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Does anyone know of good source for timex speed distance watch.  It is $225 retail and I’m looking for better deal. thanks in advance david

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I found it somewhere for $129.95, but reading your question three times made me forget where. Oh well…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of good source for timex speed distance watch.  It is $225 retail and I’m looking for better deal. thanks in advance david

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www.alsgiftshoppe.com Attempting to keep the knee cartilage intact!

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With SPAM? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – www.alsgiftshoppe.com Attempting to keep the knee cartilage intact!

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Whups, I take that back! I just saw that you actually do carry the watch, and at a very reasonable price! When I first looked I didn’t see any reference to timex sport watches. My bad! Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With SPAM? www.alsgiftshoppe.com Attempting to keep the knee cartilage intact!

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Whups, I take that back! I just saw that you actually do carry the watch, and at a very reasonable price! When I first looked I didn’t see any reference to timex sport watches. My bad!

Your bad _what_?

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| Whups, I take that back! I just saw that you actually do carry the | watch, and at a very reasonable price! When I first looked I didn’t see | any reference to timex sport watches. My bad! | | Your bad _what_? | | Oh you English always giving Americans grief about our slang and our mis-use of the language. As if you lot never speak or write in a manner that wouldn’t be fitting before the Queen! stacy hills reston, va

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Whups, I take that back! I just saw that you actually do carry the | watch, and at a very reasonable price! When I first looked I didn’t see | any reference to timex sport watches. My bad! | | Your bad _what_? | Oh you English always giving Americans grief about our slang and our mis-use of the language. As if you lot never speak or write in a manner that wouldn’t be fitting before the Queen!

Sorry, Goddess babe! Mark M PS  I was born Danish….

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Hi, I have them for sale at $195 for the 100 lap model a pretty decent savings.  go to http://www.timexstore.com and check them out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of good source for timex speed distance watch.  It is $225 retail and I’m looking for better deal. thanks in advance david

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Mark M wrote…

| | PS  I was born Danish…. | How interesting…a mad, Hamlet triathlete! My mother’s maiden name is Jorgensen. stacy hills reston, va

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 Is there a triathlon in St. John in the early fall? if so could someone please email me some info?  Thank You:-) Steve A

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Is this the St. John Triathlon you are looking for: http://www.stjohntradewindsnews.com/html/triathalon.html Ken Is there a triathlon in St. John in the early fall? if so could someone please email me some info? Thank You:-) Steve A

Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Yes,  Do you know if they will have it again this year? steve a

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I hate to admit it but I agree with John H.

Scary… Ironman California is just about an hour away from Los Angeles and even closer to this area.  Anyway what I’m getting at is this…  With all that great "southern california" stuff goin down there I was amazed IMCAL doesn’t fill up in a flash.  I’m not sure if it is even filled up yet.

It did in it’s first year, less than two weeks IIRC. And, IMCAL got a LOT of coverage locally. David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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In fact the majority of the people are "posers". That doesn’t mean they’re not interested in watching the race. An Olympic 100M final has 8 participants but half the world still wanted to watch. I can’t believe CBS doesn’t have the personel to take a race like the Ironman and make a real live race and story out of it, whether it exists or not.  I was at IMH this year and even with the bare scraps of information we could get it was a more interesting race than the cameras managed to portray. J.J. Whether we,as triathletes, like it or not, this is the program that WTC

and NBC feel the general audience wants to see. The fact that this program consistently generates high ratings on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of American football season and wins a pile of awards every year seems to hint that they may be correct. Remember, also, that WTC (World Triathlon Corporation, owners of Ironman) produces the program independantly and sells it to NBC (or buys the time, I don’t recall exactly the arrangement). Even edited down to 2 hours, a program dedicated solely to showing the competition of an 8-17 hour event would be like watching paint dry to all except the most dedicated triathletes.  Unfortunately, we have numbers that would put this program on at 3AM on a weeknight, if at all. We are not the audience that WTC wants to reach to continue growing the Ironman mystique and brand name. Thus, they produce a program that they feel will draw the masses, evoke emotion, and sell their image as they choose to represent it. So far, they have done a great job doing just that and will probably continue to do so. We aspire to race the Ironman, not watch it. They know that and also know that many of us were probably first drawn to the sport by one of these very broadcasts. Their goal seems to be to entertain the masses while inspiring the few to get up off the sofa. Mission accomplished, I would say. It worked for me. Ten years, over a hundred triathlons, nine marathons, and three Ironman races later I’m still watching, but from a different perspective. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL Before you buy.

