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My revised predictions for Seville’99: (100mM) Greene, Surin, Fredericks (100mW) Marion Jones, Pintussevich, Alozie (200mM) Fredericks, Greene, Obikwelu (200mW) Marion Jones, Pintussevich, Inger Miller (400mM) Johnson, Young, Pettigrew (400mW) Tirlea, Ogunkoa, Breuer (800mM) Kipketer, Kimutai, Sepeng (800mW) Masterkova, Mutola, Tsyganova (1500mM) El Guerroj, Ngeny, Lagat (1500mW) Masterkova, Jacobs, Beclea-Szekely (5000mM) Komen, Hissou, Limo (5000mW) Szabo, Ouaziz, Ribeiro (10000mM) Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (10000mW) Radcliff, Loroupe, Malot (20kWM) Garcia, Martinez, Sanchez (20KWW) Ryashkina, Nikolaeva, Cimpean (50KWM) Korepanov, Matyuhin, Lipiec (MaraM) Roncero, Thys, Anton (MaraW) Roba, Machado, Suzuki (110mHM) Creer, Johnson, Anier Garcia (100mHW) Shishigina, Engquist, Alozie (400mHM) Herbert, Matete, Taylor (400mHW) Bidouane, Tirlea, Tereschuk-Antipova (SteepleM) Barmasai, Paul Kosgei, Boit (HJM) Smith, Buss, Voronin (HJW) Storbeck-Cloete, Iagar-Dinescu, Elesina (PVM) Tarasov, Hartwig, Lobinger (PVW) Balakhonova, Dragila, George (LJM) Pedroso, Bedford, Lamela (LJW) Jones, Galkina, May (TJM) Edwards, Kapustin, Quesada (TJW) Lebedeva, Tsiamita, Aldama (SPM) Godina, Hunter, Bagach (SPW) Krivelyova, Kumbernuss, Kleinert (DTM) Riedel, Alekna, Washington (DTW) Sadova, Dietzsch, Grasu (HTM) Gocsek, Kobs, Skvaruk (HTW) Melinte, Kuzenkova, Konstantinova (JTM) Makarov, Gatsioudis, Parviainen (JTW) Solberg-Hattestad, Damaske, Menendez (DECAM) Dvorak, Sebrle, Busemann (HEPTW) Braun, Barber, Lewis (4×100mM) USA, Canada, Great Britain (4×100mW) USA, Jamaica, France (4×400mM) USA, Great Britain, Jamaica (4×400mW) Russia, USA, Germany – Oleg
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The last word on television coverage….true that Canadian television didn’t cover the last World Champs, however in case all you alls down there in the USA haven’t heard any news about who the next candidate for the World Champs is, you should know it is Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, who just kicked "Amurican" butt again when they totally outclassed Stanford in the bid process. Edmonton will be the first ever site to host the World T & F champs in August 2001. Word around the IOC and IATA is that we may never see another Olympics, Soccer World Cup or World Track And Field Championships in the USA again now that there has finally been some integrity brought into the bid process. Now, back to Canadian coverage, expect lots of it on Canadian TV as they will be the host broadcaster in Edmonton in 2001, and will be doing this as a warm-up. PS The Edmonton Festival marathon is this coming Sunday, following the route of the proposed world champs course. Also for your information, Edmonton is hosting the World Triathlon Championships in 2001 as well. Look that up on your map, Amuricans, although just like in Columbus’s time, you probably think you will fall off the end of the earth if you go furthur north than Montana!. Heather Fuhr, on the cover of this months Runners World mag, is from a small farming town just outside of Edmonton, contrary to the tag line which says she’s from San Diego, where she is currently training. Have fun down, you’all! Brian from Edmonton. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you look at recent years’ steeple lists, I see you guys talk about "steeple" alot. What is this? Laurie Laurie, The steeple chase is like cross country for the track. It is a race covering 3000m. The runners must clear 36" high barriers, and one of the barriers is situated in front of a water pit. NCAA women will begin competing in the SC in 2001, and the World Championships of 2003 will probably be the first women’s world race. Good question! -Andrew
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TFN is truly the bible of track and field. No publication does it better. I am glad the library has it… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gotta subscribe to T&F news. From what you write it seems to be the only source giving some information about World Champs. All I get are pieces of info from RW Daily News and IAAF site. Thanks for info on Kenyan team Oleg : : ::10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat : won?) : :: Nah! Tergat has cross country, but Gebrselassie owns the track 10k. No : one :: circumnavigates 25 laps like Geb. : :Yeah, but the conditions are not that nice in Seville, heat and hard track : that :Geb hates so much. I know, Geb is "da man" here, therefore I would be : really excited if :someone else won. I like underdogs 
: Well, the Seville distance events are all slated to started after : 10:00pm. The heat should not be a very critical factor in those finals. : Geb will have to live with the track, but perhaps he’ll not pound out a : WR-type performance in favor of a "good-bye, field!" finishing sprint. : : ::110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade : :: Wade’s not on the team. : :Wade’s not on the team? hmm… what about Colin Jackson? : I can see Jackson placing third. : ::3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin : :: I think that Khattabi could beat Martin. To comment on the first : response :: to Oleg’s post, an 8:09 steepler isn’t going to be in the running for the : SC :: gold. Of course, something wierd could happen, but it is unlikely. : Kenyans :: live the steeple chase, and a Kenyan (not necessarily Barmasi; he may be :: getting tired from the Golden League competitions) will most probably : bring :: home the win. Think about it: Barmasi’s pacemakers (Barngetuny, etc.) : run :: in the area of 8:05, and they’re pacemakers. : :Ok, so I put Martin there just cause I thought some guys from Spain might : stand :a chance here. :I’d rather go with Barmasai/Kosgei/Koskei trio… And I can’t even tell : Kosgei from :Koskei I agree that steeple is mostly kenyan sport now, that’s why I am : a bit :pessimistic about Khattabi. :Is Kiptanui running? : If you look at recent years’ steeple lists, you’ll see (KEN) running : straight down the list with one or two acceptions. Svenoy (sorry if I am : missing any punctuation on that