunday, Corning N.Y. marathon: under 3:30 End of November, Jingle Bell Run: 5k under 20:00 (looking for #2) —

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Next Sunday, Corning N.Y. marathon: under 3:30 End of November, Jingle Bell Run: 5k under 20:00 (looking for #2) — Life is the great experiment. Each of us is an experiment of one-observer and subject-making choices, living with them, recording the effects.  - Dr. George Sheehan

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Go for it Dirk!  Running a sub 21.00 time for 5k would be truely amazing.  Sub 20.. well… that’s for next year  You can do it! – Carra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, great. So we commit them for everyone to see. All right, you big pain in the ass. Here’s mine: Next 5K, late October–sub 21.00 time. I started the year hoping for a sub 20 5K, but I realize that was unrealistic. I just want to finish the damn year with a sub 21. And by the end of the year, even though this isn’t a running goal, I’ll go ahead and post it–I want to be able to bench my damn weight. Just one rep, with good form. –Dirk

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My main goal is to finish  my first marathon, Disney Jan. 2000 in under 6 hours .

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Uroman!!! Good luck on achieving your goals!!!!  :-))) ~Kanga — I am not afraid of tomorrow for I have seen yesterday and I              love today

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My Goals: Upper body exercies (Monday, Thursday) all 10 reps, 5 sets ~Inclined Chest Press ~Bar Bell Bench Press ~Shoulder Press ~Laterals ~Triceps ~Pushups – till failure ~Dips    - till failure Lower body and back exercises (Tuesday, Friday) all 12 reps, 5 sets ~Leg Curls ~Leg Press ~Standing Calfs ~Seated Rows ~Arm D.B Rows ~Pullovers ~Barbell Curls ~Machine Curls Jogging (Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday) To follow my daily meal plan on the days that I workout. My the time it’s track season, I’ll be ready for State!! My dream is to win the 100m and 200m at State. Before you buy.

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I believe it was George Carlin who said: "My goal is to live for ever. So far so good." I can’t say that I have many more goals left to achieve (I haven’t achieved all of them but I’m past being able to). Oddly one of the things on my list of things to do is finish a race without concern for time or position. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now)

Oh, great. So we commit them for everyone to see. All right, you big pain in the ass. Here’s mine: Next 5K, late October–sub 21.00 time. I started the year hoping for a sub 20 5K, but I realize that was unrealistic. I just want to finish the damn year with a sub 21. And by the end of the year, even though this isn’t a running goal, I’ll go ahead and post it–I want to be able to bench my damn weight. Just one rep, with good form. –Dirk

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1/2 marathon on Nov. 6 — to finish under 2 hours. RunninRich

I will be running my first 5K since April 19 of this year. The date of my Brain Event!! I would like to do 8 minute pace, my wife will kill me, or is it I will kill myself, if I attempt anything faster. The race is the Elliot Festival 5K in Elliot, Maine. I can get lost in the crowd of over 1000 runners there May my head stay intact.

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Roy, I turn Master January 2nd 2000.    David "IndyRunr"

My Goal for next October 2000 Stay injury free, Sub 35 min 10k  just after my 50th birthday What is the Equivalent Master Category, Here we are just Vets !! Steve — http://www.wolds-veteran-rc.freeserve.co.uk Club based in Grimsby, N.E.Lincs, England.

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Holy Toledo!  Those are impressive numbers.  In less than 5 months you did all of that?  I’m impressed!  O.k., now I’m even more motivated to hop back on the 10% increase per week plan.  I started at roughly 197 lbs. about 1 and a half years ago, and I’m at 179.  I’m running between 15-20 miles week now.  Looks like longer distance was the key to your rapid improvement.  I’d like to get up to 7-8 mile runs, and let the rest take care of itself (healthwise). Mark     June 1, 1999     Weight 195 (5′ 8")     Cholesterol-325     Tryglycerides-278     BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90     Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing     Sept 23, 1999     Weight 155     Cholesterol-150     Tryglycerides-125     B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57     Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.)     Goals:     To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999     Anyone want to bet against me?     P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles

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1/2 marathon on Nov. 6 — to finish under 2 hours. RunninRich

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I have been "running"  for 2 weeks, I hope to finish a 5k in december!