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In fact the majority of the people are "posers". That doesn’t mean they’re not interested in watching the race. An Olympic 100M final has 8 participants but half the world still wanted to watch. I can’t believe CBS doesn’t have the personel to take a race like the Ironman and make a real live race and story out of it, whether it exists or not.  I was at IMH this year and even with the bare scraps of information we could get it was a more interesting race than the cameras managed to portray. J.J.

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John The next beers on me, well said and entirely true!! Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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I hate to admit it but I agree with John H. Recently I was in Southern California (Hermosa, Redundo to El Sugundo). This area is an absolute great place to train. They have big bike lanes painted on the roads etc. etc.  The weather is great and there are even some hills. Ironman California is just about an hour away from Los Angeles and even closer to this area.  Anyway what I’m getting at is this…  With all that great "southern california" stuff goin down there I was amazed IMCAL doesn’t fill up in a flash.  I’m not sure if it is even filled up yet. Then I realized this…. In fact the majority of the people are "posers".  This may sound like a very nasty or be-rating term (I don’t really mean it to be that way) but many people wish, talk, act, etc. etc.  like they "can" do these things but there is really only a very very small portion of the people say 5000 in north america that are "iron"-people. Sometimes you gotta step back and realize that infact we are on the "fringe" here.  This is way beyond just keeping basically physically fit which requires about 30 minutes of aerobic exercise three to four times a week.

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You have a good point at who the intended audience is for…not us.

Why not, one wonders. They do not cover ANY other sport this way on TV, why this? If IM needs this year after year, maybe it is time they pull it. Then again, if it makes it to TV year after year, it must be worth it to broadcast it. That means they do have an audience, and maybe that audience, even non-triathletes, would like some better, or different coverage. TV is just sticking with the same old tired, stock format fot this race.

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They do not cover ANY other sport this way on TV, why this?

Track and field, for one.  No doubt anyone who is relatively "hard core" in any sport will likely find significant faults with TV coverage of "their" sport. The fact is, triathlon translates very poorly to the boob tube, just as it usually does as a spectator sport in person.  Poetic license must be taken for this to translate to the masses, and in the absence of any real race drama, you get stories. Another poster mentioned some of the epic duels of the past, most notably the 1989 Mark Allen/Dave Scott race…now it was on another network (ABC) at the time, but for a while, all they did was show these guys running side-by-side, no music, and not much commentary.  The race spoke for itself. Think MTV, broadband, streaming media, MP3, PS2, etc….and you get some idea of what is going through the minds of TV producers as they think of how they will show a 17-hour day in a two-hour show (probably really 1:28 with commercials) on an NFL Sunday in the middle of November. Just my two cents’ as one who has watched Ironman broadcasts since 1986… Mike C

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Hmmm, sounds just like the dialogue during the TdF covereage on ESPN. Bring on OLN!!! Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

You have a good point at who the intended audience is for…not us.  I really wish they would film another version geared for triathletes, after all we are the only ones that actually buy the video!  I must say that I did enjoy the coverage of the deboom’s, its nice to get a little more personal with some of the people that make a living of this sport. Before you buy.

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Are you for real?

This subject really pushed your button, eh? This is a NEWS forum. Ever notice why it says new:rec.sport.triathlon and why it is available on a NEWS feeder.

Actually, that’s an incorrect reference. "Newsgroups" are actually part of the Usenet, a discussion forum. If people want to get some excitment in their life by watching a TV program late then they can also avoid reading NEWS from a newsgroup.

