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SBR Sports is a local triathlon shop owned and operated by local triathletes.  We are located only a few miles from the athlete village.  Our moto is "for athletes by athletes."  We are excited to help you make this Ironman an event to remember.  As triathletes and locals we can offer you an amazing perspective on the course and local culture.  We want to help you be as prepared for the event as possible.  SBR Sports is also offering a bike shipping program. Instead of sending your bike to the hotel send it to us.  We can professionally but it together and insure it is running properly.  We know you have enough to worry about the week of Ironman (we have been there) let us handle the details.  If needed we can even tune it up for you giving you that extra edge.  SBR Sports also carries a full line of triathlon equipment and accessories.  If you forget it or run out check with us and we will have what you need. For any questions please feel free to contact us.  Our contact (801) 361-9425 Again, we are excited to help you in any way we can.  We love this sport and love helping fellow triathletes succeed.  We look forward to helping you. Aaron Asay  Owner & Triathlete Czar Johnson Owner & Triathlete

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Im local….how do I get to your shop? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SBR Sports is a local triathlon shop owned and operated by local triathletes.  We are located only a few miles from the athlete village.  Our moto is "for athletes by athletes."  We are excited to help you make this Ironman an event to remember.  As triathletes and locals we can offer you an amazing perspective on the course and local culture.  We want to help you be as prepared for the event as possible.  SBR Sports is also offering a bike shipping program. Instead of sending your bike to the hotel send it to us.  We can professionally but it together and insure it is running properly.  We know you have enough to worry about the week of Ironman (we have been there) let us handle the details.  If needed we can even tune it up for you giving you that extra edge.  SBR Sports also carries a full line of triathlon equipment and accessories.  If you forget it or run out check with us and we will have what you need. For any questions please feel free to contact us.  Our contact (801) 361-9425 Again, we are excited to help you in any way we can.  We love this sport and love helping fellow triathletes succeed.  We look forward to helping you. Aaron Asay  Owner & Triathlete Czar Johnson Owner & Triathlete

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   Well it is finally here, the day that triathlon becomes the most popular sport in the world. At around 9 p.m. EST when the first women’s olympic tri is finished over 40 billion (zillion, quadrillion) people will leap off their couch (bench, grass mat) and realize that they have witnessed the one thing that has been missing from their life… draft legal triathlon. Everyone that is except U.S. citizens who will see 5 minutes of the race next Thursday, in between Coke ads and features on koala bears and Paul Hogan.    Over the next couple of weeks shares of Litespeed and Saucony will become the darlings of Wall Street. Tiger Woods will become passe. Nike will feature "I want to be like Simon" (Lessing) ads. Wetsuits will become the fashion statement of the youth.    Races will start to fill up 1,2 and 3 years in advance.    If everything that Les, the ITU, the IOC and many apologists from RST have predicted is true the exposure that draft-legal triathlon gets tonight will knock the NFL off the sports page of the Des Moine Register along with every other newspaper in the world. I mean what other reason could there be to bastardize a sport except for this kind of recognition.    This newsgroup should attract thousands, no millions of new members with insightful questions on the zone diet, leg shaving and why Dan never uses capital letters.   And whoever wins tonight will be the greatest woman triathlete in the world. (Except for Lori, Heather, Paula, Melissa, etc.)   I am just happy to be alive and to have been involved in the beginning of the greatest moment in sports history. Now that Juan Antonio is stepping down I nominate Les as czar of the Olympic movement. Imagine what he could do for all the sports after what he’s done for triathlon.   Triathlon soon to be the world’s most popular sport (at least until archery is shown on Wednesday.) Bill (trying not to sound to cynical) Smith

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man, i’ve seen a few rants in my time, but I nominate this one for an RST emmy.  good job.  I’m rooting for paul hogan.  Tiger said he plans to compete age group next year anyway. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Well it is finally here, the day that triathlon becomes the most popular sport in the world. At around 9 p.m. EST when the first women’s olympic tri is finished over 40 billion (zillion, quadrillion) people will leap off their couch (bench, grass mat) and realize that they have witnessed the one thing that has been missing from their life… draft legal triathlon. Everyone that is except U.S. citizens who will see 5 minutes of the race next Thursday, in between Coke ads and features on koala bears and Paul Hogan.    Over the next couple of weeks shares of Litespeed and Saucony will become the darlings of Wall Street. Tiger Woods will become passe. Nike will feature "I want to be like Simon" (Lessing) ads. Wetsuits will become the fashion statement of the youth.    Races will start to fill up 1,2 and 3 years in advance.    If everything that Les, the ITU, the IOC and many apologists from RST have predicted is true the exposure that draft-legal triathlon gets tonight will knock the NFL off the sports page of the Des Moine Register along with every other newspaper in the world. I mean what other reason could there be to bastardize a sport except for this kind of recognition.    This newsgroup should attract thousands, no millions of new members with insightful questions on the zone diet, leg shaving and why Dan never uses capital letters.   And whoever wins tonight will be the greatest woman triathlete in the world. (Except for Lori, Heather, Paula, Melissa, etc.)   I am just happy to be alive and to have been involved in the beginning of the greatest moment in sports history. Now that Juan Antonio is stepping down I nominate Les as czar of the Olympic movement. Imagine what he could do for all the sports after what he’s done for triathlon.   Triathlon soon to be the world’s most popular sport (at least until archery is shown on Wednesday.) Bill (trying not to sound to cynical) Smith

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I agree, his post was indeed funny.  Also, in reading USA Today, noticed an article in there about NBC’s plans to "showcase" both triathlons in their coverage, with about an hour’s worth of the women and 50 or so minutes of the men…. But as in the old Stephen Wright joke, "…not in a row…" Should be interesting/maddening to watch… Mike C

