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Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Well, he’s an actual sports injury physician, so I’d go for it. Makes sense to me. I’d be extra careful of your cadence and push-off. Nice and easy, as he said. Maybe 5k – 8k at LSD pace a couple times a week? Hope to see you back it top form soon, Bernard. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Thanks David.Yep, it looks like LSD pace for a while, at least i’ll be running. Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, he’s an actual sports injury physician, so I’d go for it. Makes sense to me. I’d be extra careful of your cadence and push-off. Nice and easy, as he said. Maybe 5k – 8k at LSD pace a couple times a week? Hope to see you back it top form soon, Bernard. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I had a hip flexors strain months ago that cause a pain right in the groin. It didn’t keep me from running but it got pretty annoying. Yours must be more serious… Did he do any manipulation on it (ART or whatever)? If you’re in the acute stage of the injury, it’s not advisable, hence the NSAID and easy running. BTW, how much do they charge there? (I should know, It’s my university!) In my case, my chiropractor did something (not ART) that released the tension gradually. Her pedestrian term (as opposed to scientific) for it was "pressure point". It basically falls in the category of cross-frictions, ART, etc. but with less pain while being done. This wasn’t part of my treatment; just something I told her because she knows I’m a runner and she’s a triathlete. Not to pooh-pooh the Carleton guy, but here’s the therapist I occasionally see (besides the chiro): Trevor Notenboom, RMT, Back to HEalth Chiropractic, 240 Catherine St., Suite 100, Ottawa, tel.: 613-237-3306. This guy has gotten me rid of all my little aches and pains. Good luck, Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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To diagnose the injury he made me jump on the leg the injury is located on, he did all kinds of pulling, streching, made me rotate my hip ect. Easy running and streching is what he recommended for now, if the problem persists, I have to go for physio. Thanks for the contact, if it doesn’t work out, i’ll call your guy. Thanks, Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a hip flexors strain months ago that cause a pain right in the groin. It didn’t keep me from running but it got pretty annoying. Yours must be more serious… Did he do any manipulation on it (ART or whatever)? If you’re in the acute stage of the injury, it’s not advisable, hence the NSAID and easy running. BTW, how much do they charge there? (I should know, It’s my university!) In my case, my chiropractor did something (not ART) that released the tension gradually. Her pedestrian term (as opposed to scientific) for it was "pressure point". It basically falls in the category of cross-frictions, ART, etc. but with less pain while being done. This wasn’t part of my treatment; just something I told her because she knows I’m a runner and she’s a triathlete. Not to pooh-pooh the Carleton guy, but here’s the therapist I occasionally see (besides the chiro): Trevor Notenboom, RMT, Back to HEalth Chiropractic, 240 Catherine St., Suite 100, Ottawa, tel.: 613-237-3306. This guy has gotten me rid of all my little aches and pains. Good luck, Daniel Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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It looks like I have what you had, and did it the same way, by running hard, actually  by sprinting. I’ll also do what you did, easy running and ice treatment. Hope it clears as quickly as it did with you. Thanks, Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time… Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively.  My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Chris, I’m sorry to hear that, please keep us updated. Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively.  My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris

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I might add that after my strain had healed, I began working the hip flexors at the gym–something I didn’t do before that (knee raises with a machine whose name I don’t know). It probably helped my running too since I can move my leg forward (or up if necessary) with less effort. Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It looks like I have what you had, and did it the same way, by running hard, actually  by sprinting. I’ll also do what you did, easy running and ice treatment. Hope it clears as quickly as it did with you. Thanks, Bernard I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time… Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Thanks.  It’s frustrating but I’m sure I will get back there sooner or later. Hopefully sooner……Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris, I’m sorry to hear that, please keep us updated. Bernard I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively. My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris

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I trained for thr half ironman in Muncie IN. It was right on the mark! It suited for all tiathletes from begginner to pro. tom

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has anybody tried his training software? is it worth it thaks in advance Albert

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does any body have a few tips that i could have on triathlon training programs. eg amount of swim ,running, cycling per week       thank you                     john thomas

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does any body have a few tips that i could have on triathlon training programs. eg amount of swim ,running, cycling per week      thank you                    john thomas

Triathlete magazine has 3 different 12 week training programs on their site that are fairly decent. www.triathletemag.com John "Ad astra per aspera" "A rough road leads to the stars"

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Try the links or online-tools here www.science-sportsware.dk Martin Egeskov Pedersen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does any body have a few tips that i could have on triathlon training programs. eg amount of swim ,running, cycling per week       thank you                   john thomas

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Call or email Multisport Training Company, they have a great coaching staff.

