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Curt, I am sorry, I was just joking around. Making fun of the speedo, not the person in it. My BF actually wears one under his wetsuit for diving & I make fun of him, too. Not becuase I think HE is funny looking, just because I think that a speedo is one of the goofiest looking things that a man can put on his body. Robyn

Ok I am just going to cut and paste my response to nimue. I would be saying the same thing on both counts and I am too lazy to retype something new. I guess the group has got me a little messed up lately with all the bashing on Atkins and such. I just haven’t been in the joking mood. On top of that, I find it hard to lose one pound now. My body just doesn’t want to do it. It is humbling right now. I am stuck at 186 and doing so much work. Sorry if I went off the deep end. My mood and the way so many Americans view the human body got the best of me. I didn’t mean to attack so hard. Take care and keep up the good work, Curt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curt Oh, lord, calm down, Curt! I used to be on my swim team in high school. I have seen plenty of guys in Speedos in my time. I admit, I have NEVER found them attractive, but I agree they are necessary if you are going to be swimming competitively. What happened to your sense of humor, Curt? I was joking around AND I had no idea you wanted to do a triathalon. You are way too serious — lighten up. I have no intentions of forcing you to wear swim trunks to make me happy — trust me on that. — nimue

OK, I am calm. I guess the group has got me a little messed up lately with all the bashing on Atkins and such. I just haven’t been in the joking mood. On top of that, I find it hard to lose one pound now. My body just doesn’t want to do it. It is humbling right now. I am stuck at 186 and doing so much work. Sorry if I went off the deep end. My mood and the way so many Americans view the human body got the best of me. I didn’t mean to attack so hard. Take care and keep up the good work, Curt

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:: I know nothing about Lyle’s UD2 other than it is a diet. Did a :: search and didn’t come up with much. I may try some HIIT. I do :: superset several exercises and keep my heart rate up, when I feel :: good. Sometimes I am pretty wiped out after the run, but it is :: getting a little easier. One nice thing about HIIT is it keeps the :: work out moving. You’ll have to spring for the e-book or buy the hardcopy. I think you can get it at amazon. Also, you are including deadlifts and squats in your weight training routine, right? :: :: Enjoy, :: Curt :: ::: You’re 6′2" and 186….why don’t you try Lyle’s UD2? It’s designed ::: to maximize fat loss….it is very strict mind you, so you’ll have ::: to be anal about everything…. ::: ::: You might also try building some HIIT into your exercise routine. :::

::: ::::: Thanks for any help, ::::: Curt ::::: — ::::: Started low carb May ‘03 ::::: 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" ::::: Highest weight 250

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curt, I think most of your goals sound pretty realistic, *but* I am not so sure about the Speedo thing? At any given moment there are 7 men on this planet that look right in a Speedo — are you one of the seven or are you going to be one of those guys that us girls are laughing at? Robyn Well if you laugh at people for what they are wearing, I probably won’t care. I don’t hang around people that do that. I could care less if someone wears a Speedo or whatever. I find it silly that people care about such things. I think human bodies are generally works of art. Not something to point and laugh at to make someone feel bad. I personally wouldn’t wear a Speedo unless I am in very good shape. I am going to do some triathlons this year. I will probably wear spandex due to me not being in top shape as far as fat goes, but that is just me. I don’t care what other people wear. Respectfully, Curt

Curt, I am sorry, I was just joking around. Making fun of the speedo, not the person in it. My BF actually wears one under his wetsuit for diving & I make fun of him, too. Not becuase I think HE is funny looking, just because I think that a speedo is one of the goofiest looking things that a man can put on his body. Robyn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo My angel, no one looks good in a Speedo. No one. You can have the chiseled, gorgeous body of a Calvin Klein underwear model and you still will never look good in a Speedo. That is just your opinion. I think they look cool if you have the right body. I am competing in some triathlons this year, so it is a Speedo or Spandex. I am not going to wear some swim suit just to make you happy. I am going to wear something with low drag to do my best in a race and not worry about what closed minded people are thinking or people that are embarrassed of a human body. I guess I just don’t look at people the way many Americans do. It just is much too silly for me. Curt

Oh, lord, calm down, Curt! I used to be on my swim team in high school. I have seen plenty of guys in Speedos in my time. I admit, I have NEVER found them attractive, but I agree they are necessary if you are going to be swimming competitively. What happened to your sense of humor, Curt? I was joking around AND I had no idea you wanted to do a triathalon. You are way too serious — lighten up. I have no intentions of forcing you to wear swim trunks to make me happy — trust me on that. — nimue "There was a time when I was young and gay — but straight." Max Bialystock

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snip I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo My angel, no one looks good in a Speedo. No one. You can have the chiseled, gorgeous body of a Calvin Klein underwear model and you still will never look good in a Speedo.

That is just your opinion. I think they look cool if you have the right body. I am competing in some triathlons this year, so it is a Speedo or Spandex. I am not going to wear some swim suit just to make you happy. I am going to wear something with low drag to do my best in a race and not worry about what closed minded people are thinking or people that are embarrassed of a human body. I guess I just don’t look at people the way many Americans do. It just is much too silly for me. Curt

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I know nothing about Lyle’s UD2 other than it is a diet. Did a search and didn’t come up with much. I may try some HIIT. I do superset several exercises and keep my heart rate up, when I feel good. Sometimes I am pretty wiped out after the run, but it is getting a little easier. One nice thing about HIIT is it keeps the work out moving. Enjoy, Curt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re 6′2" and 186….why don’t you try Lyle’s UD2? It’s designed to maximize fat loss….it is very strict mind you, so you’ll have to be anal about everything…. You might also try building some HIIT into your exercise routine. :: Thanks for any help, :: Curt :: — :: Started low carb May ‘03 :: 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" :: Highest weight 250

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Curt, I think most of your goals sound pretty realistic, *but* I am not so sure about the Speedo thing? At any given moment there are 7 men on this planet that look right in a Speedo — are you one of the seven or are you going to be one of those guys that us girls are laughing at? Robyn

