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Hi I am a 15yo triathlete with a resting heart rate of 42-44bpm, does it mean as I age it may become lower?  If yes say in 10 years time what may it be?  Does a low resting heart rate have any advantages in sport over people with a much higher RHR?   What is better a higher or lower maximum HR?  Or is it just the length of time you can keep to your max HR in exercise?     It appears to me that most of the good athletes, runners especially that are my age, have a very low resting heart rate, should this be the case? thanks 4 the help Al a goal comes first then you must have the discipline to reach it

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Hello- Your HR may well be normal for your age. However, for a more accurate assessment, you need to have your HR monitored under stress. Ever heard of a treadmill or stress test? It is NOT normal for a 50 y.o. to have a HR of 40 that does not increased with exercise. Given your youth, I would say that your vital signs are most likely normal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am a 15yo triathlete with a resting heart rate of 42-44bpm, does it mean as I age it may become lower?  If yes say in 10 years time what may it be?  Does a low resting heart rate have any advantages in sport over people with a much higher RHR?   What is better a higher or lower maximum HR?  Or is it just the length of time you can keep to your max HR in exercise?     It appears to me that most of the good athletes, runners especially that are my age, have a very low resting heart rate, should this be the case? thanks 4 the help Al a goal comes first then you must have the discipline to reach it

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sorry resting heart rate is 38bpm, typed it wrong, that is when iam fit etc. i train about 10 times a week within different diciplines… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello- Your HR may well be normal for your age. However, for a more accurate assessment, you need to have your HR monitored under stress. Ever heard of a treadmill or stress test? It is NOT normal for a 50 y.o. to have a HR of 40 that does not increased with exercise. Given your youth, I would say that your vital signs are most likely normal. Hi I am a 15yo triathlete with a resting heart rate of 42-44bpm, does it mean as I age it may become lower?  If yes say in 10 years time what may it be?  Does a low resting heart rate have any advantages in sport over people with a much higher RHR?   What is better a higher or lower maximum HR?  Or is it just the length of time you can keep to your max HR in exercise?     It appears to me that most of the good athletes, runners especially that are my age, have a very low resting heart rate, should this be the case? thanks 4 the help Al a goal comes first then you must have the discipline to reach it

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You guys and gals are fast.  I’m humbled.    5k – 0:19:54    10k – 0:44:25    13.1 m – 1:49:48    15k – 1:09:44    30k – 2:40:55    26.2 m – 3:44:42 Looking at 15 minutes off of my spring marathon time in a couple weeks.    Mark "Just your average middle of the pack runner"

You and me both.  Your times are VERY similar to mine when I was in my late 30’s/early 40’s.  The drop off pretty well convinced me at the time that I’d be happier at the shorter distances, tho I still did a few marathons. I’m tempted to go back and train just for a marathon again, but I probably won’t. The Ironman bug is potent. <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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Can anyone point me in the direction of time prediction tables that a few have aluded to in this ng. I would be interested to see which of my distances is ‘best’. On a related subject, does anyone know where I can get multi-event points tables as used for decathlon/heptathlon and I assume other events as they were used in the GP series to prove that Zabo’s 8:45 3000m was better than Mutola’s 1:59 800m.

  I have some links to prediction schemes on my web page.  Tom Ehrensperger’s Runpaces also has a research document (to which I also link) on method intercomparison.  P. Hoffman’s page includes the Purdy points methods, which are supposed to let one intercompare distance performances. http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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If you are overly analytical person, you will enjoy Patrick Hoffman’s performance factor script: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/ex1.html : Can anyone point me in the direction of time prediction tables that a : few have aluded to in this ng. I would be interested to see which of my : distances is ‘best’. : On a related subject, does anyone know where I can get multi-event : points tables as used for decathlon/heptathlon and I assume other events : as they were used in the GP series to prove that Zabo’s 8:45 3000m was : better than Mutola’s 1:59 800m. : IanB – Decathlon pb of 4099.