name) of Norway has been on there, and the : other acceptions have been Moroccan. : T&FN has predicted a Barmasi-Kosgei-Boit-Khattabi finish. : Here is how the Kenyans will decide their WC team: : The first two placers at nationals get team spots, and a third (and fourth : in the 5k and steeple thanks to their world champion autoqualifiers) is : chosen by selectors. Tergat has a place on the 10k team, Komen is defending : 5k champ, and Wilson Boit is defending steeple champ. : T&FN printed up a World Champs Formchart in their September issue. : However, it is based on data received by July 15. So, Sotomayor is still on : the list, as is Boldon. :Anyone want to try and predict how much "distance" coverage we’ll get in : the US? :– : I think that the US distance coverage will be very sparce unless one of our : men or women pull off some kind of amazing feat. I think that the TV : executives might make an acception for some kind of upset. Barring that, : though, I think we’ll only see complete races of the 1500m down. Don’t : worry, though…we’ll see the 100m and 200m so many times that the total : distance seen will be equivalent to a distance race! : -Andrew — Oleg
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I bet anywhere the coverage is better than in US. Back in Russia they televised all Olympics, GoodWill games and most World Championships (not just athletics and soccer). I mean – one or a couple of "free" basic channels would cover everything. Often you could see qualifying heats as well. Needless to say 5,000 and 10,000m races would be shown in it’s entirety. And newscasts would mention a variety of sports, not just baseball/football/basketball/golf. I bet somewhere in Kenya, people rich enough to own TV sets will be able to see more long-distance coverage than here. Not to mention Morocco or Ethiopia. Oleg.
: :What are you talking about?? Decent Canandian coverage?? Last world :championship Canada didn’t have any coverage, not one second! I ended :up watching crappy american coverage. All they show is american :athletes and 100m. Some one should tell them that there are other world :class athletes competing in other events. : :I’m not sure what the Canadian coverage will be like this year, but I :guess it can’t get any worse. : : How many Grand Prix meets have you seen on American TV this year? I was : fortunate enough to see Sammy Kipketer hang with Geb in the Hengelo 5k, the : El G/Ngeny mile, and many other fantastic races. I saw a few steeple chases : where they only went away to the high jump or javelin for the time it takes : to round one lap. At least the Canadians are showing some track and field. : I can’t comment on Canadian coverage of the last WCs because I was : fortunate enough to have been in London at the time. I left Athens the day : before the competition started (stupid travel itinerary…it wasn’t my idea : to leave then…grrrrr) and was able to watch the steeple HEATS on SKY-TV or : whatever the British sports channel is called. It was wonderful. They also : showed a few triathlons. : -Andrew — Oleg
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And Greene was also lucky that the thief was either unarmed or chose not to resist.
Ok, Greene can’t outrun bullets (or so we think…), but if he got into a hand-to-hand situation I think the odds would be in his favor. He has world class reflexes, speed, and strength. Also, his will to win is very strong. I think he could kick a little Spanish pickpocket ass if he wanted. =) -Andrew
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If you look at recent years’ steeple lists, I see you guys talk about "steeple" alot. What is this? Laurie
Laurie, The steeple chase is like cross country for the track. It is a race covering 3000m. The runners must clear 36" high barriers, and one of the barriers is situated in front of a water pit. NCAA women will begin competing in the SC in 2001, and the World Championships of 2003 will probably be the first women’s world race. Good question! -Andrew
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I see you guys talk about "steeple" alot. What is this? Laurie
Its either the thing on top of a church or else the track and field Steeplechase event with obstacle hurdles and hurdle/water pit. Jennifer – depends on where you’ve heard it: runner or minister? P.S. The term steeplechase derives from the use of church steeples that served as a guide for (English?) horsemen racing over a cross-country course, with the inherent obstacles of a country course.
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What are you talking about?? Decent Canandian coverage?? Last world championship Canada didn’t have any coverage, not one second! I ended up watching crappy american coverage. All they show is american athletes and 100m. Some one should tell them that there are other world class athletes competing in other events. I’m not sure what the Canadian coverage will be like this year, but I guess it can’t get any worse.
How many Grand Prix meets have you seen on American TV this year? I was fortunate enough to see Sammy Kipketer hang with Geb in the Hengelo 5k, the El G/Ngeny mile, and many other fantastic races. I saw a few steeple chases where they only went away to the high jump or javelin for the time it takes to round one lap. At least the Canadians are showing some track and field. I can’t comment on Canadian coverage of the last WCs because I was fortunate enough to have been in London at the time. I left Athens the day before the competition started (stupid travel itinerary…it wasn’t my idea to leave then…grrrrr) and was able to watch the steeple HEATS on SKY-TV or whatever the British sports channel is called. It was wonderful. They also showed a few triathlons. -Andrew
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If you look at recent years’ steeple lists,
I see you guys talk about "steeple" alot. What is this? Laurie
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a thief grabbed Wade’s backpack and made off at top speed. But not 9.79 speed. Greene took off in hot pursuit. Wanna guess who won? "The thief had bad luck," Greene quipped after returning Wade’s pack.
