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Thanks for the info – I guess I’ll have to go back on the market for a sports doc. Sigh… Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Muscle "cramp" and "slight tear" may be a continuum of the same problem or injury depending on who you talk to. Muscle cramping may have a lot of different causes, and that may explain why there aren’t a lot of good preventative measures out there. A treatment that works for one may not work for another, etc. The question to have answered is whether or not you had a simple muscle cramp or spasm, or something more serious such as a muscle tear, or other possibility, a partial achilles tendon rupture. Muscle cramping is thought to be either a protective mechanism to prevent injury to a fatigued and weakening muscle (which may explain why we see a lot of them in the football preseason, or with swimming, etc). Dehydration and possibly low blood sodium (hyponatremia) may also cause muscle cramping. If you’re still feeling weak in that leg two weeks after your race, I’d be a little suspicious and have it checked out by either an orthopedist or a good primary care sports medicine physician. Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon I’m not sure – how do I tell the difference?  I guess I should probably look for a good sports physician to ask. Thanks, Dan Was it a cramp or a "slight" muscle tear.  I had a similar thing happen in a 10K that I hadn’t warmed up for properly.  I initially thought it was a cramp, but i am now almost 100% certain it was a tear.  It led to a host of other problems over the summer, from which I am only now recovered. About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan — Regards, Dave

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I’m not sure – how do I tell the difference?  I guess I should probably look for a good sports physician to ask. Thanks, Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was it a cramp or a "slight" muscle tear.  I had a similar thing happen in a 10K that I hadn’t warmed up for properly.  I initially thought it was a cramp, but i am now almost 100% certain it was a tear.  It led to a host of other problems over the summer, from which I am only now recovered. About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan — Regards, Dave

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Muscle "cramp" and "slight tear" may be a continuum of the same problem or injury depending on who you talk to. Muscle cramping may have a lot of different causes, and that may explain why there aren’t a lot of good preventative measures out there. A treatment that works for one may not work for another, etc. The question to have answered is whether or not you had a simple muscle cramp or spasm, or something more serious such as a muscle tear, or other possibility, a partial achilles tendon rupture. Muscle cramping is thought to be either a protective mechanism to prevent injury to a fatigued and weakening muscle (which may explain why we see a lot of them in the football preseason, or with swimming, etc). Dehydration and possibly low blood sodium (hyponatremia) may also cause muscle cramping. If you’re still feeling weak in that leg two weeks after your race, I’d be a little suspicious and have it checked out by either an orthopedist or a good primary care sports medicine physician. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon I’m not sure – how do I tell the difference?  I guess I should probably look for a good sports physician to ask. Thanks, Dan Was it a cramp or a "slight" muscle tear.  I had a similar thing happen in a 10K that I hadn’t warmed up for properly.  I initially thought it was a cramp, but i am now almost 100% certain it was a tear.  It led to a host of other problems over the summer, from which I am only now recovered. About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan — Regards, Dave

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With a cramp, the pain should not last more than an hour or so (?).  A torn muscle will hurt for a lot longer.  Also if it is badly torn, you will see bruising below the site of the tear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not sure – how do I tell the difference?  I guess I should probably look for a good sports physician to ask. Thanks, Dan Was it a cramp or a "slight" muscle tear.  I had a similar thing happen in a 10K that I hadn’t warmed up for properly.  I initially thought it was a cramp, but i am now almost 100% certain it was a tear.  It led to a host of other problems over the summer, from which I am only now recovered. About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan — Regards, Dave

– Regards, Dave

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Was it a cramp or a "slight" muscle tear.  I had a similar thing happen in a 10K that I hadn’t warmed up for properly.  I initially thought it was a cramp, but i am now almost 100% certain it was a tear.  It led to a host of other problems over the summer, from which I am only now recovered. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan

– Regards, Dave

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About 2 weeks ago I was running the Chicago marathon when I experienced a cramp in my left calf muscle.  I still had about 12 miles to go so I stopped to stretch and then hobbled on to the end.  The cramp came back periodically and really slowed my pace over the second half.  Now, I feel basically 100% recovered but when I run I still feel like I don’t have any power in that left calf muscle. So I have a few questions:  What caused this cramp?  What did I do to my calf muscle that has left it feeling so weak?  And what can I do to fix it? In regards to the cramp, I don’t believe it could have been dehydration related because I have run that distance (~14 miles) that fast (7:15 pace) in much hotter conditions without cramping (the Chicago Distance Classic).  But I could be wrong. Advice would be appreciated (especially if it involves going for massage therapy!). Dan

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Did a search on info for the T1, but there wasn’t much out there.  Any one actually using the T1 care to comment on it.  I need a new suit by October and would like to hear some "real life" experiences. TIA, Steve

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Did a search on info for the T1, but there wasn’t much out there.  Any one actually using the T1 care to comment on it.  I need a new suit by October and would like to hear some "real life" experiences.

t1wetwsuits.com has quite a few testimonials.  they are real-life, but obviously the ones who write in and say "you and your wetsuit suck" are not likely to have their messages uploaded to the site. slowman

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t1wetwsuits.com has quite a few testimonials.  they are real-life, but obviously the ones who write in and say "you and your wetsuit suck" are not likely to have their messages uploaded to the site.