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Two other sources for training programs: www.trinewbies.com and www.220magazine.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does any body have a few tips that i could have on triathlon training programs. eg amount of swim ,running, cycling per week      thank you                  john thomas

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Hey!  As my grandmother says … "Self praise is no recommendation". But on a more serious note, if you are willing to pay out a bit of money for a training plan, you might also want to check out Troy Jacobson’s site at: http://www.coachtroy.com Cheers. Clive "jukebox" Cartlidge Call or email Multisport Training Company, they have a great coaching staff.

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Was this a drafting triathlon and if so is Lessing only racing in draft-legal races? Rob

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it was draft legal. Lessing tends to concentrate on the ITU/olympic scene but i doubt he would rule out a race on the basis that drafting was not allowed. I think he does/has done laguna phuket which is definitely not draft legal. rob www.extremetri.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was this a drafting triathlon and if so is Lessing only racing in draft-legal races? Rob

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Was this a drafting triathlon and if so is Lessing only racing in draft-legal races? Rob

Yes, the elite male and female waves were draft legal with ETU technical delegates checking all bikes (and rejecting several). No, I don’t believe that Simon is only doing draft legal events but certainly most of the pro events these days are that way in order to get the ITU points. The race was pretty tactical as there was a swim and a bike prime but, because of safety issues the bike prime was on lap 4 out of 5 so the last lap saw all the male athletes jockeying for position. Lessing won it on the run, pulling clear on the 4th lap to win comfortably. Interesting point: All the women cut the course by 300m by missing the run through transition! No timing splits for the swim or the run because they missed the timing mats at the transition entrance (they all ran in through the run out!!) Full results at www.triathletes.demon.co.uk

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Tim Kipp: Nice original point, but you just got blown out of the water. Worse than being a so-called cheater is an unoriginal, inflexible, unfunny, dogmatist with no verbal game. You ought to try the Cuba to to Florida swim — without a shark cage.  Some thought THAT was cheating and called Susie Maroney — a bona fide long distance swim star — a fake because she used the cage and timed the currents to do the 109-mile swim in 24 hours. Add those figures up and you might conclude immediately that she CHEATED! I just think you Savanarolas of purity live in the narrow lane. Timothy Carlson

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Tim, The August issue of Triathlete continues a number of really good articles. After I read them, I would turn to the first page and look for the byline. The Mark Allen interview. By Timothy Carlson. The Anatomy of An Injury. By Timothy Carlson. The Tug of War. By Timothy Carlson. The Tony Richardson item. By Timothy Carlson. The Newbie Corner. Who else? I hope the new management is paying Tim better, because he’s making this magazine worth our time. And comparing his interview of Allen with the Katovsky abomination with Alexandra Paul the month before only points out all the more why they should take away Katovsky’s keyboard. Keep up the good work, Tim, and for goodness sake don’t let them make you an editor. You might make more money, but you won’t get to write . . . Brian Sullivan

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he also write the Dave Scott article in the trial issue of the new Winning? Only thing worth reading in the whole rag… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The August issue of Triathlete continues a number of really good articles. After I read them, I would turn to the first page and look for the byline. The Mark Allen interview. By Timothy Carlson. The Anatomy of An Injury. By Timothy Carlson. The Tug of War. By Timothy Carlson. The Tony Richardson item. By Timothy Carlson. The Newbie Corner. Who else?

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he also write the Dave Scott article in the trial issue of the new Winning? Only thing worth reading in the whole rag… The August issue of Triathlete continues a number of really good articles. After I read them, I would turn to the first page and look for the byline. The Mark Allen interview. By Timothy Carlson. The Anatomy of An Injury. By Timothy Carlson. The Tug of War. By Timothy Carlson. The Tony Richardson item. By Timothy Carlson. The Newbie Corner. Who else?

I must agree.  I took part in the napalming of a couple of recent Triathlete issues but I was impressed by much of the latest one.  Keep up the good work, Tim. Stacy Hills Reston, VA

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I must agree.  I took part in the napalming of a couple of recent Triathlete issues but I was impressed by much of the latest one.  Keep up the good work, Tim.

