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For Sale:  Airborne Spectre Time Trial/Triathlon frame.  56 cm frame for 700c wheels.  This is a pre-production model that I have been able to race on this season.  I have about 1200 miles on it. It is in excellent condition.  See  http://www.airborne.net/eready/janette/Store/2001/products/spgeometry…  for geometry.  There are some differences between this frame and the current model.  This has a 1" head tube and a water bottle cage mount on the back of the  seat tube just above the seat stays.  It does not have the head tube nose cone or the fairing on the back of the  seat tube.  And it costs a lot less than the production model.  $600 obo Dia-Compe threadless headset (used) included.  Scott Spees

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The run didn’t go as well as I hoped.  My right side cramped up after the bike-run transition and I ended up walking the first half mile. The cramp went away and I ran the rest of the distance, but it already screwed up my time.  At least I finished running. Is this a common suffering at the bike to run transition?  I don’t really feel any trouble with the legs, but I had a terrible side cramp too that took 3 miles to fade away.  It didn’t slow me down too badly, but it certainly was a major pain at the beginning of an 8 mile stretch.

The cramp was a first for me.  Well, technically everything was a first for me.  :-)  I mean that I never cramped up in any of the bricks I ran in training, and I didn’t ride any different in the race (in fact, the bike leg in the race was shorter than I usually ride). — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the refrigerator.

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Great race report. If I may make a small suggestion that took me an entire season to figure out, don’t go all out on the bike, even though it is your strength. Save some for the run and your overall time will improve. Congratulations!                Steve Fredericks                Oceanside, CA

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The run didn’t go as well as I hoped.  My right side cramped up after the bike-run transition and I ended up walking the first half mile. The cramp went away and I ran the rest of the distance, but it already screwed up my time.  At least I finished running.

Is this a common suffering at the bike to run transition?  I don’t really feel any trouble with the legs, but I had a terrible side cramp too that took 3 miles to fade away.  It didn’t slow me down too badly, but it certainly was a major pain at the beginning of an 8 mile stretch. — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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Way to go Jet…I am training for my first 1/4 in september…..Hopefully I can report as positively (diff.word) as u did…keep going!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I finished my first tri last Sunday.  I ran the sprint triathlon in Clermont, FL, in the novice division. The swim was harder than I expected.  Swimming with 50 or 60 others around you is like swimming in a washing machine.  I planned on staying near the outside of the group but somehow got shuffled into the middle around the first turn.  I probably got as much water as air.  If I wasn’t well hydrated before the start of the race, I certainly was after the swim!  :-)  I ended up backstroking some of the swim, just so I could catch my breath. My transitions went well.  I practiced them beforehand, and I was like a machine in the race.  I bet I looked like I knew what I was doing.  When I was setting up my transition area in the morning, a guy racked near me (also a novice) kept going on about the advice his experienced friend gave him.  He saw me rolling up my socks and putting them in my shoes and told me "my friend says don’t waste your time with socks, it’s much faster without them".  When I carefully rolled up my shirt, he said "don’t bother with a shirt, a race belt is much faster, my friend said so".  Well, when I came into T1, he was sitting there struggling with his shoes, and as I left, he was still there fiddling with his race belt.  I thought to myself "thanks for the advice, I’ll see you later."  :-)  Turns out I had some of the faster transition times for my division. I cleaned up on the bike.  I’m a strong cyclist despite the substandard equipment I have, I figured this would be my best leg of the race.  I passed a ton of riders on the bike.  I was only passed once, myself.  There was one wicked fast downhill where my bike computer recorded a peak speed of 42 mph.  I spun out of gears around 35, so I was effectively just coasting, when a guy on a much better bike than mine went pedalling by doing about 50 or 55 mph. Considering I was on an ancient second hand bike with 12 speeds and downtube shifters, I think I did pretty good. The run didn’t go as well as I hoped.  My right side cramped up after the bike-run transition and I ended up walking the first half mile. The cramp went away and I ran the rest of the distance, but it already screwed up my time.  At least I finished running. I’m going to do it again.  The next race is in about a month.  I now have a time to beat, and I know where I can easily shave off lots of time.  I need to work on swimming, that was my weakest stage.  I also need a better bike, though it felt nice to pass people with multi-thousand dollar bikes on a crappy old road bike I bought 12 years ago for $80.  :-) — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the

