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Please ignore previous URL, sorry. Even Infrequent Jogging Increases Bone Mineral Density in Men WESTPORT, CT (Reuters Health) Jun 28 – Men who jog as little as one to eight times a month have significantly higher bone mineral density (BMD) than men who do not jog, according to data from NHANES III, a nationally representative US survey. Dr. Anne C. Looker from the National Center for Health Statistics, Hyattsville, Maryland, and colleagues collected data on total femoral BMD in 4254 men, 20 to 59 years of age, who had completed questions about exercise. The investigators found that 23.3% of the men in the cohort reported having jogged within the past month. Mean BMD was 5.0% higher among joggers than all nonjoggers and 7.7% higher among joggers compared with sedentary nonjoggers, the team reports in the July issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Men who jogged one to eight times a month had higher BMD compared with men who did not jog at all, and those who jogged nine times or more a month had significantly higher BMD compared with men who jogged less than nine times per month. "Our data suggest that even a modest frequency of jogging is associated with higher femoral BMD and thus may provide some protection against osteoporosis and fracture," Dr. Looker and colleagues conclude. Am J Public Health 2001;91:1056-1059.

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Interesting article but there were studies 25 years ago that showed the same thing. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Please ignore previous URL, sorry. Even Infrequent Jogging Increases Bone Mineral Density in Men WESTPORT, CT (Reuters Health) Jun 28 – Men who jog as little as one to eight times a month have significantly higher bone mineral density (BMD) than men who do not jog, according to data from NHANES III, a nationally representative US survey. Dr. Anne C. Looker from the National Center for Health Statistics, Hyattsville, Maryland, and colleagues collected data on total femoral BMD in 4254 men, 20 to 59 years of age, who had completed questions about exercise. The investigators found that 23.3% of the men in the cohort reported having jogged within the past month. Mean BMD was 5.0% higher among joggers than all nonjoggers and 7.7% higher among joggers compared with sedentary nonjoggers, the team reports in the July issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Men who jogged one to eight times a month had higher BMD compared with men who did not jog at all, and those who jogged nine times or more a month had significantly higher BMD compared with men who jogged less than nine times per month. "Our data suggest that even a modest frequency of jogging is associated with higher femoral BMD and thus may provide some protection against osteoporosis and fracture," Dr. Looker and colleagues conclude. Am J Public Health 2001;91:1056-1059.

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For those you in the Midwest: After a absence of six years, the Little Apple Triathlon is making a return on April 11th of 2000. Located near Manhattan, Kansas at Tuttle Creek Spillway Park – the Little Apple is a sprint race of !/3 mi. swim, 10 mi. bike and 3 mi. run. This years race will be run in conjunction with the Tuttle Creek Lake Days Festival. The Triathlon is followed by lots of food and drink, displays by local retailers, craft booths, a sailing regatta, professional jetski competitions, live music and fireworks as the sun sets. Entry Fees:  (add $5 for 1-day license, if not USA Triathlon Member) $35 individual, $42 relay team  (No Race-Day Entries!) Online Entries at: activeusa.com For more info contact: Gary Green Race Director (785) 539-2608

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those you in the Midwest: After a absence of six years, the Little Apple Triathlon is making a return on April 11th of 2000. Located near Manhattan, Kansas at Tuttle Creek Spillway Park – the Little Apple is a sprint race of !/3 mi. swim, 10 mi. bike and 3 mi. run. This years race will be run in conjunction with the Tuttle Creek Lake Days Festival. The Triathlon is followed by lots of food and drink, displays by local retailers, craft booths, a sailing regatta, professional jetski competitions, live music and fireworks as the sun sets. Entry Fees:  (add $5 for 1-day license, if not USA Triathlon Member) $35 individual, $42 relay team  (No Race-Day Entries!) Online Entries at: activeusa.com For more info contact: Gary Green Race Director (785) 539-2608

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Yikes! You just gave the poor guy 6/10ths extra to run! 10k=6.2miles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10K is about 6.8 miles. How many laps? is it a 1/4 mile track?  27.2 laps if it is 1/8 mile then  54.4 laps How many miles does a 10K equal. Also, how many times around a standard high school track equals a 10K Thanks in Advance, -Frank

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Actually 10K is 6.21 miles and if the track is metric it is 25 laps.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10K is about 6.8 miles. How many laps? is it a 1/4 mile track?  27.2 laps if it is 1/8 mile then  54.4 laps How many miles does a 10K equal. Also, how many times around a standard high school track equals a 10K Thanks in Advance, -Frank

