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Another vote for the bible.  It might be a bit dated now, I dont know, but it is a good general introduction. -Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tried "the triathletes’training bible", it is quite simple but you can find the basic concepts about training and periodization. It is explanned how to plan a year and you can find some example Diego I know this is going to be very objective question, but What is/are the best book(s) on training for an Ironman Triathlon? nutritional advice, weight training advice, etc. Alot of common sense advice, especially for a first timer. Thanks in advance.

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I have my top ten triathlon books listed at: http://www.trifind.com/books/ Good Luck Steve A

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SERIOUS Training for Endurance Athletes by Sleamaker and Browning is good at laying out a training program for a variety of distances and events.

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I tried "the triathletes’training bible", it is quite simple but you can find the basic concepts about training and periodization. It is explanned how to plan a year and you can find some example Diego

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I’ve never tried one, but I was kind of interested in a book by velopress "swim workouts for triathletes." It was a binder full of waterproof cards with swim workouts.  you can check it out at www.velogear.com. good luck

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I know this is going to be very objective question, but What is/are the best book(s) on training for an Ironman Triathlon? nutritional advice, weight training advice, etc. Alot of common sense advice, especially for a first timer. Thanks in advance.

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but how does one get past the guilt?

By reminding yourself that becoming fit is a multi-part equation, and that REST is an integral part of said equation.  You break your body down with hard workouts; rest is when your body rebuilds itself stronger than before. Best of luck with the knee!  Hang in there! TriBaby                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Had to make that decision today myself. I was scheduled for a bike ride, but after a hard ride yesterday along with a track workout this morning and a master’s group swim, my legs feel dead and I know a day off will actually do more good than another bike ride. It’s a smart decision based on proven training research, however I still feel like a slacker. My wife however, calls this a "big boy decision". Gee, I wonder what she thinks of my other training choices. Jerry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had problems with my left knee on and off for most of my life; nothing serious, but it groans sometimes after a longish run. Well, I ran well yesterday and my knee was screaming when I eventually got home after work. Woke up this morning and it was still moaning so I figured it best to take the morning swim off, and I’ll probably leave the day blank just to be safe. However, I always struggle with guilt over skipping workouts. I’m sure you’ve all been there: questioning yourself as to whether your injury is really that bad or if you’re just being lazy and/or weak. I *know* it makes sense to skip a day when something is aching — and rest always fixes this knee problem — but how does one get past the guilt? — Shea Bennett Before you buy.

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I have to admit thesame feelings of guilt or doubt as to wetehr I’m being lazy or smart. I just finnished going through a bout of cold followed by mild bronchitus. Whent he cough stuff started I had to lay off my running. It ended up being a week and a half before I felt well enough to get back to working out. Every time I went for a little run to just make sure I didn’t lose everything I’ve worked hard to gain I’d be rewarded with coughing fits. So eventually I just stopped and let myself heal. This morning was the first swim I’ve done in almost two weeks, but I felt just fine and ready for bear. I’ll run this afternoon. A little bit of itch still left in my chest but nothing like what it was. I’ll find out on my run but I think I’ll be fine for a five miler. I’m hoping what I’ll learn from this is that doing the intense two day workouts and so forth are fine and when it’s neccessary, I can lay off for a while, heal up whatever was slowing me down and keep going. Course if this sick crap happens again anytime soon I’ll go nuts. I hate missing workouts So if you have to lay off for a day or a week to heal up from injury or illness, maybe the best thing to do is realise it’s not lazy it neccessary part of the process. Course taht’s easier said than done. John Before you buy.

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I’ve had problems with my left knee on and off for most of my life; nothing serious, but it groans sometimes after a longish run. Well, I ran well yesterday and my knee was screaming when I eventually got home after work. Woke up this morning and it was still moaning so I figured it best to take the morning swim off, and I’ll probably leave the day blank just to be safe. However, I always struggle with guilt over skipping workouts. I’m sure you’ve all been there: questioning yourself as to whether your injury is really that bad or if you’re just being lazy and/or weak. I *know* it makes sense to skip a day when something is aching — and rest always fixes this knee problem — but how does one get past the guilt? — Shea Bennett Before you buy.

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Try something else, do an extra swim with a pull buoy or go to the gym. Chant the mantra "It’s when I rest that I get faster" Clean your bike/s and plan your next road trip. Works for me. Don’t train on a painful knee, it won’t help in the long run! (ho, ho) Phil

| I’ve had problems with my left knee on and off for most of my life; | nothing serious, but it groans sometimes after a longish run. Well, I | ran well yesterday and my knee was screaming when I eventually got home | after work. Woke up this morning and it was still moaning so I figured | it best to take the morning swim off, and I’ll probably leave the day | blank just to be safe. | | However, I always struggle with guilt over skipping workouts. I’m sure | you’ve all been there: questioning yourself as to whether your injury | is really that bad or if you’re just being lazy and/or weak. I *know* | it makes sense to skip a day when something is aching — and rest | always fixes this knee problem — but how does one get past the guilt? | | — | Shea Bennett | | | Before you buy.

