My son uses this as a recovery drink (he’s into triathlon). Taste leaves something to be desired. A good place to order is www.netrition.com. It’s $32 per 4.5lb tub, and shipping is reasonable. — Brian Henry
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df – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son uses this as a recovery drink (he’s into triathlon). Taste leaves something to be desired. A good place to order is www.netrition.com. It’s $32 per 4.5lb tub, and shipping is reasonable. — Brian Henry Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
fdsaf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son uses this as a recovery drink (he’s into triathlon). Taste leaves something to be desired. A good place to order is www.netrition.com. It’s $32 per 4.5lb tub, and shipping is reasonable. — Brian Henry Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
fd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son uses this as a recovery drink (he’s into triathlon). Taste leaves something to be desired. A good place to order is www.netrition.com. It’s $32 per 4.5lb tub, and shipping is reasonable. — Brian Henry Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – df My son uses this as a recovery drink (he’s into triathlon). Taste leaves something to be desired. A good place to order is www.netrition.com. It’s $32 per 4.5lb tub, and shipping is reasonable. — Brian Henry Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
Remember Endurox R4 is really designed as a post-workout nutritional supplement; it will not work as well as an energy drink during activity. R4 is based on some research (although there is not that much of it) that mixing 4 g of CHO with 1 g of protein increases glycogen resynthesis in the muscle. This makes some sense because combining CHO and Protein will have a huge impact (positively) in insulin secretion (insulin is important for getting CHO into the muscles). That said, I recommend something with CHO for athletes after exercise within the first hour of completing a workout. Since it is often hard to get to a meal or one might not feel like eating, some form of sport drink or energy bar is a good stopgap measure until the athlete can get to a plate of real food. Some people might also not feel like eating if they are hot; thus a liquid source is a good alternative. Perhaps use the R4 as a supplement but do not let it replace a real meal.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi fellow runners. I am currently training for a half Ironman. I am running 40-45 miles per weak. Plus swim and bike workouts. Has anyone tried this endurox r4 I’ve seen advertised in magazines. Is it worth the $38-$40 per can. Are the results signifcant.Thanks for any help Matt
How about doing some indoor runs on a treadmill and raising the temperature in the room a few degrees each time so that you are getting acclimated. Otherwise when you move to FL, take it easy and spend a lot of time outdoors even when you are not training. Increase fluid intake along with electrolyte intake to aid in hydration. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am moving to florida shortly from new england and need to acclimatize to the heat fast if i am to continue my marathon training…PLS HELP…tips on how to do this will be most appreciated. — Lillian
i am moving to florida shortly from new england and need to acclimatize to the heat fast if i am to continue my marathon training…PLS HELP…tips on how to do this will be most appreciated.
Lillian: You’ll need to back off at the beginning and really work on staying hydrated. Limit your running to the morning and evening until you get used to it. You need to learn your body’s specific needs and capabilities in the heat and how fast/long you can go without hurting yourself. You need to find that edge of the cliff and figure out the warning signs that keep you from going over it. The only way to do that is to do it. Experience counts. Once you have a handle on that, then you can work on the mental side. I personally think that except for hydration, running in the heat is more mental than physical. We all have to slow down in the heat and we all have to drink more. That’s physiological. But the willingness to run as fast and long as we can <without hurting our selves physically comes from inside. I train in the heat because I often have to race in the heat at the end of a triathlon. I’m one of those crazy people out running at mid-day in the south in July. It’s not fun, but it does prepare you to race in it. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03
i am moving to florida shortly from new england and need to acclimatize to the heat fast if i am to continue my marathon training…PLS HELP…tips on how to do this will be most appreciated. — Lillian
i am moving to florida shortly from new england and need to acclimatize to the heat fast if i am to continue my marathon training…PLS HELP…tips on how to do this will be most appreciated.
I have lived in Florida most of my life and have run the New York City Marathon several times (which means that I had to do a lot of running in the summer). The best time to run is when the sun is going down – the air is beginning to cool, and the humidity is relatively low at that time. Early in the morning is good too as it is cooler then than it is in the evening, but the humidity is close to 100% in the morning. I did my long run early in the morning and most of my other runs in the evening. Be sure to bring a water bottle with you. I think I used hanteens, which were advertised in Runner’s World – they were shaped like dumb-bells and were very easy to carry. The alternative is to plan your route so that you will periodically pass a drinking fountain. I used to refill my handteens when needed at a small public park and a Unitarian Church that had a drinking fountain outside. Don’t run during the middle of the day when the sun is high in the sky. This may sound like silly advice, but I have seen people out doing runs over the bridge (Florida’s version of hill training) at noon time. Needless to say, there are no trees on the bridge! Good luck – you’ll get used to it. Don’t do too much at the beginning. Jean S.
I’d say the only thing to learn about running in the heat is to get a sense of at just what point to back off the pace. If you’re breaking into a profuse sweat at 8 min/miles then slow down until the sweating is manageable. That’s what you have to teach yourself. The heat is just like lactic acid. You need to learn how much you can handle and for how long. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Running in the heat is as much mental as physical. You have to learn to accept it. I used to think that running in the heat was better training than running in cooler weather, but have changed my mind. Why? Because you can’t do the same quality runs in the heat – you have to reduce the pace. Training at a slower pace makes you…. slower.
I’ve lived – and run – in one of the hottest, most humid places in the U.S. (Washington DC) all my life. I’ve spent some summers with air conditioning and some without. I’ve not discerned a difference in running efficiency. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It just occurred to me as I was cranking up the air conditioning that maybe I could actually do better running in the heat if I spent less time living in the cool. I know that one’s body learns to sweat more efficiently (i.e., one becomes acclimatized) the more one runs in the heat. So I was wondering if living conditions also play a role. That is, can one gain an advantage by "living in the heat", so to speak. It’s not really that bad here in southern New England (mid 80’s for highs, 65-70 for lows), so I could conceivable make do with just natural ventilation and save a bundle on the electric bill…admittedly it’s about 10 degrees hotter than I would like, but I could get used to it… I guess this is somewhat related to the whole "live high/train high" vs. "live high/train low" argument. S
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It just occurred to me as I was cranking up the air conditioning that maybe I could actually do better running in the heat if I spent less time living in the cool. Probably not so. I have lived in Florida most of my life, even in the days before most people had air conditioning in their homes. When you are hot all the time, 24 hours a day, you don’t feel like doing much of anything. I had a little reminder of what it was like when Floyd knocked out my power for four days last September – it was very very hot inside. So, don’t feel guilty about the ac – enjoy it! :-) jean S.
Interesting. I was going to say that spending more time in the heat would help one to acclimate and perhaps even run better in cooler weather. This is my experience: I returned to Ghana (a country in West Africa) for research this past summer and was unused to the heat and humidity. After doing research there for two months and returning to the U.S. I realised that running in the cooler California weather was actually much easier. That’s why I say spending time in the heat (not necessarily outdoors, but just being indoors without A/C, would help). By the way, I didn’t get much chance to experience A/C in Ghana except for the few times in the restaurants. Of course, I’ve lost that edge now….but until I return to Ghana again. C
It just occurred to me as I was cranking up the air conditioning that maybe I could actually do better running in the heat if I spent less time living in the cool.
I doubt if there’s much correlation, even tho I use the AC as little as possible – only during summer. We live in very hot and humid southeast Georgia. We also keep it set warmer than most folks do. But it’s not a training thing. I know that one’s body learns to sweat more efficiently (i.e., one becomes acclimatized) the more one runs in the heat.
Running in the heat is as much mental as physical. You have to learn to accept it. I used to think that running in the heat was better training than running in cooler weather, but have changed my mind. Why? Because you can’t do the same quality runs in the heat – you have to reduce the pace. Training at a slower pace makes you…. slower. I’ve only got anecdotal evidence, but I see a lot of northern triathletes kick butt in hot southern courses, despite all our southern "heat training." Their overall quality of training my be better because of the longer period of cooler (faster) training time. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38
Interesting. I was going to say that spending more time in the heat would help one to acclimate and perhaps even run better in cooler weather. This is my experience: I returned to Ghana (a country in West Africa) for research this past summer and was unused to the heat and humidity. After doing research there for two months and returning to the U.S. I realised that running in the cooler California weather was actually much easier. That’s why I say spending time in the heat (not necessarily outdoors, but just being indoors without A/C, would help). By the way, I didn’t get much chance to experience A/C in Ghana except for the few times in the restaurants. Of course, I’ve lost that edge now….but until I return to Ghana again. C
Sorry. In case I confused anyone, I actually ran a lot in the heat while in Ghana. It was that type of training that helped me run better when I returned to he cooler United States. I’m not sure just sitting around in the heat while in Ghana would help. But training in the heat helped tremendously. I also found out that coolmax material and other high tech fabric are fairly useless in the tropical weather of Africa. It’s a bit better than cotton, but within 10 minutes, my coolmax shorts and singlets were soaked to the point where sweat was dripping by the ounce. The problem is that the humidity prevents the quick evaporation of the sweat, so the sweat accumulates to the point where the fabric can’t hold it any more. Every time after my run, I look like I went swimming. C
It just occurred to me as I was cranking up the air conditioning that maybe I could actually do better running in the heat if I spent less time living in the cool.