How about ones that say – I liked this part, but this part sucked and I went back to my Ironman/Orca/whatever? (the T1 showed up too late for me – needed a suit by May.  Maybe next time) — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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ITs the bomb! Makes your stroke better than a normal zipper suit. Better feel and stretch

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How about ones that say – I liked this part, but this part sucked and I went back to my Ironman/Orca/whatever?

haven’t seen any of those personally.  here’s the forum for it, right?   if there’s any of those out there who feel that way, this is the proper place to post.  i was up at big bear lake triathlon yesterday, saw many T1s in the race, talked to many people who own them before and after, have heard nothing but raves. if T1 has its detractors i just haven’t found them yet. there is one exception to this.  there is an online site that "reviewed" the ironman fusion and detracted from the T1 during that review, (as i use the term "review" loosely).  i did a little nosing around to find out when the reviewer actually swam in a T1, and discovered that this (supposedly) occured at IM California.  i found this interesting, since there were no T1s in existence at the time of this race occuring.  so, basically, the reviewer wasn’t honest. i point this out because it’s not precisely true to say i’ve not heard anyone say anything negative about the T1 wetsuit.  i’ve just not heard anything negative from any legitimate source. slowman

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Jsoul, I have to respectfully disagree with the previous poster on this one.   I did this race last year and it was, without a doubt, the worst organized and poorest run race I’ve ever done!   the swim was a joke, due to the fact that it was a low tide.  Swimming through thick seaweed the whole time.  The bike course is hilly, but worse is the fact that there are very few aid stations and those that are there didn’t have anything except water.   the thing that sticks out in my mind transition area about 2 hrs before race start time, and he was no where to be found.   there wern’t any bike racks set up yet, and the athletes that were there didn’t know what to do with there bikes.  Finally, about an hour before the start, the racks finally start to go up, and the race director makes everyone who had set up their "transition area", move their stuff to a new location.  What a jerk!  There were a lot of very perturbed people, I’ll tell ya.   I would never do this race again, no matter what.   I wouldn’t support this race director for anything.  He has no respect or concern for the Al Lyman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know the race course for the Hudson Valley 1/2 ironman in July? A couple of us who are doing the race would like to ride/run part of the course this month as part of our training. How are the currents typically in the Hudson? how clean is the water? thx! Johanna "forever young" Young

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Does anyone know the race course for the Hudson Valley 1/2 ironman in July? A couple of us who are doing the race would like to ride/run part of the course this month as part of our training. How are the currents typically in the Hudson? how clean is the water? thx! Johanna "forever young" Young

Great race!  Raced it in 97 and 98, best race I’ve ever had was the one in 98. Course is mainly flat and very fast, also very scenic and nice roads.  Swim is tough!  You swim into the current on the way out and with the current on the way back.  In 98 my time to the far buoy was 30 minutes, total time 45!  I’m a poor swimmer but the fastest of the day was about 30.  Water was fine otherwise, clean ect…  NYTC puts on a lot of great races, always well run. The bike is on lightly traveled roads and highways and goes around a large resevior.  The run spends some time on nice dirt road.  Not much shade expect much heat tim(dogspot1) buaidh no bas

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Does anyone know the race course for the Hudson Valley 1/2 ironman in July? A couple of us who are doing the race would like to ride/run part of the course this month as part of our training. How are the currents typically in the Hudson? how clean is the water? thx! Johanna "forever young" Young

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Hi, Can’t really help you much, but The Hudson in the Albany area does have some pretty good currents.  The water certainly isn’t like a mountain lake, but it has cleaned itself up recently. You won’t be bumping into dead fish or barrells of PCB’s But you still can’t eat the fish you catch in the Hudson. If I were you I would call the New York Triathlon Club at 914-247-0271 with your questions. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know the race course for the Hudson Valley 1/2 ironman in July? A couple of us who are doing the race would like to ride/run part of the course this month as part of our training. How are the currents typically in the Hudson? how clean is the water? thx! Johanna "forever young" Young

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You shaved your ass? Wimp, I always use a coupla strips a duct tape. Phil

| You’ll forget your problems for a while, |     So I’m getting myself ready for my first big race of the | season this Sunday.   I go out and spend a small fortune on | Mach III blades and get to work.   I was originally gonna | just shave my legs, but something inside of me must of | snapped.   Soon after completing the job I started shaving | my arms, then chest and belly.  Can’t stop there, I even | shaved my back, this had real benefits by dramatically | improving my upper body flexability.  I even shaved that | fuzz that grows on top of your ears (It amazes me where hair | appears as you get older)….Anyways I was SMOOTH AND AERO! |      After an inspection of my handywork in the mirror, My | hairy butt just seemed out of place.   Back to work… |      Well less than 24hrs after all this, here I sit with my | Fruit of the Looms velcro’d to my ass.   This doesn’t bode | well for this weekend, the race, or the drive there.  How | long till the iching goes away?   Will boxers help?  Am I | gonna have to shave my butt every day?   This may have been | a dramatically bad idea.  What are they gonna say in the | locker room? |       So anyways, If you’re racing Sunday and you pass a big | guy who has a Speedo velcro’d to his butt, say HI!  and tell | me how smooth I look.. | The Bonk

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Bonk,  Try some nair , I’ve found that the hairs grow out much softer than with shaving. Good Luck with your race, (and with Your ass) Steve "I’ll be nairing for the Marco Island Sports Fest Triathlon in 2 weeks" Adams Looking for a Triathlon? http://www.triathalator.com