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Dear Frank, "How many miles does a 10K equal." 10k = 6.214 Miles, "Also, how many times around a standard high school track equals a 10K" I’m not sure what a standard High school track is any more, but if it’s a 1/4 mile track then 10k would be 24.856 laps, If it’s a 400 meter track 10 k would be 25 laps hope this helps, Steve "The Triathalator" Adams Looking for a triathlon? http://www.triathalator.com

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I think, this is a LAP-SUS ! trInIc

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10K is about 6.8 miles. How many laps? is it a 1/4 mile track?  27.2 laps if it is 1/8 mile then  54.4 laps How many miles does a 10K equal. Also, how many times around a standard high school track equals a 10K Thanks in Advance, -Frank

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How many miles does a 10K equal. Also, how many times around a standard high school track equals a 10K Thanks in Advance, -Frank

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10K is about 6.8 miles. How many laps? is it a 1/4 mile track?  27.2 laps if it is 1/8 mile then  54.4 laps

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Hi everyone, I sent a note to AT&T to let them know about these messages. Here’s what I got back. Thought you might want to know. Say… we haven’t been getting any more of these messages. Think they’re gone for good? Vanessa "dreaming of a spam-free Christmas" Smith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’ve been getting these messages in rec.sport.triathlon… about a half dozen a day for several days. We don’t want them, especially not dozens of them. Would you please get this clown to cut it out? Thanks. Vanessa <infamous enlargement spam snipped Thank you for contacting the AT&T WorldNet Service Abuse Department.   The Abuse Desk has investigated the abuse that you reported and will be taking the appropriate action.  Please continue to let us know when such instances occur.  If you have any other questions or concerns, please e-mail us at: Thank you. Regards, AT&T WorldNet Service Abuse Group

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Cool!  Thank you very much for trying to get something done about that, it was getting very old. Rus

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Anyone willing to share their training program.   I am a 53 year old recreational triathlete who would love to do an Ironman.  Over the past 6 years I have done 13 marathons and 12 triathlons including two 1/2 ironmans.  I am a really slow swimmer and average biker and runner.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Fred www.auracom.com/~fglays

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Fred, You’ll find a wealth of training information located within the Great Floridian Triathlon Discussion Forum.  Visit www. greatfloridian.com for more information. Train safe! Fred Sommer

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Fred, This is the best free deal in the world.  They have a free ultra (IM) program that will take you through the year. http://members.spree.com/supercoach Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone willing to share their training program.   I am a 53 year old recreational triathlete who would love to do an Ironman.  Over the past 6 years I have done 13 marathons and 12 triathlons including two 1/2 ironmans.  I am a really slow swimmer and average biker and runner.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Fred www.auracom.com/~fglays

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I NEED HELP! I just got a new tri bike and have a question on seat position. On my old road bike I had the standard setup of the boney part on my knee directly over the spindle of the pedals. On the tri bike with the steeper steat tube it seems to throw this boney part more to the front of the spindle. Most of my training is geared towards 1/2 to full Ironman distances. Any comments on wear I shoould try to position my knees to make it the easiest on them? Thanks for the help, Mike

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A forward position tri bike follows different rules. But the knee-over-the-pedal-spindle theory is a coincidence of other fitting process, at least in my opinion. My ratio of femur to tibia is 1.14, which is about 3% higher than the average man. Supposedly, this allows me to put my saddle farther back at least when following road-bike rules. Even when I do, my knees are a little in front of the pedal spindle. Most people my size complain about have far back I’ve placed my saddle when they ride my bike. On my triathlon bike (which uses the forward position), my knees are substantially forward of the pedals. But the relationship between my feet, butt, and hands is the same as on my road bikes, only tilted forward about the crank spindle by 5 degrees. For an excellent and detailed article on the myths of the knee-over-the-pedal-spindle rule, and on fitment in general, look at Rivendell’s web page: http://www.veloworks.com/rivendell/kops.html Note that the article complains about steep seat tubes only because of the resulting weight on the arms. If the rider is resting in the aerobars, this is not a problems. The steep arrangement was designed for riders using their aerobars. I NEED HELP! I just got a new tri bike and have a question on seat position. On my old road bike I had the standard setup of the boney part on my knee directly over the spindle of the pedals. On the tri bike with the steeper steat tube it seems to throw this boney part more to the front of the spindle. Most of my training is geared towards 1/2 to full Ironman distances. Any comments on wear I shoould try to position my knees to make it the easiest on them? Thanks for the help, Mike

