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Since the summer it has been a goal of mine to do some, since I have an excellent swimmer friend (not a bad runner, either), as well as a cycling demon who loves long distance. I would obviously run. I would like to get involved in the Oly-type ones next spring/summer where the run is 10k, but would consider a full Ironman, provided the timing was right (I have a marathon in October I don’t want to endanger). Anyway, anyone know where I can go? I live near Toronto and would like to enter a couple in this area, but as a relay team. Do most allow relay? I did a web search and it was kind of frustrating. I know there is one in Burlington in August(?). That’s all I have found. thanks, David (in Ontario) — —  :*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.  "Nunc scio quid sit amor." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

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A local tri here allows relay teams, but I think you’re going to end up just searching for tri’s that are the right place and time and then emailing them to see if they allow relay teams. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since the summer it has been a goal of mine to do some, since I have an excellent swimmer friend (not a bad runner, either), as well as a cycling demon who loves long distance. I would obviously run. I would like to get involved in the Oly-type ones next spring/summer where the run is 10k, but would consider a full Ironman, provided the timing was right (I have a marathon in October I don’t want to endanger). Anyway, anyone know where I can go? I live near Toronto and would like to enter a couple in this area, but as a relay team. Do most allow relay? I did a web search and it was kind of frustrating. I know there is one in Burlington in August(?). That’s all I have found. thanks, David (in Ontario) — —  :*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.  "Nunc scio quid sit amor." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

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David, Most triathlons have a relay event.  You can usually elect to have an all male, all female, or mixed team.  Since we are starting the winter, not many of the triathlon race lists have been completed.  For general race calanders, I suggest you check out: www.triathletemag.com http://www.greatoutdoors.com/auto_docs/insidetri/ For something more specific to your area, drop the people at:: http://www.crosstrainingclub.com/ a line.  They should be able to direct you towards a local calander. Eric Weiss – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since the summer it has been a goal of mine to do some, since I have an excellent swimmer friend (not a bad runner, either), as well as a cycling demon who loves long distance. I would obviously run. I would like to get involved in the Oly-type ones next spring/summer where the run is 10k, but would consider a full Ironman, provided the timing was right (I have a marathon in October I don’t want to endanger). Anyway, anyone know where I can go? I live near Toronto and would like to enter a couple in this area, but as a relay team. Do most allow relay? I did a web search and it was kind of frustrating. I know there is one in Burlington in August(?). That’s all I have found. thanks, David (in Ontario) — — :*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. "Nunc scio quid sit amor." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

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Try a cross country skiing or speed skating shop, for example Nordic Equipment in Utah(www.nordicequipment.com) or Eagle River Nordic in Wisconsin(www.ernordic.com).  There are many more national and local shops, no specific endorsement intended.  If you live in the northern half of the country, there are probably a couple in your phone book. Also, it would probably pay to look at clothing manufacturers’ websites (e.g. Hind and VO Max).  They probably have more specific running stuff(BTW, the olympic athletes’ suits may well be custom jobs; you can also get one for a few hundred dollars). And if you live where it snows, why not try a little skiing this year? Good luck,         Jerry McMahan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did not see anything at RRS or Dsports…..a couple of places like Desoto in San Diego have short sleeve and short bottom one piece suits (for men)…for the Iron-Man Triatholon crowd……however….it’s now in the low 50’s for those of us doing night  and early morning running in New York….and only going lower. Who sells one piece running unitards?….the stuff you see the men wearing in the Olympics?…long sleeve with full pant length?  Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Andrew InSport.com sells running suits. However, the kinds I’ve seen them sell doesn’t have the head covering. It’s just on piece from shoulder to thighs–no head covering. And I don’t recall if it’s full length. C

"Twenty five years ago, being crazy meant something; now everybody’s crazy". – Charles Manson, 1993

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did not see anything at RRS or Dsports…..a couple of places like Desoto in San Diego have short sleeve and short bottom one piece suits (for men)…for the Iron-Man Triatholon crowd……however….it’s now in the low 50’s for those of us doing night  and early morning running in New York….and only going lower. Who sells one piece running unitards?….the stuff you see the men wearing in the Olympics?…long sleeve with full pant length?  Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Andrew