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I have been in the hairdressing business for over 25 years and have known and worked with many gay men and women during this time period. I have to say that I have never heard a single person ever mention shaving one’s ass. I don’t think this has any bearing on sexual preference. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Maybe a better topic would have been: "I shaved my ass, now they’ll think I’m a complete idiot" Brian (who laughed VERY much reading that…that post was the introduction to the fine sport of triathlon for many of my pals)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been in the hairdressing business for over 25 years and have known and worked with many gay men and women during this time period. I have to say that I have never heard a single person ever mention shaving one’s ass. I don’t think this has any bearing on sexual preference. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Has anyone ever measured the loss of aerodynamics (or aquadynamics) caused by body hair? I’m guessing those tufts on my shoulders must hold me back a good .0000000000001 sec over Olympic distance. johnwalt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’ll forget your problems for a while,     So I’m getting myself ready for my first big race of the season this Sunday.   I go out and spend a small fortune on Mach III blades and get to work.   I was originally gonna just shave my legs, but something inside of me must of snapped.   Soon after completing the job I started shaving my arms, then chest and belly.  Can’t stop there, I even shaved my back, this had real benefits by dramatically improving my upper body flexability.  I even shaved that fuzz that grows on top of your ears (It amazes me where hair appears as you get older)….Anyways I was SMOOTH AND AERO!      After an inspection of my handywork in the mirror, My hairy butt just seemed out of place.   Back to work…      Well less than 24hrs after all this, here I sit with my Fruit of the Looms velcro’d to my ass.   This doesn’t bode well for this weekend, the race, or the drive there.  How long till the iching goes away?   Will boxers help?  Am I gonna have to shave my butt every day?   This may have been a dramatically bad idea.  What are they gonna say in the locker room?       So anyways, If you’re racing Sunday and you pass a big guy who has a Speedo velcro’d to his butt, say HI!  and tell me how smooth I look.. The Bonk

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DO NOT bend over in the showers!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’ll forget your problems for a while,     So I’m getting myself ready for my first big race of the season this Sunday.   I go out and spend a small fortune on Mach III blades and get to work.   I was originally gonna just shave my legs, but something inside of me must of snapped.   Soon after completing the job I started shaving my arms, then chest and belly.  Can’t stop there, I even shaved my back, this had real benefits by dramatically improving my upper body flexability.  I even shaved that fuzz that grows on top of your ears (It amazes me where hair appears as you get older)….Anyways I was SMOOTH AND AERO!      After an inspection of my handywork in the mirror, My hairy butt just seemed out of place.   Back to work…      Well less than 24hrs after all this, here I sit with my Fruit of the Looms velcro’d to my ass.   This doesn’t bode well for this weekend, the race, or the drive there.  How long till the iching goes away?   Will boxers help?  Am I gonna have to shave my butt every day?   This may have been a dramatically bad idea.  What are they gonna say in the locker room?       So anyways, If you’re racing Sunday and you pass a big guy who has a Speedo velcro’d to his butt, say HI!  and tell me how smooth I look.. The Bonk

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You’ll forget your problems for a while,     So I’m getting myself ready for my first big race of the season this Sunday.   I go out and spend a small fortune on Mach III blades and get to work.   I was originally gonna just shave my legs, but something inside of me must of snapped.   Soon after completing the job I started shaving my arms, then chest and belly.  Can’t stop there, I even shaved my back, this had real benefits by dramatically improving my upper body flexability.  I even shaved that fuzz that grows on top of your ears (It amazes me where hair appears as you get older)….Anyways I was SMOOTH AND AERO!      After an inspection of my handywork in the mirror, My hairy butt just seemed out of place.   Back to work…      Well less than 24hrs after all this, here I sit with my Fruit of the Looms velcro’d to my ass.   This doesn’t bode well for this weekend, the race, or the drive there.  How long till the iching goes away?   Will boxers help?  Am I gonna have to shave my butt every day?   This may have been a dramatically bad idea.  What are they gonna say in the locker room?       So anyways, If you’re racing Sunday and you pass a big guy who has a Speedo velcro’d to his butt, say HI!  and tell me how smooth I look.. The Bonk

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I nearly pee’d myself reading this, one of my training buddies "shaved down" for a race once, ha! he had a rash on his ass for a month!  He bitched about his undies being velcroed to his butt, too!   Taught me a valuable lesson before it was too late! Have a great race! ha!

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The gays I know have much better sense than to shave their ass. Great story, though.  Thanks for a couple of big laugh.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’ll forget your problems for a while,     So I’m getting myself ready for my first big race of the season this Sunday.   I go out and spend a small fortune on Mach III blades and get to work.   I was originally gonna just shave my legs, but something inside of me must of snapped.   Soon after completing the job I started shaving my arms, then chest and belly.  Can’t stop there, I even shaved my back, this had real benefits by dramatically improving my upper body flexability.  I even shaved that fuzz that grows on top of your ears (It amazes me where hair appears as you get older)….Anyways I was SMOOTH AND AERO!      After an inspection of my handywork in the mirror, My hairy butt just seemed out of place.   Back to work…      Well less than 24hrs after all this, here I sit with my Fruit of the Looms velcro’d to my ass.   This doesn’t bode well for this weekend, the race, or the drive there.  How long till the iching goes away?   Will boxers help?  Am I gonna have to shave my butt every day?   This may have been a dramatically bad idea.  What are they gonna say in the locker room?       So anyways, If you’re racing Sunday and you pass a big guy who has a Speedo velcro’d to his butt, say HI!  and tell me how smooth I look.. The Bonk

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Ruthie, Am I not your trusted, most loyal friend, sister, confidant, advisor/advisee, advocate, training and racing partner, sharer of dirty cartoons, instigator of all that is good ?????

