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Hello, Endless Pools has given me an advertising budget and I am inquiring what sites everyone is visiting. Let me know and don’t forget to enter to win your FREE Endless Pool. Just email me your mailing info and phone # and I’ll add you to the list. thanks in advance for your help. Steven Harad Endless Pools Inc. http://www.endlesspools.com 1.800.732.8660  Ext. 26

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www.recsporttriathlon.com Naturally ;-) — Phil Squire www.recsporttriathlon.com The Online Home of RST – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Endless Pools has given me an advertising budget and I am inquiring what sites everyone is visiting. Let me know and don’t forget to enter to win your FREE Endless Pool. Just email me your mailing info and phone # and I’ll add you to the list. thanks in advance for your help. Steven Harad Endless Pools Inc. http://www.endlesspools.com 1.800.732.8660  Ext. 26

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http://www.Triathlete.com naturally =) I also visit (nearly 7 days a week) http://www.TriathlonLive.com

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http://www.Triathlete.com naturally =) I also visit (nearly 7 days a week) http://www.TriathlonLive.com

www.slowtwitch.com www.insidetriathlon.com

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usatriathlon.org Tom Ziebart – Sport Development – USA Triathlon National Training Center

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www.trinewbies.com www.gordoworld.com www.slowtwitch.com www.ironmanlive.com www.missionbaytriclub.com (hey, I’m the webmaster, what can I say? :-) Craig Preston

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http://www.dschreiner.freeservers.com/index.html A tribute to middle of the packers! — http://dschreiner.freeservers.com/

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Steve – I like www.xtri.com BTW, your e-mail reply address boomeranged on that message you sent me.  You might want to look into it. Cheers, gordo

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The specifications for bicycles are aimed towards standard frames – I don’t think recumbents will pass.  The front to center (chain ring axle to front axle) distance probably rules them out.  But I’ve never taken a tape measure to a recumbent. See USAT rule 5.11 and 5.12. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never seen this question before.  Can you ride a recumbent in a triathlon?  If you can’t, why? Thanks John Zarling

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unmitigated audacity to write: I have never seen this question before.  Can you ride a recumbent in a triathlon?  If you can’t, why?

        Good question. I don’t remember any regulations about it but what would you do when you reach a steep hill? With a road or tri bike, you just come out of the saddle and crank.         Ken K. Chairman, Department of Redundancy Department

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I think I remember reading in the USAT rule book, where it says that recumbents are not allowed. I guess as long as it is not a USAT sanctioned race, it is up to the director.  I would call the director before showing up with your bike at a race. BTW, recumbents can climb hills. Fellow weekend recumbent rider, Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never seen this question before.  Can you ride a recumbent in a triathlon?  If you can’t, why? Thanks John Zarling

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I have never seen this question before.  Can you ride a recumbent in a triathlon?  If you can’t, why? Thanks John Zarling

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Drafting at Salisbury

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[snipped, because I want to ask a question] Anders, clear it up for us. Was Salisbury USAT sanctioned? I can’t find my info sheet–I must have left it with my now-missing clear goggles. Rick "Which lets you know how much swimming I’ve done since then" Denney

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Eric, if you raced in good faith, then don’t convict yourself of cheating on a sketchy impression.   *snip* If no official found a reason to DQ you, and you know in your heart that you made every effort to follow the rules, then quit worrying and be happy. Excellent advice.  I actually admitted in a note I wrote to the Wildflower race director this week that I crossed the centerline in a situation as stated above.  If he chooses to DQ me and remove me from the official results, I respect that.  It will in no way detract from the satisfaction I received in my Wildflower PR, though.

For the record, I sent an E-mail confession to Terry Davis, irt my recollection of crossing the center line, noting it was a rule violation.  So it’s no longer weighing on my mind.  Should I have mentioned that I prefer the gallows to the guillotine? Owning up to this will help make me more conscious of all the bike rules next time.  And I want to feel that *I’m* not part of the problem that I was frustrated with. Is it effectively too late to correct results once the officials have gone home and can’t make the call? Just hope I can get my official splits, DQ or not…

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Thanks Darrin, I would extrapolate that FOP could mean Front of Pack; a Utopia that I have yet to visit. Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please excuse my ignorance, what are MOP and BOP? Middle of Pack Back of Pack — Tri Your Hardest.   /O     ___o     o  ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)    / Darrin Bartlett 15 weeks to the inaugural Ironman USA!

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For the record, I sent an E-mail confession to Terry Davis, irt my recollection of crossing the center line, noting it was a rule violation.  So it’s no longer weighing on my mind.  Should I have mentioned that I prefer the gallows to the guillotine? Owning up to this will help make me more conscious of all the bike rules next time.  And I want to feel that *I’m* not part of the problem that I was frustrated with.