InSport.com sells running suits. However, the kinds I’ve seen them sell doesn’t have the head covering. It’s just on piece from shoulder to thighs–no head covering. And I don’t recall if it’s full length. C

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I did not see anything at RRS or Dsports…..a couple of places like Desoto in San Diego have short sleeve and short bottom one piece suits (for men)…for the Iron-Man Triatholon crowd……however….it’s now in the low 50’s for those of us doing night  and early morning running in New York….and only going lower. Who sells one piece running unitards?….the stuff you see the men wearing in the Olympics?…long sleeve with full pant length?  Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Andrew

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Do you mean for sprints or distance?  The traditional sprint ones are decently cheap and can be bought through EastBay, but you wouldn’t want to wear these for distance.  The new sprint and distance speed suits you saw in the Olympics probably cost a million dollars and I’m not sure you can just buy them off the shelf anyway. Just get yourself a nice pair of looser fitting tights and a running top and maybe jacket from RRS or the like.  You’ll be a lot more comfortable and probably warmer as well.  If you feel like going all out, get something Goretex.  Great stuff although expensive. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did not see anything at RRS or Dsports…..a couple of places like Desoto in San Diego have short sleeve and short bottom one piece suits (for men)…for the Iron-Man Triatholon crowd……however….it’s now in the low 50’s for those of us doing night  and early morning running in New York….and only going lower. Who sells one piece running unitards?….the stuff you see the men wearing in the Olympics?…long sleeve with full pant length?  Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks Andrew

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With regard to my previous e-mail below, I have not exactly had a great deal of response (few people with stories and good luck messages, but not really a flood of views, questions, ideas, etc). To be honest, it is a bit disappointing, and I had hoped that the opportunity to put together a new magazine, newsletter,etc, would be one that people saw positively. I am putting my site together, but your ideas are needed NOW, no matter how small. Brian New Due to the folding of various Triathlon magazines over the last couple of years, and the general consensus from many that there is not enough info around for the novice and the "middle of the pack" Triathlete, I am at enough time, not enough money, kids to feed, DIY to do…..but races to run and dreams to realise. I am a Triathlete based in Warrington and you may have seen my postings regarding setting up of a club in the area. I have had a lot of interest and the seeds are being sown. I also feel that the sport could be made to appeal to more people out there, and having kids myself, I feel that experienced athletes like myself should be helping to encourage the athletes of tomorrow…that is why I recently qualified as a BTA coach. I know that there are great sites such as www.triathletes-uk.org and www.xtri.com, and I would not in any way want to steal their space, but I want to create a site that exists for people like me. Eventually, I would like it to become a fanzine, magazine, newsletter – whatever you want to call it  - but most of all I want it to be a reflection of the sport of Triathlon from the grass roots level – not the elite (though I still feel that we need to encourage our elites, especially Matt Belfield who is a star – it’s just not that many people who know it). I want people to send me pictures, funny stories, sad stories , training advice, training disasters, club news, stolen bike details, equipment reviews, in fact ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING that will be useful to a traithlete in the UK to (ALL ITEMS WILL RECEIVE CREDIT IF NAMES ARE PROVIDED.) I intend to get the site up and running in the next two weeks so get the stories and everything else flying to me…NOW. Keep up the training, and help make a site for the working triathlete…with a sense of humour!!! Thanks for taking the time to read this. Brian New

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Brian,     Check out www.racedates.com. Maybe there is something we can do together in the future. We do offer an automated calendar feature and on-line registration services as well. — Wayne P. Langan   TEL 973.386.2964 Applications Engineer Lucent Technologies  FAX 973.386.6503 http://blda.web.lucent.com/~wpl (Inside Lucent Only)

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Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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June 12th won’t work for me, but I’m interested in adventure racing in general.  Would like to talk to you or anyone else in the Southern California area that has experience in adventure racing or a desire to become involved in it.   Local events would be great as a start, but I’d eventually be interested in trying something like the Raid Galoises or Eco-Challenge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it?