Yes Yes Yes All of the above, sweetie. Lynne then suggests I get a bike sponsor. A LBS some years ago volunteered to give me everything I needed dirt cheap.  But after every race I had to tell the local newspaper what I did, mentioning of course that I was sponsored by the store.  The feeling I had tooting my own horn like that was awful, really humiliating. Our paper doesn’t like any sport that doesn’t use a ball or at least twist a few arms and legs, so I was out of place in the paper even if I hadn’t put it in myself.  Even when Hawaii sends them info about me they usually ignore it.  The bicycle maker himself has promised me a price usually reserved for shops, so maybe all will be well.  You know, Lynne, you have a selling presence that I most certainly do not have. Never did have, for that matter.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – $300 !!!!  This must be an entirely different animal from the prices I’ve been quoted, which go something like: Dura Ace parts kit:  $1,260 (except for Ultegra bb) Carbon steerer fork  $335 Refinishing:         $125 (my present carbon frame) Mechanical           $85 3 day Shipping       $75 total                $1880 I definitely trust the builder, so there must be a good explanation for the difference.  I think bottom bracket and stuff is included.  In fact, I think that’s everything except the frame which I would provide.  At this point I’m leaning toward the whole bike if I can sell mine. It’s little and there’s not a whole lot of demand for my size. Although I’m not little (in my eyes), I do best on a 50 cm. Ruth Kazez

TRUST is good but DONATE is better;-)!!! BTW has anyone told you how NICE you look today? If not, let me be the first!!! GOD   (the BIG IRONDUDE) PS.  Keep the frame, it is too small for the wonderful,cute, kind, lovable, adoring (did I mention cute?) Ironkid I have in mind.

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If there was TRULY a god, he wouldn’t give Dura-Ace to kids. Fast kids is bad enough, but fast kids on fast bikes…

        Actually, this is how I get all my bikes. "Gimmie your bike IronKid or I’ll get you after school!" "I also take his lunch money" David Barclay Ironman Lanzarote 1999 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Dan Empfield Be a nice guy,   give our deserving friend and idol a new 9 speed bike. She will use it to enhance the already good image of QR.  While you are at it send a new rubber band to Ironkid.   I think his may be a bit  stretched from over winding. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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: love. Buy only the parts you need for a 9-speed conversion: : Freehub bodies (one per rear wheel) Mon Dieu Rick……surely if Ruth has 8-sp rear hubs alread we all know they’re 9-sp compatible.

Yup, you are right. I went back and reminded myself.  Ain’t no difference between the hubs. They be the same. Of course, I’m still using 8 speeds. It seems an abundance of gears: I remember racing and riding 300 miles a week with five cogs in the back. Rick "I SAID, Ask me about Campy, dammit" Denney

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Once upon a time I had a delightful steel QR, equipped with 7-speed Ultegra, but I was unable, in this bicycle-backward community to upgrade it without losing a bundle.  So I sold it for a thousand bucks and got my present bike.  I suffered such pangs of separation anxiety that I tried to buy it back for more than I sold it.  The buyer, a member of the air force, refused and even took it with her to Bicycle Heaven Italy.  Now I’m afraid the same feeling of giving up the kid for adoption might overwhelm me, so I’m leaning toward the unthinkable – possessing two bikes for a little while.  I know this wouldn’t faze rev.Rick, proud papa of octuplets, but for me it’s almost depravingly extravagant.  To those who feel that 9 speeds is overkill anyway, I agree, I could probably be efficient with just high, low, and somewhere in the middle.  But I need to be able to shift smoothly over a wide range because I’m deep in the heart of the appalachian hills, yet I like an 11 for the flats.  I’m still undecided; the posts are very helpful and I think I’ve made a lot of progress in my decision-making. Now, as for that adorable little brat, I’ve got one nifty tricycle that I can pass down to him so he can tool around safely in his backyard, if he ever behaves well enough long enough to be allowed out of his room. Ruth Kazez

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While not wishing to turn this into another technical debate. Freehub bodies (one per rear wheel) Rear Derailleur DA-9 and DA-8 are the same width cassettes??

That was not my understanding. But I ain’t done it myself. About a year ago, I measured it all up at the LBS, and knew all the details. But I’ve slept since then. Chainring Inner only I assume ?? Outer should be fine ??

Yup. And even that is on the bubble. Some report that they do just fine with the old chainrings, and others report problems. Rick "Ask me a question about Campy" Denney

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o.k., o.k., o.k. You’ve heard from the rest now here is the straight skinie. I replaced my 8sp with 9sp DA last year and raced all year long with nairy a problemo. Cassette, barends, chain, and rear derailamajig and thats it bubba – Works great, less filling. Old chainrings work just fine as does the front thing-a-majig. Hey, and I did it all myself (so proud). Go for it Ruth. Cheers, Bernie Sher – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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While not wishing to turn this into another technical debate. Freehub bodies (one per rear wheel) Rear Derailleur

DA-9 and DA-8 are the same width cassettes?? Chainring

Inner only I assume ?? Outer should be fine ?? — MB.

s.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez No, it is not wiser to replace the whole bike. Keep the frame that you love. Buy only the parts you need for a 9-speed conversion: Shifters Chainring Freehub bodies (one per rear wheel) Cassettes Rear Derailleur Chain Yes, it will cost some money. Yes, it will be a bit of a hassle to sell the old stuff. (So much of a hassle that you should just throw the stuff away, in which case I, out of the goodness of my heart, provide the trash can. In fact, if you replace the parts, let me know–I have a bare frame in need of just what you’d be taking off.) No, it is not harder than getting a new bike dialed in. But never, ever sell a frame that you love. Rick "I can’t even bear the thought of it" Denney

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Will I be able to use my existing Dura-Ace 8-sp bar ends?

