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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

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Whoops – think I sent my reply to your e-mail Liz (silly me).   To reiterate SPORTS (is there anything else – okay comics).   Sometimes I try to be a well rounded person and read the front page but then I realize how depressing it and go back to the box scores…..MAC

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

I always read the front page and editorials first.  I guess I skim over the comics, and I never read the sports. :: Dan

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Read all of the news before work. Need my daily fix. Skim letters to editor. Read one cartoon. Usually skip business, classifieds. Skip sport, unless I can find something with which to tease Kenny. Meryl

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I read the headlies and pick ut the topics of interest .Nver read sports stocks or entertainment.

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Right now I am only reading the real estate section because we are looking for a townhouse, otherwise I don’t even get a newspaper.

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Comics, then sports. Boyd

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Anything that mentions art, or pornography instanly draws my eye. I’m not particularly proud of this, but it is true. Andy My skin is sallow. I need sun.

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

The most interesting sections of the news paper to me is the local news. I skim over the front page and NEVER read the sports section. Lucia    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–= Over 100,000 Newsgroups – Ulimited Fast Downloads – 19 Servers =—–

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I read everything:)))))))

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?

Home & family, Politics, the first section, business, classifieds  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Local & State happenings Which sections do you never read?

Sports, Religion Jess "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear." -Ambrose Redmoon

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

Interesting sections? 1st: comics. Hey, I’d rather start out with a laugh rather than read about who’s shooting, bombing etc who. 2nd: Horoscope. Again, start off on a good note and a laugh. 3rd: Local business ads. Also a source of some good laughter 4th: Arts and Entertainment. Gawd, we live in the boonies. Cheryl & I miss concerts, recitals, opera, the ballet. Ted’s going to grow up and not have experienced too darn much of these. (((( 5th: Want ads, job listings. Need I say more? 6th: Local news and the Op. Ed. page. Also sometimes good for a laugh. 7th: Skim over National & International news. If I want to find out more, I go to the Internet. 9th: Business and Stock Market listings. Want to find out how much more lower the Canadian dollar can go. 10th: Sports, only when they’re regarding either Soccer, Judo, or Bike Racing. Any kind of bike racing. Road, Track, Triathalon, Mountain biking, or the Gonzo’s in Down Hill Slalom. Football, never. Hockey, Baseball and Basketball, to check on either the Maple Leafs, Jays or the Raptors. With the Maple Leafs this can, sadly, also involve laughter. The Air Canada Centre’s OK, but there was someting about the atmosphere back at the Gardens. *Some* seats with blind spots. Seats that could be *quite * uncomfortable. Going off on a trek to visit either the Washroom, or to get a snack. This was part of the whole Gardens aura. Best experienced when the Montreal Hab’s were in town. Alan B. If you want my real email, remove all the *’s.

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you? Front page and local news Which sections do you skim over lightly? Obits, editorials, Ann Landers, sports  Which sections do you never read? Classifieds, ads smiles, Elise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take care, Liz

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

I read the political sections, the cultural sections, my vaourite columnists, take a look at the sports pages and I never read the economic pages. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Anything that mentions art, or pornography instanly draws my eye. I’m not particularly proud of this, but it is true. Andy

Of course you’re a bit embarrassed about the art thingie but I wouldn’t worry about the porn ) Philip (art historian) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My skin is sallow. I need sun. When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read?

Classified, pickup trucks, garage sales, chuck the rest, – Kinder

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I have been a newspaper-phile since I was about 10 years old (and began producing my own, "The Family News", at that age!). I started on the old New York Herald Tribune that my dad would bring home on the commuter train from NYC in those days. (We lived in suburban Connecticut.) I still read just about the entire newspaper every day: Providence Journal 7 days a week, plus New York Times on Sundays. Love the Op-Ed and editorial pages, local and national and international news, "lifestyle" stuff, sports, obits, humor, reviews, whatever. I *don’t* read the stock market gibberish. I gotta admit: I start with the comics and Ann Landers!  LOL    So highbrow, ya know.  :-D xo Anne

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I never read the sports, I like the Living section.

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: :When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to :you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you :never read? I only get the Sunday paper….so the first thing I read and look through are all the circulars Being it is gardening season, I look at the Home Depot, Lowe`s, Frank`s Nursery flyers to see what plants they have on I might read the main section and the entertainment section. I never read the comics and rarely read the sports section. Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read?

