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Say whut??  Millions watch hockey. Far more watch figure skating.  And hockey is a distant 4th to baseball, football, and basketball in the US market. Newsflash:  the rest of the world watches TV too.

And there they’d rather watch Futbol.   If we’re talking about NBC, I’m not sure why the rest of the world matters.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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… The point of my original post is that this very same thing (not competition fixing, but turmoil in general) is what got triathlon threatened by the IOC. Seems to me like Triathlon is/was getting a raw deal when other sports are given much more lenient treatment.

That’s because skating is a HUGE public favorite and has massive dollars (adverts, etc.) behind it. Tom

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I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one. Gold medalists are not allowed to fall or stumble. I think it might be a stretch to call it a stumble.  …

Semantics.  IM winners are not allowed to draft. Tom

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I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one. Gold medalists are not allowed to fall or stumble. I think it might be a stretch to call it a stumble.  Certainly no fall. I rewatched the final set on hdnet today and found myself puzzled.  The same announcers are used for the HD broadcast, but there are far fewer breaks, and absolutely no Bob Costas.  They seemed far less strident in insisting that the Canadians had just won, and later, that they were robbed.

I  also watched yesterday on MSNBC for the first time.  After watching both programs  I could not see where the Canadian’s program was grossly wronged or given such a raw deal.  The violin music the Russians used suited their program better and seemed to be more soothing than the piano based "Love Story" the Canadians played.  However, for the judging to be played out as if we were still in the cold war was disappointing.  Had the Russians won with  seemingly less biased scores from certain cold war loyalists the competition would have been in a much better situation to be considered fair and most everyone could have accepted the scores as simply the incidentals of subjective judging.  Could you imagine if the Ironman did not have a clock and was judged on technique, style and overall impression?  Points would be taken away for sweating too much and allowing your panty speedos to ride up too high.  Of course spitting or anything coming out of your nose or, god forbid, vomiting would be the major deductions. Rick (I’ll take the stop watch any day) Swanger Unfortunately, I had already deleted the nbc recording from – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the night before, but it left me with the impression that they re-announced the stuff they were packaging for broadcast, with an attempt to make more of it than there actually was. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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It’s all about TV ratings.  You want to guarantee triathlon a place, hire Jeff Gulooly to kneecap an ITU contender with a piece of iron pipe, then leak video of your wedding night to Blockbuster for rent.  It helps if all parties involved are attractive, and the victim says that being in a parade at Disney

It’s definitely about ratings. But not even a clubbing would bridge the difference in popularity between skating and triathlon.  Tri is a sport for participation, not viewing. Hockey even has a fight every game and it only attracts a small viewing population.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Doesn’t matter.  Several of the judges gave the same technical score to both programs.  The Canadians clearly skated a cleaner program.

The argument here is the Russians program was harder so they have the room for the slight mistakes.  Don’t know enough about the sport to say if this is a good argument. Plus the brunette is much cuter than the blonde . Both statements above are true.  ;-)

No way, the blonde is way cuter.   But whether the Canadians or Russians *should* have won isn’t the point. The point is that there isn’t *agreement* even within the International Skating Union.  Instead we have finger pointing, accusations of competition fixing, and accusations of vote trading – in short, internal turmoil.  Even more damning is that all of this has surfaced before and the ISU has done nothing to fix it. The point of my original post is that this very same thing (not competition fixing, but turmoil in general) is what got triathlon threatened by the IOC. Seems to me like Triathlon is/was getting a raw deal when other sports are given much more lenient treatment.

The turmoil in "triathlon" is much worse, perhaps that is why the IOC is more "lenient" towards the skating.  Though I don’t really agree a disservice was done, for the sake of argument I will.  That said the "turmoil" created by a couple of judges with somewhat poor judgement perhaps persuaded by their national origans does not compare to the crap that has gone on in "triathlon". John

Tim buaidh no bas

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… Hockey even has a fight every game and it only attracts a small viewing population.  

Say whut??  Millions watch hockey. Tom

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… The argument here is the Russians program was harder so they have the room for the slight mistakes.  Don’t know enough about the sport to say if this is a good argument.