: : Tell me about it.  My spread sheet predicts that a 3:20 is do-able, and it’s : been pretty accurate for most distances.  I should have nailed a 3:30 on the : last marathon, but it didn’t happen. : :     Mark —  Oleg

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I  have the opposite problem to previous posters: 5 mile: 31:05 10K: 37:03 10 mile: 60:55 (during the half -does that count?) 1/2 mara: 79:48 (last Sunday!) Haven’t done a marathon yet – hope to break 3 hours in a year’s time. 50mpw, age 34 The books say my 10K time should be at least a minute faster than it is – it’s only 7s/mile faster than my half-marathon pace, which surely can’t be right (both courses were flat).  I suspect it’s to do with only going on the track once a month – but when I do, I can knock out 7×1 mile at 5:48 pace, 1 minute rest, no problem. Which is great – but it doesn’t happen on the road. I’m still learning, so I’d welcome any suggestions, please? (BTW, relative to another thread, I’m a big fan of Glover/Schuder’s The New Competitive Runner’s Handbook, which has got me this far  - surprised it doesn’t get more mentions here)

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Phil, Yes. Your 10k times should be faster. If you can do that work out you quoted, I am sure that you have the fitness and ability to run a faster 10k. You need to do shorter 800 – 1000m repeats at a faster pace(5:00 t0 5:30 miles pace) with longer recovery. That work out you quoted is a great work out but in reality that is a 7 mile tempo run at 5:48 pace. You need to get comfortable running closer to 5:00 min/mile pace so that when you run a 10K at  you will be able to start stringing 5:40 miles together. Good luck Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I  have the opposite problem to previous posters: 5 mile: 31:05 10K: 37:03 10 mile: 60:55 (during the half -does that count?) 1/2 mara: 79:48 (last Sunday!) Haven’t done a marathon yet – hope to break 3 hours in a year’s time. 50mpw, age 34 The books say my 10K time should be at least a minute faster than it is – it’s only 7s/mile faster than my half-marathon pace, which surely can’t be right (both courses were flat).  I suspect it’s to do with only going on the track once a month – but when I do, I can knock out 7×1 mile at 5:48 pace, 1 minute rest, no problem. Which is great – but it doesn’t happen on the road. I’m still learning, so I’d welcome any suggestions, please? (BTW, relative to another thread, I’m a big fan of Glover/Schuder’s The New Competitive Runner’s Handbook, which has got me this far  - surprised it doesn’t get more mentions here)

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i was just wondering what some of ypur pr’s are I don’t know. Try looking it up. Ypur may be in the Swedish dictionary.    -Phil

3k         9.52 age 47 5k         16.20 8k         26.50 10k      33.20 10 mile 54.42 15 mile 90.00 Half Mara 73.48 20 mile 2hrs 2 mins mara 2.48.00 9 years running background for the above times. All above at age 39 after  after running Jan to August without a rest day, Av 55 mpw Most disappointed with my mara time, Felt I was fit enough for 2.37.00 Maybe not my distance. Steve — http://www.wolds-veteran-rc.freeserve.co.uk Club based in Grimsby, N.E.Lincs, England.

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Phil, Yes. Your 10k times should be faster. If you can do that work out you quoted, I am sure that you have the fitness and ability to run a faster 10k. You need to do shorter 800 – 1000m repeats at a faster pace(5:00 t0 5:30 miles pace) with longer recovery. That work out you quoted is a great work out but in reality that is a 7 mile tempo run at 5:48 pace. You need to get comfortable running closer to 5:00 min/mile pace so that when you run a 10K at  you will be able to start stringing 5:40 miles together. Good luck Steve Fleck

Steve, Ouch… that’s gotta hurt, right? Makes perfect sense, though.  I’ll give it a go: I’ve got time to work on it before my next 10K – about 3 months. Many thanks for your input. Phil

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Try http://www.runwestflorida.com/predict.htm Paul Gelinas — Mission Accomplished:  3:16:57, at Scotty Hanton Marathon, on 9/5/99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone point me in the direction of time prediction tables that a few have aluded to in this ng. I would be interested to see which of my distances is ‘best’. On a related subject, does anyone know where I can get multi-event points tables as used for decathlon/heptathlon and I assume other events as they were used in the GP series to prove that Zabo’s 8:45 3000m was better than Mutola’s 1:59 800m. IanB – Decathlon pb of 4099. Tell me about it.  My spread sheet predicts that a 3:20 is do-able, and it’s been pretty accurate for most distances.  I should have nailed a 3:30 on the last marathon, but it didn’t happen.     Mark

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Try http://www.runwestflorida.com/predict.htm Paul Gelinas

Paul, thanks for the site. For a calculator you can go to: http://www.cararuns.org/    David "IndyRunr"