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However, I always struggle with guilt over skipping workouts. I’m sure you’ve all been there: questioning yourself as to whether your injury is really that bad or if you’re just being lazy and/or weak. I *know* it makes sense to skip a day when something is aching — and rest always fixes this knee problem — but how does one get past the guilt? — Shea Bennett

By reminding oneself of how many days one will miss if one does _not_ take the rest. Thinking about all the fun races you will have to sit out if your problem gets worse. If that doesn’t work, do something "useful" during the time you usually would be working out; it’s hard to feel guilty about doing volunteer work or taking your car for its annual inspection. Or, depending on the injury, maybe find a workout (swim?) that does not stress it. I hope your knee feels better! Vanessa

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However, I always struggle with guilt over skipping workouts. I’m sure you’ve all been there: questioning yourself as to whether your injury is really that bad or if you’re just being lazy and/or weak. I *know* it makes sense to skip a day when something is aching — and rest always fixes this knee problem — but how does one get past the guilt?

Here’s the thing. Most of the people on this list are fitness nutcases and wont miss a training session unless they feel really lousey ( trans. very bad ). I know this is true for me. So given that you, like the rest of us are a bit messed up in the head. Then if YOU feel that you should mabey knock a session on the head, then odds on your right.

Sheamus with a "h". Haven’t seen that before. Brian P Casey

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Okay, I’m just about ready to pull the pin and sign up for IMNZ.  The housing is working out, it looks like the airline gods will smile upon me, and I might even be trained up for it.  I’m already into my second week of base training. In looking at the airline schedules, it looks like I can fly from Los Angeles directly into Auckland and arrive early on the Friday eight days before the race.  Which means that if there’s a sprint distance tri somewhere on the North Island that weekend (26-27 Feb 2000), I could probably do it.  Which would be a good thing — I wouldn’t have to push it all that hard, and it would mean that my first race of the year would be something other than IMNZ.   I’d hate to find out that I’ve forgotten how to take off my wetsuit or tie my shoes under race conditions, or something like that. So, any suggestions as to races, or websites I could check out? Thanks in advance, Steve Blum IML 1999 16:50:50 IMNZ 2000 a bit faster, I hope

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Steve, I’m also ready to pull the pin for the race. I’ve inquired about races prior to IM with exRST member TriDork, who now lives near Auckland. He hasn’t heard of any races yet but is to let me know. I’ll pass on any info as soon as I get it. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I’m just about ready to pull the pin and sign up for IMNZ.  The housing is working out, it looks like the airline gods will smile upon me, and I might even be trained up for it.  I’m already into my second week of base training. In looking at the airline schedules, it looks like I can fly from Los Angeles directly into Auckland and arrive early on the Friday eight days before the race.  Which means that if there’s a sprint distance tri somewhere on the North Island that weekend (26-27 Feb 2000), I could probably do it.  Which would be a good thing — I wouldn’t have to push it all that hard, and it would mean that my first race of the year would be something other than IMNZ.   I’d hate to find out that I’ve forgotten how to take off my wetsuit or tie my shoes under race conditions, or something like that. So, any suggestions as to races, or websites I could check out? Thanks in advance, Steve Blum IML 1999 16:50:50 IMNZ 2000 a bit faster, I hope

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Steve, Check out http://www.triathlon.co.nz This appears to have the info you’re looking for. I’ve also seen the big multisport races listed in NZBike. Cheers, Jason in Ottawa, Nova Scotian at heart, moving to Kiwi land (north Auckland area) in one month!

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1. How often are aid stations on the bike? They are plentiful Stephen. They are on average 5 miles (8km) apart, so if anyone gets dehydrated in the race, the responsibility lies totally with the triathlete.

Hey! I resemble that remark… <g 2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations? Ice will be provided on the run stations. As for the bike stations, I don’t know. Maybe someone else can reply?

I don’t recall seeing ice available. There might be some being used by the volunteers, and they’d probably be glad to get it if you asked. After all, we’re talking about the worlds’ BEST volunteers. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations? Ice will be provided on the run stations. As for the bike stations, I don’t know. Maybe someone else can reply?