Well if you laugh at people for what they are wearing, I probably won’t care. I don’t hang around people that do that. I could care less if someone wears a Speedo or whatever. I find it silly that people care about such things. I think human bodies are generally works of art. Not something to point and laugh at to make someone feel bad. I personally wouldn’t wear a Speedo unless I am in very good shape. I am going to do some triathlons this year. I will probably wear spandex due to me not being in top shape as far as fat goes, but that is just me. I don’t care what other people wear. Respectfully, Curt

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Excuses won’t get you there. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess, I am getting a little frustrated or I just want to get there, but starting to doubt. Looking for an opinion on if it is possible. I started my journey 5 years ago really. I was 250 pounds and wanted to get down to 190. I got all the way to 197 and then started to gain some after I got of my diet which was two protein days and one carbo day and repeat. I gained up to about 210 pounds and stayed there for years, which was a lot better than the 250. Now I have my sights on a new me again. I am doing more of a low carb all out approach and now and again have a cheat day, but that may be twice a month now. I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, but I am not sure if I can really weigh that without losing muscle. I am running 3 miles (7mph) and swimming 1/2 mile (non stop, freestyle) and lifting 4 days a week!! I really can’t imagine I can do even more to get there. I am training for a triathlon and want to do it. I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. If no one knows this answer, is there a certain type of doctor that I could go to, to help me have a better understanding? I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo or at least a swim suit. I’m working so hard and am starting to have doubts. Oh yeah, I am 38 if it matters. A doctor suggestion would be good as well as opinions here. I don’t know what kind of doctor deals with such things, to understand how far I can go without surgery. I don’t want lypo, but if that is the only way, so be it. Thanks for any help, Curt — Started low carb May ‘03 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" Highest weight 250

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snip I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo

My angel, no one looks good in a Speedo. No one. You can have the chiseled, gorgeous body of a Calvin Klein underwear model and you still will never look good in a Speedo. or at least a swim suit.

A nice pair of swimming shorts can always be appealing — but Speedos? Out of the question for everyone. Good luck! Curt

– nimue "There was a time when I was young and gay — but straight." Max Bialystock

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Curt, I think most of your goals sound pretty realistic, *but* I am not so sure about the Speedo thing? At any given moment there are 7 men on this planet that look right in a Speedo — are you one of the seven or are you going to be one of those guys that us girls are laughing at?

7? What 7? Speedos — ick! Ick! I don’t care how hot you are — ICK! Robyn

– nimue "There was a time when I was young and gay — but straight." Max Bialystock

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Curt, I think most of your goals sound pretty realistic, *but* I am not so sure about the Speedo thing? At any given moment there are 7 men on this planet that look right in a Speedo — are you one of the seven or are you going to be one of those guys that us girls are laughing at? Robyn

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You’re 6′2" and 186….why don’t you try Lyle’s UD2? It’s designed to maximize fat loss….it is very strict mind you, so you’ll have to be anal about everything…. You might also try building some HIIT into your exercise routine.

:: Thanks for any help, :: Curt :: — :: Started low carb May ‘03 :: 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" :: Highest weight 250

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It does take a very long time. I’m exercising four days a week (three lifting hard about one hour plus 1/2 hour cardio and one biking in the cold weather for about 1.5 hours), and I lose only a little in terms of weight per week. I still have 30-40 pounds to go (down 50 though). Heck, last year I was riding my bike 100+ miles a week and only lost about 35 pounds during the year. Wow, that sounds great. It is good to have some company. I guess we will all do it together! Thanks for the encouragement. Curt

I find that as I’ve aged it takes longer to lose weight. When I was 20, I ballooned up to about 220 (although I’m 210 now!) and I was able to take it off in no time. But now there’s time commitments, lack of testosterone, etc.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, … I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Curt, it may just take time. Stomach fat is the hardest to lose, I think. I remember when my husband started his diet that he lost weight right away, and it tapered off over the course of a year, even though his shape didn’t change too dramatically. (IE, he still had tummy fat). But it’s been 15 months now and we were just talking last night about how much more defined his chest and stomach are now than they were a year ago, even though his weight hasn’t changed much. Keep at it, you’ve done the hardest part, which was making the change in the first place and sticking with it long enough to lose the weight. Staying Low-Carb WILL make a difference. Just keep at it. Dawn

Thanks Dawn. I am trying to be patent. I hope to put a dent in this in the next two months. I need to get some pictures taken of before and after. I think that will help people see my situation better than just stating it. I guess I don’t mind showing my gut to the world. lol Thanks again Dawn. Curt

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It does take a very long time. I’m exercising four days a week (three lifting hard about one hour plus 1/2 hour cardio and one biking in the cold weather for about 1.5 hours), and I lose only a little in terms of weight per week. I still have 30-40 pounds to go (down 50 though). Heck, last year I was riding my bike 100+ miles a week and only lost about 35 pounds during the year.

Wow, that sounds great. It is good to have some company. I guess we will all do it together! Thanks for the encouragement. Curt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, … I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Curt, it may just take time. Stomach fat is the hardest to lose, I think. I remember when my husband started his diet that he lost weight right away, and it tapered off over the course of a year, even though his shape didn’t change too dramatically. (IE, he still had tummy fat). But it’s been 15 months now and we were just talking last night about how much more defined his chest and stomach are now than they were a year ago, even though his weight hasn’t changed much. Keep at it, you’ve done the hardest part, which was making the change in the first place and sticking with it long enough to lose the weight. Staying Low-Carb WILL make a difference. Just keep at it. Dawn

It does take a very long time. I’m exercising four days a week (three lifting hard about one hour plus 1/2 hour cardio and one biking in the cold weather for about 1.5 hours), and I lose only a little in terms of weight per week. I still have 30-40 pounds to go (down 50 though). Heck, last year I was riding my bike 100+ miles a week and only lost about 35 pounds during the year.

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I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, … I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice.

