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Correction… I am buying FROM Lloyd.  I’m sure Lloyd doesn’t need me to buy a bike for him Mike

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… He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will. Please do not feed the troll. Tom

Really, the worse part of this ugly business is the association with gays.  It provides people so inclined with fuel for their prejudices, not realizing this filth is no more a part of gay life than the disgusting hetero porn websites are natural to straights.   Ruth Kazez

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How about looking at the list instead of accusing people of being prejudice towards gays, it’s not "gay" postings at all its the references to "children"  and ‘Wanting to trade pics of pre-teen boys having "fun"’ pre-teen would be childen under 14 or so I would presume. If you consider this to be the same as "straight" adult porn sites then I feel sorry for you. LW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will. Please do not feed the troll. Tom Really, the worse part of this ugly business is the association with gays.  It provides people so inclined with fuel for their prejudices, not realizing this filth is no more a part of gay life than the disgusting hetero porn websites are natural to straights. Ruth Kazez

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I am currently buying a bike for Lloyd, and he has been nothing but helpful with me concerning every single aspect of the transaction.  From what I have seen here on the NG, Lloyd never posts messages that have any type of "Lloyd is all powerful" under or overtones.  I haven’t received the bike as of yet, but I am positive when I get it, I will be exceptionally happy with it.  I personally am offended that anyone here would openly slanderize another poster, especially someone of Lloyd’s caliber. Mike

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Hehehehehehe…. I could not stop laughing on this one….nice to see a less serious note placed onto a most serious issue…but i’m sure you know what it refers too!!! cheers… (:-roBBie:-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems the writer of this message "safetyboy" and many others do not understand what SPAM is…..USENET has a code of ethics which the majority abide by….your are a fool to think this message constitutes ‘abuse’ …. From Dictionary.com SPAM A trademark used for a canned meat product consisting primarily of chopped pork pressed into a loaf. And you say that I don’t know what spam is!!!! This n/g has a lot of readers and it is their choice, providing the message is not off topic to either read it….act upon it…of simply block it! Lloyd of Curloo has now gone beyond was is acceptable reading….I suggest "safetyboy" and many others read his messages very carefully….he certainly uses this site to pawn his wares….when my good Company name becomes involved i will do whaterver is in my powers to stop the ‘rorting’!!! I have nothing to do with this site….but when I have members complain to me I need to effectively act!!! I have lodged a complaint and attached copies of his threats and slanderous statements to his ISP provider….I have personally spoken to iprimus which my company is a long term account customer…they were astounded with the information made available to them… Lloyd your days are numbered…. Those of you with comments, remarks, are welcome to email me… (:-roBBie:-) roBBieNetWork

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But seriously. At the other end of this converstation, I am sure there sits a normal person, trying to make some money. I would like to try to sensibly address this matter, I am curious to see if I get a sensible reply. I will do my best to be civil and straightforward in how I see this matter. Firstly thanx to the 17 email messages received about their comments and ‘riot’ on this newsgroup…..Lloyd does not OWN this newsgroup…nor has he the right without prove to go SLANDERING someone who has placed a message onto the site…. It seems the writer of this message "safetyboy" and many others do not understand what SPAM is…..USENET has a code of ethics which the majority abide by….your are a fool to think this message constitutes ‘abuse’ ….

From Dictionary.com SPAM Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail. Lets check out the points 1.Unsolicited Yep – I don’t think anyone asked for information on the Dreammates site. 2.Commercial Yep – A quick scan of the Dreammates site shows that they have an affiliate program. If you refer a hit to their website, and that person signs up, the referrer gets $1.00. Refer someone to the prgram, and you get $0.25 for each of their referals. Pyramid selling at its best. 3.Sent indisciminately …… Yep – A quick search of Deja shows that the same messages have been posted to rec.sport.triathlon rec.scuba.equipment rec.windsurfing alt.sex.gaymen.porn alt.personals.bondage.gay alt.teens.gay aus.sport.scuba triangle.personals.bi alt.personals.ads The list goes on ad nauseum If anyone can see a common thread through these groups that makes the posting discriminate, please point it out to me, I can’t see it. 4.Junk Email Yep – Sure looks like it to me, that is my personal opinion of course. This n/g has a lot of readers and it is their choice, providing the message is not off topic to either read it….act upon it…of simply block it!

Providing the message is not off topic. The topic of this newgroup is Triathlon, I cannot see the relation of a web site that has personal adds to Triathlon. Lloyd of Curloo has now gone beyond was is acceptable reading….I suggest "safetyboy" and many others read his messages very carefully….he certainly uses this site to pawn his wares….when my good Company name becomes involved i will do whaterver is in my powers to stop the ‘rorting’!!!