And Greene was also lucky that the thief was either unarmed or chose not to resist. — Terry R. McConnell Mathematics/304B Carnegie/Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-1150
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: :110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade : : Wade’s not on the team. : Wade’s not on the team? hmm… what about Colin Jackson? Hmm, but Wade IS in Seville. What the hell he’s doing there? Just as spectator? Remember this joke – some guy fell asleep on the beach, and left a note by his wallet -"Try and take it, I am the heavyweight boxing champion". When he woke up his wallet was gone and there was another note "Oh yeah? Try and catch me, I am the world’s fastest runner" Here’sa funny story from Runner’s World Daily Issue: Maurice Greene off to fast start in Seville It didn’t take U.S. sprint start Maurice Greene long to show his stuff in Seville, site of the World Track Championships, which begin this weekend. He and teammate/hurdler Larry Wade had barely landed at the Seville airport yesterday afternoon when a thief grabbed Wade’s backpack and made off at top speed. But not 9.79 speed. Greene took off in hot pursuit. Wanna guess who won? "The thief had bad luck," Greene quipped after returning Wade’s pack. "This puts me in a good frame of mind for the championships. At least I know I’m not going to go home empty-handed." — Oleg
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Let’s see how this thing shapes up! Thankfully, I receive Canadian TV, so I will get some decent and recent coverage. My condolences go out to those who will get to only see the men’s 100m repeated for 10 minutes, and a five minute wrap-up of the distance events from 1500m up! -Andrew
What are you talking about?? Decent Canandian coverage?? Last world championship Canada didn’t have any coverage, not one second! I ended up watching crappy american coverage. All they show is american athletes and 100m. Some one should tell them that there are other world class athletes competing in other events. I’m not sure what the Canadian coverage will be like this year, but I guess it can’t get any worse. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Look for Maurice Greene to beat his own 100 w.r. thanks to Surin who will push him so hard. Can Surin pull off the upset? It would be great. Bernard (a Canadian boy)
Surin certainly deserves it. He has been running forever, had the indoor sprinting world record for at least a couple years, finished 2nd in a world championship, but no one really takes him seriously or gives him any recognition. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Gotta subscribe to T&F news. From what you write it seems to be the only source giving some information about World Champs. All I get are pieces of info from RW Daily News and IAAF site. Thanks for info on Kenyan team Oleg
: : ::10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat : won?) : :: Nah! Tergat has cross country, but Gebrselassie owns the track 10k. No : one :: circumnavigates 25 laps like Geb. : :Yeah, but the conditions are not that nice in Seville, heat and hard track : that :Geb hates so much. I know, Geb is "da man" here, therefore I would be : really excited if :someone else won. I like underdogs : Well, the Seville distance events are all slated to started after : 10:00pm. The heat should not be a very critical factor in those finals. : Geb will have to live with the track, but perhaps he’ll not pound out a : WR-type performance in favor of a "good-bye, field!" finishing sprint. : : ::110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade : :: Wade’s not on the team. : :Wade’s not on the team? hmm… what about Colin Jackson? : I can see Jackson placing third. : ::3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin : :: I think that Khattabi could beat Martin. To comment on the first : response :: to Oleg’s post, an 8:09 steepler isn’t going to be in the running for the : SC :: gold. Of course, something wierd could happen, but it is unlikely. : Kenyans :: live the steeple chase, and a Kenyan (not necessarily Barmasi; he may be :: getting tired from the Golden League competitions) will most probably : bring :: home the win. Think about it: Barmasi’s pacemakers (Barngetuny, etc.) : run :: in the area of 8:05, and they’re pacemakers. : :Ok, so I put Martin there just cause I thought some guys from Spain might : stand :a chance here. :I’d rather go with Barmasai/Kosgei/Koskei trio… And I can’t even tell : Kosgei from :Koskei I agree that steeple is mostly kenyan sport now, that’s why I am : a bit :pessimistic about Khattabi. :Is Kiptanui running? : If you look at recent years’ steeple lists, you’ll see (KEN) running : straight down the list with one or two acceptions. Svenoy (sorry if I am : missing any punctuation on that name) of Norway has been on there, and the : other acceptions have been Moroccan. : T&FN has predicted a Barmasi-Kosgei-Boit-Khattabi finish. : Here is how the Kenyans will decide their WC team: : The first two placers at nationals get team spots, and a third (and fourth : in the 5k and steeple thanks to their world champion autoqualifiers) is : chosen by selectors. Tergat has a place on the 10k team, Komen is defending : 5k champ, and Wilson Boit is defending steeple champ. : T&FN printed up a World Champs Formchart in their September issue. : However, it is based on data received by July 15. So, Sotomayor is still on : the list, as is Boldon. :Anyone want to try and predict how much "distance" coverage we’ll get in : the US? :– : I think that the US distance coverage will be very sparce unless one of our : men or women pull off some kind of amazing feat. I think that the TV : executives might make an acception for some kind of upset. Barring that, : though, I think we’ll only see complete races of the 1500m down. Don’t : worry, though…we’ll see the 100m and 200m so many times that the total : distance seen will be equivalent to a distance race! : -Andrew — Oleg
