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— an absolutely wonderful and emotional report <sniff!!!

Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing! IMCal was my first IM and I know exactly what you mean about how special family is. Congratulations on your special accomplishment! Our prayers are with your father, you and your family. David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 – 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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Al,  well done and thanks for sharing.  It really isn’t all about finishing times is it.  You made a tough decision whether to go or not, but it was the right decision.  I’m sure your dad would agree.  Three IM’s in one season.  Wow, you’ve earned a well deserved rest.  Take care. Chappy Before you buy.

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AN INTRODUCTION Many of you, my friends, family, and clients, have asked about Hawaii and the Ironman

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I bought the Timex HRM about 3 months and use just about every day for riding and running but not in the pool.  zero complaints from me. Works great in almost conditions that I have been in this summer. I have in the past owned 3 different Polor HRM’s and was very dissapointed each time though.   brent

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P.S. FWIW, I’ve heard similar complaints to yours about the Timex HRM.  Can you return it to where you bought it from? P.P.S. I haven’t tried swimming with my Soprts Instruments/Nashbar HRM so I can’t vouch for it’s waterproofness or efficacy there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a Sports Instrument Circuit 5 that I have had for a few months now and I’m pretty happy with it.  I picked it up for $45 from Supergo.  I think they are sold out, but the same model is available at Nashbar with a something-5 designation for ~$70.  The "5" has a stopwatch, a large HR display that also shows the stopwatch or clock , average HR for the workout, and a backlight, plus all the alarms, zones, yadda, yadda, yadda.  It also comes with a nice Velcro band. I bought a Timex Heart Rate Monitor to use in preparation for my first triathlon.  It seems to work rather sporadically.  It never works in the pool.  I get a lot of signal lost or com error.   When biking and running it seems to get stuck and will stay at the same heart train for my whole session.  About once a week it seems to work absolutely perfect. My question is: 1) Do heart-rate monitors work when swimming? Both of the Polar HRMs I’ve had worked in the pool with no problem. 2) Can anybody refer me to a good comparison on the different brands.  I’m not ready to spend $ 300 on an HRM (I’m saving for a new bike) – is it possible to get something reliable in the $ 100 range? I believe so . . . depending on what features you want. Polar is pretty much the gold standard, and they have a fairly diverse product line, so you should be able to find something from them – ( www.polarusa.com ) Nashbar is also a good bet – lots of people ’round here have Nashbar HRMs and like them ( www.nashbar.com ). Those are the only two brands I’ve heard good things about. MarathRon ORN: 4mi yesterday, 4mi today, 14mi tomorrow. Before you buy. Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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I bought a Timex Heart Rate Monitor to use in preparation for my first triathlon.  It seems to work rather sporadically.  It never works in the pool.  I get a lot of signal lost or com error.   When biking and running it seems to get stuck and will stay at the same heart train for my whole session.  About once a week it seems to work absolutely perfect. My question is: 1) Do heart-rate monitors work when swimming? 2) Can anybody refer me to a good comparison on the different brands.  I’m not ready to spend $ 300 on an HRM (I’m saving for a new bike) – is it possible to get something reliable in the $ 100 range? Thanks. Vicki

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I bought a Timex Heart Rate Monitor to use in preparation for my first triathlon.  It seems to work rather sporadically.  It never works in the pool.  I get a lot of signal lost or com error.   When biking and running it seems to get stuck and will stay at the same heart train for my whole session.  About once a week it seems to work absolutely perfect. My question is: 1) Do heart-rate monitors work when swimming?

Both of the Polar HRMs I’ve had worked in the pool with no problem. 2) Can anybody refer me to a good comparison on the different brands.  I’m not ready to spend $ 300 on an HRM (I’m saving for a new bike) – is it possible to get something reliable in the $ 100 range?

I believe so . . . depending on what features you want. Polar is pretty much the gold standard, and they have a fairly diverse product line, so you should be able to find something from them – ( www.polarusa.com ) Nashbar is also a good bet – lots of people ’round here have Nashbar HRMs and like them ( www.nashbar.com ). Those are the only two brands I’ve heard good things about. MarathRon ORN: 4mi yesterday, 4mi today, 14mi tomorrow. Before you buy.

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If you’re looking to buy a new one and want a Polar, I just did a bunch of comparison shopping, and the best price I found was at www.shoplite.com.  You might also check Mercata.  Shoplite had the best price for the Accurex Plus, I would imagine they’re about the best price on other models.  You could probably get a decent model for ~$100 (the Pacer, or so).  I’ve also heard good things about Cardiosport HRMs.  You can replace the batteries on a Cardiosport yourself.  YMMV, not affiliated with any of the above mentioned stores. Scott Hoffman Before you buy.

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My question is: 1) Do heart-rate monitors work when swimming?

Yes, they should 2) Can anybody refer me to a good comparison on the different brands.  I’m not ready to spend $ 300 on an HRM (I’m saving for a new bike) – is it possible to get something reliable in the $ 100 range?