In the fairly short time I have been in this NG, I have not seen Curloo once push himself or his business. He does not even put a footer with his URL on his posts. I have nothing to do with this site….but when I have members complain to me I need to effectively act!!! I have lodged a complaint and attached copies of his threats and slanderous statements to his ISP provider….I have personally spoken to iprimus which my company is a long term account customer…they were astounded with the information made available to them…

I have not seen any threats or slander. He alleges that you Spam, and is going to bring the attention to your ISP. He has searched Deja, found where you have posted, and brought it to our attention. Lloyd your days are numbered…. Those of you with comments, remarks, are welcome to email me…

Done and done. I would love to have a measured, thought out response to this. SB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(:-roBBie:-) roBBieNetWork

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It seems the writer of this message "safetyboy" and many others do not understand what SPAM is…..USENET has a code of ethics which the majority abide by….your are a fool to think this message constitutes ‘abuse’ ….

From Dictionary.com SPAM A trademark used for a canned meat product consisting primarily of chopped pork pressed into a loaf. And you say that I don’t know what spam is!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This n/g has a lot of readers and it is their choice, providing the message is not off topic to either read it….act upon it…of simply block it! Lloyd of Curloo has now gone beyond was is acceptable reading….I suggest "safetyboy" and many others read his messages very carefully….he certainly uses this site to pawn his wares….when my good Company name becomes involved i will do whaterver is in my powers to stop the ‘rorting’!!! I have nothing to do with this site….but when I have members complain to me I need to effectively act!!! I have lodged a complaint and attached copies of his threats and slanderous statements to his ISP provider….I have personally spoken to iprimus which my company is a long term account customer…they were astounded with the information made available to them… Lloyd your days are numbered…. Those of you with comments, remarks, are welcome to email me… (:-roBBie:-) roBBieNetWork

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I have refunded 2 bikes this year one was our fault, bike was fine just delays with parts, the other there was nothing wrong with the guy just changed his mind. The only bikes I have sold in Oz this year were to Gemma Kernich, a lurker here abouts, and 2 of her freinds in Adelaide. Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Previously, I was lethargic, and couldn’t be bothered to go to iPrimus and have this guy kicked off. I could handle a little bit of spam, I just dealt with it by not going to the obviously unrelated web site. This however is completely different. Making slanderous allegations against someone just because they didnt agree with your spamming is not right. I would like to see him get anyone else kicked from their ISP in this NG, he is the one causing trouble. The chances that your anyones son would know to ask for a custom tri bike from an obviously niche retailer, and that further this guy would buy it for him are small. The chances that he would have problems, take it back, be refused service and be told to F**** off are even smaller. He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will. SB Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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The only bikes I have sold in Oz this year were to Gemma Kernich, a lurker here abouts, and 2 of her freinds in Adelaide.

And that’s true (and it’s a nice bike too) – it’s time to kick robbie (whatever) off this NG – I could ignore his irrelevant posts before but NOW Gemma (lurkmodebackon) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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Firstly thanx to the 17 email messages received about their comments and ‘riot’ on this newsgroup…..Lloyd does not OWN this newsgroup…nor has he the right without prove to go SLANDERING someone who has placed a message onto the site…. It seems the writer of this message "safetyboy" and many others do not understand what SPAM is…..USENET has a code of ethics which the majority abide by….your are a fool to think this message constitutes ‘abuse’ …. This n/g has a lot of readers and it is their choice, providing the message is not off topic to either read it….act upon it…of simply block it! Lloyd of Curloo has now gone beyond was is acceptable reading….I suggest "safetyboy" and many others read his messages very carefully….he certainly uses this site to pawn his wares….when my good Company name becomes involved i will do whaterver is in my powers to stop the ‘rorting’!!! I have nothing to do with this site….but when I have members complain to me I need to effectively act!!! I have lodged a complaint and attached copies of his threats and slanderous statements to his ISP provider….I have personally spoken to iprimus which my company is a long term account customer…they were astounded with the information made available to them… Lloyd your days are numbered…. Those of you with comments, remarks, are welcome to email me… (:-roBBie:-) roBBieNetWork – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Previously, I was lethargic, and couldn’t be bothered to go to iPrimus and have this guy kicked off. I could handle a little bit of spam, I just dealt with it by not going to the obviously unrelated web site. This however is completely different. Making slanderous allegations against someone just because they didnt agree with your spamming is not right. I would like to see him get anyone else kicked from their ISP in this NG, he is the one causing trouble. The chances that your anyones son would know to ask for a custom tri bike from an obviously niche retailer, and that further this guy would buy it for him are small. The chances that he would have problems, take it back, be refused service and be told to F**** off are even smaller. He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will. SB Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

Before we hear Mr. Curloo’s comments on this…perhaps some more information would be helpful. A good website doesn’t mean a good company, and vice-versa. OK…you paid and didn’t receive a product that you were satisfied with…how and why? What was/is the problem? This is a TOP newsgroup?  Really? Dave Everybody has a story…

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… He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will.