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OUTSTANDING! My hat is off to you, sir.  Well put. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Well it is finally here, the day that triathlon becomes the most popular sport in the world. At around 9 p.m. EST when the first women’s olympic tri is finished over 40 billion (zillion, quadrillion) people will leap off their couch (bench, grass mat) and realize that they have witnessed the one thing that has been missing from their life… draft legal triathlon. Everyone that is except U.S. citizens who will see 5 minutes of the race next Thursday, in between Coke ads and features on koala bears and Paul Hogan.    Over the next couple of weeks shares of Litespeed and Saucony will become the darlings of Wall Street. Tiger Woods will become passe. Nike will feature "I want to be like Simon" (Lessing) ads. Wetsuits will become the fashion statement of the youth.    Races will start to fill up 1,2 and 3 years in advance.    If everything that Les, the ITU, the IOC and many apologists from RST have predicted is true the exposure that draft-legal triathlon gets tonight will knock the NFL off the sports page of the Des Moine Register along with every other newspaper in the world. I mean what other reason could there be to bastardize a sport except for this kind of recognition.    This newsgroup should attract thousands, no millions of new members with insightful questions on the zone diet, leg shaving and why Dan never uses capital letters.   And whoever wins tonight will be the greatest woman triathlete in the world. (Except for Lori, Heather, Paula, Melissa, etc.)   I am just happy to be alive and to have been involved in the beginning of the greatest moment in sports history. Now that Juan Antonio is stepping down I nominate Les as czar of the Olympic movement. Imagine what he could do for all the sports after what he’s done for triathlon.   Triathlon soon to be the world’s most popular sport (at least until archery is shown on Wednesday.) Bill (trying not to sound to cynical) Smith

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Wow. You know you’ve dropped of the edge when you get that from Brian… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OUTSTANDING! My hat is off to you, sir.  Well put.    Well it is finally here, the day that triathlon becomes the most popular sport in the world. At around 9 p.m. EST when the first women’s olympic tri is finished over 40 billion (zillion, quadrillion) people will leap off their couch (bench, grass mat) and realize that they have witnessed the one thing that has been missing from their life… draft legal triathlon. Everyone that is except U.S. citizens who will see 5 minutes of the race next Thursday, in between Coke ads and features on koala bears and Paul Hogan.    Over the next couple of weeks shares of Litespeed and Saucony will become the darlings of Wall Street. Tiger Woods will become passe. Nike will feature "I want to be like Simon" (Lessing) ads. Wetsuits will become the fashion statement of the youth.    Races will start to fill up 1,2 and 3 years in advance.    If everything that Les, the ITU, the IOC and many apologists from RST have predicted is true the exposure that draft-legal triathlon gets tonight will knock the NFL off the sports page of the Des Moine Register along with every other newspaper in the world. I mean what other reason could there be to bastardize a sport except for this kind of recognition.    This newsgroup should attract thousands, no millions of new members with insightful questions on the zone diet, leg shaving and why Dan never uses capital letters.   And whoever wins tonight will be the greatest woman triathlete in the world. (Except for Lori, Heather, Paula, Melissa, etc.)   I am just happy to be alive and to have been involved in the beginning of the greatest moment in sports history. Now that Juan Antonio is stepping down I nominate Les as czar of the Olympic movement. Imagine what he could do for all the sports after what he’s done for triathlon.   Triathlon soon to be the world’s most popular sport (at least until archery is shown on Wednesday.) Bill (trying not to sound to cynical) Smith

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   Well it is finally here, the day that triathlon becomes the most popular sport in the world. At around 9 p.m. EST when the first women’s olympic tri is finished over 40 billion (zillion, quadrillion) people will leap off their couch (bench, grass mat) and realize that they have witnessed the one thing that has been missing from their life… draft legal triathlon. Everyone that is except U.S. citizens who will see 5 minutes of the race next Thursday, in between Coke ads and features on koala bears and Paul Hogan.    Over the next couple of weeks shares of Litespeed and Saucony will become the darlings of Wall Street. Tiger Woods will become passe. Nike will feature "I want to be like Simon" (Lessing) ads. Wetsuits will become the fashion statement of the youth.

        Considering Nike is about to sign Tiger to a $100 million (US) contract, I am thinking Lessing might crank up his driver! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Races will start to fill up 1,2 and 3 years in advance.    If everything that Les, the ITU, the IOC and many apologists from RST have predicted is true the exposure that draft-legal triathlon gets tonight will knock the NFL off the sports page of the Des Moine Register along with every other newspaper in the world. I mean what other reason could there be to bastardize a sport except for this kind of recognition.    This newsgroup should attract thousands, no millions of new members with insightful questions on the zone diet, leg shaving and why Dan never uses capital letters.   And whoever wins tonight will be the greatest woman triathlete in the world. (Except for Lori, Heather, Paula, Melissa, etc.)   I am just happy to be alive and to have been involved in the beginning of the greatest moment in sports history. Now that Juan Antonio is stepping down I nominate Les as czar of the Olympic movement. Imagine what he could do for all the sports after what he’s done for triathlon.   Triathlon soon to be the world’s most popular sport (at least until archery is shown on Wednesday.) Bill (trying not to sound to cynical) Smith

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Sometimes cool water will make you want to pee in the wet suit.  I discovered by accident that if I have a chance I pour warm water into my suit as soon as I get it on.  Keeps my body heat up in cooler conditions and takes away the desire to pee in the suit for me. Bob

You know, I was starting to get depressed, seeing the "Napolean" type trolls infecting RST and RR.  This thread has lifted my spirits!  It’s about people helping people pee.  Some might laugh (like me!), but it’s a real topic that is coming up with some good answers. Carry on! -Andrew

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I spent many years as a military diver and we had a saying that I think also applies to triathletes.  "There are two kinds of divers, those that pee in their wetsuit and those that lie about it." Jim"where did that warm current come from"Driscoll

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Sometimes cool water will make you want to pee in the wet suit.  I discovered by accident that if I have a chance I pour warm water into my suit as soon as I get it on.  Keeps my body heat up in cooler conditions and takes away the desire to pee in the suit for me. Bob

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I remember one day when I was shedding my wetsuit.   There was a young boy nearby about 5 years old.   He was watching me very carefully then he said "Hey mister, you smell just like pee",   Hah, what can I say, it was a long swim. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of pee….. I ALWAYS have to relieve myself when I get out of T2.  It doesn’t matter if it’s a short sprint, Olympic distance, or long workout. Whenever I go from the bike to the run, I have to ‘go’.  Is this common? Well, it’s definitely true for me in 1/2 IM’s, much to my chagrin and to the detriment of my bike splits, since they usually tack your transition times on to your bike time  I swear I wasted a full minute at Vineman this year bouncing back and forth between these two portajohns that were 20 yards apart at the run start.  Every time someone would pop out of one, I’d head toward it, but before I’d get there someone else would slip in, so I’d head back toward the other one, and the same thing would happen—AARRRGH! I was appalled to see a male athlete’s solution to this problem, however. 1/4 mile into the run, out in the middle of the vineyard, he stepped in between the rows of grapevines and relieved himself right there.  I couldn’t believe it, it was so RUDE.  I mean, couldn’t he have waited ’til the first aid station?  Or couldn’t he at least have gone off to the other side of the trail, which was just bushes and trees and scrub? I feel sorry for whoever buys the wine made from *those* grapes.  :p — Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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I spent many years as a military diver and we had a saying that I think also applies to triathletes.  "There are two kinds of divers, those that pee in their wetsuit and those that lie about it." I have not yet peed in my 3/5 hooded windsurf suit.  I have had it for 3 years.