It’s attitudes like this that spoil the fun. Listen, you did an excellent job posting the updates. I had fun reliving the experience of watching the race by reading your posts. You brought out a lot that NBC did not. However, the request was politely made and reasonable. And, it is no different than what has been requested in past Olympics on this and other forums. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Of course, now that both races have been shown, it’s pretty much a mute argument. But, maybe we could agree upon something before Athens in 2004… David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 – 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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Are you for real? This is a NEWS forum. Ever notice why it says new:rec.sport.triathlon and why it is available on a NEWS feeder. If people want to get some excitment in their life by watching a TV program late then they can also avoid reading NEWS from a newsgroup.

He didn’t berate anyone, he simply posted an example of how other NEWS groups manage to give people a choice without stepping on anyone’s toes, and he did so in response to other people’s complaints about it.  It was a perfectly reasonable suggestion, no less reasonable than having people preface ‘for sale’ messages with ‘FS.’  Everyone wins – the post is made, and both those who want the news and those who don’t get what they want.  Exactly who loses in this simple application of common courtesy and consideration for others?

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Just a thought, we do this on game-show discussion groups. If you have results of a race, in order to be considerate to folks who haven’t seen it, yet (especially a televised event… maybe somebody recorded it and wants to see it with some suspense) If you post (SPOILER) in the subject line, and include information on the results down in the body of the e-mail, then folks who DON’T want to know, won’t have to find out. One technique used to post text lower in the message is to put the alphabet down the left-side, like so: a b c d e f g…

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Are you for real? This is a NEWS forum. Ever notice why it says new:rec.sport.triathlon and why it is available on a NEWS feeder. If people want to get some excitment in their life by watching a TV program late then they can also avoid reading NEWS from a newsgroup. LW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a thought, we do this on game-show discussion groups. If you have results of a race, in order to be considerate to folks who haven’t seen it, yet (especially a televised event… maybe somebody recorded it and wants to see it with some suspense) If you post (SPOILER) in the subject line, and include information on the results down in the body of the e-mail, then folks who DON’T want to know, won’t have to find out. One technique used to post text lower in the message is to put the alphabet down the left-side, like so: a b c d e f g…

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If you have results of a race, in order to be considerate to folks who haven’t seen it, yet (especially a televised event… maybe somebody recorded it and wants to see it with some suspense)

Oh come on get real! Your getting a little carried away with whats "politically correct" according to you.  Who cares if you don’t want to read it then don’t. Anyway its still found your post interesting to read as in what some people consider as net etiquette. HAHAHAHA

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Are you for real? This is a NEWS forum. Ever notice why it says new:rec.sport.triathlon and why it is available on a NEWS feeder.

Oh come on get real! Your getting a little carried away with whats "politically correct" according to you.  Who cares if you don’t want to read it then don’t.

Haha!  Ooops… hey, it was just a suggestion. I wasn’t suggesting that folks curtail what they post, just that they put something in the subject line… oh, forget it! I guess I won’t be getting a placque for "best newsgroup suggestion of the year." Cheers! Streb

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If you have results of a race, in order to be considerate to folks who haven’t seen it, yet (especially a televised event… maybe somebody recorded it and wants to see it with some suspense) Oh come on get real! Your getting a little carried away with whats "politically correct" according to you.  Who cares if you don’t want to read it then don’t. Anyway its still found your post interesting to read as in what some people consider as net etiquette. HAHAHAHA

Actually, Tom, I was going to let this go, but your post was so mean-spirited that I’m going to have to take you to task. <<Oh come on get real! I am being real.  I posted this after a similar request by Ruth.  Again, it was just a suggestion.  Sorry it offended you so.  Apparently asking for a little consideration for some folks is cause for you to get excited. Your getting a little carried away with whats "politically correct" according to you.

Actually, considering that what I posted had nothing to do with "political correctness" I can only presume have no concept of what political correctness actually is.  Fortunately for you, ignorance is not a crime. Who cares if you don’t want to read it then don’t.

If you put spoiler info in the subject line, folks don’t have any choice. Again, I was not saying you should NOT post things like this.  I was just offerring a suggestion for those who, unlike you, don’t mind being considerate. By all means, be rude and inconsiderate.  It’s a free country.  I was just offerring a suggestion for those readers who have manners.  I most certainly expect you to ignore it. Anyway its still found your post interesting to read as in what some people consider as net etiquette. HAHAHAHA

Actually, if you go to almost any other newsgroup (including rec.running, right now), you’ll see the word, "spoiler" in the subject line on some posts. Sorry you didn’t know this.  As I said before, ignorance is no crime. Welcome to my kill file, Tom.  You’re an abject jackass. At least Curloo offerred a logical reason for why we shouldn’t tag spoilers.