From your description, it was caused, in spite of your best efforts at compliance, by people completely ignoring the rules.  As anyone here can attest, I’m probably one of the most judgemental SOB’s here, and I just can’t make the stretch to see how this even marginally makes you part of the problem.  Your sense of integrity is admirable (ever think of a career in politics?) but there comes a point at which one has to be content with knowing they did their best.  Just how common is this level of angst over these issues?

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In article If you completed your passes within 15 seconds, then you were fine. The fellows that blocked me had taken up residence in the left half of the lane and were planting a garden.

Tee hee hee hee hee….  Thank you for that dead-on and very comical visual, Rev. Denney.  Well done!  Planting a garden.  Ha!   :)  :)  :)  :D What never ceases to amaze me is the egotism of people on steep descents who are coasting down sitting up, happily installed on the left side of the lane, utterly oblivious to the possibility that someone else might possibly be going down that hill faster than they are.  I nearly killed a guy at WF this year on the descent after the Nasty Grade(tm).  Oh, only hit 52mph this year rather than 54, darn it.  I think there was a tailwind in ‘98. Heh. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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*snip* Forget the rules. I just wish people would be a bit thoughtful about how their riding is affecting others.

And THIS, my friends, is the real issue.  Anyone with a brain in his head who bothered to take 2 seconds to think about this would instantly realize that riding anywhere but on the far right is a) rude and b) dangerous. Forget "against the rules." Clearly, there are a lot of folks out there who either have no brains or have never bothered to take those 2 seconds to think. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip He looked surprised. "Oh!" That was at least a better response than an obscene gesture, which by that time I expected, and I have hope that he will be a more aware triathlete next time around. Forget the rules. I just wish people would be a bit thoughtful about how their riding is affecting others. The culprit, of course,  <snip I had the quite different experience of moving back through a large pack at the Wildflower Olympic distance race, with about 1700 bikes on course, and the AG waves having set out at 2 minute intervals- there were just so many bikes, and such greatly varying speeds.  Inevitably as I would try to pass someone, within the rules, there would be calls of "on your left" from much faster riders.      Was I blocking? Literally, I was, though certainly not intentionally. Was I within the rules?      I did not stay in the no-no zone for 15 seconds.

If you completed your passes within 15 seconds, then you were fine. The fellows that blocked me had taken up residence in the left half of the lane and were planting a garden. But then there were times when there was no where to go.  Bikes thick ahead, to each side, bikes behind.  I found myself several times well on the edge of the shoulder trying to stay out of someone’s draft, trying to comply at least in spirit.

I hope officials do not look for ways to penalize people who are clearly trying to stay within the rules. Certainly the ones that hand around here don’t. Rick "Willful violation, even when caused by willful ignorance, is obvious" Denney

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Please excuse my ignorance, what are MOP and BOP?

Middle of Pack Back of Pack — Tri Your Hardest.   /O     ___o     o      ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)    /           Darrin Bartlett 15 weeks to the inaugural Ironman USA!

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Very well written. anders Salisbury, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – there is no easy answer.  Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying drafting should be allowed, or faulting the officials or rules, just pointing out that there is an inherent paradox that may never be solved in creating a perfect enforcement method. Exactly.  And for those of us in the MOP or BOP, probably the best thing to do is just learn to deal with the frustrations equably, and do our best to race clean, fair, and with personal integrity.  Forget what everybody else may or may not be doing, just do your best to stay true to your own convictions in your own race.  After all, for most of us MOP & BOP, it’s all about personal achievement anyway, not about placing or hardware or IMH slots. On the other hand, for the fast, competitive folks there are huge concerns.  Other people’s ignorance or inconsideration on the bike course can create enormous obstacles to reaching one’s goals.  As a 30-34 woman starting in something like the 11th wave at Wildflower, I know that, *if* I were really competitive and gunning for a placing or a slot, plowing my way through the hordes of clueless males in the preceding waves out on the bike course would be enormously frustrating, to say the least.  As it was, I found myself either passing on the right or crossing the centerline at least a few times when clueless individuals riding close to the centerline failed or refused to heed my hollers of "On yer left!". Basically, there are a lot of thoughtless, ignorant people out there, and there ain’t a heck of a lot you can do about that.  It’s a fact of life, and the sooner we learn to accept it, the lower our blood pressure will remain.  I do empathize with the competitive folks, though.  And I do think that race directors would do well to STRONGLY EMPHASIZE blocking and position fouls in pre-race literature, since this is the most common rule violation I’m aware of.         Eric, if you raced in good faith, then don’t convict yourself of cheating on a sketchy impression.   *snip* If no official found a reason to DQ you, and you know in your heart that you made every effort to follow the rules, then quit worrying and be happy. Excellent advice.  I actually admitted in a note I wrote to the Wildflower race director this week that I crossed the centerline in a situation as stated above.  If he chooses to DQ me and remove me from the official results, I respect that.  It will in no way detract from the satisfaction I received in my Wildflower PR, though. Good racing, everyone! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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What never ceases to amaze me is the egotism of people on steep descents who are coasting down sitting up, happily installed on the left side of the lane, utterly oblivious to the possibility that someone else might possibly be going down that hill faster than they are.

