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I think this is a great runners message board.  Is there anything similar for road biking? Thanks, Rob

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rec.bicycles.racing but it is definitely slanted to racing. You should be able to do a search at whatever dejanews.com is this week for bicycle related groups. It has been my experience that this is a much nicer and friendlier group.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think this is a great runners message board.  Is there anything similar for road biking? Thanks, Rob

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rec.bicycles.racing  Road racing coverage, mostly European Circut rec.bicycles.rides    Touring info with trip reports rec.bicycles.tech    Repair and component question rec.bicycles.soc All these groups have a good amount of posting. racing has a lot of good natured "my favorite rider is better than your’s" flame wars. During Tour de France you can expect up to 300 posts per day. If you can’t find coverage of a race then check out here for frequent updates. rides focuses on touring and a bit on fittness. I’ve never read soc but I understand it is ok. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think this is a great runners message board.  Is there anything similar for road biking? Thanks, Rob

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Hi, Try rec.sport.triathlon. Ciaran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think this is a great runners message board.  Is there anything similar for road biking? Thanks, Rob

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I, too, have never finished (or yet attempted) an Ironman. My first attempt will be IM USA this summer.  By that time, I will have trained for about 14 months. I’ve never put this much effort into anything. _IF_ I do complete it, I will consider it the most impressive thing I’ve ever done. I am considering getting a tatoo to commemorate it. The only tatoo I would ever consider, though, is a very undertated, postage stamp sized copy of the periodic table of the elements entry for Iron.

Ahhh, now you’re talking my language!!! My sig below shows the same thing because I’d figure it to be a healthy marriage between my chemistry background and my Ironman status. If you finish, I’ll say go for it!!                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMCAL, IMC Y2K IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Why stop at iron?  How about the symbols for Samarium, Berkelium, and Radon, plus a factorial:  Sm, Bk, Rn! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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red m-dot , black outline on outside of left calf love it john

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 Wasn’t it someone on this list that was once wearing M-Dot earrings and was asked why she was wearing Timex earrings?

Yes, that was my wife.  I bought her a pair after her 1994 finish. She was asked by co-workers where she got her Timex earrings.  I posted this last year to make the point that is what most people associate with the mdot – Timex! -Charlie

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2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?  It does confirm a real achievement, but isn’t it sort of like getting a COKE or FORD logo tattoo? or worse – a swoosh?

How about a Harley Davidson tatoo?  There’s more than a few of those around. Larry

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2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?  It does confirm a real achievement, but isn’t it sort of like getting a COKE or FORD logo tattoo? or worse – a swoosh?

I, too, have never finished (or yet attempted) an Ironman. My first attempt will be IM USA this summer.  By that time, I will have trained for about 14 months. I’ve never put this much effort into anything. _IF_ I do complete it, I will consider it the most impressive thing I’ve ever done. I am considering getting a tatoo to commemorate it. The only tatoo I would ever consider, though, is a very undertated, postage stamp sized copy of the periodic table of the elements entry for Iron.

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What a great idea! And it gets rightpast the whole corporate logo thing! I had always thought the m-dot thing would be the way to go, but that sounds like a better idea. I’ve got plenty of time to think about it, I’m still working on the 1/2 IM. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?  It does confirm a real achievement, but isn’t it sort of like getting a COKE or FORD logo tattoo? or worse – a swoosh? I, too, have never finished (or yet attempted) an Ironman. My first attempt will be IM USA this summer.  By that time, I will have trained for about 14 months. I’ve never put this much effort into anything. _IF_ I do complete it, I will consider it the most impressive thing I’ve ever done. I am considering getting a tatoo to commemorate it. The only tatoo I would ever consider, though, is a very undertated, postage stamp sized copy of the periodic table of the elements entry for Iron.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess the other i-man corporate races don’t count, which answers my original question: is it ok get one if you do Great Floridian?  Will some guy in Hawaii sue you? IMHO, not so – you do the distance, you earn the title.  Were I a tattoo-gettin’ kind of guy (and I haven’t ruled it out yet), I certainly earned it and would’ve gotten one after GFT in ‘97. 2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?

Ah, but with a little imagination (and a good artist), one could come up with something very cool, not an M-dot and more personalized to the specific race. clm in sf, who has her old roommie working on something for IM Cal — Cathy Morgan, San Francisco, CA 1/00 SF 1/2 Marathon; 4/00 St. Anthony’s Tri; 5/00 IM California 7/00  Vineman 1/2 IM; 8/00 Mrs. T’s Triathlon; 10/00 Off to Kona

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Initial disclaimer:  I’ve never raced an ironman. 1)  "The Euros say you shouldn’t get an m-dot tattoo unless you’ve done Hawaii."  I guess the other i-man corporate races don’t count, which answers my original question: is it ok get one if you do Great Floridian?  Will some guy in Hawaii sue you? 2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?  It does confirm a real achievement, but isn’t it sort of like getting a COKE or FORD logo tattoo? or worse – a swoosh? 3) Finally, is anyone else in this group old enough to remember the great Who song:  "Welcome to my life, tattoo.  I’m a man now, thanks to you"? They are cool tho – almost as cool as the achievement. pwclapp

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2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?  It does confirm a real achievement, but isn’t it sort of like getting a COKE or FORD logo tattoo? or worse – a swoosh?

The IM tattoos really are cool. When I see them on someone else, I like them, they look good, I fully understand the decision to get one. But on myself, yes – as you say – Coke or Ford or IM, they are corporations and I would be a walking ad for the firm. Also, I don’t like the suggestion (to myself) of being literally labeled as a triathlete above all other possible identifications. It’s not my first and uppermost self. And still, and still, they really are so cool. I have the pendants as evidence of my participation and that caused quite a sneer from one of my kids; I would love showing him a tattoo. If anyone thinks that shocking one’s parents is a joy, wait until you experience the exhilaration of shocking your kids. Ruth Kazez

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I guess the other i-man corporate races don’t count, which answers my original question: is it ok get one if you do Great Floridian?  Will some guy in Hawaii sue you?

IMHO, not so – you do the distance, you earn the title.  Were I a tattoo-gettin’ kind of guy (and I haven’t ruled it out yet), I certainly earned it and would’ve gotten one after GFT in ‘97. 2)  As totally cool as it is, and it is, does anyone else feel a little silly/queasy to consider getting a corporate logo tattoo?