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 A sprint can be any short distance, depending on the director. I’ve seen some advertised that only qualify by virtue of being shorter than a half iron man, but they are usually between .5-1k swim, 15-30k bike and 5-10k run. Olympic (often called International because of copyright considerations) is always 1.5k, 40k, 10k, Ironman is always 2.4m, 112m, 24.2m. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my second season and I’m still trying to figure out the distances for Sprint, Olympic and Ironman races.  Do these vary (Sprint meaning short races I assume), or are they always the same? Thanks for clearing this up, -Jenny

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This is my second season and I’m still trying to figure out the distances for Sprint, Olympic and Ironman races.  Do these vary (Sprint meaning short races I assume), or are they always the same? Thanks for clearing this up, -Jenny

generally a sprint is the following – 750m swim / 20km bike / 5km run olympic is – 1.5km swim / 40km bike / 10km run Ironman is – 3.8km swim / 180km bike / 42km run olympic and Ironman are standard distances. some races are advertised as sprint and are approxiamtely of the sprint distance mentioned above. — Ian Hobley North Dorset Triathlon Club (U.K.)

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This is my second season and I’m still trying to figure out the distances for Sprint, Olympic and Ironman races.  Do these vary (Sprint meaning short races I assume), or are they always the same? Thanks for clearing this up, -Jenny

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This is my second season and I’m still trying to figure out the distances for Sprint, Olympic and Ironman races.  Do these vary (Sprint meaning short races I assume), or are they always the same? Thanks for clearing this up, -Jenny

IMO … Sprints are _usually_: 400 m pool swim (some are 800m and some outdoors) 20 km bike 5  km run Olympic Distances are: 1500 m (mostly outdoors) 40 km bike 10 km run Ironman is: 3.8 km swim 112 mile bike 26.2 mile run (marathon) There are many other variations too and some races which aren’t the usual 3 events (e.g. rowing machines instead of swims, mountain bikes instead of time trials etc) You can’t compare times from one course to another accurately either. adrian

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Actually, Sprint is a 750m swim, the 400m version is generally known as ‘novice’ or somesuch… — Slainte, Richard. Arran Triathlon Club – *the going got tough* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my second season and I’m still trying to figure out the distances for Sprint, Olympic and Ironman races.  Do these vary (Sprint meaning short races I assume), or are they always the same? Thanks for clearing this up, -Jenny IMO … Sprints are _usually_: 400 m pool swim (some are 800m and some outdoors) 20 km bike 5  km run Olympic Distances are: 1500 m (mostly outdoors) 40 km bike 10 km run Ironman is: 3.8 km swim 112 mile bike 26.2 mile run (marathon) adrian

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 I did this race two years ago and had a great time. It is further south and near the Mexican border but keep in mind that SanDiego is’nt too far from the border. It’s just a quick trip down the freeway. I just went for the race and left right afterwards but the town seemed nice. I hope this helps.              Steve Fredericks              Oceanside, CA

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I know the Imperial Beach Tri.  I did Port of San Diego an went to watch the Imperial Beach tri last year and may do it this year.  What do you want to know about it?  It is not in San Diego.  It is close to the border in Imperial Beach…  Some people say the water down there is not so clean.. but they do tests and it was fine last year.  sometimes other "good" beaches have bad water tests.  It is not as pretty as the Port of San Diego Tri.    Carlsbad is this weekend and will be "great". You could also do the Camp Pendelton tri.. in August.. really nice  These tri’s are closer to orange county.. Imperial Beach would probably be a really long ride on race day.