Curt, it may just take time. Stomach fat is the hardest to lose, I think. I remember when my husband started his diet that he lost weight right away, and it tapered off over the course of a year, even though his shape didn’t change too dramatically. (IE, he still had tummy fat). But it’s been 15 months now and we were just talking last night about how much more defined his chest and stomach are now than they were a year ago, even though his weight hasn’t changed much. Keep at it, you’ve done the hardest part, which was making the change in the first place and sticking with it long enough to lose the weight. Staying Low-Carb WILL make a difference. Just keep at it. Dawn

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Yeah, it gets hard to lose down at these levels it seems. You certainly can’t mess up and cheat. I just have to be really strict and go for it. Maybe it will take two months to lose 3 pounds of fat? I just don’t know. Maybe we will both be in great shape for this summer. I am shooting for it Curt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, 10%. That is a bit much for me I think. I would like to have between 12 and 15%. 10% is too thin for my body type to be healthy I think. Fair enough. For myself, I decided to keep going for a while and reconsider my goals as I go. I don’t think I am expecting it to come easy. I am working very hard I think. I mean, running 3, swimming 1/2 and weight training 4 days a week to boot. You are working on it alright. I walk 25 mils/week and strength train, and will resume running as soon as snow/ice goes away. I am trying to add to the swim and get it up to a mile. One mile of swimming is equal to 4 miles of running I have been told. definitely a great upper body exercise. I may have to add another day of exercise and go to 5. I am going to do 5 days this week. I play competitive volleyball two or three days a week and I don’t even count that. It isn’t easy to say the least, but I want this so bad. I never was happy with how my body has been totally. I would like to be happy when I take my shirt off. I am in a similar situation. Thanks for the thoughts. I hope you are right and I can do it. You can do it, but you can’t do it too quickly… That’s my take. I am working on it too. I feel that since I have all the time in the world now (being at normal weight), I can take my time to do it right. i

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Wow, 10%. That is a bit much for me I think. I would like to have between 12 and 15%. 10% is too thin for my body type to be healthy I think. I don’t think I am expecting it to come easy. I am working very hard I think. I mean, running 3, swimming 1/2 and weight training 4 days a week to boot. I am trying to add to the swim and get it up to a mile. One mile of swimming is equal to 4 miles of running I have been told. I may have to add another day of exercise and go to 5. I am going to do 5 days this week. I play competitive volleyball two or three days a week and I don’t even count that. It isn’t easy to say the least, but I want this so bad. I never was happy with how my body has been totally. I would like to be happy when I take my shirt off. Thanks for the thoughts. I hope you are right and I can do it. Curt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do not think that it is unrealistic to expect to be able to have a flat stomach with some muscle definition (bodyfat percentage of 10). What is unrealistic though, is to expect that it will come quickly, or that it will come easily. It is hard work, dieting, etc. I am working on the same thing, I am 173 lbs as of today, 5′11", 17-20% bodyfat, BMI 24, and I am working on better muscle definition. My goal for this year is to lose 10-15 lbs of fat and gain 5lbs of muscle. i

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Man I hope you are right Bear. I am not worried about the skin. It seems to be fine. It is the fat behind the skin in that spare tire area. I just hope I can get it off. I guess I need some support, or someone to tell me what you did….that it can be done. Thanks, Curt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Curt, I had a similar experience and lost 143 then regained about 80. The skin thing is a tough one. You can get down to 10% or so body fat and at your age you should be able to do that (I’m now 51 but was 45 then). But the loose skin is often only corrected by surgery. I spoke with a plastic surgeon about it. A reputible surgeon won’t do anything until you’re down to ideal weight and body fat. Oh, no you are not being unrealistic. You can do it if you want. – Bear Grrrrrrrr : o) 297/277/210 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html I guess, I am getting a little frustrated or I just want to get there, but starting to doubt. Looking for an opinion on if it is possible. I started my journey 5 years ago really. I was 250 pounds and wanted to get down to 190. I got all the way to 197 and then started to gain some after I got of my diet which was two protein days and one carbo day and repeat. I gained up to about 210 pounds and stayed there for years, which was a lot better than the 250. Now I have my sights on a new me again. I am doing more of a low carb all out approach and now and again have a cheat day, but that may be twice a month now. I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, but I am not sure if I can really weigh that without losing muscle. I am running 3 miles (7mph) and swimming 1/2 mile (non stop, freestyle) and lifting 4 days a week!! I really can’t imagine I can do even more to get there. I am training for a triathlon and want to do it. I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. If no one knows this answer, is there a certain type of doctor that I could go to, to help me have a better understanding? I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo or at least a swim suit. I’m working so hard and am starting to have doubts. Oh yeah, I am 38 if it matters. A doctor suggestion would be good as well as opinions here. I don’t know what kind of doctor deals with such things, to understand how far I can go without surgery. I don’t want lypo, but if that is the only way, so be it. Thanks for any help, Curt — Started low carb May ‘03 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" Highest weight 250

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the light fantastic, then quipped: Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. Curt This won’t help you achieve your desired result, Curt, but I thought you should know that the number of fat cells isn’t applicable. To my knowledge, the number of fat cells doesn’t diminish through weight loss; it’s the size of said cells becoming smaller. They have a "memory" which causes some people to quickly regain the weight and girth when they discontinue their pattern of sensible eating. I could be wrong, but this is what I’ve always heard/read. I’m sorry I can’t offer any help. Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

Maybe I didn’t make that part very clear. I know my fat cells had to multiply when I gained that much weight 250. I now have more than I did when I was 18. There are two schools of research here when it comes to fat cells. There are studies (most) that say fat cells will not die, so you have a certain number and that is that unless you gain too much weight then they can multiply. The other school is, that fat cells can die if starved long enough. I hope the second school is right. If the first school is right, I may have to have surgery to get rid of this little tire I have. My skin seems quite good, it is just that fat behind the skin. Thanks for the reply. Curt

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the light fantastic, then quipped: Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. Curt

This won’t help you achieve your desired result, Curt, but I thought you should know that the number of fat cells isn’t applicable. To my knowledge, the number of fat cells doesn’t diminish through weight loss; it’s the size of said cells becoming smaller. They have a "memory" which causes some people to quickly regain the weight and girth when they discontinue their pattern of sensible eating. I could be wrong, but this is what I’ve always heard/read. I’m sorry I can’t offer any help. Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I guess, I am getting a little frustrated or I just want to get there, but starting to doubt. Looking for an opinion on if it is possible. I started my journey 5 years ago really. I was 250 pounds and wanted to get down to 190. I got all the way to 197 and then started to gain some after I got of my diet which was two protein days and one carbo day and repeat. I gained up to about 210 pounds and stayed there for years, which was a lot better than the 250. Now I have my sights on a new me again. I am doing more of a low carb all out approach and now and again have a cheat day, but that may be twice a month now. I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, but I am not sure if I can really weigh that without losing muscle. I am running 3 miles (7mph) and swimming 1/2 mile (non stop, freestyle) and lifting 4 days a week!! I really can’t imagine I can do even more to get there. I am training for a triathlon and want to do it. I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. If no one knows this answer, is there a certain type of doctor that I could go to, to help me have a better understanding? I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo or at least a swim suit. I’m working so hard and am starting to have doubts. Oh yeah, I am 38 if it matters. A doctor suggestion would be good as well as opinions here. I don’t know what kind of doctor deals with such things, to understand how far I can go without surgery. I don’t want lypo, but if that is the only way, so be it. Thanks for any help, Curt — Started low carb May ‘03 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" Highest weight 250