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I finished my first tri last Sunday.  I ran the sprint triathlon in Clermont, FL, in the novice division. The swim was harder than I expected.  Swimming with 50 or 60 others around you is like swimming in a washing machine.  I planned on staying near the outside of the group but somehow got shuffled into the middle around the first turn.  I probably got as much water as air.  If I wasn’t well hydrated before the start of the race, I certainly was after the swim!  :-)  I ended up backstroking some of the swim, just so I could catch my breath. My transitions went well.  I practiced them beforehand, and I was like a machine in the race.  I bet I looked like I knew what I was doing.  When I was setting up my transition area in the morning, a guy racked near me (also a novice) kept going on about the advice his experienced friend gave him.  He saw me rolling up my socks and putting them in my shoes and told me "my friend says don’t waste your time with socks, it’s much faster without them".  When I carefully rolled up my shirt, he said "don’t bother with a shirt, a race belt is much faster, my friend said so".  Well, when I came into T1, he was sitting there struggling with his shoes, and as I left, he was still there fiddling with his race belt.  I thought to myself "thanks for the advice, I’ll see you later."  :-)  Turns out I had some of the faster transition times for my division. I cleaned up on the bike.  I’m a strong cyclist despite the substandard equipment I have, I figured this would be my best leg of the race.  I passed a ton of riders on the bike.  I was only passed once, myself.  There was one wicked fast downhill where my bike computer recorded a peak speed of 42 mph.  I spun out of gears around 35, so I was effectively just coasting, when a guy on a much better bike than mine went pedalling by doing about 50 or 55 mph. Considering I was on an ancient second hand bike with 12 speeds and downtube shifters, I think I did pretty good. The run didn’t go as well as I hoped.  My right side cramped up after the bike-run transition and I ended up walking the first half mile. The cramp went away and I ran the rest of the distance, but it already screwed up my time.  At least I finished running. I’m going to do it again.  The next race is in about a month.  I now have a time to beat, and I know where I can easily shave off lots of time.  I need to work on swimming, that was my weakest stage.  I also need a better bike, though it felt nice to pass people with multi-thousand dollar bikes on a crappy old road bike I bought 12 years ago for $80.  :-) — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the refrigerator.

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Good luck for tomorrow’s race, Michele! Let us know… After a number of injuries over the past few months, including herniated discs and sciatica, I just signed up for a 5K tomorrow. My first race since around 1991 or 92. Since I am still coming back from injuries I plan to run and walk but I am hoping to finish in 35 minutes.

– Daniel Pierre-Antoine   Dept. of Political Science Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa, ON K1S 5B6

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Thanks, it has been very frustrating. But, it has given me some time to work on my swimming, which needed a lot of help. I was supposed to do a sprint triathlon in June but had to cancel that so now I am planning on August. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Best of luck in the race. This must have been a frustrating year so far for you. I hope you truly enjoy running the course – the fisish time should be very secondary… but I know the competitive feeling have fun! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "Why should I practice running slow? I already know how to run slow. I must learn to run fast."                                                    Emil Zatopek http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – After a number of injuries over the past few months, including herniated discs and sciatica, I just signed up for a 5K tomorrow. My first race since around 1991 or 92. Since I am still coming back from injuries I plan to run and walk but I am hoping to finish in 35 minutes.

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After a number of injuries over the past few months, including herniated discs and sciatica, I just signed up for a 5K tomorrow. My first race since around 1991 or 92. Since I am still coming back from injuries I plan to run and walk but I am hoping to finish in 35 minutes.

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Good luck! Sean Chester Vancouver Island, Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a number of injuries over the past few months, including herniated discs and sciatica, I just signed up for a 5K tomorrow. My first race since around 1991 or 92. Since I am still coming back from injuries I plan to run and walk but I am hoping to finish in 35 minutes.

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Best of luck in the race. This must have been a frustrating year so far for you. I hope you truly enjoy running the course – the fisish time should be very secondary… but I know the competitive feeling have fun! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "Why should I practice running slow? I already know how to run slow. I must learn to run fast."                                                    Emil Zatopek http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After a number of injuries over the past few months, including herniated discs and sciatica, I just signed up for a 5K tomorrow. My first race since around 1991 or 92. Since I am still coming back from injuries I plan to run and walk but I am hoping to finish in 35 minutes.

