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He’s over at rec.sports.triathlon these causing the same scene that we dealt with earlier. I guess sales are down. You’re right, it is rubbish. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jon, will you quit posting the same rubbish with a slightly revised first couple of paragraphs every couple of months – we’ve already done this article to death here. Just go read the archives and imagine you have something new to say.

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we’ve been thru’ this here before. less than a couple of months ago. jobs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this

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Jon, will you quit posting the same rubbish with a slightly revised first couple of paragraphs every couple of months – we’ve already done this article to death here. Just go read the archives and imagine you have something new to say. — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://distancerunner.tmfweb.nl "The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have training logs to keep; and miles to run before I sleep".

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I will be most obliging. ****** 9 August 2001 The End of the British Empire: Why a Brit (Black or White) Will Never Again Hold a Distance Running Record By Jon Entine When the gun goes off for the men

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Hi, Just a gentle reminder that some folks are good Olympic coverage deprived, like us here  in the US. That means we have to wait 24 hours to see the action. Yes it may be old news to you but to some of us it isn’t and we may want to see the race unfold. I’m avoiding anything that looks like triathlon on tv, radio or internet until I see the race tonite (ironically just when the women are racing) If you want to root for your favorite athlete please do so in a way that won’t report results in the header of your message. Go on as long as you like in the message but please have a heart don’t spoil. Thanks for the cooperation. I’m trying not to be the rec.running ettiquite police, just trying to make an enjoyable environment for all. Peace, Andy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Just a gentle reminder that some folks are good Olympic coverage deprived, like us here  in the US. That means we have to wait 24 hours to see the action. Yes it may be old news to you but to some of us it isn’t and we may want to see the race unfold. I’m avoiding anything that looks like triathlon on tv, radio or internet until I see the race tonite (ironically just when the women are racing) If you want to root for your favorite athlete please do so in a way that won’t report results in the header of your message. Go on as long as you like in the message but please have a heart don’t spoil. Thanks for the cooperation. I’m trying not to be the rec.running ettiquite police, just trying to make an enjoyable environment for all. Peace, Andy

Hmm…we’re treading on dangerous ground here, aren’t we Andy? It’s asking others to censor what they want to talk about. I can understand your desire for wanting to find out the results when you watch T.V. However, since that’s your desire, it would probably be the right thing for you to avoid rec.running while you know your sports are being covered, instead of asking others to please not spoil it for you. Don’t you think so? Anyway, not trying to set up a war here or anything. Just wanting to point out that this is the internet and while most folks here are probably in the U.S, Canada region (or so it seems) it still doesn’t exclude others who aren’t in this region. Oh…anyways, Canada get live coverage. Peace, C

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I see nothing wrong with people avoiding naming winners in the headers of messages.  Something like "That Triathalon Was Great" works just as well as "Wasn’t Joe Smoe Great Winning The Triathalon" and it doesn’t ruin it for others.  Both can have the same message. -jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Just a gentle reminder that some folks are good Olympic coverage deprived, like us here  in the US. That means we have to wait 24 hours to see the action. Yes it may be old news to you but to some of us it isn’t and we may want to see the race unfold. I’m avoiding anything that looks like triathlon on tv, radio or internet until I see the race tonite (ironically just when the women are racing) If you want to root for your favorite athlete please do so in a way that won’t report results in the header of your message. Go on as long as you like in the message but please have a heart don’t spoil. Thanks for the cooperation. I’m trying not to be the rec.running ettiquite police, just trying to make an enjoyable environment for all. Peace, Andy Hmm…we’re treading on dangerous ground here, aren’t we Andy? It’s asking others to censor what they want to talk about. I can understand your desire for wanting to find out the results when you watch T.V. However, since that’s your desire, it would probably be the right thing for you to avoid rec.running while you know your sports are being covered, instead of asking others to please not spoil it for you. Don’t you think so? Anyway, not trying to set up a war here or anything. Just wanting to point out that this is the internet and while most folks here are probably in the U.S, Canada region (or so it seems) it still doesn’t exclude others who aren’t in this region. Oh…anyways, Canada get live coverage. Peace, C

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I see nothing wrong with people avoiding naming winners in the headers of messages.  Something like "That Triathalon Was Great" works just as well as "Wasn’t Joe Smoe Great Winning The Triathalon" and it doesn’t ruin it for others.  Both can have the same message. -jeff

Thanks. I apparently missed that line about the "header". It would have been nice to have it in caps. C