You know, I have to say something here. While I did particularly like the latest Triatlete, I have been a longtime fan of the magazine. The combination of editors Lisa Park and T.J. Murphy for the last 18 months reflect, well, the magazine over the last 18 months! I have no complaints (aside from the Alexandra Paul interview in July, which wasn’t their doing at all). Yes, the new names on the masthead and new ownership are bringing some fresh ideas to the mag, as they should. But, come on! It wasn’t so terrible before … really, it wasn’t! So stop dumping on it. Katherine Williams

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I must agree.  I took part in the napalming of a couple of recent Triathlete issues but I was impressed by much of the latest one.  Keep up the good work, Tim. You know, I have to say something here. While I did particularly like the latest Triatlete, I have been a longtime fan of the magazine. The combination of editors Lisa Park and T.J. Murphy for the last 18 months reflect, well, the magazine over the last 18 months! I have no complaints (aside from the Alexandra Paul interview in July, which wasn’t their doing at all). Yes, the new names on the masthead and new ownership are bringing some fresh ideas to the mag, as they should. But, come on! It wasn’t so terrible before … really, it wasn’t! So stop dumping on it.

Katherine, you’ve come forth a number of time on these threads saying that from the point of view of a publisher, writer, etc. that whatever mag we’re critiquing is quite good.  That’s fine, but its got to impress those of us who aren’t involved with publishing, writing, deadlines, budgets, etc. We’re the people who are being asked to fork over our cash and we want our money’s worth. I’ve said it before and received a nice email from Tim Carlson, but I’ll say it again so maybe the Triathlete editors will read it.  I compare almost every sports mag I read to Bicycling.  Alot of people hate Bicycling, but I’m of the opinion that they have a fantastic balance of professional racing and joe regular training & repair information spread between road and off-road.  Furthermore, they never seem to coddle manufacturers(potential advertisers) in they’re product reviews but instead give real reviews by real people who actually spent time using the product and do follow up reviews on some products after a year of use.  If I wanted better coverage of the pros I’d read VeloNews, if I wanted to see what color Missy’s hair is this week I’d read one of the strictly dirt mags, but w/ Bicycling I’ve got just enough of both.  No, I’ve got no relationship w/ Bicycling, I just think its a great mag and wish that the folks at Triathlete would take a look at how they do business. I just renewed my script to Triathlete.  I’ll renew those to Bicycling and Inside Triathlon when they come up too, because I love to read everything I can get my hands on regarding the sports that I love.  I also think this gives me a little license to bitch when I think my subscription $$ are being wasted.  Sure we get petty and tend to go off on tangents(like whether Miss Paul should have been given an IM "slot") but I’d like to think that the Triathlete people are benefiting from what we say here about their magazine. I wasn’t offended that they did a big spread on her, I just wish they’d not let Katovsky write the article.  Maybe due to our bitching they’ll think twice about letting him write another story. Keep up the critiques everyone, I think they’re getting results. Thanks for listening, Stacy Hills Reston, VA

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Boy, we all seem to be getting a bit nasty.  Can’t we all just get along.  Triathlon is what it is and swimming competitively is what it is.  I was a competitive swimmer for 17 years through college and a competitive triathlete since my first triathlon 15 years ago.  Comparing the two sports is like comparing apples and oranges.  I also played water polo in college, but I don’t compare triathlons or swimming to that, though I always seem to be able to use my water polo moves when I need them in the swim to fend of the person grabbing my ankles or swimming into me.  They learn the hard way not to try to swim over me.     Anyway, don’t people have anything more constructive to do, like training or talking about training.  Recently, I rarely seem to hear people trying to help each other by discussing workouts or training regiments.  Its starting to get a little boring linking up to RST only to hear people flame or get flamed. As always just my two cents, which everyone is entitled to. Psycho Fred – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (GANelson) writes: Sorry, couldnt help myself on this one… I have been participating in the sport of Triathlon for 4 years now, and I am a BOP to MOP at best.  I enjoy the sport in the various forms it turns up in at each event. I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathle esnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyou eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothin topushoffofyoubeenthereyou now whatimean! Oh well, what do i know anyway. Apparently, nothing. GANelson PS  Better buy stock in Boise Cascade….they plant the trees that make the paper that is used in the swimsuits we triathletes will be wearing next year to prove to the "real" swimmers that we are worthy!  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (GANelson) writes: Sorry, couldnt help myself on this one… I have been participating in the sport of Triathlon for 4 years now, and I am a BOP to MOP at best.  I enjoy the sport in the various forms it turns up in at each event.   I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathletesnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyou eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothingtopushoffofyoubeenthereyou now whatimean!   Oh well, what do i know anyway. Apparently, nothing.