I’m with Pete, I don’t recall there ever being ice available on the bike course, but it’s fairly plentiful on the run. 3. What is the average low and high temperature for Pentiction on August 29th?….average humidity? Well, in 1996 and 1998, temps reached 100+ degrees F in certain areas (40C). In 1997 is was below average. Right now they are having a below average season (50-70F), so it might be that way on race day. The area is historically semi-arid, so chances are you’ll be racing in low humidity.

Yep, it could easily go either way.  Personally, I’ll take the heat over the cold.  I *hate* riding my bike in lousy weather! 4. What food is provided at bike and run aid stations? On the bike you could have oranges and bananas. I believe they do have gels also, although don’t quote me on it.

Yes, some aid stations have gel.  And don’t forget the little baggies of cookies and grapes, yum!! As for the run, every aid station is a virtual smorgasbord, including oranges, bananas, cookies, gels, energy bars, de-fizzed coke, and chicken soup.

…and watermelon, cantaloupe, and (YUM!) Okanagan peaches!!  :) — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Sorry, but I have to.. I will be doing my first Ironman at Ironman Canada and have the following questions due to my concerns about dehydration: 1. How often are aid stations on the bike?

Every so often, whenever the race organizers and volunteers stay long enough together. 2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations?

Ice is further north from Alaska, not sure if they are trucking it down this year due to the warmth, it may melt. 3. What is the average low and high temperature for Pentiction on August 29th?….average humidity?

Hmm, if i were a farmer, I check the farmer’s almanac, but I’m not a farmer. As for humidity, greater when following someone who perspires alot or spits with bad aim 4. What food is provided at bike and run aid stations?

It’s like fast food, you make your order miles ahead, then pick-up when you hit the fabled aid station. Watch out, I understand in year’s past, other racers were seen using other racer numbers when ordering and were those racers surprised when they got their final bill at the finish line. I have a tough time staying hydrated in hot weather despite drinking large amounts of fluid and using succeed tablets to aid in absorbtion…….I’m praying for decent weather because I have yet to stay adequately hydrated on workouts lasting up to 8 hours if the temperature is around 90F….I’m open to further suggestions in addition to drinking 2 liters/hour and taking a sodium pill once/hour….

Drink, drink, drink. Before, during and after. Never be thirsty. Don’t make your drinks strong and forget to dilute. drink drink drink. If you don’t have to pee, then you are not drinking enuf. watch the sodium intake, but enuf to ward signs of cramping. train in the heat, do workouts starting at 12 and go for 4-6 hours, so it’s hot, what’s going to happen during the race, its gonna be hot, wear sunscreen, wear a hat/visor for the run, wear a scarf around the neck to keep your temperature sensation feeling cool, meanwhile your skin is turning rosey red. drink drink drink, before during and after. Stephen Bullard

Steve, Racing Vineman on July 31st, I speak with lessons learned. I had fun with the post, but also will be practicing what I preach for I am headed back to Vine this year. Best of luck Jeff

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1. How often are aid stations on the bike? They are plentiful Stephen. They are on average 5 miles (8km) apart, so if anyone gets dehydrated in the race, the responsibility lies totally with the triathlete.

Except, of course, when they run out, like happened at some bike stops in 1998 in those brutally hot conditions. I was turned away at 2 stops in a row because they had no water left. This is the exception, though, and occurred probably because people were grabbing bottles and pouring them over their heads, wasting many bottles. 2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations? Ice will be provided on the run stations. As for the bike stations, I don’t know. Maybe someone else can reply?

You folks are SO lucky. The only drink better than Gatorade is Quic Discs, and both are far superior to this Powerade / Allsport stuff that seems to be dominating the drinks in IM these days. I will applaud the day when I am on the Quic Disc ™ Bike or Run Course I wouldn’t worry about the ice too much. The drinks are usually pretty cold when they hand them to you, but within 10-15 minutes it will be at the air temperature anyway. 3. What is the average low and high temperature for Pentiction on August 29th?….average humidity?

Temperature – Total crapshoot. I’ve seen high temperatures range from upper 60s (deg F) to well over 100. I’ve seen the lows dip down into the lower 50s as well. Humidity – usually very (desert) dry, unless it is raining. 4. What food is provided at bike and run aid stations?