Probably not so. I have lived in Florida most of my life, even in the days before most people had air conditioning in their homes. When you are hot all the time, 24 hours a day, you don’t feel like doing much of anything. I had a little reminder of what it was like when Floyd knocked out my power for four days last September – it was very very hot inside. So, don’t feel guilty about the ac – enjoy it! :-) jean S.
It just occurred to me as I was cranking up the air conditioning that maybe I could actually do better running in the heat if I spent less time living in the cool. I know that one’s body learns to sweat more efficiently (i.e., one becomes acclimatized) the more one runs in the heat. So I was wondering if living conditions also play a role. That is, can one gain an advantage by "living in the heat", so to speak. It’s not really that bad here in southern New England (mid 80’s for highs, 65-70 for lows), so I could conceivable make do with just natural ventilation and save a bundle on the electric bill…admittedly it’s about 10 degrees hotter than I would like, but I could get used to it… I guess this is somewhat related to the whole "live high/train high" vs. "live high/train low" argument. S
In case anyone was wondering – the last word in my original "Help with Hill climbing.." post should have been "downturn" not "downtown". Serves me right for trying to be coherent after midnight.
Olivier, you’re forgetting Embrun… ;-) Nicolas.
Hi Nico, Great fun to have an english post between 2 french guys, separated by only a few kilometers 
No, I did not forget Embrun. There is not an average 15% grade on more than 1 km (I do not forget Palon, of course), even in the col d’Izoard. Just note that the small chainring is a 39 for a 650 setup!! I know that Cordier has a 39/25, but with 700 wheels. Even if you are not able to push very hard, something like 36-37/26 should be enough to "climb to the trees" for a reasonably trained person (And I can’t figure out how an Ironman athlete cannot be reasonnably trained). Olivier Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
No, I did not forget Embrun. There is not an average 15% grade on more than 1 km (I do not forget Palon, of course), even in the col d’Izoard. Just note that the small chainring is a 39 for a 650 setup!! I know that Cordier has a 39/25, but with 700 wheels. Even if you are not able to push very hard, something like 36-37/26 should be enough to "climb to the trees" for a reasonably trained person (And I can’t figure out how an Ironman athlete cannot be reasonnably trained).
The Palon wall (Yes, I think we can call it a wall) seemed to me much longer than 1km and much steeper than 16%…. Maybe it just because I went soooo slooooow. But you’re right, 39×26 was enough for me (with 700 wheels). Nicolas.
I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Get a triple. With the 650 wheels, 39/26 should be much enough (it is around 36/37 for 700 wheels) to spin in almost every type of climb, except 15%, but I do not really see which organizer would define a bike section with a such a LONG climb.
Olivier, you’re forgetting Embrun… ;-) Nicolas.
<good stuff I’ll second Rick’s advice that your only real solution at this point is gearing. You don’t have time to improve significantly and you already know your gears are too big, else you wouldn’t have had to walk. A triple crank sounds like a good idea. You need to have a granny gear that you can spin away and crawl up the hills without beating your legs up. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??
I’m certainly no expert, but I can tell you that if you are like me (a sorry hillclimber), you can dramatically improve your abilities in a few weeks. I went to Kauai earlier this year to visit mom and dad (), and since in Florida the closest thing to a hill is a tall bridge, I was scared to death of the hills in Kauai. I thought that the way to do a hill is to begin in a tall gear, and as I tire and slow, shift down one gear to keep the same cadence. This works on little bridges, but isn’t worth a flip on long hills. I learned real quick to gear way down at the start and just go slow and steady. The first ride dad took me on was about 25 miles with several short hills, and a good one at the end. I thought I would die. In two weeks time, we did an 80 miler with 6500 ft of hills. Of course dad would get way ahead of me, but he would just turn around and climb again to give me time and embarrass me. If you arent already beginning the hills in a low gear, try it. If you are already doing this, consider the triple. But dont believe you cant improve in 6 weeks. Rich "dad kicks my butt on the bike and run, but I got him on the swim part" DaVico * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Get a triple.
With the 650 wheels, 39/26 should be much enough (it is around 36/37 for 700 wheels) to spin in almost every type of climb, except 15%, but I do not really see which organizer would define a bike section with a such a LONG climb. Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Although vast improvements are unlikely at this point, you may get some benefit by really hammering some hills over the next three weeks.
Yes. Climbing and climbing will help you better climb during a race. What you can also do is the combination of spinning and power rides: One day in the week, climb and ride with the large chainring (because the 39 with your current bike set up will not be enough), the duration depends can be from 1 hour to 2 hours (after warm up). It will be hard, but you will gain power. (Do not forget to stretch) Another day, plan a very high spinning session, with a climb. Try to get the "smoother" pedaling (what we call "tourner rond" in french) to be efficient. Plan another ride near your competition level and a last one for recovery and fun (spinning). If you feel you can do more, add a spinning session, with some intervals in a climb. This should help. Olivier Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing?
In general, spin. Stand occasionally is you want a different position for a short time or to stretch your legs, but in general, spin. I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient?
Get a triple. Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race?
Although vast improvements are unlikely at this point, you may get some benefit by really hammering some hills over the next three weeks. Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown.
Don’t worry about it. You now know what you’re faced with. Nice and easy and you’ll be fine. — Cheers, Doug "Rick, Rolf and Ken are wise men" Fuller IMLP-99, 12:40 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Hi, With only 6 weeks to go till the race you want to be careful that you don’t push too hard on the hills in training or you’ll pay for it by being fatigued on race day. If it was me I would do 2 quality hill rides a week for the next 3 weeks. Try and find hills around your home area that simulate the type of terrain you’re going to encounter in the race. If the area where you live is flat you can try turning a big gear on the flat but DON’T do this if you haven’t done it before. That type of training is effective but also its easy to get injuries from. Six weeks isn’t really a lot of time to improve hill climbing. Just try and get out for a few good quality hill rides in the next 3 weeks and try not to worry about the race. Take this one as a learning experience and don’t worry if you don’t perform as well as you were hoping. There will always be other races……but not if you burn yourself out now. Good luck…. Corran ps – the gear you’re riding should be adequate but if you’re still finding it hard to push maybe consider sticking a 28 (or bigger) on the back. Ideally you will want to spin up the hills because you will burn less energy that way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At least you didn’t find out about this AT THE RACE. It could be worse. Just by previewing the course, you’ll be better able to endure during the race. The worst thing is not knowing what is around the corner and thinking that every hill HAS TO BE your last. You’ll be slower on the course, but you’ll make it. Maybe you should do another IM distance race that has a course more suited to your ability after this race to give you something to look forward to. Best of luck. I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing? I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown. Thanks Bob Leckron 45-49 (as of next week) Indianapolis, IN Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Don’t look at hills as a problem, look at them as just a slower part of the course. The best way to become a better climber is to locate a short hill, 1/4 to 1/2 mile long with a grade of about 10%. Start by doing the hill 6 times in a relatively easy gear. Time each climb and record it. Start you climb at a comfortable level, say 70% MHR, and go the distance to warm up. On the next repeat start the same way but increase your effort level to about 85% during the last 100 meters. Your third climb should be an all out effort from start to finish. Fourth repeat a copy of the first at 70%. fifth will be a fast start in a hard gear and maintain a 87% HR by gearing down as you tire. Last climb will be another all out effort from bottom to top followed by a cool down ride of several miles. Do this once a week when you are rested. It is important to be able to give your all to the max effort climbs. You will be surprised at how fast this will improve your strength in all aspects of cycling but don’t neglect your long overdistance rides. They are the most important part of your training. + record) , IMH97 (1st in AG), PowerMan Hawaii 98 (1st in AG + record) , Gulf Coast Half IM 98 (1st in AG) , 1998 IMH (3rd in Age Group) http://www.ironmantri.com/davico.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing? I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown. Thanks Bob Leckron 45-49 (as of next week) Indianapolis, IN
<great advice for gearing OPINION – I believe that many triathletes ride gearing that is too big for their britches. I ride a 39/53 12×28 8 speed on my Trek (700c), and a 42/53 12×27 9 speed on my Kestrel (650c). I have had many people laugh when I quote these numbers. No one was laughing when I spun up the hills from Wilmington to Lake Placid in the last 12 miles of Ironman Lake Placid though I felt great going up. A Softride rider blasted past me on the flats, and I passed him back on the climb to Wilmington. He watched me spin by as he struggled out of the saddle, commenting, "Man, you’ve got the right gears." My bike time was reasonable (6:14) despite about 10 minutes of stop time to fix a saddle bugaboo, and I managed to put together a decent run (4:21) on that course. I was out of the saddle just a few times throughout the 112 miles, mostly to stretch the legs. Listen to Rick — he knoweth what he says. -Rolf "27s and 28s rule" A. — This space for rent IMC’94-14:07 IMC’95-11:59 IMC’97-12:12 IMC’98-14:02 IMNZ99-11:52 IMLP99-11:59
couple more things, by your third week of doing these hill repeats increase the number to 10 if possible. After the second week do your 4th and 7th repeat out of the saddle from bottom to top. This will build your strength, your long overdistance training will build endurance. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t look at hills as a problem, look at them as just a slower part of the course. The best way to become a better climber is to locate a short hill, 1/4 to 1/2 mile long with a grade of about 10%. Start by doing the hill 6 times in a relatively easy gear. Time each climb and record it. Start you climb at a comfortable level, say 70% MHR, and go the distance to warm up. On the next repeat start the same way but increase your effort level to about 85% during the last 100 meters. Your third climb should be an all out effort from start to finish. Fourth repeat a copy of the first at 70%. fifth will be a fast start in a hard gear and maintain a 87% HR by gearing down as you tire. Last climb will be another all out effort from bottom to top followed by a cool down ride of several miles. Do this once a week when you are rested. It is important to be able to give your all to the max effort climbs. You will be surprised at how fast this will improve your strength in all aspects of cycling but don’t neglect your long overdistance rides. They are the most important part of your training. AG + record) , IMH97 (1st in AG), PowerMan Hawaii 98 (1st in AG + record) , Gulf Coast Half IM 98 (1st in AG) , 1998 IMH (3rd in Age Group) http://www.ironmantri.com/davico.html I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing? I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown. Thanks Bob Leckron 45-49 (as of next week) Indianapolis, IN
At least you didn’t find out about this AT THE RACE. It could be worse. Just by previewing the course, you’ll be better able to endure during the race. The worst thing is not knowing what is around the corner and thinking that every hill HAS TO BE your last. You’ll be slower on the course, but you’ll make it. Maybe you should do another IM distance race that has a course more suited to your ability after this race to give you something to look forward to. Best of luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing? I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown. Thanks Bob Leckron 45-49 (as of next week) Indianapolis, IN
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I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing?