No, my son. Rick "Except in friction mode–which is dicey with nine of them suckers back there" Denney

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I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

No, it is not wiser to replace the whole bike. Keep the frame that you love. Buy only the parts you need for a 9-speed conversion: Shifters Chainring Freehub bodies (one per rear wheel) Cassettes Rear Derailleur Chain Yes, it will cost some money. Yes, it will be a bit of a hassle to sell the old stuff. (So much of a hassle that you should just throw the stuff away, in which case I, out of the goodness of my heart, provide the trash can. In fact, if you replace the parts, let me know–I have a bare frame in need of just what you’d be taking off.) No, it is not harder than getting a new bike dialed in. But never, ever sell a frame that you love. Rick "I can’t even bear the thought of it" Denney

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I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.

I suppose I have a different question – why? Why spend $1800 or $300? DA 8 speed with downtube or STI shifiting is a great group so unless you need to replace your grouppo because you have ground it out with lots of miles…. If you want to replace the grouppo let me ask why DA why not Ultegra. 105 does the job just fine. The thing in the Ultegra group that would interest me are the hollow forged crank arms and the slightly improved shifting (shifting just feels a little better). DA? You will find the Ultegra group more reasonably priced of course. Your bike sounds nice so I would say hang onto it, especially if it fits and rides well. Its fun to get a bike refinished. I have seen some beautiful paint jobs come back. Just my two cents {well probably more like a two cents and a lead slug, character flaw I guess } Enjoy the ride whatever you decide. Sanjay

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$300 !!!!  This must be an entirely different animal from the prices I’ve been quoted, which go something like:

This is for just the parts you need for a nine-speed conversion. Dura Ace parts kit:  $1,260 (except for Ultegra bb) Carbon steerer fork  $335 Refinishing:         $125 (my present carbon frame) Mechanical           $85 3 day Shipping       $75 total                $1880

This is the Bike Shop Owner With A Kid Who Needs Braces plan. This replaces nearly everything on the bike, including a bunch of stuff that’s just fine. I definitely trust the builder, so there must be a good explanation for the difference.  I think bottom bracket and stuff is included.  In fact, I think that’s everything except the frame which I would provide. At this point I’m leaning toward the whole bike if I can sell mine. It’s little and there’s not a whole lot of demand for my size. Although I’m not little (in my eyes), I do best on a 50 cm.

Rick "I can’t bear it. Ruth suffering from New Bike Fever!" Denney

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Ruthie, Am I not your trusted, most loyal friend, sister, confidant, advisor/advisee, advocate, training and racing partner, sharer of dirty cartoons, instigator of all that is good ????? Bikes and their parts are now like computers; obsolete after you drive it off the lot. You have a very , VERY impressive resume. Write it up, take it to several bike stores. Ask for cost + 10%. If I can do it for 4 bikes, YOU, with a resume 10-fold, can surely find some interest ! Love and hugs, Lynne

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Assuming DA8–DA9, then I think he’s right. If your existing groupo is otherwise, then it might be different. From memory the part you NEED are: – Cassette(s) – Chain – Inner Chain-Ring – Shifters – either STI or Bar-Ends.   However, if already using bar-ends, you could just opt for setting to friction. That’s it — everything else should work. Of course, whether or not it’s worth it just for another gear in the mix… And re: the DA-9 BB, well… sometimes cheaper is better… — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last year, I upgraded my DuraAce 8sp to 9sp, so I know it can be done.  I bought an upgrade kit from Triathlete Zombies for around $300, that included a rear cassette, bar end shifters, new chain, etc. $300 !!!!  This must be an entirely different animal from the prices I’ve been quoted, which go something like: Dura Ace parts kit:  $1,260 (except for Ultegra bb) Carbon steerer fork  $335 Refinishing:         $125 (my present carbon frame) Mechanical           $85 3 day Shipping       $75 total                $1880 I definitely trust the builder, so there must be a good explanation for the difference.  I think bottom bracket and stuff is included.  In fact, I think that’s everything except the frame which I would provide. At this point I’m leaning toward the whole bike if I can sell mine. It’s little and there’s not a whole lot of demand for my size. Although I’m not little (in my eyes), I do best on a 50 cm. Ruth Kazez

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If there was TRULY a god, he wouldn’t give Dura-Ace to kids. Fast kids is bad enough, but fast kids on fast bikes… — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ruth, I am in much the same state – I would like a definitive from Rev’ Denny. Rev, what is the answer to this question? I want to convert! Joe GOD here: The Rev. Denney is busy. He asked me to pass along this info. Get rid of all that old junk and buy NEW. Donate your old stuff to poor kids in far away places— like Toledo Ohio. There are kids there who are sooooo poor, that they only have a BI and it will probably be years before they get the KE. Think how hard it is to do a triathlon on your BI with no front wheel and only a rear wheel with 3 speeds. Swim, Wheelie, Run:-(. I know one poor kid who was given a Dura-Ace skewer and is just waiting for the rest of the parts to go with it. Think how happy you would feel as a poor little wonderful, cute, lovable, adoring, honest, kind, (did I mention cute?) kid blows by you knowing— YOU made it happen. So, buy NEW!!!  Donate fast!!!  I will reward you in many ways, depending on what kind of loot you send. Please respond to RST because ( heaven.com) gets pretty busy, and I will have one of my little angels email you the address of the poor little, wonderful, cute, lovable, adoring, honest, kind, (did I mention cute?) Ironkid. Thank You and I bless you. GOD      (the BIG IRONDUDE) PS. if you have any vanilla GU and the grape tablets (you know), send them too;-).