Tim, I’m disappointed in you.  This one-line response to a very ingenious post only makes you look like a pouty child.  Come on, why don’t you address they fellow’s point?  I think he makes it rather well. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Some of us are just a little overtrained this time of the season.  Don’t take it seriously, probably just some venting going on……. "Life’s a brick" "Overtrained and underworked, wouldn’t have it any other way" "Drafting is not a four letter word" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Boy, we all seem to be getting a bit nasty.  Can’t we all just get along. ’snip Recently, I rarely seem to hear people trying to help each other by discussing workouts or training regiments.  Its starting to get a little boring linking up to RST only to hear people flame or get flamed. As always just my two cents, which everyone is entitled to. Psycho Fred

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Some of us are just a little overtrained this time of the season.  Don’t take it seriously, probably just some venting going on…….

 Or p’raps a bit tense with IMC looming large…. Chaz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Boy, we all seem to be getting a bit nasty.  Can’t we all just get along. ’snip Recently, I rarely seem to hear people trying to help each other by discussing workouts or training regiments.  Its starting to get a little boring linking up to RST only to hear people flame or get flamed. As always just my two cents, which everyone is entitled to. Psycho Fred

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Iron Pete) writes: I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathletesnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyo r eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothingtopushoffofyoubeenthereyo kno w whatimean!   Oh well, what do i know anyway. GANelson PS  Better buy stock in Boise Cascade….they plant the trees that make the paper that is used in the swimsuits we triathletes will be wearing next year to prove to the "real" swimmers that we are worthy!   You do bring up a point…since I left college they did incorporate some changes to swimming, let’s see…the track start from the swim blocks, the backstroke flip turn, oh, and a new strategy hugging the lane line to draft off the guy in the next lane…hmmm… "Iron" Pete Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97 —Countdown: 16 days until D-Day!!!

TOTALLY enjoyed points made above! Still feel like not touching the wall on backstroke seems like cheating (not that that stops me from doing the "new" turn)!  Don’t forget the wave breaststroke and underwater dolphin kicks for back. I don’t think the lane line hugging is anything new though – been using that strategy since ‘83 when the college coach (much to my dismay) decided I was a distance swimmer – YUCK! Gotta use any method possible to save energy. Well now it seems to all have worked out for the best- if the rules allow it then it is not cheating.  Helps me feel a little better about "wimping" out and wearing my new free QR Hydrofull suit (THANKS QRMAN) in my ocean swim last nite despite a relatively balmy low 70 degree temp! That wetsuit kicks butt – though it still is necessary to do at least a little hard work in order for it to work to its best capacity! -hug

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathletesnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyour eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothingtopushoffofyoubeenthereyoukno w whatimean!   Oh well, what do i know anyway. GANelson PS  Better buy stock in Boise Cascade….they plant the trees that make the paper that is used in the swimsuits we triathletes will be wearing next year to prove to the "real" swimmers that we are worthy!  

You do bring up a point…since I left college they did incorporate some changes to swimming, let’s see…the track start from the swim blocks, the backstroke flip turn, oh, and a new strategy hugging the lane line to draft off the guy in the next lane…hmmm… "Iron" Pete Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97 —Countdown: 16 days until D-Day!!!