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Conal, there is no desire to censor. Andy even points out that he is not opposed to people going on as long as they like in the body of the message but to avoid giving results in the header.  This seems like proper netiquette to me.  Imagine avoiding the news all day and then going onto the newsgroup for the first time in several days and seeing a header:  Favor Hamilton wins Gold!  It could ruin watching it for some people. A personal confession:  I thought that I could hold out and not peak at the websites with results, but the curiosity gets the better of me so I look at triathlon results.  However, knowing the results of the swimming competition did not keep me from watching.  It sucks when you break the existing WR and still come in second to the Thorpedo and his air guitar buddies:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Just a gentle reminder that some folks are good Olympic coverage deprived, like us here  in the US. That means we have to wait 24 hours to see the action. Yes it may be old news to you but to some of us it isn’t and we may want to see the race unfold. I’m avoiding anything that looks like triathlon on tv, radio or internet until I see the race tonite (ironically just when the women are racing) If you want to root for your favorite athlete please do so in a way that won’t report results in the header of your message. Go on as long as you like in the message but please have a heart don’t spoil. Thanks for the cooperation. I’m trying not to be the rec.running ettiquite police, just trying to make an enjoyable environment for all. Peace, Andy Hmm…we’re treading on dangerous ground here, aren’t we Andy? It’s asking others to censor what they want to talk about. I can understand your desire for wanting to find out the results when you watch T.V. However, since that’s your desire, it would probably be the right thing for you to avoid rec.running while you know your sports are being covered, instead of asking others to please not spoil it for you. Don’t you think so? Anyway, not trying to set up a war here or anything. Just wanting to point out that this is the internet and while most folks here are probably in the U.S, Canada region (or so it seems) it still doesn’t exclude others who aren’t in this region. Oh…anyways, Canada get live coverage. Peace, C

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It’s TRIATHLON!  There is no second A despite how Bob Costas pronounces it. Just as it is not the decathAlon.  Or heptathAlon or pentathAlon. BTW, if we now have the modern pentathlon what is the ancient pentathlon?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see nothing wrong with people avoiding naming winners in the headers of messages.  Something like "That Triathalon Was Great" works just as well as "Wasn’t Joe Smoe Great Winning The Triathalon" and it doesn’t ruin it for others.  Both can have the same message. -jeff Hi, Just a gentle reminder that some folks are good Olympic coverage deprived, like us here  in the US. That means we have to wait 24 hours to see the action. Yes it may be old news to you but to some of us it isn’t and we may want to see the race unfold. I’m avoiding anything that looks like triathlon on tv, radio or internet until I see the race tonite (ironically just when the women are racing) If you want to root for your favorite athlete please do so in a way that won’t report results in the header of your message. Go on as long as you like in the message but please have a heart don’t spoil. Thanks for the cooperation. I’m trying not to be the rec.running ettiquite police, just trying to make an enjoyable environment for all. Peace, Andy Hmm…we’re treading on dangerous ground here, aren’t we Andy? It’s asking others to censor what they want to talk about. I can understand your desire for wanting to find out the results when you watch T.V. However, since that’s your desire, it would probably be the right thing for you to avoid rec.running while you know your sports are being covered, instead of asking others to please not spoil it for you. Don’t you think so? Anyway, not trying to set up a war here or anything. Just wanting to point out that this is the internet and while most folks here are probably in the U.S, Canada region (or so it seems) it still doesn’t exclude others who aren’t in this region. Oh…anyways, Canada get live coverage. Peace, C

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It’s TRIATHLON!  There is no second A despite how Bob Costas pronounces it. Just as it is not the decathAlon.  Or heptathAlon or pentathAlon.

  Thank you. BTW, if we now have the modern pentathlon what is the ancient pentathlon?

  Sabertooth tiger wrestling, javelin tossing at mammoths (often a combined event with the ‘mammoth outrunning’ contest), flint knapping, swimming the Baltic (more challenging then as the crustal rebound had barely started, but they did do it crosswise rather than lengthwise), and a run along the Danube. — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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It’s TRIATHLON!  There is no second A despite how Bob Costas pronounces it. Just as it is not the decathAlon.  Or heptathAlon or pentathAlon.   Thank you. BTW, if we now have the modern pentathlon what is the ancient pentathlon?   Sabertooth tiger wrestling, javelin tossing at mammoths (often a combined event with the ‘mammoth outrunning’ contest), flint knapping, swimming the Baltic (more challenging then as the crustal rebound had barely started, but they did do it crosswise rather than lengthwise), and a run along the Danube.

We should have an ultra-modern pentathlon: 1) Jogging 2) Commuting 3) Computer-Programming 4) Step-Aerobics 5) Video-Programming — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur

activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New

Sciences

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We should have an ultra-modern pentathlon: 1) Jogging 2) Commuting 3) Computer-Programming 4) Step-Aerobics 5) Video-Programming

Wonder what kind of drug tests they’d be giving to computer programmers.  No Ginko-Biloba?

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We should have an ultra-modern pentathlon: 1) Jogging 2) Commuting 3) Computer-Programming 4) Step-Aerobics 5) Video-Programming Wonder what kind of drug tests they’d be giving to computer programmers.  No Ginko-Biloba?

  Caffeine, silly.  Just watch what would happen if you sabotaged the coffee/jolt machines.   — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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We should have an ultra-modern pentathlon: 1) Jogging 2) Commuting 3) Computer-Programming 4) Step-Aerobics 5) Video-Programming

This isn’t the ultra-modern pentathlon. It’s the post-modern pentathlon.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We should have an ultra-modern pentathlon: 1) Jogging 2) Commuting 3) Computer-Programming 4) Step-Aerobics 5) Video-Programming Wonder what kind of drug tests they’d be giving to computer programmers. No Ginko-Biloba?  Caffeine, silly.  Just watch what would happen if you sabotaged the coffee/jolt machines.

Aww, man!  Now I’m gonna get labeled a "drug programmer"!

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This isn’t the ultra-modern pentathlon. It’s the post-modern pentathlon.