Come on – the Ruskies made one major and three minor flaws.  What you are suggesting is that a rider in IMH could win because they had  one leg longer than another and fatter tires?  Even if their time was slower?  The Canucks were FLAWLESS. … The turmoil in "triathlon" is much worse, perhaps that is why the IOC is more "lenient" towards the skating.  Though I don’t really agree a disservice was done, for the sake of argument I will.  That said the "turmoil" created by a couple of judges with somewhat poor judgement perhaps persuaded by their national origans does not compare to the crap that has gone on in "triathlon".

If triathlon could draw as many dollars as skating, Avery Brundidge would still be in charge. Tom

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Hockey even has a fight every game and it only attracts a small viewing population.   Say whut??  Millions watch hockey.

Far more watch figure skating.  And hockey is a distant 4th to baseball, football, and basketball in the US market. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Hockey even has a fight every game and it only attracts a small viewing population.   Say whut??  Millions watch hockey. Far more watch figure skating.  And hockey is a distant 4th to baseball, football, and basketball in the US market.

Newsflash:  the rest of the world watches TV too. Tom

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But not even a clubbing would bridge the difference in popularity between skating and triathlon.  Tri is a sport for participation, not viewing.

Just wait, if Les has his way… Hockey even has a fight every game and it only attracts a small viewing population.

It makes more money than figure skating.

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Far more watch figure skating.  

Than hockey?  Tell that to the beer advertisers.

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Far more watch figure skating.   Than hockey?  Tell that to the beer advertisers.

Outside of hdnet, have you seen any hockey on TV yet?  Skating is nearly every night.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Isn’t it more than a little strange? The International Olympic Committee threatened to drop Triathlon from the games unless the International Triathlon Union "cleans up its act".  IOC member Craig Reedie of Britain was quoted in a 11/28/01 CNN article as follows: "The last thing the IOC wants is a divided international federation, Triathlon better get its act together. The pressure is on them." All the while the same body tolerates ridiculous judging, scandals, infighting, and other shenanigans within the figure skating community with hardly a word. Anyone still think the Olympics aren’t about money? John

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All the while the same body tolerates ridiculous judging, scandals, infighting, and other shenanigans within the figure skating community with hardly a word.

I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one. Anyone still think the Olympics aren’t about money?

Sure money is key, but it’s still fun to watch the worlds greatest athletes compete. Tim buaidh no bas

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All the while the same body tolerates ridiculous judging, scandals, infighting, and other shenanigans within the figure skating community with hardly a word. I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one.

It was as cold as the siberian winter.   But the difference between the two programs was very slight.   Were the voting not on obvious political lines, I’d give it not a thought. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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All the while the same body tolerates ridiculous judging, scandals, infighting, and other shenanigans within the figure skating community with hardly a word. I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one.

Gold medalists are not allowed to fall or stumble. Tom

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Triathlon is under the axe.  In cycling, it is said: "They can’t race, but they can Tri".  I hope you put the next two years to good use. John Bickmore www.Feed-Zone.com/MyWebSites.htm

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I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one. Gold medalists are not allowed to fall or stumble.

I think it might be a stretch to call it a stumble.  Certainly no fall. I rewatched the final set on hdnet today and found myself puzzled.  The same announcers are used for the HD broadcast, but there are far fewer breaks, and absolutely no Bob Costas.  They seemed far less strident in insisting that the Canadians had just won, and later, that they were robbed.  Unfortunately, I had already deleted the nbc recording from the night before, but it left me with the impression that they re-announced the stuff they were packaging for broadcast, with an attempt to make more of it than there actually was.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Triathlon is under the axe.  In cycling, it is said: "They can’t race, but they can Tri".

It is a little known fact that the cyclist who said that did it in bitterness after being helped back to the side of the pool by a triathlete. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope you put the next two years to good use. John Bickmore www.Feed-Zone.com/MyWebSites.htm All the while the same body tolerates ridiculous judging, scandals, infighting, and other shenanigans within the figure skating community with hardly a word. I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one. Gold medalists are not allowed to fall or stumble. Tom

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I prefered the Russians program to the Canadian one.

Doesn’t matter.  Several of the judges gave the same technical score to both programs.  The Canadians clearly skated a cleaner program. Plus the brunette is much cuter than the blonde .

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Doesn’t matter.  Several of the judges gave the same technical score to both programs.  The Canadians clearly skated a cleaner program. Plus the brunette is much cuter than the blonde .