The whole point of Ironman (sez me, entirely theoretically!), is to manage resources. In a bike race, you might attack a hill out of the saddle to make your competitors suffer if you think you’re stronger. But in a triathlon, you choose a work level that you can maintain for the distance. I would want to avoid standing on the pedals at all, if possible. I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient?
If you had to walk the hills, then I would say it is not enough. Get thee a triple. Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race?
Get thee a triple. You have not enough time to turn yourself into a hill climber if you aren’t one already. Don’t feel badly about this–if I even to Lake Placid, I will do it with a triple. I don’t want to fill my legs with lactic acid when I still have to go 26 miles afoot. I can hammer on the flats, but some of us just don’t have hill-climber in our genes. Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown.
Get it back by installing a triple front. Then you can mosy up the hills spinning in a granny gear. It’s slower than a 39-26, but you’ll make up the time later. In any case, a granny gear is faster than walking. A buddy of mine (and former RST lurker) did the bike leg of Wildflower in a relay. He maintained, comfortably, a 20 mph pace until The Hill At Mile 42. So he didn’t suck as a cyclist. But he completely blew up on the hill, and had to stop, rest, and walk. Then he had to endure the post-bonk remaining very non-trivial 12 miles. The next year, he and I rode the course two months before the race. I climbed the hill on a 42-26, in crawl mode. Again, the remaining 12 miles were miserable. In the race that year, he rode the relay again, and this time rode a triple. He sat and spinned easily going up the hill. People passed him. Some of those people he saw again. But he beat his previous time by over 20 minutes. Rick "I now have a Campy Racing Triple held in reserve just for these occasions" Denney
I’m entered in my first Ironman distance race in less than 6 weeks – Pineman on 9/25. I rode the bike course Saturday and found that my home area training has been seriously inadequate – this course is relentlessly hilly, with longer and steeper hills than I had ever tried to ride before. I found myself getting off to walk the uphills on numerous occasions, and realized that I will have to do much better during the race next month to make the bike cutoff. With less than 6 weeks before the race, I realize that major physical improvement is unlikely. What I am looking for here is advice from the veteran cyclists of the group about techniques for handling long and/or steep hills. When do you want to spin up hills, and when do you want to stand for climbing? I have 39/26 as my lowest combination (650 wheels) – should that be sufficient? Is there any other advice you can offer for improving my hill technique enough to possibly make it through the race? Right now I’m all right physically after Saturday’s ride – but the confidence factor has taken a major downtown. Thanks Bob Leckron 45-49 (as of next week) Indianapolis, IN
I love Lance and his comeback and attitude, but did anyone notice that the really big names in cycling did not make the tour this year? Riis, Jalabert, Pantani, Ullrich…to name a few.
Anyone who ever who any race only did so because the faster person didn’t show up. The fact is that in this TDF Lance Armstrong is the strongest rider. I don’t see the point in Monday morning quarterbacking. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm
A few questions: Aren’t the French always crying or being rude about something? This seems to fall right in line. snip I love Lance and his comeback and attitude, but did anyone notice that the really big names in cycling did not make the tour this year? Riis, Jalabert, Pantani, Ullrich…to name a few. Seems that the big race this year was the Giro d’Italia.
Maybe they didn’t come because of drug testing? ( Like LVL not defending his IM title) We will never know. But it does not diminish Lance’s acomplishment due to their absence. Bruce Platt
A few questions: Aren’t the French always crying or being rude about something? This seems to fall right in line. If everyone is being tested randomly and knows the testing procedures, than it’s an equal playing field…Is that not fair? Is Lance Armstrong NOT THE MAN!!??? answer is no, he is the man! Why do most lazy Americans get excited about a bunch of geysers going around a track in a car and then ridicule a true race of endurance like the TDF? I love Lance and his comeback and attitude, but did anyone notice that the really big names in cycling did not make the tour this year? Riis, Jalabert, Pantani, Ullrich…to name a few. Seems that the big race this year was the Giro d’Italia. Why do you park a car in driveway and drive a car on a parkway?
Ah, Lance. Kicking butt, taking names, and making everyone forget about the drug scandal. yes and no, there have been MANY suspicious remarks levelled against Armstrong and his performances possilby being performance enhanced. see:
I’d say there have been many jealous remarks by the French tabloids, which have even less credibility than US tabloids. An American is leading their race. What else would you expect? Bike racing like it ought to be. And doing it with those slow, stupid American domestiques, heh, heh. i hope this is sarcasm, but even if it is sarcasm, it’s in extremely poor taste and gives proof to the truth of your signature line.
Good grief, Mark. Chill out. You have to be the ONLY person that didn’t chuckle at Rick’s dig at the European teams. The USPS team is doing a great job and everyone knows it. It’s got to be killing the Euro’s, especially Cofidis,who wrote him off. Lance has been pretty open that he’s out to get some revenge. <snip Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney yes, it shows.
What’s with the attitude? Rick expressed thoughts similar to what a lot of us are feeling. Pride in Lance’s and the USPS team’s accomplishments and belief that he’s clean. If you’ve got some secret pipeline to the "real" truth, call one of the French tabloids. I’m sure they’ll be interested. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??
They haven’t — Lance Armstrong’s just given the media something more interesting to talk about. — MB.
And the scandal from last year at least made all the teams aware of the rules so that they would moderate their use to avoid getting caught. If everyone is using drugs to the same moderate level, then the athletes are competitive again, and probably no more drugged than other professional athletes in other sports. That’s probably as good as we can expect. Rick "I didn’t say drugs were eliminated, just taken out of the picture" Denney
Ah, Lance. Kicking butt, taking names, and making everyone forget about the drug scandal. yes and no, there have been MANY suspicious remarks levelled against Armstrong and his performances possilby being performance enhanced. see: from www.procycling.com
[Lots of stereotypical French anti-American crap snipped] Well, the French are rather known for being crybabies when their guys get trounced in their own race, don’t you think? And do you think their guys aren’t getting the same kind of help? So, why can’t they keep up? why does the euro press always think that a strong performance must be from doping? If everyone or almost everyoned dopes- you still will see a strong performance from the superbly genetically gifted doped cyclist. Conversely, if nobody doped (hah!) there would be the same superbly genetically gifted clean rider crushing all around. Armstrong almost died from cancer and is winning the Tour. How many other riders could come back like he has- whether they’re doped to the gills or not?… Probably zero.
That’s my point–everyone is using their drugs consistently, because the testing standards are now well known and understood. That’s the main result of last year’s scandal. And Lance’s genetic gifts and whatever enhancement he receives (probably from a hypobaric chamber) don’t diminish his accomplishments in my view. He is demonstrating extreme dedication, training, ability to suffer, and heart, whatever else he might also be demonstrating. He’s also doing it on his own terms, without the usual pro-athlete reticence. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -check out the following link about lance’s doctors and their opinion of Lance and doping possiblities/inuendo http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/sports/story.html?s=v/ap/1999… Bike racing like it ought to be. And doing it with those slow, stupid American domestiques, heh, heh. i hope this is sarcasm, but even if it is sarcasm, it’s in extremely poor taste and gives proof to the truth of your signature line. the usps team (all americans except one in this years TdeF) has been winning the team title every single day this year, and just lost it today. The american domestiques are doing an incredible job supporting and positioning lance so far.