The family and home improvement pages are first, followed by local news, then national and world news, one cartoon… I never read sports, auto stuff, marketplace

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When you read the newspaper, what sections are the most interesting to you?  Which sections do you skim over lightly? Which sections do you never read? Take care, Liz

obits for the ages of the people..I don’t know why…and for apt hunting..a very east cost thing I had to do growing up. I skim the sports, I scour the living, and I read the classifieds. I read the first paragraph and last paragraph of most news stories..I avoid the stocks Cat

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the obits first.(especially now being back to work) the front page/inside page editorial page rental section vacation homes etc. that is it. — …

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Time to start training properly again… Question: While I be able to maintain my cycling base this winter, if I           work a lot harder on short, high HR rides, instead of long ones? Background: I don’t have any means to ride a bike for 6 hours from             November to April. I do have, however, a stationary bike,             cross country skis, and access to a Lifecycle (20 minutes max)         I want to get a lot faster, so speed work is essential. I’m just worried that I will have problems working back up to long distance next summer if I’ve been doing to many short, hard rides during the winter. I want to race an early 1/2 IM in May, and be prepared for IM distance in July. Comments? Re: running. I’m dumb enough to run in -30 weather or in freezing rain. Not worried. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55.59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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David —     *Everything* I’ve read suggests that you’ll (a) burn out and (b) not hold on to your fitness as well as doing long efforts.  This *doesn’t* mean don’t go hard, it means go hard a little each week, but concentrate on base building without speed loss.     An example: of 6 hours in a week – 4 overdistance, 1.5 tempo/pace, 0.5 AT AND the other sports you mentioned are fine for maintaining fitness, and can be partially substituted for time on the bike.  As for more power and speed on the bike, time for weights at the gym  – there is no substitute for off-season squats, leg presses, etc. IMHO: Just have fun, break up the pace every once in awhile, and keep at it! Neal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Time to start training properly again… Question: While I be able to maintain my cycling base this winter, if I           work a lot harder on short, high HR rides, instead of long ones? Background: I don’t have any means to ride a bike for 6 hours from             November to April. I do have, however, a stationary bike,             cross country skis, and access to a Lifecycle (20 minutes max)         I want to get a lot faster, so speed work is essential. I’m just worried that I will have problems working back up to long distance next summer if I’ve been doing to many short, hard rides during the winter. I want to race an early 1/2 IM in May, and be prepared for IM distance in July. Comments? Re: running. I’m dumb enough to run in -30 weather or in freezing rain. Not worried. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55.59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Time to start training properly again… Question: Will I be able to maintain my cycling base this winter, if I          work a lot harder on short, high HR rides, instead of long ones? Background: I don’t have any means to ride a bike for 6 hours from            November to April. I do have, however, a stationary bike,            cross country skis, and access to a Lifecycle (20 minutes max)

Hi David, Thought I’d throw out an answer to this one.  I’ve been asking some cyclists and triathletes around here the same question.  Of course they all give different answers.  Many of the real hard core cyclists take up mountain biking around this time, and do it all through the winter.  And when they go out on a weekend, it’s for 4 hours at a time, with lots of sprinting mixed in.  So they’re getting both hard efforts and long rides in all winter. As for riding the trainer, I’ve had conflicting advice.  One ironman type who’s mostly a runner says do 2 or 3 times 40 minutes every week, 25 minutes of that hard, just to keep the cycling system in gear, and don’t worry about the long stuff until the spring.  Others may take a few months break until Christmas, but by January are doing several hour+ rides indoors every week.  It’s really not so bad if you have people to ride with and music blasting. I’m personally planning to concentrate mostly on running this winter, but in the next month or so will start to get in a regular 2/week 40 minutes hard on the trainer.  Then in January I’ll add one 60 minute moderate trainer ride per week.  And this spring, I really want to get back on the roads as early as possible, even if only irregularly due to weather at first, and even if only on my old bike.  There’s always surprise odd sunny dry days now and then, starting in March at least. Does anyone else living in cold climates want to tell us what they do? You folks who live where you can be on the roads year-round really have an advantage here, I think. Susan

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Hello, I am searching the biggest triathlon event over the short distance (1,5 km – 40 km – 10 km). At the moment Roth Rothsee-Triathlon with about 1000 competitors is leading. Whom of you knows a bigger one? Send me an email please. cu gerd http://www.rothsee.de

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Hello, I am searching the biggest triathlon event over the short distance (1,5 km – 40 km – 10 km). At the moment Roth Rothsee-Triathlon with about 1000 competitors is leading. Whom of you knows a bigger one? Send me an email please.

Not even close.  Try Mrs. T’s Chicago Triathlon.  The numbers I’ve heard for that one are between 3,000 and 5,000 participants. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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<<I am searching the biggest triathlon event over the short distance (1,5 km – 40 km – 10 km). At the moment Roth Rothsee-Triathlon with about 1000 competitors is leading. Whom of you knows a bigger one? Send me an email please. I can’t give you the exact competitor count these days, but Chicago (Illinois, USA) hosts Mrs. T’s Chicago Triathlon, an event that has been billed for a long time as "The World’s Largest" triathlon.  This 1.5K swim/40K bike/10K run event has been scoring in the 3,000-4,000 competitor range in recent years, I believe. –Tri-Hard (a.k.a. Lee Crumbaugh)

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Mrs. T’s in Chicago in 1995 had almost 5,000 total entries. Timothy Carlson

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Hello, I am searching the biggest triathlon event over the short distance (1,5 km – 40 km – 10 km). At the moment Roth Rothsee-Triathlon with about 1000 competitors is leading. Whom of you knows a bigger one? Send me an email please. Apparently, the London Triathlon, which is a new

event this year in September, already has 1500 entrants. the biggest, though, is Chicago with about 5000. Rob. — Rob Docherty

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Hello, I am searching the biggest triathlon event over the short distance (1,5 km – 40 km – 10 km). At the moment Roth Rothsee-Triathlon with about 1000 competitors is leading. Whom of you knows a bigger one? Send me an email please.