Both statements above are true.  ;-) But whether the Canadians or Russians *should* have won isn’t the point. The point is that there isn’t *agreement* even within the International Skating Union.  Instead we have finger pointing, accusations of competition fixing, and accusations of vote trading – in short, internal turmoil.  Even more damning is that all of this has surfaced before and the ISU has done nothing to fix it. The point of my original post is that this very same thing (not competition fixing, but turmoil in general) is what got triathlon threatened by the IOC. Seems to me like Triathlon is/was getting a raw deal when other sports are given much more lenient treatment. John

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and absolutely no Bob Costas.

How refreshing

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Plus the brunette is much cuter than the blonde .

Amen. and don’t forget to score the costume coverage (or lack thereof.) If it’s judged subjectively, it’s not a sport, it’s an art.

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The point of my original post is that this very same thing (not competition fixing, but turmoil in general) is what got triathlon threatened by the IOC. Seems to me like Triathlon is/was getting a raw deal when other sports are given much more lenient treatment.

It’s all about TV ratings.  You want to guarantee triathlon a place, hire Jeff Gulooly to kneecap an ITU contender with a piece of iron pipe, then leak video of your wedding night to Blockbuster for rent.  It helps if all parties involved are attractive, and the victim says that being in a parade at Disney World with Mickey Mouse got her hot, and make female triathletes wear sequins. That’s how skating got on the map. When our city was debating spending $15 million on a SECOND indoor Olympic ice rink, I researched figure skating participation with the US Sporting Goods Association.  It was steadily dropping for over a decade, but there was a heck of a spike right after Tonya Harding did her thing.  Synchronized swimmers the world over WISHED someone would kneecap one of them. Of course, all this assumes Olympic inclusion is a good thing. Both this latest and the past skating scandals surrounding the Olympics are just more evidence that it’s not.

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Where can you go to get yourself VO2 max tested in a lab in the UK? How must does it typically cost, and will Bupa pay for it? Cheers.

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I had mine done years ago at the British Olympic Medical Lab at Northwick Park Hospital in London. Don’t know if they still do it though. About

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I might be there, depending on various logistical factors Ron ‘like whether I can find the money for the entry fee after all the money I’ve spent on toys for my bike’ Gilcreast – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is any one going to compete in the donner lake triathlon on Sunday July 18th

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is any one going to compete in the donner lake triathlon on Sunday July 18th evan

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I’ll be doing the Olym-international distance….. ….and my girlfriend will be doing her first sprint! It should be beautiful up there….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -is any one going to compete in the donner lake triathlon on Sunday July 18th evan

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Maybe… Depends on work.

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is any one going to compete in the donner lake triathlon on Sunday July 18th

I’ll be there.  It is one spectacular race.  On the downside, it’s not USAT sanctioned this year.  Watch out for drafting packs on the back side of Donner Pass.  I’ve yet to see an unsanctioned race where the promoters took any serious steps to curb drafting, and I would hate to see a great event ruined, but Change of Pace has a good track record and I don’t think it would be right to pre-judge them, either. See you up there! Tellus Venture Associates "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win."  R.A.H.

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Where can a visitor to downtown Denver go to put in a few hundred yards?

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Where can a visitor to downtown Denver go to put in a few hundred yards?

If you’re looking for year-round, full-size, accessible swimming pools anywhere in the world, aim your browser to http://lornet.com/~SGOL.  The most recent update (April 4) has 5,917 listings in 72 countries, including 22 in Denver. The update planned for May 2 will take us over the 6,000 pool mark (6,030 at latest count) and will add at least two more countries to the list. — Regards, Bill Haverland                     Swimmers Guide Online                    http://lornet.com/~SGOL                 So many pools, so little time.

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Where can a visitor to downtown Denver go to put in a few hundred yards? If you’re looking for year-round, full-size, accessible swimming pools anywhere in the world, aim your browser to http://lornet.com/~SGOL.

Thanks –this is a great resource!