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Sorry, couldnt help myself on this one… I have been participating in the sport of Triathlon for 4 years now, and I am a BOP to MOP at best.  I enjoy the sport in the various forms it turns up in at each event.   I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathletesnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyour eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothingtopushoffofyoubeenthereyouknow whatimean!   Oh well, what do i know anyway. GANelson PS  Better buy stock in Boise Cascade….they plant the trees that make the paper that is used in the swimsuits we triathletes will be wearing next year to prove to the "real" swimmers that we are worthy!  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(GANelson) writes: Sorry, couldnt help myself on this one… I have been participating in the sport of Triathlon for 4 years now, and I am a BOP to MOP at best.  I enjoy the sport in the various forms it turns up in at each event.   I went to a swim meet the other day to watch what TK would describe as REAL SWIMMERS do their thing.  OMG!  They had a raised platform to start from so they got a flying start, lanes to swim in, clear water, a concrete wall to push off of every 50 meters, and a line painted on the bottom of the pool to help with navigation.  No kidding!  As if that was not enough…they had the faster qualifiers swim in the middle (preferred) lanes, wore swim caps (for speed I think, no known safety reason), and some even showed up with terribly loooonnng fingernails….. Guess I got it all wrong.  I thought SWIMMING was massstartsgettingthrashed byhundredsofstrongerathletesnavigatingthroughmurkywaterwiththesuninyou eyeswithnothingtostandonifyougettirednothingtopushoffofyoubeenthereyou now whatimean!   Oh well, what do i know anyway.

Apparently, nothing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GANelson PS  Better buy stock in Boise Cascade….they plant the trees that make the paper that is used in the swimsuits we triathletes will be wearing next year to prove to the "real" swimmers that we are worthy!  

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I’m planning to go training to Lanzarote or To Fuerteventura next February for two weeks. Have someboby been there ? Are there roads safe enough ? Is it good place for Triathlete to ride a bike ? I’m not very interested about swimming there, only the cykling. Please give some advice where to go to train in February or march.

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Bjarne Riis trained there before TdF…it is certainly a nice place to improve then )) I have an address at home concerning facilities to train there, hotels, food etc… I can mail it tomorrow if you wish… Francois PS nonetheless I have heard that in february it is often very windy… — *** Any opinion expressed above is strictly my own. *** Disclaimer: I said this. My company didn’t.

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I’ve been meaning to ask this ever since I heard they’d nixed the lottery:

The lottery has not been nixed. Applications were due in this year by Jan 31. I believe the drawing was held some time around May 1. The difference between this year and the past few is that the did actually nix the lotto spots that were handed out at the qualifiers. Reason being most of the dnf’s came from that group of triathletes. If you got a lotto spot this year in the big drawing you had to somewhat qualify by doing one of the long course races. my only hope the remote possibility that perhaps they’ll add a Clydesdale division at IMH?

I’ve asked the powers that be at IM for several years about a clydesdale/athena category to no avail. Good that we still have a few promoters (Great Floridian/Vineman) willing to put on an IM event that has a clydesdale/athena category. Better do it before they go away too. Terry

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I don’t think the IMH lottery has been done away with.  It was only the lottery spots certain races were allowed to give away the last few years that were stopped.  The lottery that you can enter by March 31st by using the Ironman application still exists for (what is it 100? 150?) a few lucky folks. I hope I’m right.  After a few years "off lottery," I think I’m going to send my money again next spring.

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Is my only hope the remote possibility that perhaps they’ll add a Clydesdale division at IMH?

Interestingly enough, as we made our way on the bike and run courses at Muncie there were probably at least a dozen signs  spread out along the course in favor of "Kona Klydesdales".  I don’t remember any of the slogans, but they were along the lines of ‘Give big guys a chance’ or ‘Weight vs age groups – what’s tougher?’. Just George  

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I;m going. I qualified at Sunapee last weekend and this will be my 11th Hawaii Ironman. Who would have thunk!!!!                                                         Lesley Cens-McDowell

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I;m going. I qualified at Sunapee last weekend and this will be my 11th Hawaii Ironman. Who would have thunk!!!!

I would have thunk, Lesley!  Missed you at Orange County and Cleveland, but you didn’t miss much.  See you soon. Ruth Kazez

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I qualified on Saturday at the Muskoka (Ontario, Canada) Long Course race. Oh my! Michael Valleriano Webster, NY

Oops…I’m using my cube neighbor’s workstation today… I don’t think Peter (my cube neighbor) wants to go to IMH! Michael Valleriano Webster,NY

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I don’t get to go, but I was just curious – how many of you RST folks are headed to Kona in October? Also, when do the lottery winners get the word? Brian Sullivan

I am going! I qualified on Saturday at the Muskoka (Ontario, Canada) Long Course race. Oh my! Michael Valleriano Webster, NY

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I’m going… is anyone planning a meeting time/place for RSTers cindy gagnon

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I don’t think the IMH lottery has been done away with.  It was only the lottery spots certain races were allowed to give away the last few years that were stopped.  The lottery that you can enter by March 31st by using the Ironman application still exists for (what is it 100? 150?) a few lucky folks. I hope I’m right.  After a few years "off lottery," I think I’m going to send my money again next spring.