This may be the ONLY thing holding me back. There are a few things I don’t like about WTC, all of which have been discussed ad nauseum here and other places – the thought of sticking their logo on my body still gives me pause.  Also, with the M-Dot logo being plastered on a plethora of crap out there (I saw an Ironman treadmill the other day, and Ironman sunglasses at the local CVS pharmacy last week!), it’s taking on a whole new meaning.  Wasn’t it someone on this list that was once wearing M-Dot earrings and was asked why she was wearing Timex earrings? 3) Finally, is anyone else in this group old enough to remember the great Who song:  "Welcome to my life, tattoo.  I’m a man now, thanks to you"?

Not only am I old enough to remember them, they’re probably my favorite group – and I still can’t believe they never had a #1 hit! They are cool tho – almost as cool as the achievement.

Nah, I don’t think they come close in comparison!  I’d gladly do IM again before getting a tattoo!  ;-) John John Faith Fort Washington, MD, USA "Hell, kid – I’m too old to grow up! – Huey Walker

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Believe me after ironman I will be in no rush to get back in a pool or train for a while. ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remember that after the ‘operation’ you must not take sun and/or swim in pools for a loooong time (for better results). That means very big problems with training. Hah! Who trains after an IM? <g I really am going to get back in the pool soon. Next week. Mike "For sure"  Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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The sun part shouldn’t be a problem over here in the UK then. Nick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remember that after the ‘operation’ you must not take sun and/or swim in pools for a loooong time (for better results). That means very big problems with training. Mine’s 10 years old. Very happy about it. Paolo Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

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Thanks and congatulations. I think I might want to work up to one of those tatts – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alberto-no question is a stupid question. In the ironman logo the "M" has a dot on top of it. That is the m-dot logo. Many get this tattoo on them after completing an ironman and I will be doing so to remind me every day of this experience. Ken And welcome to the triathlon world Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks I am new to the world of triathlons and even though this maybe a silly question what is an m-dot tattoo?

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Remember that after the ‘operation’ you must not take sun and/or swim in pools for a loooong time (for better results). That means very big problems with training. Mine’s 10 years old. Very happy about it. Paolo

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Remember that after the ‘operation’ you must not take sun and/or swim in pools for a loooong time (for better results). That means very big problems with training.

Hah! Who trains after an IM? <g I really am going to get back in the pool soon. Next week. Mike "For sure"  Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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Ken, the best way to find out where to get the tattoo is to try with temporary ones, and you’ll see if you like it or not at that spot.  Fyi, my hubby and I both got ours on our left ankle (btw, that is a very painful spot to get a tattoo!) Iron Titanik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

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back of left ankle, just over running/cycling sock line.  the Europeans say it is not proper to get one until you do Hawaii, then again, i think all the Euros make hawaii… shaun IMUSA 10:32

10:32 in a ‘not-very-fast-course’ means you get whatever freaking tatoo you want (in my ‘loser’ opinion). —  Gus Coll                     o    "Life is short.                   __o       </_    Learn fast!"     /o__       _ <_     __/      

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Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

I am new to the world of triathlons and even though this maybe a silly question what is an m-dot tattoo?

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Alberto-no question is a stupid question. In the ironman logo the "M" has a dot on top of it. That is the m-dot logo. Many get this tattoo on them after completing an ironman and I will be doing so to remind me every day of this experience. Ken And welcome to the triathlon world – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks I am new to the world of triathlons and even though this maybe a silly question what is an m-dot tattoo?

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Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

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Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

I got mine high up on the shoulder where it’s only visible when exercising. In business attire (Park Ranger uniform, actually) it’s not visible. In some occupations it wouldn’t matter, but in mine it does. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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back of left ankle, just over running/cycling sock line.  the Europeans say it is not proper to get one until you do Hawaii, then again, i think all the Euros make hawaii… shaun IMUSA 10:32 Before you buy.

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Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

Ideally you would want one in a place where it shows when in your shorts and singlet, but hidden under your business attire. The ankle and the shoulder are popular places for it.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMCAL, IMC Y2K IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Ken, I have mine on the outside of my calf.  I get compliments all the time. Just make sure that you really want the tattoo because it is permanent. Craig – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering where the men who got m-dot tattoos got them.Im getting one after IMC and just wondering where on the body to get it. Thanks

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How does one do the plyometric hopping? I have a book of plyometric workouts, but it does not have hopping.  It sounds simplistic, but there are a million different variations of plyometric jumping, but none of hopping. Sigh.   Now how about the plyometric leg press? SERIOUS says it is a Vasa trainer workout, but I think that some bands might work. I have seen the plyo squat, but not leg press. Any one with experience? I never have done this stuff, so I really am a newby. Now the narrow stance 90% squat? Usually I have done squats at about shoulder width apart, but what’s narrow? Side by side?   And 90%, is that just to above horizontal thighs? — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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Think "Bunny Hop", you know, the dance. It goes over BIG at the High School Track and Cross Country

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Hello How does one do the plyometric hopping? I have a book of plyometric workouts, but it does not have hopping.  It sounds simplistic, but there are a million different variations of plyometric jumping, but none of hopping. Sigh.

You hop. On the spot, travelling, lateral, back and forwards, upstairs, downstairs. Start with small sets and 5-10 reps. Now how about the plyometric leg press? SERIOUS says it is a Vasa trainer workout, but I think that some bands might work. I have seen the plyo squat, but not leg press. Any one with experience?

Forget it. The plyometric squat machine developed by Greg Wilson is one thing, fooling with a leg press machine is asking for trouble. Ordinary two leg jumps in various forms should be more than sufficient. Now the narrow stance 90% squat? Usually I have done squats at about shoulder width apart, but what’s narrow? Side by side? And 90%, is that just to above horizontal thighs?

The narrower the more the thighs are worked. Wider squats involve the glutes more. Cheers Hamish — Hamish Ferguson BA, Dip Sp St, Cert Coach Personal Trainer, Cycling Coach and Nutrition Student 210b Hastings St East, Christchurch 8002, New Zealand Phone 64 3 377 4463, Fax 64 3 377 4463, Mobile 025 221 1287 ICQ #12592660

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BTW what are Spinervals and why are Plyos done in the middle? Plyos are a very serious form of training. No I don’t mean you have to do them with a stern look on your face, they are very physically demanding and if done incorrectly can easily cause injury. When I do plyos (for aerobics) it is when very fresh, motivated and feeling 100%.