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slow & slower guide me in

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i was just wondering what some of ypur pr’s are

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i was just wondering what some of ypur pr’s are

I don’t know. Try looking it up. Ypur may be in the Swedish dictionary.    -Phil

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5k: 20:57 for flat course, 22:27 for Holmel Park…btw these are my times last year as a freshman, my first year running. -Lillian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i was just wondering what some of ypur pr’s are

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My best times for running were done years ago before I took up triathlon. I have run 15:30 for 5000m on the track and 32:10 for 10K on the road. Since then while training for two other sports I have gone as fast as 16:20 for 5000m on the track and 33:00 for 10k on the roads. The run times that I am most proud of are the sub 3:10 marathon splits that I have recorded a couple of times at the end of an Ironman triathlon. In 1992 at Ironman Canada I went 3:04 for the marathon and just missed breaking 9:00 hrs for the whole race. Steve Fleck

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you my friend r a stud! i would the that marathon time! keep it up!

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You guys and gals are fast.  I’m humbled.     5k – 0:19:54     10k – 0:44:25     13.1 m – 1:49:48     15k – 1:09:44     30k – 2:40:55     26.2 m – 3:44:42 Looking at 15 minutes off of my spring marathon time in a couple weeks.     Mark "Just your average middle of the pack runner" — Life is the great experiment. Each of us is an experiment of one-observer and subject-making choices, living with them, recording the effects.  - Dr. George Sheehan

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Mark, how many miles per week are you doing? Your times really drop off to drastically.   You should easily be running 3:15 to 3:30 marathons with any distance training at all. 5k – 0:19:54    10k – 0:44:25    13.1 m – 1:49:48    15k – 1:09:44    30k – 2:40:55    26.2 m – 3:44:42

   David "IndyRunr"

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Mark, how many miles per week are you doing? Your times really drop off to drastically. You should easily be running 3:15 to 3:30 marathons with any distance training at all.

Tell me about dropping time   5k   19:55 (training) 10k  41:30 half  1:39:40 26.2 m – 3:55:00 Johan

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5K –     16:54 MSU Invitational             Sept. 17th my current P.R.

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8k   29.20 10k   37.51 12k 45.04 10 mile 1.02.02 25k  1.42 26.2m 3.07 47 mpw

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Mark, how many miles per week are you doing? Your times really drop off to drastically. You should easily be running 3:15 to 3:30 marathons with any distance training at all. 5k – 0:19:54    10k – 0:44:25    13.1 m – 1:49:48    15k – 1:09:44    30k – 2:40:55    26.2 m – 3:44:42

Tell me about it.  My spread sheet predicts that a 3:20 is do-able, and it’s been pretty accurate for most distances.  I should have nailed a 3:30 on the last marathon, but it didn’t happen. I’m in taper mode now, but I was probably not doing enough distance for the last marathon attempt.  This time I’m averaging about 25-35k through the week doing 5-10k runs, a mixture of easy, pacing, and one speed session (track equivalents 3×1k repeats) at lunch. The weekend, I’ve been doing long runs either Saturday or Sunday with either an easy 5-7 miles (social run with the club) or a day off.  The long runs have been in the range of 18-21 miles over the last month, some with hill, some flat.  The last 20 mile training run was completed in 2:54, feeling good and strong.  I could have done another 6 miles but I was feeling a bit of a knot in my right calf so I quit before I seriously hurt myself.  I did do a 16 miler Saturday (lots of hills) and another hilly 6 miler today, probably a day off tomorrow. BTW, I thought that I was going to die after the 5k, it took me a full 30 minutes to recover. No puking <GRIN but I was doubled over with diaphragm cramps. The 10k is current but once again due to the stomach cramping I had to stop and stretch them out at the 6k mark, and was able to pick it back up to the 5 m/k mark for the last three k. The 15k was just hot, humid and little shade and I was still nursing the knee, so not as full out an effort as I would have liked.  Good party after though. The 30k was a lark, I had a bummed up knee for the month previous so I ran in a knee brace, figured to would show up, run as a pacer for some of the women in the club and have to DNF at the 10k mark due to the knee.  It didn’t work that way, I felt great and lost my pacing partner at a water stop halfway through so I picked up the pace to a comfortable rate. I had to stop and put Band-Aids on my baby toes (blisters) at the 20 k mark and generally had a good time instead of racing.  An easy 10-20 minutes could have been knocked off I had known my knee would have held together.  This year I’m going to push for a 2:15. The last marathon (my second) was a crash and burn.  I went out at a 5 m/k pace and held the first half at one minute below target pace.  Then the heat got to me and the pace slowed.  I bonked bad at the 20 mile mark and literally limped into the stadium. That last 400 meter lap was the toughest distance I’ve ever run (more like a hobble than a run). I’m not sure but agonising pain in my hips and legs couldn’t have been helped by the fact that I had over 850 miles on the shoes I wore that day.  I check my mileage much closer now.     Mark — Life is the great experiment. Each of us is an experiment of one-observer and subject-making choices, living with them, recording the effects.  - Dr. George Sheehan