Oh, so you’re one of the ones that lies… David "see the smiley?" Wuth / FEY2K – IMCAL < 15:00:00 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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What is the longest time you have stayed in it?

Lying?  Well, I have peed in plenty of wetsuits, but I really hate it for a variety of reasons. Two hours I would guess. Although I have been out longer.  I do pee before and after.  I hate peeing in the wetsuit.   My tricks: 1. I prefer a bathroom nearby the water entry and exit points however; 2.. Pee immediately before and immediately after the session. Baggies in car. Pee in baggie while in car discretely and dispose of in local trash or pour into grass. 3. Bring warm water in a thermos.  Immediately upon getting suit on, pour warm water into suit.  I have found this is comfortable, replaces lost heat during the change, saves my internal energy, and stops that cold water entry wanta pee response. Bob

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I spent many years as a military diver and we had a saying that I think also applies to triathletes.  "There are two kinds of divers, those that pee in their wetsuit and those that lie about it."

I have not yet peed in my 3/5 hooded windsurf suit.  I have had it for 3 years. Bob

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What is the longest time you have stayed in it? Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent many years as a military diver and we had a saying that I think also applies to triathletes.  "There are two kinds of divers, those that pee in their wetsuit and those that lie about it." I have not yet peed in my 3/5 hooded windsurf suit.  I have had it for 3 years. Bob

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Well, I learned a couple years ago at IMH that it is sort of rude, not to mention wasting time to pee along side the road.   It was the beginning of the run and I was in a bad way.  Now, Alii drive does not offer many opportunities to get into the bushes.  I  was running close behind a female triathlete and noticed her stride change slightly and also that a lot of fluid was running down her legs.  Hummm, no aid station so it was not water poured over her head.   Well why not try,  and guess what,  I will never run into the bushes again nor run for one of those unsanitary porta potties. Please do not do this while passing through an aid station though and as on the bike, give some consideration to those close behind you. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of pee….. I ALWAYS have to relieve myself when I get out of T2.  It doesn’t matter if it’s a short sprint, Olympic distance, or long workout. Whenever I go from the bike to the run, I have to ‘go’.  Is this common? Well, it’s definitely true for me in 1/2 IM’s, much to my chagrin and to the detriment of my bike splits, since they usually tack your transition times on to your bike time  I swear I wasted a full minute at Vineman this year bouncing back and forth between these two portajohns that were 20 yards apart at the run start.  Every time someone would pop out of one, I’d head toward it, but before I’d get there someone else would slip in, so I’d head back toward the other one, and the same thing would happen—AARRRGH! I was appalled to see a male athlete’s solution to this problem, however. 1/4 mile into the run, out in the middle of the vineyard, he stepped in between the rows of grapevines and relieved himself right there.  I couldn’t believe it, it was so RUDE.  I mean, couldn’t he have waited ’til the first aid station?  Or couldn’t he at least have gone off to the other side of the trail, which was just bushes and trees and scrub? I feel sorry for whoever buys the wine made from *those* grapes.  :p — Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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GMP1993 says… Can you pee in it? Sure but just remember that a recent study into shark attacks pointed out that a majority of surfers who were attacked had pee’d in their wetsuits shortly before being attacked leading the researchers to believe that the sharks were attracted to the concentrated urine.

I’d pee in my wetsuit too if a shark attacked me!! By the way, how do these researchers distinguish pre-shark attack pee from post-shark attack pee??                                 -Barnacle Bill Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I’d pee in my wetsuit too if a shark attacked me!! By the way, how do these researchers distinguish pre-shark attack pee from post-shark attack pee??                                -Barnacle Bill

Apparently they interviewed the survivors and determined from them what happed just prior to the attack. Of course the researchers may well have come up with the wrong conclusion.  The survivors may have pee’d in their wetsuits but did the non-survivors? It may turn out that the smell of urine actually turned the shark away thus saving the life of the attackee. AJ (Slowly reaching enlightenment) — If swimming is so good for the figure, explain whales Simon Haigh Illawarra Triathlon Club – Australia http://members.xoom.com/ajsimon/index.htm    

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Speaking of pee….. I ALWAYS have to relieve myself when I get out of T2.  It doesn’t matter if it’s a short sprint, Olympic distance, or long workout. Whenever I go from the bike to the run, I have to ‘go’.  Is this common? Thanx When you have to go, you have to go.  I’ll take the risk.

–  Gus Coll                     o    "Life is short.                   __o       </_    Learn fast!"     /o__       _ <_     __/      

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Just swam a couple miles at the local YMCA the other day. Had to pee twice. What do you do on 2.4 mile swim in a race with a wetsuit on? Can you pee in it? Man I dont know if I could go that far without having to pee. But come to think of it, I think they let you run on the beach for 50 yards halfway thru the race…maybe that will be my chance. Any thoughts? Its the Pineman Mohican…love to hear your ideas….

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Speaking of pee….. I ALWAYS have to relieve myself when I get out of T2.  It doesn’t matter if it’s a short sprint, Olympic distance, or long workout. Whenever I go from the bike to the run, I have to ‘go’.  Is this common?

Well, it’s definitely true for me in 1/2 IM’s, much to my chagrin and to the detriment of my bike splits, since they usually tack your transition times on to your bike time  I swear I wasted a full minute at Vineman this year bouncing back and forth between these two portajohns that were 20 yards apart at the run start.  Every time someone would pop out of one, I’d head toward it, but before I’d get there someone else would slip in, so I’d head back toward the other one, and the same thing would happen—AARRRGH! I was appalled to see a male athlete’s solution to this problem, however. 1/4 mile into the run, out in the middle of the vineyard, he stepped in between the rows of grapevines and relieved himself right there.  I couldn’t believe it, it was so RUDE.  I mean, couldn’t he have waited ’til the first aid station?  Or couldn’t he at least have gone off to the other side of the trail, which was just bushes and trees and scrub? I feel sorry for whoever buys the wine made from *those* grapes.  :p — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Hmmm… does that apply to mountain lions, rattlesnakes, etc.?