Please do not feed the troll. Tom

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This is actually a cut and paste from one of our employees in Brisbane As our Company name has been used in ‘vain’….it has become my vested interest to ensure CURLOO eats every word he has displayed in the N/G and personal emails to our Company…. We will ensure that this newsgroup will stay free of power games and that every individual has a right to express their messages….NOT entice fellow members with slanderous false remarks to forward  "abuse" accussations to ISP providers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker Before we hear Mr. Curloo’s comments on this…perhaps some more information would be helpful. A good website doesn’t mean a good company, and vice-versa. OK…you paid and didn’t receive a product that you were satisfied with…how and why? What was/is the problem? This is a TOP newsgroup?  Really? Dave Everybody has a story…

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OK here is a sample of roBbieNetWorks other posts, search under his email address on www.deja.com.             Search Result 3       Newsgroups: alt.flame.faggots, alt.personals.gay, alt.homosexual             View complete thread Wanting to trade pics of pre-teen boys having "fun".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is actually a cut and paste from one of our employees in Brisbane As our Company name has been used in ‘vain’….it has become my vested interest to ensure CURLOO eats every word he has displayed in the N/G and personal emails to our Company…. We will ensure that this newsgroup will stay free of power games and that every individual has a right to express their messages….NOT entice fellow members with slanderous false remarks to forward  "abuse" accussations to ISP providers. Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker Before we hear Mr. Curloo’s comments on this…perhaps some more information would be helpful. A good website doesn’t mean a good company, and vice-versa. OK…you paid and didn’t receive a product that you were satisfied with…how and why? What was/is the problem? This is a TOP newsgroup?  Really? Dave Everybody has a story…

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Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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This is the lovely friend of the newsgroup spammer "Kenskite". Very nice and honest people, just to a search for "RoBBieNetwork" on google and all you will get is references about kiddy porn and his harrasing people about porn on newsgroups. These links were found by a simple search at www.deja.com       Relevant groups       alt.sex.men       alt.personals.gay       alt.sex.gaymen.porn       alt.sex.boys       =====YOUNG***HOT***HORNY=====       a world with something for almost everyone so Go enjoy! — roBBieNetwork – Endorsed       ‘Twink’ Sites http://www.communityzero.com/favesites LOADS of LINKS to enjoy …       alt.sex.men – 28 Feb 2001 by roBBieNetWork – View Thread       =====YOUNG***HOT***SEXY=====       a world with something for almost everyone so GO enjoy! — roBBieNetwork – Endorsed       ‘Twink’ Sites http://www.communityzero.com/favesites LOADS of LINKS to enjoy …       alt.sex.gaymen.porn – 27 Feb 2001 by roBBieNetWork – View Thread       =====YOUNG***HOT***HUNG=====       a world with something for almost everyone so Go enjoy! — roBBieNetwork – Endorsed       ‘Twink’ Sites http://www.communityzero.com/favesites LOADS of LINKS to enjoy …       alt.sex.boys – 27 Feb 2001 by roBBieNetWork – View Thread       =====YOUNG***HOT***SEXY=====       a world with something for almost everyone so Go enjoy! — roBBieNetwork – Endorsed       ‘Twink’ Sites http://www.communityzero.com/favesites LOADS of LINKS to enjoy …       alt.sex.homosexual – 27 Feb 2001 by roBBieNetWork – View Thread http://www.gayinsider.com/gayinsider/links/Adult_Websites/Young_Men/m… html BTW, we do not sell bike within Australia so your lies are even better. Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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Previously, I was lethargic, and couldn’t be bothered to go to iPrimus and have this guy kicked off. I could handle a little bit of spam, I just dealt with it by not going to the obviously unrelated web site. This however is completely different. Making slanderous allegations against someone just because they didnt agree with your spamming is not right. I would like to see him get anyone else kicked from their ISP in this NG, he is the one causing trouble. The chances that your anyones son would know to ask for a custom tri bike from an obviously niche retailer, and that further this guy would buy it for him are small. The chances that he would have problems, take it back, be refused service and be told to F**** off are even smaller. He has obviously been kicked from iPrimus, now it is will be sending mine immediately, join me if you will. SB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just before xmax I made a purchase from their pretty crappy website only because my son wanted one of his bikes. I paid a lot of money and I am not happy with the purchase He refuses to fix the problems and I demanded my money back Please pay no attention to his remarks he is a total ARSEHOLE   a con man and rip off merchant and by reading some of the messages in this TOP newsgroup a flamer, nusiance and trouble maker

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Sorry, I also forgot to post that the top finishers in each age group, and a brief race report are also available on Inside Triathlon’s website. Rance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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Results will also be posted at the race web-site – lawrencetriathlon.com  and at the active.com web-site.   Z Tom Ziebart – Orlando Regional Sports & Health

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Results were posted this afternoon on our website <www.lawrencetriathlon.com.  Results are listed by age group and also by overall place.  We also listed penalties by race number, as well as splits for those only finishing the swim or the swim and bike.  Thanks for your patience.  Please do not contact Lawrence Triathlon for questions on times though, as we are only posting the results and did not perform the timing and scoring. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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Where on the site are they located?  I can’t seem to find them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Results were posted this afternoon on our website <www.lawrencetriathlon.com.  Results are listed by age group and also by overall place.  We also listed penalties by race number, as well as splits for those only finishing the swim or the swim and bike.  Thanks for your patience.  Please do not contact Lawrence Triathlon for questions on times though, as we are only posting the results and did not perform the timing and scoring. Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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The bad news?  The administrators of the USAT national site appear to be largely computer illiterate.  The good news?  Someone in the southeast region of USAT knows what to do.  Go to www.usat-se.org/usatnat00.htm. Lew Kidder – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where on the site are they located?  I can’t seem to find them. Results were posted this afternoon on our website <www.lawrencetriathlon.com.  Results are listed by age group and also by overall place.  We also listed penalties by race number, as well as splits for those only finishing the swim or the swim and bike.  Thanks for your patience.  Please do not contact Lawrence Triathlon for questions on times though, as we are only posting the results and did not perform the timing and scoring. Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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Results are to be posted on www.usatriathlon.org on Monday (September 11th)  They were being prepared today by the timing company for the event, Lakeshore Athletics, out of Chicago.  Thanks to everyone who raced. Rance McClain Lawrence Triathlon, Inc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where results from Age Group Nationals are posted? Thanks Kyle