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For those of you who are wondering how many years down the road it will be before we finally get current on our product pages, all the wetsuit pages, triathlon bike pages, and parts packages pages are finished. This includes prices, gifs of the bikes, so on and so forth.   I felt I needed to do this soon, as all the Special Editions and Kilos, and parts packages, get sent out to our dealers this week and next. If you’ve been to our website at all recently, realize that you’ll have to reload the pages, depending on which version of Netscape you’re using (my 2.0 beta 4, or whatever it is, caches everything, and I have to constantly reload or I miss new pages).  You still might have trouble, it seems to me Netscape 2.0 is bug city.  So "reload" if you think you’re not getting the current page. OBTW, one of my retailers said that somewhere on this newsgroup someone had written that the new Kilo was considerably heavier than the more expensive Kilo Private Reserve.  I didn’t read that myself, but in case I or anyone else wrote something like that, I weighed them today, and the Kilo is 2 ounces heavier than the Kilo PR, so they are awfully close in weight.  I think the difference is in the seat tube, the Kilo has a slightly thicker seat tube to support its front derailleur braze-on (the Kilo PR has a braze-on which goes on more laboriously, but allows us to use a slightly lighter tube). Wow, I think that’s it.  Oh yeah, the Hutchinson 23mm 26" clincher tires are in stock, so your dealer has no excuse for not having them. http://www.webcom.com/rooworld/index.html One more thing.  You used to need a ~ before the rooworld.  Now you don’t.  And, having the ~ can sometimes screw up your viewing of our website, i.e., you get the source document coming up instead of the page the way its supposed to be viewed.  So I’d be obliged if you’d change your bookmark. QRman

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Hi!  My name is Janet Gates and I work at WVU in Morgantown, WV.  I am very interested in the Special Edition QR.  I hade my locat bike shop call the main factory and the person said that they were sold out, could go on a waiting list but gave no estimate of time it would take, and was very "smart" with the bike shop as far as answering questions about the bike.  Could you please help me locate a QR special edition.  I have tried calling different dealers that are advertised in all the magazines, but no has been able to help.  I really wanted to go to a QR bike, I really like your products.  I have used a QR weatsuit for years and love it.  I really appreciate all your help. Thanks,                 Janet – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -For those of you who are wondering how many years down the road it will be before we finally get current on our product pages, all the wetsuit pages, triathlon bike pages, and parts packages pages are finished. This includes prices, gifs of the bikes, so on and so forth.   I felt I needed to do this soon, as all the Special Editions and Kilos, and parts packages, get sent out to our dealers this week and next. If you’ve been to our website at all recently, realize that you’ll have to reload the pages, depending on which version of Netscape you’re using (my 2.0 beta 4, or whatever it is, caches everything, and I have to constantly reload or I miss new pages).  You still might have trouble, it seems to me Netscape 2.0 is bug city.  So "reload" if you think you’re not getting the current page. OBTW, one of my retailers said that somewhere on this newsgroup someone had written that the new Kilo was considerably heavier than the more expensive Kilo Private Reserve.  I didn’t read that myself, but in case I or anyone else wrote something like that, I weighed them today, and the Kilo is 2 ounces heavier than the Kilo PR, so they are awfully close in weight.  I think the difference is in the seat tube, the Kilo has a slightly thicker seat tube to support its front derailleur braze-on (the Kilo PR has a braze-on which goes on more laboriously, but allows us to use a slightly lighter tube). Wow, I think that’s it.  Oh yeah, the Hutchinson 23mm 26" clincher tires are in stock, so your dealer has no excuse for not having them. http://www.webcom.com/rooworld/index.html One more thing.  You used to need a ~ before the rooworld.  Now you don’t.  And, having the ~ can sometimes screw up your viewing of our website, i.e., you get the source document coming up instead of the page the way its supposed to be viewed.  So I’d be obliged if you’d change your bookmark. QRman

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Hi Janet! We have a large assortment of frames sizes in the new Special Edition that have just come into stock.  We would love to talk to you if you will call us at 800 FLY BIKE. Our prices are probably the best out there right now. We have the parts to build you a QR SE complete from $1195 up to whatever you’ d like to spend. Call us soon as there are’t many shops that have these SEs and they are going fast. Ask for Bill (the owner) or Rich and tell them you put up a post on the newsgroup! Val (aka QRTOO)

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writes: Is an extended rest period likely to cure the problem? Can I do any specific exercise and/or stretch to help the condition? Is continued training while the problem persists risky?