Very clever Conal. Patrick

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 I will definitely reserve the right to recognize him as a North American Resident when he smokes IMH in October.

I don’t think that Spencer is racing in Hawaii again until after Sydney 2000. I think he is concentrating on his selecting this year. But I agree with you Spencer IS the man!! Alastair

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I was curious… and still am after reading the article.  I refuse to believe anything negative in this regard.  Spencer’s the man. Of course maybe that very highly formulated METRX stuff could be confusing officials?  Does anybody really understand what’s in that stuff? As a fickle American, maybe I should start thinking of Spencer as a Brit, not as a SanDiegan, though I will definitely reserve the right to recognize him as a North American Resident when he smokes IMH in October. Go Spencer! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …there was virtually NO coverage of Spencer Smith’s fifth place finish at IMH last year.  I had actually heard something about this earlier, but it wasn’t exactly something to be bandied carelessly about.  At any rate, if you’re curious, point your web browser to: http://www.sunday-times.co.             uk/news/pages/sti/99/05/09/stispstri02001.html?999 — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Could someone please tell me what I should look for in an entry level bike. Price, model, features etc…. Thanks for the help Scott

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There are a lot of people on this group that can help you find a good bike.  There is a couple things we need to know though. 1.  do you have a bike of any kind right now 2.  Have you ever done a triathlon 3.  Do you plan on using the bike for anything else other than triathlons 4.  what kind of riding have you done if any 5.  What price range are you looking in these will give the people who can help you a little more information to help you. Good luck Mike

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Could someone please tell me what I should look for in an entry level bike. Price, model, features etc….

Assuming that you have no bike right now, I would suggest an aluminum framed road bike with Shimano 105 or Ultegra components.  The Trek 1400 is a nice bike, especially in the older models, as is the Cannondale 2.8.  I suggest looking at both new and used bikes, as new bikes often have poorer component groups, and one can get a much better bike at an excellent price by buying used. Save the money for aerobars, cleats, a computer with cadence and a decent pair of cycling shoes.  If you really want to go for it, you may want to buy aero wheels, rear seat water bottle carriers, and aerobar shifting. But the real key is fit, as you will want to be comfortable for long miles. — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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I’ve heard WWII veterans describe incoming Kamikaze. They break out in a sweat at the sound of any passing propellor plane. They are afraid because they know such sounds are accompanied by death, pain, and misery. Bagpipes also cause me great personal fear. And a thread on bagpipes in RST can only lead to a discussion of which tunes haunt us as we train (after all, it’s been nearly a year since its last appearance). The two ideas combined can only lead to The Bridge on the River Kwai, in which case the record will have to show that I simply slit my throat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s funny to see where this thread turned. I have nothing against bagpipes. Maybe it’s because I have only heard them a couple of times. But I can understand how annoying they could be if heard constantly. Since I only heard them live only a few times, and the fact that my senses were heightened that morning in the transition area as I nervously awaited the race to begin, the bagpipes turned out to be a very suggestive force in that 5k race last week. It was like I was nervous all over again. I think psycologists have a term for that, but I forgot what the exact name was. All I know is that that sensation was real, and I was reeling from  it.., Especially the fact that the bagpipes were playing the same song as the ones in the IMC transition area.                          |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                 "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Bagpipes also cause me great personal fear.

        Rick, these are the words of the truly jaded. What happened to you? Did a gang of roving bagpipe thugs attack you, force you to dance, then mug you at bagpipe point? Perhaps you tried to tackle that great climb near your house, only to be joined by a lone piper who managed to pace off the entire 5 miles length with you at 6 mph playing an out-of-tune version of "Scotland the Brave." A drunken night, when that pretty young thing turned out to be a Highlander in a kilt. What happened to you. Pray tell, it is better to talk about these things… Still tolerating well played pipes… David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Bagpipes also cause me great personal fear.    Rick, these are the words of the truly jaded. What happened to you? Did a gang of roving bagpipe thugs attack you, force you to dance, then mug you at bagpipe point? Perhaps you tried to tackle that great climb near your house, only to be joined by a lone piper who managed to pace off the entire 5 miles length with you at 6 mph playing an out-of-tune version of "Scotland the Brave." A drunken night, when that pretty young thing turned out to be a Highlander in a kilt. What happened to you. Pray tell, it is better to talk about these things… Still tolerating well played pipes…

Ah, "well-played pipes." There’s the rub. Pipes are notoriously difficult to play in tune. That should be a warning to piper wannabes who do not consider themselves musical otherwise. And it ain’t the tunes, neither. I’m a big fan of folk song from the British Isles, no matter which side of Hadrian’s Wall or the Firth of Forth (or even the Irish Sea, for that matter). I love the sound of modal harmonies. No, it is the _sound_ of pipes that sends me round the bend. You can’t identify the pitch, because it is all harmonics with no fundamental. You can’t play in on a stereo without frying the tweeters because of those harmonics. Some people describe pipes as "spine-tingling." For me, it’s "flesh-crawling." Think of the sound of an oboe. High, thin, and piercing, but it still carries the character of the musician. Now, attach the lips to a machine, add twenty other machines, and set them all to a random pitch. Now, let their pitch wander around. And also make sure that the interval between the bag pitch and the pipe pitch is out of tune. Better yet, instead of the oboe, start with twenty soprano saxophones played by most sixth-graders. And the bloody skirts don’t help. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Now, hold on there. It occurred to me that David was right – there lurked a dark secret, and now we have it revealed. My guess is that Rick once combined a kilt and his wee shaved legs, and attracted some unwanted attention ) — Slainte, Richard. Arran Triathlon Club – *the going got tough*