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Can anyone point me in the direction of time prediction tables that a few have aluded to in this ng. I would be interested to see which of my distances is ‘best’. On a related subject, does anyone know where I can get multi-event points tables as used for decathlon/heptathlon and I assume other events as they were used in the GP series to prove that Zabo’s 8:45 3000m was better than Mutola’s 1:59 800m. IanB – Decathlon pb of 4099. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tell me about it.  My spread sheet predicts that a 3:20 is do-able, and it’s been pretty accurate for most distances.  I should have nailed a 3:30 on the last marathon, but it didn’t happen.     Mark

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What is Triathlete Zombies?  Do they have a website?  TIA Sean Kern 2d Lt, USAF Colorado Springs, CO "If your mind believes, your body achieves!"

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Triathlete Zombies is a triathlete store in California.  There website Kendall

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Triathlete Zombies has them on sale brand new for under $70. I got a mailer today with them advertised as such. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A PAIR OF SPLIT SEC AERO BARS WITH **BRAND NEW PADS**  OUTSIDE ELBOW PAD POSITION REMOVED FOR MORE HAND SPACE ON TOP.  OTHERWISE GOOD CONDITION. ASKING $90..SHIPPING INCLUDED —

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A PAIR OF SPLIT SEC AERO BARS WITH **BRAND NEW PADS**  OUTSIDE ELBOW PAD POSITION REMOVED FOR MORE HAND SPACE ON TOP.  OTHERWISE GOOD CONDITION.   ASKING $90..SHIPPING INCLUDED —

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Anyone know of a good bike shop in the Southeast Michigan area? Ruth

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Anyone know of a good bike shop in the Southeast Michigan area?

Try Pavlot’s in Royal Oak if you’re in the Detroit area.  There’s another good one in downtown Northville. (the downtown is only about 3 blocks long so you can’t miss it ) Scott

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The best one in the area is probably Bikesport in Dearborn.  In Ann Arbor, a good one for road bikes Cycle Cellar. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a good bike shop in the Southeast Michigan area? Ruth

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Anyone know of a good bike shop in the Southeast Michigan area?

I don’t know if this qualifies as southeast ENOUGH, but Bikesport in Dearborn is owned/run by Tom Demerly, who has consistently provided the best expertise in Triathlon in the area over a period of years (it seems to us), even when he wasn’t a QR dealer. QRman

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Please post all of your sponsors so that we will know who to boycott. thanks, david

David, I think you wanted to send this to Murray B. See the post before mine. Dr. T

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Please post all of your sponsors so that we will know who to boycott. thanks, david

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – St. Anthony’s Response to Draft-Legal Professional Race This year, and only this year, St. Anthony’s Triathlon management has acceeded to the USA Triathlon (USAT) request to permit legal drafting, FOR PROS ONLY, on the bike portion of the annual race. With only the Pro wave being draft legal, the top five American pros from the St. Anthony’s Triathlon will qualify for the 1997 Professional World Championships later this year in Australia.  This will be the only race to qualify and it will also offer athletes an opportunity to strengthen their performance for world-wide and future Olympic events which allow drafting. St. Anthony’s race was selected because it is a well-run, established, high-profile and early-season race with a significant prize purse. Voted "Race of the Year" in 1995 by the Race Directors Commission (RDC)  of USAT, St. Anthony’s race management is committed to offering a high-quality triathlon to as many athletes as possible. St. Anthony’s Triathlon does not and has never supported drafting in the amateur race!  Case in point, in the 1996 St. Anthony’s Triathlon, 107 penalties were assessed; many for drafting. This was a difficult decision for St. Anthony’s race-management to make.  By agreeing to accomodate USAT, we have an opportunity to give the U.S. athletes a better chance to perform well at the World Championships, and  the Olympics. For more information about this years race, or to receive an application, call 813-825-1271, or visit our web site at http://www.stanthonys.com/triathlon. The site will be on-line by the end of January. We hope to see you in April! Murray Beairsto St. Anthony’s Triathlon                    / We’ll pass!       /||                    / || Dr.T               ||

                     || David, I think you meant to post this to Murray Beairsto.  See the post before mine. Dr. T Gregg Trent