Many types — and, I’ve found that the volunteers tend to become more creative as the run progresses. You’ll get pretty much whatever you need. -Rolf —     "In rivers, the water that you touch is the last of      which has passed and the first of that which comes:      so with present time."   — Leonardo Da Vinci IMC94-14:07  IMC95-11:59  IMC97-12:12  IMC98-14:02  IMNZ99-11:52

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I will be doing my first Ironman at Ironman Canada and have the following questions due to my concerns about dehydration: 1. How often are aid stations on the bike? 2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations? 3. What is the average low and high temperature for Pentiction on August 29th?….average humidity? 4. What food is provided at bike and run aid stations? I have a tough time staying hydrated in hot weather despite drinking large amounts of fluid and using succeed tablets to aid in absorbtion…….I’m praying for decent weather because I have yet to stay adequately hydrated on workouts lasting up to 8 hours if the temperature is around 90F….I’m open to further suggestions in addition to drinking 2 liters/hour and taking a sodium pill once/hour…. Stephen Bullard    

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1. How often are aid stations on the bike?

They are plentiful Stephen. They are on average 5 miles (8km) apart, so if anyone gets dehydrated in the race, the responsibility lies totally with the triathlete. 2. I believe Gatorade is the fluids that will be provided…..is ice provided in the water bottle handups on the bike or is it possible to get ice at the bike aid stations?

Ice will be provided on the run stations. As for the bike stations, I don’t know. Maybe someone else can reply? 3. What is the average low and high temperature for Pentiction on August 29th?….average humidity?

Well, in 1996 and 1998, temps reached 100+ degrees F in certain areas (40C). In 1997 is was below average. Right now they are having a below average season (50-70F), so it might be that way on race day. The area is historically semi-arid, so chances are you’ll be racing in low humidity. 4. What food is provided at bike and run aid stations?

On the bike you could have oranges and bananas. I believe they do have gels also, although don’t quote me on it. As for the run, every aid station is a virtual smorgasbord, including oranges, bananas, cookies, gels, energy bars, de-fizzed coke, and chicken soup. I have a tough time staying hydrated in hot weather despite drinking large amounts of fluid and using succeed tablets to aid in absorbtion…….I’m praying for decent weather because I have yet to stay adequately hydrated on workouts lasting up to 8 hours if the temperature is around 90F….I’m open to further suggestions in addition to drinking 2 liters/hour and taking a sodium pill once/hour…. Stephen Bullard    

You might be in luck this year with the temps being below average in that area. Good luck with your training.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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For the northern hemisphere triathletes out there it’s time to put the wetsuit into mothballs, clip the bike onto a stationary trainer and hunker down for another winter long cold winter. What can you do to keep your motivation up through the dark days? How about planning your next extreme triathlon? The new XT race guide has just gone live with detailed information on over 70 races already logged and more arriving all the time. The race guide is now running from a database so you can find races by distance, classification or location. Check it out at www.extremetri.com ! Also new on the site is a pro diary from the ‘Hawaii double’ – the combined Hawaii Ironman and Xterra mountain bike races – by outstanding US athlete and Xterra winner, Sue Latshaw. Keep the weather at bay with XT! Keep training smart!

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FYI Nick I have had trouble getting into the RACE  GUIDE. I have not been able to access it from any "click on" since you began posting about it a few days ago.

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Checked with Rob and the server has been seizing…it’s fine at the moment and he is having the problem looked at! Cheers Nick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI Nick I have had trouble getting into the RACE  GUIDE. ……

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And I thought we were going to get Part 1 of 27 of Tri-Baby’s IMC 98 report! Kevin ‘And I was really looking forward to it!’ Mitchell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Crikey! I thought we were going to get Part 27 of Tricia’s IMC97 report for a minute Cheers, Richard.

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What with Canada day having only recently passed, i think now’s as good a time as any to present my opinion that Canda is the up and coming nation in triathlon.  Of course Germany still dominates men’s ultradistance competition, and Australia and New Zealand always seem able to produce a handful of super-fast naturals.  Still, in light of recent performances by Heather Fuhr, Lori Bowden and Melissa Spooner (and of course Peter Reid) it seems that the multisport world should be prepared for a Canadian invasion.  (at least it’ll be neat, quiet and polite. . .) mather callaghan (from Canada via Germany and Spain)

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Crikey! I thought we were going to get Part 27 of Tricia’s IMC97 report for a minute Cheers, Richard.

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I would like to compete in a sprint distance  Triathlon or duathlon late this summer!!  Could anyone please help me out with a training program / guidelines..

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you could try  http://w3.one.net/~triweb/essent.html  for some good intro advice. I would like to compete in a sprint distance  Triathlon or duathlon late this summer!!  Could anyone please help me out with a training program / guidelines..

– Graduate Research Assistant                             (423) 974-8966 IRIS Lab, Electrical Engineering Dept, UTK

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i cant go there my pc sux and i can only e-mail and visit here basicaly…..