It’s a long standing problem – same syndrome that causes people to cruise in the passing lane on the freeway.  Maybe the solution is a little "triathlon road rage." <g

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Please excuse my ignorance, what are MOP and BOP? Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly.  And for those of us in the MOP or BOP, probably the best

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there is no easy answer.  Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying drafting should be allowed, or faulting the officials or rules, just pointing out that there is an inherent paradox that may never be solved in creating a perfect enforcement method.  

Exactly.  And for those of us in the MOP or BOP, probably the best thing to do is just learn to deal with the frustrations equably, and do our best to race clean, fair, and with personal integrity.  Forget what everybody else may or may not be doing, just do your best to stay true to your own convictions in your own race.  After all, for most of us MOP & BOP, it’s all about personal achievement anyway, not about placing or hardware or IMH slots. On the other hand, for the fast, competitive folks there are huge concerns.  Other people’s ignorance or inconsideration on the bike course can create enormous obstacles to reaching one’s goals.  As a 30-34 woman starting in something like the 11th wave at Wildflower, I know that, *if* I were really competitive and gunning for a placing or a slot, plowing my way through the hordes of clueless males in the preceding waves out on the bike course would be enormously frustrating, to say the least.  As it was, I found myself either passing on the right or crossing the centerline at least a few times when clueless individuals riding close to the centerline failed or refused to heed my hollers of "On yer left!". Basically, there are a lot of thoughtless, ignorant people out there, and there ain’t a heck of a lot you can do about that.  It’s a fact of life, and the sooner we learn to accept it, the lower our blood pressure will remain.  I do empathize with the competitive folks, though.  And I do think that race directors would do well to STRONGLY EMPHASIZE blocking and position fouls in pre-race literature, since this is the most common rule violation I’m aware of.         Eric, if you raced in good faith, then don’t convict yourself of cheating on a sketchy impression.   *snip* If no official found a reason to DQ you, and you know in your heart that you made every effort to follow the rules, then quit worrying and be happy.  

Excellent advice.  I actually admitted in a note I wrote to the Wildflower race director this week that I crossed the centerline in a situation as stated above.  If he chooses to DQ me and remove me from the official results, I respect that.  It will in no way detract from the satisfaction I received in my Wildflower PR, though. Good racing, everyone! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Rick, the Salisbury race wasn’t a USAT sanctioned race, so I don’t know how you want to retool your argument about the one day license being the culprit, but you may need to rethink it. It still applies, just not to this particular race.

It wasn’t? I remember putting my USAT number down on the application form, and I remember the information sheet talking about USAT rules and one-day licenses. I also remember hurrying my USAT renewal in so that I would not be in arrears for the race. I’ll check when I get back to town. Rick "Haven’t received a Reston info sheet yet so I can’t be confusing it with that race" Denney