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Ruth, I am in much the same state – I would like a definitive from Rev’ Denny. Rev, what is the answer to this question? I want to convert! Joe

GOD here: The Rev. Denney is busy. He asked me to pass along this info. Get rid of all that old junk and buy NEW. Donate your old stuff to poor kids in far away places— like Toledo Ohio. There are kids there who are sooooo poor, that they only have a BI and it will probably be years before they get the KE. Think how hard it is to do a triathlon on your BI with no front wheel and only a rear wheel with 3 speeds. Swim, Wheelie, Run:-(. I know one poor kid who was given a Dura-Ace skewer and is just waiting for the rest of the parts to go with it. Think how happy you would feel as a poor little wonderful, cute, lovable, adoring, honest, kind, (did I mention cute?) kid blows by you knowing— YOU made it happen. So, buy NEW!!!  Donate fast!!!  I will reward you in many ways, depending on what kind of loot you send. Please respond to RST because ( heaven.com) gets pretty busy, and I will have one of my little angels email you the address of the poor little, wonderful, cute, lovable, adoring, honest, kind, (did I mention cute?) Ironkid. Thank You and I bless you. GOD      (the BIG IRONDUDE) PS. if you have any vanilla GU and the grape tablets (you know), send them too;-).

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Last year, I upgraded my DuraAce 8sp to 9sp, so I know it can be done.  I bought an upgrade kit from Triathlete Zombies for around $300, that included a rear cassette, bar end shifters, new chain, etc.

$300 !!!!  This must be an entirely different animal from the prices I’ve been quoted, which go something like: Dura Ace parts kit:  $1,260 (except for Ultegra bb) Carbon steerer fork  $335 Refinishing:         $125 (my present carbon frame) Mechanical           $85 3 day Shipping       $75 total                $1880 I definitely trust the builder, so there must be a good explanation for the difference.  I think bottom bracket and stuff is included.  In fact, I think that’s everything except the frame which I would provide.  At this point I’m leaning toward the whole bike if I can sell mine. It’s little and there’s not a whole lot of demand for my size. Although I’m not little (in my eyes), I do best on a 50 cm. Ruth Kazez

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I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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Ruth,  I THINK that if you want to go to 9spd you can just replace, 1) the cassette 2) chain 3) shifter 4) derailleurs and MAYBE just the smaller chainring. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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Ruth, I am in much the same state – I would like a definitive from Rev’ Denny. Rev, what is the answer to this question? I want to convert! What must I place in the coffers to become one . . . errr . . .  nine. Will I be able to use my existing Dura-Ace 8-sp bar ends? Cheers, You Two, Joe Joe Foster "The idea is to create your own future, and not have it shaped by circumstance." – Peter Thomas

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Ruth, Last year, I upgraded my DuraAce 8sp to 9sp, so I know it can be done.  I bought an upgrade kit from Triathlete Zombies for around $300, that included a rear cassette, bar end shifters, new chain, etc.  Their original kit had the STI shifters.  I am going to upgrade my other two bikes now using the same kit. John Welch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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Ruth, Surely you build your own bike frames from fresh carbon fiber?  :-) Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I   Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have? Ruth Kazez

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For me, I would not bother with changing from 8 to 9 speed.    But,  since you are hooked you can just go with the up-grade kit.   It makes the most sense from an economics point of view. Heck,  I often still race on 7 speed stuff as it is less temperamental but not nearly as cool looking and a few onces heavier. If price is not an object, go for the complete new set-up.    You owe it to yourself for all that you have accomplished.    Just remember,  the performance gain will be negligible and your purpose is "pride of ownership",  motivation and being the coolest. Now,  if I could get some new knee parts I would go run and bike but Guess I will have to be content with a swim. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really like my bike.  I wouldn’t trade it for any other, regardless of cost.  But I have been coveting the new 9-speed Dura-ace stuff.  If I strip my bike and replace everything but the frame, what do I with all that expensive stuff plus a couple extra 8 speed cassettes and extra chainrings, to say nothing of bottom bracket, etc. Profile bars, the works?  Is it wiser to replace the whole bike even though it’s the same frame I will be getting, no better than what I have?  Is it easier to sell the kit and kaboodle than all the stuff piecemeal?  I want to decide fast so I won’t have to think about it anymore. Ruth Kazez

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Oh sure Joe … like I am going to fall for that trick! Besides, I don’t have time to get lost on Wildwood trail with you, I only have 48 more day’s to buy a bike and start training . DOH! Speakin’ of bike .. I need to stop goofin’ off here and get out and riiiiiiiidddde! Dennis A bike? I need a bike for Ironman Canada? Damn, why didn’t someone tell me this before…

No joking gentleman. A friend of mine who is doing IMC this year, just did by a bike and rode it for the first time in over two years last weekend. He says that he has a bit of work to do between now and the end of August! Steve Fleck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh sure Joe … like I am going to fall for that trick! Besides, I don’t have time to get lost on Wildwood trail with you, I only have 48 more day’s to buy a bike and start training . DOH! Speakin’ of bike .. I need to stop goofin’ off here and get out and riiiiiiiidddde! Dennis A bike? I need a bike for Ironman Canada? Damn, why didn’t someone tell me this before… No joking gentleman. A friend of mine who is doing IMC this year, just did by a bike and rode it for the first time in over two years last weekend. He says that he has a bit of work to do between now and the end of August! Steve Fleck