Well, good taste is in the mind of the beholder. It definitely was sarcasm. I was lampooning the general opinion of American cyclists by Europeans in general, and the French in particular. I was also highlighting the point that not only was an American taking the race by storm, but doing so with an American team. That’s unprecedented. Remember the Olympics in ‘96, when Armstrong was victim to a mafia of European riders, and the Americans not strong enough to give him the team support he needed? Sure, he may have been suffering from the cancer even then, but I saw the race, and the Americans were not strong enough to enforce a winning strategy, especially against united Europeans. We’ve come a long way just since then, and that’s nothing compared to where we’ve come in the 20 years I’ve been involved in cycling. Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture. a very naive picture. why would doping be taken out of the picture, when the really strong performance enhancers or undetectable with current drug testing methods- EPO, synthetic hemoglobin, and Human Growth Hormone- to name a few.
See my other posts. I didn’t say drugs were eliminated, just leveled to take them out of the competitiveness equation. But, doggone it, I’m getting tired of this ultra-cynical approach to everything. If everyone is taking drugs to a simialar extent, then Lance is still kicking butt on his own terms. I don’t think you are disagreeing with that, but I really can’t tell. Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney yes, it shows.
Oh, please spare me. Rick "Remembering the days of Jock Boyer (only American in the Tour) and our pride at finishing 32nd or some such" Denney
FWIW, what are the odds that Lance, having survived cancer, which must alter one’s perspective on life dramatically, putting a screwy chemical in his body for the purposes of improving his cycling. I’m not totally sure but I think that there’s no one really knows what long term use of EPO does. Maybe cancer, seems like every weird drug/chemical out there causes it. It just seems too unlikely that a cancer survivor would deem cycling, albeit professional cycling, important enough to risk any further damage to his health. Just my 2 cents, Paul
Then again, there was that question they asked some number of athletes at the 84 Olympics — "if there was a drug that would ensure your winning a gold medal but would kill you in x number of years would you take it." From what I heard, 90% (?) of the respondants said yes. I would think a professional cyclist would answwer in the same manner concerning the winning of the TDF.
FWIW, what are the odds that Lance, having survived cancer, which must alter one’s perspective on life dramatically, putting a screwy chemical in his body for the purposes of improving his cycling. I’m not totally sure but I think that there’s no one really knows what long term use of EPO does. Maybe cancer, seems like every weird drug/chemical out there causes it. It just seems too unlikely that a cancer survivor would deem cycling, albeit professional cycling, important enough to risk any further damage to his health. Just my 2 cents, Paul
why does the euro press always think that a strong performance must be from doping? If everyone or almost everyoned dopes- you still will see a strong performance from the superbly genetically gifted doped cyclist. Conversely, if nobody doped (hah!) there would be the same superbly genetically gifted clean rider crushing all around. Armstrong almost died from cancer and is winning the Tour. How many other riders could come back like he has- whether they’re doped to the gills or not?… Probably zero.
And why is it that if an American is leading the TdF that all drugs must have miraculously disappeared? The chances as you yourself said are low. The recovery of Lance Armstrong is indeed incredible, but there is no need here to throw away a little bit of our protective cynicism on the strength of a fairytale ending (hopefully). I will cheer if Armstrong wins, but I won’t chime in with all the rest who proclaim that the TdF and cycling has been reborn because of it. I am already cringing at the thought of a made for TV special showing the victory over adversity ( the deal must be in the offing, mustn’t it?) Andy A Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture.
see this article about chris horner a pro american cyclist who has been racing in europe for the past three years. before he left, he was racing only in the united states and was one of the winningest riders for the 1996 us cycling road season… at the time many accusations from the cycling community were speculating his probably usage of illegal performance enhancements… http://www.uniontrib.com/news/uniontrib/sat/sports/news_1s10horner.html Mark Linenberg o __o </_ < __/ /o_ (()) (()) /
Lance is THE MAN! The guy was given a 50% chance of surviving testicular cancer less than three years ago. Now he is in the process of literally saving cycling’s image around the world, not to mention winning the Tour, God willing. I had the pleasure of witnessing Lance’s dominating performance in the USPRO championship in Philadelphia, 1993. The man rode like he was posessed, breaking away from the pack on the Manayunk Wall on the final lap. It looked like the peloton was standing still when he took off. I saw the same look of determination on his face today in the time trial. Barring an accident, this Tour is his. I don’t know what story is more incredible, though: Lance coming back from cancer or Greg Lemond returning to win two Tours after getting shot in the chest in a hunting accident! Go Lance!!! Greg
just an update on the julich accident. espn says only bruised ribs, no broken bones. todd sandiego
I don’t know what story is more incredible, though: Lance coming back from cancer or Greg Lemond returning to win two Tours after getting shot in the chest in a hunting accident!
Chest? I was told he was shot in his buttocks! Dunno what’s worse.. JeeWee Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.990711164901.19303A- I just checked the news group again after awile off and I noticed the ARMSTRONG messages. I don’t know anything about his history, but incase you are interested he kicked some serious ass today in the TT. He won the stage by 58" putting him into overall first by 2′20"
It was amazing, the way he kicked Olano’s butt yesterday. *nodnod* If Lance survives the attacks in the Alps (that is, if the UPS team is strong enough to help him defend the jersey) there’s a good chance he’ll get the overall win. on a worse note, Julich crashed on a descnet and suffered at least a broken hip 
Not that bad, happily! Nothing broken, just severely bruised. He had to retreat from the race, however. He crashed at a putative 90 kph (56 mph), I am not envying him… Cheers Jee "bored stiff on the Tour rest day" Wee Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
So what’s the scoop on Julich? I read on ESPN that it was just bruised, but the official Le Tour web site said x-rays confirm bruised ribs and a broken hip. Inquiring mind want to know. See ya, Brad just an update on the julich accident. espn says only bruised ribs, no broken bones. todd sandiego
– * Brad Speierman * If you plant ice, * your gonna harvest wind. – Robert Hunter
So what’s the scoop on Julich? I read on ESPN that it was just bruised, but the official Le Tour web site said x-rays confirm bruised ribs and a broken hip. Inquiring mind want to know.
According to direct quotes from Julich, he has a broken left arm and three broken ribs. He slid into a curb after slipping out in a tight turn that he admits he took too fast. The first diagnosis in the local hospital declared no broken bones, but a review in a better and bigger hospital the next day revised the error. Ah, Lance. Kicking butt, taking names, and making everyone forget about the drug scandal. Bike racing like it ought to be. And doing it with those slow, stupid American domestiques, heh, heh. Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture. Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney
Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture. Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney
I haven’t been paying close attention to the Tour, but I was wondering how have the drugs been taken out of the picture? Do they have different testing rules this year? Randy
They haven’t — Lance Armstrong’s just given the media something more interesting to talk about. — MB.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture. Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney I haven’t been paying close attention to the Tour, but I was wondering how have the drugs been taken out of the picture? Do they have different testing rules this year? Randy
Ah, Lance. Kicking butt, taking names, and making everyone forget about the drug scandal.
yes and no, there have been MANY suspicious remarks levelled against Armstrong and his performances possilby being performance enhanced. see: from www.procycling.com Hanging over the race today were guarded suggestions in the French press that the American’s incredible comeback has been aided by performance enhancing drugs. In L’Equipe, the sports newspaper owned by the same corporation as the Tour itself, the headline on the story about Armstrong’s win in Sestriere was headed “At two speeds,” a common metaphor in France for the effects of EPO. Liberation, the leftist daily, said the stage showed that “sports medicine continues its great march forward.” While the main headline in France Soir was a play on the French words for stupefying and doping. No one, however, offered any director evidence or made any direct charges. Armstrong was quick to reject the suggestions. “I got here through hard work,” he said after the stage. why does the euro press always think that a strong performance must be from doping? If everyone or almost everyoned dopes- you still will see a strong performance from the superbly genetically gifted doped cyclist. Conversely, if nobody doped (hah!) there would be the same superbly genetically gifted clean rider crushing all around. Armstrong almost died from cancer and is winning the Tour. How many other riders could come back like he has- whether they’re doped to the gills or not?… Probably zero. check out the following link about lance’s doctors and their opinion of Lance and doping possiblities/inuendo http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/sports/story.html?s=v/ap/1999… Bike racing like it ought to be. And doing it with those slow, stupid American domestiques, heh, heh.
i hope this is sarcasm, but even if it is sarcasm, it’s in extremely poor taste and gives proof to the truth of your signature line. the usps team (all americans except one in this years TdeF) has been winning the team title every single day this year, and just lost it today. The american domestiques are doing an incredible job supporting and positioning lance so far. Kinda funny how the G.C. changes when the drugs are taken out of the picture.