As mentioned, Polar is the benchmark in this field, although there are several good brands. I know that both Performance and Nashbar sell a Polar Protrainer NV (Night Vision – means it’s backlit) in the $120-130 range.  Also, Performance sells refurbished Protrainers and Accurexes (NOT the newer Accurex Plus that sells for $200+) for $80-100. Both these models have just about everything you need short of computer downloading capability and cycle functions.  Both transmit in the water, and are EKG accurate.  Will give you the workout time you spent below, in, and above the target heart rate range you specify.  Both will give you a post-workout heart rate recovery number and have multiple lap timers. Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in Performance, Nashbar, or Polar . . .blah, blah.  Just a very satisfied user. – Bruce in Atlanta Before you buy.

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I’ve got a Sports Instrument Circuit 5 that I have had for a few months now and I’m pretty happy with it.  I picked it up for $45 from Supergo.  I think they are sold out, but the same model is available at Nashbar with a something-5 designation for ~$70.  The "5" has a stopwatch, a large HR display that also shows the stopwatch or clock , average HR for the workout, and a backlight, plus all the alarms, zones, yadda, yadda, yadda.  It also comes with a nice Velcro band. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a Timex Heart Rate Monitor to use in preparation for my first triathlon.  It seems to work rather sporadically.  It never works in the pool.  I get a lot of signal lost or com error.   When biking and running it seems to get stuck and will stay at the same heart train for my whole session.  About once a week it seems to work absolutely perfect. My question is: 1) Do heart-rate monitors work when swimming? Both of the Polar HRMs I’ve had worked in the pool with no problem. 2) Can anybody refer me to a good comparison on the different brands.  I’m not ready to spend $ 300 on an HRM (I’m saving for a new bike) – is it possible to get something reliable in the $ 100 range? I believe so . . . depending on what features you want. Polar is pretty much the gold standard, and they have a fairly diverse product line, so you should be able to find something from them – ( www.polarusa.com ) Nashbar is also a good bet – lots of people ’round here have Nashbar HRMs and like them ( www.nashbar.com ). Those are the only two brands I’ve heard good things about. MarathRon ORN: 4mi yesterday, 4mi today, 14mi tomorrow. Before you buy.

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Baby oil works great – even after a year! ……. David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another wetsuit marking question: In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea. If it comes off easily, why mark it in the first place?  If it doesn’t come off, that’s no good.  If it comes off with chemicals, won’t they hurt the neoprene? Mark Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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Don’t worry – the Vineman people have the metallic pen – they do the marking. Baby oil works great to remove it later. ……. David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the same question for Vineman – where do we get a metallic pen??? Another wetsuit marking question: In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea. If it comes off easily, why mark it in the first place?  If it doesn’t come off, that’s no good.  If it comes off with chemicals, won’t they hurt the neoprene? Mark Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t worry – the Vineman people have the metallic pen – they do the marking. Baby oil works great to remove it later. ……. David I have the same question for Vineman – where do we get a metallic pen??? Another wetsuit marking question: In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea.

I’m guessing that if you didn’t pull your wetsuit out of your bag you would not have to have it marked. It’s probably for identification purposes later if your suit goes astray out of your swim finish bag. At the International distance race in June they were not marking wetsuits. clm in sf — Cathy Morgan San Francisco, CA REMOVE ZZ ZZ to e-mail me.

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I have the same question for Vineman – where do we get a metallic pen??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another wetsuit marking question: In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea. If it comes off easily, why mark it in the first place?  If it doesn’t come off, that’s no good.  If it comes off with chemicals, won’t they hurt the neoprene? Mark Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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Even better: Last I heard, there were only about 2,000 members of USA Triathlon. So, you could have "US" then your race number marked on your wetsuit.  (So, competitors from other countries would not be affected and could have, say, "OZ" and their local triathlon organization’s number.) Anybody paying the one-day fee wouldn’t benefit from this idea, but we can hope that the majority of them are not regular triathlon competitors. How about it?  One number for every race?  Sure would make compiling national statistics a lot easier.

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Take it one step further and put your Social Insurance Number or Social Security number on the outside. Alastair – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even better: Last I heard, there were only about 2,000 members of USA Triathlon. So, you could have "US" then your race number marked on your wetsuit.  (So, competitors from other countries would not be affected and could have, say, "OZ" and their local triathlon organization’s number.) Anybody paying the one-day fee wouldn’t benefit from this idea, but we can hope that the majority of them are not regular triathlon competitors. How about it?  One number for every race?  Sure would make compiling national statistics a lot easier.

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Mark: I agree with you. We have offered trade in programs on older Ironman Wetsuits in the past. Consequently, I have a warehouse filled with demo/used Wetsuits. A few of these suits have metallic race numbers marked on the suit. This explains where they came from. Your right, this metallic stuff will not come off using conventional non-petroleum based products. I will run some more experiments and keep you abreast. Marking your race number on a wetsuit with a permanent marker is not a great idea. I have competed where they mark the outside of your hand with your race number. This works well for those individuals still wearing fullsuits as they enter T1. It makes more sense then scarring your wetsuit. Besides, what are the chances of you receiving race #1182 again ?? Wait a minute, maybe everyone could buy new wetsuits after each race. Keith Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits Website: www.ironmanwetsuits.com toll free order line: 800-897-6464 international calls: 804-288-6000