The Danskin Womens Triathlon, a sprint race, had 1,557 entrants in 1996.  Each race of the series averages about 1000 racers. It was huge in Seattle.  I got to work the swim start, as each of the racers swam by. Rob

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Hello Rob,  thank you for your answer. To you have more details about the London Triathlon? Maybe a website? cu gerd http://www.rothsee.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, the London Triathlon, which is a new event this year in September, already has 1500 entrants. the biggest, though, is Chicago with about 5000. Rob. — Rob Docherty

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The Mrs. T’s is the world’s largest with almost 4,000 athletes annually for each of the last 8 years (the event celebrates its 15 anniversary this year). This year’s date is Sunday, August 3rd in downtwon Chicago.

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I learned of Judy’s death while out with some friends last nite.  Still in a state of disbelief.  She was an inspiration.  Though I barely knew her I constantly was telling people what an incredible athlete she was (actually outsplit most of the pro females at Bud Lite Delaware Tri a few years back). We had some pretty close races despite her being about 25 years older than me! (And my mother actually would route for her to beat me). Sounds like she was an all-around great woman, not just athlete. My prayers go out to her family and friends.  What a loss. -Laurie Hug

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I had an idea that might be fitting for the lose of one of this sports great icons – some race in Maryland should be renamed the Judy Flannery Memorial Triathlon with proceeds benefitting some charity Judy would have like to serve.  She was a great ambassador for our sport and her contribution should never be forgotten.  - LJO III

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This morning on a training ride, Judy Flannery was hit by an automobile and killed.  Those of us who were blessed to know Judy are in shock.  She was truly one of the finest human beings God placed on this earth.  The incident was reported on this evening’s news in Washington, D.C.  I will report what the Washington Post reports tomorrow. Andy Weissel

I wish to express my personal sympathy to the family of Judy Flannery who suffered such an untimely demise. I would like to say more, but, as I had not met this lady but have read the newsgroup’s articles, that this was a very special person. As Chair of the Womens’ Commission of the British Triathlon Association, I am sure all triathletes in Great Britain would wish me to extend our deepest sympathy and all our thoughts are with you at this sad time. Biddie. — Biddie Foord

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My name is Hyun Lee.  I was a friend of Judy’s from D.C.   I knew her through our Wednesday morning group rides out River Road to Poolesville. I just heard about what happened.  I still don’t know how to react.  Does anyone know how to send sympathies to her family? I had moved to Seattle and  have just recently realized that the accident that some of my friends had mentioned involved Judy.  For a few weeks, I thought … this couldn’t have happened to someone I knew.  The facts of what happened and the victims surrounded familiar, but I didn’t want to make the connection until a friend recently mentioned it again and she said that Judy’s name sounded familiar.  I still find it hard to accept that it happened.  I don’t even know how to react when I hear about how it happened.  All I do know is that in the time I knew Judy she was a great and inspirational athlete, a wonderful wife and mother, and most importantly to me a good friend.  I will truly miss her.  I know we’re all hurt by her passing.  I only hope that something positive can result from this tragedy.  For those of you in the D.C. area, we all know how risky riding can be out there…so please, be careful and be safe.

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Jim, I think you have already started something.  We have a problem with agressive drives here in DC, and I have had my share of run-ins on with them on my bike.  Fortunately, its been 20 years since one last hit me (knock on wood).  I will send a letter to the Montgomery DA (and yes I DO vote), and copy Doug Duncan our county commission chair, and the Washington Post. I hope others will do likewise.  Silence is acceptance. Neal Elliott Silver Spring, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems to me that with some pretty basic technology we have readily available to us – perhaps a listserver, an occasional post here and/or in the cycling newsgroups, maybe a little help from some of the websites or cycling advocacy groups – we could overwhelm the proper officials with our concerns; nothing beligerent or threatening, just a tangible reminder that huge numbers of active members of the community are watching. With minimal effort on the part of individuals — probably little more than cutting and pasting from email to word processor software, printing and signing — we could make a huge impact. The State’s Attorney for Montgomery County — and I have no evidence to suggest that he is doing anything less than a fine job — is an elected position, and while he is only directly accountable to the people of his county, the knowledge that the world is watching can be an incredible motivator to do the right thing. If there’s room for discretion, I’d sure like for him to have heard my thoughts. Perhaps eventually some sort of group could be started — something like CASTE – Coalition of Athletes for Safe Training Environments– to advocate for the victims much the way MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) does.  Again, with some fairly simple online distribution this wouldn’t take much, but think of the difference we could make. Imagine what goes through the mind of a parole officer when he’s got a convicted drunk driver’s file in one hand, and a file full of letters from MADD mothers in the other. Below is a letter I sent off today.  If you feel the same way, feel free to use any or all of it or to modify it in anway you deem appropriate. April 4, 1997 Mr. Robert L. Dean State’s Attorney for Montgomery County 50 Maryland Avenue, 5th Floor Rockville, Maryland 20850 Dear Mr. Dean: I was shocked and saddened to learn of the details surrounding the death of triathlete Judith Marie Flannery.  As an avid cyclist and triathlete myself, I have become convinced that I will never be truly safe until those responsible for tragedies such as this are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Because I do not know all of the details surrounding this case, I will not presume to inform you of what I think would be the appropriate action for you to take, but as a member of a large and vocal international community I will watch with great interest the outcome of this case. I am tired of the slaughter of my fellow athletes by motorists who often go on to face nothing more serious than a conviction for a minor traffic violation.  I am very hopeful, Mr. Dean, that you will do your part to put an end to these senseless deaths. Sincerely,