Will probably ride a 5:02:XX!! Good Story, Joe Joseph C. Foster

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh sure Joe … like I am going to fall for that trick! Besides, I don’t have time to get lost on Wildwood trail with you, I only have 48 more day’s to buy a bike and start training . DOH! Speakin’ of bike .. I need to stop goofin’ off here and get out and riiiiiiiidddde! Dennis A bike? I need a bike for Ironman Canada? Damn, why didn’t someone tell me this before… No joking gentleman. A friend of mine who is doing IMC this year, just did by a bike and rode it for the first time in over two years last weekend. He says that he has a bit of work to do between now and the end of August! Steve Fleck Will probably ride a 5:02:XX!! Good Story, Joe

Joe, The 5:02 bike split is unliklely. However, watch out for the guy on the run. He’s an ultra-distance type who can knock off a 3:20 run in his sleep. Steve Fleck

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In case you have not checked your calender: You now have *50* trainning days left. "Bwahahahaha . . . " Good Training, Good Racing, and it’s really to *30*, "if" your tapering .. . . Joe

IF you’re tapering???   anyone who isn’t – you have much to learn, grasshopper. for the rest – you still have much to learn, but you’re on the right track. good luck everyone of ya. — Tim Hartley SFU Kinesiology

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No joking gentleman. A friend of mine who is doing IMC this year, just did by a bike and rode it for the first time in over two years last weekend. He says that he has a bit of work to do between now and the end of August! Steve Fleck

Steve, the owner of the Hog’s Breath in Penticton did his first triathlon EVER Sunday… yesterday. he was dead last, but still game. his next race?  IMC. I would guess his motto goes something like "go hard or go home" — Tim Hartley SFU Kinesiology

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: the owner of the Hog’s Breath in Penticton did his first triathlon : EVER Sunday… yesterday. : he was dead last, but still game. : his next race?  IMC. I heard the Hog’s Breath is for sale too?  Hmmm, I better get his name…maybe we can work something out in the course of the run.  ;-) Jason "training is overrated" — Jason Mayfield     Arlington, VA "Do or do not, there is no ‘try’"  - Yoda     40 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘98

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In case you have not checked your calender: You now have *50* trainning days left. "Bwahahahaha . . . "

50? Bring it on man! I’m HUNGRY for this race!                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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*50* more day’s until Ironman Canada?!!! Cool, I still have *49.5* days to get ready!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Dennis McMinn

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Dennis, my friend, I know this great little run in Portland that might be PERFECT for preping . . . Good Training, Good Racing, 28 Days of "IM Push" – yes, the "Quickening" – left!!! Joe

Oh sure Joe … like I am going to fall for that trick! Besides, I don’t have time to get lost on Wildwood trail with you, I only have 48 more day’s to buy a bike and start training . DOH! Speakin’ of bike .. I need to stop goofin’ off here and get out and riiiiiiiidddde! Dennis

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Oh sure Joe … like I am going to fall for that trick! Besides, I don’t have time to get lost on Wildwood trail with you, I only have 48 more day’s to buy a bike and start training . DOH! Speakin’ of bike .. I need to stop goofin’ off here and get out and riiiiiiiidddde! Dennis

A bike? I need a bike for Ironman Canada? Damn, why didn’t someone tell me this before…                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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In case you have not checked your calender: You now have *50* trainning days left. "Bwahahahaha . . . " Good Training, Good Racing, and it’s really to *30*, "if" your tapering .. . . Joe Joseph C. Foster "There will come a point in the race, when you alone will need to decide. You will need to make a choice. Do you really want it? You will need to decide." – Rolf Arands

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Ouch!! Like I did not have enough butterflies prior to this sobering reality check. Do you think they would be willing to move it back a few weeks while I prepare? Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In case you have not checked your calender: You now have *50* trainning days left. "Bwahahahaha . . . " Good Training, Good Racing, and it’s really to *30*, "if" your tapering .. . . Joe Joseph C. Foster "There will come a point in the race, when you alone will need to decide. You will need to make a choice. Do you really want it? You will need to decide." – Rolf Arands

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Dennis, my friend, I know this great little run in Portland that might be PERFECT for preping . . . Good Training, Good Racing, 28 Days of "IM Push" – yes, the "Quickening" – left!!! Joe Joseph C. Foster "There is more to life than increasing its speed."-  Mahatma Gandhi who was never a  Triathlete.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   He was honored as the winner at the awards last night.   QRman Thanks Dan, This could all be some rubbish (rumour) which Web sites relish. For example, with the triathlete on-line site, it stopped updating immediately before the end of the mens’ finishers (Hell’s Beagle and Van Wierd) – froze any info for around at least 2 hrs.  This is exactly the same (ploy they used) as last year with the PNF/Smyers finish.  NOTHING came across after PNF collapsed until 4-5 hours later.  Even worse this year, I logged back in about 5 hrs later, and the info had gone *backwards* (we’d lost some of the later info). What does this do?  Induce people to rabidly update their pages (translated to hits, which keeps sponsors happy) well beyond the time they’d have gone and done something else. What’s that got to do with the rumoured DQ?  Imagine this scenario:     *   Web site thinks, hmm… game’s over, how do I keep getting hits?  Ahh..         controversy.  Let’s remove an entrant (such as a winner), and then seed         a chat room venue and news with a DQ rumour.  The original news item         *did* state the web site address which had the missing winner.     *   Leave the rest to human nature.     *   Hits continue – sponsors are happy. There *could* be other reasons why web sites suddenly suffer an information drought around crucial times – eg, is there a comms (phone, internet, whatever) bottleneck out of Kona?  Do web sites get the attention of malicious users at the wrong time?  My site twice behaved mysteriously last weekend – and I had no on-line reports!  Maybe it was someone wanting to "change" my Kona Contest to win the Scotch Whisky I had on offer, who knows .. I originally though it could be some gross misunderstanding.  The poor guy is a rookie and may not have been up with zealous officials.  His colourful English was funny enough (equating chicken pox to goose bumps ). I didn’t take the bait – what will be will be.  If he is DQ’d, fine, I’ll hear about it. —   Woof!