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another wetsuit marking question: In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea. If it comes off easily, why mark it in the first place?  If it doesn’t come off, that’s no good.  If it comes off with chemicals, won’t they hurt the neoprene? Mark Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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Another wetsuit marking question:   In the Vineman Official Program it states that you will "have your race number marked on your wetsuit with a metallic pen on race morning".  I have to say I’m not too thrilled with this idea. If it comes off easily, why mark it in the first place?  If it doesn’t come off, that’s no good.  If it comes off with chemicals, won’t they hurt the neoprene? Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: I am curious about writing my name inside my wet suit.  I seem to remember something a while back on this newsgroup about writing your name inside your suit for identification purposes.  Is this necessary? Where inside the suit do you recommend?  I bought a white craft pen but am really worried about messing up the suit.  Does it bleed through the fabric? Thanks for any responses. Janie

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I’m not sure I understand what you mean – are you suggesting that a somewhat high max HR for a trained athlete of a given age may reflect overtraining? Don’t tell that to the 61 year old triathlete I tested at Ohio State, who got to 180 during a VO2max test just a month or so before he won his age group in Hawaii. <grin FWIW, my personal experience is that when I have "overreached" (the term currently in vogue in the scientific literature, since no one has been able to reliably push athletes into an "overtrained" state in lab studies, despite up to doubling the volume of training for several weeks at a time), I can’t get up to maximum heart rate, i.e., the highest value is abnormally low, not abnormally high. Other people apparently experience the same phenomenom… I would agree. However, if you find that this is the area of your max hr, it’s possible that it reflects overtraining. (Of course it’s possible to have your max hr peak at this level and be normal.) I would say that in about half the cases like this I’ve seen, overtraining was a real possibility. Phil Maffetone

– Andrew Coggan

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<<I’m not sure I understand what you mean – are you suggesting that a somewhat high max HR for a trained athlete of a given age may reflect overtraining? Don’t tell that to the 61 year old triathlete I tested at Ohio State, who got to 180 during a VO2max test just a month or so before he won his age group in Hawaii. <grin Yes, with emphasis on the "may." Certainly the overtraining syndrome (another good name to describe this phenomenon) is not well defined and making a clinical judgement about it sometimes is tricky. In the earlier phase of overtraining, there is an over active sympathetic nervous system (I refer to as the second stage). This typically results in a higher training hr (and resting and max hr too). In some cases, before this overtraining syndrome produces performance reduction, there may be improved performance. This may be due to increased muscle power, for example, due to increased sympathetic activity (like drinking a lot of coffee), or for other reasons. <<FWIW, my personal experience is that when I have "overreached" (the term currently in vogue in the scientific literature, since no one has been able to reliably push athletes into an "overtrained" state in lab studies, despite up to doubling the volume of training for several weeks at a time), I can’t get up to maximum heart rate, i.e., the highest value is abnormally low, not abnormally high. Other people apparently experience the same phenomenom… I’ve seen the same in an office setting (on a treadmill and trainer, for example). But it’s more difficult to get the heart rate up to max in these environments. Not that it’s necessary to do this to end up overtrained. But I’m referring to an athlete’s normal environment, which is where almost all my experience lies. Also, the first indications of the overtraining syndrome may takemuch  longer than a few weeks. Phil Maffetone

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I’ve just completed a run MHR test using a treadmill and would appreciate some feed back from anyone who uses a HRM and has any experiance trying this form of test. I know to be really accurate I would need to get lab tested but that is not possible so I’m trying the next best solution. I warmed up for 15 mins, 5 on a rower and 10 on the treadmill to bring my HR up to about 60%, then stretched out for 3-4 mins. Got back onto the treadmill started the record mode on my HRM and steadily increased the speed until it was at max 14.4km/hr my HR was at 75% of (age adjusted) MHR. Now I increase the inclined by 4% on 30 sec intervals until I think I can’t keep going and give it one last burst then jump off. After 5 mins cool down and stretch, I repeat the above. On the first test my recorded MHR was 194 bpm. On the second my MHR was 208 bpm. My question is given that the general "rule of thumb" is 220bpm – age for MHR, is it possible that the second test MHR of 208 bpm is correct or a recording error. The 2 recordings prior to and after the MHR read 174,200.208,188,180 and the recording interval was 5 secs. the time interval shown on the recording just prior to the MHR matches an incline raise. I have tried this test about a year ago and achieved a MHR of 197 bpm and at that time I though there was still more to come but didn’t do a repeat test after 5 mins. Background: I’m 37, Male and have good general health and have just complete the GFT ironman, my running HR has always been higher at any given excertion compared to other people I train with.  Thanks for reading and any help.     Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland. There is no limit out there

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<<Given the extremely rapid changes in heart rate reported by your monitor, I’m very much inclined to believe that the 208 is incorrect. I would agree. However, if you find that this is the area of your max hr, it’s possible that it reflects overtraining. (Of course it’s possible to have your max hr peak at this level and be normal.) I would say that in about half the cases like this I’ve seen, overtraining was a real possibility. Phil Maffetone