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Hi Gang, For Big Bear Tri / Du results, contact Dennis Ferguson of SBR Sports. Tel:  714-858-7386, or fax at 714-858-4224.  Sorry, I don’t know if he has an email address. Good Luck! Syntace1

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Anyone know where to find the results of the Big Bear Lake Triathlon (California)? Thanks, Dennis

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Anyone know where to find the results of the Big Bear Lake Triathlon (California)? Thanks, Dennis

Dennis, It’s been a couple of years since my last Big Bear, but SBR Sports Productions are the guys that were doing it back then. They were located in Irvine, California. I tried to find a telephone number for them but don’t have one on file. Try directory assistance. I know this is not much help, but good luck!!! Steve G.

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I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women.

You are in serious need of a life!  The race is IRONMAN. I’ve heard from several women IRONMAN finishers that the name should stay the same. This "Disease" that is currently sweeping our world, known as the ANY complaint from women (you ask if anyone has complained) you raise the issue that the a more inclusive name should be sought. Enough already!  Get you bike out of the garage and go for a ride. You need more time training and less time thinking about non-problems.  I have no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people??

YOur suggestion of searching for a new name for the premier race in our sport is ludicrous. I’m curious of your motives since the Ironman races have equal proze money etc for women and men. It is one of the more equitable competitions I’m aware of. Men and women compete together onthe same course at the same time. I’m all for equality. What I will not stand for is pandering to some alleged minority. (besides, women aren’t the minority on this planet anyway. Aren’t they about 51% of the population) Thanks, Doubledare

I double dare you to get a grip pal! Marcus Perry "TriDork" ** Give whenever you CAN…..Take only when you HAVE to. ** ** M. Perry     circa 1980 **

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snip I double dare you to get a grip pal! Marcus Perry "TriDork"

Marcus, Marcus, Marcus I think our new playmate Doubledare was referring not to the gender bias of the name but that it unfairly advantages one out of many highly qualified elements.  If one counts Technetium then we have 92 equal candidates that all deserve the same degree of consideration.  Lest we forget, there should probably be some sort of ‘affirmative’ action’ program for the poor blighted ‘transuranic’ elements 93 through 109 which must bear the stigma of being artificially created in the lab. Hence, in the true spirit of political correctness, we should thank brother Doubledare and begin a rotation much like they do with hurricanes.  Next year ‘HYDROGENMAN’!!! Bruce (waitin for LEADMAN) Ackman

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In response to changing the name of Ironman to something politically correct seems like as TRIDORK put it a non issue.  What I think is a real issue is all the women who enter Ironman races and finish ahead of me. Now that really burns my a**. RB

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I don’t think that within the tri community people are offended by the race being called IRONMAN. It certainly doesn’t bother me. When I tell people outside the tri world I’m a triathlete they willl ask if Ihave done the IRonman…and then realizing that I am a woman will usually correct themselves and say or Ironwoman? I usually respond, "No it’s called the Ironman." But like Cathy I sometimes sign off my notes as Ironwoman or Ironchick or Ironbabe or Irongal.

I like the name of the race being called Ironman, and like Lisa, it is only the non-triathlete crowd that always seem to ask me if I am offended by the name. Janet

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(doubledare) writes: I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women. I have no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people?? Thanks, Doubledare

I wonder if Marvel Comics is offended.  They certainly came out with the Ironman character way before Ironman Hawaii was created.  So yes, Doubledare, I do believe someone somewhere is offended by the USE of Ironman, but probably not too many triathletes.  I always did wonder who was behind that Iron Mask of Ironman.  Could be a woman I suppose. Certainly the World Triathon Corporation has no interest in changing the name since they make so much $$ from the licensing of the Ironman logo (to Timex and others).  IRONic though that a woman, Julie Moss, did more to popularize Ironman than Dave Scott, Mark Allen, Scott Tinley, Scott Molina, or Greg Welch — all male winners of Ironman Hawaii. Tucker Newberry

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You are in serious need of a life!  The race is IRONMAN. I’ve heard from several women IRONMAN finishers that the name should stay the same. . . You need more time training and less time thinking about non-problems. . . I’m curious of your motives  . . . I double dare you to get a grip pal! Marcus Perry "TriDork"

because he is still the best Ironman of them all . . .but I only asked, not to offend, not because of my own selfish nature, I was just curious. Relax pal, I bet when you typed your response, your heartrate your was in its upper limit training zone – why ride if you can accomplish that (Lending credibility to the notion and future success of the almighty armchair athletes – Way to go!)!! Cheers Doubledare   P.S. I am laughing at the number of people that have replied to this "May the ‘Man’ rule in Kona"

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I am almost sick to death of political correctness.