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Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

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Peter, Well, I am one of the minority who didn’t decide that you were wrong and bash you up and down. In my opinion, you had a right to be pissed, and the other person’s non-responsiveness and the apparent loss of your items certainly made it justifiable. I will not criticize you for posting your angry comments to rst. In fact, I appreciated the reminder of the risk of net transactions with some possible upcoming items to sell myself. I think most people are scared when they see true emotions being revealed. I do hope you will reconsider your choice to stay off rst. I am sure that your input will be appreciated and useful. There are many others, including me, who have done similar things (posted angry comments when an agreement was breached). These things are soon forgotten. Anyway, good health to you and I do hope you get your matter resolved. (BTW, I found it interesting how everyone condemned YOU when it looked alot like you were the one who got screwed. Go figure.) -Rolf Arands — I am Iron Mac…       …a student of Ironman, ever learning…                                       …about having faith.         IMC’94/14:07    IMC’95/11:59    IMC’97/12:12    IMC’98/14:02

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I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

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I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

I certainly don’t want Peter to be shunned, and I do hope his situation is resolved. I just don’t think we should use the group for airing specific grievances with the intent of forcing the accused to capitulate to avoid public embarassment. I never complained about for-sale posts on RST, and responded to those who did that removing ads would not be an appropriate response to the problem I was complaining about. But Peter’s response strikes me a trifle petty, if I can get away with making so obvious an observation. I hoped that my position would be argued on the merits, and not be construed as ad hominem attacks, or as a recommendation to shun Peter’s posts. Or even lead to a "take my toys and go home" response. I think I supported all my suggestions with thought-out arguments. You may disagree, and we can discuss it. If I didn’t think it was important, I would not have brought it up. If people accuse other people of criminal acts on the Internet, and they choose to do so where I will see it, then I will complain. I have a conviction against it, and convictions make waves when necessary. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Rick, my response was entirely based on Peter’s decision to not post FS stuff on RST anymore.  Note that this entire thread was about his decision to not post on RST in the future, and had nothing to do with the issue of trying someone via Usenet. I was hoping to encourage him that there were still people who had good dealings with him, and I for one would like to see his ads…. or delete them as I go, it is after all my choice. In no way was my post a reflection on your rational thoughts regarding trial by Usenet, and I agree with your position entirely.  I didn’t realize how much one thread spilled over into the other.  I probably should have, this is a passionate subject. Sorry if I worded this poorly. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific. I certainly don’t want Peter to be shunned, and I do hope his situation is resolved. I just don’t think we should use the group for airing specific grievances with the intent of forcing the accused to capitulate to avoid public embarassment. I never complained about for-sale posts on RST, and responded to those who did that removing ads would not be an appropriate response to the problem I was complaining about. But Peter’s response strikes me a trifle petty, if I can get away with making so obvious an observation. I hoped that my position would be argued on the merits, and not be construed as ad hominem attacks, or as a recommendation to shun Peter’s posts. Or even lead to a "take my toys and go home" response. I think I supported all my suggestions with thought-out arguments. You may disagree, and we can discuss it. If I didn’t think it was important, I would not have brought it up. If people accuse other people of criminal acts on the Internet, and they choose to do so where I will see it, then I will complain. I have a conviction against it, and convictions make waves when necessary. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone had used the camelback aeroflow?  I have seen it in many a catalog and in triathlete mag and it looks like just what I need.  I can’t use the aerocages behind the saddle, because of my seat pack. tri-ke (Mike)

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Mike,  I use the Trimble dual cage holder which attaches to your seat rails. It has just enough space between the bottle mounts to get a small seatpack in. I use a Blackburn Bullet pack and it holds two tubes, tire levers,CO2 Superflate, etc. Regards,          Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was wondering if anyone had used the camelback aeroflow?  I have seen it in many a catalog and in triathlete mag and it looks like just what I need.  I can’t use the aerocages behind the saddle, because of my seat pack. tri-ke (Mike)

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I agree… — TRIATHLON     3 TIMES THE FUN IF YOU HAVE TO DRAFT—TAKE UP A DIFFERENT SPORT!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – those sort have never riden HED wheels….just Zipp with never a failure?) I purchased a HED J2 front wheel from them and upon receipt noticed that some of the spokes were loose.  I called HED and learned that someone at John Cobb’s place actually puts the wheels together.  HED sends them the spokes, hub and rim parts.  They commented that sometimes the folks used to put the wheels together don’t always do a good job at Cobb’s.  HEd said to send them the wheel and they would fix it at no charge.  I did that and have had no problem at all with it since then.  My problem with this whole thing is that HED should monitor what the dealers are doing and I also don’t like the idea of some other company putting a wheel together when I thought HED manufactured the whole thing. gil

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never riden HED wheels….just Zipp with never a failure?) Sam Km40….cheers!  