Hamish – For spinervals check out www.coachtroy.com They are high intensity bike sessions on an indoor trainer.  Probably very similar to what you would see in a spinning class down your way. Coach Troy is pretty clear in terms of technique.  No bouncing, stop immediately if any pain is felt.  I do plyos at the end of my weights sessions, just before abs.  I would be interested in more on why you think that you have to be 100% fresh.  That would be my view on squats due to the need for balance and control of several different muscle groups. On the plyos my first month was 3×15.  I am now on 3×20.  From about 15 onwards on each set is a lacto-fest.  By the end of the last set I am barely clearing the floor.  However, my recovery is pretty quick.  I agree that they are very demanding and that is why I like them. gordon byrn

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Hello For spinervals check out www.coachtroy.com They are high intensity bike sessions on an indoor trainer.  Probably very similar to what you would see in a spinning class down your way.

Thanks. I would be interested in more on why you think that you have to be 100% fresh.  That would be my view on squats due to the need for balance and control of several different muscle groups.

I mean as plyos when done correctly involve jumping, landing and immediately sprining back up. AKA "shock training (Verkoshansky)" or "stretch shortening" (most US authors) which will put a lot of stress on the muscle and loads the joints to a large extent. From two perspectives. One you would want to be fresh to make sure that the ground time between leaps is minimal. The shorter the ground time the better for power development. To prevent injury you would also want to ensure that techinique is spot on. Two good reasons for doing plyos while fresh. Other texts (Dinitiman: Training for speed) suggest never doing plyos till you can either squat 1.5 X bodyweight or leg press 2.5 X bodyweight. On the weights2 mailing list some of the people who are more informed on plyos having learnt first hands from the Russians who developed the idea (Verkoshansky) question the high rep approach to plyos anyway. They use sets of one rep aiming for maximal power as one would when doing an Olympic lift (snatch, clean and jerk, powerclean) to develop power. Otherwise you may as well do a high impact aerobics class. On the plyos my first month was 3×15.  I am now on 3×20.  From about 15 onwards on each set is a lacto-fest.  By the end of the last set I am barely clearing the floor.  However, my recovery is pretty quick.  I agree that they are very demanding and that is why I like them.

Sounds like they are not real plyos although the exercise will help develop muscle endurance and more be more specific conditioning for triathlon than pure plyos which are more benficial for someone like me who does gymnastics and sport aerobics. Cheers Hamish — Hamish Ferguson BA, Dip Sp St, Cert Coach Personal Trainer, Cycling Coach and Nutrition Student 210b Hastings St East, Christchurch 8002, New Zealand Phone 64 3 377 4463, Fax 64 3 377 4463, Mobile 025 221 1287 ICQ #12592660

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello For improving performance on the bike I would be pretty skeptical of any benefit from Plyos. Cant see how eccentric loading will assist cycling which is purely concentric loading. Running may be another story yet I think sufficient overload in running can be gained through sprinting. In terms of injury prevention high rep weight training seems to be in vouge at present. BTW what are Spinervals and why are Plyos done in the middle? Plyos are a very serious form of training. No I don’t mean you have to do them with a stern look on your face, they are very physically demanding and if done incorrectly can easily cause injury. When I do plyos (for aerobics) it is when very fresh, motivated and feeling 100%. Cheers Hamish "alleged hater of 12 year old kids" Ferguson —

Mornin’ As a former triple jumper, I spent a reasonable amount of time bounding and jumping to train elastic strength (ie the ability to rebound after landing) which was fairly specific to the sport. Is there any argument for including such training in a tri programme? Would that be in addition to, or instead of traditional weight lifting? I know that elastic strength components can also be trained by chucking around light weights quickly, but I have to say that I have preference for working with bodyweight and without apparatus as much as possible. Any offers? Andy Arnold

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What are people’s opinions on plyometrics in general?  I use the Spinervals workouts, and they throw plyometric stuff in the middle of workouts.  Are they beneficial, or would I do better to just stay in the saddle? Scott Hoffman

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says… Think "Bunny Hop", you know, the dance. It goes over BIG at the High School Track and Cross Country

Bunny hop, as it heels to butt squat, with a burst up? Yikes! Rob — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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Hello For improving performance on the bike I would be pretty skeptical of any benefit from Plyos. Cant see how eccentric loading will assist cycling which is purely concentric loading. Running may be another story yet I think sufficient overload in running can be gained through sprinting. In terms of injury prevention high rep weight training seems to be in vouge at present. BTW what are Spinervals and why are Plyos done in the middle? Plyos are a very serious form of training. No I don’t mean you have to do them with a stern look on your face, they are very physically demanding and if done incorrectly can easily cause injury. When I do plyos (for aerobics) it is when very fresh, motivated and feeling 100%. Cheers Hamish "alleged hater of 12 year old kids" Ferguson — Hamish Ferguson BA, Dip Sp St, Cert Coach Personal Trainer, Cycling Coach and Nutrition Student 210b Hastings St East, Christchurch 8002, New Zealand Phone 64 3 377 4463, Fax 64 3 377 4463, Mobile 025 221 1287 ICQ #12592660 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are people’s opinions on plyometrics in general?  I use the Spinervals workouts, and they throw plyometric stuff in the middle of workouts.  Are they beneficial, or would I do better to just stay in the saddle? Scott Hoffman

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If you go to http://whiterock-marathon.com that should do it! I had a GREAT time! Lloyd Hanning – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Anybody know when/if the results from this year’s Dallas White Rock Marathon (12/13/98) will be posted to the web?  I just checked their website this evening and it’s still not there. JoeDom Joe’s Running Links http://joedom.home.mindspring.com I just saw results on the Runner/Triathlete News page: http://www.runnertriathletenews.com/results/index.html The Dallas Morning News has a searchable database with race stories at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sports-nf/white_rock/. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Anybody know when/if the results from this year’s Dallas White Rock Marathon (12/13/98) will be posted to the web?  I just checked their website this evening and it’s still not there. JoeDom Joe’s Running Links http://joedom.home.mindspring.com I just saw results on the Runner/Triathlete News page: http://www.runnertriathletenews.com/results/index.html

The Dallas Morning News has a searchable database with race stories at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sports-nf/white_rock/. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Hey, Anybody know when/if the results from this year’s Dallas White Rock Marathon (12/13/98) will be posted to the web?  I just checked their website this evening and it’s still not there. JoeDom Joe’s Running Links http://joedom.home.mindspring.com

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Try these: Relay results: http://home.navisoft.com/apple/relay98.htm Marathon results: http://home.navisoft.com/apple/dwrm98r.htm Dallas Morning News searchable database: http://207.238.232.155/whiterock/form.htm Enjoy!!! -Dan the Man White Rock ‘98 03:26:15 and still dropping. . .