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: Oleg, : I’ve only looked at the distance predictions and I agree with most of them, : especially that Masterkova will turn the tables on Mutola at the : championships, but… : I can’t see Ngeny beating El Gerrouj in the 1500m. So fast, but so naive. I think 80% is El Guerrouj is gonna win. However, like I said, because of my "underdog" mentality and recent hemmoroids problems El Guerrouj had, I would put Ngeny in 1st. Just to be able to say "I told you so" afterwards, I guess : Is Szabo really doing 1500m not 5km? If so, I think it’s a mistake on her : part. I have no idea what Szabo is going to run, to tell you the truth. If she will run 5k, she’s got pretty good chances, sure. : Paula Radcliffe isn’t doing the 5km, is she? For once I can’t think who will : sprint past her in the 10km, so she might just win. Again, I would have to correct the list once I find out what she runs. I put her down for both 5k and 10k cause I think she has pretty strong chances at either, but not at both. No way she’s doing double, so I guess I would have to eliminate her from one of the disciplines : Why no Laroupe in the 10km medals? I’d rather see Laroupe in marathon, and frankly since she decided not to run marathon, I think it means she decided not to take Worlds seriously. Although with right preparation (both physically and mentally) she could get a medal at 5k or 10k easily, I agree. I realize now my prediction list has some flaws – some things to reconsider. Well, I still have 3 days before the Worlds : Nathan — Oleg
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Oleg, I’ve only looked at the distance predictions and I agree with most of them, especially that Masterkova will turn the tables on Mutola at the championships, but… I can’t see Ngeny beating El Gerrouj in the 1500m. So fast, but so naive. Is Szabo really doing 1500m not 5km? If so, I think it’s a mistake on her part. Paula Radcliffe isn’t doing the 5km, is she? For once I can’t think who will sprint past her in the 10km, so she might just win. Why no Laroupe in the 10km medals? Nathan
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:10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat won?) : Nah! Tergat has cross country, but Gebrselassie owns the track 10k. No one : circumnavigates 25 laps like Geb. Yeah, but the conditions are not that nice in Seville, heat and hard track that Geb hates so much. I know, Geb is "da man" here, therefore I would be really excited if someone else won. I like underdogs
Well, the Seville distance events are all slated to started after 10:00pm. The heat should not be a very critical factor in those finals. Geb will have to live with the track, but perhaps he’ll not pound out a WR-type performance in favor of a "good-bye, field!" finishing sprint. :110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade : Wade’s not on the team. Wade’s not on the team? hmm… what about Colin Jackson?
I can see Jackson placing third. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -:3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin : I think that Khattabi could beat Martin. To comment on the first response : to Oleg’s post, an 8:09 steepler isn’t going to be in the running for the SC : gold. Of course, something wierd could happen, but it is unlikely. Kenyans : live the steeple chase, and a Kenyan (not necessarily Barmasi; he may be : getting tired from the Golden League competitions) will most probably bring : home the win. Think about it: Barmasi’s pacemakers (Barngetuny, etc.) run : in the area of 8:05, and they’re pacemakers. Ok, so I put Martin there just cause I thought some guys from Spain might stand a chance here. I’d rather go with Barmasai/Kosgei/Koskei trio… And I can’t even tell Kosgei from Koskei I agree that steeple is mostly kenyan sport now, that’s why I am a bit pessimistic about Khattabi. Is Kiptanui running?
If you look at recent years’ steeple lists, you’ll see (KEN) running straight down the list with one or two acceptions. Svenoy (sorry if I am missing any punctuation on that name) of Norway has been on there, and the other acceptions have been Moroccan. T&FN has predicted a Barmasi-Kosgei-Boit-Khattabi finish. Here is how the Kenyans will decide their WC team: The first two placers at nationals get team spots, and a third (and fourth in the 5k and steeple thanks to their world champion autoqualifiers) is chosen by selectors. Tergat has a place on the 10k team, Komen is defending 5k champ, and Wilson Boit is defending steeple champ. T&FN printed up a World Champs Formchart in their September issue. However, it is based on data received by July 15. So, Sotomayor is still on the list, as is Boldon. Anyone want to try and predict how much "distance" coverage we’ll get in the US? —
I think that the US distance coverage will be very sparce unless one of our men or women pull off some kind of amazing feat. I think that the TV executives might make an acception for some kind of upset. Barring that, though, I think we’ll only see complete races of the 1500m down. Don’t worry, though…we’ll see the 100m and 200m so many times that the total distance seen will be equivalent to a distance race! -Andrew
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Look for Maurice Greene to beat his own 100 w.r. thanks to Surin who will push him so hard. Can Surin pull off the upset? It would be great. Bernard (a Canadian boy)