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Iain, Given the extremely rapid changes in heart rate reported by your monitor, I’m very much inclined to believe that the 208 is incorrect. Maximal exercise is the most extreme challenege normally placed on the cardiovascular system, and as you approach maximum heart rate and maximum oxygen uptake, everything is usually changing quite slowly as the body tries to respond to this demand – heart rate, for example, usually only rises a couple of beats/min during the last min or two of a well-designed and executed test. I like the protocol you used to warm-up for the treadmill test, but you probably want to greatly decrease the rate at which you raise the grade once you’re ready to go. By incrementing the grade by 4% every 30 seconds starting at 70% of (predicted) maximum heart rate, you’ve raised the intensity from ~60% of VO2max to 100% of VO2max in just 2.5 min. While you can reach VO2max and maximum heart rate in such a short time period, it is quite stressful and requires a lot of motivation. A more typical protocol would entail raising the grade 2% every 2 min (with perhaps a 4% increment at the first stage). Of course, the other suggestion would be to make sure that your heart rate monitor is working properly, and not simply responding to movement artifact, but I expect that you’ve already thought of this… Andrew ("age 40, maximum heart rate 170") Coggan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just completed a run MHR test using a treadmill and would appreciate some feed back from anyone who uses a HRM and has any experiance trying this form of test. I know to be really accurate I would need to get lab tested but that is not possible so I’m trying the next best solution. I warmed up for 15 mins, 5 on a rower and 10 on the treadmill to bring my HR up to about 60%, then stretched out for 3-4 mins. Got back onto the treadmill started the record mode on my HRM and steadily increased the speed until it was at max 14.4km/hr my HR was at 75% of (age adjusted) MHR. Now I increase the inclined by 4% on 30 sec intervals until I think I can’t keep going and give it one last burst then jump off. After 5 mins cool down and stretch, I repeat the above. On the first test my recorded MHR was 194 bpm. On the second my MHR was 208 bpm. My question is given that the general "rule of thumb" is 220bpm – age for MHR, is it possible that the second test MHR of 208 bpm is correct or a recording error. The 2 recordings prior to and after the MHR read 174,200.208,188,180 and the recording interval was 5 secs. the time interval shown on the recording just prior to the MHR matches an incline raise. I have tried this test about a year ago and achieved a MHR of 197 bpm and at that time I though there was still more to come but didn’t do a repeat test after 5 mins. Background: I’m 37, Male and have good general health and have just complete the GFT ironman, my running HR has always been higher at any given excertion compared to other people I train with.  Thanks for reading and any help. Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland. There is no limit out there

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I think if you calculated some target heart rates (see http://members.spree.com/supercoach/hrcalc.htm) that you’d find a given target HR isn’t very sensitive to the value of your Max HR.. Knowing that, I’d say just pick a number, any number, provided it’s close.  In your case I’d suggest 200bpm. Then go train consistently in the correct zones — mostly aerobic, with some focused high intensity work as the season approaches — and I’ll bet your race results will approach your goals. Take care- Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just completed a run MHR test using a treadmill and would appreciate some feed back from anyone who uses a HRM and has any experiance trying this form of test. I know to be really accurate I would need to get lab tested but that is not possible so I’m trying the next best solution. I warmed up for 15 mins, 5 on a rower and 10 on the treadmill to bring my HR up to about 60%, then stretched out for 3-4 mins. Got back onto the treadmill started the record mode on my HRM and steadily increased the speed until it was at max 14.4km/hr my HR was at 75% of (age adjusted) MHR. Now I increase the inclined by 4% on 30 sec intervals until I think I can’t keep going and give it one last burst then jump off. After 5 mins cool down and stretch, I repeat the above. On the first test my recorded MHR was 194 bpm. On the second my MHR was 208 bpm. My question is given that the general "rule of thumb" is 220bpm – age for MHR, is it possible that the second test MHR of 208 bpm is correct or a recording error. The 2 recordings prior to and after the MHR read 174,200.208,188,180 and the recording interval was 5 secs. the time interval shown on the recording just prior to the MHR matches an incline raise. I have tried this test about a year ago and achieved a MHR of 197 bpm and at that time I though there was still more to come but didn’t do a repeat test after 5 mins. Background: I’m 37, Male and have good general health and have just complete the GFT ironman, my running HR has always been higher at any given excertion compared to other people I train with.  Thanks for reading and any help. Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland. There is no limit out there

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I guess if one cannot trust people to vote only once(after all this is not a presidential or prime ministerial race), can they be trusted not to draft in a draft free race???

As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." We have Charlie Crawford to do the duty of your cookie in a real race. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Not surprising to me.  That poll has no controls to prevent one person from voting several times.  Anybody who wanted to tilt the scales could just go in there and vote over and over again.  Knowing the attitude of a few people who are anti-draft, I wouldn’t put such a thing past them. I wouldn’t take the "results" of such a poll too seriously "Life’s a brick" "Drafting is not a four-letter word" I have been running a drafting or not poll on the Runner’s Web for several weeks and the results to-date are surprising, at least to me, given the rhetoric on RST. Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM: 43%   No 41%   Yes 12%   For pros only 3%   Does not matter. This poll will close at the end of May so if you wish to express your vote, do so soon. The Runner’s Web Voting Booth can be accessed from our main menu at www.runnersweb.com/running.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

Thanks for the follow-ups. The poll has been moved to a site which through the use of cookies prevents multiple voting. Time will tell if this changes the percentages. I guess if one cannot trust people to vote only once(after all this is not a presidential or prime ministerial race), can they be trusted not to draft in a draft free race??? Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Not surprising to me.  That poll has no controls to prevent one person from voting several times.  Anybody who wanted to tilt the scales could just go in there and vote over and over again.  Knowing the attitude of a few people who are pro-draft, I wouldn’t put such a thing past them.   I wouldn’t take the "results" of such a poll too seriously.

