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Check out www.extremetri.com they have a pretty good list of events that can be sorted in a lot of ways.  You do need to register (free) to use the calander. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi triathletes Due to an injury (contusion and following trochanter bursitis) I have been forced to cancell all my competitions this summer, among them Austrian Ironman. I wonder if there is any Ironmandistance competitions in September -October ? I have heard about one in Hawai, but I suppose it out of question… But really, is there any competitions in Europe in the autnum, I have heard about one on Ibiza (in october) ? Thank you in advance for good suggestions. Motto: Life is too easy without at least one Ironman / year. Petteri Gr

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Glad to help….. Good luck.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sam Thanks for you advice about the importance of staying hydrated and eating carbohydrates during the long runs.  Yesterday I ran 22 miles, drinking twice as much water as I used to and sucking on a few butterscotch sweets along the way for the carbohydrates.  I had no problems with hitting the wall and as a result I feel more confident about doing my first Marathon in mid April. Thanks again. Mark

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Try some type of carbo gel.  You might find it more energizing than candies, due to its long chain carbs. JW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sam Thanks for you advice about the importance of staying hydrated and eating carbohydrates during the long runs.  Yesterday I ran 22 miles, drinking twice as much water as I used to and sucking on a few butterscotch sweets along the way for the carbohydrates.  I had no problems with hitting the wall and as a result I feel more confident about doing my first Marathon in mid April. Thanks again. Mark

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I’m training to run the London Marathon but I’ve only managed to complete one run over 20 miles.  Every other time I’ve tried to achieve this distance, I fade badly at around 16 miles and can’t run any further.  My lungs feel great and I don’t feel that tired but my legs just don’t seem to want to run any further.  Has anyone got any advice about what I can do to improve on my performance. Thanks Mark

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Be hydrated before running Hydrate while running Be carb loaded before starting the run Eat carbs early and often in the run (or take carbs in a sports drink) evaluate training program a good deal of the time "hitting the wall" is associated with drops in blood glucose and glycogen depletion.  The body can carry about 2 hours of glycogen so once past that you rely on fatty acid oxidation more heavily (fat burns in the fire of carbohydrate as the saying goes) and fat oxidation is not as efficient.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m training to run the London Marathon but I’ve only managed to complete one run over 20 miles.  Every other time I’ve tried to achieve this distance, I fade badly at around 16 miles and can’t run any further.  My lungs feel great and I don’t feel that tired but my legs just don’t seem to want to run any further.  Has anyone got any advice about what I can do to improve on my performance. Thanks Mark

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If you’re new to marathoning, maybe one completed 20-mile run is the best you can do this time. The worst thing you can do in that case is tire yourself out repeatedly trying to do it again.  One thing that might work is to walk 26 as quick as you can in the next few days.  This is not as crazy as it might sound.  It gives you an awareness of what 26 feels like – and will help with stamina. Julie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m training to run the London Marathon but I’ve only managed to complete one run over 20 miles.  Every other time I’ve tried to achieve this distance, I fade badly at around 16 miles and can’t run any further.  My lungs feel great and I don’t feel that tired but my legs just don’t seem to want to run any further.  Has anyone got any advice about what I can do to improve on my performance. Thanks Mark

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Marathon conditions are different than any training run. The excitement of other runners and spectators could either help or hurt you. Help you by giving you extra psychic energy to finish the race; Hurt you by making go to hard at the beginning and burning out too early. The best marathon training to have run a marathon. Otherwise it sounds like you’ve doen reasonable training so far and just need go out and try it. It could be be easier or harder than you think. Before you buy.

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Mark, Although it may be too late to try before your race, you might consider slowing the pace of your training long runs to 1.5 to 2.0 minutes per miler slower than race pace. Also, take a few walking breaks whenever you feel like it. Then over time, you can gradully build up to 18,20, or even 26 mile training runs. There is nothing magic about 20 or even 26 miles, the wall is just beyond  what your body is used to. Remember that many ultrarunners do 40-50 mile training runs every month. Rock. Great Floridian Triathlon (4 times: best: 12:28) Old Dominion 100 mile run (1 time: 28:59) * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Sam Thanks for you advice about the importance of staying hydrated and eating carbohydrates during the long runs.  Yesterday I ran 22 miles, drinking twice as much water as I used to and sucking on a few butterscotch sweets along the way for the carbohydrates.  I had no problems with hitting the wall and as a result I feel more confident about doing my first Marathon in mid April. Thanks again. Mark

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New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