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Hey Curt, I had a similar experience and lost 143 then regained about 80. The skin thing is a tough one. You can get down to 10% or so body fat and at your age you should be able to do that (I’m now 51 but was 45 then). But the loose skin is often only corrected by surgery. I spoke with a plastic surgeon about it. A reputible surgeon won’t do anything until you’re down to ideal weight and body fat. Oh, no you are not being unrealistic. You can do it if you want. – Bear Grrrrrrrr : o) 297/277/210 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess, I am getting a little frustrated or I just want to get there, but starting to doubt. Looking for an opinion on if it is possible. I started my journey 5 years ago really. I was 250 pounds and wanted to get down to 190. I got all the way to 197 and then started to gain some after I got of my diet which was two protein days and one carbo day and repeat. I gained up to about 210 pounds and stayed there for years, which was a lot better than the 250. Now I have my sights on a new me again. I am doing more of a low carb all out approach and now and again have a cheat day, but that may be twice a month now. I am down to 186, but have a fat stomach and ….well kind of a spare tire and some fat in my chest. I think I will need to weigh 180ish I guess, but I am not sure if I can really weigh that without losing muscle. I am running 3 miles (7mph) and swimming 1/2 mile (non stop, freestyle) and lifting 4 days a week!! I really can’t imagine I can do even more to get there. I am training for a triathlon and want to do it. I realize a washboard stomach is unlikely I guess, but a flat stomach would be nice. Being that I was 250 pounds at one time, does this mean I just can’t have what I want due to too many fat cells. If no one knows this answer, is there a certain type of doctor that I could go to, to help me have a better understanding? I will be honest, I am not ruling out surgery! I really want to look good in a Speedo or at least a swim suit. I’m working so hard and am starting to have doubts. Oh yeah, I am 38 if it matters. A doctor suggestion would be good as well as opinions here. I don’t know what kind of doctor deals with such things, to understand how far I can go without surgery. I don’t want lypo, but if that is the only way, so be it. Thanks for any help, Curt — Started low carb May ‘03 211/186/185 (probably needs to be a little lower) . . 6′2" Highest weight 250

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Well I changed my mind. I will try and recreate what I have to say on the subject. First and foremost I have the upmost respect for anyone that takes on the challenge of training and doing an Ironman race. I completed my first Ironman this year up in Lake Placid. It took a ton of training and motivation to get me there. Completing that race was an accomplishment I will always be proud of. I am currently still called a Clydesdale by tri race standards. Next year my goal is not to fit that qualification. I know where Judy had to come from because I have been there. Judy should be commended BUT the gift of an IMH slot and celebraty status awarderd falls on deaf ears here. I am all for the human intrest stories. I think everyone could be a human intrest story. While I was training for IMUSA I was working full time, going to school at night to get my MBA, gettting married and buying a house BUT I didn’t get cameras following me and freinds getting me into IMH. I am going to have to get to Hawaii by training really hard and racing harder or luck of the lottery just like 99.9% of us. I think that is where Sam is coming from. He is in the same boat as me. He has a demanding career and two children to be a father to but noone will be knocking on his door to do a story about it. He will be training for IMFL when he can after work and family obligations. Now everyone knows where Troy Blackman stands. Troy

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I believe the correct form would be "wordsmithery", if one accepts that "wordsmith" is an actual word. Wayne "I work for a university; of course I have the right to be pedantic" Saville – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, folks shouldn’t be pounded for infractions of Strunk & White, but neither should the value of good wordsmithing be derided and dismissed. It *is* valuable, and it is worth cultivating. — Tri-Baby

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story. While I was training for IMUSA I was working full time, going to school at night to get my MBA, gettting married and buying a house BUT I

Yipe! I gotta say, Troy, you are not an Ironman—you are SUPERMAN! Anyone who would take on Ironman training in the midst of all that is definitely superhuman. Outstanding!! I am in awe. :o TriBaby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Yes, Tricia, I really do believe that……

I’m sorry, Sam, if this is true. you have obviously not followed the ENTIRE thread that Mr. Schwing and others have contributed to

Which thread are you talking about? I have followed the whole "flabbergasted" thread. I’m not sure what you’re wishing to point out here. others might have about me or any other subject (without feeling the desire to "kill" or "make them gone")

Do you think Schwing would have stated such a desire if he agreed that all you were doing was expressing an opinion? He obviously felt that you were being needlessly offensive. However, I will grant you that one man’s definition of "offensive" may be another man’s definition of "opinionated" or perhaps "flippant". Semantics. You have misunderstood my post, I am in no way trying to whine about anything.

I’m sorry if I have misunderstood you. I thought you were expressing a feeling that you were not allowed to express an opinion in this forum. I, for one, would hate for that to actually be the case. I would hope that everyone felt comfortable expressing an opinion on RST. But I still say that there are standards of diplomacy to be considered in doing so. The problem is that you do not agree with my "diplomatic ways" of posting

Agreed. In this case, I felt your "diplomatic ways" were lacking. …….sorry ’bout that….Tri-Baby. You are a big girl…….right?

Yup. Big. That’s me. In more ways than one. I am sure that you will get over it.