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anyone have info on this race, not so much the course but more the area of town etc…i’m not that familar (sic) with san diego area at all. i did have a great time at the san diego tri (6/29) but i hear this is much father south, close to the border. please help… steve harris

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Yes, Imperial Beach is quite a bit further south than Mission Bay for example, about 15-20 miles south on the 5. However, the Imperial Beach Triathlon is a lot of fun. I did it last year, and, if my workschedule allows, I will run it again this year. The bike course is flat (on a naval air station) as is the run. Hope to see you there! Nicole – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – anyone have info on this race, not so much the course but more the area of town etc…i’m not that familar (sic) with san diego area at all. i did have a great time at the san diego tri (6/29) but i hear this is much father south, close to the border. please help… steve harris

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Oh yeah, another question: what does "RST" stand for?                                         Le Toastman

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Sandman is this weekend in Gulf Shores AL.  The weekend of Oct 12th is the Santa Rosa Island Triathlon in Pensacola Florida (a new sprint race). And, as previously mentioned the Seaside SouthWalton Sportsfest is the first weekend in Nov.    After that races don’t start again until March & April (duathlon and triathlon that is).    For more information as races are coming up you can contact me, Karl Dauphinais–Gulf Coast Area Triathletes, or Therese Bynum’s Team Magic is out of Birmingham (they put on a lot of races, I don’t have the number on hand, but it should be in any triathlon mag).     Good luck Karl Dauphinais, Director, Gulf Coast Area Triathletes Box 922, Daphne, AL 36526  (334) 621-8318

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Does anyone know of any triathlons this fall in Tenn/Ala/Miss/Kentucky?  I just did my first Tri, the Music City Triathlon here in Nashville and would like to do one more short or international length one this season.  Oh yeah, another question: what does "RST" stand for?                                         Le Toastman

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Does anyone know of any triathlons this fall in Tenn/Ala/Miss/Kentucky?  I just did my first Tri, the Music City Triathlon here in Nashville and would like to do one more short or international length one this season.  Oh yeah, another question: what does "RST" stand for?                                         Le Toastman

Slim pickings until next spring. The first weekend in November their is weekend of activity in Flordia, near Destin. A dualathon, half marathon, 10k and sprint triathlon are held that weekend, Sportsfest is the name I think. Check the triathlon magazines, I recall an several ads for races in Georgia and South Carolina this fall. Gulf Shores, Alabama has the Sandman sprint this weekend. Jack Rawls

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[By way of introduction, I've been a regular lurker on RST for 1-1/2 years now.  At various points in my life, I've been involved in (not very competitive) swimming, biking, & running, but only in the past two years have I put them together and participated in triathlons.] Last year, I read Tricia Richter’s (Tribaby’s) race reports on the Alcatraz triathlon, and I thought "Wow, I’d like to do that some day." Well, it looks like that some day will be this June!  I’ve managed to arrange my business travel so that I need to be in Las Vegas the week before, and in San Jose the week after.  If I have to spend a weekend away from the wife & kids, what better way than by plunging into the cool waters of San Francisco Bay?  Short of making the trip to Kona, I can’t imagine a triathlon with a more unique and special character. Now I’m shopping around for a wetsuit (a QR fullsuit, of course—hanging out on r.s.t. has made me develop real brand loyalty), and I’m trying to figure out the best way to get my bike there.  I’m also having to push hard on the training—the swim seems mighty long right now, and the thought of running 10 miles with all of the obstacles Tricia describes seems pretty grueling.  Don’t have any sand ladders around here to practice on, but I’ve managed to put some steep uphills into my training runs.  I’m fairly confident that I can make it, as long as I pace myself. It’s a tribute to r.s.t. that I’m entering this event.  How else would us yokels from the backwoods of triathlon-dom keep up with news on races, equipment, and training?  From time to time, I pick up one of the tri mags, and I’m inevitably disappointed by the lack of information that is really useful to me as a participant.  By contrast, RST is full of great stuff.  Recent posts even motivated me to buy a can of PAM on a recent trip to the grocery store, anticipating the need to speed up my exit from my (as yet unbought) wet suit!  I’ve also appreciated the race reports, especially from those, who like me, partake in tris as a challenge to achieve higher personal standards, rather than with serious thoughts of winning. Onward to the Rock! | Randy Bryant                  | | Computer Science Dept.        | | Carnegie Mellon University    | | Pittsburgh, PA 15213          | | (412) 268-8821                | | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bryant |