Indeed. Self-selection is the worst evil that can be perpetrated by poll-takers. It’s a guaranteed rejection in any scientific review. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Not surprising to me.  That poll has no controls to prevent one person from voting several times.  Anybody who wanted to tilt the scales could just go in there and vote over and over again.  Knowing the attitude of a few people who are anti-draft, I wouldn’t put such a thing past them. I wouldn’t take the "results" of such a poll too seriously "Life’s a brick" "Drafting is not a four-letter word"

Touche, and equally true.  At any rate, we agree that this lack of control renders the "results" of this poll meaningless. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Not surprising to me.  That poll has no controls to prevent one person from voting several times.  Anybody who wanted to tilt the scales could just go in there and vote over and over again.  Knowing the attitude of a few people who are anti-draft, I wouldn’t put such a thing past them. I wouldn’t take the "results" of such a poll too seriously "Life’s a brick" "Drafting is not a four-letter word" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been running a drafting or not poll on the Runner’s Web for several weeks and the results to-date are surprising, at least to me, given the rhetoric on RST. Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM: 43%   No 41%   Yes 12%   For pros only 3%   Does not matter. This poll will close at the end of May so if you wish to express your vote, do so soon. The Runner’s Web Voting Booth can be accessed from our main menu at www.runnersweb.com/running.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken,  Curious to know if you can track the number of times a voter  votes?  Of the 388 responses, how many different submitters  actually voted? -Richd : Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM: :  43%   No :  41%   Yes :  12%   For pros only :  3%   Does not matter. : The Runner’s Web Voting Booth can be accessed from our main menu at : www.runnersweb.com/running.html.

 The 41% yes for drafting seems inordinately high for RST. Hmmm… Chaz

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…  Curious to know if you can track the number of times a voter  votes?  Of the 388 responses, how many different submitters  actually voted?

Nope – no tracking or duplicate prevention. ;=)   Easily done with a cookie, though. Tom

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I have been running a drafting or not poll on the Runner’s Web for several weeks and the results to-date are surprising, at least to me, given the rhetoric on RST. Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM:  43%   No  41%   Yes  12%   For pros only  3%   Does not matter. This poll will close at the end of May so if you wish to express your vote, do so soon. The Runner’s Web Voting Booth can be accessed from our main menu at www.runnersweb.com/running.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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 Ken,   Curious to know if you can track the number of times a voter   votes?  Of the 388 responses, how many different submitters   actually voted? -Richd : Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM: :  43%   No :  41%   Yes :  12%   For pros only :  3%   Does not matter. : The Runner’s Web Voting Booth can be accessed from our main menu at : www.runnersweb.com/running.html. —

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I have been running a drafting or not poll on the Runner’s Web for several weeks and the results to-date are surprising, at least to me, given the rhetoric on RST. Out of 388 respondents)  these are the results as of Friday AM:  43%   No  41%   Yes  12%   For pros only  3%   Does not matter.

Not surprising to me.  That poll has no controls to prevent one person from voting several times.  Anybody who wanted to tilt the scales could just go in there and vote over and over again.  Knowing the attitude of a few people who are pro-draft, I wouldn’t put such a thing past them.   I wouldn’t take the "results" of such a poll too seriously. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday.

I did 50K, solo, at the local high school track on my 50th birthday (1986.)  At the time I was running about 10 miles per week due to injuries. I started at 05:00 in the dark and finished before 11:00.  I had to walk the last five miles. When the sun got up the temperature was over 90 degrees F. —Al Hromjak

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. I did 50K, solo, at the local high school track on my 50th birthday (1986.)  At the time I was running about 10 miles per week due to injuries. I started at 05:00 in the dark and finished before 11:00.  I had to walk the last five miles. When the sun got up the temperature was over 90 degrees F. —Al Hromjak

On a similar note, I ran the Houston Marathon as a birthday present to myself a week after my 26th birthday. It ended up being my fastest marathon. I had a great time thinking about my life as the miles/years went by. Andrew Heiz

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday.

What a great way to celebrate.  Congratulations. Would be interested in your reflections along the path. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

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| Mike Tennent writes:

| Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. | I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Same here. | Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… | | tick.. tick.. tick…tick… I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. How’s that for sick and twisted. I can assure you that age is a tiny factor, it’s the time to get those looooong runs, bikes and swims that is the most demanding. After the proper training(some impossible to quantify concept) the race is almost anti-climactic. The best of luck. GO FOR IT! — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Freese) writes: | Mike Tennent writes: | Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. | I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Same here. | Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… | | tick.. tick.. tick…tick… I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. How’s that for sick and twisted. I can assure you that age is a tiny factor, it’s the time to get those looooong runs, bikes and swims that is the most demanding. After the proper training(some impossible to quantify concept) the race is almost anti-climactic. The best of luck. GO FOR IT! — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

I agree with you Doug, after you start training for a long distance event, the distance does not seem "as" dominating.  I was scared to death my first ironman triathlon, but after a couple of hrs. found myself having much fun.  I hope to tackle some ultras in the upcoming yr. seeyatmk bradenton,florida http://www.netcom.com/~skee/tmk.html

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I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon.