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what for the usa, some of those runners probably arent even going to the worlds – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some of it is wishful thinking, obviously caused by my national pride, but here it goes – my prediction for what will happen in Seville: (usually I suck at it) 100m Men Greene, Surin, Fredericks (is Boldon "really" out?) 100m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Ottey 200m Men Greene, Fredericks, Capel (although Frank may be faster here) 200m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Miller (I hope Zhanna can kick Marion’s butt again here!) 400m Men Johnson, Young, Pettigrew (just don’t pull anything, Mike!) 400m Women Tirlea, Ogunkoa, Breuer 800m Men Kipketer, Kimutai, Sepeng (gold for Denmark – eat your heart out, Kenya!) 800m Masterkova, Mutola, Tsyganova – go girls! 1500m Men Ngeny, El Guerroj, Lagat – it’s about time Ngeny wins something! 1500m Masterkova, Jacobs, Szabo – go Svetlana! 5000m Men Komen, Tergat, Hissou 5000m Women Radcliff, Ribeiro, Mikitenko 10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat won?) 10000m Women Radcliff, Malot, Denboba (unless tea harvest is early this year in China) 20k Walk Men Martinez, Sanchez, Markov 20k Walk Women Ryashkina, Nikolaeva, Cimpean 50k Walk Men Korepanov, Matyuhin, Lipiec Marathon Men Roncero, Tanui, Anton (torn here, Thys, Fiz, COrtez, Chebet?) Marathon Women Roba, Machado, Suzuki (same goes for here. Any new japanese women?) 110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade 100mH Women Shishigina, Engquist, Alozie (Ludmila deserves gold just for showing up) 400mH Men Herbert, Taylor, Matete 400mH Women Bidouane, Tirlea, Tereschuk-Antipova 3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin HJ Men Smith, Buss, Voronin HJ Women Iagar-Dinescu, Yelesina, Babakova PV Men Tarasov, Hartwig, Lobinger (Bubka is out, Tarasov in) PV Women Balakhonova, Dragila, George LJ Men Pedroso, Bedford, Lamela LJ Women Jones, Maggi, May (Jones for 4?) TJ Men Edwards, Kapustin, Quesada TJ Women Lebedeva, Tsiamita, Aldama SP Men Godina, Hunter, Bagach SP Women Krivelyova, Kumbernuss, Kleinert DT Men Riedel, Alekna, Washington DT Women Sadova, Dietzsch, Grasu HT Men Gocsek, Kobs, Skvaruk HT Women Melinte, Kuzenkova, Konstantinova JT Men Makarov, Gatsioudis, Parviainen JT Women Solberg-Hattestad, Damaske, Menendez Decathlon Dvorak, Sebrle, Busemann Heptathlon Braun, Barber, Lewis 4×100m Men USA, Great Britain, Canada (don’t drop it, guys!) 4×100m Women USA, Jamaica, Russia (no Jones here?) 4×400m Men USA, Great Britain, Jamaica 4×400m Women Russia, Germany, USA (what the hell is Jones doing here?) — Oleg
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: Here is how I think the WCs will turn out: :100m Men Greene, Surin, Fredericks (is Boldon "really" out?) : Yes, Boldon is out, or T&FN is lying. I think it will be close between : Surin and Fredericks. Either has a good shot at it. Of course, one stumble : out of the blocks in the 100m and one can go from WFH to an also-ran. I’d : like to see Frank Fredericks win, just because he seems to always be : oh-so-close to gold. :200m Men Greene, Fredericks, Capel (although Frank may be faster here) : I think Frank can prevail here. Greene isn’t an omnipresent 200m man. If : the Capel you’re speaking of is the football player from Florida, he’s not : listed on the US men’s team. I agree Frank has good chances here, much better than in 100m. Thanks for info on Capel, I just had to replace Boldon with someone, and just took the next top performance of the year, had no idea who he is. Who’s going for third then? Is Washington running 200m? Miller, Armstrong? :10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat won?) : Nah! Tergat has cross country, but Gebrselassie owns the track 10k. No one : circumnavigates 25 laps like Geb. Yeah, but the conditions are not that nice in Seville, heat and hard track that Geb hates so much. I know, Geb is "da man" here, therefore I would be really excited if someone else won. I like underdogs :110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade : Wade’s not on the team. Wade’s not on the team? hmm… what about Colin Jackson? :3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin : I think that Khattabi could beat Martin. To comment on the first response : to Oleg’s post, an 8:09 steepler isn’t going to be in the running for the SC : gold. Of course, something wierd could happen, but it is unlikely. Kenyans : live the steeple chase, and a Kenyan (not necessarily Barmasi; he may be : getting tired from the Golden League competitions) will most probably bring : home the win. Think about it: Barmasi’s pacemakers (Barngetuny, etc.) run : in the area of 8:05, and they’re pacemakers. Ok, so I put Martin there just cause I thought some guys from Spain might stand a chance here. I’d rather go with Barmasai/Kosgei/Koskei trio… And I can’t even tell Kosgei from Koskei I agree that steeple is mostly kenyan sport now, that’s why I am a bit pessimistic about Khattabi. Is Kiptanui running? :4×100m Men USA, Great Britain, Canada (don’t drop it, guys!) : The ol’ UK has two young guys who broke 10 this season. Canada is stuffed : to the gills with WC-type veterans. I put USA in gold, Canada silver (yes, : even without WR-speed Bailey), and Great Britain with bronze. Again, my "underdog" mentality shows. I agree, Canada might still be a stronger team even with "slow" Bailey, but I’d love to see GB win all out of nowhere : Let’s see how this thing shapes up! Thankfully, I receive Canadian TV, so I : will get some decent and recent coverage. My condolences go out to those : who will get to only see the men’s 100m repeated for 10 minutes, and a five : minute wrap-up of the distance events from 1500m up! Anyone want to try and predict how much "distance" coverage we’ll get in the US? — Oleg
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Some of it is wishful thinking, obviously caused by my national pride, but here it goes – my prediction for what will happen in Seville: (usually I suck at it)
We shall see. I’m archiving this for later comparison. <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??