Nothing to "get over". To tell you the truth, the tone I was trying to get across in my previous post to you was supposed to be one of, "Oh, come on, Sam." It wasn’t supposed to be a finger-wave, really. You’ve been around RST for quite a while and have posted a lot of good stuff. I don’t recall that you’re incined to be "flame-y" in any way. That’s why I was just trying to be straightforward and sort of call you on what I perceived as ingenuous bullshit on your part. Sam "not trying to "wash" anything"

Me neither. — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Nothing to "get over". To tell you the truth, the tone I was trying to get across in my previous post to you was supposed to be one of, "Oh, come on, Sam." It wasn’t supposed to be a finger-wave, really. You’ve been around RST for quite a while and have posted a lot of good stuff. I don’t recall that you’re incined to be "flame-y" in any way. That’s why I was just trying to be straightforward and sort of call you on what I perceived as ingenuous bullshit on your part.

Whoops, that should have been *DISingenuous* bullshit. <:) TriBaby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Great!…..we agree to disagree….. You are correct, I have never posted in a flaming manor…never, until this thread came along. I simply posted an opinion and got flamed….no big deal……I disagree with others all the time and as demonstrated some disagree with me……It is a beautiful thing! don’t you agree? no worries….. Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Tricia, I really do believe that…… I’m sorry, Sam, if this is true. you have obviously not followed the ENTIRE thread that Mr. Schwing and others have contributed to Which thread are you talking about? I have followed the whole "flabbergasted" thread. I’m not sure what you’re wishing to point out here. others might have about me or any other subject (without feeling the desire to "kill" or "make them gone") Do you think Schwing would have stated such a desire if he agreed that all you were doing was expressing an opinion? He obviously felt that you were being needlessly offensive. However, I will grant you that one man’s definition of "offensive" may be another man’s definition of "opinionated" or perhaps "flippant". Semantics. You have misunderstood my post, I am in no way trying to whine about anything. I’m sorry if I have misunderstood you. I thought you were expressing a feeling that you were not allowed to express an opinion in this forum. I, for one, would hate for that to actually be the case. I would hope that everyone felt comfortable expressing an opinion on RST. But I still say that there are standards of diplomacy to be considered in doing so. The problem is that you do not agree with my "diplomatic ways" of posting Agreed. In this case, I felt your "diplomatic ways" were lacking. …….sorry ’bout that….Tri-Baby. You are a big girl…….right? Yup. Big. That’s me. In more ways than one. I am sure that you will get over it. Nothing to "get over". To tell you the truth, the tone I was trying to get across in my previous post to you was supposed to be one of, "Oh, come on, Sam." It wasn’t supposed to be a finger-wave, really. You’ve been around RST for quite a while and have posted a lot of good stuff. I don’t recall that you’re incined to be "flame-y" in any way. That’s why I was just trying to be straightforward and sort of call you on what I perceived as ingenuous bullshit on your part. Sam "not trying to "wash" anything" Me neither. — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Wow, I replied through Deja.com because I was on the road. Hopefully the post will make it. I am leaving it at that because if it doesn’t show up nothing lost. Troy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Agin I see being RUDE , is ok if you can spell better or at least are so anal that it’s important. My opinion is correct becouse I spell sooooo good. Well kiss my _______ One of the facts of life is that the opinions and positions that are most effectively expressed prevail. This includes proper use of the language. Since the effective use of language utilizes many of the same talents and component skills as the formulation of sound opinions, this is not necessarily a bad thing. In today’s world of spell- and grammar-checkers, it’s not that difficult. We all make mistakes, as was obviously the case with "alot," (probably a case of fat fingers) and it’s petty to jump on them, but you seem to be advocating abandoning any attempt at proper use of the language, in parading gross errors of usage ("spell so good") and implied vularities ("kiss my ___.")

Eloquently stated, Brian! Thank you for succinctly expressing an idea that I have never been able to articulate properly. It always seems to come off as nothing more than grammatical snobbery, and that is not the intention. You’ve succeeded in explaining that there IS objective value to writing with care and attention to grammatical detail. In the wild, wild west of the Internet, that value frequently seems to get lost in the shuffle. No, folks shouldn’t be pounded for infractions of Strunk & White, but neither should the value of good wordsmithing be derided and dismissed. It *is* valuable, and it is worth cultivating. — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Whatever…….so in this newsgroup you cannot have an opinion, or at least you are not supposed to express it.

Oh, yeah, right, Sam, like you really believe that. You post blatant flame bait and then come back and ingenuously claim that it’s "just" an opinion. There are diplomatic ways of expressing an opinion. Your "fat chicks" post was clearly meant to be derogatory and offensive. You’re a big boy and you know the difference between an objectively stated opinion and an offensive slur. Don’t come back and whine that your right to express an opinion is being compromised. It ain’t gonna wash. — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Yes, Tricia, I really do believe that……you have obviously not followed the ENTIRE thread that Mr. Schwing and others have contributed others might have about me or any other subject (without feeling the misunderstood my post, I am in no way trying to whine about anything. The problem is that you do not agree with my "diplomatic ways" of posting…….sorry ’bout that….Tri-Baby. You are a big girl…….right? I am sure that you will get over it. Sam "not trying to "wash" anything" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whatever…….so in this newsgroup you cannot have an opinion, or at least you are not supposed to express it. Oh, yeah, right, Sam, like you really believe that. You post blatant flame bait and then come back and ingenuously claim that it’s "just" an opinion. There are diplomatic ways of expressing an opinion. Your "fat chicks" post was clearly meant to be derogatory and offensive. You’re a big boy and you know the difference between an objectively stated opinion and an offensive slur. Don’t come back and whine that your right to express an opinion is being compromised. It ain’t gonna wash. — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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One of the facts of life is that the opinions and positions that are most effectively expressed prevail. This includes proper use of the language. Since the effective use of language utilizes many of the same talents and component skills as the formulation of sound opinions, this is not necessarily a bad thing. In today’s world of spell- and grammar-checkers, it’s not that difficult. We all make mistakes, as was obviously the case with "alot," (probably a case of fat fingers)

Or in this case, haste and being dumb enough to post without first having "alot" of coffee and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s petty to jump on them, but you seem to be advocating abandoning any attempt at proper use of the language, in parading gross errors of usage ("spell so good") and implied vularities ("kiss my ___.")