The lottery is still there.  I know of someone here locally that got in this year (I believe it was the second time he got in this way). At 6′5", 200lbs I’d love to see a clydesdale division, but I can see it would be a logistical nightmare for the race officials. I bet there would be lots of people ‘bulking up’ to make weight. Dave Brueggen

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I’m going… is anyone planning a meeting time/place for RSTers cindy gagnon

A meeting time/place (poobah handshake???) for RST folk sounds great. I will be there (on my honeymoon risking divorce) getting photos and the low down on what *really* happens for posting on my web site. Drop me a line if you are going and we’ll see if we can catch up. Regards, Paul (PB) Wilson —                            Paul (PB) Wilson          Home Page: http://www.vicnet.net.au/~ironman/pb.htm     Triathlon Page: http://www.vicnet.net.au/~ironman/tri/tri.htm

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I don’t get to go, but I was just curious – how many of you RST folks are headed to Kona in October? Also, when do the lottery winners get the word? Brian Sullivan

Gosh, I didn’t think anyone would ever ask;-) YES I’m going, and the lottery winners find out the first week in May. That’s how I get to go. This year they did away with lotteries at races. It would be great to have an rst encounter. Who else is going? — Chris Davis "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one’s courage" –Anais Nin http://www.sfo.com/~hulaman/home.html

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I don’t get to go, but I was just curious – how many of you RST folks are headed to Kona in October? Also, when do the lottery winners get the word? YES I’m going, and the lottery winners find out the first week in May. That’s how I get to go. This year they did away with lotteries at races.

I’ve been meaning to ask this ever since I heard they’d nixed the lottery: How are we pretenders to triathletic ability ever supposed to get the chance to do the Ironman now?  There is no way in heaven or hell TriBaby will ever "qualify" for IMH; will there be any other alternative now?  Is my only hope the remote possibility that perhaps they’ll add a Clydesdale division at IMH?  (Even then I doubt I’d qualify.) Has the dream been snuffed out before it even had a chance to germinate? Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I don’t get to go, but I was just curious – how many of you RST folks are headed to Kona in October? Also, when do the lottery winners get the word? Brian Sullivan

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Again, does anybody know anything about this triathlon?  I sent of an email to somebody, but haven’t gotten a response.  thanks, mike

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     Hi there…I e’d them about 2 weeks ago and got some entry forms via snail about 1 week ago…soooo, they do exist!                                                    cheers, Bill Webber