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Been there, done that.  I’m not a doc, but you may have a stress fracture.  See the doc.  Your orthotics and/or shoes may need to be changed. Both times I had a stress fracture it took me 16 weeks to recover.  I trained lightly throughout, but only really felt better in the last 4 weeks or so each time.  Sounds like my problems were not as painful as yours, though, so maybe you would be better avised to lay off until you get medical advice (which I never got but would have gotten had the pain been worse or had I not started to heal over time–in my case I didn’t want someone to tell me not to run!). Whether you can run or not, perhaps you can ride and swim and keep your conditioning that way. –Lee Crumbaugh (Tri-Hard) New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

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My golden rule for shinsplints:  they will nearly always go away, If you consult a competent physical therapist with a running clientele.  Get a referral from the chief of the Athletic Treatment Center of the nearest university to you with a decent track and field program. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:38 AM Message from the Deja.com forum:  rec.sport.triathlon  Your subscription is set to individual email delivery New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy. Shin-splints are the pits! During last summer I was on a constant diet of ibuprofen just so I could race once a fortnight. My shin-splints were so bad at the beginning of the year that if I ran down the road, I would wake in the night with the pain. There also seems to be a disproportionate amount of nonsense spouted about them too – so take my advice with a pinch of salt. How is running without your orthotics? I have seen people with knee problems use orthotics for that reason only to develop shin-splints. From what I have experienced and seen in others, I’d say that most shin-splints are caused by a misalignment of the fore-foot relative to the heal. Hence if you have an over pronating heal causing knee problems and correct this, you may end up with your fore-foot misaligned. If you have flat feet, you may find that your fore-foot is more pronated than your heel – this would cause medial splints. My golden rules of shin-splints: 1. They never really go away 2. Use ibuprofen gell frequently – to bring down swelling as well as ease the pain 3. Orthoses can help but usually don’t 4. Don’t run so much 5. If you must run – WARM UP THOSE SHINS!!! 6. If you must run do bricks 7. (this one may not work for you – but it does for me) better to do one fifteen mile run a week than three five mile runs – my shin-splints seem to be cumulative, so it is best to let the swelling go down. 8. loose some weight — Baker Atlas GEOScience      Tel: +44 (0)208 202 2433 154 Brent Street,           FAX: +44 (0)208 202 2287 London, NW4 2DR, ENGLAND.   WWW: http://www.zands.com  Deja.com: Before you buy.  * To modify or remove your subscription, go to  * Read this thread at

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Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that shin splints are caused by a muscle imbalance–the calf muscle overpowers the muscle that opposes it (since muscles always work in pairs) and begins to pull at the bone, causing the pain. Running stairs or a similar motion–like toe-lifts off of a step–strengthens the opposing muscle and should clear up the pain in a week or so. If you’re a new runner, get ahold of a good book about athletic injury prevention–mine has saved me months of grief over the years!

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New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

Shin-splints are the pits! During last summer I was on a constant diet of ibuprofen just so I could race once a fortnight. My shin-splints were so bad at the beginning of the year that if I ran down the road, I would wake in the night with the pain. There also seems to be a disproportionate amount of nonsense spouted about them too – so take my advice with a pinch of salt. How is running without your orthotics? I have seen people with knee problems use orthotics for that reason only to develop shin-splints. From what I have experienced and seen in others, I’d say that most shin-splints are caused by a misalignment of the fore-foot relative to the heal. Hence if you have an over pronating heal causing knee problems and correct this, you may end up with your fore-foot misaligned. If you have flat feet, you may find that your fore-foot is more pronated than your heel – this would cause medial splints. My golden rules of shin-splints: 1. They never really go away 2. Use ibuprofen gell frequently – to bring down swelling as well as ease the pain 3. Orthoses can help but usually don’t 4. Don’t run so much 5. If you must run – WARM UP THOSE SHINS!!! 6. If you must run do bricks 7. (this one may not work for you – but it does for me) better to do one fifteen mile run a week than three five mile runs – my shin-splints seem to be cumulative, so it is best to let the swelling go down. 8. loose some weight — Baker Atlas GEOScience      Tel: +44 (0)208 202 2433 154 Brent Street,           FAX: +44 (0)208 202 2287 London, NW4 2DR, ENGLAND.   WWW: http://www.zands.com

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Graham was also the race director for a the world championship in Canada in 1991.  I recall that it was a great race. Tom Ziebart – Orlando Regional Sports & Health