<snipped Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… tick.. tick.. tick…tick… TriBop WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Beginner’s FAQ, Software Download the WebRunner Racing Utilities   http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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in May/97. Thanks for the inspiration, Ann Ottawa, Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

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: that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have : hopes of finishing a marathon. OOooh! Take it easy on the running!  You’re almost halfway dead! jg

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I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

Congrats on your first marathon, welcome to the marathon tribe.  :) seeyatmk bradenton,florida http://www.netcom.com/~skee/tmk.html

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Anyone have them??? Sam Km40….cheers!  

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Triathlete Magazine online has all results. Check it out.

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There aren’t any that cater well to the triathlete in Cleveland, but Eddy’s in Stow tries. As for mail order my favorites are Mission Bay and Bicycle Sports in Louisiana.  They’re really helpful and put up with my ignorance about those things technical.  Buying a bike mail-order might be a little much in terms of choices but both of these stores could do it very well for you. PS Bicycle Sports is run by John Cobb, you read about him a lot in the aerodynamics articles.  Also, from checking around, they tend to be a hell of a lot cheaper than anyone else except Mission Bay.

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     Do these guys have a P&A catalog?  I requested one from them a while ago but all I’ve gotten from them is there complete bike catalog.  I need P&A!!!                                               needing P&A,  Bill Webber

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Neves) writes: I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend?…

I recommend Steve’s Multisport.  I’ve been going to him since 1991 and I LOVE the QR Kilo he set fixed me up with last year.  He has also sponsored Ken Glah and Joy (Hansen) Leutner for years.  He posts ads out here in net-land and just gave away Spinergy Wheels yesterday.  His address is http://www.netaxs.com/~Steves.       -Laurie Hug  

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      Do these guys have a P&A catalog?  I requested one from them a while  ago but all I’ve gotten from them is there complete bike catalog.  I need  P&A!!!                                                needing P&A,  Bill Webber

I asked for one but they said they were printing a new one and I’d get it soon. I don’t have it yet. |       Ray Plotecia            | |       Image Control           |

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There aren’t any that cater well to the triathlete in Cleveland, but Eddy’s in Stow tries.

They are getting a bit more sophisticated regarding triathletes.  We have about a dozen Kilos and other bikes on the way to them, which is a pretty big commitment to a triathlon line.  If they’re bringing in that many of our bikes, I suspect they are bringing in bikes from other manufacturers as well. QRman

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Was in Madison, WI yesterday and stopped in Criterium Cyclery. I know this shop has been mentioned before. The shop is small, but they had several QR frames, wetsuits, and some accessories. They’ve been acknowledged before as being helpful. I’d like to acknowledge them for currently acting as race headquarters for the Madison Marathon. Quite a commitment of time and energy. They also help sponsor a small series of tris in Wisconsin and maintain a mailing list. Nice to see a small store with so much energy.

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As a Madison native, I know the shop well and Criterium does do a very nice job.  The owner also helps put on a terrifically well-run International distance (is that the current term these days!!?) triathlon in July. Mission Bay though, still tops my list! Best, Mark

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:  I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend? :  …snippage… :   : : I recommend Nytro in Encinitas, CA  These guys are knowledgeable and stay up to date on all the : hottest new stuff.  Talk to Stuart Newby-Frasier,  he has set up a few winning Ironman bikes in his <snip         I too recomend Nytro.  Those guys work to please their customers, and they do excellent work! ..Rob —           __o     o     |  Rob Connelly, Cal Poly  San Luis Obispo         _ <_    .(    |      `^o_  (_)/(_)    <    |  CP Triathlon Club, SLO Roadrunners          SWIM   BIKE     RUN    |  http://www.calpoly.edu/~rconnell

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In ccorning’s post regarding a good bike shop, she asks for recommendations of quality shops.  I’ll add one more to the fray: Lincoln Guide Service Lincoln, Massachusetts (617-259-????) LGS carries a wide assortment of bikes and caters to roadies and racers, although they do have mountain bikes.  I last used them in preparation for a tour I did from Portland, Maine to Orlando, Florida.  In addition to checking out the bike (I own a Trek 2100), their staff had had enough experiences on the bike that they were able to give me recommendations for the two week tour that a group of us did. I think that Karen Smyers lives in the town of Lincoln, but I do not know which bike store she frequents…….John Taylor.

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I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend?

Thanks Cathy, it is time for some positive reports. I found Wheeler’s in Kansas City very helpful. good inventory too. To extend the subject a bit, and to make a counter point to reports of negative service, I received excellent phone and support service from Profile (two years ago) and Syntace (very recently). Multi-sport people are fortunate to have some vendors who care about the athletes, nay even participants. ( I regret the last three words, everyone out of the couch is an athlete). I make it a point to stop at every running store that my travels permit. There are many good ones. If you’re in Ann Arbor, stop by Tortoise and Hare. Good wishes. Steve Goff

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 I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend?  …snippage…