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Goals for the next year: Memphis Marathon  (#6) Mardi Gras Marathon (#7) Gulf Coast Triathlon (#2) Ironman Panama City (My first full Iron) The first three are part of the build for the Ironman – Wish me luck (I’ll need it!) Bil Lindstrom

Ah, another IronVirgin. <g My immediate goal is in my sig – GFT in 15 something. Long term I want to do an IM every year from my 50th to my 60th birthday.  I’ll do either Panama City next year or GFT again. Then back to Canada in 2001 to join a friend doing his first. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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Your goals and accomplishments are incredible.  I started one month before you did and I didn’t get THAT far. I’ve lost no weight (didn’t have much to begin with though) My resting heart rate I think went down about 4 beats Couldn’t run 3 minutes on the treadmill when I started and now can run for about an hour on it. My goal for the year 2000 is to run a marathon under 4 hours. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June 1, 1999 Weight 195 (5′ 8") Cholesterol-325 Tryglycerides-278 BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90 Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing Sept 23, 1999 Weight 155 Cholesterol-150 Tryglycerides-125 B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57 Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.) Goals: To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999 Anyone want to bet against me? P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Goals for 2000: Dust the shoes off and run like the wind. The Flash

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     Just got seriously back into running again about 3 months ago, I’ve had this crazy goal of finishing a marathon for a few years (I’m 29 now). After 3 months I’ve come from barely being able to run 3 miles in 45 minutes (including hacking up lung parts I don’t know how to spell) to running 10 miles fairly comfortably in around 1:45.  I registered for the San Diego marathon on January 16th; I’m gonna finish it even if it takes me 12 hours…but I’m hoping for around 4:30 or so.

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: 400 goal = 59.9 : 800 goal = 2:29 (after 400) : 1/2 marathon goal = be standing at the finish. Hopefully under 2 hours If you will crack 400 under a minute, you can probably raise the bar in 800m to 2:20, probably even 2:15 or 2:10. How soon is 800 following 400m? —  Oleg

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Master Runner beginning Jan 1,2000

Roy, I turn Master January 2nd 2000.    David "IndyRunr"

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June 1, 1999 Weight 195 (5′ 8") Cholesterol-325 Tryglycerides-278 BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90 Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing Sept 23, 1999 Weight 155 Cholesterol-150 Tryglycerides-125 B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57 Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.) Goals: To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999 Anyone want to bet against me? P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles

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One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Last of 1999 goals 5mile = 45 min. Y2K goals  Master Runner beginning Jan 1,2000 400 goal = 59.9 800 goal = 2:29 (after 400) 1/2 marathon goal = be standing at the finish. Hopefully under 2 hours

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dances with dirt 50 miler. just to finish at age 60. you built your tower strong and tall cant you see its got to fall someday? townes van zandt

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Goals for the next year: Memphis Marathon  (#6) Mardi Gras Marathon (#7) Gulf Coast Triathlon (#2) Ironman Panama City (My first full Iron) The first three are part of the build for the Ironman – Wish me luck (I’ll need it!) Bil Lindstrom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Has anyone done this triathlon in previous years.  I am considering signing up for the Olympic distance event but dont want to go to the expense if it is a poorly run event.  

It is fairly well run, but not the best.  The course is good; it’s the support services where they fall short of excellence, like the fact that they provide 12 porta-johns for roughly 1000 people.   Also my girlfriend is considering the shorter sprint distance race as her first triathlon and I am not sure how tough the course is or how many people they let register.  