t… <<<A whole pile of fairly entertaining mince snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -And the bloody skirts don’t help. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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I would say something like "Shut up, bitch," except that I don’t shave my legs and my figure is not conducive to attention of that sort. Nobody has EVER referred to my legs as "wee." And I have NEVER worn a kilt! Absolutely not! No way! But I have worn lederhosen, and attracted the attention of some really cute guys–er–girls. Now, hold on there. It occurred to me that David was right – there lurked a dark secret, and now we have it revealed. My guess is that Rick once combined a kilt and his wee shaved legs, and attracted some unwanted attention )

Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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It’s funny to see where this thread turned. I have nothing against bagpipes. Maybe it’s because I have only heard them a couple of times. But I can understand how annoying they could be if heard constantly. Since I only heard them live only a few times, and the fact that my senses were heightened that morning in the transition area as I nervously awaited the race to begin, the bagpipes turned out to be a very suggestive force in that 5k race last week. It was like I was nervous all over again. I think psycologists have a term for that, but I forgot what the exact name was. All I know is that that sensation was real, and I was reeling from  it.., Especially the fact that the bagpipes were playing the same song as the ones in the IMC transition area.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Joel, who is English to the core even though he lives in sort-of Scotland, and who is not always right but this time is spot on, writes Ouch. Listening to pipe practice is excruciating.

Ruth, an apparent Anglophile who I respect highly not least because she did not laugh when she found out that my musical interests tended to the tuba, nevertheless is utterly without merit when she melodramatically interjects… I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving. While bicycling from Heathrow to the Orkneys one year, several times I came across a lone bagpiper just hanging around nowhere and I found their sounds beautiful, transporting, and positively thrilling.  One more evil word from anyone about their sound and I will throw a haggis in your spokes.  (That’s all those little abominations are good for.)

And finally I, who continually searches for the good OOOOM on an instrument utterly opposed to all that bagpipes stand for, am compelled to respond… Truly, Ruth, anyone who can love the sound of bagpipes can love the sound of anything, or, at the very least has suffered serious damage to the auditory nerve, which seems unlikely in your case, given the general illustriousness of musicians to whom you are attached. As an aficianado of fundamental tones profoundly projected, I can only shudder as my flesh crawls and hair stands on end when the thin, reedy, nasal, and tuneless sounds of pipes pierce through preferred silence to rattle the fillings of unsuspecting innocents up to a half a mile away. Please, God, allow me to listen to the screech of banshees at close range, or, even better, allow me to cut off the top of my head with a bandsaw, rather than listen to the sound of multiple pipers in direct and unvictorious competition for one single pitch on which they can all agree. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving.

        Yes pipes are very moving, and are at their best when moving in the opposite direction. The only people who have been able to stand up to pipes have historically been irrate spouses or masked gunman. more evil word from anyone about their sound

        I find it very fitting that you used "evil" and "sound" in the same sentence.         I still maintain that I like well played pipes. I have a nasty feeling I’m just baiting you, Ruth. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving.         Yes pipes are very moving, and are at their best when moving in the opposite direction. The only people who have been able to stand up to pipes have historically been irrate spouses or masked gunman. more evil word from anyone about their sound         I find it very fitting that you used "evil" and "sound" in the same sentence.         I still maintain that I like well played pipes. I have a nasty feeling I’m just baiting you, Ruth. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

Please record this thread as one of the candidates for the Havi Awards for calendar 1998. Thank you, David Schoonmaker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ouch. Listening to pipe practice is excruciating. I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving. While bicycling from Heathrow to the Orkneys one year, several times I came across a lone bagpiper just hanging around nowhere and I found their sounds beautiful, transporting, and positively thrilling.  One more evil word from anyone about their sound and I will throw a haggis in your spokes.  (That’s all those little abominations are good for.) Ruth Kazez

Here! Here! There is no music more inspiring. And no food more…, more…, ummm…., well…, more than haggis. Mike "TriBop" Tennent http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/ WebRunner Running My Model Railroad ‘98 Ironman Canada IronVirgins Site

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Ruth wrote… I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving. While bicycling from Heathrow to the Orkneys one year, several times I came across a lone bagpiper just hanging around nowhere and I found their sounds beautiful, transporting, and positively thrilling.

Have you ever wondered about the origin of the phrase ‘lone piper’. You don’t hear people refer to lone guitarist or piano players, they are called soloists. The point being that usually the lone piper is just that, standing alone on a small hill miles from habitation where they can cause minimum suffering. The piper has usually been forced out by their long suffering spouse. Don’t get me wrong, I find bagpipes as stirring as anyone. But not massed pipers. And not pipers practising (usually badly) the same phrase over and over. But the best thing about the pipes is that the’re not massed Scottish fiddle orchestra, with accordian accompliment One more evil word from anyone about their sound and I will throw a haggis in your spokes.  (That’s all those little abominations are good for.)