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looked on the Web for Lifecycle workouts but no luck.  Does anyone have a resource for lifecycle HR work-outs?

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Mike: Have you tried a "Spinning Class" ? It is a great alternative to the "Lifecycle". I am teaching a class at the "Richmond Athletic Club" on Tuesday nights at 6:30 p.m. Hope to see you there. Take care, Keith — Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits Website: www.ironmanwetsuits.com toll free order line: 800-897-6464 international calls: 804-288-6000 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – looked on the Web for Lifecycle workouts but no luck.  Does anyone have a resource for lifecycle HR work-outs?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Almost all of us know that steep seat tube angles allow you to stay on a more aero and efficient position. However, my bike is a road Pinarello with a 73 degree seat tube angle (or something like that) and I’m really not planning to switch to a tri bike with steep s.t.a. (like QR) anytime soon. My point is that you get a hell of a workout when you race or even train with the roadies. You can get a lot faster by doing that than by moving your butt forward one or two inches. If anybody has any comments on that, please post’em here and let everybody know. Enrico Canali

In response to Enrico, seat tube angle is one of the primary reasons for my getting online.  I’ve been puzzled by this question since I started doing triathlons three years ago.  I’m a novice cyclist and triathlete so my lack of cycling miles may make my observations irrelevant to anyone else but, for what its worth, here they are:   Coming from a running background (31:15 10k many years ago), I’m particularly sensitive to things which affect my stride.  I’ve found the run in a half-ironman i did this year to be miserable when using a 73.5 seat angle with the saddle all the way forward.  My calves were shot and my hamstrings didn’t feel to great either. Immediately after the half-ironman I received a Profile fast forward post that had been on backorder.  I had about 3 months until my next race  (excuse:  wedding, honeymoon enough said) so I had plenty of time to adjust to a new position. The run in the Oly Distance was fantastic.  I felt great, had a full stride and popped the 3rd fastest run split, not to brag but to show the difference I think the more forward position made to me. I’m inclined to believe that the forward position, relieving some of my running specific muscles, had alot to do with my split.  However, this is by no means scientific evidence.  I had plenty of time to train between races and may have been in better overall running and cycling shape.  Also, I have rarely, if ever read anything about the forward seat angle improving your running by virtue of relieving running specific muscles. In a loose attempt to approach this thing scientifically, after the Oly distance race with the good run split, I changed back to the straight seat post (gradually) and noticed that I could climb hills alot better in the saddle but that my runs felt like hell the next day, even two days later and riding in the aero bars was definitely less comfortable. That was enough for me.   That’s All I Have. Good Luck…Chris Pass

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Almost all of us know that steep seat tube angles allow you to stay on a more aero and efficient position. However, my bike is a road Pinarello with a 73 degree seat tube angle (or something like that) and I’m really not planning to switch to a tri bike with steep s.t.a. (like QR) anytime soon. My point is that you get a hell of a workout when you race or even train with the roadies. You can get a lot faster by doing that than by moving your butt forward one or two inches. If anybody has any comments on that, please post’em here and let everybody know. Enrico Canali

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I agree that you can get a great workout riding with "roadies".  I have trained on a standard drop-bar road bike the last 4 years and raced on a TT bike with a forward seatpost.  The main point, however, is that the angle between the quadriceps, back, and gluteal muscles need to stay relatively constant.  Even in the fastest group road rides I’ve never been in the drop bar position for more than half of the time, so my torso was slanted upwards a bit versus my TT position.  However, since I run a relatively lower handlebar position on my TT bike (to allow a flatter, more horizontal back), I need to rotate my torso forward so that my back, gluteal, and quadricep muscles are in approximately the same angle relatively to each other.  The key is specificity.  You need to train and race in the same position as much as possible.  This is why many pure road riders do not ride steep-angled TT bikes…their neuromuscular firing patterns would not respond to the efferent signals from their joints and muscles.  However, witness Rominger’s hour-record ride…he used a 74-degree ST vs a 71-degree on the road.  However, if you compare his road position versus his TT position his torso is much more horizontal in the TT position, as it is more supported by his skeletal (vs muscular) system. My opinions on seat-tube angles stated above is independent of aerodynamics, which plays another (and very important) role in achieving maximum velocity of the bike.  However, unless the race is pretty short (<40km TT…if you’re mentally tough and have flexible spine and hamstrings) it’s pretty impossible to hold an extremely low aero position like Colby Pearce or Chris Boardman (pre-Superman)…therefore, it kinda goes back to each rider’s own comfort zone.  If you’re not comfortable, no matter how much the position is aerodynamically sound…they simply will NOT go fast. Speed is Life, Dave Chen Arizona State Triathlon Team, Captain www.public.asu.edu/~dseeburg/other/tridevils