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Although I had met Judy just last year — at Powerman Al– I felt as though I’d known her a lifetime.  She was an inspiration to me in too many ways.  We had planned to go to the Italian Bike Camp this year…I think we should all join forces and work together to make out roads safer–somehow.  This should be our "wake-up’ call to do something…in her spirit, with her spirit.

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Kristin and I count ourselves among the fortunate who have had the opportunity to meet Judy, at the World Championships the past two years. Her energy, enthusiasm, and leadership in the multisport community will be sorely missed, but our loss pales in comparison to the loss her family is suffering. Our thoughts and prayers go out to her family. John Miller Kristin Miller Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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    I want to say let’s all carry on with some of Judy’s spirit.  We can sustain her presence; and improve our own and others’ lives as well.   What a tragic senseless loss.       What else can we all do? Pete

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Although I had met Judy just last year — at Powerman Al– I felt as though I’d known her a lifetime.  She was an inspiration to me in too many ways.  We had planned to go to the Italian Bike Camp this year…I think we should all join forces and work together to make out roads safer–somehow.  This should be our "wake-up’ call to do something…in her spirit, with her spirit.

How many times do we have to hear this?  How many times do we have to read here that one of our heroes has died, or that some beligerent driver in Florida has mowed down six of us, or read a letter from someone like Larry who has just lost his wife and the mother of his children. It seems to me that with some pretty basic technology we have readily available to us – perhaps a listserver, an occasional post here and/or in the cycling newsgroups, maybe a little help from some of the websites or cycling advocacy groups – we could overwhelm the proper officials with our concerns; nothing beligerent or threatening, just a tangible reminder that huge numbers of active members of the community are watching. With minimal effort on the part of individuals — probably little more than cutting and pasting from email to word processor software, printing and signing — we could make a huge impact. The State’s Attorney for Montgomery County — and I have no evidence to suggest that he is doing anything less than a fine job — is an elected position, and while he is only directly accountable to the people of his county, the knowledge that the world is watching can be an incredible motivator to do the right thing. If there’s room for discretion, I’d sure like for him to have heard my thoughts. Perhaps eventually some sort of group could be started — something like CASTE – Coalition of Athletes for Safe Training Environments– to advocate for the victims much the way MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) does.  Again, with some fairly simple online distribution this wouldn’t take much, but think of the difference we could make. Imagine what goes through the mind of a parole officer when he’s got a convicted drunk driver’s file in one hand, and a file full of letters from MADD mothers in the other. Below is a letter I sent off today.  If you feel the same way, feel free to use any or all of it or to modify it in anway you deem appropriate. April 4, 1997 Mr. Robert L. Dean State’s Attorney for Montgomery County 50 Maryland Avenue, 5th Floor Rockville, Maryland 20850 Dear Mr. Dean: I was shocked and saddened to learn of the details surrounding the death of triathlete Judith Marie Flannery.  As an avid cyclist and triathlete myself, I have become convinced that I will never be truly safe until those responsible for tragedies such as this are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Because I do not know all of the details surrounding this case, I will not presume to inform you of what I think would be the appropriate action for you to take, but as a member of a large and vocal international community I will watch with great interest the outcome of this case. I am tired of the slaughter of my fellow athletes by motorists who often go on to face nothing more serious than a conviction for a minor traffic violation.  I am very hopeful, Mr. Dean, that you will do your part to put an end to these senseless deaths. Sincerely,

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I’m sadden to hear that a another triathlete and person has passed away so suddenly.  I’ve never met Judy, but she sounds like she was a great person.  My condolences to her family and friends. Y’all be careful out there…ya hear. Dave Chen Captain Arizona State University Triathlon Team www.asu.edu/studentprgms/org/sd_triath