Hey, don’t knock haggis – lovely stuff. — Joel Sylvester (English by birth, so may be pipes are not in my genes, lived in Edinburgh for 11 years, which some people would not classify as Scotland anyway, voted Yes,Yes in the referendum) Me: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/ Edinburgh Triathletes: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/edin_tri

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After all, they were classified as a weapon at one point.

        Yes, especially when you shove them down the pipers wind-pipe.         I’m just bitter, a well played bagpipe is a quite inspiring. However, when I was a stupid teenager I spent a summer having my brain mangled by the army cadets. Can you imagine 6 weeks living next to a company of kids, all of whom are learning how to play the pipes? A trully horrible experience. But my father, bless his heart, has forced me to listen to his bagpipe albums and I do conclude… I like well played bagpipes. In moderation please. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Ouch. Listening to pipe practice is excruciating. As a colleague of mine here is fond of saying (and he is an ex-piper, having piped in competition whilst doing his national service), a gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipes, but doesn’t. I’m just bitter, a well played bagpipe is a quite inspiring. However, when I was a stupid teenager I spent a summer having my brain mangled by the army cadets. Can you imagine 6 weeks living next to a company of kids, all of whom are learning how to play the pipes? A trully horrible experience.

— Joel Sylvester Me: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/ Edinburgh Triathletes: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/edin_tri

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Ouch. Listening to pipe practice is excruciating.

I can’t stand this anymore.  You are spoiled, totally.  Bagpipes are wonderful.  I love their sound.  They are extraordinarilly moving. While bicycling from Heathrow to the Orkneys one year, several times I came across a lone bagpiper just hanging around nowhere and I found their sounds beautiful, transporting, and positively thrilling.  One more evil word from anyone about their sound and I will throw a haggis in your spokes.  (That’s all those little abominations are good for.) Ruth Kazez

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I’ll back up Iain – my fastest half-marathon was in Glasgow – with a Piper at every mile marker. Normally I can’t stand the sound, but there is something about them thats quite motivational. After all, they were classified as a weapon at one point. Joel — Joel Sylvester Me: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/ Edinburgh Triathletes: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/edin_tri

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a common response to bagpipes in Scotland – leg it as soon as they start. It’s interesting that your first mile was 20sec faster From your comment you have obviously never experienced the inspirational sound of the bagpipes at any race. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland.

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This is a common response to bagpipes in Scotland – leg it as soon as they start. It’s interesting that your first mile was 20sec faster From your comment you have obviously never experienced the inspirational sound of the bagpipes at any race. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland.

For some reason a number of road races in Jo’burg are infested with kilt wearing people making howling noises. The one that springs to mind is a very hilly 21k that I ran last May. About 3k from the finish it turns up an extremely steep hill known locally as ‘hamstring hill’. As I was shambling up the hill tryng not to let my head explode (and p*ssed off because I’d been misdirected by a marshal) there came the unmistakeable sound of "Scotland the Brave" from somewhere above me. I’m not sure f it made me go faster or slower but my overwhelming feeling was that it was really surreal: running up a hill in the sun in South Africa while someone plays the bagpipes. Wierd. Rob Knell Dept. Zoology, University of the Witwatersrand, Jo’burg.

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About 10 minutes before the start of the race, I hear the sound of bagpipes all of a sudden, playing a very familiar song…I think all of you IMC veterans know about this…the feelings just ran over me like a freight train. The gun went off, and as I started running, the 2 guys with kilts started playing again.

This is a common response to bagpipes in Scotland – leg it as soon as they start. It’s interesting that your first mile was 20sec faster than the last, just think what you could have done if they’d chased you… Seriously though, one day I’ll run a 5:39min mile and I’ll be happy. I wonder if there is a market for tapes of bagpipes closing in on you as a training aid? have fun whatever, dave.

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About 10 minutes before the start of the race, I hear the sound of bagpipes all of a sudden, playing a very familiar song…I think all of you IMC veterans know about this…the feelings just ran over me like a freight train. The gun went off, and as I started running, the 2 guys with kilts started playing again. This is a common response to bagpipes in Scotland – leg it as soon as they start. It’s interesting that your first mile was 20sec faster

From your comment you have obviously never experienced the inspirational sound of the bagpipes at any race. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland.

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I was considering not reporting this race to this newsgroup since it was only a minor race that was decided on a whim several days ago. But there was one part that was, well downright eerie… Several days ago, I decided to do this race because one of the people from my club was the RD for this race. Since this weekend was open, I decided, why not? It fit my training schedule pretty well. The temperature was a cool 45F and a cloudy day, with a mild breeze. The course was a small loop though the town of Denville, NJ. I quickly get my number, and warmed up for 2 miles before toeing the line. About 10 minutes before the start of the race, I hear the sound of bagpipes all of a sudden, playing a very familiar song…I think all of you IMC veterans know about this…the feelings just ran over me like a freight train. The gun went off, and as I started running, the 2 guys with kilts started playing again. I immediately turned my attention toward the run. My strategy was to go all out and hang on at the end. My first mile was about a 5:39. I started to slow a little getting to the halfway point. The slight hills that were on this course were getting to me a little. My second mile…5:50. The last mile was a real struggle. All I wanted to do was finish. My third mile – 6:01. As I stretched on toward the finish, what do I hear again…those bagpipes…playing that same song! With a little extra to go I came in with a total time of 18:09. Not a bad time, but I was reminded why I hated these short races. I never got comfortable with my stride during this race. Give me a longer distance race so I can get comfortable, not these 5k’s. Anyway, with another thread saying what, 21 weeks to IMC? And those bagpipes, could it be an omen? I will need to analyze this the next couple of days. Any psychics around? I need an interpretation…                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Keith congrats on a great finish.  That is a very tough course and heat, humidty, hills and total lack of shade can make it almost unbearable at times. I did that race as my first half-ironman in 1995 and I’m still have night- mares about it!  Good work.