My off-the-cuff medical opinions are (respectively): Yes, but it means little or no athletics No, not to get well faster, but maybe to feel better No, not for death, but possibly for continuing pain, conceivably for neurologic injury (sciatica) As for the second question, try reclining on two small rolled towels – one under the ischium (butt-bone you sit on) on one side, and one under the opposite iliac wing (the upper brim of the pelvic bone above the buttocks).  If this hurts or doesn’t help in 5-10 minutes, switch sides. Good luck. Byron Walthall, MD

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I must also beg off long-distance diagnosis.  However, low back disorders are often treated best by chiropracters. (WOW, an M.D. said that?).  Their techniques may not only improve pain temporarily, but may actually speed improvement. Byron Walthall (MD)

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 I must also beg off long-distance diagnosis.  However, low back disorders  are often treated best by chiropracters.

Say, "Doc", you wouldn’t happen to have a reference for that, now would you?  And unless you count the Mangia report pap as "scientific research" you’ll probably find that what the research says is that lower spine manipulation used by chiropractors (which is practiced by other health care practitioners such as physical therapists) may be effective in treating lower back (lumbar) conditions.  Most people that do manipulation whether physio or chiropractor have manual skills far in excess of those that are possessed by GPs.  (WOW, an M.D. said that?).  Their  techniques may not only improve pain  

 temporarily, but may actually speed  improvement.

Just to set the record straight, I don’t believe that the old guy who whipped  up the school of chiropratic (wasn’t he a green grocer/fishmonger by vocation???) in the 1800’s had been the first to do manipulation nor do chiropractors today have exclusive licence for that. Tom    Tom Ruta, ISP                     "Nunc hoc in marmore    Manager, Information Services       non est incision"    Tarragon Oil and Gas Limited    FAX:   (403)262-5324      WWW — http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~rutat/togl.html

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Ever since an olympis distance triathlon in Philadelphia in 1994, the ligaments that connect my backbone to my pelvis; i.e., lumbar, leo-lumbar and sacrolilliac sets, have been causing me pain. It comes and goes with varying severity, but is always present and appears subject to aggravation.I’ve read in TRIATHLETE and in sports medicine books that such injury is not uncommon for triathletes.         I have some basis questions:                 *Is an extended rest period likely to cure the problem?                 *Can I do any specific exercise and/or stretch to help the condition?                 *Is continued training while the problem persists risky?         Any help is appreciated. Even acknowledging a similar problem from triathlon training, along with your ideas, would help!                                         Sincerely,                                         Paul Kramer                                         Stroudsburg, PA 18360

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ever since an olympis distance triathlon in Philadelphia in 1994, the ligaments that connect my backbone to my pelvis; i.e., lumbar, leo-lumbar and sacrolilliac sets, have been causing me pain. It comes and goes with varying severity, but is always present and appears subject to aggravation.I’ve read in TRIATHLETE and in sports medicine books that such injury is not uncommon for triathletes.         I have some basis questions:                 *Is an extended rest period likely to cure the problem?                 *Can I do any specific exercise and/or stretch to help the condition?                 *Is continued training while the problem persists risky?         Any help is appreciated. Even acknowledging a similar problem from triathlon training, along with your ideas, would help!                                         Sincerely,                                         Paul Kramer                                         Stroudsburg, PA 18360

Paul, It is difficult to analyse your problem without seeing you but here are a few ideas: Usually, but not always, this area is injured by posterior torsion stresses i.e. the force you would get if you hold your knee and pull it to your chest.  This happens when your bike with the chest way down and the knee comes up at the top of the stroke.  IF this were the case it sometimes helps to do stretches which reverse that torsion like: lie on your back on a high, flat surface (strong table) with the effected side leg over the edge of the table..your butt should be almost half off the table too but you can angle so that both shoulders are on the table. Grap your other kne and pull it to your chest while lowering your other leg (with knee bent) over the table.  You can make the stretch more intense by having someone apply pressure to the knee over the edge and you pull your knee up into their hand isometrically (GO EASY PLEASE) There are other things to try: physical theray for ultrasound ice an SI belt to stabilize the area modify your bike technique SI problems are often straight forward but sometimes obscure..a skilled physical therapist can sort it out if you have continued trouble…if its been since ‘94 I’d say its time to get it checked out. Best wishes, Dean Farwood, P.T. physical therapist