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I agree, the Escape from Alcatraz was a great race! Everything was so very well organized, lots of  helpful volunteers, great new course and great weather!  A thrilling experience to be sure.  Especially thrilling to share the women’s bathrooms on the Ferry boat with some of the pro men …  imagine handing off your bathroom stall to none other than the next "girl" in line–Mr. Welch himself!!  And just prior to that outside the restroom door,  I had offered my pink bathing cap to Mike Pigg as a disguise so he could take advantage of the short line for the ladies room stalls! This being my first swim from Alcatraz to San Francisco, I was, how-you-say? – Apprehensive!   I had consulted with a couple of friends regarding the tides before the race.  One is a Bay Area bar pilot and the other is a SF Bay swimmer/member of the South End Rowing Club.  The swimmer has crossed the great water between The Rock and SF numerous times,  (she thinks that wetsuits are only for wimps-at least swe’re warm wimps!)  So I knew that there was a certain window between the flood, slack and ebb tides and that we needed to be in the window in order to cross easily.  Because of that, I wasn’t surprised when the starting horn went off while 300 warm and dry swimmers were still on The Rock,  it was about 8:10 and definitely *time* to start the race… It became a mad dash down the dock, into the water and into the swim.  No time to ponder about the cold, or about Dave and the dog, or about anything else for that matter.   The vasaline on my left goggle really did make sighting interesting—I just got myself in with a pack of swimmers and pretty much stayed with them until I got close enough to the breakwall to get in the ebb tide.  It was a nice coast in–ever so short, but a welcome ride at that point.  The crowd at the end of the swim was very supportive–lots of encouraging cheers and the volunteers were there to help get our bags packed and tied while we ran on our merry way to our bikes- that was a very nice surprise. After the short run over the hill to Fort Mason, we were off on our bikes to the Great Highway.  About 75 minutes into the race, I saw Mike Pigg fly, in the opposite direction, past the line of age-groupers climbing one of the many hills on the course–he was just about to pull into the bike/run transistion.  Before the race, I had overheard him telling someone that he thought he would be finished in just over two hours. I wondered if he could finish the ten mile run (with three beach crossings),  in less than 45 minutes–I thought, "well, he looks like he could–maybe he can." It was just a little further down the road that quite a few volunteers were out sweeping the road–someone had thrown tacks on the course.  JEEZ!  Who would do that?  And why?  I have a theory, but will keep it to myself for now.  Anyway, there were lots of flats.  I somehow made it through all of tacks without popping a tire.  Again, the volunteers on the bike course were extremely supportive and vocal. At various points along the way, the pros whizzed by, going back towards the run start.  Michellie Jones looked just like all of the published photographs in aero position on the bike.    ( Hey wait a minute, was I really racing, or was I sitting on the couch looking at a tri-geek magazine in one of my "fantasy races"??). Oh, yeah, I was racing, the run reminded me of that.  Shortly after I started the run, on the first beach crossing, Paula Newby Fraser passed in the opposite direction.  She looked strong and fast and she was only about 4 miles from the finish at that point. This race must have felt like a short jaunt to her.  As for me, the sand-ladder was killer, but the flat run to the finish was fun and exciting.  So many nice spectators! So much Hydra-fuel! So much food!  Many many thanks to Dave, Wendy , Summer, the volunteers and sponsers for putting on such a class event. and Congratulations to all of the racers! Melanie    

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ST was of course joking when he asked me for $5. I wouldn’t worry about it. — +   Jean-Didier Allegrucci  - (ISD VLSI Engineering)    + +                                                       +

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I also find it hard to believe that ST wanted recompense for a photo after watching him mug for the camera at Wildflower with a young woman who had placed high in her age group on her birthday, no less! When the knucklehead race announcer made mention of this, ST initiated the photo-op. And I believe he did the same for a few others who asked.         Sure hope you were mistaken/wrong/endorphin-influenced or something. Kurian

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You can’t be serious.  Tinley didn’t *really* ask for $5 for his autograph, did he? Cory "I may be gullible" H. Of course Tinley would ask for $5. Why wouldn’t he? He is the best at self marketing in the whole sport of triathlon, if he wasn’t where would he be now? If he was serious, which I doubt, he would still have taken the money if it were given. That’s part of Tinley’s charm, he’s a take what you can today sort of guy.

One funny thing worth mentionning is the amount of Tinley brand sport clothing around. Scott Tinley was wearing a Tinley swimsuit with a Tinley running singlet, while running behind another competitor who was also wearing a Tinley swimsuit. Even when he doesn’t win a race, he must be always smiling. — +   Jean-Didier Allegrucci  - (ISD VLSI Engineering)    + +                                                       +

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You can’t be serious.  Tinley didn’t *really* ask for $5 for his autograph, did he? Cory "I may be gullible" H.

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You can’t be serious.  Tinley didn’t *really* ask for $5 for his autograph, did he? Cory "I may be gullible" H.

Of course Tinley would ask for $5. Why wouldn’t he? He is the best at self marketing in the whole sport of triathlon, if he wasn’t where would he be now? If he was serious, which I doubt, he would still have taken the money if it were given. That’s part of Tinley’s charm, he’s a take what you can today sort of guy. Jeff Jeff Kohl Rstsurfer Canada’s #1 mailman

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If you like watching famous pros, Alcatraz is the place. I got pictures with Mike Pigg, Greg welch, Scott Tinley (he wanted $5 for it)

Did you pay him the $5 cash, or credit card? Cesar Valverde    

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The Escape From Alcatraz is always a great event, but this year had its problems. Instead of jumping off the boat on the SF side of the island, we got off on the dock (east side). Then some folks started jumping into the water and swimming while the rest of us waited for the signal to get in the water. Suddenly, the boat horn sounded! The race had started…with about 300 of us still on the dock. it was proabbly 5 mins after the start that I finally got down the narrow, jammed up ramp to the water. The swim was longer than past years, and quite choppy. My time was way off. Standard short run to Ft. mason. The bike route was the same except is stopped on the SF side of the GG Bridge. The "run’ course was completely changed. I don’t know why Dave likes runs in the sand, the elites just blow their times, and the rest of us just suffer. i won’t even talk about the log sand ladder. Bottom line: the old route in the marin headlands was great (views, challenges, no cars or pedestrians, just competitors). It made this Tri a runner’s race. Most Tri’s are staged for the bike. Good times at the finish: food, people, etc. Maybe next year we can get back to the great run route?