a very naive picture. why would doping be taken out of the picture, when the really strong performance enhancers or undetectable with current drug testing methods- EPO, synthetic hemoglobin, and Human Growth Hormone- to name a few. Rick "First time I’ve followed the Tour in years" Denney
yes, it shows. Mark Linenberg o __o </_ < __/ /o_ (()) (()) /
I have a friend in Austin who used to bag groceries with him when they were teenagers. He said he could tell Lance’s heart just wasn’t in the grocery store business. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lance is THE MAN! The guy was given a 50% chance of surviving testicular cancer less than three years ago. Now he is in the process of literally saving cycling’s image around the world, not to mention winning the Tour, God willing. I had the pleasure of witnessing Lance’s dominating performance in the USPRO championship in Philadelphia, 1993. The man rode like he was posessed, breaking away from the pack on the Manayunk Wall on the final lap. It looked like the peloton was standing still when he took off. I saw the same look of determination on his face today in the time trial. Barring an accident, this Tour is his. I don’t know what story is more incredible, though: Lance coming back from cancer or Greg Lemond returning to win two Tours after getting shot in the chest in a hunting accident! Go Lance!!! Greg
I just checked the news group again after awile off and I noticed the ARMSTRONG messages. I don’t know anything about his history, but incase you are interested he kicked some serious ass today in the TT. He won the stage by 58" putting him into overall first by 2′20" While I’m at it the UPS team increased their lead today to 1′51" on a worse note, Julich crashed on a descnet and suffered at least a broken hip happy training, Ben
I’m a long time runner and want to make the transition to triathlons. I’ve done some work on my own, but due to the time and work intensive nature of triathlons, I could use a few people to talk to and train with for motivation. Does anyone know of Triathlon teams or clubs in the Los Angeles area? Thanks — Brett Peters
certainly triathlete zombies/team Z is at hand, most of them being on the west side, but several in the south bay area, too. scaq is the big masters team with about 6 pools, lots and lots of workouts every day. where will you be located? peggy
You are welcome to come and join the Inland Inferno Triathlon club. We are centered around the Covina/Diamond Bar area; and have a diverse mix of Triathletes af all ages and abilities. You can check our web page for more details. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm
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I regret to inform Tricia, but there was DRAFTING at the Iron Tour. Perhaps, these athletes( Pigg, Lessing, MacMartin, Riccitello et al . .) are not REAL triathletes!! Steve Fleck
*Excellent race report snipped* Thanks Jim! Best of luck. — Vaughn Cooper Center for Microbial Ecology, Michigan State University East Lansing MI 48824 (517) 353-3953/3955 voice/fax
[snip] why can’t the magazines be this good? QRman
[snip] why can’t the magazines be this good? QRman
because triathlon reporters would rather pretend to be journalists and offer opinions rather than just report the action. Triathlete magazine is the worst offender, without a doubt. Dalton
Hello from the France Iron Tour –
Jim— WOW! This stuff is GREAT!! Thanks for taking the time and effort to share it with us. Pretty cool getting the inside story. THANK YOU! Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Hello from the France Iron Tour – My wife told me that some results are coming in on the internet, but they don’t include the American/Canadian/Russian team. So I thought I would give you sort of a first person account of this wonderful event. Wes Hobson, Andrew McMartin, Alec Rukosoev, Mike Pigg, and I (Jimmy Riccitello) are racing for "LPG Systems." LPG (Louis Paul Guriaz – inventor) makes a massage machine that’s kind of like a non-invasive lyposuction. It has these two rollers that knead the muscle while at the same time some serious suction is occurring. It seems to work quite well. And my ass has less cellulite on it, to boot. LPG provided us with a big Mercedes truck to haul all our junk around, two mini-vans for luxury travel, and a sporty little car to drive fast in. Mr. L.P. Guriaz is a great guy and is making sure we have everything we need for the races. Stage one was an individual time trial. We left at 1:30 intervals. The race consisted of a 350 meter swim in some cold, rough water, two 6 km loops of the bike with a nice steep climb and a killer descent through the middle of town, and three 700 meter loops on the run, right through the middle of town. We all looked to do well here because all the other races are drafting legal, and short as well. 1. Simon Lessing 2. Chippy Slater 3. Olivier Marceau 4. Jimmy Riccitello 5. Ben Bright 6. Ben Sanson Laurent Jeanselme 8. JC Guinchard 9. Peter Adler 10. Markus Keller 12. Wes Hobson 13. Andrew McMartin 16. Mike Pigg 36 Alec Rukosoev (Team standing – 2nd place) Stage two was a hard sprint. Drafting legal. Two 350 meter loops of the swim, two 10k loops on the bike, and three long 2k loops on the run. The swim was the most brutal fight I’ve been in in a long time. No holds barred. The Euros definitely got the best of us. I think I was dead last. Luckily the swim was short – about 8 minutes. Our whole team missed the lead group in the swim and had to chase all day. Wes has diarrhea and isn’t up to par. Alec got pounded in the rib, and hasn’t been able to breath right. In one day we moved from 2nd to 6th in team classification. But there’s six more races to go. 1. Lessing 2. Bright 3. Slater 4. Guinchard 5. Andrew Johns 6. Laurent Jeanselme 7. Karl Blasco 8. Adler 9. Reto Hug 10. Darren Carnel 14. McMartin 21. Riccitello 34. Pigg (Wes and Alec. . .?? Not in top 43) (Team standing 6th place) GC after two stages 1. Lessing 2. Slater 3. Bright 4. Guinchard 5. Jeanselme 6. Adler 7. Johns 8. Sanson (Ben) 9. Christoph Mauch 10. Blasco 11. Riccitello 12. McMartin 28. Pigg 37. Hobson 53. Rukosoev Stage three was another sprint in a beautiful seaside town called Bandol. Pretty flat race. Two 350 meter loops in the swim, 8 loops on bike, and 2 loops running. We got the swim figured out and all made the lead group. . .along with 30 other guys. With all five of our guys in the group, we went on the offensive. I was off the front alone on the bike for 5 laps. Then Pigg was away for a while. I came of the bike first, and started the run in fourth right with Pigg. By 200 meters we were in 15th place. It is amazing how fast these bastards run. We won’t get into what a bunch of drafting sissies most of the triathlon world had become. (Maybe I’m bitter.) LPG was totally psyched about our presence at the front anyway. We’re still in sixth place in the team category. Wes still says he doesn’t feel well. Alec can’t breath because his ribs hurt. Andrew is running well so we’ve been telling him to sit in on the bike and Pigg and I will take care of him. He’s coming through and racing well. 1. Lessing 2. Slater 3. Marc Lees 4. Simon Whitfield 5. Blasco 6. Sylvain Dodet 7. McMartin 8. Bright 9. Guinchard 10. Keller 18. Pigg 19. Riccitello 40. Hobson (Alec ?? – not in top 45) (still 6th place team) GC after three stages 1. Lessing 2. Slater 3. Bright 4. Guinchard 5. Jeanselme 6. Johns 7. Blasco 8. Whitfield 9. Adler 10. McMartin 12. Riccitello 21. Pigg 38. Hobson 44. Rukosoev Stage four was a sprint. Two loop swim, six loop bike, and two loop run. The bike was fast and technical. Too technical for 55 tri-geeks who don’t know how to ride in a group. Once again, our team picked the wrong line in the swim. We all found ourselves in the 2nd group, 30 seconds down out of the water. Since Andrew is our runner and our hope for a top spot in the individual classification, he stayed in the pack of riders. Pigg never got the word 14 people were up the road so he stayed away from the front, except for a one lap breakaway mid race. My main goal is the bike jersey (best cumulative time over the 8 races), so I stayed at the front and pulled hard with Poissy and Swiss team, who all missed the front group as well. We couldn’t close the gap, but we kept it at 30 seconds. I hoped Andrew could run his way to a top 10 spot. Wes got his appetite back and went straight for the junk food. Kit Kats and potato chips. Needless to say, he was on the pot all night after the race. His strength is down, but he is trying to hang in there. Alec is still hurting, but he thinks he’s finding his legs. Pigg feels better every day, but is tiring of French cuisine. I feel fine, but I’m developing a touch of athletes foot. (Just kidding.) 1. Whitfield 2. Lessing 3. Slater 4. Johns 5. Carnell 6. Pierre Alain Frossard 7. Matt Reed 8. Dmitri Gaag 9. Jeanselme 10. Bright 12. McMartin 20. Riccitello 26. Pigg 34. Rukosoev 39. Hobson (still 6th place team) GC after four stages 1. Lessing 2. Slater 3. Bright 4. Guinchard 5. Jeanselme 6. Whitfield 7. Johns 8. McMartin 9. Lees 10. Blasco 13. Riccitello 21. Pigg 37. Hobson 42. Rukosoev Today is a rest day and four hour drive through some beautiful country. Nothing beats a country road at 160 kph (100 mph). Pigg and I take turns driving. Tomorrow is a crucial day for us . . the team time trial. The Swiss and Poissy teams are a minute up and we’re looking to close the gap a little and keep Andrew in the top 7. Stage five. Today is another race of truth – team style. 900 meter swim, 30 km bike, and 6 km run. The race takes place in the beautiful town of Vichy, famous for its water. The teams left at one minute intervals. You must finish with at least three on the run, and the three must be together. The guys had to wait for me on the swim because I swam like a rock. I felt bad because every second counts, and with a good time we could move up a lot in the overall team and individual competition. They add your teams time 3 times to get your team classification. So if you beat a team by 10 seconds, you are 30 seconds ahead in the team standing. Each members individual time is the time of the team, providing the members finish within 10% of the team’s time. If you get dropped and don’t finish within 10%, you get a three minute penalty. Anyway, Alec set the pace in the swim, and like I said, I held them up some. They wanted to keep me in so I could work on the bike. Once on the bike, we lost Alec who had problems staying close on our wheels. The four remaining guys worked well together with Pigg and me doing most of the pulling, so Andrew could help us on the run. Wes, still not at full strength, gave it his all because he knew he would jog the run. Andrew, Pigg and I set off on the run at a great pace. After about 1km, Pigg was hurting a little more than me (because his huge pulls on the bike), so I set the pace while Andrew made sure Pigg kept up by giving him a few long pushes (legal in the team event). Fortunately, we were all close enough on the run that we really rocked and rolled. We finished third, seven seconds down on Salon Leclerc, and 57 seconds down on Assystem. Not bad for a gropu of guys who had never worked together before. Not to mention my shitty swim, and the fact that we only had three guys on the run. 1. Assystem 2. Salon Leclerc 3. LPG 4. Speedo Eurosport 5. Poissy Wes has been taking some medicine and continues to improve. Alec feels better, and said he felt like king kong in the swim. Pigg continues to get stronger and more psyched as guys get tired and he gets more hungry. Andrew is running great and is not having any problems sitting in the main group. His only concern is making the lead group in the swim. His overall should only get better. I feel good and continue to eye the bike jersey. Ironically, my poor swimming is helping the pursuit because I have to close a gap on the guys and then with drafting legal, no one gets away. Ben Bright has the bike jersey with me 12 seconds back. He is always in the front group, so I’m looking to catch him tomorrow and take the jersey.