Believe it or not, rattlesnakes do have a keen sense of smell.  One recommended deterent is to actually leave dog feces by/under your fence. Certainly won’t stop a rattlesnake, but most (given the choice) will avoid the area. Pat

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for everyone doing IMCali- i read or heard that sharks are attracted to the smell of urine, even hour old smells.

this was a study done either in Australia or New Zealand. Of course for the Mohican Pineman (freshwater Ohio swim) you don’t have to worry about sharks so go for it if you need to. pat

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I was appalled to see a male athlete’s solution to this problem, however. 1/4 mile into the run, out in the middle of the vineyard, he stepped in between the rows of grapevines and relieved himself right there.  I couldn’t believe it, it was so RUDE.  I mean, couldn’t he have waited ’til the first aid station?  Or couldn’t he at least have gone off to the other side of the trail, which was just bushes and trees and scrub? I feel sorry for whoever buys the wine made from *those* grapes.  :p — Tri-Baby

I wonder if Tri-Baby wants some cheese with that WHINE?  ;-) D.J. "Has anyone told you how nice you look today? If not, Tri-Baby, let me be the first." (IRONKID)

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What do you do on 2.4 mile swim in a race with a wetsuit on? Can you pee in it?

for everyone doing IMCali- i read or heard that sharks are attracted to the smell of urine, even hour old smells.  something to keep in mind since they just spotted a 10ft great white off la jolla. todd sandiego

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for everyone doing IMCali- i read or heard that sharks are attracted to the smell of urine, even hour old smells.  something to keep in mind since they just spotted a 10ft great white off la jolla.

I have heard them state this over and over. Saying that this is a factor is shark attacks. If that were the case then every surfer and triathlete who ever entered the ocean should have been attacked by now, because you know that we all do it! Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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i never,ever pee in my wetsuit;^) todd sandiego

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GMP1993 says… Can you pee in it?

Sure but just remember that a recent study into shark attacks pointed out that a majority of surfers who were attacked had pee’d in their wetsuits shortly before being attacked leading the researchers to believe that the sharks were attracted to the concentrated urine. However as I’ve said several times it would have to be either a really stupid shark or a real hungry one to stay in the same general area as several hundred thrashing triathletes. AJ (whos glad he’s a MOP swimmer) — If swimming is so good for the figure, explain whales Simon Haigh Illawarra Triathlon Club – Australia http://members.xoom.com/ajsimon/index.htm    

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for everyone doing IMCali- i read or heard that sharks are attracted to the smell of urine, even hour old smells.  something to keep in mind since they just spotted a 10ft great white off la jolla.

Hmmm… does that apply to mountain lions, rattlesnakes, etc.? David "it’s an inside joke on the IMCA comment page…"/ FEY2K (remove spaces) at att dot net

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Would you be taking about La jolla cove? I swam there a week or so ago and I have to admit that the thought crossed my mind once or twice!! Kris Estes Flagstaff, AZ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you do on 2.4 mile swim in a race with a wetsuit on? Can you pee in it? for everyone doing IMCali- i read or heard that sharks are attracted to the smell of urine, even hour old smells.  something to keep in mind since they just spotted a 10ft great white off la jolla. todd sandiego

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"I think they let you run on the beach for 50 yards halfway thru the race…maybe that will be my chance. Any thoughts? Its the Pineman Mohican…love to hear your ideas…." Hey I’m doing that race and was worried about my tender feet running 50 yards on the beach.  Don’t make me have to dodge your puddles too! —

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When you have to go, you have to go.  I’ll take the risk.

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does anyone have the web site for vineman? thanks sue

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does anyone have the web site for vineman? www.vineman.com

Thanks for the quick reply.  But then was disappointed to see there is no info on it except to print out a entry form!!!!  Thats already in the mail. sue

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does anyone have the web site for vineman?

Inside Tri has it listed as www.vineman,com.

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Although I love Russ and his race, their internet presence is lacking to say the least. It might not give you much info, but hey, its better than swimming in that damn river! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone have the web site for vineman? thanks sue

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does anyone have the web site for vineman?

www.vineman.com — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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   Easton Full aero ( ie  Felt )   Triathlon frame   650 c wheels  carbon aero Profile fork   ultegra 8 speed  bar end shifters on scott aero bars   no pedals   brand new   never been ridden    valued       $2000.00  CAN   will sell for   $1200.00 CAN with full warranty  ( $800.00 US )                           steve

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<warning on full warranty? from who? from what company? I have a list of 4 people who have bought bikes from you over the internet  (all of whom contacted me with their troubles)  and paid their deposit and haven’t gotten the orders in over a year. Then your business went bankrupt. Don’t buy form this guy unless it’s at least COD and then open and check your delivery before accepting it. <warning off cheers -jason ps- we’ve been through the high velocity story on this news group before and rick d (not from the weekly top 40) got mad cause i mentioned the name of the owner. this is why. he’s back and i don’t want people to get riped off.    Easton Full aero ( ie  Felt )   Triathlon frame   650 c wheels  carbon aero Profile fork   ultegra 8 speed  bar end shifters on scott aero bars   no pedals   brand new   never been ridden    valued       $2000.00  CAN   will sell for   $1200.00 CAN with full warranty  ( $800.00 US )                           steve

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Hi there! Just wondering if anyone here has trained for and done well in the marathon on 4 runs a week.  The reason I ask is that I’m presently training for my 3rd marathon and hoping to PB.  Secretly, I’d like to go from a 4:10 (MCM-Oct/97) to ~3:50 (Vancouver-May/98).  According to my 10K times, I should be able to do better than 4:10 (10K PB 47:48). The manager at the health club where I teach aerobics has helped me set up a new training schedule and cut down my running time quite a bit.  (I should note that she is a World Cup cyclist and competitive triathlete) With this new schedule, I’ll be running 4 times (2 short/fast (Tue./Sat.), 1 mid-length (Wed.) and 1 long (Sun.)), swimming 40-45 minutes (Mon., Tues., Thurs.), teaching 1-2 aerobic classes/week and spinning (cycling class) 1-2 week.  I will be taking Fridays completely off. The reason I wanted to change my schedule was that I found myself to be always tired.  I was working out every day and already exhausted in week 3 of a 16-week training program.  I should also note that after the marathon I’m planning on trying triathlons so the swimming and cycling as cross-training will hopefully help. If anyone has ever trained for a marathon this way, I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Ann