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Okay, now that I’ve gotten everyone’s attention, I must say that the only drafting I saw was the result of ignorance. Many of the backmarkers (faster than me in the swim, or in previous waves, but much slower than me on the bike) that I passed were committing position violations, though many of them weren’t really going fast enough for their violation to give them any advantage. I saw nothing of drafting among the leaders who were coming the other way on the out-and-back course. In one case, three riders were too close. As I passed the third, I said, "By the way, you are in *his* draft" and pointed to the second rider. When I passed the second rider, I said "And you are in *her* draft," and pointed to the first rider. The first rider smiled to herself–she was obviously tired of having her wheel sucked. The other riders obviously did not even know what being in someone else’s draft meant, but they backed off anyway. But, as usual, blocking was the biggest problem. This is the problem most noted by better riders. On one occasion, I had to hang back for almost long enough for me to lose to Jason in the race, because of two riders on the left of a series of slower riders. There was plenty of room for them to pull back into the line at the right, but they were unaware that someone behind might want to go faster than they. The certainly didn’t understand the rule about passing within 15 seconds. I called out "Passing left!" and got no response. I tried again, "Gentlemen, I’m coming around on the left, please make way!" I always try to be a little polite, at least at first. No response. Finally, I yelled "Either pass them and pull over or slow down and pull over, but get out of the way!" The two guys moved over, and, as I passed, one guy said "Why didn’t you just pass us over there (pointing to the opposing travel lane) instead of yelling?" My response, "Because crossing the centerline can get me disqualified, just like blocking can get you a penalty." He looked surprised. "Oh!" That was at least a better response than an obscene gesture, which by that time I expected, and I have hope that he will be a more aware triathlete next time around. Forget the rules. I just wish people would be a bit thoughtful about how their riding is affecting others. The culprit, of course, is one-day membership in USAT. They pay their five bucks, but they don’t get any of the goodies, including the rule book. A large number of one-day members, it seems to me, makes a synopsis of the rules, including a detailed description of the commonly violated rules, a necessary packet inclusion. But I’m probably unrealistically optimistic that anyone would read even that. And a long discussion of the matter during a race meeting held while we were all dying of hypothermia at water’s edge would have been unthinkable. Rick "I won’t mention the couple of guys that were drafting the school bus–I passed them and the bus, without crossing the yellow line, taking more than 15 seconds, or getting killed" Denney

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – faster riders.  Was I blocking? Literally, I was, though certainly not intentionally. Was I within the rules?  I did not stay in the no-no zone for 15 seconds… But then there were times when there was no where to go.  Bikes thick ahead, to each side, bikes behind.  I found myself several times well on the edge of the shoulder trying to stay out of someone’s draft, trying to comply at least in spirit…. I recall remarking to a collegiate, well-equiped (bike!) gal, as we passed each other, and other bikes, and as we were simlutaneously passed, how it was awfully hard to maintain a fair position.  She did not seem to comprehend what I meant. these folks a different case from those of us who know the rules and either slip up in the heat of battle or deliberately violate them… But I believe for many folks, at least in certain races, these rules seem like technicalities, they are not racing for hardware, or getting a better bike split than triahtlete x, or even going for a PR; they are doing the race because it is a challenging endeavor, the scale of which may not be diminished much by ocassionally passing through someone’s draft… As for me, I believe in a miscalculated hasteful moment as I was trying to get around some other riders at a high donwhill speed, I may have crossed the yellow line – I vaguely recall it registering in my mind at the time ("Oh shit").  Should I notify the officials so they can DQ me?  I’m BOP and the results I really want out of the experience are some splits to give me metrics on my fitness.  Seems a shame to have the results only show DQ, though I certainly understand that the guy behind me in the standings might deserve to be bumped up from 75th in AG to 74th…. Oh, Jeez, I’ve got to tell them to DQ me, don’t I?  Wonder if I could somehow get my splits first…

        Herein lies what I think is the main quandary of the drafting controversy.  The danger of high speed packs, and the insidious nature of collusion are problems most people readily acknowlege.  Yet, to prevent these problems, while at the same time maintaining an objective and consistent standard of rules and enforcement, creates situations like this, where a conscientious, honest competitor is losing sleep over whether he inadvertantly might have broken a rule.  He "VAGUELY BELIEVES he MAY have miscalculated" and he’s agonizing over whether to DQ himself.  It reminds me of a fellow Catholic friend when I was young, who having had Jello on a Friday in Lent, spent the entire evening worrying himself sick when I informed him Jello was made from beef marrow (it no longer is.)         I always knew drafting was illegal, and never tried to do it.  I knew what drafting was in the sense that I could tell you if I was drafting or being drafted, but had never thought about a quantitative definition.  It wasn’t until about my fourth race that I actually saw a printed definition of the drafting rules, with all the distances and passing time limits.  The bike stage was pure hell, with planning every approach and pass like it was a military exercise, every time I pulled out too pass, going "one-one thousand, two-one thousand…"  I had absolutely no fun and had the slowest average speed I have ever had on the bike.           There really is no perfect way to enforce drafting rules.  On one end of the spectrum, you could tell your officials to DQ anyone they see creating a safety hazard or knowingly hampering fair competition, but then it becomes very subjective, and since the officials are human, their judgement will be constantly challenged.  On the other end, you can mandate imaginary boxes around bikes, and an imaginary passing clock, and so on, and have people work themselves into a lather fretting over the proper reading of the past pluperfect subjunctive form of the verb "to draft."  Maybe we need a laser device attached to every bike that projects a box around it on the road surface, and tell people that whenever two boxes intersect, the bike to the rear is in violation.         All the different posts about this, on both sides of every sub-issue, show that there is no easy answer.  Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying drafting should be allowed, or faulting the officials or rules, just pointing out that there is an inherent paradox that may never be solved in creating a perfect enforcement method.   There has to be some accommodation of people who race in good faith without giving a cheater a loophole to exploit.  The federal government has written a tax code a bajillion pages long, and they STILL haven’t achieved that.  The best we can hope to do is continually improve it.         Eric, if you raced in good faith, then don’t convict yourself of cheating on a sketchy impression.  In this country, the law considers us innocent until proven guilty.  You should not be any harsher on yourself than that.  If no official found a reason to DQ you, and you know in your heart that you made every effort to follow the rules, then quit worrying and be happy.  When I drive home tonight, I’m not going to think "Oh jeez, did I may have forgotten to signal that turn two miles ago; I have to go to the police station and ask for a ticket."