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*snip* (enthusiastic and inspiring anticipation of Escaping from Alcatraz on June 9!) Onward to the Rock! | Randy Bryant                  |

Randy– All right!  You will never regret it.  As you say, Alcatraz is definitely a race with a "unique and special character".  Don’t be too terribly intimidated by my description of the run course; there are few runners as bad as yours truly, so consequently, my description is probably more harrowing than the reality for most average runners. I completely agree with your commentary on the value of RST, it is a *tremendous* resource.  I’ve learned more about training, equipment, race strategies, and (unfortunately) tri politics than I ever imagined possible through the bboard.  Even better, I’ve hooked up with some really cool people.  I’m really looking forward to Wildflower, where I hope to meet many more RSTers in person. Good luck in training, and I’ll see you on June 9th at Aquatic Park! Cheers– Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Dear reader: This is just a test, so I don’t know why you are bothering to read this.   You see, I’m new to this information age stuff and I’m just trying to see if I can get the hang of it:  get configured, get encoded/decoded, on-line/off-line, posted/composted.  Anyway, I’m also into triathlons, so I’m going to post this on the rec.sport.triathlon newsgroup and then check on it later to make sure it went through and loaded up properly and is readable.  If it all works then I will feel a tremendous burst of confidence and will attempt to post something of real relevance to the newsgroup…and to you, a bored reader who has just wasted a minute of your valuable time reading this.  Best wishes.   "Train hard, race well, and enjoy life" XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0

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Dear reader: This is just a test, so I don’t know why you are bothering to read this.   You see, I’m new to this information age stuff and I’m just trying to see if I can get the hang of it:  get configured, get encoded/decoded, on-line/off-line, posted/composted.  Anyway, I’m also into triathlons, so I’m going to post this on the rec.sport.triathlon newsgroup and then check on it later to make sure it went through and loaded up properly and is readable.  If it all works then I will feel a tremendous burst of confidence and will attempt to post something of real relevance to the newsgroup…and to you, a bored reader who has just wasted a minute of your valuable time reading this.  Best wishes.   "Train hard, race well, and enjoy life" XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0

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This is just a test, so I don’t know why you are bothering to read this.

I confess.  I took the bait.  Did you?  Will you add your name to a list of suckers?  Or am I the only one. Ruth Kazez

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This is just a test, so I don’t know why you are bothering to read this. I confess.  I took the bait.  Did you?  Will you add your name to a list of suckers?  Or am I the only one. Ruth Kazez

Ruth, you should be a talk show host, an elementary school prinicipal, a lawyer, or a police officer.. you’ve made me confess.. I can’t deny it..I read it as well….                 Andy Hill Oneonta, NY

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                     DECEMBER 8, 1994 Over this past season, the International Triathlon Union (ITU) experimented with drafting legal races for the elite in several World Cup Series events. For those events that chose to be drafting legal, it was a mutual agreement between ITU and the respective race management group. Over the last year, there has been some confusion about drafting legal races for TriFed/USA sanctioned events.  Triathlon Federation/USA is holding to its present rules that prohibits drafting for all athletes, elites and age groupers in all of its events not part of the ITU World Cup Series. ITU will continue to experiment with drafting legal races for the elite athletes in its World Cup Series in 1995.  The Federation will continue to support its rule of no drafting allowed in all of its sanctioned events not part of the Series.

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ITU will continue to experiment with drafting legal races for the elite athletes in its World Cup Series in 1995.  The Federation will continue to support its rule of no drafting allowed in all of its sanctioned events not part of the Series.

Bravo, Tri-Fed!  Now work on the ITU to try and make them drop drafting legal races altogether.  I don’t have much interest in seeing races with drafting and I certainly don’t want the 2000 Olympics to ahve a drafting-legal triathlon.  Unless some pressure is brought to bear on the ITU, that seems a distinct possibility. Timothy — Timothy Gotsick

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                                     DECEMBER 8, 1994 Over this past season, the International Triathlon Union (ITU) experimented with drafting legal races for the elite in several World Cup Series events. For those events that chose to be drafting legal, it was a mutual agreement between ITU and the respective race management group. Over the last year, there has been some confusion about drafting legal races for TriFed/USA sanctioned events.  Triathlon Federation/USA is holding to its present rules that prohibits drafting for all athletes, elites and age groupers in all of its events not part of the ITU World Cup Series. ITU will continue to experiment with drafting legal races for the elite athletes in its World Cup Series in 1995.  The Federation will continue to support its rule of no drafting allowed in all of its sanctioned events not part of the Series.