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Hey, Anybody know when/if the results from this year’s Dallas White Rock Marathon (12/13/98) will be posted to the web?  I just checked their website this evening and it’s still not there. JoeDom Joe’s Running Links http://joedom.home.mindspring.com

I just saw results on the Runner/Triathlete News page: http://www.runnertriathletenews.com/results/index.html

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: There is a hole chapter for the serious/competive athlete.  I haven’t : read that chapter because thats not me. : I’m curious as to what the consensus is on this book.  I recently picked : it up and found it not worth much.  Edwards spends chapter after chapter : repeating the same basic principles in new patterns without adding : anything substantively new — particularly for the serious/competitive : athlete. I kept waiting for the real meat of how to train with a HRM or : how it could help me improve, and I must say that I didn’t find it here : (nor have I found it elsewhere — any other suggestions?). Yes, but the chapter on the competitive athlete is nothing more than another rehashing of the same points she makes repetitively in the rest of the book: change the numbers and you’ve got the same thing, with no substantive _training_ information or practical pointers.  It’s as if she just cut and pasted each chapter with slight tweaks in the numbers. *Dana who got a lot more cranky and critical about poor writing after going through her Ph.D. comprehensive exams

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I have recently taken the plunge and purchased a Polar HRM. While I have experienced a fair amount of success during 20 years of running and triathlon competition, I thought it was time to finally get one. Are there any websites that can help with the following information: – How to determine Max HR with home testing? – How to calculate the various training zones( aerobic, anaerobic, etc . .)? – What workouts are best for elavating AT and how to make the best use of the HRM during these workouts? I checked the Polar site and there was not much there. Thank you. Steve Fleck

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Try Sally Edwards "Heart Zone Training" Phil Deneau

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: Try Sally Edwards : "Heart Zone Training" I’m curious as to what the consensus is on this book.  I recently picked it up and found it not worth much.  Edwards spends chapter after chapter repeating the same basic principles in new patterns without adding anything substantively new — particularly for the serious/competitive athlete. I kept waiting for the real meat of how to train with a HRM or how it could help me improve, and I must say that I didn’t find it here (nor have I found it elsewhere — any other suggestions?). *Dana

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        It has been a few years since I skimmed it and was not impressed.  This was before my degree and work in the field.  I think I’ll read it again since you bring it up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Try Sally Edwards : "Heart Zone Training" I’m curious as to what the consensus is on this book.  I recently picked it up and found it not worth much.  Edwards spends chapter after chapter repeating the same basic principles in new patterns without adding anything substantively new — particularly for the serious/competitive athlete. I kept waiting for the real meat of how to train with a HRM or how it could help me improve, and I must say that I didn’t find it here (nor have I found it elsewhere — any other suggestions?). *Dana

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There is a hole chapter for the serious/competive athlete.  I haven’t read that chapter because thats not me.  She also mentions a newsletter in the book.  Plus her email address is in the book drop her a line to see  where she might point you. Sally had an older book called too but the title escapes me; this one was published last year. Phil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Try Sally Edwards : "Heart Zone Training" I’m curious as to what the consensus is on this book.  I recently picked it up and found it not worth much.  Edwards spends chapter after chapter repeating the same basic principles in new patterns without adding anything substantively new — particularly for the serious/competitive athlete. I kept waiting for the real meat of how to train with a HRM or how it could help me improve, and I must say that I didn’t find it here (nor have I found it elsewhere — any other suggestions?). *Dana

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I would recommend free weights simply because you can work multiple joints in a routine and spend less time in the gym and more time on the bike and the run or swim.

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Hi Keith, could you mail the handout to me? Steve LeMire

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Keith, Please send me a copy this handout, also. thanks Gene Leddin

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Well I am on my second year as a Tri-athlete and I am starting to look at adding some weight lifting exercises to my regimen.  Can someone recomend specific exercises, number of reps, etc to do?  The gym I use has free weights and Cybex equipment…also wondering which one of these I should focus on. Thanks in advance!

Well, that’s a pretty big set of questions, but I’ll take a shot at some of them. First, I think there is general agreement that weight training is important for tri fitness.  That is also my experience. Second, weight training must be worked into your training regime carefully.  You do not want to do a heavy leg session in the morning and be doing intervals on the road that same day. As for routines, weights, reps/sets, that is an area of much debate.  I assume the low rep/high weight vs high rep/low weight distinction is understood.  Obviously, lots of muscle mass detracts from performance – Arnold is NOT the goal!  However, a certain amount of increased mass (and hence aesthetic improvement) is inevitable I think.  My own training was medium weight/medium reps – whatever weight would allow me to do at least three sets of at least 10 reps per set, I usually managed four sets per exercise.  I did not do any supersetting, weight increasing for each set, etc.- too much mass and too much time.  I wanted to do about 15 different exercises each visit. Regarding which exercises, overall conditioning is the goal, so you need to work your legs, arms, chest, abs and back. Might do some neck work if holding the old helmet up is a problem after a few hours. Focus on known areas of weakness to prevent injury.  For instance, I did alot of squats and hack squats to develop my tiny butt – which was weak enough that I was getting injured.  I recommend some lower back exercises – gently if you’ve a history of injury there – to help with cycling.  I would do sets of lower back extensions – matched by crunches and situps for the opposing muscle groups.  This helped my bike comfort tremendously. Triathlon works your whole body – so you need to do the same in the gym. Ideally, I would recommend splitting your workouts into upper body one day, lower the next, – with runnng or cycling the same day as lifting for upper body, swim when you do the leg weights.  However, I never had that luxury and if you schedule a slow or tempo day with the weights you might not overstress yourself. As for free weights vs machines, both have adherents and benefits. Machines are surely a faster workout and possibly safer.  However, I’ve always been into free weights.  More variety of exercises and each rep is a little different – stressing a slightly different part of the muscle in a different way.  Seems more natural to me and more likely to stress muscles the way I will in tri. My exercises included the following: Curls – for biceps Tricep extensions – seated or standing overhead and kneeling over on bench Flys for pects Reverse flys – for upper back and shoulders Pullovers – lying on bench – for lats and pects Upright rows – shoulders Kneeling rows (I think that’s the right name) – upper back Standing lateral raises – delts Front raises – delts back extensions – lower back leg lifts on Roman chair – watch your back here! situps – abs crunches – upper abs leg lifts – lots of variations here – abs squats – on the rack – overall legs but hams/glutes hack squats – sled – quads/legs lat pulldowns lunges – if feeling really good! I never did much for calves – figure running stresses them enough as it is and mine are pretty big anyway!  My leg sets were weak – someone else can probably provide better exercises and variations. Wow.  That’s alot of exercises and alot of writing.  Hope that helps – if I can add something let me know! Bob J Largo, FL

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Well I am on my second year as a Tri-athlete and I am starting to look at adding some weight lifting exercises to my regimen.  Can someone recomend specific exercises, number of reps, etc to do?  The gym I use has free weights and Cybex equipment…also wondering which one of these I should focus on. Thanks in advance!