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This morning on a training ride, Judy Flannery was hit by an automobile and killed.  Those of us who were blessed to know Judy are in shock.  She was truly one of the finest human beings God placed on this earth.  The incident was reported on this evening’s news in Washington, D.C.  I will report what the Washington Post reports tomorrow. Andy Weissel

Two lives of masters triathlete Flannery For eight years, thousands of people passing through a Washington soup kitchen knew Judy Flannery as the volunteer posted by the trash can on Tuesdays, ready to wipe their plates. They didn’t know about her Wednesdays. Every Wednesday, she and a group of cycling enthusiasts trained together on a 55-mile route winding through the rural and suburban countryside of Maryland. And they didn’t know about her weekends when she won four world triathlon titles, six U.S. triathlon championships and was crowned Women’s Masters Triathlete of the Year. Fellow volunteer Denise Tilrico said that they would chat — but about her children, not her exploits. Flannery had four daughters and a son, ages 22 to 31. On Wednesday, a car driven by an unlicensed 16-year-old boy, his father sitting in the passenger seat, struck and killed the 57-year-old Flannery during her morning training ride. "It was just in front of us, there was no time," said Cary Bland, who was cycling with Flannery. "We didn’t know whether to go to the right or the left. … The last thing I remember is seeing the car directly in front of us, thinking there’s no possible way we can avoid getting hit by this car." At the wheel of the white Hyundai Excel was Timothy Rinehart, a high school junior. Beside him was his father, Ronald Rinehart, and in the back seat an unidentified teen-ager. Police said the father had been drinking. Beyond that, authorities withheld comment. Flannery’s husband, Dennis, said his wife started her athletic career after living the "normal, suburban life." Running led to her participation in the Marine Corps Marathon, an amateurs’ race in Washington, where she "got a big rush," he said. Her natural talents and self-determination carried her from there. Last year, Flannery won her fourth world championship when she completed the triathlon’s 1.5-kilometer swim, 40-kilometer bike ride and 10-kilometer run. She did them all in 2 hours, 30 minutes, 46 seconds. "Judy was a talent," said Celeste Callahan of Denver, who met Flannery 10 years ago when Flannery lost her bicycle on the plane ride to a competition. The two forged a friendship and roomed together at competitions ever since. In addition to competing, Flannery served as social director for her fellow athletes. She made the hotel reservations, arranged dinners and organized reunions. "She’s the glue that held together so many people in so many facets," said Rita Simpson, another competitor. "JuJu" was her nickname for Flannery. Winning never fazed Flannery. "She wouldn’t tell you whether she won or lost when she came home from a world championship," her husband said. "For her it was the process rather than the competition." Last weekend in Birmingham, Ala., Flannery was defeated by a faster 55-year-old woman. Friends said the winner told Flannery she was stunned to beat her "hero." But later at the awards ceremony, Flannery came in for about 10 minutes of praise — and embarrassment. She said so much attention when she wasn’t even the winner made her feel "terrible," Bland said. Flannery’s next competition was to be July’s Ride Across America, a multi-day team relay from Irvine, Calif., to Savannah, Ga. Fellow team members say they’re determined to see the race completed. "Judy said she was committed to this race," said Simpson. "I hope we go for JuJu." Mark Tri-Man Linenberg                                                                            o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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Enclosed is the story as reported in the Washington Post.  As you can tell, she was a very special person who touched everyone around her.  I knew her only vaguely, but can attest to the size of her presence.   Her death has really upset me.  God bless her, she will be missed. Steve Irish World-Class Triathlete Killed in Md. Car Driven by Teen Hits Judith Flannery as She Trains on Bike By Brian Mooar and Avis Thomas-Lester Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, April 3 1997; Page A01 The Washington Post Judith Marie Flannery, a world-class triathlete, was killed yesterday while bicycling in upper Montgomery County when a car driven by an unlicensed 16-year-old swerved across a center line and hit her, police said. Flannery, a Chevy Chase resident and 57-year-old mother of five, took up running at age 38 and added competitive bicycling and swimming a decade ago when her oldest child was 21. She went on to win six U.S. and four world triathlon championships and last month became the oldest woman ever to be named Master Female Triathlete of the Year. A triathlon is an endurance race consisting of consecutive legs of swimming, bicycling and running. Yesterday, Flannery was riding with two close friends — Carl Bland and Joyce Gearhart — in a weekly workout