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Rick, the Salisbury race wasn’t a USAT sanctioned race, so I don’t know how you want to retool your argument about the one day license being the culprit, but you may need to rethink it. It still applies, just not to this particular race. I have to be honest. I was drafting the school bus. I was for about a hundred yards until I came to the "hill" and it pulled away from me. But that bus was moving quickly when I passed it and I could never have passed it as you did. I was really only drafting it because it was the only way to get around the crowd you were referring to. I come out of the water in a way slower spot than my bike riding allows so I get the opportunity to be constantly passing riders. I was passed by 5 cyclists. I’m convinced that 2 of them were working together, because they were moving very fast and they were within a bike length of each other. The coincidence would be just a bit too remarkable. The thing that really bites me is that one of them had on a yellow Prospeed jersey (my "team") I didn’t recognize the guy. Mike "School bus" Schwing

t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Okay, now that I’ve gotten everyone’s attention, I must say that the only drafting I saw was the result of ignorance. Many of the backmarkers (faster than me in the swim, or in previous waves, but much slower than me on the bike) that I passed were committing position violations, though many of them weren’t really going fast enough for their violation to give them any advantage. I saw nothing of drafting among the leaders who were coming the other way on the out-and-back course. In one case, three riders were too close. As I passed the third, I said, "By the way, you are in *his* draft" and pointed to the second rider. When I passed the second rider, I said "And you are in *her* draft," and pointed to the first rider. The first rider smiled to herself–she was obviously tired of having her wheel sucked. The other riders obviously did not even know what being in someone else’s draft meant, but they backed off anyway. But, as usual, blocking was the biggest problem. This is the problem most noted by better riders. On one occasion, I had to hang back for almost long enough for me to lose to Jason in the race, because of two riders on the left of a series of slower riders. There was plenty of room for them to pull back into the line at the right, but they were unaware that someone behind might want to go faster than they. The certainly didn’t understand the rule about passing within 15 seconds. I called out "Passing left!" and got no response. I tried again, "Gentlemen, I’m coming around on the left, please make way!" I always try to be a little polite, at least at first. No response. Finally, I yelled "Either pass them and pull over or slow down and pull over, but get out of the way!" The two guys moved over, and, as I passed, one guy said "Why didn’t you just pass us over there (pointing to the opposing travel lane) instead of yelling?" My response, "Because crossing the centerline can get me disqualified, just like blocking can get you a penalty." He looked surprised. "Oh!" That was at least a better response than an obscene gesture, which by that time I expected, and I have hope that he will be a more aware triathlete next time around. Forget the rules. I just wish people would be a bit thoughtful about how their riding is affecting others. The culprit, of course, is one-day membership in USAT. They pay their five bucks, but they don’t get any of the goodies, including the rule book. A large number of one-day members, it seems to me, makes a synopsis of the rules, including a detailed description of the commonly violated rules, a necessary packet inclusion. But I’m probably unrealistically optimistic that anyone would read even that. And a long discussion of the matter during a race meeting held while we were all dying of hypothermia at water’s edge would have been unthinkable. Rick "I won’t mention the couple of guys that were drafting the school bus–I passed them and the bus, without crossing the yellow line, taking more than 15 seconds, or getting killed" Denney

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<snip He looked surprised. "Oh!" That was at least a better response than an obscene gesture, which by that time I expected, and I have hope that he will be a more aware triathlete next time around. Forget the rules. I just wish people would be a bit thoughtful about how their riding is affecting others. The culprit, of course,  <snip