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Well I am on my second year as a Tri-athlete and I am starting to look at adding some weight lifting exercises to my regimen.  Can someone recomend specific exercises, number of reps, etc to do?  The gym I use has free weights and Cybex equipment…also wondering which one of these I should focus on. Thanks in advance!

One great exercise very few people do is a lat pull down using a rope. It works the lats in a way more like swimming than more exercises. Here’s how you do it: Instead of sitting in front of the lat-pulldown bar, kneel a few feet away from the machine.  Instead of the wide bar that most people use for the lat-pull down, use a rope attachment.  If your gym doesn’t have a rope attachment, bring a towel and wrap it once across the attachment site.  Take a piece of rope in each hand, and start your pulldown from a very elongated stretch (you should be standing on your knees to begin). Now, think of the pulldown like you would your swim stroke.  First, there is a "catch" when the rope gets pulled tight.  Then you sweep down, concentrating on your lats.  At the bottom of the stroke, it becomes like a tricep pushdown.  Also, think about cruching your stomach at the bottom (although this is not part of the normal swim stroke). This is a really nice exercise, becuase it uses the lats along with the forearms, tris, and abs in one motion. Good luck The Bertha Gary P. Chimes MD/PhD Student

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Well I am on my second year as a Tri-athlete and I am starting to look at adding some weight lifting exercises to my regimen.  Can someone recomend specific exercises, number of reps, etc to do?  The gym I use has free weights and Cybex equipment…also wondering which one of these I should focus on. Thanks in advance!

PB: I picked up a great handout from the "Multi-Sport School of Champions". Diane Butcha (Mark Allen’s and Paula Newby-Fraser’s Strength Coach) provided a demonstration and left us with a periodization weight training schedule. Give me a call with your address. I will be happy to mail you one. Good Luck with your training. –Keith Simmons Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits (800) 897-6464 (804) 288-6000

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PB: I picked up a great handout from the "Multi-Sport School of Champions". Diane Butcha (Mark Allen’s and Paula Newby-Fraser’s Strength Coach) provided a demonstration and left us with a periodization weight training schedule. Give me a call with your address. I will be happy to mail you one. Good Luck with your training. –Keith Simmons Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits (800) 897-6464 (804) 288-6000 P.S.- I have used this schedule for the past two years. However, I still don’t look like Mark Allen. OH WELL!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I am on my second year as a Tri-athlete and I am starting to look at adding some weight lifting exercises to my regimen.  Can someone recomend specific exercises, number of reps, etc to do?  The gym I use has free weights and Cybex equipment…also wondering which one of these I should focus on. Thanks in advance!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hopefully, someone out there can give me some good advice.  I did the Walt Disney marathon Jan 5th.  I had trained for 16 weeks, ave. about 35-45 miles per week, with the traditional once a week long run from 12-20 miles.  I ran the race in 4:17, and felt relatively good.  Difficulty from mile 19 on, only walking about a quarter mile at 23, plus through the water stops to make sure I drank.    I drank 2 cups of water, and 1 cup of powerade (yuck) each stop (there were 20).  Plus a gel packet every 4 miles.  I was well hydrated to  start the race.  My problems started about 1 hour post race.  I vomited several times, and was feeling very confused.  Unfortunately, the medical tent let me escape, without fluids.  I went back to my hotel with family.  My family let me sleep for about an hour, and returned to check on me. Apparently I didn’t recognize them at this time.  (I don’t recall anything for the 24 hours following my return to hotel)     They took me to the hospital, where I was diagnosed with hyponatremic encephalopathy.  Na: 124 on entry.   Other abnormal blood parameters were ck-mb, and of course cpk.  they did a variety of tests, but that was the final diagnosis.  After a few bags of fluids and 24 hours of rest, I returned to the world of the living.        Can anyone help me figure out what I need to do to prevent this from occurring again?  I did Ironman Hawaii in 95 and didn’t have this kind of problem.  I am planning on Ironman Canada this year.  I can’t drink large amts of powerade or other carbonated junk.  Gatorade works great, but I don’t know what IMC drink will be.       Feel free to use medical terms, I am a veterinarian, but we don’t see this in animals!  They don’t usually over do it I guess!  Thanks in advance for any help. Gina  

 Gina: There is a lot in the sportsmed literature about this problem: Question: 1.  did you train in the same temperatures as the race, this will change your sweating and salt and water metabolism and can contribute to this problem? 2.  did you do one or two 20 mile runs with the SAME types of fluids and gels as the race? 3.  did you run during the same aspect of your menstrual cycle as during training? These factors, controlled, probably would have given you a better chance of finishing without this type of result.

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Thanks for the post Dr. Jenkins.    I have been arguing this point with people for years. Many athletes I know are sucked in by health food hype. For some reason the health food set seems to think sodium is an enemy.  I have been trying to tell them that it is not a worry if you don’t have high blood pressure and can be dangerous if you’re athletic, particulaly in the here in the south where we sweat a whole lot.  Should I hold my ground, is this basically the case?    Thanks, John Hural  almost Ph.D. (immunology)

John,  What you state is true. Sodium is not the enemy. Without it, you die. If one does not have a medical condition necessitating a reduced sodium diet then there is really no reason to restrict intake. For healthy people, a low sodium diet will not prevent disease. While it is true that many sedentary individuals consume more sodium than is needed and probably should cut back, the situation is *very* different for healthy athletes who exercise in the heat. This latter group is at great risk for hyponatremia if they reduce their sodium intake below their needs. This is well documented in the medical literature. Hyponatremia can be a life-threatening condition, and is often the culprit for those requiring hospitalization following an endurance event. For example, there were only a few people requiring overnight hospitalization following last years (1996) Houston marathon. Two of those patients, however, were critically ill and in the intensive care unit because of seizures and coma which were directly caused by hyponatremia. So the next time you hear, "Gosh you’re a triathlete and seem so healthy. Why aren’t you reducing your salt intake"? You can smile and explain why.             See you,                Mark — Mark A. Jenkins, M.D proprietor SportsMed Web http://riceinfo.rice.edu/~jenkins