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Ken: Graham Fraser is the owner of "Ironman Canada". "Ironman Canada" is part of the "World Triathlon Corporation’s" Ironman series. That should explain his position with the "ITU". Graham and his staff put on some of the most respected triathlon events in world. His group also owns the "President’s Choice" series. Best regards- Keith Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits www.ironmanwetsuits.com (804) 288-6000 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Triathlon Digest reported this AM that the Newfoundland ITU Triathlon will NOT be covered by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) because their proposed commentator, Graham Fraser, is not "in favour" with the ITU. Does anyone know what Graham Fraser did, to offend the ITU to the point that they would take such action? Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Without ego, there would be no war. — Mark (Come to think of it, never have been a union man, either.) Keith Simmons wrote … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ken: Graham Fraser is the owner of "Ironman Canada". "Ironman Canada" is part of the "World Triathlon Corporation’s" Ironman series. That should explain his position with the "ITU". Graham and his staff put on some of the most respected triathlon events in world. His group also owns the "President’s Choice" series. Best regards- Keith

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: That should explain his position with the "ITU". Graham and his staff put on : some of the most respected triathlon events in world. His group also owns : the "President’s Choice" series. Not to mention, he has GREAT taste in conga music…. — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Persist, Persevere, Deny, Pursue, Pain, Survive, Ignore, Endure, Strive, Laugh, Cry, Live, Prevail, Scream, Sweat, Bleed, Sustain, Learn, Ascend, Give, Get, GO!  30 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘98

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Graham Fraser runs Tri-Sport Promotions based in Southern Ontario, Canada, and has for at least ten years conducted a high quality race series in that corner of the world.  Included in that series is the Muskoka Triathlon, and the Peterborough 1/2IM race. A few years ago he bought the Ironman Canada franchise. He is one of the finest RD’s I know.  A true gentleman.  Definitely not of Les’ ilk. Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Triathlon Digest reported this AM that the Newfoundland ITU Triathlon will NOT be covered by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) because their proposed commentator, Graham Fraser, is not "in favour" with the ITU. Does anyone know what Graham Fraser did, to offend the ITU to the point that they would take such action? I dunno who he is, but if he’s "not in favour" with the ITU he’s OK in my book! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie

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Triathlon Digest reported this AM that the Newfoundland ITU Triathlon will NOT be covered by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) because their proposed commentator, Graham Fraser, is not "in favour" with the ITU. Does anyone know what Graham Fraser did, to offend the ITU to the point that they would take such action? Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Triathlon Digest reported this AM that the Newfoundland ITU Triathlon will NOT be covered by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) because their proposed commentator, Graham Fraser, is not "in favour" with the ITU. Does anyone know what Graham Fraser did, to offend the ITU to the point that they would take such action?

I dunno who he is, but if he’s "not in favour" with the ITU he’s OK in my book! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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: Just how the heck do you get thrown out of the store for : just shopping?  I’m curious to hear *why* they kicked you : out.  You were, what, eating all the Power Bars? I think it has something to do with the notion you are supposed to be dedicated to one shop because they give your club a 10% discount off HIGH Retail, which puts you back at about retail

If you visit another store and see the lower prices there, you won’t buy from him.  If you aren’t a potential buyer, he doesn’t want you in the store.

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Probably has something to do with whether he had too much the night before also, he is not the most stable individual in the retail business. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :       I’d feel teamtx’s response could be somewhat biased or impacted : by the fact that he races for a team sponsored by PCF…  I raced for Before you start stating facts, ya otta have your facts straight.  The facts are I have no ties to PC&F, and fact is numerous people have been thrown out of Richardson Bikemart because they purchased items at other stores.  In fact, Jim Hoyt has thrown his own team members and employees outta his store.  I wouldn’t call him a humanitarian    Actually, I would.  Some of the incidents you’re talking about go FAR beyond "they bought something at another store".  If that’s the assertion you’re trying to make, then it’s YOU that really needs to get their facts straight.  If you’re in the store on a Saturday with no intention of buying anything, taking up the time of the employees he’s paying for, when it’s the "prime time" for his business, he has every right to ask you to leave so that he and his employees can service his customers.  I’ve never had a problem, but I do respect that the store is his place of business.    I’ve seen Jim donate lots of time, money, services, support for cycling and triathlons in Dallas, support for local teams, support for Special Olympics, and more.  So I *would* call him a humanitarian. – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Montagar Software Concepts           |Fone: (972)-578-5036 P. O. Box 260772, Plano, TX 75026    |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/               –==** E-Mail filtered by WhiteICE <<**==–