I must say I have never had dreams about triathlons b4, much less nightmares. Having said that, the night after the Challenge I had the typical" trying to go uphill but not being able to move the legs" dream, so I can relate. I may be psychically damaged for life..but I did have two other nice dreams that night, but that’s for another newsgroup…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well we could just say it was hot. we could say it was hot and humid but you know that wouldn’t even be close.  the temps was about 95 and the humidity about the same (you know one of those use the windshield wipers all the way to the race in the dark kind of humid mornings).  No lie the heat index was easy over 110, (i must confess here to my masochistic tendencies cause i actually enjoy this stuff cause its what i train in…) well i was there to finish.  i have been training hard for the great floridian and wanted a tuneup so i figured it was time.  i however did not taper so ip lanned to just cruise and try to enjoy this "half of what crazy me is gonna do in a month". Swim- the swim was a nice 83 degrees and no wetsuits (if ya wanna prize…)  and believe me ya didn’t need one.  absolute glass on a perfect course and it was really quite fun despite the fact that i’m really not much of a swimmer i got out in 32 minutes or so. Bike-  It wasn’t near as bad as i thought it might be.  i did the great floridian last year and had trained on no hills beforehand and the race ate me up (i still have occasional nightmares)  but this year it seemed very easy.  maybe all those trips up to northcarolina did something? wait newsflash-  TRAINING WORKS!!  i actually split about 2:36 for the bike- faster than i did at gulf coast!! Run- i got off the bike and started to run and i had felt pretty good up unto this point but all of the sudden it was really, really hot.  i kept on going mostly because people were dropping all around me ( ok so i’m a sadist too- what do you expect i am a triathlete).  so kept up my 8:20-8:30 shuffle to finish with a 1:50 (at gulf coat i did 1:31) which took a lot out of me by the end.  total time about 5:01.  i think i was top five in the 25-29 age group but i am not sure cause i left right after for an 8 hour drive home (now thats an epic story).  results should be up at cftsommersports.com soon. anyway final reflections did what i wanted to do but  of course i’d have liked to had a little faster run bit floridian will be cooler (i hope..)  the race was just about flawless and the volunteers were stellar!  this organization just does a fantastic job. my hat (dripping wet with ice packed in it)  goes off to the excellent volunteers who make the races in clermont fantastic.  see y’all in another month or so!! officially delurked, Keith Borg p.s. seeing the finish on montrose av (where the ironman finishes and the finish of my first ironman last year) when i got  into town gave me goose bumps- it may not be alii drive but believe me it ain’t nothing less.

Keith congrats on a great finish.  That is a very tough course and heat, humidty, hills and total lack of shade can make it almost unbearable at times. I did that race as my first half-ironman in 1995 and I’m still have night- mares about it!  Good work. Lucy

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well we could just say it was hot. we could say it was hot and humid but you know that wouldn’t even be close.  the temps was about 95 and the humidity about the same (you know one of those use the windshield wipers all the way to the race in the dark kind of humid mornings).  No lie the heat index was easy over 110, (i must confess here to my masochistic tendencies cause i actually enjoy this stuff cause its what i train in…) well i was there to finish.  i have been training hard for the great floridian and wanted a tuneup so i figured it was time.  i however did not taper so ip lanned to just cruise and try to enjoy this "half of what crazy me is gonna do in a month". Swim- the swim was a nice 83 degrees and no wetsuits (if ya wanna prize…)  and believe me ya didn’t need one.  absolute glass on a perfect course and it was really quite fun despite the fact that i’m really not much of a swimmer i got out in 32 minutes or so. Bike-  It wasn’t near as bad as i thought it might be.  i did the great floridian last year and had trained on no hills beforehand and the race ate me up (i still have occasional nightmares)  but this year it seemed very easy.  maybe all those trips up to northcarolina did something? wait newsflash-  TRAINING WORKS!!  i actually split about 2:36 for the bike- faster than i did at gulf coast!! Run- i got off the bike and started to run and i had felt pretty good up unto this point but all of the sudden it was really, really hot.  i kept on going mostly because people were dropping all around me ( ok so i’m a sadist too- what do you expect i am a triathlete).  so kept up my 8:20-8:30 shuffle to finish with a 1:50 (at gulf coat i did 1:31) which took a lot out of me by the end.  total time about 5:01.  i think i was top five in the 25-29 age group but i am not sure cause i left right after for an 8 hour drive home (now thats an epic story).  results should be up at cftsommersports.com soon. anyway final reflections did what i wanted to do but  of course i’d have liked to had a little faster run bit floridian will be cooler (i hope..)  the race was just about flawless and the volunteers were stellar!  this organization just does a fantastic job. my hat (dripping wet with ice packed in it)  goes off to the excellent volunteers who make the races in clermont fantastic.  see y’all in another month or so!! officially delurked, Keith Borg p.s. seeing the finish on montrose av (where the ironman finishes and the finish of my first ironman last year) when i got  into town gave me goose bumps- it may not be alii drive but believe me it ain’t nothing less.