I had the quite different experience of moving back through a large pack at the Wildflower Olympic distance race, with about 1700 bikes on course, and the AG waves having set out at 2 minute intervals- there were just so many bikes, and such greatly varying speeds.  Inevitably as I would try to pass someone, within the rules, there would be calls of "on your left" from much faster riders.  Was I blocking? Literally, I was, though certainly not intentionally. Was I within the rules?  I did not stay in the no-no zone for 15 seconds. But then there were times when there was no where to go.  Bikes thick ahead, to each side, bikes behind.  I found myself several times well on the edge of the shoulder trying to stay out of someone’s draft, trying to comply at least in spirit. I recall remarking to a collegiate, well-equiped (bike!) gal, as we passed each other, and other bikes, and as we were simlutaneously passed, how it was awfully hard to maintain a fair position.  She did not seem to comprehend what I meant. And I’ll bet that a vast number of the riders had a similar lack of understanding of the rules on bike position – just kind of unindoctrinated – these folks a different case from those of us who know the rules and either slip up in the heat of battle or deliberately violate them. But I believe for many folks, at least in certain races, these rules seem like technicalities, they are not racing for hardware, or getting a better bike split than triahtlete x, or even going for a PR; they are doing the race because it is a challenging endeavor, the scale of which may not be diminished much by ocassionally passing through someone’s draft. As for me, I believe in a miscalculated hasteful moment as I was trying to get around some other riders at a high donwhill speed, I may have crossed the yellow line – I vaguely recall it registering in my mind at the time ("Oh shit").  Should I notify the officials so they can DQ me?  I’m BOP and the results I really want out of the experience are some splits to give me metrics on my fitness.  Seems a shame to have the results only show DQ, though I certainly understand that the guy behind me in the standings might deserve to be bumped up from 75th in AG to 74th. Oh, Jeez, I’ve got to tell them to DQ me, don’t I?  Wonder if I could somehow get my splits first… — Eric Pederson "You mean there’s a difference between ‘long, slow distance’ and  ’race pace’?"

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Swim » DC-area open water swimming

DC-area open water swimming

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Looking forward a few months to the need to do some open-water swimming (up to 1/2 mile) before my first triathlon, where in DC/MD/VA may one safely and legally do so?

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: Looking forward a few months to the need to do some open-water swimming (up : to 1/2 mile) before my first triathlon, where in DC/MD/VA may one safely and : legally do so? That depends on how safely and how legally you’re looking for.  ;-)  A group of us DON’T get together to NOT swim on weekends starting as soon as it gets warm enough… — "Sir, the girl’s here with the pizza"  Betty Currie to President Clinton Jason Mayfield Arlington, VA

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Bike » Indoor Triathlon: Bike leg is not cycling!

Indoor Triathlon: Bike leg is not cycling!

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Jensen) writes: Russell, You must be referring to a specific brand(s) of stationary bikes – I’m guessing Cybex, since that was the last brand used by the indoor series around Chicago.  Not all stationary bikes are this biased.  The Windracer is one I can think of that seems to be most fair and most consistant between bikes (vs Cybex, where on one bike I could pedal at 30mph and another only 22mph at the same effort).

Does it compensate for weight and frontal area — two key elements of cycling performance outdoors? JT

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Indoor triathlons suffer greatly because the bike leg is ridiculous. The riders have 20 minutes to go as far as possible.  The problem is that the device (some call it a stationary bike)  has a maximum velocity that is determined by power input.  The way to achieve the most distance is to pedal at 60 rpm in the highest setting.  This makes it look like a stair stepper event.  Light people, particularly female competitors suffer greatly here.  I’ve seen 250 lbs. overweight men ride farther than my wife 110 lbs. during these races.  If we placed them outside on their own bicycles my wife would demolish them.

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Russell, You must be referring to a specific brand(s) of stationary bikes – I’m guessing Cybex, since that was the last brand used by the indoor series around Chicago.  Not all stationary bikes are this biased.  The Windracer is one I can think of that seems to be most fair and most consistant between bikes (vs Cybex, where on one bike I could pedal at 30mph and another only 22mph at the same effort). Of course, Lauren and I have both been outridden indoors by plenty of people we normally would outride outdoors … it’s different, especially with the rest between the swim and bike and the short duration compared to outdoor races.   I never tried to gauge my cycling fitness too much on stationary bikes unless I use the same one day after day. Todd Jensen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Indoor triathlons suffer greatly because the bike leg is ridiculous. The riders have 20 minutes to go as far as possible.  The problem is that the device (some call it a stationary bike)  has a maximum velocity that is determined by power input.  The way to achieve the most distance is to pedal at 60 rpm in the highest setting.  This makes it look like a stair stepper event.  Light people, particularly female competitors suffer greatly here.  I’ve seen 250 lbs. overweight men ride farther than my wife 110 lbs. during these races.  If we placed them outside on their own bicycles my wife would demolish them.