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the top five American pros from the St. Anthony’s Triathlon will qualify for the 1997 Professional World Championships later this year in Australia.  This will be the only race to qualify

As I said in an earlier post, I’ll defer to the good judgement of pros like Karen Smyers and Jim Riccitello, and if they believe this is a good idea I’ll support it.  But I don’t see how you can claim that your race is a world championship qualifier.   Maybe you can explain that. QRman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – St. Anthony’s Response to Draft-Legal Professional Race This year, and only this year, St. Anthony’s Triathlon management has acceeded to the USA Triathlon (USAT) request to permit legal drafting, FOR PROS ONLY, on the bike portion of the annual race. With only the Pro wave being draft legal, the top five American pros from the St. Anthony’s Triathlon will qualify for the 1997 Professional World Championships later this year in Australia.  This will be the only race to qualify and it will also offer athletes an opportunity to strengthen their performance for world-wide and future Olympic events which allow drafting. St. Anthony’s race was selected because it is a well-run, established, high-profile and early-season race with a significant prize purse. Voted "Race of the Year" in 1995 by the Race Directors Commission (RDC)  of USAT, St. Anthony’s race management is committed to offering a high-quality triathlon to as many athletes as possible. St. Anthony’s Triathlon does not and has never supported drafting in the amateur race!  Case in point, in the 1996 St. Anthony’s Triathlon, 107 penalties were assessed; many for drafting. This was a difficult decision for St. Anthony’s race-management to make.  By agreeing to accomodate USAT, we have an opportunity to give the U.S. athletes a better chance to perform well at the World Championships, and  the Olympics. For more information about this years race, or to receive an application, call 813-825-1271, or visit our web site at http://www.stanthonys.com/triathlon. The site will be on-line by the end of January. We hope to see you in April! Murray Beairsto St. Anthony’s Triathlon

We’ll pass! Dr.T

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Wow! What a race! What a concept! For those who haven’t heard of it, the race was three triathlons, back to back, with open water swims in three of Canberra’s lakes,  mountain biking over Canberra’s mountains and the run legs including plenty of mountain trails too. Total distances 1.6/37/20/3.5/35/11/1.2/29/12, that is over 5km swimming, 100km MTB and a marathon worth of mountain running. The real heroes of the day were the individuals. The individual race was won by Ben Bright There were two women individual competitors, both of whom finished. Janine McDonald (?) was the first home in something over 12 hours, followed about 30 minutes later by Diedre Grace. Head, Teaching and Learning     URL:   http://tltsu.anu.edu.au/~dgb900 |

Sounds like great fun …. glad you did it not me !!! One heck of a way to cure drafting, huh ? Are you gong to do the Thredbo event ?? I would love to do one of these off-road tri’s, but the triple looked a bit long and thredbo is a fair way (and a week before frankston) Thanks for the report. Richard