Hi Cathy: I recommend Nytro in Encinitas, CA  These guys are knowledgeable and stay up to date on all the hottest new stuff.  Talk to Stuart Newby-Frasier,  he has set up a few winning Ironman bikes in his career. They will work with you to analyze your position, determine the right components for you, and recommend what they think is best.  They’re not stubborn about it though, and will listen to what your personal preferences are. They have set up my wife’s tri machine and are currently equipping my new Hollands 853 (yes, my wife bought me a new, custom frame for Christmas). |       Ray Plotecia            | |       Image Control           |

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I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend? I’ve read plenty about bike shops that people didn’t like, how about some good reviews? I am looking for bike/triathlon shops that are willing to spend the time analyzing my bike position and mechanics and then recommending a suitable dream machine. Thanks. Cathy Corning

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I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend? I’ve read plenty about bike shops that people didn’t like, how about some good reviews? I am looking for bike/triathlon shops that are willing to spend the time analyzing my bike position and mechanics and then recommending a suitable dream machine. Thanks. Cathy Corning

I’ve had great service from the folks at Bicycle Sports 800 365 2453 and Steve’s Multisport. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra

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I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend? I’ve read plenty about bike shops that people didn’t like, how about some good reviews? I am looking for bike/triathlon shops that are willing to spend the time analyzing my bike position and mechanics and then recommending a suitable dream machine. Thanks. Cathy Corning

What, Cathy, are you actually contemplating parting with your beloved Bianchi??? I don’t believe it!  Well, you must be sure to share the saga of your search for the perfect steed, and the retirement of the Bianchi with full honors! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  /

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I’m curious…what bike shops would triathletes recommend? I’ve read plenty about bike shops that people didn’t like, how about some good reviews? I am looking for bike/triathlon shops that are willing to spend the time analyzing my bike position and mechanics and then recommending a suitable dream machine. Thanks. Cathy Corning

Cathy: I bought my bike from Caster’s bike shop in Warwick, Rhode Island, and got some of the best service I’ve ever received at a shop.  They were very careful to be sure that the bike fit me before they sold it to me(actually the bike in stock did not fit, and they ordered the proper size and charged me the very same price as the in stock bike – very rare).  Before letting me take the bike home they helped adjust the aero bars, seat position, etc until they, and I, were satified with the fit.  I am not a novice, nor expert, but they were helpful accordingly.  Call (401) 739-0393 and ask for Keith(the resident tri-head) or Reed(the owner). Another shop I will rave about is Bike Pedalers’ in Lincoln, Nebraska, (http://www.bikeped.com/).  If I still lived in Nebraska, or anywhere thereabouts, I would make every bike related purchase at Bike Pedalers’.  I have never been in any shop where the people are more willing to be helpful, curtious, and more importantly, knock a few bucks off the price just because you’re a regular customer.  Ask for Rich(the owner). —    Stacy J. Hills    Code 8222, Bldg 116                  Phone: (401) 841-4504    Naval Undersea Warfare Center        FAX:   (401) 841-2223    Newport, RI 02841                    DSN:   948-4504

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Cathy,      Got to put my two cents worth in for Mission Bay in Elgin IL.  I don’t know if you’d want to buy a bike mail order, with all the choices and decisions to make, b ut they could do it for you.  Great, fun store. Mark

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Most timex bands are available at Sears watch repair. I replace my ironman band very cheaply….

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Most timex bands are available at Sears watch repair. I replace my ironman band very cheaply….

You can also get them through Road Runner Sports – 2 for $13. Bob Smith              |   Univ of Michigan                        |   Ann Arbor, MI

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You can also replace indiglo watchbands through the California Best catalogue.  Call 1-800-CAL-BEST to place an order or get a catalogue

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Most timex bands are available at Sears watch repair. I replace my ironman band very cheaply….

Walmart has a nice replacement, labeled specificaly for the Ironman, for $5.95. It’s a lot more flexible than the original. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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Most timex bands are available at Sears watch repair. I replace my ironman band very cheaply….

Yeah, but why would you want to replace it with another plastic band that will rip or break again in 6 months?  Go for a velcro closure band, I’ve had mine 1 year and love it!(plus it looks cooler and sounds enticing when removing it!) — check out my homepage:  http://www.epix.net/~skorka

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I’ve had two break in the past year. I finally decided to fix this one by wrapping black electrical tape around it. It works great and even swimming doesnt affect the tape.      Mark

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My watchbad on my Indiglo watch broke, too.  And in the same place you guys mentioned.

Do any of you recall what the warrenty period is on these things? I have a Ironman Triathalon that is about a year old, and one of the watch-band-pin housings broke off the watch.  A new band won’t help me. Thanks JD

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My watchbad on my Indiglo watch broke, too.  And in the same place you guys mentioned.

You can order a new watchband from Timex, $8.00 for metal bands, $5.00 for plastic.  I’ve done it a few times.  Call 1-800-44TIMEX for instructions.  

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When my band tore, I replaced it with a cloth/velcro band that I bought at K-Mart for about $2.50. It will last a lot longer than the original plastic band, and isn’t as hot.  I have to wash it every now and then to keep it from getting stinky.

Neal, I tried the same thing when my first band broke.  The velcro band only lasted about 2 months, then started fraying.  I’m such a brute!  :^)

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My "ironman" broke, but it was the watch itself, the part of the body that held the pin in, not the band.