Cory, if you can get enough people together, I’ll do another race with you. Had some of my teamates lined up, but they all backed out. Might be able to get another guy, but don’t have a line on the all important female. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Hello Mark and Corey, Very hard to find people for adventure race teams. There is a lot of interest and fantasizing, but when you get down to the money and time and effort most people have an exuse. Let me tell you that many races now are allowing solo entrants. Examples – Mountain Quest (I did their March race) CA Eco Adventure Beast of the East. Sea2Summit (I did their Vancouver race and will repeat, plus do their new event in the Canadian Rockies). Solo is great. It allows you to plan on doing the race, instead of looking, looking around for those few individuals (and especially a woman) who might be interested in the race and have the time and money to actually do it. I’d do the Catalina race with except I live over here in Colorado. Mark, I hope you did well at Wildflower. I did not go back this year. Missed seeing you last year although I saw some jerseys with Inferno Tri on them.

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June 12th is definitely short notice for me, but I’d be interested in trying an event like that in the future. Anyone in the Southern Calif. area that has experience at adventure racing or an interest in the sport can contact me at try some local events with an eye toward competing in some of the larger, more challenging races. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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Anyone seen the Aegis Trident ‘99?  There’s a pic in Triathlete this month and it looks hot.  Was wondering if anyone has experience with Aegis and what they thought.

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I’ve got a LOT of different tri-frames available here in Texas, and this summer they ALL looked hot!  :)   (sorry, I couldnt resist) Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone seen the Aegis Trident ‘99?  There’s a pic in Triathlete this month and it looks hot.  Was wondering if anyone has experience with Aegis and what they thought.

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Well no sooner had I posted my impressions of the Trident, then I went out browsing a pair of training wheels for the winter.  Found a pair of durable Mavic Opens… just so happened to be attached to a used Spectrum titanium bike by Merlin Can’t wait for that titanium glide first thing in the morning! Randy

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I not only saw a 99 Trident this weekend but rode it too. Your right it looks sharp and looks very aero. I only rode it for a few minutes but the initial feeling was stiff and smooth nothing like the aluminum rattle machine that I ride. The one that I rode was at ProSpeed in Baltimore. I dont know who else carries them. 410-823-7000                         Dave B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’ve had an Aegis carbon fibre bike since April and am more than satisfied.  I love the bike.  Am very happy with all aspects of bike.

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this that allows bobos like yours truly

See, I knew that "Tribobo" would stick, and being BWB is still a honorable position in any World (can I use that word) Championship. Dan,  (will try again, lottery loser)

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I’ve had so many thoughts on this exact issue over the last couple of years. It’s kind of nice to be made to verbalize them. So here we go…the Aussie version, completely unedited for your reading pleasure. I have no greater dream than to qualify for IMH. The whole notion of the lottery somehow took (note the past tense) something away from the magic that surrounded this event. But I realize that there are many people like myself (Tribaby excused!!!) who will never make it into this event without some leg up on the competition. The lottery provides that edge. I do agree with Tribaby that there are still 1350 or so incredible athletes who have qualified for this magnificent event (certainly not to take away from the magnificence of those who have earned a lottery spot – congrats Carlos!!!). The whole notion of the "people’s race" is what keeps me going in pursuit of a spot in that starting line-up. Without it, I probably wouldn’t even blink an eye at the mention of IMH. The fairness of the lottery is certainly an issue though that needs to be addressed. Being an expat Aussie living in the U.S., you can probably work out where I’m going with this next thread.The equal inclusion of ALL nationalities is imperative for a true world championship. It’s like the World Series Baseball. I don’t recall any Aussie teams stepping up to the plate. Hence I have little respect for baseball at that level of competition. At this point, however, I still respect IMH. But being excluded from the lottery in the country that I am now calling my home is really a kick in the goonies. I am still an Aussie citizen but also a resident of this country. I am not going to give up my Aussie citizenship to compete in a race. It is too important to me. Besides, I still talk funny, I can’t be an American!!! I’m not letting this stop me though. I’m entered in IMC this year and plan on crossing the finish line (if that’s possible) with an Aussie flag clenched tightly in my sweaty, quivering fist. Just the fact that I have the opportunity to enter IMC under any means excites me. It would be incredible to have the opportunity to feel the same intimacy with IMH. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t know if I can wait until I reach the 70+ age group to have a chance at beating out the other three or four competitors in this country that want to compete in IMH. But it might be my only hope unless the lottery is opened up. So with that said, let me respond to some of your quotes directly.  

snip The alternative would be to create a U.S. mainland IM distance qualifier for lottery types who want to get that IM feeling.