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Training » Gulf Coast Tri

Gulf Coast Tri

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I’m new to triathlon’s. I did two sprints this summer, and am looking forward to the season when it starts again. I’m starting to plan my races now. I would like to attempt a 1/2IM. I live in Louisiana and the Gulf Coast Tri sounds good. My question is: What is the water temp like in May? Do I or would I require a wet suit that time of year? I would like

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My question is: What is the water temp like in May? Do I or would I require a wet suit that time of year?

Water usually in the mid 70’s, pretty comfortable without the wetsuit. Of course, if you do have a wetsuit, put it on anyway. Those waves can knock even the heartiest of swimmers over. :-)                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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What is the water temp like in May? Do I or would I require a wet suit that time of year?

For the past four years it has been between 74 and 77 degrees.  Quite warm.  However, it has been as cold as 68, in the past ten years that i have been invcolved with the race. -Charlie Crawford

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For the past four years it has been between 74 and 77 degrees.  Quite warm.

I looked on the website for the triathlon and saw where wetsuits may be required.  Does anyone know if it’s possible to rent a wetsuit?   After watching IMH yesterday I’ve decided I’d like to attempt the Gulf Coast Tri in 2000.  I’d really prefer to not have to buy a wetsuit for this one event. Also, any training tips would be appreciated, especially from folks who have already completed the Gulf Coast Tri. Take Care, Zack Jones

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » Any1 being coached by Rick Niles?

Any1 being coached by Rick Niles?

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I hope I’m not the last person to notice this… The Ironman Hawaii 1999 Lottery application (and Passport club app.) are online at http://www.ironmantri.com/lottery.html Good luck everyone.  Neal.

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If so ….what do you think of his plan and are you showing any improvement.                                                           G.Cook

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If so ….what do you think of his plan and are you showing any improvement.                                                          G.Cook

I worked with Rick Niles for most of the past year. I was very happy with the workouts and the input I received. There is no question that his program was a key reason I had strong season. He emphasizes quality over quantity – structure rather than doing the workout that feels good that day. He will tell you exactly what to do each day. The upside is that the workouts will definately help you improve and motivate you to work hard. The downside is that the workouts are rather structured. It makes it harder to do workouts with your friends. I found I did best when I stayed as close to the prescribed program as possible. The structure will help you to improve your performance without working too hard or long and getting injured. Unfortunately, my new job has me traveling so much that my tri training has taken a back seat to work and travel. I will try to use his software to help me schedule workouts that fit better with my business schedule. If you are looking for help to get the most of your training time, Rick can help you out. The price is very reasonable, a good value in my opinion. YMMV. — Stewart Cox

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writes: If so ….what do you think of his plan and are you showing any improvement.                                                          G.Cook

A triathlete friend of mine was, but she had a serious skiing accident and got a new job and decided to concentrate more on running before she got a real sense of the efficacy of his approach.  She seemed very positive about his advice while she was working with him. JT

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If so ….what do you think of his plan and are you showing any improvement.

I’ve been working with Rick, either via his book, "Time-Saving Training for Multisport Athletes," or directly with him as a "cyber coach" for almost a year now. Previously, I was at a very time- and energy-consuming job that made me want to seek out a program like Rick’s that doesn’t demand endless hours of LSD. Well, I bought the book and used his workouts to guide my training for many months with good results. I then decided it would be nice to have him suggest more specific workouts in terms of effort and distance. So far, (I’m on week no. 15 now) so good. Rick works according to a threshold-based system. With his program, you (almost) never just go out and run for 45 minutes "easy" or "hard." Instead, you might take the first 10:00 easy for a warm-up, and then do various fartlet-like pickups or tempo bursts for the next 25 minutes, then go back down to easy effort for the last 10 min. Same with cycling: lots of pyramid-type workouts, which are great for someone like me who uses the stationary trainer a whole lot. Effort and speed are formulated based on heart rate and perceived effort. Your HR is broken into four zones based on measured max. HR and speeds at certain efforts. Going into the program I hadn’t been running well. Since following Rick’s program my running’s really come up to speed and my cycling output has increased measurably. Swimming is about the same, but that’s my fault :-( One aspect in which Rick differs a lot from other programs is in periodization. He doesn’t do much in the way of seasonal periodization, such as concentrating on LSD base-building during the off-season and such. Since we’re constantly working on aerobic threshold the speed and effort bursts are always there, but long runs and/rides are added in preparation for longer events. Rick also likes to rotate sport focus, so for example a bike focus would have five bike workouts in a week, with two maintenance workouts in the other two sports for a total of nine workouts in one week. Write me directly if you have any questions. Best, David in Taipei, Taiwan