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Wow! What a race! What a concept! Last weekend saw the beginning of a new event in the Australian calendar that has been a few years in the pipeline and was finally released on an unsuspecting field including about a dozen individual competitors. For those who haven’t heard of it, the race was three triathlons, back to back, with open water swims in three of Canberra’s lakes,  mountain biking over Canberra’s mountains and the run legs including plenty of mountain trails too. Total distances 1.6/37/20/3.5/35/11/1.2/29/12, that is over 5km swimming, 100km MTB and a marathon worth of mountain running. Each run or bike leg involved at least 200m elevation gain, some with plenty more. The logistics of getting a team or supporting an individual through the course were non-trivial, but great fun. For the individuals the effort involved was more than in an ironman. With the technical nature of each leg, just eating and drinking throughout the day required a fair bit of management. There were plenty of aid stations, including 2 drink stations on the 3.5km swim leg! The real heroes of the day were the individuals. This was a new race. No prize money. High risk of injury on the technical MTB legs. As you can guess, not very attractive to the pros, and yet a few were prepared to take the risk. The individual race was won by Ben Bright in a time of (I think) 10:44, with Martin Boyd in second place. Third was taken equally by Matt Harris and another Sydneysider whose name escapes me – they reached a pact in the last run leg that they would not destroy each other in a desperate scramble for third place. Three individual male starters withdrew. James Assadi was let down by his helper who did not arrive at the first run start and he had to borrow some shoes. After a 20km mountain run with over 400m climb and descent his feet were not a pretty sight. He continued on with the next swim and bike legs before withdrawing. There were two women individual competitors, both of whom finished. Janine McDonald (?) was the first home in something over 12 hours, followed about 30 minutes later by Diedre Grace. The best time was posted by a team of three – the strategy here was to get a specialist in each discipline (swimmer, MTB rider, runner) and have each stick to their preferred choice. I forget their exact time, maybe something under 10 hours. All of the top "team of three" category places used this formula. Gary Rolfe, Andre Zerger and Robert Marshall did it as one full tri each, but found that much fresher team runners were zooming past on the climbs. There were also a number of teams of four to nine competitors. This was the fun end of the spectrum with groups coming together from workplaces, clubs, etc. There were a few heroic performances here too. Dave Singleton had just done a hard 12 hour rogaine finishing at 10:30pm the previous night (half an hour late, but that’s another story), got home at about 1:30am then got up early to do the first run leg of 20km! There were a number of teams who met up only for the first time on the day. I met my team who had come over from New Zealand especially to do the event at the end of the second swim leg! Quite a few thrills and spills, especially on the bike, but some injuries on the run too. Triathlon ACT executive officer Julia Keith came to grief on the 20km run leg, badly twisting her ankle. Her team sent in a new runner to continue on and rescued her on a MTB then piggybacked her around for the rest of the day. Shane Rattenbury finished the last bike leg with a badly twisted ankle and some nasty gashes – fortunately Canberra Hospital was just down the road so he stopped in at casualty before heading on for the results ceremony. Rob Marshall (who had never ridden a MTB before) also took a couple of tumbles on the last bike leg and was nicknamed the crash-test dummy by Matt Harris and his Sydney compatriot who were competing individually, following close behind. In fact many of the individuals including Ben and Deidre had never ridden a MTB before the day! All in all an amazing day, huge amounts of fun, lots of grit and determination for the individuals. Excellent volunteer support. Look forward to this event becoming a major tradition in its own right, and maybe inspiring similar events elsewhere. — Head, Teaching and Learning     URL:   http://tltsu.anu.edu.au/~dgb900 |   Technology Support Unit       phone: {intl+61+6+ | (06)} 249 5026    | Australian National University  FAX:   {intl+61+6+ | (06)} 249 3992    |

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Can anyone verify that the 30th place finisher; Julie Moss, Cardiff, CA,  2:59:17, at the New York City Marathon is the same person as the famed triathlete? Todd Kearney Swim, Bike, Run

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She told me she was going to do the New York Marathon and after a 3:16:xx at Los Angeles Marathon in March was getting down to more serious training. Time sounds just about right. Timothy Carlson

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You know I never really new how nice runners were until just recently when I ran the Chicago Marathon.  I have been running the last 10 years and I just completed Chicago and Marine Corps Marathons.  While I was running Chicago with my brother, my older sister was at the 17 mile mark with my Dad to cheer us on. (It was my brother’s 1st).   Anyway, my sister came out to run with us on the road for about 1/4 of a mile and while she was doing so, her wallet which had her checkbook and $40.00 cash inside fell out on the road.  She didn’t notice it until she went back to her car.  Anyway, after the run we met at our parents home and she told us the story.  We had told her that it would be returned because it was probably be a runner who picked it up.  I knew runners were good people but I really didn’t expect to see her cash returned, ecspecially after dropping it in Chicago.  About 7 days go by and she gets a phone call from a runner who had picked it up, carried it to the finish line, and then tracked her down by the address on the checkbook to return everything. I am a believer know and thanks.. RSRC/Dave