Can’t agree with you. It would just be another qualifier and those of us outside the top five in our age-group would be screwed yet again. The answer: open up the lottery spots for IMH world-wide,

Definately… &/or rotate the ‘World Championships’ around the world to any of the current/future sanctioned IM races.

Nope!!! If It’s not Hawaii, it wouldn’t be the same. Can you imagine the Wimbledon tennis championships in Laguna Phuket??? Thanks, Gavin, for the provocation of cognitive juices. Hope to see you in Penticton. Good luck with the training. Happy training all. Gibbo

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I actually forwarded some of the stuff, from a few months ago, to WTC. Probably means nothing, but it least it made me feel better that I hadn’t just sat there and done nothing other than complain. — MB.

Gavin: Do a DejaNews(www.dejanews.com) powersearch and you’ll find quite a long thread from just a few months ago that went into this same topic. I think one of the biggest points/revelations to those making the same complaint as you were that the Ironman series is privately owned by the World Triathlon Corp.  Since they run the series and not an international federation they can do qualifications however they please. I don’t mean to be abrupt, but any complaints fall on deaf ears unless they are made to WTC. Stacy Hills Reston, VA (USA)

|I’m sure this little ditty will provoke the the ire of some my |American neighbours to the south, but its intent is to generate |discussion regarding the ‘World Championship’ status of IMH. | |There is no doubt that IMH is truly an international world class event |whose profile has increased year after year. This being true, I |believe all competitors should, regardless of nationality, have equal |opportunity to compete in this prestigious event, & have the chance |to represent their nation in the world’s toughest single day sporting |event. | |By definition, ‘world championship’  means the best from around the |world representing their respective nations competing for title of |best in the world. Currently, U.S. citizens enjoy the unfair advantage |of entering a lottery to compete. Is this ‘World Championship’ worthy? | |I believe for IMH to be truly considered a ‘World Championship’, |lottery spots for U.S. citizens have to go. The alternative would be |to create a U.S. mainland IM distance qualifier for lottery types who |want to get that IM feeling. With world demand to get into IMH getting |ever more competitive, everybody who gets to Kona should have earned |their entry. | |On the other side of the coin, the argument that this is a ‘peoples |event’, read; NBC ratings, may prevent the race from ever becoming a |true ‘World  Championship’. The idea of not having some ‘common man’ |for the human interest story in amongst all the ‘freaks’  would send |the ratings people into a tailspin. The answer: open up the lottery |spots for IMH world-wide, &/or rotate the ‘World Championships’ around |the world to any of the current/future sanctioned IM races. Just think |NBC; new vistas, exotic locales… | |Just my $0.02 worth & some possible solutions. The status quo is no |longer valid & is unfair. | |Tri your best, | |Gavin. |IMC – ‘96; 11:40 |IMC – ‘98; ? |

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Gavin: Do a DejaNews(www.dejanews.com) powersearch and you’ll find quite a long thread from just a few months ago that went into this same topic. I think one of the biggest points/revelations to those making the same complaint as you were that the Ironman series is privately owned by the World Triathlon Corp.  Since they run the series and not an international federation they can do qualifications however they please.  I don’t mean to be abrupt, but any complaints fall on deaf ears unless they are made to WTC. Stacy Hills Reston, VA (USA)