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Agreed!  This was a totally inspirational race.  I took my mountain bike to the city so I could hop around the circuit and follow the action.  Great idea!  (Of course, I stayed well clear of the racers.) I even gave Greg Welch a time split during the run while hanging outside Robin William’s residence!  (Greg autographed my helmet at the end of the race.  Way cool.) I highly recommend coming to watch this race in the future.  It was a blast.  Racing it would be even better.  But with my first triathlon coming up on Sept 17, I think I’ll give it a few years before braving the cold currents and sharks off Alcatraz… Hats off to those of you who raced.  You are amazing. BTW, for those of you in the SF Bay Area, TV coverage is slated for August 26th at 5:00pm on ABC (channel 7 on my box). Also, it would be great to see more pre-race publicity for this event in the future.  Coming at the height of the tourist season, I think the race could attract a huge crowd and would really help draw the sport into the public eye–"They’re swimming from WHERE?!" No worries,  Patrick Goebel           | voice: (415) 321-2052     ——  __o  CASBS/GCN/VeloNet        |   fax: (415) 321-1192  ——-  _`<,_  202 Junipero Serra Blvd. |                           —- (*)/ (*)  Stanford, CA 94305       | High Speed Digital Commuter  http://cycling.org       | Gweebe in ‘95 – Ironman in 2000

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What a race! This is one race you won’t want to miss on TV. Lessing, Pigg, and Welch fought a real battle. If wish I could have seen the whole run. I was at the finish line, and we were getting updates every 5 minutes. Pigg was leading on the run. Then Lessing passed him. His lead at one point was more than 15 seconds. Pigg came back within 10 seconds. Then, welch was closing the gap. Finnaly Lessing pushed hard in the last mile to win the race. Mike Pigg was about 30 seconds behind, and then Welch showed up 20 seconds behind Pigg. What a race. These three guys pushed so hard that they were almost 5 minutes ahead of the fourth competitor. Everybody was surprised to see Lessing at the finish line with blood on his left leg. This guy crashed on the bike and then came back to win! Amazing. He was taken to the hospital later because he was not feeling good at all. He turned white within 10 minutes of the finish. After the race, a bunch of friends and myself were cheering for Pigg. He came to see us, shoke hands with us, and started to talk like he had known us for years. We talked for about 5 minutes. I could not believe it. I have never seen an athlete as friendly as Mike Pigg. Pigg rules! If you like watching famous pros, Alcatraz is the place. I got pictures with Mike Pigg, Greg welch, Scott Tinley (he wanted $5 for it), and also Michellie Jones (my girlfriend got jaleous)!!! By the way, Michellie got out of the water 3 minutes ahead of Paula. She kept this lead throughout the whole race. She was never challenged. Sean Welch had to drop out because of a foot problem. Also, worhty to mention, is Dave Horning (the man behind this race) and his dog "summer" who did the swim in 42 minutes! — +   Jean-Didier Allegrucci  - (ISD VLSI Engineering)    + +                                                       +

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I saw on ESPN last nite a triathlon in Rye, NY. (a Danskin race?) They showed Michellie Jones crashed. Were there any netters at that race? How bad was the crash? Is she OK? Is she racing again? Thanks for the info. -Mike

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I saw on ESPN last nite a triathlon in Rye, NY. (a Danskin race?) They showed Michellie Jones crashed. Were there any netters at that race? How bad was the crash? Is she OK? Is she racing again? Thanks for the info. -Mike

Yes, it was the Danskin Women’s Triathlon. I wasn’t there, but she did   crash and had to quit the race. It must have not been too bad because she   just raced in the Danskin Tri in San Jose, CA (on July 11th) and came in   first place! Marilyn

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