I am planning on going to Leon’s Tri this July and was wondering if anyone out there has any information on this race. Race course description? What to expect? How many participates? Water temperature (wetsuits or no wetsuits)? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Michelle
<I am planning on going to Leon’s Tri this July and was wondering if anyone out there has any information on this race. Race course description? What to expect? How many participates? Water temperature (wetsuits or no wetsuits)? Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.< Having only done Leon’s twice (‘94 and ‘95), I may not be the world’s definitive source on the race, but here’s my read: You’re in for a treat. Leon’s personal attention to detail and charismatic "appreciate!" are why the race is tops. The swim is in generally calm, warm water. Wetsuits are always at the athlete’s disgression (but don’t foolishly overheat by wearing one in warm water as I did last year). Transitions are well laid out and flawlessly efficient. I recommend sidewalk chalk to mark the pavement so finding your spot is easier. The bike course is *way* fast, as I’ve gone almost a full M.P.H. faster than ever before for a 40 K. The only "hills" are highway overpasses. One knock against the race is the "speedbumps" that border the overpass decks … they can nearly loosen your fillings if you’re not careful. Perhaps jumping ‘em or at least grabbing the aero bars tightly will suffice. The run is pancake-flat and also very quick. Aid stations are plentiful and are supplemented by lots of folks with hose or spray stations in their front yards. Enjoy the festival atmosphere (500 competitors?), the cordial company and the guaranteed good time, and go like hell for me too because I can’t make it this year! Best of luck! I TRI
i’m trying to do a favour for a friend and get a list of tris in canada (BC and Alberta) this year. i have searched the web but have had minimal success, and IT’s list is fairly incomplete. any help is appreciated.
<BC sched snipped Here you can find the Alberta schedule! Browse over to : http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~rutat/abtri.html Tom Tom Ruta, ISP "Nunc hoc in marmore Manager, Information Services non est incision" Tarragon Oil and Gas Limited FAX: (403)262-5324 WWW — http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~rutat/togl.html
i’m trying to do a favour for a friend and get a list of tris in canada (BC and Alberta) this year. i have searched the web but have had minimal success, and IT’s list is fairly incomplete. any help is appreciated. specifically any info on these: 1. Kelowna B.C. – it is called the Apple Triathlon (1.5/40/10) 2. Nelson B.C. – don’t know what it is called (1.5/40/10) thanks, john
I don’t have any info. on Alberta but here’s a partial list for B.C. – BRITISH COLUMBIA TRIATHLON (AND OTHER STUFF) SCHEDULE (Area Code for all phone numbers is 604) June 2 Panorama Classic Tri. Victoria 500m/30k/8k Bill Kane 595-6137 June 9 Triathlon for Healing Victoria 800m/22k/5k Anne Laidman 383-5545 June 16 Victoria Youth Triathlon Victoria Variable Wayne Coulson 656-6781 June 23 Qualicum Beach Triathlon Qualicum 300m/18k/5k Ann Marie Karau 752-1664 June 23 Beat the Train Tri Salmon Arm 33kBike/10k Run/ Pat Hutchins 832-7242 9kCanoe June 29 Aluminum Duathlon Kitimat 5k/30k/5k Marg Bogert 632-5329 June 30 Lillooet Gold Trail Tri Lillooet 1.5k/40k/10k Bob Sheridan 256-7527 July 1 Sasamat Open Water Swim Port Moody 2.5k? VOWSA 290-9425 July 7 Dragonman Triathlon Quesnel 1.5k/40k/10k? Rudy Schneider 992-7905 July 7 8-4ty-8 Duathlon Langley 8k/40k/8k Ken Mouldey 533-1166 July 7 Rocky Mountain Triathlon Cranbrook 1.5k/40k/10k Gary Billmark 422-3982 July 14 New Balance Half Iron Victoria 2k/90k/21k Norm Thibault 721-1627 July 14 Tyhee Lake Triathlon Smithers 1.5k/40k/10k Anita Bush 847-2593 July 18 Boston Pizza Junior Tri Penticton Variable Dave Lieskovsky 490-2426 July 20 Billy Barker Triathlon Quesnel ? Rudy Schneider 992-7905 July 21 Peach Classic Triathlon Penticton 1.5k/40k/10k Corena Simpson 490-3017 July 28 Kids Fun Triathlon Prince George ? Dick Voneugen 962-7672 July 28 North Island Triathlon Port Hardy 750m/20k/5k Warren Asuchak 949-6686 July 28 Peachland Triathlon Peachland 750m/20k/5k? Parks & Recreation 767-2133? Aug 4 Sri Chimnoy Triathlon Victoria 1.6k/34k/10k Udar Robinson 592-6211 Aug 11 Crescent Beach Triathlon White Rock 1.5k/40k/10k Les Lommel 250-0614 Aug 18 Kelowna Apple Triathlon Kelowna 1.5k/40k/10k Tibor Balogh 868-0888 Aug 25 Timex Ironman Canada Penticton 2.4mi/112mi/26.2mi David Burtch 490-8787 Sept 15 Vancouver Women’s Tri Vancouver 750m/20k/5k Fiona McLean 730-0135 Sept 22 Double Trouble Duathlon Victoria ? Norm Thibault 721-1627 Sept 29 49th to Fraser Relay / Solo Langley 8kCanoe/48kB/ Carpe Diem 874-0125 10kMTB/11kR/10kHorse Oct 13 Tuffest Twosome Burnaby 5kRun/8kMTB Barry Olsen 291-4060
i’m trying to do a favour for a friend and get a list of tris in canada (BC and Alberta) this year. i have searched the web but have had minimal success, and IT’s list is fairly incomplete. any help is appreciated. specifically any info on these: 1. Kelowna B.C. – it is called the Apple Triathlon (1.5/40/10) 2. Nelson B.C. – don’t know what it is called (1.5/40/10) thanks, john
i’m trying to do a favour for a friend and get a list of tris in canada (BC and Alberta) this year. 1. Kelowna B.C. – it is called the Apple Triathlon (1.5/40/10) 2. Nelson B.C. – don’t know what it is called (1.5/40/10)
Sorry, I can’t help with those specific races, but the Alberta Triathlon Association’s race schedule is posted at the University of Calgary Triathlon Club’s website: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~triathln/
JO=i’m trying to do a favour for a friend and get a list of tris in canada =(BC and Alberta) this year. i have searched the web but have had =minimal success, and IT’s list is fairly incomplete. any help is =appreciated. specifically any info on these: JO=1. Kelowna B.C. – it is called the Apple Triathlon (1.5/40/10) =2. Nelson B.C. – don’t know what it is called (1.5/40/10) JO=thanks, =john John, No list of triathlons in B.C. would be complete without mentioning the Sri Chinmoy triathlon in Victoria. Its Canada’s oldest triathlon. Distances are 1.63510, and I believe that this year it is on August 4th. Its a lake swim, the bike is over scenic farm country with rolling hills and the run is a trail run around the lakes. The organization is excellent! If you need an application, e-mail me and I’ll send you one. Don Devenney — * SLMR 2.1a * I’m in shape … round’s a shape isn’t it?