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:200m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Miller (I hope Zhanna can kick Marion’s : butt again :here!) : Okie dokie. Why the anti-Jones sentiments, Oleg? Not anti-Jones, rather pro-Pintussevich Would like to see Ukrainian sprinter win… Although she’s not in the best shape and truthfully would probably be lucky to get any medal this year. — Oleg
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Some of it is wishful thinking, obviously caused by my national pride, but here it goes – my prediction for what will happen in Seville: (usually I suck at it) 800m Men Kipketer, Kimutai, Sepeng (gold for Denmark – eat your heart out, Kenya!)
What about Nils Schumann. 5000m Women Radcliff, Ribeiro, Mikitenko
Mikitenko at third?! 3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin
Just one German guy runs 8:09min. And he is a good fighter. May be he is going for silver. Just because using vitamine E (I heard so)? DT Men Riedel, Alekna, Washington
Who was the old man, which throw the world record? He will be the worldchampion the last time. PV Men Tarasov, Hartwig, Lobinger (Bubka is out, Tarasov in)
Tim go for Gold!! Decathlon Dvorak, Sebrle, Busemann
Don’t think Frank can do it! Wishfull thinking Heptathlon Braun, Barber, Lewis
Even so Braun can’t do it. 4×400m Women Russia, Germany, USA (what the hell is Jones doing here?)
Germany bet USA?! — Ratzfatz
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Here is how I think the WCs will turn out: 100m Men Greene, Surin, Fredericks (is Boldon "really" out?)
Yes, Boldon is out, or T&FN is lying. I think it will be close between Surin and Fredericks. Either has a good shot at it. Of course, one stumble out of the blocks in the 100m and one can go from WFH to an also-ran. I’d like to see Frank Fredericks win, just because he seems to always be oh-so-close to gold. 200m Men Greene, Fredericks, Capel (although Frank may be faster here)
I think Frank can prevail here. Greene isn’t an omnipresent 200m man. If the Capel you’re speaking of is the football player from Florida, he’s not listed on the US men’s team. 200m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Miller (I hope Zhanna can kick Marion’s butt again here!)
Okie dokie. Why the anti-Jones sentiments, Oleg? 10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat won?)
Nah! Tergat has cross country, but Gebrselassie owns the track 10k. No one circumnavigates 25 laps like Geb. 110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade
Wade’s not on the team. 3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin
I think that Khattabi could beat Martin. To comment on the first response to Oleg’s post, an 8:09 steepler isn’t going to be in the running for the SC gold. Of course, something wierd could happen, but it is unlikely. Kenyans live the steeple chase, and a Kenyan (not necessarily Barmasi; he may be getting tired from the Golden League competitions) will most probably bring home the win. Think about it: Barmasi’s pacemakers (Barngetuny, etc.) run in the area of 8:05, and they’re pacemakers. 4×100m Men USA, Great Britain, Canada (don’t drop it, guys!)
The ol’ UK has two young guys who broke 10 this season. Canada is stuffed to the gills with WC-type veterans. I put USA in gold, Canada silver (yes, even without WR-speed Bailey), and Great Britain with bronze. Let’s see how this thing shapes up! Thankfully, I receive Canadian TV, so I will get some decent and recent coverage. My condolences go out to those who will get to only see the men’s 100m repeated for 10 minutes, and a five minute wrap-up of the distance events from 1500m up! -Andrew
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Some of it is wishful thinking, obviously caused by my national pride, but here it goes – my prediction for what will happen in Seville: (usually I suck at it) 100m Men Greene, Surin, Fredericks (is Boldon "really" out?) 100m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Ottey 200m Men Greene, Fredericks, Capel (although Frank may be faster here) 200m Women Jones, Pintussevich, Miller (I hope Zhanna can kick Marion’s butt again here!) 400m Men Johnson, Young, Pettigrew (just don’t pull anything, Mike!) 400m Women Tirlea, Ogunkoa, Breuer 800m Men Kipketer, Kimutai, Sepeng (gold for Denmark – eat your heart out, Kenya!) 800m Masterkova, Mutola, Tsyganova – go girls! 1500m Men Ngeny, El Guerroj, Lagat – it’s about time Ngeny wins something! 1500m Masterkova, Jacobs, Szabo – go Svetlana! 5000m Men Komen, Tergat, Hissou 5000m Women Radcliff, Ribeiro, Mikitenko 10000m Men Gebrselassie, Tergat, Jifar (wouldn’t it be cool if Tergat won?) 10000m Women Radcliff, Malot, Denboba (unless tea harvest is early this year in China) 20k Walk Men Martinez, Sanchez, Markov 20k Walk Women Ryashkina, Nikolaeva, Cimpean 50k Walk Men Korepanov, Matyuhin, Lipiec Marathon Men Roncero, Tanui, Anton (torn here, Thys, Fiz, COrtez, Chebet?) Marathon Women Roba, Machado, Suzuki (same goes for here. Any new japanese women?) 110mH Men Creer, Johnson, Wade 100mH Women Shishigina, Engquist, Alozie (Ludmila deserves gold just for showing up) 400mH Men Herbert, Taylor, Matete 400mH Women Bidouane, Tirlea, Tereschuk-Antipova 3000mST Men Barmasai, Kosgei, Martin HJ Men Smith, Buss, Voronin HJ Women Iagar-Dinescu, Yelesina, Babakova PV Men Tarasov, Hartwig, Lobinger (Bubka is out, Tarasov in) PV Women Balakhonova, Dragila, George LJ Men Pedroso, Bedford, Lamela LJ Women Jones, Maggi, May (Jones for 4?) TJ Men Edwards, Kapustin, Quesada TJ Women Lebedeva, Tsiamita, Aldama SP Men Godina, Hunter, Bagach SP Women Krivelyova, Kumbernuss, Kleinert DT Men Riedel, Alekna, Washington DT Women Sadova, Dietzsch, Grasu HT Men Gocsek, Kobs, Skvaruk HT Women Melinte, Kuzenkova, Konstantinova JT Men Makarov, Gatsioudis, Parviainen JT Women Solberg-Hattestad, Damaske, Menendez Decathlon Dvorak, Sebrle, Busemann Heptathlon Braun, Barber, Lewis 4×100m Men USA, Great Britain, Canada (don’t drop it, guys!) 4×100m Women USA, Jamaica, Russia (no Jones here?) 4×400m Men USA, Great Britain, Jamaica 4×400m Women Russia, Germany, USA (what the hell is Jones doing here?) — Oleg