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Hi Richard. There are several different distances as you mention. Marty Gaal has written up a page on them which you can find at www.recsporttriathlon.com under "The Distances" I believe. Mike RST webbastard Hi there, I’m wondering if anyone could verify the distances of different triathlons for me (from sprint, Ironman, Olympic (which I think is international), and any others, plus any other differences (i.e. drafting…), and approximate times to finish (top finishes).  Any other general info would be great !! Thanks, Richelle

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You will find answers to your questions here at rec.sport.triathlon’s frequently asked questions. http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html Larry Kuxhausen http://www.crosstrain.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’m wondering if anyone could verify the distances of different triathlons for me (from sprint, Ironman, Olympic (which I think is international), and any others, plus any other differences (i.e. drafting…), and approximate times to finish (top finishes).  Any other general info would be great !! Thanks, Richelle

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Hi there, I’m wondering if anyone could verify the distances of different triathlons for me (from sprint, Ironman, Olympic (which I think is international), and any others, plus any other differences (i.e. drafting…), and approximate times to finish (top finishes).  Any other general info would be great !! Thanks, Richelle

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fresh meat in san diego would appreciate someone pointing me to websites of tri, running, aand bike  clubs also looking for people to train with in late afternoon weekdays and anytime weekends…let’s hammer thanks in advance

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fresh meat in san diego would appreciate someone pointing me to websites of tri, running, aand bike  clubs

The triathlon club of San Diego at: http://sd.znet.com/~triclub                Steve Fredericks                Oceanside, CA

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Remember the woman who had to drop out with a very bad leg injury – I think she is the one who got the injury the first day and continued several more days? Anyway, in the emotional scene where she finally tells her crew members she has to drop out, isn’t that an Ironman Canada hat she is wearing?  Anyone know anything – like what year, does she still do it, and what was her name? sue

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Ken, I supected that I might get a response from you on this one as my RST powers of recall tell me that you have done Eco Challenge or a similar event. You are right, it is a completely an individuals perspective on what is "long", what is a "race" etc . . I recall back in highschool stepping up to the 3,000 m distance for the first time from my more traditional 1500 distance. My coach figured I could run in the 9:10 range based on my 1500m times. I thought to myself," Nine minutes! That’s crazy. That’s such a LONG time". 20 years later my favourite and best event is the Ironman distance triathlon a race that takes me a nine HOURS and change. Obviously, my perspectives and my horizons have changed. However, I must confess that nine hours is about my absolute limit. After that I am really looking forward to a hug from my wife and my son, a warm shower, a beer , a great meal and a good nights sleep. These multi-day affairs are not for me. Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but mentioned that I had done a few Ironman races. His response: "Just Ironman!!" Apparently, for this fellow, an Ironman is clearly not enough. Steve, I do not like elitism any more than you. I am sure though that you see yourself as different for having done the Ironman just as he saw the difference between the Ironman and the Eco. For some people an olympic distance tri is "clearly not enough." Ken

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Having noted my arm-chair interest in Adventure Racing over the last year or two, my wife Cindy has begun to worry: "Honey, I think I’m happy with you doing those Ironman things . . . you wouldn’t want to do *that* . . . uhhh . . . would you???" "BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!" ~;^V Joseph C. Foster The Stanley Works "The idea is to create your own future, and not have it shaped by circumstance." – Peter Thomas

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I have to admit, I saw the hat in a single second.  I said to my girlfriend "Hon, look!  That’s an IMC hat!  That’s so cool!"  All I got was this stare that said "IMC-yes.  Eco-Challenge ist verboten, da?" I smiled.  It was still cool. Hurricane Bob

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but mentioned that I had done a few Ironman races. His response: "Just Ironman!!" Apparently, for this fellow, an Ironman is clearly not enough.

Steve, I do not like elitism any more than you. I am sure though that you see yourself as different for having done the Ironman just as he saw the difference between the Ironman and the Eco. For some people an olympic distance tri is "clearly not enough." Ken

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Remember the woman who had to drop out with a very bad leg injury – I think she is the one who got the injury the first day and continued several more   days? Anyway, in the emotional scene where she finally tells her crew members she has to drop out, isn’t that an Ironman Canada hat she is wearing?  Anyone know anything – like what year, does she still do it, and what was her name?