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I wish I lived in TEXAS, here in Washington you get kicked out of the USCF club if you don’t accept the 10% off for a net of a 30% increase. Then you race unattached if ya haven’t puked and still want to race. and really all I did was ask if there was a warranty, I never said I was going to buy it mail order save a bundle and actually have someone honor a replacement policy for a factory defect. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Just how the heck do you get thrown out of the store for : just shopping?  I’m curious to hear *why* they kicked you : out.  You were, what, eating all the Power Bars? I think it has something to do with the notion you are supposed to be dedicated to one shop because they give your club a 10% discount off HIGH Retail, which puts you back at about retail    More facts for you to get straight.  RBM provides its teams with far more than just a 10% discount.  They provide a tidy sum each month to the team bank account.  They provide prize money for races (I’ve bet some of the money you’ve put into your pocket came right from Jim, right?), mechanics, transporation, logistics, there helping out where he can.    Jim and Rhonda work hard for the teams they support.    Maybe I could save a couple of bucks shopping elsewhere.  But I know a chunk of that money goes back into the community.  That and the service is worth it.  Jim sent one of his employees to pick me up in McKinney one time after I had a problem with my bike.  Believe me, I really appreciated that.  You don’t get that with mail-order. – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Montagar Software Concepts           |Fone: (972)-578-5036 P. O. Box 260772, Plano, TX 75026    |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/               –==** E-Mail filtered by WhiteICE <<**==–

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: Just how the heck do you get thrown out of the store for : just shopping?  I’m curious to hear *why* they kicked you : out.  You were, what, eating all the Power Bars? I think it has something to do with the notion you are supposed to be dedicated to one shop because they give your club a 10% discount off HIGH Retail, which puts you back at about retail

        More facts for you to get straight.  RBM provides its teams with far more than just a 10% discount.  They provide a tidy sum each month to the team bank account.  They provide prize money for races (I’ve bet some of the money you’ve put into your pocket came right from Jim, right?), mechanics, transporation, logistics, there helping out where he can.         Jim and Rhonda work hard for the teams they support.         Maybe I could save a couple of bucks shopping elsewhere.  But I know a chunk of that money goes back into the community.  That and the service is worth it.  Jim sent one of his employees to pick me up in McKinney one time after I had a problem with my bike.  Believe me, I really appreciated that.  You don’t get that with mail-order. – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Montagar Software Concepts           |Fone: (972)-578-5036 P. O. Box 260772, Plano, TX 75026    |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/               –==** E-Mail filtered by WhiteICE <<**==–

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:       I’d feel teamtx’s response could be somewhat biased or impacted : by the fact that he races for a team sponsored by PCF…  I raced for Before you start stating facts, ya otta have your facts straight.  The facts are I have no ties to PC&F, and fact is numerous people have been thrown out of Richardson Bikemart because they purchased items at other stores.  In fact, Jim Hoyt has thrown his own team members and employees outta his store.  I wouldn’t call him a humanitarian

        Actually, I would.  Some of the incidents you’re talking about go FAR beyond "they bought something at another store".  If that’s the assertion you’re trying to make, then it’s YOU that really needs to get their facts straight.  If you’re in the store on a Saturday with no intention of buying anything, taking up the time of the employees he’s paying for, when it’s the "prime time" for his business, he has every right to ask you to leave so that he and his employees can service his customers.  I’ve never had a problem, but I do respect that the store is his place of business.         I’ve seen Jim donate lots of time, money, services, support for cycling and triathlons in Dallas, support for local teams, support for Special Olympics, and more.  So I *would* call him a humanitarian. – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Montagar Software Concepts           |Fone: (972)-578-5036 P. O. Box 260772, Plano, TX 75026    |http://www.montagar.com/~davidc/               –==** E-Mail filtered by WhiteICE <<**==–

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I don’t know, I have been thrown out of Bike Mart on several occassions as have many others I know because we didn’t buy something from the Mart.  Plano Cycling & Fitness, however, is great in my opinion. It is a family owned business, which has been around for a long time. Just how the heck do you get thrown out of the store for just shopping?  I’m curious to hear *why* they kicked you out.  You were, what, eating all the Power Bars? — Ed Dravecky III =<*= This message was part of a complex plot

It wouldn’t be too hard to imagine a conversation like this: Sales Rep: Can I help you? You: Erh, just lookin’ around. SR: May I show you the door, please? This is a store, not an exhibit. We’d like to keep it in mint condition, with minimal amount of human occupancy. Rong (Yeah, I know I am bored

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:       I’d feel teamtx’s response could be somewhat biased or impacted : by the fact that he races for a team sponsored by PCF…  I raced for Before you start stating facts, ya otta have your facts straight.  The facts are I have no ties to PC&F, and fact is numerous people have been thrown out of Richardson Bikemart because they purchased items at other stores.  In fact, Jim Hoyt has thrown his own team members and employees outta his store.  I wouldn’t call him a humanitarian RR —