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I have been riding a Klein Quantum for 6 years and have placed very well on it in my age-group in local triathlons. It is a fine road-race geometry bike.  I also have sat on the tip of a forward pushed saddle for 6 years wondering how I could get any LESS comfortable.  I have bought a new QR. I plan on training hard, as always, and using the new bike to full effect.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Almost all of us know that steep seat tube angles allow you to stay on a more aero and efficient position. However, my bike is a road Pinarello with a 73 degree seat tube angle (or something like that) and I’m really not planning to switch to a tri bike with steep s.t.a. (like QR) anytime soon. My point is that you get a hell of a workout when you race or even train with the roadies. You can get a lot faster by doing that than by moving your butt forward one or two inches. If anybody has any comments on that, please post’em here and let everybody know. Enrico Canali

You are right Enrico, riding hard with roadies will make you faster. Tell me this when is the last time you saw a roadie run a marathon after doing a century? From things I have read that’s what the steep angles are for. Steve

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Anyone know how a junior goes about qualifying for the National Duathlon team??? I’m starting to plan out my racing schedule for the 97 season and need to consider if I want to/can attempt to qualify for the team.  Basically, it comes down to the date(s??) of the qualifying races (i gotta race track all spring, takes a little while to get some bike miles in). Any information will be helpful, I’ve had a real difficult time getting any info on this at all, which sorta brings me to another point.  If we’re trying so hard to get more juniors into the sport, why is so friggin’ hard to find out stuff like this.  I know the system for triathlon (Columbia and Vineman junior qual races) but don’t have a clue for the du’s.  Since i swim like a rock but bike and run real well this is what I do.  I’m sure i’m better connected (rst) than a lot of others out there and even i don’t know where even to race.  Well, thanks for any help you can provide. Gratefully, i am) Drafting Sucks.  Keep tri-ing!

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Anyone know how a junior goes about qualifying for the National Duathlon Any information will be helpful, I’ve had a real difficult time getting any info on this at all, which sorta brings me to another point.  If we’re trying so hard to get more juniors into the sport, why is so friggin’ hard to find out stuff like this.  I know the system for triathlon (Columbia and Vineman junior qual races) but don’t have a clue for the du’s.  fting Sucks.  Keep tri-ing!

O.k. i’m not a duathlete but i am a junior triathlete.  I want to acknowledge the fact that efforts are being put into getting juniors into the sports of triathlon and duathlon but the only ones getting the benefits of what USA tri and Tri-Fed put into the sport are those that are elite.  What about those people that are not elite and don’t own the latest stuff and can’t go as fast?  Last summer i attended a junior development camp in Camp Whitcomb/Mason coached by Bob Hanisch and i was fortunate enough to win a GT frameset.  This was before GT made the vengeance, so i gave it to a less fortunate collegue of mine because i think there should be more equilibrium in the sports of tri and du. Just my two sense. — Logan Heinrich "Tri-Weasel" **If there was no ice cream there would be nothing but chaos and darkness**

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Can anyone recommend a place to stay O/N in or near Fairlee, Vermont? The triathlon is on Sun. July 14th and am looking for a cheap motel/ B&B in the area for the night of July 13. There are 2 of us. Thanks. Bill Kellar

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Can anyone recommend a place to stay O/N in or near Fairlee, Vermont? The triathlon is on Sun. July 14th and am looking for a cheap motel/ B&B in the area for the night of July 13. There are 2 of us. Thanks. Bill Kellar

  I plan on staying in White River Junction Vt. on Saturday night.  There is a Comfort Inn and a Holiday Inn in the town.  There are also several other smaller motels in the area. The rate for a one person room is $72.   There is also a Day’s Inn and another Holiday Inn across the Connecticut River in Lebanon NH.  Both are approx 20-25 minutes from the race site.   See you at the race.   Martin — Martin Feeney "Swim…Bike…Run…COLLAPSE.  Triathletes have three times as much fun."