ritual that began 10 years ago as training for the grueling Ironman Triathlon in Hawaii. They were on a hilly stretch of River Road in the Seneca area, almost 22 miles into a 55-mile ride. "It was almost like a magnet that was there attracting this car to us," Bland said last night. "The last thing I remember was seeing this car 15 feet in front of us and thinking there is no way to get out of the way of this car. It’s going to run us all down." County police investigators said the accident occurred about 11 a.m. on River Road near Montevideo Road. An eastbound Hyundai Excel driven by a Rockville teenager crossed the double yellow line, police said, missing the two other cyclists and hitting Flannery. The teenager had neither a driver’s license nor a learner’s permit, police said. They said that his father was in the passenger seat at the time of the accident and that another teenager was in the back seat. Bland said he and Gearhart "managed to move sufficiently out of the way. It was almost as if the car was threading a needle and went right though a hole, and Judy was in the middle, and it hit her." Flannery was pronounced dead at the scene. Two law enforcement sources said investigators believed alcohol was a factor in the accident, but they declined to elaborate. Cpl. George Ludington, a Montgomery police spokesman, said, "We’re going to meet with the state’s attorney’s office tomorrow to discuss the incident and all the facts." Friends gathered at Bland’s home in Bethesda last night and shared stories and memories of Flannery’s life as an athlete, mother and friend. "We are trying to make this a celebration of a life rather than a terrible, terrible emotional immersion in death," said Flannery’s husband, Dennis. "She was too lively and too lovely a person to do that. Every single person that I have talked to tonight — and there have been so many from so many different places — have said what an exuberant and inspiring person she was." One of Flannery’s closest friends, Mary Ann Zuckerman, 50, of Lanham, said she was watching the afternoon television news when she saw the athlete’s custom yellow-and-purple Serotta titanium bicycle lying crumpled on the pavement. "I knew it was Judy," said Zuckerman, who frequently rode with Flannery and competed with her in all three of her Ironman Triathlons. "No one else had a bike like that. I couldn’t believe it. She was my best friend. I just e-mailed her this morning. She’s the most incredible woman in the world. . . . The entire triathlon community will be devastated by this." Flannery’s fourth world triathlon championship, in the women’s 55-to-59 age group, came in September in Italy when she completed the 1.5-kilometer swim, 40-kilometer bike ride and 10-kilometer run in 2 hours 30 minutes 46 seconds. She ran her last triathlon last weekend in Birmingham, with a second-place win. In interviews with The Washington Post, Flannery had said that the most athletic endeavor during the first 20 years of her marriage was shuttling her five children between school and soccer practice. "I was probably 38 years old and missing just hitting a tennis ball," Flannery said, "so I decided to run around the block." She retired five years ago from her job as a biochemist at the National Institutes of Health and threw herself into volunteer work and athletic competition. Flannery and Zuckerman met in 1985 at the first Baltimore Triathlon. "It was her first race, and she had a lock on her bike, and she just didn’t have a clue," Zuckerman recalled. "We laughed and talked and got to be friends. At that time, there were only one or two older women competing in triathlons in the 40-and-over category. Now, there might be 50. "The sport has really grown, and Judy had a lot to do with that," Zuckerman said. "She set an example for other older women that you can get out there and do it, and it doesn’t matter how old you are. She was an inspiration." Flannery became a celebrity on the triathlon circuit and was emulated by younger riders, who often interrupted her as she was preparing for races to meet her and talk to her, Zuckerman said. Flannery would make time to talk with the younger and older women riders who were her fans. "This woman [was] so well known and so well thought of," Zuckerman said. "She was so high-profile because she was older and she was winning all the time. There is no one like her." Although she was considered a star, Flannery remained modest about her accomplishments, Zuckerman said. "She’d never tell you when she won a race," she said. ". . . It didn’t matter to her that she won. It was about doing her best." Bland broke down last night when asked to describe the loss of his friend. "It’s just a slap in the face," he said. "There’s no meaning to this. There’s no explanation. . . . "Her spirit is greater than anything, and she will shine on," Bland said. "Rarely are great people appreciated, until they aren’t with us anymore." Special correspondent Will Kuhns contributed to this report. @CAPTION: Judith Flannery, 57, won six U.S. and four world triathlon titles. @CAPTION: Judith Marie Flannery, shown jogging in her neighborhood last fall with her dogs, took up running at age 38 and later added competitive bicycling and swimming.