The course is not bad.  The swim start is in deep water.  The Navy Reserve backs two landing craft up against the pier, and lowers the front ramps.  Each wave gets on a landing craft and jumps off the ramp into the water, swims about 30 ft. to the start, then treads water for about a minute before the start.  The bike course for the sprint is on the Shorway, out to the far side of Edgewater Park and back twice.  Note the twice part since every year a large number of first timers get course violations for only going once around.  It’s all up and down because of the Main Avenue Bridge and all the overpasses, but they’re long, not steep, slopes.  The Olympic distance has a spur out Chester to E.55th St. then back on the Shoreway, then it joins the sprint course for (again note) two times around.  The run starts and finishes with a short but steep hill climb.  The first up W. 3rd from the stadium to Lakeside, and the last one up Lakeside out of the Flats, followed by about 300m of level ground to the finish infront of the Convention Center on Lakeside.  Both run courses wind around downown, with the Olympic adding a spur out to E. 30th St. A lot of sprint participants are runners who are curious to try triathlon.  They have never closed registration – if there’s a limit they haven’t seen it yet.  You can register the day before at the Renaissance hotel at Tower City.

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Well, there ya go…  you say tomato, I say tom

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That’s what they said, alright.   He was the key figure in making triathlon what it is today so it appears to many that it all began with him. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did I hear right in the opening,  John Collins was the founder of the sport of triathlon?  I could of swore that is what they said.  I’ll have to watch it on tape.  I’m sure the folks in San Diego would not appreciate that.

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I liked the way she stated "It’s not about weight loss, It’s about healthy living". That is truly what it’s all about, Isn’t it. Yeh, and five minutes later Jurgen Zack is throwing up blood.

Not that it may make a difference, but I think he was caughing up blood.  Does anyone know how dangerous this is?  It seems as though caughing up blood could be due to using your lungs like crazy over an extended period of time and doesn’t necessarily mean something dangerous.  Vomiting blood, however, seems like it might indicate a more serious condition.  anyone?…anyone? Thanks, Doug

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I believe it is more common to cough up blood. I did it in 97, I believe from vomiting fluids I had irritated my esophagus enough to cause some minor bleeding. I did have some blood in the vomit, but very little. I was fine the next day. The loss of fluid was the big deal. andy

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That’s what they said, alright.   He was the key figure in making triathlon what it is today so it appears to many that it all began with him.

Considering that he has no financial interest in the event, you really have to question how involved he has been in making the Ironman the event that it is. Sure he came up with the idea, but the real work was done by others. Either that or he’s a very bad businessman.

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You seem to be basing your comments on what it’s like today rather than rewinding back to what it was like at the onset.  In 1978 there was no triathlon except for  some small, local events.   The Ironman was conceived to test man’s abilities beyond how they were being tested at the time.  It was insanity to think that people were capable of such a feat.  Yet he and some friends tried it anyway. John Collins was a Naval Commander and the Navy was his life – the Ironman was a passion.  When the Navy transferred him from Hawaii he sold the event.  I don’t think he ever intended to make a living off from it. So he still gets praise for having the guts to propose and follow through with an incredible, impossible, crazy idea that has become a world wide sport that is now an Olympic event.  His short involvement made it all happen and he deserves credit for that. If you want to pick on someone who became a celebrity for doing nothing, flame Joey Buttafucco.

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Not that it may make a difference, but I think he was caughing up blood.  Does anyone know how dangerous this is?  

Well, if you’re coughing up blood than it’s in your lungs – which is a Really Bad Thing(tm)  It’s possible for one to drown that way.  Of course, this is all just IMHO, as I’m not a doctor and know little of anatomy.  At least with vomiting blood, it’s unlikely you’ll drown. TTYL!

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Travis thought a bit as he watched the Ct. Collins "finish" footage, he turned to me, his young voice swelled with acusation:                    "It’s all his fault isn’t it, Dad!"