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I think that many of us know that feeling of getting into a new training plan only to discover that we may not be prepared for that next level of commitment.  Last year I discovered that it was difficult to train high mileage for a marathon and also put in the quality time in the pool and on the bike without feeling tired all the time.  My workouts became an endless stream instead of something to look forward to.  You can’t improve without rest. Now I’m still training for a marathon this year in addition to the triathlons but I break up the year into different training goals. From fall to late Dec I try to establish a good base for swim, bike and run. Jan and Feb I concentrate on swimming and running, with 3 workouts in the pool and only 4 running workouts per week.  One difference you may want to add to your workout schedule is taking the day off after your long runs on Sunday.  As the mileage adds up, your body will thank you for taking a break the next day. Jeff Baltimore, MD

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Well ,to your 4 day a week question,yes and no.Yes ,I am training primarly that way,but no I haven’t ran the marathon yet.We are doing Tybee island marathon on Feb. 7.So I will be able to do a race report about it when we get back.I have pace.wed-bike,Thur-run hills–8Mi.,Fri. bike intervals on compu-t and short recovery run after work,Sat.-off,Sun. long run.So we’ll see how the race goes.I’ve did other marathons with more running but I have been recovering with more off days(?)We’ll see.Good luck on your marathon,I’ll post on how Tybee goes.My pr is 3:37,I hope to go under 3:30. Keep your fingers crossed for us.My wife is running it too(she hopes to go under 3:40,which will qualify her for Boston).                     Randy+Sue   GFT 98!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there! Just wondering if anyone here has trained for and done well in the marathon on 4 runs a week.  The reason I ask is that I’m presently training for my 3rd marathon and hoping to PB.  Secretly, I’d like to go from a 4:10 (MCM-Oct/97) to ~3:50 (Vancouver-May/98).  According to my 10K times, I should be able to do better than 4:10 (10K PB 47:48). The manager at the health club where I teach aerobics has helped me set up a new training schedule and cut down my running time quite a bit.  (I should note that she is a World Cup cyclist and competitive triathlete) With this new schedule, I’ll be running 4 times (2 short/fast (Tue./Sat.), 1 mid-length (Wed.) and 1 long (Sun.)), swimming 40-45 minutes (Mon., Tues., Thurs.), teaching 1-2 aerobic classes/week and spinning (cycling class) 1-2 week.  I will be taking Fridays completely off. The reason I wanted to change my schedule was that I found myself to be always tired.  I was working out every day and already exhausted in week 3 of a 16-week training program.  I should also note that after the marathon I’m planning on trying triathlons so the swimming and cycling as cross-training will hopefully help. If anyone has ever trained for a marathon this way, I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Ann

Ann! I would say certainly can do a PR on 4 days a week.  I think that a 4 day/wk schd. is really better.  Just be sure your fast runs are fast. They can be short. And your long runs are long (ie work up to better than 20 mi a couple of times before your race).  I think this sort of schd. lets you recover which will better let you improve. Larry

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Thanks Larry! It’s so nice to be getting some positive feedback…. I must admit that I find it kind of scary to go from 5-6 runs down to 4 but I was just so exhausted all the time trying to run, swim, spin, teach aerobics, work, etc., etc,. etc. I’m starting on the schedule this week.  Actually just swam today and tomorrow (Tue.) will swim in the morning and go for a fast 8K run after work.  With a ~46:?? 10K, I really hope to bring my marathon to 3:50 from 4:10 on this training program. Thanks again Ann D. Aylmer Quebec – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ann! I would say certainly can do a PR on 4 days a week.  I think that a 4 day/wk schd. is really better.  Just be sure your fast runs are fast. They can be short. And your long runs are long (ie work up to better than 20 mi a couple of times before your race).  I think this sort of schd. lets you recover which will better let you improve. Larry

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I trained for my last marathon with about four days of training. I’m sorta injury prone so rest is a must. I would run 10 miles on wednesday and then one weekend run a 20 mile run and then the next weekend do a 15 mile run. So basically it was two very good workouts per week with the rest of the days just keeping the legs loose. Results 3:36 in Vulcan Marathon. Not record speed, but not too bad either!

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Just wondering if anyone here has trained for and done well in the marathon on 4 runs a week.

  [snip] Looks like a perfectly reasonable schedule to me. The manager at your health club might be a World Cup cyclist, but that doesn’t *necessarily* mean she’s best placed to offer training advice. But if she’s offered this as a tenatative plan, and is ready to help you update your regime as necessary, you should be fine. Always keep your training plans flexible. The question of no-running v. easy-running days is something where each individual must find the best play off. With your old schedule leaving you permanently tired, a reduction to 4 running days might be perfect, especially when combined with your extensive cross-training. Your marathon training wants to be oriented around that weekly long run. It should be the focal point, fit everything else in around that. Have you established an appropriate pace/HR for your long run? The other thing you’ll need to develop is the ability to hold (3:50/42.2) 5:25 /km (8:45 /mile) for nearly 4 hours without your legs turning to jelly after 30km. The obvious answer might be long training runs at marathon race pace. The downside is that you can end up tearing yourself down more than building up. A few judiciously placed races (10km, HMara) as part of your marathon build-up would be appropriate for an experienced runner.   Miles — Cut the 0_fin~SPAM_  to email back to me

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Your marathon training wants to be oriented around that weekly long run. It should be the focal point, fit everything else in around that. Have you established an appropriate pace/HR for your long run?