I noticed the hat too!  The only thing I remember about her from the broadcast was that she was a champion ultramarathoner.  Have to say, though, that I *do* remember thinking, "This is crazy!  If she keeps going, this injury she’s sustained may permanently end her running career."  Ugh, sent shivers up my spine.  I kept thinking, "It just ain’t worth that." Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Hello, There are several tri’s in Wisconsin.  MASS (Madison Area Sports (somthing or other)) has a series of about 3 or so tri’s and a few du’s.  There is the new USTS race, The Lake Geneva International tri to mention a few. Welcome to Wisconsin. Jeff Sawatzke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy.  I have recently moved to Minneapolis and see that there are not so many local tris around here to choose from for the upcoming summer. Does anyone know of a race schedule from last year (or possibly this year) for wisconsin ? I understand Madison will be hosting a USTS race this year and was curious of other races in the area, particularly olympic distance and longer. Thanks, Mark — Mark E. Johnson, IMC97 Inst. for Math. and its Applications U. of Minnesota, Minneapolis http://www.ima.umn.edu/~mjohnson

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Howdy.  I have recently moved to Minneapolis and see that there are not so many local tris around here to choose from for the upcoming summer. Does anyone know of a race schedule from last year (or possibly this year) for wisconsin ? I understand Madison will be hosting a USTS race this year and was curious of other races in the area, particularly olympic distance and longer.

There are lots of sprint dus and tris around these parts (southeast WI). Some ones I know that tend to be annual occurances include: Beloit Biathlon, usually 1st weekend of May Janesville YMCA Biathlon, usually 2nd weekend of May Elite World of Winners Biathlon (Kenosha), 1st weekend of June Pardeeville Triathlon, 2nd weekend of June Beliot Triathlon, 4th or last weekend of June USTS-Madison (Olympic), July 5th Janesville YMCA Triathlon, mid-July Madison Sprint Triahtlon, late-July Menomenee Tinman (~1/2 IM), near end of August – low-key and hilly! Wausau Triathlon, ??? Lake Wisconsin Triathlon, ??? Lake Geneva (Olympic), 1st weekend of Sept Madison Duathlon, mid-Sept ??? Mountain Man Duathlon (Huberatus), mid-Sept (not planned for 98???)

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Hi from Kenosha, I’m also a Minnesota native.  Wisconsin definitely offers more options for racing.  I’ll look to see if I have a copy of last years schedule.  In general, the duathlons start in May with the tris from end of May thru September. See you at the races, Brian

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SILENT SPORTS Magazine, a regional publication has a terrific back of the book calendar section regarding events.  You can race in Wisconsin almost every weekend between late May and early September.  The season is short, but the racing is very good. Best, Mark

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mark Johnson writes:Howdy.  I have recently moved to Minneapolis and see that there are not so many local tris around here to choose from for the upcoming summer. Does anyone know of a race schedule from last year (or possibly this year) for wisconsin ? I understand Madison will be hosting a USTS race this year and was curious of other races in the area, particularly olympic distance and longer. Thanks, Mark — Mark E. Johnson, IMC97 Inst. for Math. and its Applications U. of Minnesota, Minneapolis http://www.ima.umn.edu/~mjohnson

One of the best sources for any races, be they road running, off road biking or bi’s & tri’s is the Badgerland Striders Race Book. The Milwaukee club prints it every year for a few bucks a copy. Ask around for how to order, I left my copy at work. I TRI

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Howdy.  I have recently moved to Minneapolis and see that there are not so many local tris around here to choose from for the upcoming summer. Does anyone know of a race schedule from last year (or possibly this year) for wisconsin ? I understand Madison will be hosting a USTS race this year and was curious of other races in the area, particularly olympic distance and longer. Thanks, Mark — Mark E. Johnson, IMC97 Inst. for Math. and its Applications U. of Minnesota, Minneapolis http://www.ima.umn.edu/~mjohnson