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Thanks for the post Dr. Jenkins.    I have been arguing this point with people for years. Many athletes I know are sucked in by health food hype. For some reason the health food set seems to think sodium is an enemy.  I have been trying to tell them that it is not a worry if you don’t have high blood pressure and can be dangerous if you’re athletic, particulaly in the here in the south where we sweat a whole lot.  Should I hold my ground, is this basically the case?    Thanks, John Hural  almost Ph.D. (immunology)

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Hopefully, someone out there can give me some good advice.  I did the Walt Disney marathon Jan 5th.  I had trained for 16 weeks, ave. about 35-45 miles per week, with the traditional once a week long run from 12-20 miles.  I ran the race in 4:17, and felt relatively good.  Difficulty from mile 19 on, only walking about a quarter mile at 23, plus through the water stops to make sure I drank.     I drank 2 cups of water, and 1 cup of powerade (yuck) each stop (there were 20).  Plus a gel packet every 4 miles.  I was well hydrated to  start the race.  My problems started about 1 hour post race.  I vomited several times, and was feeling very confused.  Unfortunately, the medical tent let me escape, without fluids.  I went back to my hotel with family.  My family let me sleep for about an hour, and returned to check on me. Apparently I didn’t recognize them at this time.  (I don’t recall anything for the 24 hours following my return to hotel)      They took me to the hospital, where I was diagnosed with hyponatremic encephalopathy.  Na: 124 on entry.   Other abnormal blood parameters were ck-mb, and of course cpk.  they did a variety of tests, but that was the final diagnosis.  After a few bags of fluids and 24 hours of rest, I returned to the world of the living.         Can anyone help me figure out what I need to do to prevent this from occurring again?  I did Ironman Hawaii in 95 and didn’t have this kind of problem.  I am planning on Ironman Canada this year.  I can’t drink large amts of powerade or other carbonated junk.  Gatorade works great, but I don’t know what IMC drink will be.        Feel free to use medical terms, I am a veterinarian, but we don’t see this in animals!  They don’t usually over do it I guess!  Thanks in advance for any help. Gina  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hopefully, someone out there can give me some good advice.  I did the Walt Disney marathon Jan 5th.  I had trained for 16 weeks, ave. about 35-45 miles per week, with the traditional once a week long run from 12-20 miles.  I ran the race in 4:17, and felt relatively good.  Difficulty from mile 19 on, only walking about a quarter mile at 23, plus through the water stops to make sure I drank.     I drank 2 cups of water, and 1 cup of powerade (yuck) each stop (there were 20).  Plus a gel packet every 4 miles.  I was well hydrated to start the race.  My problems started about 1 hour post race.  I vomited several times, and was feeling very confused.  Unfortunately, the medical tent let me escape, without fluids.  I went back to my hotel with family.  My family let me sleep for about an hour, and returned to check on me. Apparently I didn’t recognize them at this time.  (I don’t recall anything for the 24 hours following my return to hotel)      They took me to the hospital, where I was diagnosed with hyponatremic encephalopathy.  Na: 124 on entry.   Other abnormal blood parameters were ck-mb, and of course cpk.  they did a variety of tests, but that was the final diagnosis.  After a few bags of fluids and 24 hours of rest, I returned to the world of the living.     Can anyone help me figure out what I need to do to prevent this from occurring again?

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Gina, but at least you apparently recovered quite rapidly. As for preventing this from happening in the future, the general answer is quite simple: you need to take in less water/more sodium during and/or after long races. You state that you drank 3 cups of fluid at each of 20 water stops – if these were full 8 oz cups and you didn’t spill a drop, that is over 14 L of fluid in 4.25 hours, or 3.3 L/hour – given your running pace, this is quite likely in excess of your rate of fluid loss (even in hot, humid Florida). Thus, even if you had been only drinking a sodium-containing sports drink (e.g., Gatorade), your plasma sodium levels would have probably declined. Although that’s the general solution, implementing it is somewhat more difficult. Sweating rate during exercise varies considerably from one person to another, as does sweat sodium content. Ideally, you would replace both water and sodium at exactly the rate at which they are lost. As many people will probably tell you, water loss can be monitored fairly well by weighing yourself before and after exercise. Determining exactly how much sodium you need, however, is much more difficult – as implied above, however, your first "line of defense" would be to choose a sodium-containing sports drink over plain water. Whether you need/would benefit from additional sodium intake can only be determined on an individual basis… At this point, let me emphasize another important role for sodium intake, and that is during post-exercise rehydration. Simply put, if you have incurred water and sodium deficits during exercise, it is important to replace both. Water intake in the absence of sodium intake results in a further dilution of sodium levels, resulting in diuresis (and possibly hyponatremia)…

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Hopefully, someone out there can give me some good advice.  I did the Walt Disney marathon Jan 5th. <snip.    I drank 2 cups of water, and 1 cup of powerade (yuck) each stop (there were 20).  Plus a gel packet every 4 miles.  I was well hydrated to  start the race.  <snip     They took me to the hospital, where I was diagnosed with hyponatremic encephalopathy.  Na: 124 on entry. <snip    Can anyone help me figure out what I need to do to prevent this from occurring again?  I did Ironman Hawaii in 95 and didn’t have this kind of problem.  I am planning on Ironman Canada this year.  I can’t drink large amts of powerade or other carbonated junk.  Gatorade works great, but I don’t know what IMC drink will be.  

While not a Dr, I have experienced hypnotremia (no fun). The only thing I would ask is, ‘Did you have the same nutritional strategy in your long runs?’ Personally, when I got it – one of the attributing factors was taking excessive amounts of gel (which contained caffiene) Anyway, for an excellent medical discussion on hypnotremia & how to avoid, see: "Salt and the Endurance Athlete" http://riceinfo.rice.edu/~jenkins/sports/salt.html FWIW – I followed the advice in the article in IM #2 & had no problems! For general medical tent advice, see: http://riceinfo.rice.edu/~jenkins/medtent.1.html Also, All Sport ( a low Sodium beverage) will the beverage for IMC.