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I saw a white tail buck deer today on a ride liked to scared him to death he sure was pretty. tri-man all you can do-is-all you can do
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Being a city kid, the extent of the wildlife here are horses and cows when you get out on a long ride. But the local zoo has recently completed a multiyear project to remove artificial constraints and repopulate with a much smaller subset of animals that are at home with the local climate. It drew a lot of complaints at first, "what no elephant house!!". But they have done a first rate job and have integrated the animals with a large park which is a very popular running area, with paths and lots of hills. It is not at all uncommon to run by a pack of llamas at lunch time along side the path. They look up from what they are doing, and for the life of me I’d love to know that they are thinking. Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It certainly gives the opportunity of various encounters – usually positive, sometimes negative! – with a variety of "memorable moments". We don’t have anything as hefty as buffalo here in WA to be wary of but occasionally on eary morning rides out in "the hills" there are kangaroos hanging around on the bush roads (always on a fast descent!) testing your bike handling skills as you brake, dodge etc. These sort of happenings make you feel special that you were out and training. John
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Well, living on Staten Island, not many wildlife cross my path, although I did have a couple of encounters with deer in nearby New Jersey. In living in the vicinity of the worlds largest garbage dump, all I get passing by me on those rides on Staten Island (thankfully just a few per month) is a a stray empty bag of potato chips caught in the wind (and my spokes) and a whiff of very foul air wafting from the dump. Yuck! |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
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: Well, living on Staten Island, not many wildlife cross my path, although I did : have a couple of encounters with deer in nearby New Jersey. In living in the : vicinity of the worlds largest garbage dump, all I get passing by me on those Now that’s not a very nice thing to say about Jersey. ;-) — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Persist, Persevere, Deny, Pursue, Pain, Survive, Ignore, Endure, Strive, Laugh, Cry, Live, Prevail, Scream, Sweat, Bleed, Sustain, Learn, Ascend, Give, Get, GO! 27 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘98
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Well, living on Staten Island, not many wildlife cross my path, although I did have a couple of encounters with deer in nearby New Jersey.
I witnessed an amusing little scene while out on my long (and very HOT) run yesterday. A tiny mouse suddenly leapt onto the trail in front of me, hotly pursued by a small garter snake. I tried to stop in order to avoid interfering with this little tableau from Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom, but my thunderous footsteps made the snake think better of his pursuit. He beat a hasty retreat back up the (nearly vertical) hillside from whence he’d come, while the relieved mouse scurried gratefully across to the other side of the trail. Wow, it’s a snake-eat-mouse world out there! 
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… and you’re a lifesaver! (Just think, that mouse could have been a devoted mother, or a significant other.) — Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, it’s a snake-eat-mouse world out there!
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but my thunderous footsteps made the snake think better of his pursuit. He beat a hasty retreat back up the (nearly vertical) hillside from whence he’d come, while the relieved mouse scurried gratefully across to the other side of the trail.
Could we get this scenario to work when those really good runners are chasing me down at IMC? Good Training, Good Racing, Good Mousing, Joe Joseph C. Foster "People can’t understand why a man runs. They don’t see any sport in it, argue that it lacks the sight-thrill of body contact, the color of rough conflict. Yet the conflict is there, more raw and challenging than any man versus man competition. In (Triathlon) it is man against himself, the cruelest of all opponents. The other (racers) are not the real enemies. His adversary lies deep within him, in his ability, with brain and heart, to control and master himself and his emotions." – Glenn Cunningham
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… and you’re a lifesaver! (Just think, that mouse could have been a devoted mother, or a significant other.)
What if that snake was an athlete? You might have messed up his race day nutrition. How would you like if someone did that to you! Sheesh! The nerve of some people! David Barclay IMC 1997 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"
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I witnessed an amusing little scene while out on my long (and very HOT) run yesterday. A tiny mouse suddenly leapt onto the trail in front of me, hotly pursued by a small garter snake. I tried to stop in order to avoid interfering with this little tableau from Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom, but my thunderous footsteps made the snake think better of his pursuit. He beat a hasty retreat back up the (nearly vertical) hillside from whence he’d come, while the relieved mouse scurried gratefully across to the other side of the trail.
Do you realize, Ms. Baby, that you have interfered with the natural order, and violated the biological imperative of the garter snake. As a result of your thoughtless action, garter snakes will become extinct, and mice will overrun Omaha. Shame. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.