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Whatever…….so in this newsgroup you cannot have an opinion, or at least you are not supposed to express it. C’mon Mike, lighten up…… Now you want to "kill" someone (or make "a person gone forever") for expressing an opinion that you disagree with? geez…… Sam "lets all just hug" Bean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As suspected, my latest kill file addition. Sometimes I wish life could imitate the internet – one or two clicks and a person is gone forever, and no lengthy incarceration. Schwing Yes…….maybe i am……but at least I know that alot is NOT a word…..that would be a lot. hehehe you used it TWICE!!! who is the idiot….. happy holidays…. sam I don’t find this funny at all. Am I missing something, or did I just find another entry for my kill file? I read alot of the book last night. It’s not all about doing triathlons, but tris are a big part of her motivation for dealing with her weight problem. I’ll tell you what, I sure have alot easier than she does. I don’t deal with half of the crap she goes through. One of the chapters has her journal entries, from early on, to getting really heavy, to finally changing her lifestyle – it’s damned painful to read, and makes me really grateful I don’t have a food problem. Put the two of our problems together in a pile and I’m wanting to take mine back with me. I can’t imagine how much courage it takes to show up at a triathlon in a bathing suit at 48% body fat. Your comments are as thoughtless as those of an idiot. Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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Agin I see being RUDE , is ok if you can spell better or at least are so anal that it’s important. My opinion is correct becouse I spell sooooo good. Well kiss my _______

One of the facts of life is that the opinions and positions that are most effectively expressed prevail. This includes proper use of the language. Since the effective use of language utilizes many of the same talents and component skills as the formulation of sound opinions, this is not necessarily a bad thing. In today’s world of spell- and grammar-checkers, it’s not that difficult. We all make mistakes, as was obviously the case with "alot," (probably a case of fat fingers) and it’s petty to jump on them, but you seem to be advocating abandoning any attempt at proper use of the language, in parading gross errors of usage ("spell so good") and implied vularities ("kiss my ___.")

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Agin I see being RUDE , is ok if you can spell better or at least are so anal that it’s important. My opinion is correct becouse I spell sooooo good. Well kiss my _______ — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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Whatever…….so in this newsgroup you cannot have an opinion, or at least you are not supposed to express it. C’mon Mike, lighten up…… Now you want to "kill" someone (or make "a person gone forever") for expressing an opinion that you disagree with? geez…… Sam "lets all just hug" Bean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As suspected, my latest kill file addition. Sometimes I wish life could imitate the internet – one or two clicks and a person is gone forever, and no lengthy incarceration. Schwing Yes…….maybe i am……but at least I know that alot is NOT a word…..that would be a lot. hehehe you used it TWICE!!! who is the idiot….. happy holidays…. sam I don’t find this funny at all. Am I missing something, or did I just find another entry for my kill file? I read alot of the book last night. It’s not all about doing triathlons, but tris are a big part of her motivation for dealing with her weight problem. I’ll tell you what, I sure have alot easier than she does. I don’t deal with half of the crap she goes through. One of the chapters has her journal entries, from early on, to getting really heavy, to finally changing her lifestyle – it’s damned painful to read, and makes me really grateful I don’t have a food problem. Put the two of our problems together in a pile and I’m wanting to take mine back with me. I can’t imagine how much courage it takes to show up at a triathlon in a bathing suit at 48% body fat. Your comments are as thoughtless as those of an idiot. Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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I don’t find this funny at all. Am I missing something, or did I just find another entry for my kill file? I read alot of the book last night. It’s not all about doing triathlons, but tris are a big part of her motivation for dealing with her weight problem. I’ll tell you what, I sure have alot easier than she does. I don’t deal with half of the crap she goes through. One of the chapters has her journal entries, from early on, to getting really heavy, to finally changing her lifestyle – it’s damned painful to read, and makes me really grateful I don’t have a food problem. Put the two of our problems together in a pile and I’m wanting to take mine back with me. I can’t imagine how much courage it takes to show up at a triathlon in a bathing suit at 48% body fat. Your comments are as thoughtless as those of an idiot.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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Yes…….maybe i am……but at least I know that alot is NOT a word…..that would be a lot. hehehe you used it TWICE!!! who is the idiot….. happy holidays…. sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t find this funny at all. Am I missing something, or did I just find another entry for my kill file? I read alot of the book last night. It’s not all about doing triathlons, but tris are a big part of her motivation for dealing with her weight problem. I’ll tell you what, I sure have alot easier than she does. I don’t deal with half of the crap she goes through. One of the chapters has her journal entries, from early on, to getting really heavy, to finally changing her lifestyle – it’s damned painful to read, and makes me really grateful I don’t have a food problem. Put the two of our problems together in a pile and I’m wanting to take mine back with me. I can’t imagine how much courage it takes to show up at a triathlon in a bathing suit at 48% body fat. Your comments are as thoughtless as those of an idiot. Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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I have been lurking here for the past year or so and have benefitted greatly from RST. I feel as though I need to throw in my opinion on Judy Molnar. I have been married for 8 years. During the course of our dating, engagement and the first 5 years of marriage, my wife and I each gained at least 50 pounds . (Eating out all of the time and not remaining active killed us.) Approximately 2 years ago I finally was so disgusted with myself because I was having a hard time finding clothes that fit me at "normal" stores. About 6 months prior to the 1998 Mrs. T’s Chicago triathlon, I told somebody that I would ride the bike leg as part of a relay team. (I had been involved in cycling in the past.) This forced me to start being active getting back into shape. I had so much fun doing the relay that I was inspired to start doing full triathlons on my own. This was great for me, however, my wife watched me lose all of the unwanted pounds and would become frustrated because she does not have an athletic background and does not gain enjoyment from competition. Enter Judy Molnar. My wife is very supportive of my triathlon habit and would watch them on tv with me when I could find them. So she watched the 1998 Hawaii Ironman with me and saw Judy’s story. This story definitely caught her attention but it never progressed any futher. Fast forward to 1999 Hawaii Ironman. Again we watched it and when my wife heard that Judy Molnar finished the Ironman this year, something clicked. My wife has signed up to do Avon’s 3 day walk (60 miles) this summer and for the first time in her life is excercising on a regular basis. Judy Molnar is inspiring many people to get off of the couch and attempt things that they thought were impossible. Because of this, I am grateful for her story. Mike hit it on the head when he said that he is thankful that he doesn’t have a problem with food. Food is an acceptable addiction. A junkie doesn’t need drugs to stay alive and a drunk will survive without alcohol. However, an overweight person has to eat to survive. Thanks for letting me blather on. Train hard. Doug

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Let’s not get into a grammar "flame war" in r.s.t. please, this is not English 101. Yes…….maybe i am……but at least I know that alot is NOT a

"i" should be capitalized word…..that would be a lot. hehehe you used it TWICE!!! who is the idiot…..