Although I run with a HR monitor, I’m still unsure as to what my true max is.  This summer I was running 10Ks with an avg HR of 192 so I assume my max is pretty high.  As an example, I ran my long run this Sunday with a pretty fast group (for me) and we did the run 10 minutes / walk 1 and my avg HR was 171.  When I did my short fast run on Saturday my avg HR was 177.  There doesn’t seem to be that much of a difference between the two so maybe I’m running too fast on my long run.  Admittedly, I ran with a group that’s training for a 3:30 marathon and my best is 4:10.  I’d be thrilled to run a 3:40 as that would qualify me for Boston… Thanks for the advice. Ann D. Aylmer Quebec

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your marathon training wants to be oriented around that weekly long run. It should be the focal point, fit everything else in around that. Have you established an appropriate pace/HR for your long run? Although I run with a HR monitor, I’m still unsure as to what my true max is.  This summer I was running 10Ks with an avg HR of 192 so I assume my max is pretty high.  As an example, I ran my long run this Sunday with a pretty fast group (for me) and we did the run 10 minutes / walk 1 and my avg HR was 171.  When I did my short fast run on Saturday my avg HR was 177.  There doesn’t seem to be that much of a difference between the two so maybe I’m running too fast on my long run.  Admittedly, I ran with a group that’s training for a 3:30 marathon and my best is 4:10.  I’d be thrilled to run a 3:40 as that would qualify me for Boston…

Be careful doing your long run with the 3:30 crowd if you suspect your current ability is still around the 4:10 mark. Choosing an appropriate LSD pace can vary due to the broad range of running abilites. The recommendation that I like (and use) is 10km race pace + 90-120s /mile (Glover’s "New Competitive Distance Runner"). Using an HRM, one possibility, short of a full blown GXT, is to go for a run at your 10km race pace + 120s, then use that HR as your baseline for LSD. The big advantage here is that you’ve tailored your training against your PERSONAL current abilities. Well, ok, so the 90-120s is generalised, but there you go. Another option is to use a generalised % of MHR or Karnoven range. 70-75% is often suggested. But this really is a "one size fits all" approach, and what you really want to be doing is gearing your training run to YOUR current AT. But try it out, maybe it’ll ‘feel’ right. As a further complication, I see you’re including walk breaks into your long runs. Not sure how that affects these suggestions.   Miles — Cut the 0_fin~SPAM_  to email back to me

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HELP!  I feel like a dork with hairy legs!  Well, I mean I feel like a bigger dork if I can’t shave the old gams.

if your legs are super sensitive, or you slice yourself up too much… try getting a regular haircutting buzzer (around $20) and use it on the shortest setting without the plastic guides. It is equiv to about a 1 week stubble, but is quick, easy, and painless…  :) Dan Sorry I have had to obsfucate my address, I am getting way too much junk mail from newsgroup SSSSSSSpammers! Since I have accepted the fact that I probably won’t make $50,000 in three days, and I don’t want to resell 1800 phone lines, I had better make a minimal effort to protect my email address…

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From the local Pharmacist, Watch your use of Advil during hard training that may leave you dehydrated. Advil is cleared thru the kidney, and dehydration will increase the work your kidney must do to "process" the Advil. High doses of Advil (long term), can be tough on the kidney’s delicate systems. If you must use Advil or other NSAIDS, be sure you remain well hydrated! Acetaminophen (Tylenol) may be safer if your liver is healthy. Hydration will have less effect on Tylenol. Paul Crowther RP IronBut

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I find that Ibuprofen makes me light headed and dizzy. Anyone else ever have this problem. Someone told me it could be an allergic reaction. Patrick Vincent Phoenix, Arizona

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Does anyone have information on the extensive use of Ibuprofen?  Like many traithletes, I take this anti-inflamatory nearly everyday during triathlon season.  This means that for eight months of the year I ingest this stuff and I’m sure many people would benefit from knowing exactly the possible side effects and long term effects of the drug. Thanks, Ken

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 Does anyone have information on the extensive use of Ibuprofen?

A good reference on Ibuprofen (Advil) cautions and side-effects is  http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ibup.htm Patients often find these to be unreadable or overwhelming so I’ll summarize what I think is relevant to an athlete (usual disclaimers apply) 1. Ibuprofen and asprin inhibit blood clotting.  This is a bad thing if you are involved in a bike crash. 2. Intestinal bleeding, ulceration, and perforation can occur at any time, with or without warning symptoms in patients treated chronically with anti-inflammatory drugs 3. Ibuprofen is eliminated by the kidneys.  High levels of ibuprofen reduce blood flow to the kidneys which combined with dehydration (like long hot races) can be dangerous. 4. Allergic reactions.  Some people have an allergic reaction to Ibuprofen, others develop this allergy with continued use.

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 Does anyone have information on the extensive use of Ibuprofen? A good reference on Ibuprofen (Advil) cautions and side-effects is  http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ibup.htm

…snip you might want to try a new anti-inflam call relafin. It is supposed to be MUCH easier on the stomach. Dan — Sorry I have had to obsfucate my address, I am getting way too much junk mail from newsgroup SSSSSSSpammers! Since I have accepted the fact that I probably won’t make $50,000 in three days, and I don’t want to resell 1800 phone lines, I had better make a minimal effort to protect my email address…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Does anyone have information on the extensive use of Ibuprofen? A good reference on Ibuprofen (Advil) cautions and side-effects is  http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ibup.htm Patients often find these to be unreadable or overwhelming so I’ll summarize what I think is relevant to an athlete (usual disclaimers apply) 1. Ibuprofen and asprin inhibit blood clotting.  This is a bad thing if you are involved in a bike crash. 2. Intestinal bleeding, ulceration, and perforation can occur at any time, with or without warning symptoms in patients treated chronically with anti-inflammatory drugs 3. Ibuprofen is eliminated by the kidneys.  High levels of ibuprofen reduce blood flow to the kidneys which combined with dehydration (like long hot races) can be dangerous. 4. Allergic reactions.  Some people have an allergic reaction to Ibuprofen, others develop this allergy with continued use.

one other major possible side effect (which may not be an issue for many triathletes) is that IB makes it much harder for the liver to get rid of toxins from alcohol. So, if you drink a lot regularly, do NOT take a lot of IB unless you want your liver to go south rapidly… Basically it calcifies. YUCK! Dan — Sorry I have had to obsfucate my address, I am getting way too much junk mail from newsgroup SSSSSSSpammers! Since I have accepted the fact that I probably won’t make $50,000 in three days, and I don’t want to resell 1800 phone lines, I had better make a minimal effort to protect my email address…

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Does anyone have information on the extensive use of Ibuprofen?  Like many traithletes, I take this anti-inflamatory nearly everyday during triathlon season.  This means that for eight months of the year I ingest this stuff and I’m sure many people would benefit from knowing exactly the possible side effects and long term effects of the drug. Thanks, Ken