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Lakewood Cycle in Dallas, TX, USA, has treated me so wrong as a customer, I want to let everyone know. On 8/1/97, I purchased 2 flick stands (plus other things) from them to use on my two bikes (both hybrids).  Once home, noticed that they were the wrong size.  I attempted to return on 8/5/97, but they claimed they could not issue credit back on my Visa. They had nothing else I could use in their store. I phoned and tried once more on 8/6/97, this time with the owner. This time worse since the guy accused me of having a attitude as well. The total refund would be of only US$20.18. I will report to the BBB and dispute the charges with Visa, but I want all to know the kind of service to expect from this retailer.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : That’s why Richardson Bike Mart and Plano Cycling and Fitness do so : well. They treat their customers like kings. Of course, I’ve bought a I don’t know, I have been thrown out of Bike Mart on several occassions as have many others I know because we didn’t buy something from the Mart. Plano Cycling & Fitness, however, is great in my opinion. It is a family owned business, which has been around for a long time. RR —

All I know is that I have bought 2 bikes at Bike Mart in the past 8 years and they keep calling me to check up on the bikes to make sure they are in tip top shape and to offer a free tune up on the bikes (handlebar tape, wheel truing, frame straightening, etc…).  Don’t know why you’ve been thrown out or why you would even be going in there if you weren’t looking to buy a bike or even the little Power Bars they sell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I  heard they kill puppies : That’s why Richardson Bike Mart and Plano Cycling and Fitness do so : well. They treat their customers like kings. Of course, I’ve bought a I don’t know, I have been thrown out of Bike Mart on several occassions as have many others I know because we didn’t buy something from the Mart. Plano Cycling & Fitness, however, is great in my opinion. It is a family owned business, which has been around for a long time. RR —

And wherein does the problem lie here??

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I  heard they kill puppies And wherein does the problem lie here??

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I  heard they kill puppies – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : That’s why Richardson Bike Mart and Plano Cycling and Fitness do so : well. They treat their customers like kings. Of course, I’ve bought a I don’t know, I have been thrown out of Bike Mart on several occassions as have many others I know because we didn’t buy something from the Mart. Plano Cycling & Fitness, however, is great in my opinion. It is a family owned business, which has been around for a long time. RR —

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:       I’d feel teamtx’s response could be somewhat biased or impacted : by the fact that he races for a team sponsored by PCF…  I raced for Before you start stating facts, ya otta have your facts straight.  The facts are I have no ties to PC&F, and fact is numerous people have been thrown out of Richardson Bikemart because they purchased items at other stores.  In fact, Jim Hoyt has thrown his own team members and employees outta his store.  I wouldn’t call him a humanitarian

Speaking of getting your facts straight!! I have purchased bicycles from both stores, and the owners of both stores are well aware that I purchase bikes from the other guy. Jim Hoyt and the Richardson Bike Mart supports cycling in so many ways–here are just a few: –Team sponsorship. RBM supports Matrix (a USCF club) and Tri-Dallas (a triathlon club), among others. –Race sponsorship. RBM supports every triathlon in the Dallas area, period. –Ride sponsorship. RBM provides ride leadership and a place to start and end for about six rides a week from their two stores. Not to mention their support for bike tours and rallies in the area. –Community sponsorship. RBM loaned about a dozen bicycles to a summer camp for children suffering from serious, potentially terminal diseases. Not only did they loan the bikes, but they carried them to the camp and picked them up as well. These are just the things I know about and can attest to personally. Plano Cycling does many of the same things. When I bought my Comotion from Plano, Jim Hoyt, smiling, came to me a little later and slapped me on the back, saying "I hear we lost one to the other guys." That’s not exactly throwing me out, now is it? Sure, he hated to lose the sale, but his respect for me is why he has sold me bikes before and why he will sell me bikes (and, God help me, parts) in the future. But Jim has been known to get into it with racers who sometimes forget that he and his employees depend on that store for putting groceries on the table. Racers and other "regulars" can sometimes extract a lot of favors without showing much loyalty in return. I for one can imagine why a bike shop owner would get frustrated with that. For example, racers who poke around the back room and in parts bins, etc., and monopolize employees on weekends when the store is crowded with real customers. I’m as guilty as anyone, and we all have to realize that we have priveleges at bike shops that can be abused. And our status as loyal customers does not provide the excuse to abuse those priveleges. In my experience, however, bike shops survive long-term by bringing happy customers back over and over again. RBM has a proven track record in that department among citizens, club riders, and racers alike. That has to be earned.

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I don’t know, I have been thrown out of Bike Mart on several occassions as have many others I know because we didn’t buy something from the Mart.  Plano Cycling & Fitness, however, is great in my opinion. It is a family owned business, which has been around for a long time.