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If anyone knows the classification (the race was today), please hurry up! Thanks to the so kind RSTer’s who will be able to… Bernard=(10+60+10)

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Bernard, Results for the elite and junior races which were held yesterday, September 13,  are available at http://www.trisuisse.ch/gern-def.ht No results from today’s age group race are posted there yet as of 4 PM Pacific daylight time.

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Looks like they’re only going to have the Elites and Juniors on this site. Is there anywhere else out there that’s going to post the results ? The official ITU site: http://www.triathlon.org/cal_event.html has a link to the Duathlon results that eventually takes you back to the trisuisse site ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bernard, Results for the elite and junior races which were held yesterday, September 13,  are available at http://www.trisuisse.ch/gern-def.ht No results from today’s age group race are posted there yet as of 4 PM Pacific daylight time.

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Went out for one final climb on the bike yesterday after work, hauling my cookies up my favorite training route, King’s Mountain Road. I’m in trouble. Frankly, Wildflower is going to kick my ass.  I’m not talking about the spanking the competition is going to give me—that’s a non-issue anyway, I can’t compete at Wildflower.  I’m talking about what that course is going to do to me. Sure, I’ve been climbing regularly in training, but not climbing hard. I’d go out and focus on keeping my heart rate as low as possible while still maintaining forward/upward progress.  Yesterday I decided to just climb as hard as I felt capable of, and it was not a pretty picture. Oooops… But what the hell, it’s just a training race, right?  ;-)   Hey, on a brighter note, my swimming’s going great!  I may not finish the entire race, but I’ll bet I beat my swim time from last year! Woohooo! Getting REAL nervous now…. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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You sound like my wife. Every race she spends way too much time worrying about the result of the race and not enough energy convincing herself that she will really compete(!) Relax now. Concentrate on your form. Believe you will do well. YOU are your competition at this point. Pace yourself, but really…believe that you can COMPETE. Winning is not in the picture. Set a goal and beat it. The next one will be easier. — Of all the things I’ve lost…I miss my mind the most.

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[Typical triathlete hedging before a big race.] We all know you’ll do just fine. Now stop with the negative vibes. Decide that you’ll be fine, and don’t forget to post an epic race report detailing how you overcame your fears and kicked butt. Chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am a female runner. I have been running for about  8 years.   2 years ago I start racing (duathlons as well as road running races). I ran my first marathon in september (3:46). Since that time I am having back problem. I have been told that I have hernia disk causing nerve iritation (sciatica).  It started to feel like an hamstrings problems, turn into my left leg (shouting pain on the side) down to my ankle, when into my right leg as well and now it is getting in my neck. I have seen physios, chiros, doctors, rmt.  I am desesperate…… I love running and I want to be able to race again.  Right now I am all day and night in pain and I can only jog (10k max) every other day. Please somebody help me! Diane.

Diane, I am wondering if the diagnosis that you were given of a hernia disk has been confirmed by radiographs or an MRI.  The reason I ask is that I had similar symptoms that a PT helped me with that seemed to be attributed to a leg lenght discrepancy.  My problems were solved by having a lift added to my orthotic and by adding a pad on my cycling shoes between the cleats and sole on my short side.  Certainly these things would not work if a herniated disk is truly your problem, however, so it’s seems that getting s definitive diagnosis is imperative.  I went through a similar round of doctors, chiropractors, and a podiatrist without being able to get to the bottom of my problem.  The bike tech who did a fit for me first suggested this as a problem based on what he saw when doing the fit.  Ultimately a local PT who is a triathlete helped me solve the problem.   Just my $0.02 worth. Good luck. Lucy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am a female runner. I have been running for about  8 years.   2 years ago I start racing (duathlons as well as road running races). I ran my first marathon in september (3:46). Since that time I am having back problem. I have been told that I have hernia disk causing nerve iritation (sciatica).  It started to feel like an hamstrings problems, turn into my left leg (shouting pain on the side) down to my ankle, when into my right leg as well and now it is getting in my neck. I have seen physios, chiros, doctors, rmt.  I am desesperate…… I love running and I want to be able to race again.  Right now I am all day and night in pain and I can only jog (10k max) every other day. Please somebody help me! Diane. Diane, I am wondering if the diagnosis that you were given of a hernia disk has been confirmed by radiographs or an MRI.  The reason I ask is that I had similar symptoms that a PT helped me with that seemed to be attributed to a leg lenght discrepancy.  My problems were solved by having a lift added to my orthotic and by adding a pad on my cycling shoes between the cleats and sole on my short side.  Certainly these things would not work if a herniated disk is truly your problem, however, so it’s seems that getting s definitive diagnosis is imperative.  I went through a similar round of doctors, chiropractors, and a podiatrist without being able to get to the bottom of my problem.  The bike tech who did a fit for me first suggested this as a problem based on what he saw when doing the fit.  Ultimately a local PT who is a triathlete helped me solve the problem. Just my $0.02 worth. Good luck. Lucy