I remember when this thread came up last year. My comment then was that I don’t mind at all that the race is called Ironman. However, when I complete that distance, I call myself an IronWoman. I met a lot of opposition from some gents who thought all finishers should be called Ironmen regardless of gender. Cathy Corning

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I’m sure doubledare is chuckling over how many people’s goat s/he got! I had a chuckle myself.  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sam Km40….cheers!  

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I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women. I have no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people?? Thanks, Doubledare I am almost sick to death of political correctness.

Ditto. I don’t think that any serious triathletes find the name Ironman offensive. It is (arguably) the pinnacle of the sport. Part of the mystique & accomplishment surrounding those that have done it, & the race itself, is that   virtually everyone recognises the Hawaii Ironman. I mean, if you ask most couch potatoes what triathlon is all about, they all seem to think of Ironman (i.e. a huge, tremendous all day type effort.) I guess you know how I feel now…

I don’t think that within the tri community people are offended by the race being called IRONMAN. It certainly doesn’t bother me. When I tell people outside the tri world I’m a triathlete they willl ask if Ihave done the IRonman…and then realizing that I am a woman will usually correct themselves and say or Ironwoman? I usually respond, "No it’s called the Ironman." But like Cathy I sometimes sign off my notes as Ironwoman or Ironchick or Ironbabe or Irongal. Newspapers that have writen articles about me, have referred to me as an Ironwoman or Woman of Steel (okay gag!) Whatever I call myself or others identify me as doesn’t matter, but the race IS the IRONMAN…it’s a state of mind not disectable into gender.   Stewart Ralph Canberra, ACT Hoping to do Ironman Australia next year

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Why not "Ironhuman"…  but this would exclude animals and plants that may want to participate in the future…  ;) Come on! Before the PC movement, nobody felt bad using "man" or men" meaning "human being"! — Pascal Forget http://www.cam.org/~pforget/

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Funny thread. I like the name of the race being called Ironman, and like Lisa, it is only the non-triathlete crowd that always seem to ask me if I am offended by the name.

I never really thought about it until this thread came up. My take on the issue is that if the women participants were generally in favour of a name change I probably would be open-wided about it. Then again, seeing as how I haven’t done an IM yet I really have no claim to argue at all. By the informal survey here, it looks like women IM athletes are *not* in favour of a change. When I tried to hypothesize how I would interpret Ironman if I were a woman competitor it went something like this. "In most other sports, the female version of the sport is a diminutive variation of the male event. In Ironman, we do the same damn distances on the same damn course as the men! By calling it Ironman it is less likely for the layperson to mistake my efforts as any less than the men’s." arthur — Choices don’t scare me. However, a lack of choices does.

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  Alot of stuff that I cut out . . .   but I write "Bravo on the level of wit!!"

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In response to changing the name of Ironman to something politically correct seems like as TRIDORK put it a non issue.  

Yes it’s anon issue! Doubledare is probalby a bigger weeinie than TriDork. (oops, that’s not possible) What I think is a real issue is all the women who enter Ironman races and finish ahead of me. Now that really burns my a**.

You’ve got it all wrong. Being beaten by women is good. In fact I’ve paid good money for that  I respect women as equals. If they train harder, push harder, are more dedicated than I etc, then they are completely deserving of finishing ahead of me. Now for a completely non PC comment. I like starting ahead of the women but finishing after them. It means a steady stream of well toned, often very good looking (remember triathletes are good looking thread?)women pass me duing the race. If I have a choice of being passed by good looking guys or good looking women, I for one would prefer to be passed by the women. I’m a hetero sexual male and prefer to look at women. Maybe in this day and age I should apologize for that,….but I’m not going to. RB

– Marcus Perry "TriDork" ** Give whenever you CAN…..Take only when you HAVE to. ** ** M. Perry     circa 1980 **

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I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women. I have

   I think women’s participation in the event is documented in the book "Triathlon: A Triple-Fitness Sport" (was that the title?), which was authored by a woman (was it Sally Edwards?) I do remember somewhere in a tri book that’s a few years old that:    "A man who has done the Ironman Triathlon is called an Ironman. A woman who has done the Ironman Triathlon is also called an Ironman." no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people??