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Try the Silver Maple Lodge, a B&B. It is quite near the site Also the Lake Morey Inn which is the site this year is ok. Sorry don,t have the telephone #’s Eric Averill

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In search of the best magazines, here’s my .02 Best Pictures: 220 (I love the paper!) Best Stories: Inside Triathlon Best Product Reviews, training tips: Triathlete Multisport: I asked for a sample, it never came Competitor (Southern Cal): Great editorial for a regional mag. I get 220 and Triathlete, pick up Competitor at the bike shop, and just decided not to subscribe to Inside Triathlon because you have to stop somewhere, and I guess they could use a little humility while they are still fussing over the VeloNet issue. Brian Sullivan

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What is the general concensus of the best, most educational, and beneficial to age-group triathletes, magazine for triathletes on the market.  I am not interested in just getting a run-down of race results, but of new products, and especially training tips which we can use daily. Thank you. Tristan J fiedler

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Did you say consensus? Boy are you in the wrong place! Kurian Davis

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I second the vote.  I get both for the same reasons.  I also get Bicycle Guide for additional bicycle tech type stuff and running research news for sports medicine/physiology (sic) type stuff. Neal Silver Spring – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I like inside triathlon, they seem to have the best editorial and interviews, but for product reviews and advertising, I recommend triathlete. Alan

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So here is my new dog technique. It’s a wimpy one, I admit. When the dog rushes out with saliva gleaming on its teeth, I stop the bike and position the bike between me and the dog, all the while yelling, "Bad dog! Go home! You SOB owners!". I stand there and yell til the dog goes away. The dog isn’t interested if you’re not moving. It goes away. Then I ride off.

I second cathy’s suggestion.  Having been a cyclist for 25 years I have had my share of encounters with dogs.  My biggest fear is not being bitten, but hitting the dog (which I have done several time with results ……).  Finger pointing, followed by pump pointing followed by cathy’s technique work fine.  Anything more active puts you at risk of hitting te dog. Neal Washington, DC

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In this day and age it is a good idea to carry mace or pepper spray with you for both dogs and derrilects ( especially pickup trucks!).

I’m not sure about dogs, but if you spray a human you’re at least as likely to infuriate him as you are to stop him – especially if he’s already really angry or jacked up on drugs.  Mace is very dangerous for the user.  Better to carry a cell-phone for evil humans than to carry mace – and, unlike mace, you can’t get sued for using it, either. The best thing for a dog is to unclip your pump and whack him as hard as you can between the eyes.  I ‘hit’ on this strategy as a kid when I was delivering newspapers.  Once whacked, the same dog never bothered me again. I usually felt bad about it afterwards, but I figured it was better to feel bad than to spend an hour tweezing gravel out of a road rash. – Tim Iverson

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So here is my new dog technique. It’s a wimpy one, I admit. When the dog rushes out with saliva gleaming on its teeth, I stop the bike and position the bike between me and the dog, all the while yelling, "Bad dog! Go home! You SOB owners!". I stand there and yell til the dog goes away. The dog isn’t interested if you’re not moving. It goes away. Then I ride off.

Pepper sprays work very well when one is confronted by  a charging humanoid, but are much less effective on canine mucous membranes. I usually resort to the "American Flyers" technique of training with Eddy. With enough warning of an oncoming attack. A rampaging dog can provide a VERY STIMULATING sprint training tool.

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This thread got to be about dogs, but after lurking for a while, I have a quick, funny story about rednecks. I was running in North Carolina (where I worked) when a couple of yokels in a truck (surprise) chunked something at me. It missed, but skidded to a stop about 10 yards ahead. The yokels had slowed down to taunt me but were more than a bit surprised when I picked it up, discovered that it was a snack size snickers (with virgin wrapping), and quickly chomped on it. I was low on glycogen anyway, so I yelled thanks. I saw them laugh and drive off. 15 minutes later, they were headed toward me. They stopped (can you say fight or flight) when one leaned out the door and handed me a King size snickers and told me I looked like I was a sissy. Never had problems after that. Enlightenment comes from humor and niceties, not middle fingers and obscenities. Remember that next time granny cuts you off. joshua allen "I’m back, and I’m out of shape!"

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Geez, and thought only rednecks here in Alabama acted that way. While I have been unlucky enough to have beer cans thrown at me while riding, I have been lucky to not have been hit.  More often than not the assholes, slow down and yell at you, "Git off the road." Or, they honk their horns while just behind you.   I wish there was a fix for stupid people. Yeah, instead of pepper spray, I could market enlightenment spray.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So Tom lemmen said: I’ve tried pepper spray on dogs.  It’s difficult to hang onto a bike and nail the dog too. In fact i’ve used up entire cannisters without spraying the dog.  What we need is a larger cannister that puts out the entire contents almost at once to create a "shotgun" effect. For the lack of any other solution: NOw I KNOW i"m gonna get flamed for this but: I don’t believe that tossing a treat to a chasing dog or a dog that’s in front of you (real scary on a bike) is gonna stop that dog the next time. I carry a dart.  Yup, a dart with a point on it.  Not a very long point but a point nontheless.  I find that the shock value of the sharp pain makes such an impression on the dog, that he NEVER chases a bike again. This is actually a humaine thing to do since the dog tends to stay off the street more. and away from cars.

I know a roadie that brings a .22 with rat shot in it. If the dogs gets aggressive, it gets a cap in the ass. 99% of the time that dog stays on the porch the next time(s). But for that 1% that insist on trying to take a bite out of him, he puts a real bullet in that gun. Now killing the dog seems to be extreme to me (I just have the pepper spray), but I don’t have much problem with the rat shot. Some might think it is inhumane, but if that dog keeps attacking people, I would rather see it, the aggressor, hurt or killed, than the rider. tj T.J. Fry                  : "It takes a big man to cry, but Clemson University        : that man".-DEEP THOUGHTS by Jack Handy Men’s varsity swimming    :

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So here is my new dog technique. It’s a wimpy one, I admit. When the dog rushes out with saliva gleaming on its teeth, I stop the bike and position the bike between me and the dog, all the while yelling, I second cathy’s suggestion.  