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Hopefully, someone out there can give me some good advice. sodium = 124

Hyponatremia — what is it? Hyponatremia means a low concentration of sodium in the blood. When it occurs in triathletes, it usually happens during long or ultra-distance races in the heat but may occur anytime. It is estimated that approximately 30% of the finishers of the Hawaii Ironman are both hyponatremic and dehydrated. The longer the race, the greater the risk of hyponatremia. What causes it? The exact mechanisms are not fully understood and I won’t go into the complex physiologic pathways of sodium and water balance (more on this in PART II). The simplest answer is that lost sweat (salt and water) is replaced by ingested water (no salt). This dilutes the sodium in the bloodstream, and hyponatremia results. Longer races carry a greater risk of hyponatremia partly because of the total amount of sweat lost. During exercise in the heat, more salt is lost in sweat per hour than is usually replaced by food and fluids, including sports drinks.  Your body can tolerate a degree of imbalance for a short period of time, but it may decompensate if this continues for too long. Sweat contains between 2.25 – 3.4 grams of salt per liter, and the rate of perspiration in a long, hot race can easily average 1  liter per hour. So, for a 12 hour race, one could lose approximately 27 to 41 grams of salt. If the athlete replaces only the lost water and has minimal salt intake, hyponatremia can result. Medications and hyponatremia Aspirin, ibuprofen, and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents interfere with kidney function and may contribute to the development of hyponatremia in triathletes. The same applies to acetaminophen (Tylenol). I have seen many athletes taking these drugs during Ironman races, and I strongly recommend against this practice. They won’t make you faster and may hurt you. Under tough conditions, your kidneys need to function at 100%. Other drugs that may contribute to hyponatremia are diuretics, narcotics, and certain psychiatric medications.   What are the symptoms of hyponatremia? The spectrum of symptoms can range from mild to severe and can include nausea, muscle cramps, disorientation, slurred speech, confusion, and inappropriate behavior. As it progresses, victims may experience seizures or coma, and death can occur. Severe hyponatremia is a true medical emergency. Treatment Minor symptoms, such as nausea and mild muscle cramps, can be treated by eating salty foods and hydrating with a sodium containing sports drink. More severe symptoms require treatment by qualified medical personnel. If you think you are suffering from hyponatremia or are unsure, seek medical attention immediately. Recommendations There are no clear cut guidelines, and recommendations need to be individualized for each triathlete. Some authorities recommend drinking less water to rebalance sodium and water intake. However, given the risk of dehydration and heat injury, this is not a practical recommendation. To reiterate, all of the hyponatremic athletes in the Hawaii Ironman were also dehydrated. Others recommend increasing salt intake, and this seems more prudent. By ingesting more sodium, hydration with water is balanced and dilution of blood sodium does not occur. Relative importance for different length races            less than 1 hr        1 – 3 hrs          3  hrs water             -/+                +                 + carbohydrate       –                 +                 + salt               –                -/+                +    It cannot be stressed enough that you have got to know what your needs are prior to race day. Rehearse your hydration, feeding, and salt strategy during your training sessions. There are so many variations between individuals that there is no single right answer. Know what your body’s’ needs are.

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<snipped Then-they ruin it by looking around to see if any women are checking them out. The most attractive men are the ones who dont seem to be aware of their good looks-or who dont care who is noticing. I guess checking out from behind works both ways!! Allison

There’s a lot of "profiling" before a triathlon start, too. What’s most interesting is that the "hunks" showing off the big pecs, etc are almost always the also-rans and back-of-the-packers – if they finish. But they look great in their speedos, I guess. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

THAT’S PRETTY FUNNY! YOURS is a rare post I read and I was glad I did I had to chuckle.  We men all do it.  At the recent San Diego Marathon I got through 10 miles of it in a hipnotic state by following and daydreaming sexually about a woman running just ahead of me:  age 28 or so, gorgeous, tan, buxom, blonde, tall, muscular goddess of an athlete, dressed in a tiny halter top and tight, form fittin shorts.  We were going about 8 minute miles, and there was a whole pack of men following her.  She took off at mile 17 and I never saw her again. From, Another silently sexist male

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   This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose?

Calf muscles. The only trouble is there are now so many ahead of me to choose from. Ken I’m so glad you are here, it helps me to realize how beautiful my world is."  R. Ike

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

During a long run, say more then 10 miles, my libedo goes into overdrive. The more miles I go, the hornier I get. Has anybody else noticed this effect? Jack H.

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: I have a fascination with women with ponytails! : This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. : It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I agree, this certainly is a great look that appeals to me as well. : During a long run, say more then 10 miles, my libedo goes into overdrive. : The more miles I go, the hornier I get. Has anybody else noticed this : effect? : Jack H. I have, but only after easy training runs. After a hard session all I feel is pain. Al.

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Hi- This is no shock to me-being a woman runner I can say that I have seen many attractive men walk into my health club, and when I see them all sweaty working out-they somehow are more attractive. It is sort of sexy to see all that sweat. Then-they ruin it by looking around to see if any women are checking them out. The most attractive men are the ones who dont seem to be aware of their good looks-or who dont care who is noticing. I guess checking out from behind works both ways!! Allison

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Abhay Thatte while drooling writes: |   This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a Sound the bells, Abhay and I enjoy a similar past time.  There have been many times during races where the female in front was a pleasure to follow. One can  observe without the observee feeling like they are being lusted over. The mere fact that everyone in the race, regardless of their motivation of health, competition, etc, is basically fit, is a positive theme. If the person’s external is shapely(regardless of gender), it is a complement to take a look. Crawling on your knees, drooling and licking at someones  ankles is going overboard. As for parts of the anatonmy to stare at, well, that’s an age old topic. Again, regarless of gender, we all have some part that gets first glimse. The "what do you notice first in a woman/man"  can generate lots of responses. | year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women | runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first | thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose? I would have guessed the color of their veil. |   Okay, straight guys, when evaluating a spouse, would u rather go | with a princess with good looks but a plodder, or a track star who is | plain looking?  Nine times out of ten, the guy will go for the first | choice, and rightly so… Frankly I never consider leg speed a very important quality. It’s the mind thats has the highest value(insert a sheepish butt honest wink) | (heh…I’m sure many women admire *me* while I run…and that’s okay, Let’s not get carried away. Once they find out you’re a Baywatch fan, you go to the back of the line. — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

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Racing should be seriuos business. Butt…In training, at least sometimes,  its not how fast you run but who(m) you run behind…..These posts shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. Ever read the Hockomock Swamp Rat?