   I’m sure just the idea that anyone has ever swum, biked OR run that far, much less all three in one day, has offended some people.    I know I’ve personally managed to offend some people, and while the’ve made some really odd suggestions, no one suggested I change my name.    Sigh. I remember the good old days when PC stood for Personal Computer… Ben Bradley, Design Engineer Schlumberger Industries

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Maybe the PC crowd would want to call it the "Ironperson" but what letter would you put the dot over? Ciao, Tom

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I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon

by women. I have no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people?? Thanks, Doubledare

I am almost sick to death of political correctness. I don’t think that any serious triathletes find the name Ironman offensive. It is (arguably) the pinnacle of the sport. Part of the mystique & accomplishment surrounding those that have done it, & the race itself, is that   virtually everyone recognises the Hawaii Ironman. I mean, if you ask most couch potatoes what triathlon is all about, they all seem to think of Ironman (i.e. a huge, tremendous all day type effort.) I guess you know how I feel now… Stewart Ralph Canberra, ACT Hoping to do Ironman Australia next year

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C’mon Tri-Dork, I am anxiously awaiting your reply to your countryperson. Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women.

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sam Km40….cheers!  

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Why? Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women.

NO, and I am a woman.   Anyone, man or woman, who could be so myopic about the event to want to cause such a stink just doesn’t "get it".  God, as Km40 posted, "Political correctness rears its ugly head."   AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I need to ask, so please respond: Does anyone out there think that the name Ironman should be changed in response to the increased popularity and participation within triathlon by women. I have no idea as to what kind of replacement name we could use. I’m just curious to know, has anyone participated in the races and heard of a complaint that the name may have offended people?? Thanks, Doubledare

Haven’t heard of any complaints.  I know that the Powerman changed its name to POWERwoMAN, but everyone including the women kept calling the series Powerman.  As a man, I don’t take offense to a womans Danskin series excluding men.  Most people (I think) are above griping over a title that has been used and respected for a long time, regardless of any reference to gender. That my opinion. Dr. T

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Prime Network will carry each of the Gatorade Triathlon Series race nationally in 1995.  The S. Padre Texas race will also be televised in Europe by Eurosport.  Tom Ziebart

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Do you know what the TV schedule will be on Prime Sports.  Will it be nationaly televised of just locally.  How about HSE (Prime Sports) in the DFW, TX area. –

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I think it’s great that Gatorade is sponsoring a triathlon series.  I am very disappointed that it leaves out 4/5  of the United States – doesn’t sound like a national series to me.  Any other west coasters get the feeling that triathlon is skyrocketing in Florida and barely holding on in California? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t fault them ….  but I hope some of that sponsorship works it’s way out here.  

Well, it’s not exactly national in scope, but it certainly will be in quality. I have been racing Tom Ziebart’s races for many years now and I have never been disappointed in any of them. Mr. Ziebart works extremely hard to produce races of the highest quality without mega-sponsors. It is a testament to his efforts that this series has extended beyond Florida’s borders. Perhaps in a few years it will truly be a national series. I am very sorry about the loss of sponsorship in California. I was planning to race Mazda OCPAC this year, but…. If anyone gets a chance, try out one of Mr. Ziebart’s races. You will not be disappointed. Go Gators. No Drafting. Buy a QR wetsuit. Joshua Allen President, University of Florida Triathlon Club

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Tom, Where will the Atlanta race be held (obviously Atlanta, L0L!)  Where will the actual course be?? Look foreward to it! Sam

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Saturday, Sept. 23 – South Padre Island, Texas 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6 mile run $15,000 prize purse – Tri Pro Tour Race Age-Group race at 7:00 AM – Pro Criterium at 11:00 AM Special Note – Drafting will be allowed for the elite wave in each of the Gatorade Triathlon Series Races.

Tom, I see your race in Texas is also part of the TPT.  The TPT literature says they are a NO DRAFTING series.  Will drafting be part of the Texas race? Todd Jensen                                   o AT&T Bell Labs              ___^o_    __o    <| Naperville, IL                      _ <_    _

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The Atlanta race will be held north of Atlanta in Gainesville, Ga on Lake Lanier.  One mile swim, 26 mile bike, 6 mile run – hilly course on rural country roads.  Call 407-241-3801 for an application.  Tom Z

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Since the Texas race will be a Criterium Pro Race and part of the TPT will will not allow drafting at this race of the series.  All other races will allow drafting for only the elite athletes.  Tom Ziebart

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The Gatorade Triathlon Series will be the first national triathlon series produced in the US since the demise of the Bud Light Triathlon Series.