Ibuprofen, like other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), has several potential side effects. The two most frequently affected organ systems are the renal (kidneys) and gastrointestinal (GI) systems. In the case of the former, kidney damage, usually reversible, can result from chronic ingestion of NSAIDs. It may also happen as the result of short term ingestion, (i.e. one or two doses). There are contributing factors which increase the risk of renal toxicity (e.g. diabetes, dehydration). Apart from damage to the kidneys, NSAIDs alter how the kidneys regulate sodium and water balance — which may have profound consequences in hot training and racing environments. The GI system is also a site for potential damage from NSAIDs. Stomach ulcers can be a potentially serious consequence of NSAID use, particularly if the ulcers bleed. NSAIDs have also been shown to cause gastritis, and irritation elsewhere in the GI tract (e.g. diarrhea). NSAIDs also inhibit platelet function and thus contribute to bleeding. This may make injuries worse (e.g. more bleeding into a torn muscle). Finally, NSAIDs alter the function of neutrophils (one type of white blood cell). This may impair response to infectious agents — viruses and bacteria. I strongly recommend against the routine use of NSAIDs during training and racing. They will not make you faster, nor help you recover quicker. The use of these medications during very challenging conditions like an Ironman, is particularly dangerous. You may as well wear a sign, "Please kill my kidneys". NSAIDs are useful for short term treatment of overuse injuries, but it is a mistake for the athlete to rely on this treatment long term. The athlete is much better off examining the conditions that lead to the injury — both biomechanical and training schedule. If these issues are not addressed, then the injury will keep recurring. As always, if you are being treated for any illness, or injury, ask your doctor. Take care, good health and safe training to everyone! — Mark A. Jenkins, M.D proprietor, SportsMed Web http://riceinfo.rice.edu/~jenkins

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one of the side effects is that your body gets used to it.. and by now iut’s probably useless on you… — *** Any opinion expressed above is strictly my own. *** Disclaimer: I said this. My company didn’t.

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One of my neighbors, a Boston Marathon 3:02′er, almost died because they did not figure out where the blood loss was from. Luckily, someone reminded the doctor, he was taking NSAIDs.

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Dear Doc:      I was fascinated by your discusssion of Ibuprofen.  I’m a 50 year old who takes one Zantac daily for esophagitis.  In addition, my last two blood tests have indicated a moderately low platelet count (123-125). Neither my GP nor my GI doc has asked about Advil use, but it sounds from your e-mail that there are at least two reasons why I should stop using it.  When I’m training hard I will generally take one or two/day and appreciate the relief it gives for soreness, etc.  Is asprin better? Tylenol any different? Regards. P. Clapp

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I know there were some posts about this a while back which I ignored – because I didn’t have it! HELP!  I feel like a dork with hairy legs!  Well, I mean I feel like a bigger dork if I can’t shave the old gams. What’s the prognosis?  Can I shave again in a while?  Will anti-bacterial soap, fresh razor blades or anything help traditional shaving?  Electric razor better than straight razor? If that doesn’t work – what about any permanent hair removal systems?  How about waxing? All advice welcome!  Thanks in advance for your help! Bob Johnson Largo, FL

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I use the Gillette Sensor (gray blades with little rubber things) and they work great.  Throw away razors make me look like I was attacked by a weed eater.  I also use shaving cream, take your choice, I like the gel type….   have fun… I know there were some posts about this a while back which I ignored –

because I didn’t have it! HELP!  I feel like a dork with hairy legs!  Well, I mean I feel like a

bigger dork if I can’t shave the old gams. What’s the prognosis?  Can I shave again in a while?  Will anti-bacterial

soap, fresh razor blades or anything help traditional shaving?  Electric razor better than straight razor? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If that doesn’t work – what about any permanent hair removal systems? How about waxing? All advice welcome!  Thanks in advance for your help! Bob Johnson Largo, FL

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I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… After all the stories we’ve shared on health, wealth, and pee-ing it would be nice to be able to recognize some of you at the races. Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"? have any interest in this idea? I think it would be fun to have a little something to add to your singlet or on a warm-up jacket. Anybody else into this idea? D Emerging Technology Services    - innovative mechanical product development    - software application development/management

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I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"?

I agree completely.  I thought QRman had something up his sleeve, but I haven’t heard anything about it for a month or so.  I’m sure someone can come up with something cool.  Happy miles. Joel R. Falk Northwestern University, Evanston, IL.   USA

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I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"?

How about one of those temporary tatoos? Like the TYR ones that look so good on Wendy Ingraham? Would be cool to have a screaming red RST on the shoulder and thigh, which could later be washed off. Who is in that business? Brian Sullivan

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Sounds like a good idea. Small iron on, helmet decal, temporary tattoo? Any enterprising printers out there? Logo? winged shoe stuck in a grate. Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… After all the stories we’ve shared on health, wealth, and pee-ing it would be nice to be able to recognize some of you at the races. Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"? have any interest in this idea? I think it would be fun to have a little something to add to your singlet or on a warm-up jacket. Anybody else into this idea? D Emerging Technology Services    - innovative mechanical product development    - software application development/management

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Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"? have any interest in this idea? I think it would be fun to have a little something to add to your singlet or on a warm-up jacket.

        Just look for the piss-smelling racers after T2. Sorry. "Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep, Is cheaper than them uniforms,an’ they’re starvation cheap;"                                                 Rudyard Kipling, 1892

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I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"? How about one of those temporary tatoos? Like the TYR ones that look so good on Wendy Ingraham? Would be cool to have a screaming red RST on the shoulder and thigh, which could later be washed off. Who is in that business?

I have actually located a place that makes these.  I’ve been kinda doing this subersively until I could get a handle on it.  I would be game to help out with this effort.  I was trying to figure out a good "no drafting" logo for the tatoos.   A good RST logo would be good too. John (oh no, I hope I haven’t gotten in over my head) K.

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John – Don’t get too fancy on a tatoo design. Just bold letters, in italics to make them go fast, in red, that say RST in caps. It will look great. I will help finance up-front if you need help! How about one of those temporary tatoos? Like the TYR ones that look so good on Wendy Ingraham? Would be cool to have a screaming red RST on the shoulder and thigh, which could later be washed off. Who is in that business? I have actually located a place that makes these.  I’ve been kinda doing this subersively until I could get a handle on it.  I would be game to help out with this effort.  I was trying to figure out a good "no drafting" logo for the tatoos.   A good RST logo would be good too. John (oh no, I hope I haven’t gotten in over my head) K.