Sort of like the lady standing on the rim of the Grand Canyon who commented to a Ranger, "Do you mean that one little river caused all this destruction?" Mike "It’s all in your perspective." Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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I liked the way she stated "It’s not about weight loss, It’s about healthy living". That is truly what it’s all about, Isn’t it. Randy IMC 96-13:10, 97-12:02, & 99. ??:?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow what a great story.  I really hope we see a lot of men and women who are working on their health doing triathlons next year.  I would love to see a lot of 300+ pound people becoming healthy 200 +/- pound people as they pass me by on the run (since I am one of the slowest runners on earth).We should definatly be a sport that welcomes all shapes and sizes.  A lot of us seek that perfect body and in our desire to get that we might shut out a person like Judy.  By the way I’m not writing this because triathletes as a group are not accepting of others.  Actually, I have never met a beter group of people who are both caring and encouraging.  Its just that the mesages of our society can seap into our lives so easily.  I also think our sport is the best endurance sport for people in this position. Now time to get off my soap box Mike

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I’m new to triathlon and old (42–no email please on that not being old!). Triathlon is by far an "everyman’s" sport.  The best stories aren’t about  the pros, the best stories are about the regular person who does this for personal reasons.  The pros help us learn, but the fun is in the rest of the group.

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Wow what a great story.  I really hope we see a lot of men and women who are working on their health doing triathlons next year.  I would love to see a lot of 300+ pound people becoming healthy 200 +/- pound people as they pass me by on the run (since I am one of the slowest runners on earth).We should definatly be a sport that welcomes all shapes and sizes.  A lot of us seek that perfect body and in our desire to get that we might shut out a person like Judy.  By the way I’m not writing this because triathletes as a group are not accepting of others.  Actually, I have never met a beter group of people who are both caring and encouraging.  Its just that the mesages of our society can seap into our lives so easily.  I also think our sport is the best endurance sport for people in this position. Now time to get off my soap box Mike

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Quite the awesome presentation of the race, I loved it for all the angles shown, but I must say that the pro’s took a back seat emotionally to the rest of the athletes.. Watching the struggles of all the "regular" people during the race and at the finish made my heart swell to the point of pushing tears from my eyes..                                        Buck

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Did I hear right in the opening,  John Collins was the founder of the sport of triathlon?  I could of swore that is what they said.  I’ll have to watch it on tape.  I’m sure the folks in San Diego would not appreciate that. Ken Strayer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At the begining of the IMH telecast, during the interview with Ct. John Collins, I explained to, Travis, my 9 year-old that Ct. Collins was the inventor of the "Ironman." Predictable questions followed . . . did he win . . . was he the best . . . how long did it take him . . . ? Towards the end of the coverage Travis asked who the winner was – I provided him my usual "Dad" reply: "Everyone who finished." Both of my children are used to this answer, so he narrowed the choice to "first," I answered. Then I was asked how I did, I gave him my position. Travis then wanted to know if anyone went to the hospital? I relpied: "Yes, Travis, *many* people went to the hospital" Travis thought a bit as he watched the Ct. Collins "finish" footage, he turned to me, his young voice swelled with acusation: "It’s all his fault isn’t it, Dad!" "<G Yes, it is Travis, Yes, it is <G" From the mouths of babes . . . Good Training, Good Racing, Good Qualifying, Joe Joseph C. Foster "It’s all his fault isn’t it!" –  Travis Foster

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At the begining of the IMH telecast, during the interview with Ct. John Collins, I explained to, Travis, my 9 year-old that Ct. Collins was the inventor of the "Ironman." Predictable questions followed . . . did he win . . . was he the best . . . how long did it take him . . . ? Towards the end of the coverage Travis asked who the winner was – I provided him my usual "Dad" reply: "Everyone who finished." Both of my children are used to this answer, so he narrowed the choice to "first," I answered. Then I was asked how I did, I gave him my position. Travis then wanted to know if anyone went to the hospital? I relpied: "Yes, Travis, *many* people went to the hospital" Travis thought a bit as he watched the Ct. Collins "finish" footage, he turned to me, his young voice swelled with acusation:                         "It’s all his fault isn’t it, Dad!" "<G Yes, it is Travis, Yes, it is <G" From the mouths of babes . . . Good Training, Good Racing, Good Qualifying, Joe Joseph C. Foster "It’s all his fault isn’t it!" –  Travis Foster

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I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance?