I’ll vote for Cathy’s technique but add on close encounter of the dog king, story.       My biking buddy and I were just over the top of our towns hilliest section when out came the only dog in town not on a leash.  My friend being ahead of me, as ussual, hopped off his bike on the opposite side of the dog to get the "bike-sheild" effect at the earliest possible moment.  The dog backed off but in the awkwark moment of getting off the bike on the unfamiliar right side he slammed the rear wheel on the road surface breaking his rim, too much adrenaline.   To add insult to rimjury a thunderstorm soaked us only moments later. The messege: gentle finesse with the equitment.

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Picture it… The weekly Thursday night time trial out in the farmlands in Davis.  I am the first rider to go since I am the slowest.  Just past the turnaround point a car passes me and slows down enough to hurl a huge wine bottle at me.  Fortunately I was standing up and cranking on the pedals to get back up to speed, so I saw the bottle coming.  I braked and slowed enough to allow the bottle to smash in a thousand pieces.  Everyone safely completed the course without any flat tires.  I hate to think what may have happened if I had my head down as usual…. No wonder I have as much accidental death and dismemburment insurance as I am allowed. Janet

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Picture it… The weekly Thursday night time trial out in the farmlands in Davis.  I am the first rider to go since I am the slowest.  Just past the turnaround point a car passes me and slows down enough to hurl a huge wine bottle at me.  Fortunately I was standing up and cranking on the pedals to get back up to speed, so I saw the bottle coming.  I braked and slowed enough to allow the bottle to smash in a thousand pieces.  Everyone safely completed the course without any flat tires.  I hate to think what may have happened if I had my head down as usual…. No wonder I have as much accidental death and dismemburment insurance as I am allowed. Janet

Unfortunately, I’ve had a partially filled beer can and a firecracker tossed at me on PCH. There are some sick people out there… Brad

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In this day and age it is a good idea to carry mace or pepper spray with you for both dogs and derrilects ( especially pickup trucks!).

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: Just past the turnaround : point a car passes me and slows down enough to hurl a huge wine bottle at : me. Make sure to get the plate number if at all possible and call the police.  I’ve had good luck with the police actually stopping the car in cases like this.  Throwing objects out of a car is illegal.  The police love this kind of information because they have a high probability of making a Driving Under the Influence (DUI) stop.  More than likely the driver was involved in emptying the bottle. Lou Salz

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Just past the turnaround point a car passes me and slows down enough to hurl a huge wine bottle at me.

LS Make sure to get the plate number if at all possible and call the LS police.  I’ve had good luck with the police actually stopping the car LS in LS cases like this.  Throwing objects out of a car is illegal.  The LS police LS love this kind of information because they have a high probability of LS making a Driving Under the Influence (DUI) stop. Yup, the cops will get them. but not until AFTER several days. and then the evidence is lost. LS More than likely the LS driver was involved in emptying the bottle. LS LS Lou Salz Doens’t matter if the driver was drinking at all in most states. THis is because there are laws about an open container of alchahol in the car.  THAT is what gets ya, Drinking or not Just my two cents. If you have witnesses that can also id the plates.  Then you have a much more solid case.  (reckless endangerment carries a pretty stiff penalty.) — * OFFLINE 1.58 * I don’t know *WHY* I’m so thirsty today… what with all I drank last night! — * KMail 3.10m The Wright Place in Baltimore 410-882-4481

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A A In this day and age it is a good idea to carry mace or pepper spray A with A you for both dogs and derrilects ( especially pickup trucks!). So Tom lemmen said: I’ve tried pepper spray on dogs.  It’s difficult to hang onto a bike and nail the dog too. In fact i’ve used up entire cannisters without spraying the dog.  What we need is a larger cannister that puts out the entire contents almost at once to create a "shotgun" effect. For the lack of any other solution: NOw I KNOW i"m gonna get flamed for this but: I don’t believe that tossing a treat to a chasing dog or a dog that’s in front of you (real scary on a bike) is gonna stop that dog the next time. I carry a dart.  Yup, a dart with a point on it.  Not a very long point but a point nontheless.  I find that the shock value of the sharp pain makes such an impression on the dog, that he NEVER chases a bike again. This is actually a humaine thing to do since the dog tends to stay off the street more. and away from cars. — * OFFLINE 1.58 * I don’t know *WHY* I’m so thirsty today… what with all I drank last night! — * KMail 3.10m The Wright Place in Baltimore 410-882-4481

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I’ve tried pepper spray on dogs.  It’s difficult to hang onto a bike and nail the dog too.