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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I witnessed an amusing little scene while out on my long (and very HOT) run yesterday. A tiny mouse suddenly leapt onto the trail in front of me, hotly pursued by a small garter snake. I tried to stop in order to avoid interfering with this little tableau from Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom, but my thunderous footsteps made the snake think better of his pursuit. He beat a hasty retreat back up the (nearly vertical) hillside from whence he’d come, while the relieved mouse scurried gratefully across to the other side of the trail. Do you realize, Ms. Baby, that you have interfered with the natural order, and violated the biological imperative of the garter snake. As a result of your thoughtless action, garter snakes will become extinct, and mice will overrun Omaha.
…I thought they already had…? Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie
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It’s not often I reckon that many of us can claim to have a training ride interrupted by whales! I was cruising down the river and then up the coast on a regular easy hour and a half ride here in Perth, Western Australia, one afternoon when I noticed people stopping their cars and dashing across the relatively busy road to look out to sea. Just 100m away over the sand-dunes and beach were several Southern Right whales not 50m off the shore.
A few months ago I was riding through a nature preserve area (actually, a closed Army base that has too much unexploded ordnance to allow humans to roam free) when I saw a large, yellow Labrador retriever ambling down the road towards me. It was about 100 meters ahead, and I thought it was strange because you don’t usually see stray dogs around there. As I looked at the Lab, I thought "gee, that’s a funny looking dog," then, "that’s really a wierd lion, just out for an afternoon stroll. When we were about 50 meters apart, Brother Cat makes a quick right turn, and jumps up the hill and into the bushes, to my initial relief. Then, it dawned on me that I couldn’t see him, he could see me, and he had position on me if he decided to jump down the hill for a snack. I’m not noted for my sprinting ability, but at that moment I was sufficiently motivated to set a new land speed record. Made for an interesting ride. Tellus Venture Associates "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win." R.A.H.
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John: Very Cool !! I would pay admission for that experience. The sighting of an angry "German Shepherd Dog" is the best that I can achieve here in Virginia. It makes for a great sprint, but defeats the purpose of a long slow training ride! Cheers- Keith Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits www.ironmanwetsuits.com (804) 288-6000 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s not often I reckon that many of us can claim to have a training ride interrupted by whales! I was cruising down the river and then up the coast on a regular easy hour and a half ride here in Perth, Western Australia, one afternoon when I noticed people stopping their cars and dashing across the relatively busy road to look out to sea. Just 100m away over the sand-dunes and beach were several Southern Right whales not 50m off the shore. I decided that a continuous ride wasn’t quite so important anymore and watched the whales until I really had to get going to get back home before dark. Now that’s one lucky ride I’ll file away and remember for a while! JT
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On the UK bike newsgroup they had a thread on crashes caused by white rabbits that dodge out in front of you. Apparently it is a fairly big problem there. Kevin PS There were lots of whale rides when I lived in Hawaii and now there are lots of Buffalo now that I am living in North Dakota. When I was in California it was mountain lions, Arizona Snakes, New Mexico Radiation. The latter explains a few things. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We don’t have anything as hefty as buffalo here in WA to be wary of but occasionally on eary morning rides out in "the hills" there are kangaroos hanging around on the bush roads (always on a fast descent!) testing your bike handling skills as you brake, dodge etc. These sort of happenings make you feel special that you were out and training. John
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It’s not often I reckon that many of us can claim to have a training ride interrupted by whales! I was cruising down the river and then up the coast on a regular easy hour and a half ride here in Perth, Western Australia, one afternoon when I noticed people stopping their cars and dashing across the relatively busy road to look out to sea. Just 100m away over the sand-dunes and beach were several Southern Right whales not 50m off the shore. I decided that a continuous ride wasn’t quite so important anymore and watched the whales until I really had to get going to get back home before dark. Now that’s one lucky ride I’ll file away and remember for a while! JT
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John, No whales here in Wyoming, but yesterday I passed about by a Buffalo (Bison) on the other side of the road. Needless to say I did not stop, but I did get a good sprint in. I hear they can run 30 MPH. I also saw Elk and deer, but I see them frequently where I normally train in central Wyoming. Don’t you just love this sport? -sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s not often I reckon that many of us can claim to have a training ride interrupted by whales! I was cruising down the river and then up the coast on a regular easy hour and a half ride here in Perth, Western Australia, one afternoon when I noticed people stopping their cars and dashing across the relatively busy road to look out to sea. Just 100m away over the sand-dunes and beach were several Southern Right whales not 50m off the shore. I decided that a continuous ride wasn’t quite so important anymore and watched the whales until I really had to get going to get back home before dark. Now that’s one lucky ride I’ll file away and remember for a while! JT
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No whales here in Wyoming, but yesterday I passed about by a Buffalo (Bison) on the other side of the road. Needless to say I did not stop, but I did get a good sprint in. I hear they can run 30 MPH. I also saw Elk and deer, but I see them frequently where I normally train in central Wyoming. Don’t you just love this sport?
It certainly gives the opportunity of various encounters – usually positive, sometimes negative! – with a variety of "memorable moments". We don’t have anything as hefty as buffalo here in WA to be wary of but occasionally on eary morning rides out in "the hills" there are kangaroos hanging around on the bush roads (always on a fast descent!) testing your bike handling skills as you brake, dodge etc. These sort of happenings make you feel special that you were out and training. John
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