Just how the heck do you get thrown out of the store for just shopping?  I’m curious to hear *why* they kicked you out.  You were, what, eating all the Power Bars? — Ed Dravecky III =<*= This message was part of a complex plot

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Those are indeed, some nice results!! Steve Fleck

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Anyone hear results from Nice, France – 1997 World Long Course Championships. Please post to group or notify me directly. Cheers, Mike — Mike Sandomirsky Executive Director Alberta Triathlon Association Alberta, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TOP 10 RESULTS ITU ARENA LONG DISTANCE TRIATHLON WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS Nice, France Women:     1.   Ines Estedt, GER           6.12.04 2.   Isabelle Mouthon, FRA      6.19.04 3.   Virgina Berasategui, ESP   6.23.33 4.   Christine de Wit, NED      6.31.10 5.   Mieke Suys, BEL            6.33.38 6.   Beatrice Mouthon, FRA      6.35.14 7.   Marie Overbye, DEN         6.35.47 8.   Kari Bailey, CAN           6.38.13 9.   Juliana Nievergelt, USA    6.43.30 10.  Veronique Chastel, FRA     6:47:18 1.   Luc van Lierde, BEL        5.35.44 2.   Rob Barel, NED             5.39.48 3.   Jean Chis Guinchard, SUI   5.41.00 4.   Peter Sandvang, DEN        5.43.08 5.   Christoph Mauch, SUI       5.46.43 6.   Gilles Reboul, FRA         5.48.02 7.   Andreas Niedrig, GER       5.49.44 8.   Vassilis Krommidas, GRE    5.49.56 9.   Olivier Marceau, FRA       5.50.10 10.  Xavier Galea, FRA          5.51.37

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I’ve never tried this , but if you are using a keg system, you can take dry hops and suspend them in a big tea bag with a piece of dental floss. this is called dry hopping.

There once was an article in  ymrgy where guys were injecting various strength hop teas into kegs. I don’t know which issue. It was several years ago. Bill Crick Brewius,Ergo Sum!

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I’ve never tried this , but if you are using a keg system, you can take dry hops and suspend them in a big tea bag with a piece of dental floss. this is called dry hopping.

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I’d use a very high alpha hop like eroica. I dont think hop oils are good for bittering. Not sure about extracts – but I would’nt use those I think they are extracted with some nasty chemical process. Personally I’d just leave it and drink it as is. Failing this, How about brewing up a second batch and making it extra hoppy to compensate. Then when you want a beer you just have to open one of each and mix them together! as they say.."Relax – have two homebrews"

I like this latter idea!  A great excuse to drink 2!  I brewed a honey porter once that was way, way too sweet (realized that I didn’t have enough hops after I was boiling and did the calculations).  I tried adding a few drop of hop oil to each glass as I drank it, and it didn’t seem to help much.  Thus, I just reserved the bottles for special occasions and tell everyone who doesn’t know better that it’s some exotic brew that they have to learn to like (some actually believe this!).  Anyway, now I plan to get really relaxed and drink 2 tonight. — Marty Miller (aka The Noodle) Proprietor of "The Triathlete’s Web" http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html

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Hi Stephen, I’m a hophead and like my Pilsner’s brewed with an HBU between 12-15 during the boil.  Like an idiot I failed to read the Alpha % on hop varieties that I had been using previously and later found that the Alpha % dropped on the latest packets I bought .  I ended up with about 8 HBU’s.   Is there a remedy that I can implement prior bottling time??

Your ideas sounded OK but it might extract better into a quart or so of water (I know – it’ll lighten the beer a little but not much). I’d use a very high alpha hop like eroica. I dont think hop oils are good for bittering. Not sure about extracts – but I would’nt use those I think they are extracted with some nasty chemical process. Personally I’d just leave it and drink it as is. Failing this, How about brewing up a second batch and making it extra hoppy to compensate. Then when you want a beer you just have to open one of each and mix them together! as they say.."Relax – have two homebrews" MikeS

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Underhopped? …. my condolences!  