You should capitalize the first letter of a sentence and end a question with a question mark, etc. happy holidays…. sam (snip)

Merry Christmas everyone! (I don’t feel any need to be PC)

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As suspected, my latest kill file addition. Sometimes I wish life could imitate the internet – one or two clicks and a person is gone forever, and no lengthy incarceration. Schwing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes…….maybe i am……but at least I know that alot is NOT a word…..that would be a lot. hehehe you used it TWICE!!! who is the idiot….. happy holidays…. sam I don’t find this funny at all. Am I missing something, or did I just find another entry for my kill file? I read alot of the book last night. It’s not all about doing triathlons, but tris are a big part of her motivation for dealing with her weight problem. I’ll tell you what, I sure have alot easier than she does. I don’t deal with half of the crap she goes through. One of the chapters has her journal entries, from early on, to getting really heavy, to finally changing her lifestyle – it’s damned painful to read, and makes me really grateful I don’t have a food problem. Put the two of our problems together in a pile and I’m wanting to take mine back with me. I can’t imagine how much courage it takes to show up at a triathlon in a bathing suit at 48% body fat. Your comments are as thoughtless as those of an idiot. Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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Sam, are you busting on fat chicks or people who prosper from triathlons…be careful, very careful. Nik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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no…just fat chicks…..who prosper, not people who prosper…… c-ya sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sam, are you busting on fat chicks or people who prosper from triathlons…be careful, very careful. Nik Need your opinion on this Judy Molnar "chubby chicks rule book" it is ok for unqualified fat girls to do Ironman and "TRI" to prosper from What a pant load….. Sam "slipping into my flame suit" Bean hehehe Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike — Nik and Mala Pepper http://npepper.homepage.com/

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Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly. Flabbergasted. UPS delivered to me today, from Random House, Inc.’s New York office, an advance uncorrected proof copy of Judy Molnar’s new book – You Don’t Have To Be Thin To Win. To whoever it was that had this sent to me – thank you! Must’ve been the defending I did here on the newsgroup recently. The front of the book asks to please do not quote for publication without checking against the finished book – so I guess I can’t do that since I don’t have the finished book, but I will surely read this! You just never know what to expect out of life. Totally surprised and flabbergasted. (Thanks Judy) Mike

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Question:

How many of us can say we have become actively involved in the politics of USAT, I presume it’s not many. My position as USAT-NE board member was appointed, yes I said appointed, because the board positions were being balloted uncontested, ( that means no one else wanted the job) in short no one else wanted to be involved or do the necessary work. You can not make a difference in policy or opinion by standing outside, and yelling in the window, YOU MUST COME IN THE HOUSE FIRST.

Thanks for reading this thread and responding. Consider this RST forum as "IN THE HOUSE". We cannot all run for these postions, nor do many of us want to. If someone chooses to voice an opinion, is it any less for the fact that they are not running for a position? There are those that have/want positions, but they are nothing without a constituency. A governing body is nothing without the people. So the common participants are an integral part of any organization. Why do they perhaps not vote? Well, many of them do, in one of the most significant ways. They vote with their wallet. If the organization does not serve the (silent) members they will not open their wallets. Look at stats for USAT membership. Can anything be gleaned from this. Is membership up? Is it up as a function of annual. or of one day licenses? Do the membership numbers correlate with the total numbers of triathletes at triathlons, or is it clouded by one time participants? What is the trend. If USAT memebrship was NOT mandatory, where would USAT be, and why? Mandaory membership is NOT indicative of support. Not for USAT, or USCF, or NORBA, etc. It is almost a function of financial coercion. After all, we have NO choice if we want to race. Thanks for listening Dave, Ken

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Ken, Thank you for your note, and words of encouragement regarding your USAT membership. I have now and continue to have my "ear to the ground" in this forum the RST News Group, it is important to me to know the opinions of the community. As for your comment that USAT does not guarantee safe races, I agree with you that there are many talented RDs who are to be commended for their efforts and safety records, they are the real pros who have helped the sport with its phenomenal growth. The growth of triathlon over the last few years has introduced many new races and race directors. These race directors are ever increasingly turning to USAT for education, advice, and yes the different points of view that I mentioned. Your money is paying for a certain level of safety in these venues, although not really offering you any guarantee of safety. USAT officials all share the same rule book and hopefully the same interpretations, but the same point of view? Although you and I agree with, and follow the same rules in competition, I whole heartedly doubt we or anyone else shares the same point of view, and to me this is a good thing. Different ideas create different solutions. I have read the posts in this thread, I am surprised to hear the comments have reverted to the ITU drafting debate. I had hoped the International Triathlon Union issue had been accepted by the membership as it has been by the executive committee. International means world wide, we can not ignore the opinions of the world triathlon community, or take our collective gear and go home because we were out voted on certain issues. Even though I am in agreement with the anti-drafting sentiment ( I will not race a drafting race) my opinion on it is one of acceptance, I believe that the basic problem is one of name. We obviously believe that drafting races are not triathlon, and do not conform to the one race, one man triathlon competition that has made this such a great sport. Maybe we need a different designation (team triathlon?) that will tell the athletes, and the world that they are not draft free races. We cannot reject an idea simply because it does not conform to our beliefs, should we reject duathlon because there’s no swim?(Team triathlon is very close to what we do, as is duathlon) Do you play baseball, basketball, or ice hockey or do you reject them because they are not what you believe triathlon should be? I don’t believe there is a small but pesky group of age groupers who keep us from reverting to the ITU format. The sentiment I receive overwhelmingly from the membership is one of non conformation. The problem is in the non participation of the membership, and not being vocal enough. How many of us can say we have become actively involved in the politics of USAT, I presume it’s not many. My position as USAT-NE board member was appointed, yes I said appointed, because the board positions were being balloted uncontested, ( that means no one else wanted the job) in short no one else wanted to be involved or do the necessary work. You can not make a difference in policy or opinion by standing outside, and yelling in the window, YOU MUST COME IN THE HOUSE FIRST. So as for the threads idea of revolution, do you really want to be involved in revolution or do you want one to occur so you can stand back and watch. If anything has been acomplished with this post I certainly hope it has at least been a reassurance to the USAT-NE membership that there is at least one board member interested enough in what you think to express opinions, and reply to some of your concerns. My modem is always open for dialogue. Is it peek or peak? One is a pinnacle, one is a sneaky look at your sister. Sincerly, and thanks for your ear. Dave McCluskey USAT-NE Connecticut No matter what you do tri hard.