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After I qualified for IMC 98 at the St. Croix Triathlon, I needed help fast to get ready for my first Ironman.  I talked to several of my friends who had coaches and after talking to Rick I decided that his approach would work for me.  He didn’t pull any punches but told me that it would be tough to get ready but he thought I could do it.  I stuck very close to his prescribed workouts and talked to him every week to recalibrate how it was going.  I have had a very positive experience with Rick and would highly recommend him to anybody.  I had what I considered a great IMC (I finished, didn’t need medical attention, and ended up coming in ahead of about half of the guys in my age group).  I have kept working with Rick since and I had my best two finishes at Pacific Grove and Sentinel after IMC.  I have taken between 2 and 5 minutes off of every race I have done, compared to the same race last year,since I signed up with him.  I am working out a little more on a weekly basis, but I’m working out much smarter following his schedule. I also find that I am really enjoying the variety he puts into the workouts. He has been great for me and has re-energized my training after 12 years of doing triathlons and working out on my own.  I love the new approach.

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Bike » Best bike shoes for tri

Best bike shoes for tri

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations. The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites? Thanks in advance, Melinda

I have a pair of Sidi Triathlon shoes and I like them alot.  They are high quality, lightweight, and easy to get into.  They are also a little more expensive than $100 though. My wife has a pair of Shimano road shoes that she races in and really likes. I am sorry but I don’t recall exactly what they are called.   They have one strap which weaves back and forth over the shoe for a snug fit. There is also only one strap to tighten.  My wife also said that they are very easy to get into.  Best of all I think they only cost something like $80. Good luck

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It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations.   The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites?   Thanks in advance, Melinda

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I bought a pair of SIDI T-1 Tri shoes (97 model) from Steve’s about a month ago. Looks like he still has them on special. They were $130 but worth every penny.  They are unbelievably light!  They’re also very easy to get in and out of, and the velcro straps open out.  My old shoes had the straps opening in and developed an attraction for my chain as I pedaled into T2. It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations. The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites? Thanks in advance, Melinda

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » Canadian Ironman Info?

Canadian Ironman Info?

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The phone numbers are:  604-490-8787 Voice  604-490-9788 FAX And you’d better hurry, they have a 1,200 participant limit for the August 27th event…at last I heard, it is nearly full. See you there… AJ Calabrese

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I want to do the Candian Ironman this year but don’t have an entry form. Does any body know the number to call?

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I want to do the Candian Ironman this year but don’t have an entry form. Does any body know the number to call?

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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » Ironman training tips…

Ironman training tips…

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: After getting dozens of requests for information on how to train for an : Ironman-distance triathlon, I decided to publish a guide to help people : prepare for the distance.  This guide will be sent out to all entrants in : the 1995 Great Floridian and to anyone else that requests it. : If anyone wants to share their training tips or helpful suggestions for : publication, please send them to me over the net or by mail.  If you want : credit for the tip, please include your name and best Ironman time. : Because our conditions are similar to those experienced in Kona, athletes : are especially interested in helpful suggestions on racing in a hot and : humid environment.   : It is our goal to make the Great Floridian the "peoples Ironman", any : suggestions you may have to help us reach that goal will be appreciated. : Thanks.. : Fred Sommer : CFT/Sommer Sports : P.O. Box 121236 : Clermont, FL  34712-1236 Please, please.. Send me any info on training for and Ironman, I’m planning to do Montreal next Sept. I’m currently in a layoff mode, justl killing time till after Christmas. But come January, watch out! Seriosly though I hope to finish my first Ironman under my own power. All advice Would be greatly appreciated. Marcus Perry

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After getting dozens of requests for information on how to train for an Ironman-distance triathlon, I decided to publish a guide to help people prepare for the distance.  This guide will be sent out to all entrants in the 1995 Great Floridian and to anyone else that requests it. If anyone wants to share their training tips or helpful suggestions for publication, please send them to me over the net or by mail.  If you want credit for the tip, please include your name and best Ironman time. Because our conditions are similar to those experienced in Kona, athletes are especially interested in helpful suggestions on racing in a hot and humid environment.   It is our goal to make the Great Floridian the "peoples Ironman", any suggestions you may have to help us reach that goal will be appreciated. Thanks.. Fred Sommer CFT/Sommer Sports P.O. Box 121236 Clermont, FL  34712-1236

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