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To add my $.02 worth, this page has got a nicer group of people because: 1.  For the most part, the majority of distance runners don’t have an ego except when they’re out in the heat of battle.  And even then, I’ve seen them urge on compatriots to do their best, keep it up, etc.–a unique attitude in today’s sporting world.   While the sport of running causes a lot of natural chemical changes in a runner, most runners typically come with a more open mind to things than most others do.  There have been numerous studies on this in athletic journals, studies on runners, etc.  Dr. Sheehan quoted studies on physical makeup that pointed towards these tendencies in his books.   And most of us probably experience this at work–we’re more relaxed and mellow than our non-endurance counterparts. 2.  The rec.weights pages is probably the most brutal exercise group out there compared to this page, for several reasons.  In my opinion, too many people get into lifting to fill some perceived personal void–height, money, being "too skinny", etc.!   Take that group and give it an open forum–whew!  And thats not to say all lifters  bring that attitude.  But there seem to be a large number that do.  Steroids and naturally increased levels of male hormone via weight lifting also lead to that tendency.  I never used any of those drugs, but I do know I became much more agressive when I used to lift seriously because of the body increasing the output of male hormone. Even the triathlete page seems to be have a few more flamers out there than expected, but what the heck–8 hours of swimming, biking, and running would make me grumpy, too!  Probably worse since I don’t swim very well!   Parker

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Of course we are nicer.  It is all that good brain chemical stuff floating around up there…. Hey, why don’t you post your finished paper?  I’d like to read it.  Or email it to me.

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I would be interested to hear any comments as to WHY this is the case.  Is it that runners are nicer/more friendly people, or is there some other reason for it?

Well, in the case of misc.fitness.weights, I would say STEROIDS may have something to do with it!! Trish

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Hey,    I’d like to thank everyone that answered my question on why you run.  I had an overwhelming response.  Where else bu tin a runner’s forum can you find people that nice?  It all helped greatly.                                                  Joe C.

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Hey,   I’d like to thank everyone that answered my question on why you run.  I had an overwhelming response.  Where else bu tin a runner’s forum can you find people that nice?  It all helped greatly.

I have noticed that the people in this news group are much nicer and more civil than many other sports news groups.  I won’t name them because I don’t want to start a flame war; but, there are a couple of popular exercise/sports related groups that are absolutely brutal. I would be interested to hear any comments as to WHY this is the case.  Is it that runners are nicer/more friendly people, or is there some other reason for it? Actually, I think the other (brutal) news groups are that way mainly due to a small minority of particularly unfriendly/predjuced/hate filled people. This is one of my pet peeves so I could elaborate but I won’t … just curious what other people think. Doug Gilliam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                                                 Joe C.

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I have noticed that the people in this news group are much nicer and more civil than many other sports news groups.  I won’t name them because I don’t want to start a flame war; but, there are a couple of popular exercise/sports related groups that are absolutely brutal. I would be interested to hear any comments as to WHY this is the case.  Is it that runners are nicer/more friendly people, or is there some other reason for it?

Here’s my take on some of the groups I subscribe to. If anyone cares what I think… rec.scuba: lots of questions on destinations, some equipment and techniques, and ads often result in minor flaming. Sometimes humorous. rec.running: lots of questions on training, upcoming races, and some equipment, some unsolicited ads, few flame wars. Most people have reasonable knowledge of training methods. rec.bicycles.racing: few questions on training, some equipment, and lots of discussion about pro cycling races, some unsolicited ads, some flame wars. Most people have good knowledge of training methods. misc.fitness.weights: lots of questions on training schedules and techniques, lots on nutrition, supplements, and steroids. Every day there are unsolicited ads for products of questionable value, which are usually met with merciless flaming, and there are some heated flame wars. But, it’s a group that has intentially humerous posts on a regular basis. Some people are clueless about training methods, but some are extremely knowledgeable, and often site scientific references. YMMV. -Warren

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<tragic story deleted – once was enough for me… Sorry to hear about the tragedy there.  It is hard to deal with something like this in a sport that preaches health and fitness.   Rolf Arands, Ph.D.

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<tragic story deleted – once was enough for me… Sorry to hear about the tragedy there.  It is hard to deal with something like this in a sport that preaches health and fitness.  

Just so there is no misunderstanding to my posting… I do not mean this in a nasty way, by the way.  Perhaps my phrasing is better written as it is hard for race organizers to anticipate such a tragedy, and also hard for other race participants when they realize something like this happened.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rolf Arands, Ph.D.