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

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        This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose?         At races, I like the the whole package.  Good organization, proper traffic control, etc. are something the organizers are responsible for. Good weather, is in God’s hands.  But sharp looking women???  Who knows what goes on in their minds, they may descend in droves to a race in Podunk, and trot about daintily, so better to go there with esthetic senses on alert. Look, don’t leer.         Okay, straight guys, when evaluating a spouse, would u rather go with a princess with good looks but a plodder, or a track star who is plain looking?  Nine times out of ten, the guy will go for the first choice, and rightly so…         If u don’t appreciate female beauty at races, u need to get a life… NO PSEUDO WHIPPED MALE FEMINISTS!!! (heh…I’m sure many women admire *me* while I run…and that’s okay, too).

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I am interested in attending a 3-4 day training camp (metabolic tests, personalized training program…), in early spring ‘96.  Does anyone have

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Dear Triathlete, Here’s some info on our camp. The camp will be held at Vacation Village in Clermont, Florida (15 miles west of Orlando), site of the Great Floridian Triathlon, The Florida Challenge Tri and others.  Jeff Cuddeback (MA in Exercise Physiology and Industrial Psychology) is coordinating the training (407-788-7030) so give him a call for any specifics.  Jeff is a 35-39 age grouper who is the 1994 U.S. Champ, the 1993 U.S., World, Ironman Champion, and the 1992 Overall U.S. Champ.  The camp is aimed at age-groupers who want to improve their times and enjoyment of the sport.  The camp is designed to have people share ideas, so everyone benefits.   We’ll start the day with a short run, have breakfast, and then start the training.  Besides the 25 meter pool, there is a beautiful lake and beach to practice open water training.  Alec Rukosuev is a fantastic swimmer ( 1989 Swim Champ of Russia; 1993,94,95 Panama City Half Ironman Winner; 1993 Disney Marathon 2:21 Winner; 1st out of the water Hawaii 1994, 2nd in 1995) and supervising the swimming.  We’re negotiating with a USCF bike coach right now; however Jeff’s average speed for Hawaii in 1993 was 23mph so he knows biking also.  Jim Ward, the 75+ age group phenom will be coaching also.  Jim has 6 World and 12 U.S. Championships under his belt, including 1995 Worlds and 2 Hawaii Ironman wins. The cost is $349 which includes 3 nights lodging and breakfast and lunch each day; we request a $100 deposit to hold a spot, which is refundable up to 1 month before the camp.   Hope to see you there.  Call 407-884-5008 for any other info. JOLF

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just for the record, the colorful label always goes on the drivetrain side then the direction of the tread will always be right. Useful only if you didn’t know it.

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| just for the record, the colorful label always goes on the drivetrain side | then the direction of the tread will always be right. Useful only if you | didn’t know it. I have noticed that this is true for all of the MTB tires, but it is NOT true for road tires. If I mounted my IRC Triathlon/Kevlar tires on this way, I would find myself getting a lot of road raspberries, especially in Criteriums. Is there a policy in the bicycle tire industry on this? If not, somebody may find out the hard way they just put there tire on with the tread going the wrong direction. — :::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::: ::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ : :::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*): David A Harvey            Hard Core Cyclist, both Road and Mountain Bike

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 Most tires come with arrows marked on the side-walls to point towards the direction of rotation.  Even with the arrows, a shop put my front tires on backwards … made a really loud "wraaaah wraaah" sound, I felt like somebody had put an anchor on the back, and the steering was poor .. . I kept thinking .. "boy these tires really suck!" .. ’till I noticed the problem. Does make a difference! Jeff

: | I just got my bike back from the shop because I had to bent rims, and it : | seems that they put the tires on backwards on the rims…. : | : | I’m not sure though… : | : | Right now with the bike on the ground and looking down on the tops of the : | tires the tread looks like       <<<<<<<< : | : | Shouldn’t it be the other way????  I know they are supposed to be opposite : | is all… : | : | Shouldn’t it be like <<<<<<<<    though? : You got it right, they have it wrong. You need the treads angled : forward on the front tire (like a tractor tire) to help guide you : into turns rather than sliding out on them. On the back it is a little : more complicated, since they also could benefit from being installed : like tractor tires, especially for downhill runs. The problem is that : the most likely place for you to lose traction is climbing hills with : loose small rocks, sand, etc. and putting the shape so that it is like : a cup grabbing on to everything works best. I have a feeling the final : word has not been written on the best design for the rear tire. I will : email this to him everyone… : Happy Trails : Dave Harvey : | : | Please e-mail me… i don’t get to do much newsreading lately.. : | : | Thanx, : | : | Seann Dorand : — : :::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::: : ::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ : : :::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*): : David A Harvey            Hard Core Cyclist, both Road and Mountain Bike

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| I just got my bike back from the shop because I had to bent rims, and it | seems that they put the tires on backwards on the rims…. | | I’m not sure though… | | Right now with the bike on the ground and looking down on the tops of the | tires the tread looks like       <<<<<<<< | | Shouldn’t it be the other way????  I know they are supposed to be opposite | is all… | | Shouldn’t it be like <<<<<<<<    though? You got it right, they have it wrong. You need the treads angled forward on the front tire (like a tractor tire) to help guide you into turns rather than sliding out on them. On the back it is a little more complicated, since they also could benefit from being installed like tractor tires, especially for downhill runs. The problem is that the most likely place for you to lose traction is climbing hills with loose small rocks, sand, etc. and putting the shape so that it is like a cup grabbing on to everything works best. I have a feeling the final word has not been written on the best design for the rear tire. I will email this to him everyone… Happy Trails Dave Harvey | | Please e-mail me… i don’t get to do much newsreading lately.. | | Thanx, | | Seann Dorand — :::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::::::: @__ ::: ::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ :::: _,/’_ : :::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*)::::(*) (*): David A Harvey            Hard Core Cyclist, both Road and Mountain Bike

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I just got my bike back from the shop because I had to bent rims, and it seems that they put the tires on backwards on the rims…. I’m not sure though… Right now with the bike on the ground and looking down on the tops of the tires the tread looks like       <<<<<<<< Shouldn’t it be the other way????  I know they are supposed to be opposite is all… Shouldn’t it be like <<<<<<<<    though? Please e-mail me… i don’t get to do much newsreading lately.. Thanx, Seann Dorand

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