I used to carry "Halt" thinking it would keep the dogs away. One day I used it, I squirted the dog right in the face, he ran in front of my biking partner because he couldn’t see, and my biking partner crashed. So here is my new dog technique. It’s a wimpy one, I admit. When the dog rushes out with saliva gleaming on its teeth, I stop the bike and position the bike between me and the dog, all the while yelling, "Bad dog! Go home! You SOB owners!". I stand there and yell til the dog goes away. The dog isn’t interested if you’re not moving. It goes away. Then I ride off. Cathy Corning

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My girlfriend gave me a lesson in dog avoidance while on a run once.  A loose dog came running at us as we ran by a house.  Growling and snarling, it was overtaking us.   My girlfriend, blessed with a loud voice from being a school teacher, SHOUTED very loudly "NO!".  The dog stopped dead in its tracks and whimpered on home.   I, having been bitten 3-4 times by loose dogs, was in a full sprint at this time (wrong move!).   -Rolf — Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D.     |  (Back by popular demand…)     |         "Do."

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So here is my new dog technique. It’s a wimpy one, I admit. When the dog rushes out with saliva gleaming on its teeth, I stop the bike and position the bike between me and the dog, all the while yelling, "Bad dog! Go home! You SOB owners!". I stand there and yell til the dog goes away. The dog isn’t interested if you’re not moving. It goes away. Then I ride off.

I’ve done this a couple of times, but I think my technique could use some refinement since I nearly did more damage tripping over my LOOK cleats than the dog would’ve inflicted. A word about pepper sprays.  I carried a spray for 6 months after being chased down by a big, snarling dog on a run.  I avoided injury by lots of screaming and arm waving (and I can recommend a dog encounter as a good way to find your max HR!).  My training after that was like a bad Starsky and Hutch episode:  everytime I’d hear a dog bark in the distance I’d grab the spray from my holster and wait for the canine attack.  Fortunately for 6 months nothing happened.  Then one day on the bike a big, black, FAST lab was looking for a calf to gnaw on and I grabbed my pepper spray can and aimed.  I pressed the button and this brown gunk dribbled out-there was no pressure in the can!  I threw the can at him and hauled ass.   Moral of the story:  check you spray when you buy it and periodically afterwards.  It may be the difference between life and luncheon meat. joe jankovsky "Your mother sews license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?" -Val Kilmer in _Real Genius_         WWW:    http://minerva.cis.yale.edu/~jjankov/             New England Triathlon Page:           http://minerva.cis.yale.edu/~jjankov/ne.html

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are from.  Certainly you should have Finnish, French, German and I think there is someone from Spain also.  Definitely we must exclude

Definetely include Finnish!!!! Pauli Kiuru rules!!!!!

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Great idea. Let’s get going. Race season is upon us. Andrew Peabody Miami

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I suggest we put "SWIM, BIKE, RUN" in 3 or 4 different languages on the back.  Personally, I think it would be cool NOT to include an English translation on the back.  What do others think?

What a good idea!  Why not as many languages as countries having posters here?  Just ask those who have asked to be included where they are from.  Certainly you should have Finnish, French, German and I think there is someone from Spain also.  Definitely we must exclude JJ’s language.  (JJ: if it were not for the fact that you are one of the most valued contributors to r.s.t. you probably would have been hung and quartered by the same people who just tapped your hand with a ruler.  But then, you knew that ahead of time.  I for one admire your courage to say what was bound to be controversial. R) Ruth Kazez

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The following is an excerpt from an email I received from fellow RSTer, Tony Sako… There is a company called RST that makes suspension forks for mtn bikes, and to add to the confusion, in years past Reebok and Scott Tinley have had team Reebok-Scott Tinley (RST), which amyone could join.

I’m really glad Tony pointed this out! With this in mind, we should probably consider spelling r.s.t. out in the front. So this would be either   Team rec.sport.triathlon   rec.sport.triathlon RACING Actually, the graphics that most people voted for captured this idea. (Currently, the voting is a dead heat between 3, 4, 5, & 6)  I suggested to QRman that we take a couple of the "popular" designs to the silk-screenist and find out the cost and do-ablility of each. As far as the rear logo goes, there were so many different *really good* suggestions ( 50) that there wasn’t a consensus.  There was a lot of people who like the foreign language idea.  The problem with many foreign languages (at least germanic) is that when a new word is invented, like "triathlon", they just adopt it as is.  So the challenge is to find older words that have different translations. I suggest we put "SWIM, BIKE, RUN" in 3 or 4 different languages on the back.  Personally, I think it would be cool NOT to include an English translation on the back.  What do others think? Pat    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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Does anyone know when the next Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon is scheduled? If so any information on how to sign-up would be appreciated.

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There is Alcatraz Challenge BIATHLON (1.5m S – 9m R) on October 23, Sunday, call Joe Oakes (415) 903-0341 for more information. ] Steve Siltanen…

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Contact for the Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon is Dave Horning, Enviro-Sports, PO Box 1040 Stinson Beach, CA 94970, 415-868-1829, FAX 415-868 2611. Call early to get on the mailing list. The 1995 date  looks like in Sept. sometime  but, might change. Also,  check out Triathlon Mag. this month for this year’s photos and stories. Great fun and a great course. Eric Gould – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when the next Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon is scheduled? If so any information on how to sign-up would be appreciated.

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