I think it’s great that Gatorade is sponsoring a triathlon series.  I am very disappointed that it leaves out 4/5  of the United States – doesn’t sound like a national series to me.  Any other west coasters get the feeling that triathlon is skyrocketing in Florida and barely holding on in California? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t fault them ….  but I hope some of that sponsorship works it’s way out here.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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The Gatorade Triathlon Series will be the first national triathlon series produced in the US since the demise of the Bud Light Triathlon Series. Sunday, May 14 – Tampa (Auburndale), Florida Sunday, June 11 – Boca Raton, Florida …[etc.] Sunday, Nov. 5 – St. Augustine, Florida

Gee, that’s some *national* series!  I’m delighted Gatorade is sponsoring a series of triathlons, but I hope we can be a little more careful with our language. This is *not* a replacement for the Bud Light series. Steve Patt, Stevens Creek Software   http://alumni.caltech.edu/~slp/tad.html (The Athlete’s Diary home page)   ftp://alumni.caltech.edu/pub/slp (Information and demo copies)

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ESM plans on taking the Gatorade Triathlon Series nationwide in 1996.  It takes around 8-10 months to organize a new site for a triathlon and we did not have alot of time to get ready for the series this season.  That is why we will use many of the former sites of the Gatorade Sprintman Triathlon Series in Florida.  New races this year include Atlanta, Columbia, SC and South Padre Island, Tx.   We will begin looking for new sites this summer for the 1996 series in the west, mid-west and north-east.

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in a post or two ago, something about drafting in all the elite waves of the Gatorade Triathlon Series

Tom, I don’t get it. Only a month ago you were soliciting this newsgroup about how rst — representative of thinking, well-informed triathletes — felt about drafting being initiated in your race series, as you were "only considering" it at the time. Now you mention in a "by the way" kind of way that there will be drafting. Okay, what happened? Who convinced you to go the drafting route? Have you considered that the relatively courses might elevate the danger in drafting? Your elite wave is not going to spread out anywhere along the course! What, you want to show pros going down on TV? Is that what makes our sport exciting? Someone like Spencer Smith crashing in your Sept. 23 race (the Triathlon Pro Tour) event and then having to miss Ironman (I’m just making this up, obviously) two weeks later? Please inform us of the decisions that went into this drafting announcement. I, for one, am not impressed. Katherine Williams

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Gee, that’s some *national* series!  I’m delighted Gatorade is sponsoring a series of triathlons, but I hope we can be a little more careful with our language. This is *not* a replacement for the Bud Light series.

I agree; however, there was a Bud Light Sprint series (mainly in Florida) that was separate from the BLTS that you are thinking of.  I’m wondering if Gatoraide is picking up the sponsorhip of that series… Pat    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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ESM plans on taking the Gatorade Triathlon Series nationwide in 1996.  It takes around 8-10 months to organize a new site for a triathlon and we did not have alot of time to get ready for the series this season.  That is why we will use many of the former sites of the Gatorade Sprintman Triathlon Series in Florida.  New races this year include Atlanta, Columbia, SC and South Padre Island, Tx.   We will begin looking for new sites this summer for the 1996 series in the west, mid-west and north-east.

Check out Sante Fe for something out west– and no it isn’t run in town like the poorly planned Coors Light Du Championship.  Contact Art Gardenswartz at Gardenswartz Sportz in Albuquerque for more info. Currently the Sante Fe tri is the second largest athletic event in NM.    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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The Gatorade Triathlon Series will be the first national triathlon series produced in the US since the demise of the Bud Light Triathlon Series. 11 races will be presented this year begining in May and ending in Nov. Each race of will televised nationally on Prime Network and the series will award a total of $27,000 in prize money.  Age-group series winners will win awards and a Gatorade Ironman watch.. The 1995 Gatorade Triathlon Series Schedule Sunday, May 14 – Tampa (Auburndale), Florida 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile bike, 5 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, June 11 – Boca Raton, Florida 1/2 mile swim, 10 mile bike, 3 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, June 25 – Miami, Florida 1/2 mile swim, 10 mile bike, 3 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, July 16 – Orlando (Howey-in-the-Hills), Florida 1 mile swim, 27 mile bike, 5 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, June 23 – Atlanta (Gainesville) Georgia 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, Aug. 13 – Sarasota, Florida 1/2 mile swim, 13 mile bike, 3 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, Aug. 20 – Columbia, South Carolina 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 5 mile run $1,000 prize purse Saturday, Sept. 2 – Marsh Harbour, Bahamas 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6 mile run $3,000 prize purse Saturday, Sept. 23 – South Padre Island, Texas 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6 mile run $15,000 prize purse – Tri Pro Tour Race Age-Group race at 7:00 AM – Pro Criterium at 11:00 AM Sunday, Oct. 8 – Jekyll Island, Georgia 1 mile swim, 25 mile bike, 6 mile run $1,000 prize purse Sunday, Nov. 5 – St. Augustine, Florida 1/2 mile swim, 13 mile bike, 3 mile run $1,000 prize purse For more info or an application call Exclusive Sports Marketing at 407-241-3801. Special Note – Drafting will be allowed for the elite wave in each of the Gatorade Triathlon Series Races.

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