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The race was much smaller this year (individual competition was actually up), but the relay competition (majority of the competitors last year) was down drastically.  I’ll be surprised if the city of Sante Fe will put on the event next year with the bad track record of the past two years. Unfortunately, tri-s in general will really suffer in this area since this is the on event greater than sprint distance left in the state…

I hope your wrong about next year’s race, although I think your fears are probably well-founded. Should Santa Fe *not* have the race next year, it will be yet another testament to the havoc wreak by attorneys and their lawsuit-happy clients on our ability to take risks and push ourselves physically in this country. The *only* reason the city would cancel the race is out of fear of a lawsuit, not because of some inherent "danger" associated with triathlons. Even though the "danger factor" is relatively low in tri’s, there are still certain risks associated with what we do; we all *willingly* assume those risks when we train and race. It’s sad that an otherwise good event might be cancelled because of the tragedies as you describe. With all due respect to the lost triathletes, it’s *our* responsibility to be sure we’re physically fit for our sport…not the race sponsor’s. Let the race go on… (If you’re looking for a good race in the near future, not too far from NM, might I suggest the TX. Hill Country, Sept. 10. It’s a *great* race, well organized, and in beautiful country.) Tad Smith Amoco Production Company Houston, TX

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I’m splitting up the Sante Fe Tri race report into the news/bad news. Unfortunately, this is the bad news… For the second year in a row, a fatality occured in the Sante Fe Triathlon (largest tri in NM and 2nd largest sporting event in NM).  A 51-year old male Albuquerque resident collapsed 20 yards from the (run) finish and died from an apparent heart-attack.  Medics were on the seen immediately (within 15 sec), but were unable to revive him.  A fellow competitor commented in the Sante Fe New Mexican (local paper) that he was passing as Keith (I think) collapsed.  He reached down to help him and his eyes had already rolled back in his head. Last year a 46-year old Albuquerque male resident drowned in the swim (due to a heart attack.)  Safety precautions, last year, were pretty minimal and the organizers were partly at fault.  This year, the race was extremely well organized and safety concerns were not taken lightly.  However, it does make the race pretty morbid watching CPR being performed 20 yds from the finish line. The race was much smaller this year (individual competition was actually up), but the relay competition (majority of the competitors last year) was down drastically.  I’ll be surprised if the city of Sante Fe will put on the event next year with the bad track record of the past two years. Unfortunately, tri-s in general will really suffer in this area since this is the on event greater than sprint distance left in the state…    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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I’ve got a couple equipment questions. 1.  What is considered a safe speed for driving with two bikes on a     fork-mounted Yakima rack?  I drive a Chevrolet Beretta GTU and the     rack was installed by a certified dealer.  I lost a front wheel     off the rack once, going 55 mph with a strong cross wind.(The wheel     bouced off my rear spoiler then rolled for about 300 yards.  Tough     wheel, It wasn’t even out of true.)   Well I realize the schewer(sp?)     wasn’t tight enough, but it has made me very paranoid.  I’ve been     doing a lot of interstate highway driving and some of the roads are     a bit rough.  Is that safe?  Also, what is the best method for     locking the bikes to the rack? 2.  I wanted opinions on which was the best indoor bike trainer.  I have     seen the fans, magnetic resistance?, and rollers in the Nashbar,     Performance, etc.  I would like something that is relatively quiet,     not too expensive, and sturdy.   I would appreciate any advice you can give me.  Thanks,                                                  Alan May                                     Fightin’ Texas Aggie Triathlon Team Keywords:

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[....] 2.  I wanted opinions on which was the best indoor bike trainer.  I have    seen the fans, magnetic resistance?, and rollers in the Nashbar,    Performance, etc.  I would like something that is relatively quiet,    not too expensive, and sturdy.  

IMHO, rollers are by far the best indoor trainer.  They improve your spin and your bike handling.  They are less boring than a training stand (but still boring).  You can get a good workout if you use a resistance device.  The mag units are far quieter.   Rollers take a little work to master.  You should be able to ride them the first day but it will take a couple of weeks of regular use before you’re comfortable.  Set them up in a narrow hallway (which is ideal) or a doorway so that if you execute an "unexpected departure", you won’t fall over. Dave LaPorte U. Minn.

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I think the mag trainers are best. Quiet, simple to use, low cost. The small ones (rear wheel only) a portable but I like the front fork lock ones the best for home use. You can stay in great shape using a trainer. Wonder if this is why East Coast traithletes are so good?

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