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never riden HED wheels….just Zipp with never a failure?)

I purchased a HED J2 front wheel from them and upon receipt noticed that some of the spokes were loose.  I called HED and learned that someone at John Cobb’s place actually puts the wheels together.  HED sends them the spokes, hub and rim parts.  They commented that sometimes the folks used to put the wheels together don’t always do a good job at Cobb’s.  HEd said to send them the wheel and they would fix it at no charge.  I did that and have had no problem at all with it since then.  My problem with this whole thing is that HED should monitor what the dealers are doing and I also don’t like the idea of some other company putting a wheel together when I thought HED manufactured the whole thing. gil

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If you are looking for a place to buy wheels this is it.  I purchased a pair of Hed deep dish wheels for there, a year later the rear hub flange on the drive side broke, I called them and they ship it to them and they would fix it the same day and ship it back the same day, talk about great customer support!!!!  Not bad for buying through the mail…    Give them a try!!! TRIATHLON     3 TIMES THE FUN IF YOU HAVE TO DRAFT—TAKE UP A DIFFERENT SPORT!!!!

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I bought a HED Light disc from them a few years ago…mail ordering a disc sounds dicey, but they were great.  Give ‘em a shot if you are in the market.

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Where is JJ

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Has anyone seen JJ ? or has he fallen off the face of the earth  I miss his postings.  MCMEAT1

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Has anyone seen JJ ? or has he fallen off the face of the earth  I miss his postings.  MCMEAT1

Let’s all welcome AOL newbie Peter Coulson (MCMEAT1), husband of world champ Michellie Jones ) to rst. That’s a bait, and I’m not biting.    ;-) — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Justice) writes: Has anyone seen JJ ? or has he fallen off the face of the earth  I miss his postings.  MCMEAT1 Let’s all welcome AOL newbie Peter Coulson (MCMEAT1), husband of world champ Michellie Jones ) to rst. That’s a bait, and I’m not biting.    ;-) — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

Peter (MCMEAT): Welcome to RST.  How about an explanation on your handle — MCMEAT1?  I enjoyed reading the latest Triathlete magazine article which featured Michellie and you.  The American Gothic pose in front of your CA house was almost appropriate.  You should have had a pen and Michellie a bike or some triathlon tool of the trade.  A Michellie quote at the end of one artilcle was somewhat curious: "I don’t like what triathlon’s evolving to, but I can live with myself — I’ve done all I can," and "Now I’ll do like Karen:  If you’re a good athlete, you can still win under any format."   This seems to conflict with the quote, " The money is just a bonus" Is she giving up on her stand against drafting and conceding to the forces that pay (ITU series participation)?  or is there nowhere to turn now that the ITGP is also going drafting — and discriminating against women!  The triathlon world is tough. I’ll be rooting for Michellie at Muncie in a longer distance format (and non drafting).  I am one of those (American) men who admire the accomplishments of female triathletes like Michellie and pay attention to the brands of equipment they use! Tucker Newberry Falls Church, VA USA

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Has anyone seen JJ ? or has he fallen off the face of the earth  I miss his postings.  MCMEAT1 Let’s all welcome AOL newbie Peter Coulson (MCMEAT1), husband of world champ Michellie Jones ) to rst. That’s a bait, and I’m not biting.    ;-)

What I want to know is what does the MCMEAT1 mean???  Is it possible that there’s another red meat eating triathlete out there???  And I thought I was the only one! — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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Let’s all welcome AOL newbie Peter Coulson (MCMEAT1), husband of world champ Michellie Jones ) to rst. That’s a bait, and I’m not biting.    ;-) — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

Welcome to rst, Peter. Dave Aggett Dartmouth, N. S.