I guess I missed the message that you had "overdosed" on fluids–except on the bike–and had added little in the way of electolytes to your system. Anyway, glad you got it figured out…and gave the rest of us further reason to be concerned with what we are drinking as well as how much. R.S.T. to the rescue again! –Lee Crumbaugh, Tri’ed ‘n True
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) I guess I missed the message that you had "overdosed" on fluids–except on the bike–and had added little in the way of electolytes to your system. Anyway, glad you got it figured out…and gave the rest of us further reason to be concerned with what we are drinking as well as how much. R.S.T. to the rescue again! –Lee Crumbaugh, Tri’ed ‘n True
[stuff deleted] I think I diluted the electrolyte content of my blood to dangerously low levels. Noakes’ reports that after a recent Ultra (Comrades), almost half of those who required hospitalization suffered from hyponatremia. Three came close to death. Most were not elite,
The famous Julie-Moss crawl at the Ironman in 1982 was in large part due to the dizziness and disorientation of hyponatremia. Gatorade is the IM sponsor for a good reason. Official Ironman rules also have since made crawling "illegal"… a realization of how dangerous hyponatremia can be.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Yesterday I completed my first triathlon, which was Olympic distance in 100 degree weather. Although I felt "normal" during the race, I crashed afterward. Extremely nauseous, hot, disoriented, I tried to hang out in the food area, but eventually had to pack it in. For the next 6 hours I felt like I had the worst hangover/flu symptoms of my life:
….[stuff deleted] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What happened to you was definitely *not* normal. Besides the color of your urine question posed by Hummingbird, I’ll add mine: How much did you urinate and when? If you truly were hydrated, you would have been in the port-a-potty line before the race, you would have had to urinate on the swim (preferably not in your wetsuit), and so on. And the port-a-potty would have beckoned after the race. I’ll bet you were not properly hydrated–despite your belief that you were–and didn’t have to urinate after the race at all, and when you did your urine was yellow (a bad sign). I agree that a sports drink will help. But in any case in hot weather you ought to keep forcing down even more liquids, especially in the day and the morning before the race and in the transition area. You also ought to try to drink two bottles on the ride. It sounds like you drank as much as you could on the run–but by then it was too late. (I assume you also drank after the run, which is important.) We had a young high school football player in our area just lose his liver because of becoming dehydrated and overheating: His symptoms leading up to the irrevoccable liver damage sounded a lot like yours. I’m not a medical person, but I have read enough to know that you are dealing with danger when you put yourself into a state like you experienced. Drink up! Again and again! (Sorry, non alcoholic and non caffeinated only.) –Lee Crumbaugh, Tri’ed ‘n True
Well, since I was able to get at least three people interested in my plight, I will subject the net at large to more ever more personal info. I usually drink (and pee) a lot: 4-10 liters of fluid intake, 4-8 significant trips to the bathroom during the day, plus once in the middle of the night. My urine is usually a very pale yellow to clear. In addition to extra hydration the day before the race, I drank about 2 liters of water prior to the race, with a trip to the porta potty and one jettison during the swim (no wetsuit, thanks). My only electrolyte intake was 1 liter of gatorade downed in transition before the bike. 1 20oz bottle of water on the bike did leave me a little under-hydrated for about 15 minutes, but I took on another liter or so of water in transition to run, and about a dozen cups of water on the run. Because I was near the end, most of the Gatorade and UltraFuel was gone from the water stops and the finish, so I drank water, plus a few sodas in the tent. So, my total intake for the day by the time I headed home was probably 5-7 liters in 5 hours, with 4+ taken during the 3.25 hours spent racing. After the race, my urine was pale yellow, approximately the same "paleness?" as usual, with a slightly more beige hue I associate with a hard workout. I did not urinate very much for the next few hours, but as I said, I was 8 lbs over my usual weight due to extra fluid intake. By the next morning I was 7 lbs under, so I guess I peed plenty to shed 15 lbs in 18 hours. Although I think I may have been temporarily under-hydrated at the end of the bike…I think I more than made up for it afterward. I went to Noakes’ book to look up Hummingbird’s guess of hyponatremia and the description really seemed to hit home. I think I diluted the electrolyte content of my blood to dangerously low levels. Noakes’ reports that after a recent Ultra (Comrades), almost half of those who required hospitalization suffered from hyponatremia. Three came close to death. Most were not elite, but more toward the slow end (like me), so they had enough time to take on more fluid than they should have. I guess the moral is that there is more than one way to kill yourself. Noakes suggests intake of 500ml/hour for most folks, and I was well over double that. I am 6′4" and weigh 185 (another risk factor for heat-related injury), but I will try to keep my fluid intake more steady at 500-700ml per hour from now on. And the next time I am racing and the heat index climbs over 105 degrees, maybe I will just stop and find some air conditioning. Thanks for your help, everyone…I am little more educated and a little less scared now.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Legend Communications What happened to you was definitely *not* normal. Besides the color of your urine question posed by Hummingbird, I’ll add mine: How much did you urinate and when? If you truly were hydrated, you would have been in the port-a-potty line before the race, you would have had to urinate on the swim (preferably not in your wetsuit), and so on. And the port-a-potty would have beckoned after the race. I’ll bet you were not properly hydrated–despite your belief that you were–and didn’t have to urinate after the race at all, and when you did your urine was yellow (a bad sign).
I don’t think that you have to be urinating constantly to be well hydrated. I think you are a little over hydrated if you are peeing before the race during the race and right after. When I’ve done races, yeah I’ve needed to pee before hand but never to the extent that you’ve needed. However, perhaps it just hits me later or I don’t work as hard as you and therefore I don’t need the same amount of liquid. Karl
Yesterday I completed my first triathlon, which was Olympic distance in 100 degree weather. Although I felt "normal" during the race, I crashed afterward. Extremely nauseous, hot, disoriented, I tried to hang out in the food area, but eventually had to pack it in. For the next 6 hours I felt like I had the worst hangover/flu symptoms of my life:
….[stuff deleted] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What happened to you was definitely *not* normal. Besides the color of your urine question posed by Hummingbird, I’ll add mine: How much did you urinate and when? If you truly were hydrated, you would have been in the port-a-potty line before the race, you would have had to urinate on the swim (preferably not in your wetsuit), and so on. And the port-a-potty would have beckoned after the race. I’ll bet you were not properly hydrated–despite your belief that you were–and didn’t have to urinate after the race at all, and when you did your urine was yellow (a bad sign). I agree that a sports drink will help. But in any case in hot weather you ought to keep forcing down even more liquids, especially in the day and the morning before the race and in the transition area. You also ought to try to drink two bottles on the ride. It sounds like you drank as much as you could on the run–but by then it was too late. (I assume you also drank after the run, which is important.) We had a young high school football player in our area just lose his liver because of becoming dehydrated and overheating: His symptoms leading up to the irrevoccable liver damage sounded a lot like yours. I’m not a medical person, but I have read enough to know that you are dealing with danger when you put yourself into a state like you experienced. Drink up! Again and again! (Sorry, non alcoholic and non caffeinated only.) –Lee Crumbaugh, Tri’ed ‘n True
Well, since I was able to get at least three people interested in my plight, I will subject the net at large to more ever more personal info. I usually drink (and pee) a lot: 4-10 liters of fluid intake, 4-8 significant trips to the bathroom during the day, plus once in the middle of the night. My urine is usually a very pale yellow to clear. In addition to extra hydration the day before the race, I drank about 2 liters of water prior to the race, with a trip to the porta potty and one jettison during the swim (no wetsuit, thanks). My only electrolyte intake was 1 liter of gatorade downed in transition before the bike. 1 20oz bottle of water on the bike did leave me a little under-hydrated for about 15 minutes, but I took on another liter or so of water in transition to run, and about a dozen cups of water on the run. Because I was near the end, most of the Gatorade and UltraFuel was gone from the water stops and the finish, so I drank water, plus a few sodas in the tent. So, my total intake for the day by the time I headed home was probably 5-7 liters in 5 hours, with 4+ taken during the 3.25 hours spent racing. After the race, my urine was pale yellow, approximately the same "paleness?" as usual, with a slightly more beige hue I associate with a hard workout. I did not urinate very much for the next few hours, but as I said, I was 8 lbs over my usual weight due to extra fluid intake. By the next morning I was 7 lbs under, so I guess I peed plenty to shed 15 lbs in 18 hours. Although I think I may have been temporarily under-hydrated at the end of the bike…I think I more than made up for it afterward. I went to Noakes’ book to look up Hummingbird’s guess of hyponatremia and the description really seemed to hit home. I think I diluted the electrolyte content of my blood to dangerously low levels. Noakes’ reports that after a recent Ultra (Comrades), almost half of those who required hospitalization suffered from hyponatremia. Three came close to death. Most were not elite, but more toward the slow end (like me), so they had enough time to take on more fluid than they should have. I guess the moral is that there is more than one way to kill yourself. Noakes suggests intake of 500ml/hour for most folks, and I was well over double that. I am 6′4" and weigh 185 (another risk factor for heat-related injury), but I will try to keep my fluid intake more steady at 500-700ml per hour from now on. And the next time I am racing and the heat index climbs over 105 degrees, maybe I will just stop and find some air conditioning. Thanks for your help, everyone…I am little more educated and a little less scared now.