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: If anyone knows of any NYC triathlon clubs please send me email : : Thanks : Julia Stone Hey Julia, Come on over the Coles and check out the bulletin board on the second floor outside the pool office.  NYU has a huge TriClub that travels to races, holds scheduled workouts, parties, and even gets some reembursement from the University.  The coach is Scott Willett and his number is (212) 998-2063.

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If anyone knows of any NYC triathlon clubs please send me email Thanks Julia Stone

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Couple of sources-check out the link to the The CA Schedule on the Links file under running. Call DSE, they have good, informal runs on weekends. Look under clubs. Lots of clubs listed there,point to one that is near to where you will be. Further down the links page is some good SF ones, too.  Have a good trip! Regards, Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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My wife and I will be in the SF area during the 2nd and 3rd. week of September 96.  Anyone have any knowledge of a 5k race during that time period would be greatly appreciated.

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(Deborah Jamison) writes: Thanks Deb for the plug for UltraCoach!! UltraCoach will run on Mac via Power PC or with the hardware addition As to other training software in Mac–all the others are log and diaries and you have to fend for yourself otherwise…..

Dear Ken, I guess you are mistaken about all other Mac software, PC Coach offers both a logbook AND training plans – written by professional runners and their coaches – it IS AVAILABLE for both MAC and Windows – Mac users need to have at least Mac OS 6.0.7 or better. Call 1-800-52-COACH for demo/info. PC Coach will have an ftp site up later this week – we’re testing it to make sure it works before we announce..

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(Deborah Jamison) writes: I want to second the request for a Mac version. Al Wagener For Mac software, be sure to check

alumni.caltech.edu/pub/slp/tadmac.sit – The Athlete’s Diary (also available for Windows and DOS). Deborah Jamison Stevens Creek Software

Thanks Deb for the plug for UltraCoach!! UltraCoach will run on Mac via Power PC or with the hardware addition being a 486 new version expansion card.  We have thought of writing a version for Mac but the platforms are merging and it seems like time is better spent enhancing the present program and translating it into several languages including Japanese, German, Spanish and French. Spanish is nearly done including manual, etc. This is not respecting of the Mac user, I know. Please understand that the confusion of the hardware trends creates a dilemna.  As to other training software in Mac–all the others are log and diaries and you have to fend for yourself otherwise.  So please do not be confused by TADs aspirations, they deliver a satisfactory diary, but nothing interactive and training oriented. Please refer to the review in Triathlete Mag for details. Thank you, Ken

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I want to second the request for a Mac version. Al Wagener

For Mac software, be sure to check alumni.caltech.edu/pub/slp/tadmac.sit – The Athlete’s Diary (also available for Windows and DOS). Deborah Jamison Stevens Creek Software

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Are there any marathons in the Chicago area (4-5 hrs radius) during the first to middle parts of June 95?

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: Are there any marathons in the Chicago area (4-5 hrs radius) during the : first to middle parts of June 95? Isn’t there usually a marathon in South Bend, Indiana at about that time? Has anyone run it?  I seem to recall it ends up in the Notre Dame football stadium.

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: Isn’t there usually a marathon in South Bend, Indiana at about that time? : Has anyone run it?  I seem to recall it ends up in the Notre Dame : football stadium. I found out it’s been cancelled.  They are still running a 10k and 5k and Fun Walk this year.  But, unlike prior years, no marathon and no triathlon. Saturday, June 10.  For info, 219-674-0900 then press 6262

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In regard to the lawlessness that us poor Southerners live with – I do not lock the doors to my home even when I am on vacation.  

Oh boy, I shoulda figured my prose would turn into flame bait. I originally meant that *some* rural Southern counties have reputations of being especially hostile to anyone perceived as being an *outsider* or different. I’ve heard of a few, and forgot em. Oh well, I guess I get the flames I deserve!

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North might do it, too.  A few weeks ago, I had three flats in a single ride.  Three people stopped to offer help. This isn’t the only time drivers have stopped to help.  It really makes up for some of the jerks who also inhabit the roads.

The day I rode around Clear Lake with my club it was blistering hot. Most of the members stopped when the temp went past 95. Most also had people stop and sag them in! The dumb SAG drivers were lost. Today I got a flat on the Old Redwood Highway near Healdsburg. Cars by the hundreds came by at rediculous speeds (200 feet away is a freeway with plenty of room to speed), none stopped to give me a lift. Nowhere to buy tubes until 11:00. I finally found a Coast-to-Coast that had a (chuckle) patch kit. Patched all my tubes with patches almost as thick as the tire. Got back. This time the drivers were driving reasonable. Must be something about the time of day and the closeness of large cities.

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In regard to the lawlessness that us poor Southerners live with – I do not lock the doors to my home even when I am on vacation.  I always leave the keys to my car in the ignition (so that they are easy to find).  I sometimes forget and leave my $2000.00 bicycle in my front yard in clear view of the street overnight.  My travels

Ummm…Could you give me a street address on that there front yard of yours.  I’ve always wanted me a $2000 bicycle. Heh.