|I’m sure this little ditty will provoke the the ire of some my |American neighbours to the south, but its intent is to generate |discussion regarding the ‘World Championship’ status of IMH. | |There is no doubt that IMH is truly an international world class event |whose profile has increased year after year. This being true, I |believe all competitors should, regardless of nationality, have equal |opportunity to compete in this prestigious event, & have the chance |to represent their nation in the world’s toughest single day sporting |event. | |By definition, ‘world championship’  means the best from around the |world representing their respective nations competing for title of |best in the world. Currently, U.S. citizens enjoy the unfair advantage |of entering a lottery to compete. Is this ‘World Championship’ worthy? | |I believe for IMH to be truly considered a ‘World Championship’, |lottery spots for U.S. citizens have to go. The alternative would be |to create a U.S. mainland IM distance qualifier for lottery types who |want to get that IM feeling. With world demand to get into IMH getting |ever more competitive, everybody who gets to Kona should have earned |their entry. | |On the other side of the coin, the argument that this is a ‘peoples |event’, read; NBC ratings, may prevent the race from ever becoming a |true ‘World  Championship’. The idea of not having some ‘common man’ |for the human interest story in amongst all the ‘freaks’  would send |the ratings people into a tailspin. The answer: open up the lottery |spots for IMH world-wide, &/or rotate the ‘World Championships’ around |the world to any of the current/future sanctioned IM races. Just think |NBC; new vistas, exotic locales… | |Just my $0.02 worth & some possible solutions. The status quo is no |longer valid & is unfair. | |Tri your best, | |Gavin. |IMC – ‘96; 11:40 |IMC – ‘98; ? |            

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Gavin, Let me first start out by saying that I am one of the lucky ones that got accepted into this year

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated.

We have one club, Tri-Atlanta (see http://www.msm.edu/groups/tri-atlanta/). There are a few local races: May:  UGA Triathlon, middle distance tri   June: Powerful Peach Tri (formerly Tide Ride Stride), sprint tri       Cumming Triathlon (status uncertain for ‘97), sprint tri July: All American Tri (formerly Hootersman), sprint tri Tom Z also has the Gatorade series in Augusta and Jekyll Island and possibly one new race this year. There are also races within short driving distance in Tennessee, Alabama, and South Carolina.   David Welcome to Atlanta!

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated. TriMilo

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated. TriMilo

Lots of good triathletes and good races close by…..Jim Lefebre…National and World champ….Betty Mills National champ….Bruce Buchannan National, World and Ironman champ,…Jan Elsbach 3rd age group at Ironman……etc. Great training weather……good pools…….good group rides…… I like it! cheers Sam

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Dear Triathletes, … beach to practice open water training.  Alec Rukosuev is a fantastic swimmer ( 1989 Swim Champ of Russia; 1993,94,95 Panama City Half Ironman 1994, 2nd in 1995) and supervising the swimming.  His wife, Lera Rukosuev, the 1989 USSR Swimming Champ, will also be coaching.  Bill

This really has nothing to do with anything except personal curiosity. What event(s) exactly were Alec and Lera Rukosuev "Swim Champ"s in? Just curious, myke — Tellmesomethingidontknowtellmesomethingicanusepushthebuttonconnectthegoddam ndots

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Dear Triathletes, Here’s some info on our camps. The camps will be held at Vacation Village in Clermont, Florida (15 miles west of Orlando), site of the Great Floridian Triathlon, The Florida Challenge Tri and others. The dates are April 5,6,7, 1996 and May 31, June1,2, 1996.   Jeff Cuddeback (MA in Exercise Physiology and Industrial Psychology) is coordinating the training (407-788-7030) so give him a call for any specifics.  Jeff believes in training quality over quantity;  people he’s coached in the past have improved their times with shorter training hours.  Jeff is a 35-39 age grouper who is the 1994 U.S. Champ, the 1993 U.S., World, Ironman Champion, and the 1992 Overall U.S. Champ.  The camp is aimed at age-groupers who want to improve their times and enjoyment of the sport.   The camp is designed to have people share ideas, so everyone benefits.   We’ll start the day with a short run, have breakfast, and then start the training.  Besides the 25 meter pool, there is a beautiful lake and beach to practice open water training.  Alec Rukosuev is a fantastic swimmer ( 1989 Swim Champ of Russia; 1993,94,95 Panama City Half Ironman Winner; 1993 Disney Marathon 2:21 Winner; 1st out of the water Hawaii 1994, 2nd in 1995) and supervising the swimming.  His wife, Lera Rukosuev, the 1989 USSR Swimming Champ, will also be coaching.  Bill Keith of Cannondale will also join in for cycle coaching: however Jeff’s average speed for Hawaii in 1993 was 23mph so he knows biking also.  Jim Ward, the 75+ age group phenom will be coaching also.  Jim has 6 World and 12 U.S. Championships under his belt, including 1995 Worlds and 2 Hawaii Ironman wins. The cost is $349 which includes 3 nights lodging and breakfast and lunch each day and a Saturday nite party; we request a $100 deposit to hold a spot, which is refundable up to 1 month before the camp. The price goes up to $399 on March 5 for the first camp.   Hope to see you there.  We’ll be sending out questioneres to all who have signed up soon.  E-mail me or Call 407-884-5008 for any other info. JOLF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….  Was considering purchasing a supply of performance supplement products.  The product I am considering is called E-Caps(all natural).  The cardio. performance enhancer contains cytochrome C, tri-methylglycine, and calcium gluconate.  The muscular performance enhancer contains Vitamin E, inosine, ATP-Pure and glycerol phosphate.   …. I’d love to see some physiologist’s comments on this stuff, my personal bias is that its a lot BS. Although my background is in physics, I did take some biochem in undergrad…, and its true that ATP is the compound synthesized with the cell to release energy (ATP – ADP + phosphate group + energy), but that’s all going on inside the mitochondria within the cells. I seriously doubt ATP in a pill is going to survive the digestive system and then get to the cells without getting broken down. Anyone have any references on some real research on this sort of stuff… (and not the crap that E-caps calls research). David Sing