I did a USCF 40K ITT the day before a 1000m/18mi/5mi triathlon a few years ago.  It effected me much less than I imagined.  I only noticed a bit more leg fatigue on the run.  Interestingly enough I averaged only .5 mph slower in the tri for 18mi than I did in the ITT for 40K. —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (970) 898-3117

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I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance? Might be interesting to try. A few years ago it was theorized that a short intense bout 24 hours before a race might even improve performance. Don’t know if a study was ever done, but I know of several positive anecdotal

reports. Studies have been done on this. See the following report that concludes that "highly trained triathletes can improve their performance from a high intensity low volume taper lasting between 9 – 15 days"   :   http://www.triathlon.org/coaching/jaime/taper.html Diane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance? Yes, but the extent depends on your background. If you’ve done alot of base you’ll get away with it. It might take the shine off your performance slightly (maybe a few seconds) but that might not be significant unless you’re out to win. If you’ve got less of a base it will affect you more.

Might be interesting to try. A few years ago it was theorized that a short intense bout 24 hours before a race might even improve performance. Don’t know if a study was ever done, but I know of several positive anecdotal  reports. The thinking  was that, if you did indeed have a good base, the intense effort would not take anything out of you AND that your body would respond overnight by increasing the number of red blood cells (as an adaptation to the hard effort). Those RBCs would help deliver more oxygen to the muscles the next day.  I have had several personal experiences with this in running back to back short races (5k one day, 10 miler the next) – all positive. Because cycling involves even less recovery time (no pounding), IMHO you have nothing to lose by trying it. Just be certain to carbo load about 100 grams  within 45 minutes of finishing the TT and then replenish again throughout the day.  Good luck. Mark Sisson

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I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance?

Yes, but the extent depends on your background. If you’ve done alot of base you’ll get away with it. It might take the shine off your performance slightly (maybe a few seconds) but that might not be significant unless you’re out to win. If you’ve got less of a base it will affect you more. You’ve really got to decide why you’re doing the sprint tri – is it training or racing? If it’s racing you need to taper and carb load, but you can’t do that too often in a year. If it’s for the training effect or for the fun, do both and have twice the fun. All my opinions of course. adrian

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I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance?

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I am considering participating in a short (12k) time trial the day before a sprint triathlon.  Anyone know how adversely this will affect my triathlon performance?

Your guess is as good as mine. If you intend to go out hard in both races, you’ll probably find it quite hard to keep the intensity up for the sprint triathlon. Muscles tire more easily at the anaerobic level than at the aerobic level. Then again, considering the short distances, you might do quite well in both races. I never know what my body will do on any given day. I did a heck of a sprint triathlon last week with no taper whatsoever. You might experience the same effect. Whatever happens, good luck in both races.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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well, if the bike was last, i would hate to be responsible for assigning finishing places, because everyone would finish the bike at the same time, just like they do now. totally pointless. here’s an idea: why doesn’t each ITU racer just ride a stationary bike in the transition area for 50 minutes? it would achieve the same result, and it would cut down on injuries! scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Emma caught them and immediately shot past a labouring Linquist at the start of the run leg. A kilometer out she found the perrenial Jackie Gallagher at her shoulder. What followed was what triathlon is all about and what the spectators came to see – a knock-down, drag-out battle between the two (supposedly) arch enemies. yes, indeed.  that is what the ITU race comes down to: a 10k run.  All else (ie swim, bike) is meaningless. David, Guess what? If the bike was last, it would come down to the bike and if the swim was last it would come down to the swim. Steve Fleck

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Emma caught them and immediately shot past a labouring Linquist at the start of the run leg. A kilometer out she found the perrenial Jackie Gallagher at her shoulder. What followed was what triathlon is all about and what the spectators came to see – a knock-down, drag-out battle between the two (supposedly) arch enemies.