Good.  Drafting sucks.

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:…  Triathlon Federation/USA is :holding to its present rules that prohibits drafting for all athletes, :elites and age groupers in all of its events not part of the ITU World Cup :Series. Well atleast Trifed is listening to its members Bruce Platt

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Gotsick) writes: Bravo, Tri-Fed!  Now work on the ITU to try and make them drop drafting

legal races altogether.  I don’t have much interest in seeing races with drafting and I certainly don’t want the 2000 Olympics to ahve a drafting-legal triathlon.  Unless some pressure is brought to bear on the ITU, that seems a distinct possibility.<< I agree, but I don’t think the ITU cares what Tri-Fed thinks. After all, like SZag says we’re only one country.  Why don’t we just ignore the ITU and it’s small band of pros and go on with the sport we all enjoy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ITU will continue to experiment with drafting legal races for the elite athletes in its World Cup Series in 1995.  The Federation will continue to support its rule of no drafting allowed in all of its sanctioned events not part of the Series. Bravo, Tri-Fed!  Now work on the ITU to try and make them drop drafting legal races altogether.  I don’t have much interest in seeing races with drafting and I certainly don’t want the 2000 Olympics to ahve a drafting-legal triathlon.  Unless some pressure is brought to bear on the ITU, that seems a distinct possibility. Timothy — Timothy Gotsick

This may be a rash comment but if i want to someday crash my trek 2100 because of the bozo on the side of me decided to pull out to fast or worse with out looking …….I’ll start Crit racing . Until then tell the ITU that the reason there is no drafting is easy: safety and fairness. Next time there on a training ride and in the Aero position lets hope they just another above average middle packer mark thank you for time I enjoy the reading. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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ITUathon<<

Hmmm…Has a nice ring to it. Another new word to add to the ever growing triathlon vocabulary. JJ

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<<I agree, but I don’t think the ITU cares what Tri-Fed thinks….  Why don’t we just ignore the ITU… and go on with the sport we all enjoy. As JJ knows, the time is coming, and is not far off, when the ITU may not care what the age-groupers think.  I think it would be only prudent if the age-groupers realize that sooner rather than later.   I also think there will come a point when Tri-Fed will have to choose sides, which will require some courage.  To some degree it already has, to its credit. QRman

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<<I agree, but I don’t think the ITU cares what Tri-Fed thinks….  Why don’t we just ignore the ITU… and go on with the sport we all enjoy. As JJ knows, the time is coming, and is not far off, when the ITU may not care what the age-groupers think.  I think it would be only prudent if the age-groupers realize that sooner rather than later.   I also think there will come a point when Tri-Fed will have to choose sides, which will require some courage.  To some degree it already has, to its credit. QRman

I think that you are right QRman, If the pros that are doing these draft legal races would just say no……there would not be a problem.   I know..I know, they are all trying to make a living and the cash is being offered up.  It is a very tough call for them but I think that they should try to stick together and call it out.  Will it work? I doubt it.. As long as there is money to be made ..someone will do it. just a thought zippman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I agree, but I don’t think the ITU cares what Tri-Fed thinks….  Why don’t we just ignore the ITU… and go on with the sport we all enjoy. As JJ knows, the time is coming, and is not far off, when the ITU may not care what the age-groupers think.  I think it would be only prudent if the age-groupers realize that sooner rather than later.   I also think there will come a point when Tri-Fed will have to choose sides, which will require some courage.  To some degree it already has, to its credit. QRman I think that you are right QRman, If the pros that are doing these draft legal races would just say no……there would not be a problem.  I know..I know, they are all trying to make a living and the cash is being offered up.  It is a very tough call for them but I think that they should try to stick together and call it out.  Will it work? I doubt it.. As long as there is money to be made ..someone will do it. just a thought zippman

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