David, No offense, but take a closer look at the product line.  The ATP part of it is very small.  Actually, it’s a minor part of the program.  Acutally, it’s more of a "if you want to spend some more $$, try this too" kind of thing.  I have nothing to do with the company or the product. I just don’t like something getting way out of hand.  I’ve read a lot of the materials and tried the stuff (no ATP products) and they didn’t really do much for me.  However, I have friends that they work very well for. If you look closely, all off the "chemicals" with the fancy names are just vitamins.  Some a little more advanced then others but still basically vitamins.  I still don’t know why people keep focusing on the ATP part of this (though, I agree, that part is basically BS). John (just a multivitamin and C kinda guy) K. PS.  Are you going to join us at MVM again soon?

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The products that I benefit from the most are the Race CAPS and Enduro CAPS.  The arguments about ATP holding up during digestion are irrelvant with these two products, as they contain primarily Cytochrome-C (Enduro) and Co-Q10 (Race CAPS).  ATP is the primary ingredient in their Training CAPS product, which was introduced as an economical alternative to Race CAPS (Co-Q10 is expensive stuff).

Colgan, Michael, M.D., _Optimum Sports Nutrition_, p235         "… the notion that giving this chemical [cytochrome C] by mouth         can increase cytochrome C oxidase activity in muscles, is pure         hokum.  Not a shred of scientific evidence." He goes on to say re: CoQ10 on p236 …         "Dr. Karl Folkers and colleagues at the University of Texas have         shown that oral supplements of CoQ can easily increase muscle         levels [of CoQ]. [...] You even get a bonus because CoQ10 is also a         powerful antioxidant, and neutralizes some free radicals as well as         increasing the efficiency of the energy cycle." In other words, there’s no evidence that oral cytochrome C helps you, but there’s good evidence that oral CoQ10 does. – Tim Iverson

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….but take a closer look at the product line.  The ATP part of it is very small.  Actually, it’s a minor part of the program.  Acutally, it’s more of a "if you want to spend some more $$, try this too" kind of thing…If you look closely, all off the "chemicals" with the fancy names are just vitamins.  Some a little more advanced then others but still basically vitamins.  I still don’t know why people keep focusing on the ATP part of this (though, I agree, that part is basically BS).

I have no complaints about taking vitamin supplements, but if E-caps actually admitted what they are selling at such an outrageous price I seriously doubt anyone would shell out the kind of bucks they ask for their stuff. It would be like paying $100 for plastic sunglasses that cost $5 to make …oops, I already do that! PS.  Are you going to join us at MVM again soon?