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Wouldn’t miss it! Ron Urman

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Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve posted on this newsgroup.  I’m still training, though I’m still trying to lose those excess baby pounds, and baby Jake is doing great, toddling around like a little boy.  I was wondering if any of you are going to be at the Human Race in Newport Beach next weekend?  I won’t be racing, (I raced once this year, in April), but I       My husband, Brad, in his first triathlon!    That’s right, TriGal’s guy will be competing in his first-ever triathlon.  We’ve worked out an agreement whereby he is allowed to have the Human Race as "his" race, and I agree to be the support crew and babysitter.  In return, I of course retain ownership of ALL other races as "my" races!!!       So who all is gonna be there?  I’ll bring my camera and take lots of pictures of this historic event.  If I recognize you, I’ll cheer for you, too!        Regards,           TriGal  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve posted on this newsgroup.  I’m still training, though I’m still trying to lose those excess baby pounds, and baby Jake is doing great, toddling around like a little boy.  I was wondering if any of you are going to be at the Human Race in Newport Beach next weekend?  I won’t be racing, (I raced once this year, in April), but I      My husband, Brad, in his first triathlon!   That’s right, TriGal’s guy will be competing in his first-ever triathlon.  We’ve worked out an agreement whereby he is allowed to have the Human Race as "his" race, and I agree to be the support crew and babysitter.  In return, I of course retain ownership of ALL other races as "my" races!!!      So who all is gonna be there?  I’ll bring my camera and take lots of pictures of this historic event.  If I recognize you, I’ll cheer for you, too!       Regards,          TriGal  

Hi: I’ll be at the Human Race Tri on Sunday Sept 14. That’s great that your husband will be doing his first tri. I did the bike and run today, and the course is pretty humane. It should be a good first triathlon, especially with what is essentially a salt water lake swim. I’m not sure how you would recognize me, but go ahead and start looking when about two-thirds of the field has already finished. Actually, start looking after seven-twelfths of the field has finished because I think Sunday is gonna be my day! Good luck to Brad, and I hope that I somehow hook up with the both (three?) of you. E-mail me with your last name. Jeff Roberts

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I would say a 10 hour Vineman time and a 3 hour marathon time are both a little too optimistic.  I also did a 4:39 at Mike and Rob’s last year. Don’t forget that bike course is 52, not 56 miles.  Your are trying to do double the distance at Vineman in just about double the time.  I did the half Vineman in 1993 in 5:03.  The 2 Ironman distances I did were a 12:42 in Ironman Canada in 93 and 12:35 in the Esprit Triathlon in Montreal in 94.  My point is you inevitable slow down when you double the distance. For me, It took 2 and half times as long to go from half ironman to ironman distance.  Also, a 3 hour run is even faster then most pros are able to do.  I usually average about a 7:15 pace in half ironmans and I have a marathon PR of 3:08, but my 2 ironman runs were a dismal 4:45 and 4:40.  You might be better off shooting for a 12 hour race and a 3:45 or 4 hour marathon.  The run at Vineman isn’t too tough, but It could be a hot day.  Good Luck!!!! Barry Bruckman                 Dallas, Tx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would say a 10 hour Vineman time and a 3 hour marathon time are both a little too optimistic.  I also did a 4:39 at Mike and Rob’s last year. Don’t forget that bike course is 52, not 56 miles.  Your are trying to do double the distance at Vineman in just about double the time.  I did the half Vineman in 1993 in 5:03.  The 2 Ironman distances I did were a 12:42 in Ironman Canada in 93 and 12:35 in the Esprit Triathlon in Montreal in 94.  My point is you inevitable slow down when you double the distance. For me, It took 2 and half times as long to go from half ironman to ironman distance.  Also, a 3 hour run is even faster then most pros are able to do.  I usually average about a 7:15 pace in half ironmans and I have a marathon PR of 3:08, but my 2 ironman runs were a dismal 4:45 and 4:40.  You might be better off shooting for a 12 hour race and a 3:45 or 4 hour marathon.  The run at Vineman isn’t too tough, but It could be a hot day.  Good Luck!!!! Barry Bruckman                 Dallas, Tx

RRIIIIIIINNNGGG!!! Thanks for the wake up call. I know it sounds naive, but I really had no idea of how the times would translate. It really helps to see that we had similar times at Mike and Rob’s (I actually had 53 miles plus for the bike, despite the official measurement) and it projected to 2 1/2 times for the full ironman. I’ll keep that in mind when I get off the bike, and start plodding along on the run. My new goal is then: break a half day! Thanks, Cesar Valverde

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