Van Leider’s uncle was the real person responsible for assasinating JFK which had been kept secret until this week. To make up for his sin (the WTC is Latin for CIA), he sacrificed his nephew’s moment of glory by having him DQ’ed.  If you don’t hear from me anymore you’ll know why. — All comments and opinions expressed are those of my employer and not my own.  Please sue them and leave me out of it. Tod Meinke

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refused the post race drug test and was DQ’d. This report is unconfirmed and was heard on the Sportline Chat room.

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He was honored as the winner at the awards last night. QRman

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Did Van Leider get two drafting penalties?  Did something else happen? Or are the official results wrong?

I’ve re-checked this mornings results and they seem fine. Maybe they made a mistake earlier? I still have Van Lierde listed as #1. — Shea http://www.cisfi28.demon.co.uk/

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  He was honored as the winner at the awards last night.     QRman Thanks Dan, This could all be some rubbish (rumour) which Web sites relish. For example, with the triathlete on-line site, it stopped updating immediately before the end of the mens’ finishers (Hell’s Beagle and Van Wierd) – froze any info for around at least 2 hrs.  This is exactly the same (ploy they used) as last year with the PNF/Smyers finish.  NOTHING came across after PNF collapsed until 4-5 hours later.  Even worse this year, I logged back in about 5 hrs later, and the info had gone *backwards* (we’d lost some of the later info). What does this do?  Induce people to rabidly update their pages (translated to hits, which keeps sponsors happy) well beyond the time they’d have gone and done something else. What’s that got to do with the rumoured DQ?  Imagine this scenario:     *   Web site thinks, hmm… game’s over, how do I keep getting hits?  Ahh..         controversy.  Let’s remove an entrant (such as a winner), and then seed         a chat room venue and news with a DQ rumour.  The original news item         *did* state the web site address which had the missing winner.     *   Leave the rest to human nature.     *   Hits continue – sponsors are happy. There *could* be other reasons why web sites suddenly suffer an information drought around crucial times – eg, is there a comms (phone, internet, whatever) bottleneck out of Kona?  Do web sites get the attention of malicious users at the wrong time?  My site twice behaved mysteriously last weekend – and I had no on-line reports!  Maybe it was someone wanting to "change" my Kona Contest to win the Scotch Whisky I had on offer, who knows .. I originally though it could be some gross misunderstanding.  The poor guy is a rookie and may not have been up with zealous officials.  His colourful English was funny enough (equating chicken pox to goose bumps ). I didn’t take the bait – what will be will be.  If he is DQ’d, fine, I’ll hear about it. —   Woof!

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Luc Van Leider finished first last night at IMH.  This morning he’s gone from the official results – Hellriegel is now listed as the winner. Is this real?  What happened?  Luc did get one drafting penalty, two is a DQ.  It was also thought that Hellriegel had a drafting penalty (yea, right, who’s HE gonna draft off of – I think drafting would just slow him down) but that turned out to be wrong. Did Van Leider get two drafting penalties?  Did something else happen? Or are the official results wrong? Phil Edelen

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The results at http://www.ilhawaii.net/~m_gleaf/results/ironman/96/overall.html have changed, and now show: 1 Luc Van Lierde    27   Belgium    :51:36  4:30:44  2:41:48  08:04:08 2 Thomas Hellriegel 25   Germany    :54:22  4:24:50  2:46:55  08:06:07 3 Greg Welch        31   Australia  :51:23  4:35:43  2:51:51  08:18:57 4 Peter Reid        27   Canada     :54:22  4:30:33  2:59:42  08:24:37 5 Dave Scott        42   Colorado   :53:16  4:49:55  2:45:20  08:28:31

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Netcom if you would like results please contact us for them or our calendar listing for the rest of 1995. we are lin-mark computer sports of mantua nj

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snip<< My other question relates to Tri-Fed membership apps.  I sent one of the cards from Triathlete magazine in the first week in January applying for 1995 Tri-Fed membership.  I haven’t heard anything yet.  Does anybody have a phone number I can call to ask about the matter? Thanks for any info. Suzanne

Suzanne: Call Steve Locke at Tri Fed..(719) 597-9090. If that doesn’r get you immediate help. E-mail me and I’ll help. Scott Zagarino

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I need some information about Ironman Canada from you folks who have done the race before.

Check out the info at: http://iac.net/~miller/triathlon-home.html

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Does anybody have results for the Berlin Marathon (25 Sep)?  I understand Mark Allen, triathlete extraordinaire, was trying to qualify for the U.S. Olympic trials at this race.  Did he succeed?

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(Steven K. Howard) writes:

Mark Allen dnf the marathon. He had a cramp. Don Herron in Kansas City

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Does anybody have results for the Berlin Marathon (25 Sep)?  I understand Mark Allen, triathlete extraordinaire, was trying to qualify for the U.S. Olympic trials at this race.  Did he succeed?

DNF. Went thru the 1/2-way point on a 2:18 pace and then dropped out somewhere around the 30-K mark due to cramping/tightness in his quads. — + Mike D. Kail     + +                  +

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