PS. Next time I’m at Varian I’ll try to hit the pool. David Sing

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: …… I still don’t know why people keep focusing on the ATP : part of this (though, I agree, that part is basically BS). For me, the issue is credibility.  The use of orally administered ATP is clearly BS.  I don’t have the background to judge some of the other supplements.  However, if they BS me about one of their products, why should I accept their statements about the others? Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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For more medical info on E-caps: Check Dr Jenkin’s WWW (http://riceinfo.rice.edu:80/~jenkins/) page out for a summary on a double-blind study on testing E-CAPS on some triathletes. Also some interesting comments on the potential effects of orally injested ATP. David Sing Fusion Research Center The University of Texas at Austin 512 471 9067

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I’ve been using (and paying for, so this is not an endorsement of a sponsor’s product) E-CAPS since 1988.  I know they work for me, and there are countless high-end performers who will concur.  Judy Flannery (probably the best multi-sport woman over the age of 50 ever) has also been using the product for years, and summed it up best when she said, "Hey, I don’t know how they work, or even if they work–but I’m not going to stop taking them to find out!"  Bill Reilly and Ned Overend are also sponsored by them, along with my brother Nate.  And again, I don’t lean on him to give me free product–it’s worth what I pay for it. My experience has been reiterated by the following practice:  Every winter I eliminate E-CAPS from my daily regimen.  I build base miles and keep the intensity low.  Once I start building training intensities in the early spring and begin to feel broken down, I reintroduce E-CAPS before workouts.  My recovery times are reduced and I’m able to continue progressing without fatigue-related set-backs. The products that I benefit from the most are the Race CAPS and Enduro CAPS.  The arguments about ATP holding up during digestion are irrelvant with these two products, as they contain primarily Cytochrome-C (Enduro) and Co-Q10 (Race CAPS).  ATP is the primary ingredient in their Training CAPS product, which was introduced as an economical alternative to Race CAPS (Co-Q10 is expensive stuff). 30-day money-back guaranteed supply, so find out for yourself if they work, at no risk.  Their number is 800-336-1977.

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I have competed in one duathlon and two triathlons thusfar(still new to the multi-sport arena).  Was considering purchasing a supply of performance supplement products.  The product I am considering is called E-Caps(all natural).  The cardio. performance enhancer contains cytochrome C, tri-methylglycine, and calcium gluconate.  The muscular performance enhancer contains Vitamin E, inosine, ATP-Pure and glycerol phosphate.   I was wondering if anyone had any experience with these or similar products. Any comments would be helpful.  Thanks. RNRyan

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….  Was considering purchasing a supply of performance supplement products.  The product I am considering is called E-Caps(all natural).  The cardio. performance enhancer contains cytochrome C, tri-methylglycine, and calcium gluconate.  The muscular performance enhancer contains Vitamin E, inosine, ATP-Pure and glycerol phosphate.   ….

I’d love to see some physiologist’s comments on this stuff, my personal bias is that its a lot BS. Although my background is in physics, I did take some biochem in undergrad…, and its true that ATP is the compound synthesized with the cell to release energy (ATP – ADP + phosphate group + energy), but that’s all going on inside the mitochondria within the cells. I seriously doubt ATP in a pill is going to survive the digestive system and then get to the cells without getting broken down. Anyone have any references on some real research on this sort of stuff… (and not the crap that E-caps calls research). As for beginning triathlete/duathlete Par4ryan, have fun and train hard, but smart. Eat a decent diet, but don’t be a slave to it. In general I think that athletes, and especially endurance athletes, fall prey to too many gimmicks, be it diet, vitamins, trick equipment, or nutritional supplements. Just some good hard work will take you a long way. David Sing TEXT-U Tokamak Group/ RF Heating Fusion Research Center The University of Texas at Austin 512 471-9067

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I am looking for some good software to keep track of my triathlon training – Does anybody know of any on an ftp site ? If not what commercial software would you recommend and is it worth it ? Or does a pen and pencil do a better job !!! On a side issue, other than this news-group is there any other place to find hot tri-gossip on the net ????

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The demo copy of our software, The Athlete’s Diary, is available by anonymous ftp from sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/academic/athletics/running/products/diary        Windows version is tadwin.zip        Mac version is tadmac.sit        General information (please read): tad.info furman.edu in /pub/drs/software/diary        Windows version is tadwin.zip        Mac version is tadmac.sit        General information (please read): tad.info The demo versions are fully functioning copies of the software, with the single limitation that new logs can contain a maximum of 25 entries. The Athlete’s Diary is the official training software of Tri-Fed/USA, and is available to Tri-Fed members through Tri-Fed at a special discount. Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software

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