The only way to tell if you truly have a herniated disk is from a MRI. If you havent had one then it’s not conclusive. PDV

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Hi I am a female runner. I have been running for about  8 years.   2 years ago I start racing (duathlons as well as road running races). I ran my first marathon in september (3:46). Since that time I am having back problem. I have been told that I have hernia disk causing nerve iritation (sciatica).  It started to feel like an hamstrings problems, turn into my left leg (shouting pain on the side) down to my ankle, when into my right leg as well and now it is getting in my neck. I have seen physios, chiros, doctors, rmt.  I am desesperate…… I love running and I want to be able to race again.  Right now I am all day and night in pain and I can only jog (10k max) every other day. Please somebody help me! Diane.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am a female runner. I have been running for about  8 years.   2 years ago I start racing (duathlons as well as road running races). I ran my first marathon in september (3:46). Since that time I am having back problem. I have been told that I have hernia disk causing nerve iritation (sciatica).  It started to feel like an hamstrings problems, turn into my left leg (shouting pain on the side) down to my ankle, when into my right leg as well and now it is getting in my neck. I have seen physios, chiros, doctors, rmt.  I am desesperate…… I love running and I want to be able to race again.  Right now I am all day and night in pain and I can only jog (10k max) every other day. Please somebody help me! Diane.

I doubt that I can be of much help but do want you to know that I sympathize greatly. I have herniated disc in upper vertebrae that forced me into not running at all for a year and when I began to run again had to do very low mileage at very slow pace. It is now a year since I began again and things are going well though I’ve lowered my expectations somewhat. Herniated discs can be very serious and running is, unfortunately, one of the most aggravating things you can do to your spine so be careful and be patient. I am curious about what options your doctors have given you and what their recommendations are…Good luck….

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I don’t do marathons, but a few years ago a type I was in the Iron Man triathlon in Hawaii.  I beleive that he finished, but don’t really remember.  There is a diabetic sports association which had a meeting fairly recently. : Hi.  First post.  I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- : seems like a good place.  Well to the point… : I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and : marathoning.  I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the : fun begins.

There is an article in the IDAA newsletter about a marathoner Type I. He would stash 20 ounce Cokes every 4-5 miles for his twenty mile traing runs which he did on Sundays. Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 169 NNTP-Posting-Host: calanus.ocgy.ubc.ca The International Diabetic Athletes Assoc. (IDAA) will be holding its 1995 North American Meeting at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada on August 10-13. IDAA is a non-profit service organization.  Contrary to the title, it is not just for athletes, members are of all ages and all levels of physical fitness.  The Association includes both "Type I" and "Type II" individuals as well as medical and health care professionals who are interested in the relationship between exercise and diabetes.  The philosophy of the IDAA is that exercise can be of benefit to any person with diabetes. The objectives of the program – for the person with diabetes – include "how to plan for exercise and provide energy (fuel) for exercising" and "diet strategies for exercise and training".  There will also be a series of workshops on different types of exercises, given by experts who have diabetes. The objectives of the program – for the physician and health-care professional – include "benefits and problems of exercise for the person with diabetes", "benefits and problems of competitive sports for young persons with IDDM" and "advising the person with diabetes about exercise and competition".   a registration package, contact the IDAA95 Conference Secretariat at the UBC Conference Centre – 5961 Student Union Blvd., Vancouver, B.C., Canada   V6T 2C9.  Phone: 604-822-1050; FAX: 604-822-1069.

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I don’t do marathons, but a few years ago a type I was in the Iron Man triathlon in Hawaii.  I beleive that he finished, but don’t really remember.  There is a diabetic sports association which had a meeting fairly recently.

: Hi.  First post.  I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- : seems like a good place.  Well to the point… : I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and : marathoning.  I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the : fun begins. <snip

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was diagnosed a year ago February and so far, no complications. The farthest I’ve run post-diag is ten miles.  When I’m careful, blood sugars are normal.   Any information re: this or any distance running and type 1 information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.   David PS- Anybody else out there running with type 1?

There are a number of us.  There is a tremendous variability in the ways runners deal with their insulin and training.  I have talked to other runners here with similar objective situations who do things that would put me in the hospital, and visa versa. All of the marathoners I have talked to are pumpers.  It is one of the situations where the instant adjustability of basal rates is nice. In my case, I think a half marathon is probably my limit on multiple injections.   Be prepared for decreases in your total daily insulin requirement as you train up.  Two months of 30 miles/week will cut mine in about half. Learn as much as you can about the normal reaction of the pancreas and the counterregulatory hormones to exercise.  Learn as much as you can about the diabetic’s reaction to exercise.  Only by understanding what is going on can you be effective in designing changes in your insulin routine to take care of strenuous exercise of several hours duration. Charles Coughran

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Hi.  First post.  I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- seems like a good place.  Well to the point… I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and marathoning.  I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the fun begins. I have one marathon under my belt, but that was ‘93 and pre-diagnosis.  I was diagnosed a year ago February and so far, no complications. The farthest I’ve run post-diag is ten miles.  When I’m careful, blood sugars are normal.   Any information re: this or any distance running and type 1 information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.   David PS- Anybody else out there running with type 1?

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