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I’ve been using Timex watches for a number of years now. My latest is the Indiglo. Every 6 months, regular as clockwork, the plastic watchband breaks. Same place every time. Poor quality material or a conspiracy? Sigh…… Dana

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Buy some 1.5cm wide elastic from the haberdasher, thread it through the pins, measure your wrist, sow the elastic as tight a fit as oyu need for the watch.  Works fine for me, beat the system in another small way Happy running  – matthew oglethorpe

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When my band tore, I replaced it with a cloth/velcro band that I bought at K-Mart for about $2.50. It will last a lot longer than the original plastic band, and isn’t as hot.  I have to wash it every now and then to keep it from getting stinky. Neal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions. — Ray Lake Ellicott City, MD U.S.A.

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:Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex :Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch? Call (800)-44-TIMEX Jim Bodoh PGP key available upon request

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TIMEX has an 800 number to order replacement bands.  About $10 if I remember right.  1-800- 367 – 8463

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Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions. — Ray Lake Ellicott City, MD U.S.A.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ) writes: Lake) writes: Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions. — Ray Lake Ellicott City, MD U.S.A. Just get the timex 800 number, probably information 1 800 555 1212 has it and they will send you one in the mail. I’ve done this several times and they even use the honor system, you send in the three or so dollars with the form enclosed:-) chris —

I just got one, and to me the band feels flimsier than my old Casio’s which lasted a year.  When my Casio’s band broke I went to a running store in town and at their advice got a much more durable band with velcro attachments called "Shark Leash."  It’s been on my Casio for several years and it’s just as strong as when I got it.  I will get one for my Ironman when it breaks in the next few weeks. James

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Walmart carrys the watchbands Rod.

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Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions.

Raymond, Right now, I’m wearing Speidel’s replacement band for that watch.  I bought it at Rich’s Dept store.  It’s not EXACTLY the same, but it’s pretty well designed, and I didn’t have to double the price to pay for shipping from RR Sports, my normal outlet for all things running. Stew

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writes: Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions. — Ray Lake Ellicott City, MD U.S.A.

Just get the timex 800 number, probably information 1 800 555 1212 has it and they will send you one in the mail. I’ve done this several times and they even use the honor system, you send in the three or so dollars with the form enclosed:-) chris —            EVERYONE DIES, BUT NOT EVERYONE LIVES

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Can anyone tell me if where I might purchase a new watchband for my Timex Indiglo Ironman Triathlon watch?  The old band ripped after about two years of use under all kinds of conditions. — Ray Lake Ellicott City, MD U.S.A.

Road Runner Sports catalog and K-Mart both have them.  (They’re actually imported into LIC right across the East River but I don’t think they have an outlet store.) -Matt

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I heard, that she wants to visit the olympic games, but triathlon becomes olympic in Sydney(2000). So, she starts to be a runner. Jens

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According to Triathlete french edition, she switched to running after a Wellington triathlon, where she gave up because of the cold water. Riccardo

– The started at the World Championchips in Goeteborg, Sweden, last week where she finished 8.place at the Marathon. ***** Don’t cry – Work! (R. Goetz) *****

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At the WC athletics, marathon for women, one of the participants was S. Krolik, Germany. Does anyone know if this is Sonja Krolik, who was a succesfull triathlete some 2 years ago ?

YES If so, why did she switch to running ?

Why did Lance Armstrong switch to bicycle racing only? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Regards, Michel.

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: At the WC athletics, marathon for women, one of the : participants was S. Krolik, Germany. : Does anyone know if this is Sonja Krolik, who was : a succesfull triathlete some 2 years ago ? : If so, why did she switch to running ? : Regards, Michel. Yes, it is Sonja Krolik, who had some quarrel with the DTU because of her leanness and then decided to switch to running. Now that she has qualified for the olympic games by her marathon time achieved in Goeteborg, she said that she would never switch back to triathlon. That’s what I’ve read in the newspapers. Regards         Meinolf

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According to Triathlete french edition, she switched to running after a Wellington triathlon, where she gave up because of the cold water. Riccardo

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At the WC athletics, marathon for women, one of the participants was S. Krolik, Germany. Does anyone know if this is Sonja Krolik, who was a succesfull triathlete some 2 years ago ? If so, why did she switch to running ? Regards, Michel.

That is entirily  correct. Sonia finished 8th in 2.35  something. You probably won’t believe it ,but she switched to running for the same reason LAnce armstrong switched to cycling: the money. Ivar

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At the WC athletics, marathon for women, one of the participants was S. Krolik, Germany. Does anyone know if this is Sonja Krolik, who was a succesfull triathlete some 2 years ago ? If so, why did she switch to running ? Regards, Michel.

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At the WC athletics, marathon for women, one of the participants was S. Krolik, Germany. Does anyone know if this is Sonja Krolik, who was a succesfull triathlete some 2 years ago ? If so, why did she switch to running ?

Yes, the Sonja Krolik who finished seventh in the World Championships marathon last Saturday is the same who was three times the European triathlon champion. She ran the Berlin Marathon in both 1993 and 1994, the lst time fast enough to qualify for Germany’s world athletics championships team. This performance sets herself up well for selection to the 1996 Olympic team. Another triathlete, Carole Montgomery, represented Canada in the 10,000 meters. But she had an extremely poor race, finishing 14th in her heat in 34-minutes-plus. Katherine Williams

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