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I’ve been lurking here for a bit, and there’s one issue I haven’t seen addressed here in regards to triathlons…relieving one’s self. In the August issue of Triathlete mag, the fellow that wrote the article on his Powerman Zofingen race talked about peeing during a downhill on the bike.  I did my first tri(a very mini race) a couple of weeks ago, and had to pee when I started the run.  The run was only three miles, but by the time I reached the turnaround I really had to go.  I went off the road and into some trees and did my business. My question is this: is that my only option?  Do racers in, say, Olympic- distance(or longer) tris just wet themselves?  This must really sound like a dumb question, but hey. On the bright side, it was 90 degrees the day of my race, so I was glad to see that I was so well hydrated that I still had to pee after the swim and bike.

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My question is this: is that my only option?  Do racers in, say, Olympic- distance(or longer) tris just wet themselves?  This must really sound like a dumb question, but hey.

At the world marathon championships in Japan about  3 or 4 years a ago Steve Spence was so well  hydrated on a day of very high temp and humidity that he peed 3 times during the race.  No, he didn’t stop .  He ran in the 2:11 range and took second.

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I try to hydrate well before the race and usually take the opportunity to pee before the race starts.   If that fails, the act of standing in water before the wave start begins often induces me to perform (kind of like the old prank of putting a sleeping person’s hand in a warm pot of water to make them wet their bed).   But consider the alternative in the next parts of the race:  getting yourself and your bike sticky or stopping on the run. You don’t want to risk ruining the beautiful paint finish on your bike or somehow reducing the well formulated viscious chain grease lubricant on your drivetrain. And who knows if there will be any trees (guys) or bushes (women) or port-a-potties on the run. I guess it also depends on your level of competitivness, if you’re out to have a good time, don’t torture yourself and use a provided-for facility and then re-enter the race.  A friend of mine, while recently competing in the Spud Triathlon ‘95 (Indian Head, MD), desperately had to go to the jiffy john after the swim (he was first out of the water), stopped in for a couple of minutes and was leading the entire race until the 15 mile marker on the bike (Olympic distance race) and eventually took fourth in his age group. I have taken the opportunity to pee once while riding in a race (The Long and Winding Biathlon, MD ‘93).  It was raining and in the upper forties. The bike was 35 M and becoming a chilling experience.  I had to go badly and when thinking about it for a few moments decided that it might actually be a reviving experience to let a short burst of 98.6 degree fluid pour down my leg so I indulged.  The rain cleaned me and my bike off nicely.  (I actually stopped after the first loop of the bike to pick up a rain jacket in the transition area) and I finished 7th in the race. About 1/3 of the entrants dropped out because of the weather, but I enjoyed it. Hoped these anecdotes helped Tucker Newberry

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Good question! I have always been able to hold it until the transition zone. At the time I erroneously thought I should be runner harder to turn on the sweat system and off the urinate system. The fact, well my understanding, is that the bladder is a one way out system. Once you have to pee, it doesn’t go away although urgency may fluctuate. So, is there an ettiquette for urinating during a tri? Any ironman competitors care to comment. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been lurking here for a bit, and there’s one issue I haven’t seen addressed here in regards to triathlons…relieving one’s self. In the August issue of Triathlete mag, the fellow that wrote the article on his Powerman Zofingen race talked about peeing during a downhill on the bike.  I did my first tri(a very mini race) a couple of weeks ago, and had to pee when I started the run.  The run was only three miles, but by the time I reached the turnaround I really had to go.  I went off the road and into some trees and did my business. My question is this: is that my only option?  Do racers in, say, Olympic- distance(or longer) tris just wet themselves?  This must really sound like a dumb question, but hey. On the bright side, it was 90 degrees the day of my race, so I was glad to see that I was so well hydrated that I still had to pee after the swim and bike.

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So, is there an ettiquette for urinating during a tri? Any ironman competitors care to comment.

Believe me.  An Ironman competitor displays little etiquette, other than not peeing on your shoes.  I saw more public displays, male and female, than I ever imagined.  It is the way it goes, though.  Etiquette costs time.  One woman was showering her bike as I passed her by.  Yuck.   -Rolf — Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D.     |  (Back by popular demand…)     |         "Do."

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Does anyone have experience with the HAUFF NIZZA triathlon bike ? I have a cheap offer and would like to know the opinion of someone who knows that bike. J"org.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: DESY Does anyone have experience with the HAUFF NIZZA triathlon bike ? I have a cheap offer and would like to know the opinion of someone who knows that bike. J"org.

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