Sorry but IMHO, Emma Carney isn’t even in the same league as Michelle Jones. Any fast runner could do what the ITU drafters do.  Sit in, spin, keep the HR down to about 110, and wait for the annoying bike portion to end.  I’m not impressed.  Carney and Jones go head to head in a real triathlon and Carney gots her bacon smoked. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Emma caught them and immediately shot past a labouring Linquist at the start of the run leg. A kilometer out she found the perrenial Jackie Gallagher at her shoulder. What followed was what triathlon is all about and what the spectators came to see – a knock-down, drag-out battle between the two (supposedly) arch enemies. Sorry but IMHO, Emma Carney isn’t even in the same league as Michelle Jones. Any fast runner could do what the ITU drafters do.  Sit in, spin, keep the HR down to about 110, and wait for the annoying bike portion to end.  I’m not impressed.  Carney and Jones go head to head in a real triathlon and Carney gots her bacon smoked. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

I don’t recall seeing Jones do any of the pulling on the bike, Carney was the one pulling most of the time. If Jones was all that good, she could of done her share of the pull. Carney is capable of beating Jones in both drafting and non-drafting races.

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<big snip  Now to run shorter things, 600 is next up.  In the mean time, with the heat, I’ll be doing some days in the pool or on bikes.  Any suggestions from triathletes regarding how best to mix the three types of training? —

The heat got you, but don’t feel bad, it’s an occupational hazzard here in the south. Happens all the time. If your effort felt right, you did the best you could. Now, how to mix training. Stick to doing one discipline a day, or at worst, one in the morning, another in the afternoon.. One pattern is to swim one day, run the next, then bike the third. The swim works the upper body, so you should be OK for the run. Then the bike is a good way to recover from the run. Throw in a rest day and repeat. Unless you’re going to train for a triathlon, I wouldn’t worry about doing multiple daily workouts, or a traditional "brick", which is a hard bike followed by a run. A brick trains you to do the bike/run transistion – which is god-awful each and every time, but they really are tough on the bod. Mike "TriBop" Tennent Remove "nospam" for email reply WebRunner Running Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html My Model Railroad Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/srr/

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  Saturday, I finally ran the 5k I’d mentioned.  The good news was that it was 40 seconds faster than the previous best.  The bad news is that I was looking for 2:40 faster.  That wasn’t unreasonable because the previous best was a jog rather than a run.   Then reality, in the form of heat and high humidity (90%), interfered. I only stayed near the goal pace for the first two laps.  The last half of the 5k, I finished at my usual jogging pace (feeling as if I were working as hard as a much faster run, just not covering ground).   If I took my usual heat adjustment (40 seconds/mile), then I suppose I could sort of figure that I would have been near the pace I wanted to be at.  Still, very unsatisfying day.  Unlike on the 3200 I mentioned earlier, where not too long after I finished I was thinking about how I should have run this or that part faster and was feeling fairly good, this time, it was a matter of ‘well, at least that’s out of the way’.   Definitely a good idea (for me) to put off the 5k for time until the dew point is below 78 and the week before the timing isn’t ca. 100 with ozone red alerts.  But I nevertheless did figure how to run a 5k — a 2400, two 800’s, and a 1000.   Now to run shorter things, 600 is next up.  In the mean time, with the heat, I’ll be doing some days in the pool or on bikes.  Any suggestions from triathletes regarding how best to mix the three types of training? — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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I think there’s some new organization in Santa Monica called Triathlete Zombies.  I understand they even have a retail store in Santa Monica. Sorry, that’s all I know. Peter

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I think there’s some new organization in Santa Monica called Triathlete Zombies.  I understand they even have a retail store in Santa Monica. Sorry, that’s all I know.

I didn’t see the original post but, yes, there is a Triathlete Zombies outfit in Santa Monica, that is both a retail store and a mail order service.  It’s run by two brothers, Robert & Patrick Gan, who are terrific guys and very dedicated to the sport.  They have an e-mail address, too:   If you get in touch, mention that Cherie Gruenfeld recommended them.   You’ll enjoy dealing with them.

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Does anyone know of any associations of triathletes in the So Cal area for joint training or club activities??? Particularly in the Malibu, Studio City and Santa Monica areas??? Signed, Desperately in need of Training Partners

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