…  1. Can I siphon off about a quart from my seconadary (or water) and  boil in 4-6 HBU’s of hops and add it back to the secondary prior to  bottling.  I can’t think of a problem since the boiling will drive off  any Oxygen.  Is 1 quart enough to absorb 4-6 HBU’s that can be added  back to my 5 gallon secondary? Never tried any of this, but sounds basically feasable (but a big pain). With 1 quart of wort, alpa acid extraction efficiency will be quite low, so you might want to look at some formula to calculate desired effect. (Definitely check out Tinseth’s hop page, http://www.teleport.com/~gtinseth/index.html, if you don’t know that one already.)  Of course, you will also drive off all alcohol and likely blast to oblivion most of the more subtle flavours in that 1 quart.    2. What about hop extracts or hop oils?  Can I use these to increase  the HBU’s to my ultimate goal. Snake oil ?!  (Gachk)  Can’t imagine that being good for bittering other than in very tiny (ie non hop-head) amounts .  Sounds "un-pure" to a hop head like me!  3.  Will pellets, plugs, or whole hops work best for this recovery  plan?  Should I use a small amount of high Alpha hops or more of low  Alpha hops?  Or should I use the same as the origional (ie Saaz) Probably best to stick with the original type(s). I’d go with pellet since aa extraction efficiency is higher.   Sounds like a BIG pain though, and fraught with risk.  I’d just drink it! May all your worts be hoppy, Peter Bell-Northern Research                     Nobody else wants them.  

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I’m a hophead and like my Pilsner’s brewed with an HBU between 12-15 during the boil.  Like an idiot I failed to read the Alpha % on hop varieties that I had been using previously and later found that the Alpha % dropped on the latest packets I bought .  I ended up with about 8 HBU’s.   Is there a remedy that I can implement prior bottling time?? 1. Can I siphon off about a quart from my seconadary (or water) and boil in 4-6 HBU’s of hops and add it back to the secondary prior to bottling.  I can’t think of a problem since the boiling will drive off any Oxygen.  Is 1 quart enough to absorb 4-6 HBU’s that can be added back to my 5 gallon secondary? 2. What about hop extracts or hop oils?  Can I use these to increase the HBU’s to my ultimate goal. 3.  Will pellets, plugs, or whole hops work best for this recovery plan?  Should I use a small amount of high Alpha hops or more of low Alpha hops?  Or should I use the same as the origional (ie Saaz) Thanks in advance for any advice, Dave

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The format came out wrong on this.  Any suggestions on how to clean it up? sorry.

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Has the issue of the legality of the Ironman lottery ever been adequately addressed?  I have some real concerns that it could be deemed an illegal lottery under most (if not all) state laws.  The three-part test for an illegal lottery is consideration, chance and a prize.  The first two are obviously met (e.g., passport club fee, general lottery fee, and a random drawing).  The latter may or may not be present, if you deem an entry as something of value.   Just some throughts to ponder for all of you legal types out there. — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://www.iac.net/~miller/triweb.html