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: <..lots of stuff about assholes deleted.. : broken down on my bike far from home, I have never tried to flag : anyone down but also have never waited more than a few minutes before : a perfect stranger has come along and helped – usually by taking my : bike and me straight home (once, over 50 miles).  All such samaritans : have refused my offer to pay. : Wow!!  I might move to the south after all.  I got caught without <snip North might do it, too.  A few weeks ago, I had three flats in a single ride.  Three people stopped to offer help.  The second one (who stopped after the second flat) waited for several minutes until I was sure the patch would hold.  The third flat blew out the sidewall of my tire.  As I was walking along dejectedly looking for a phone, the third motorist stopped and took me and my bike to the bike shop.  I’m certain it was out of his way, but you wouldn’t have known it from his cheerful conversation.  This isn’t the only time drivers have stopped to help.  It really makes up for some of the jerks who also inhabit the roads. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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: A friend of mine (and bike shop owner) went mtn biking with his family : (wife and 2 daughters) in the boonies of northern Fl.  After a short : while, a pick-up came by also on the trail and started shooting a shot-gun : over the bikers head.  My friend carried a small .22 pistol for : emergencies and happened to bring it along in case they ran into *any wild : animals*.  To make a long story short- fearing for his families safety, : Dave rode ahead, hid behind a tree and shot out the 4-wheelers front : tires, and his family made a break for it. : As incredible as it might sound, this story was true– at least according : to Dave. : P.S.  I would hate to be the next set of bikers this guy ran accross– : Easy Rider all over again. I hope your friend called the cops.  Getting hassled by the cops would probably keep this creep from attacking another biker.  At the very least, the report of this incident could be used against him if he did attack another biker. The police can’t protect us unless we help them. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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: (Of course, the worst place : to ride is probably in the rural south where Hey is this the beach between LA and San Diego? : the relative lawlessness can make civilized : Americans jaws drop, but we’re not talking : maximums here.) : As a former resident of both Tallahassee and Montgomery, AL I have found most motorists to be extremely courteous of cyclists (save the logging trucks).  It’s when you hit the trails you have to be really careful (lead-in to another story off the subject) A friend of mine (and bike shop owner) went mtn biking with his family (wife and 2 daughters) in the boonies of northern Fl.  After a short while, a pick-up came by also on the trail and started shooting a shot-gun over the bikers head.  My friend carried a small .22 pistol for emergencies and happened to bring it along in case they ran into *any wild animals*.  To make a long story short- fearing for his families safety, Dave rode ahead, hid behind a tree and shot out the 4-wheelers front tires, and his family made a break for it. As incredible as it might sound, this story was true– at least according to Dave. P.S.  I would hate to be the next set of bikers this guy ran accross– Easy Rider all over again. Pat    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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I thought your post was well said and I cross-posted it to rec.sport.triathlon where there is a similar thread. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sometimes I see posts which comment about how childish Cat 2’s or whatever can be, about how they seem to have chips on their shoulders, etc. This is interesting. I’ve seen it, too, but don’t think it’s limited to upper level racers. Perhaps what happens is that some cyclists are leading what amounts to extremely self-indulgent lives, even though the indulgence involves heaping lots of suffering onto themselves. It’s unnecessary suffering, however. Cyclists get a feeling of importance thru doing something really hard. Not much is harder than cycling. So they feel really important. I know I did. (I tried to also have proper humility, too, but it was tuff!) So do you see how doing ‘hard’ things can be indulgent? It took me awhile to see it. Anyway, this sometimes also seems related to why motorists treat cyclists badly. Not that it really makes sense, but it seems related. Bike racers while training aren’t using roads for transporation, but for fun and ‘ultra’ fitness. So motorists don’t think of us as being equivalent to slow moving farm machinery, which they hardly ever swear at homicidally. Somehow motorists might sense the indulgence. Here’s a cyclist, spending a lot of money on fancy gear working out on his/her beautiful body and holding me up! Fit for what? For superhuman cycling, that’s about all. So here they are, all obsessed and addicted on cycling and holding me up! Kind of a public preening combined with road hazard. Doesn’t make drivers feel generous. I also think that cyclists get a chip because they feel unappreciated in their ‘careers.’ Why aren’t cyclists’ careers appreciated by the public? Pop athletes sacrifice for the team, cyclists for themselves. Maybe this doesn’t elicit sympathy. Also, most of these ‘careers’ aren’t…they’re just periods of hyper-energetic slacking (!). Of course, popular pro athletes are no different. I’ve heard (from a ball team PR hack) that baseball stars are like little children, hot to trot baby boys. But no one minds coz they’re doing it for the team, or something. Or maybe no one sees this side, just the orderly top performance. Where bikers out on long midday rides in fancy gear are pretty obvious. People also tend to think bike racers are rich kids –educated and somehow feeling ’superior’ in a pointless classist ‘fitness’ way–who are killing time until they have to grow up. Maybe this is somehow related, too, to why even in Boulder, CO, motorists seem to treat bikers quite badly. Indulgence is everywhere in that town, everyone does it, including the Saab drivers, but when you’re stuck behind a racer-type cyclist, maybe you see a chance to vent spleen at the glam indulgence crowd. (Of course, the worst place to ride is probably in the rural south where the relative lawlessness can make civilized Americans jaws drop, but we’re not talking maximums here.) Just ruminatin’….

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<..lots of stuff about assholes deleted.. broken down on my bike far from home, I have never tried to flag anyone down but also have never waited more than a few minutes before a perfect stranger has come along and helped – usually by taking my bike and me straight home (once, over 50 miles).  All such samaritans have refused my offer to pay.

Wow!!  I might move to the south after all.  I got caught without a tube about 3 miles from any payphones the other night and had to walk in cleats along a busy road to get there.  It was frustrating watching as people with pickup trucks and bikeracks just stared as they passed quickly by. While not bike related, of the two times I got stranded in a broken down car, the only time someone stopped to help was in Fla.

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