OUCH! ™ Brian Sullivan

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(BPSullivan) writes: How about one of those temporary tatoos? Like the TYR ones that look so good on Wendy Ingraham? Would be cool to have a screaming red RST on the shoulder and thigh, which could later be washed off. Who is in that business? Brian Sullivan

Oooh…. good brainstorm Brian!! I LIKE it!!  And it would make locating other rst’ers so much easier at the races!   Roxanne

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Sounds like a good idea. Small iron on, helmet decal, temporary tattoo? Any enterprising printers out there? Logo? winged shoe stuck in a grate. Jon

TEMPORARY tatoo? Hey where’s your allegence?  I say we all get the real thing!  That logo is a grate, er ugh I mean great, idea! -hug

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we ought to have a special handshake, or an iron-on logo for our race wear… Anybody have a good line on iron-on stuff? a cool design? maybe just small type that says ".rec.sport.triathlon"? How about one of those temporary tatoos? Like the TYR ones that look so good on Wendy Ingraham? Would be cool to have a screaming red RST on the shoulder and thigh, which could later be washed off. Who is in that business? I have actually located a place that makes these.  I’ve been kinda doing this subersively until I could get a handle on it.  I would be game to help out with this effort.  I was trying to figure out a good "no drafting" logo for the tatoos.   A good RST logo would be good too. John (oh no, I hope I haven’t gotten in over my head) K.

Yes, yes, yes!!! — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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Well….what’s the status of the new Team RST logo????  Last I heard QRMan was coming up with a new version. Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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: : I have actually located a place that makes these.  I’ve been kinda doing : this subersively until I could get a handle on it.  I would be game to : help out with this effort.  I was trying to figure out a good "no drafting" : logo for the tatoos.   A good RST logo would be good too. : : John (oh no, I hope I haven’t gotten in over my head) K. : If we could get this going I would be willing to be a Canadian "Distributor" so that only one order has to go across the border.  Let the logo suggestions come rolling in! Ray

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Anyone here know of any running groups in Hamilton, Ontario? Thanks! Jamie —

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Hi Jamie, there are several groups in Hamilton: 1. The Harriers. They run as a group three times per week (wed: 6pm?, Sat:8am, and Sun: 9am) from the side entrance of the Hamilton YMCA.  Membership is $15/yr, but its ok to show a couple of times and run with them before joining.   The Harriers are mostly recreational runners with a few serious individuals. Most of the runners tend to be their 30s and 40s. Distances range from 5k to marathon. The Runners Edge at 811 King West (522-3073) organizes most of the races in the area and they can provide contact names for the Hamilton Harriers and the Hamilton Olympic Club. 2. Burlington Harriers. They tend to be more serious about their running.  Contact the Hamilton YMCA for more information. 2. The Hamilton Olympic Club. Focus on competitive racing in the shorter distances: 400m, 800m, 1500m, 5k and 10k.  Mostly highschool age runners with a few people in their 20s.  I don’t know the membership cost, maybe in $50 range. 3. McMaster xc club. They are now into their indoor track season.  I believe they accept runners from the community.  The coach is Peter Self.  Contact the phys. ed. department at McMaster (525-9140) to get a tel. number. 4. McMaster Triathlon club. They have coaching and accept members from the community.  Cost is around $200 per year.  Lots of cross-training.  They tend to be fairly serious about training.  Again, contact McMaster for more infor. Good luck Chris

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If I am correct, in 1993 Thomas Hellriegel turned 18, which makes him 20 now.  I was living in Germany in 1993 and it was big news that he won the German short course championship in his first year as a senior acing out Holgar Lorenz who recently won Ironman Australia. Ed

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At Lanzarote Thomas Hellriegel was racing in the age group 18-24 years. As far as I know he’s actually 24 years old which is still quite young for a successfull triathlete imho. Harry

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:In http://www.emporiumone.com/Triathlete/RaceResults/Current/lazarote.html :I can see that the winner – Thomas Hellriegel – of the Lanzarote Ironman is :just 18 years old. Is this correct? If it is, he must be really gifted or :in immediate danger of burning out before he turns 20. : No danger. He is in the 18-24 agegroup. This always seems to be a problem to people – last year the 7th finisher in Lanzarote was declared to be 18 (Krommidas) because of winning the 18-24 age group. Thomas Hellriegel was born in 1971, which makes him 24 this year. He was the german short (olympic?) distance champion in 1992, his first senior year, since the junior years are 18,19 and 20. :/Peter :– eter Ellehauge            Voice: +45 42 84 50 11                        o ansk Data Elektronik A/S  Fax:   +45 42 84 52 20        ~__^o_   __o   <| :X.400:  /g=Peter/s=Ellehauge/prmd=dde/admd=dk400/c=dk/         (_)/(_)   / —                             Ulrich Porsch             Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles  

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In http://www.emporiumone.com/Triathlete/RaceResults/Current/lazarote.html I can see that the winner – Thomas Hellriegel – of the Lanzarote Ironman is just 18 years old. Is this correct? If it is, he must be really gifted or in immediate danger of burning out before he turns 20. /Peter — Peter Ellehauge            Voice: +45 42 84 50 11                        o Dansk Data Elektronik A/S  Fax:   +45 42 84 52 20        ~__^o_   __o   <| X.400:  /g=Peter/s=Ellehauge/prmd=dde/admd=dk400/c=dk/         (_)/(_)   /

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In http://www.emporiumone.com/Triathlete/RaceResults/Current/lazarote.html I can see that the winner – Thomas Hellriegel – of the Lanzarote Ironman is just 18 years old. Is this correct? If it is, he must be really gifted or in immediate danger of burning out before he turns 20. /Peter — Peter Ellehauge            Voice: +45 42 84 50 11                        o Dansk Data Elektronik A/S  Fax:   +45 42 84 52 20        ~__^o_   __o   <| X.400:  /g=Peter/s=Ellehauge/prmd=dde/admd=dk400/c=dk/         (_)/(_)   /

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If I am correct, in 1993 Thomas Hellriegel turned 18, which makes him 20 now.  I was living in Germany in 1993 and it was big news that he won the German short course championship in his first year as a senior acing out Holgar Lorenz who recently won Ironman Australia. Ed

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i don’t know his age but since he has been seen with the pros for 2 or 3 years, i don’t think he is 18!!!

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