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To: rec.sport.triathlon Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: The World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) owns Ironman with all the rights that entails. I view WTC also as the custodian of a portion o= f the total pie that is the soul of Ironman beyond the concept of the balance sheet. As custodians of a portion of the soul pie ther= e are obligations in relation to their business policy and perogatives. WTC enhances or diminishes their specific custodial portion = of the spirit through practices and policies that they are entitled to control as a function of ownership. The soul of Ironman belongs to everyone who shares its spirit. Triathletes think of themselves as majority owners in this regard but=  we always give a big ovation to the volunteers and recognize their participation as well as the race staff, spectators and everyone=  connected with the race including the sponsors. Our best personal ovation is given to those who support us most. Ironman encompasse= s alot of people, past and present that have made it what it is today. WTC has a legal right to portion out qualifiers any way they want, I suppose. On the other hand this is one of the things that direc= tly relates to the spirit of the sport and they should consider that as well as consistency with their own policy. That is the premise I want to present for further discussion. I believe that the WTC Passport lottery conflicts to some degree not only with their own intent for this lottery but the general spi= rit of Ironman. If we think we are big shareholders in the spirit and view WTC as accountable for their custodianship of part of the=  spirit then their feet should be held to the fire if necessary. RST provides a forum for warming feet. I would like to offer this thread for discussion. Offering a lead in the thread is like casti= ng feathers in the wind. Once cast they have a life of their own and don’t belong to the one that tossed them. If this one flies and=  RST’ers join to take a pull I would like to take the final lead and wrap it up with a letter to WTC. WTC Passport lottery gives everyone in the USA a chance to do Ironman Kona. The intent is to let the person who could not otherwise = win a qualifier get a try at the big one. WTC statements (sometimes defensive) in prior publications, as well as in Inside Ironman (= their official newsletter) promote the idea of offering a once in a lifetime experience through the lottery. About 20% of the 185 lucky winners last year had done Ironman Kona once or more before. About 30% of all California winners. This da= ta is obtained by comparing the list of winners in Inside Ironman to the bios of participants handed out at Kona. The bio info is pr= obably drawn from the info sheets we submit. If prior Ironman races are not included in our input they would not show in the program=  The percent of prior participants may therefore be more than 20%. Take your own lottery list and do your own analysis on this year= s winners when you get the bio in Kona. The lottery, in general, is a dead horse well beaten. The outcome of the beating was a staunch defense on the part of WTC. They woul= d continue the lottery, period. I say beat it again, with a new stick. If WTC is true to what it says or even implies then exclude all prior Kona Ironmen from participation in the lottery. This takes a b= it of soul searching for some of us to support but think about it, I have been there too. Think about the spirit and if there must b= e a lottery let’s step back and let others participate. What is it to many of us but a back up to not winning a qualifier? Let’s tak= e the 50 bucks, invest in titanium and give a friend a shot. Really make it an opportunity for a ONCE IN A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE. This=  puts WTC between a rock and a hard place. WTC can say: We mean what we say and support what we imply. Then turn on the asterisk for qualification: What we said was experience=  of a lifetime not once in a life time experience. Read their newsletter and decide which variation of this idea they are promoting.=  If prior Ironmen are excluded, fewer would try the lottery. We are talking money here. We are also talking something else. The outc= ome looks difficult for WTC. It is hard to defend a noble objective (more implied than real) yet continue it in the face of denying = a more noble objective. Are you fulfilling a life long dream by giving 20% to those that did it before? Can you have your cake and e= at it too? This is one of those areas where they are a custodian of part of the Ironman spirit and it looks like spirit meets busine= ss head on. I propose: a. Reduce the number of Ironman Passport lottery spots by a percent that went to prior participants in Ironman. b. Put those spots into more qualifying races or put them in age groups that did not get a fair overall allocation of qualifiers las= t year. c. Continue to offer the Passport lottery with reduced spots but only to those that have never done Kona. or, d. Keep the same number of Passport lottery slots, exclude those that did Kona before and give a greater chance for a once in a life= time experience to more triathletes. There are other points I would like to make but this is sufficient to spread the feathers to the wind. If, in fact, this lead flies = I can become just one more guy to take a pull in the pace line with the remaining points. I launch this now in hope that it may be discussed at Kona this year and may reach WTC ears there. Finally! I ask for sensitivity to those who were fortunate enough to win the lottery this year and participate in the experience of = a lifetime. They won in accordance with the rules of entry and chance, regardless of whether they were there before or not. I person= ally would be proud to be on the course with anyone that had the courage to face the challenge. They won their qualifier in a differ= ent manner and have no less of a right to be there. Others will have a different opinion and may express it. Consider the spirit of = the sport before any comments that might diminish a lottery winner’s feeling of participation and equal accomplishment at the finish=  line. Respect on race day should and will be mutual, make it so now. If you are a lottery winner – have a great race and keep in mind it is a chance that lets you show what you’ve got. You win if you g= ive everything you have. I would like to see a different set of lottery rules next year. Offline input to me is fine. Tim Lester tel: 503-388-4203 fax: same, voice first followed by fumbling with the computer.

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I sincerely apologize to this group for the inappropriate posting  yesterday. I was very excited about the shared information and errored in thinking all would welcome it. I do NOT sell the product.   rere is something I hope the group can use: .I am not an expert on these matters, but an old friend of mine has just sent me some very interesting information about what has been going on. He has been working down in Texas with a company that has just produced

I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY WITH ALL THESE "NET POLICE"!!!!!! This posting was 100% ok! Would the people who feel it is their duty to flame any posting that just might have something to do with commercial ventures PLEASE STOP!?!?!? This posting never tried to sell anybody anything.  Even if it did the internet is open to this kind of thing.  Deal with it. If we, in rec.sport.triathlon, want to create a "bylaw" that discourages "posting for money" then we can do that.  Until then people are free to post what they want. —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (303) 229-3117

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I sincerely apologize to this group for the inappropriate posting  yesterday. I was very excited about the shared information and errored in thinking all would welcome it. I do NOT sell the product.   rere is something I hope the group can use:

.I am not an expert on these matters, but an old friend of mine has just – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sent me some very interesting information about what has been going on. He has been working down in Texas with a company that has just produced

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| | I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY WITH ALL THESE "NET POLICE"!!!!!! | | This posting was 100% ok! | | Would the people who feel it is their duty to flame any posting that just | might have something to do with commercial ventures PLEASE STOP!?!?!? | | This posting never tried to sell anybody anything.  Even if it did the | internet is open to this kind of thing.  Deal with it. | | If we, in rec.sport.triathlon, want to create a "bylaw" that discourages | "posting for money" then we can do that.  Until then people are free to | post what they want. The original post, as well as the apology was posted to several groups. So it doesn’t necessarily follow that anyone who reads this group got on John’s case. — Ontario Telepresence Project, 2670 Queensview Dr., Ottawa, ON, K2B 8K1, CANADA

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