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Another long-time lurker is unveiled! McMeat1 is really Peter Coulson, husband of Michellie Jones. So, now I understand who was behind the unsigned e-mail message — it read, simply, "go away" — that I got in response to one of my recent ITU-related postings. Made for a great first impression, obviously. Peter, now that you’re here, maybe Michellie could give you a few tips about manners? Seems that sponsors adore her for her ability to mingle and make many around her feel good. Katherine Williams

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60 miles a week for a 39 minute 10K!  Good grief. Sounds to me like your potential for faster times is enormous!  I run 42 but have only two runs per week totaling 12 miles.  One fartlek, and one hilly trail run.  I think you could cut down your mileage, and just did a little more quality speed work. Pete Smillie

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 I read somewhere that the best thing you can do to improve your 10K time is to increase your weekly long runs…if you are running about an hour then increase your runs to an hour and a half or two hours over time..i improved my time from 39:05 to 38:44 this year..which isn’t much, but all I did was increased my weekly mileage from 30-40 to at least 50-60.  I hope to improve it more soon.  Also, you can do track sessions of like 4 X 10 minutes with a lap walk inbetween at 15 seconds per mile slower than your 10K race pace.. It doesn’t sound that tough, but by the time you get to the last couple of intervals , you’ll probably feel terrible.  I did.

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As another WAG on this group once said, "To become a better runner (in triathlon), become a better biker!"  It’s hard to run on trashed legs – anything you can do to become more efficient on the bike and save some for the run will help.

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:Can anyone recommend a training schedule for improving 10K times ?. :I’m currently running about 7 minute miles for 10K. This all very well … :I currently run 2/3 times a week 4.5/5.5 miles each and one of these :contains some sprints up a hill. To get down to that level you’ll need to start running more frequently and a bit longer.  Once a week or maybe once every other week you should

All good advice.  I’ve got one more tidbit to toss in.  If you are doing any other running-intensive sports, cut way back.  I play lots of soccer (3+ times a week, usually 2+ hours at a time).  The more distance running I do, the worse my soccer performance is.  The more soccer, the slower my distance pace.  If I cut back on soccer, my distance times quickly drop. Cross training does help, but it takes forever to improve in multiple sports that compete for the use of the same muscle groups.  BTW, neither biking nor swimming impacts soccer much – they actually seem to help. – Tim Iverson

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: :Can anyone recommend a training schedule for improving 10K times ?. :I’m currently running about 7 minute miles for 10K. This all very well :for a fun run or training but it doesn’t really cut the mustard in :competition. In an ideal world I’d like to knock it down to sub 6 :minute miles. I can hold this pace for a couple of miles but find :it quite tough. : :I currently run 2/3 times a week 4.5/5.5 miles each and one of these :contains some sprints up a hill. To get down to that level you’ll need to start running more frequently and a bit longer.  Once a week or maybe once every other week you should do a long run (8 miles +) at a moderate, steady pace.  Build the distance on this slowly week by week.  Try to run at least 5 days per week, with one of the runs being a hard, steady run of moderate distance (4-6 miles).  Another run should be either intervals (preferably on a track) or hill repeats.  Be careful with intervals, though, when building to 5 runs per week.  Perhaps only hill repeats for a month or two.  Intervals build that speed you’ll need to go sub-6.  The remaining two runs should be at an easy to moderate pace.  Remember, also, that you need at least one full day’s rest between the long run, the hard steady run, and the intervals.  Your body will likely break down otherwise. Good luck!  And while your at it, why not throw in some cross-training (biking and swimming) so that we’ll see you at a triathlon next year? — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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Can anyone recommend a training schedule for improving 10K times ?. I’m currently running about 7 minute miles for 10K. This all very well for a fun run or training but it doesn’t really cut the mustard in competition. In an ideal world I’d like to knock it down to sub 6 minute miles. I can hold this pace for a couple of miles but find it quite tough. I currently run 2/3 times a week 4.5/5.5 miles each and one of these contains some sprints up a hill.

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Is there anyone doing the Winchester Tri on August 20 that would like to work out a carpool to leave a car at the finish area and one at the start so we don’t have to wait for the bus back to the start? I live near Sterling Va. and can meet out at the finish line early on Sunday morning.  If you’re interested let me know and let’s get in touch by phone.  

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Is there anyone doing the Winchester Tri on August 20 that would like to work out a carpool to leave a car at the finish area and one at the start so we don’t have to wait for the bus back to the start? I live near Sterling Va. and can meet out at the finish line early on Sunday morning.  If you’re interested let me know and let’s get in touch by phone.  

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