Yesterday I completed my first triathlon, which was Olympic distance in 100 degree weather. I drank a lot the day before, just before the swim and during transition, but I only had one water bottle on my bike, which I drained at about mile 18. I took on 3-4 cups at each of the 5 water stops on the 10K run, and drank a lot after the race. Although I felt "normal" during the race, I crashed afterward. Extremely nauseous, hot, disoriented, I tried to hang out in the food area, but eventually had to pack it in. For the next 6 hours I felt like I had the worst hangover/flu symptoms of my life:
<nausea, pounding headache, and a feeling that poison was coursing through my blood oblivious to the efforts of my liver and kidneys to clean it. I snapped out of it around 6 PM, but until then it was kind of scary and makes me wonder if I have the ability to push myself past the danger point without being aware of it. Or maybe I just drank too much: I weighed 10 pounds more than usual when I got home from the race yesterday, and 5 pounds less than usual this morning. A dieter’s dream: lose 15 pounds in 18 hours! Whaddya think? Can you run a safe race, take plenty of water, keep your heart rate reasonable and still be setting yourself up for hours of misery because you went too hard? Can you drink too much? Or is my experience normal and post-race recovery a dirty little secret of triathlon addiction?
What happened to you was definitely *not* normal. Besides the color of your urine question posed by Hummingbird, I’ll add mine: How much did you urinate and when? If you truly were hydrated, you would have been in the port-a-potty line before the race, you would have had to urinate on the swim (preferably not in your wetsuit), and so on. And the port-a-potty would have beckoned after the race. I’ll bet you were not properly hydrated–despite your belief that you were–and didn’t have to urinate after the race at all, and when you did your urine was yellow (a bad sign). I agree that a sports drink will help. But in any case in hot weather you ought to keep forcing down even more liquids, especially in the day and the morning before the race and in the transition area. You also ought to try to drink two bottles on the ride. It sounds like you drank as much as you could on the run–but by then it was too late. (I assume you also drank after the run, which is important.) We had a young high school football player in our area just lose his liver because of becoming dehydrated and overheating: His symptoms leading up to the irrevoccable liver damage sounded a lot like yours. I’m not a medical person, but I have read enough to know that you are dealing with danger when you put yourself into a state like you experienced. Drink up! Again and again! (Sorry, non alcoholic and non caffeinated only.) –Lee Crumbaugh, Tri’ed ‘n True
What happened to you was definitely *not* normal. Besides the color of your urine question posed by Hummingbird, I’ll add mine: How much did you urinate and when? If you truly were hydrated, you would have been in the port-a-potty line before the race, you would have had to urinate on the swim (preferably not in your wetsuit), and so on. And the port-a-potty would have beckoned after the race. I’ll bet you were not properly hydrated–despite your belief that you were–and didn’t have to urinate after the race at all, and when you did your urine was yellow (a bad sign).
I don’t think that you have to be urinating constantly to be well hydrated. I think you are a little over hydrated if you are peeing before the race during the race and right after. When I’ve done races, yeah I’ve needed to pee before hand but never to the extent that you’ve needed. However, perhaps it just hits me later or I don’t work as hard as you and therefore I don’t need the same amount of liquid. Karl
James, my girlfriend participated at the Euroman in Zuerich two weeks ago. The weather was also hot (probably 90-95), and she pushed hard on the Ironman distance. After the race she didn’t feel well (contrary to her experiences in previous races). 45 minutes after the race she collapsed and it took her several hours in hospital to regain consciousness. She was diagnosed with dehydration and (extreme) hyponatriaemia. The latter means she had lost too much electrolyts (especially sodium) by sweating, without refilling them. She must have drunk about 20 quarts of fluids while racing, of which about 6 quarts of isotonic stuff. But on the run she only took water and coke, which don’t provide enough electrolyts. It might even be that she had drunken too much, since the water then thins out even more of the electrolyts. Well, she’s recovered completely by now and learned her lesson. It might very well be, that you suffered the same symptoms after your race, but were lucky enough not to collapse and finally after hours regulated your electrolyts back to normal. Rolf PS: the conditions at the Euroman made only 60 percent of the participants finish the race, and the happy end is, that my girlfriend qualified for Hawaii with her performance. —
Hi James- Souds to me like the heat got to you and although you took in fluids, the headache afterwards tells me you were a bit dehydrated ( or alot dehydrated!) Excuse the personal question-but was the color of your urine extremely yellow post-race? Had you been training in similar conditions? Next time ( and there will be a next time because you will forget how badly you felt and you are already planning your next race-strategy right now aren’t you??) after the race, no matter how bad drink/food looks to you try to get some elctrolytes into your system along with some carbos and I guarantee you’ll recover much faster. Maybe train with some sports drink also as the extremem conditions caused you to need something more than water-and hey Congatulations!!! Seeyou at the races! Cheryl
Yesterday I completed my first triathlon, which was Olympic distance in 100 degree weather. My time of 3:16 was much better than I had anticipated, but I did not really feel I was pushing terribly hard during the race. I drank a lot the day before, just before the swim and during transition, but I only had one water bottle on my bike, which I drained at about mile 18. I took on 3-4 cups at each of the 5 water stops on the 10K run, and drank a lot after the race. Although I felt "normal" during the race, I crashed afterward. Extremely nauseous, hot, disoriented, I tried to hang out in the food area, but eventually had to pack it in. For the next 6 hours I felt like I had the worst hangover/flu symptoms of my life: nausea, pounding headache, and a feeling that poison was coursing through my blood oblivious to the efforts of my liver and kidneys to clean it. I snapped out of it around 6 PM, but until then it was kind of scary and makes me wonder if I have the ability to push myself past the danger point without being aware of it. Or maybe I just drank too much: I weighed 10 pounds more than usual when I got home from the race yesterday, and 5 pounds less than usual this morning. A dieter’s dream: lose 15 pounds in 18 hours! Whaddya think? Can you run a safe race, take plenty of water, keep your heart rate reasonable and still be setting yourself up for hours of misery because you went too hard? Can you drink too much? Or is my experience normal and post-race recovery a dirty little secret of triathlon addiction?
I don’t do marathons, but a few years ago a type I was in the Iron Man triathlon in Hawaii. I beleive that he finished, but don’t really remember. There is a diabetic sports association which had a meeting fairly recently. : Hi. First post. I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- : seems like a good place. Well to the point… : I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and : marathoning. I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the : fun begins.
There is an article in the IDAA newsletter about a marathoner Type I. He would stash 20 ounce Cokes every 4-5 miles for his twenty mile traing runs which he did on Sundays. Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 169 NNTP-Posting-Host: calanus.ocgy.ubc.ca The International Diabetic Athletes Assoc. (IDAA) will be holding its 1995 North American Meeting at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada on August 10-13. IDAA is a non-profit service organization. Contrary to the title, it is not just for athletes, members are of all ages and all levels of physical fitness. The Association includes both "Type I" and "Type II" individuals as well as medical and health care professionals who are interested in the relationship between exercise and diabetes. The philosophy of the IDAA is that exercise can be of benefit to any person with diabetes. The objectives of the program – for the person with diabetes – include "how to plan for exercise and provide energy (fuel) for exercising" and "diet strategies for exercise and training". There will also be a series of workshops on different types of exercises, given by experts who have diabetes. The objectives of the program – for the physician and health-care professional – include "benefits and problems of exercise for the person with diabetes", "benefits and problems of competitive sports for young persons with IDDM" and "advising the person with diabetes about exercise and competition". a registration package, contact the IDAA95 Conference Secretariat at the UBC Conference Centre – 5961 Student Union Blvd., Vancouver, B.C., Canada V6T 2C9. Phone: 604-822-1050; FAX: 604-822-1069.
I don’t do marathons, but a few years ago a type I was in the Iron Man triathlon in Hawaii. I beleive that he finished, but don’t really remember. There is a diabetic sports association which had a meeting fairly recently.
: Hi. First post. I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- : seems like a good place. Well to the point… : I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and : marathoning. I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the : fun begins. <snip
was diagnosed a year ago February and so far, no complications. The farthest I’ve run post-diag is ten miles. When I’m careful, blood sugars are normal. Any information re: this or any distance running and type 1 information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. David PS- Anybody else out there running with type 1?
There are a number of us. There is a tremendous variability in the ways runners deal with their insulin and training. I have talked to other runners here with similar objective situations who do things that would put me in the hospital, and visa versa. All of the marathoners I have talked to are pumpers. It is one of the situations where the instant adjustability of basal rates is nice. In my case, I think a half marathon is probably my limit on multiple injections. Be prepared for decreases in your total daily insulin requirement as you train up. Two months of 30 miles/week will cut mine in about half. Learn as much as you can about the normal reaction of the pancreas and the counterregulatory hormones to exercise. Learn as much as you can about the diabetic’s reaction to exercise. Only by understanding what is going on can you be effective in designing changes in your insulin routine to take care of strenuous exercise of several hours duration. Charles Coughran
Hi. First post. I’ve been reading here on and and off for months- seems like a good place. Well to the point… I was wondering if anyone has experience with type 1 diabetes and marathoning. I just got my acceptance to the ‘95 NYC Marathon and so, the fun begins. I have one marathon under my belt, but that was ‘93 and pre-diagnosis. I was diagnosed a year ago February and so far, no complications. The farthest I’ve run post-diag is ten miles. When I’m careful, blood sugars are normal. Any information re: this or any distance running and type 1 information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. David PS- Anybody else out there running with type 1?