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Does a nice German mate could tell me where i could find a list of races in the country of Ironmen. Does the handbook of the Deutch Triathlon Federation has already been released? Could you give me the address of the Deutch Federation? It’ll be nice Thanks in advance…

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Does a nice German mate could tell me where i could find a list of races in the country of Ironmen. Does the handbook of the Deutch Triathlon Federation has already been released? Could you give me the address of the Deutch Federation? It’ll be nice Thanks in advance…

Rey, the handbook has already been released. I don’t know how requests from abroad are handled, but perhaps you can contact the distributor MEYER www.meyer-meyer-sports.com) The DTU (our federation) runs a www site (www.dtu.org), but many of the links (including the race list) are not yet activated ( You can also get some more information about races in certain regions of Germany on the www-sites of our regional federations: Baden Wuertemberg: home.t-online.de/home/bwtv-triathlon Bremen: home.t-online.de/home/bremer.triaverband/index.htm Nordrhein-Westfalen: www.elisa.de/wtv Sachsen Anhalt: www.sachsen.anhalt-sued.de Rheinland-Pfalz: www.uni-trier.de/infos/triathlon/rtv.htm Bavaria (will be launched within the next few weeks): www.baytria.de this list is not complete but perhaps better than nothing ! Have fun coming to Germany, the REAL home of the iron(wo)men Burkhard — Triathlon in North Bavaria: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/1219/index.htm

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Hi, I’ll try to give you the information you need. First of all the Adress of the Deutsche Triathlon Union e.V. Otto-Fleck-Schneise 12 D-60528 Frankfurt http://www.dtu.org Perhaps you could get a list of races there. If you dont, ask at to send you the November/Dezember-issue of the Magazine "Triathlon Duathlon". There you’ll find all German races. Could you by the way tell me any adress where I can get the french races, including the small ones?

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Hello triathlon friends in Europe http://www.dtu.org is a nice address, but there’s almost an empty The European calendar of the most important events is available on: http://www.etu.org For Switzerland, here two good sources: http://www.trisuisse.ch http://www.ironman.ch Best wishes Philippe MARTIN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll try to give you the information you need. First of all the Adress of the Deutsche Triathlon Union e.V. Otto-Fleck-Schneise 12 D-60528 Frankfurt http://www.dtu.org Perhaps you could get a list of races there. If you dont, ask at to send you the November/Dezember-issue of the Magazine "Triathlon Duathlon". There you’ll find all German races. Could you by the way tell me any adress where I can get the french races, including the small ones?

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When I first started thrashing about on my bike, I considered an average of 30 km/hr. (19 mph. approx) for an hour or so to be pretty good. You might want to try alternating your bike workouts a little bit. If you are riding 3 – 4 times a week, then try to have at least one of the workouts at a faster pace than the others. If you haven’t been riding for long, you shouldn’t make it a gut buster, but definately go harder than you usually do. I wouldn’t worry about make your workouts anal-retentively structured, just push a little harder each week, trying for a faster time around the course. As for the other workouts, keep them on an even pace and don’t push hard. I really don’t know the course, so I can’t comment on the hills. However, for your slow rides, sit down in the saddle and spin. On your hard ride, see how lon^j72V you can stay out of the saddle for. (On the climbs)sy^}KE”%+Ya%0!{Q( Happy riding David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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I remember reading something about 40k/hr. as being something of a milestone for people. This seems very fast! You ain’t kiddin’!!!!!

Hmmmm… my trusty palmtop computer translates 40kpm to just under 25mph. That is fast for an entire race average, especially if there are any hills. However, that does not seem too fast for a flat course. I’m not bragging, but I easily average 23-24mph/37-38kph on flats or slight rolling hills. I’ve even pushed 25-26mph/40-42kph when I know the course. Unfortunately, my 10-15mph average on hills brings my overall average down to about 20mph/32kph. And that is not anywhere close to being at the front of the pack… 40km/hr??? That seems like an incredible speed. I need a downhill just to get that fast even for 30 seconds.

Sounds like you need more time on the bike, or more downhills So what to do??? Just keep at it, keep on training and see what your genes are going to do for you. And enjoy it.

Definitely, more cycling mixed with other training will improve your times. I have some questions. My bike is a really *basic* 12 speed, but fortunately with a relatively narrow ‘racing’ saddle and the ‘thin’ tyres, is that 700*20c ??? Is this likely to stop me reaching higher speeds, say 35kph ???

Not likely. I’ve been passed by cyclists on mountain bikes with FAT tires. A good pair of legs will do wonders to your time… David reply to wuth – family – atlanta (remove the spaces) at att dot net

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Since you can only compete against yourself, I have concluded the only way to judge is to get a Heart Rate Monitor. Record your times and average Heart Rates. It is too easy to slack off otherwise. Fred

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Since you can only compete against yourself, I have concluded the only way to judge is to get a Heart Rate Monitor. Record your times and average Heart Rates. It is too easy to slack off otherwise.

Yes, I have one on back order from RoadRunner Sports. I should have it by the first week in May (knock wood). I really hope that, if used properly, this little gadget will help me improve by leaps and bounds! Lance — | Lance Ball | Imagination is greater than knowledge. – A.E. | 97 E9 02 55 96 39 AE C9 FC AE D1 AF 46 6A AB 7D

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Lance: All depends on your level of natural talent of course. But I would say aim at 20 mph average for a 20-miler. Then 21. Then, if attainable, 22. Timothy Carlson

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For instance, I usually average about 18mph on a 20 mile ride. This seems slow.

Slow, fast, it is what it is. I remember reading something about 40k/hr. as being something of a milestone for people. This seems very fast!

You ain’t kiddin’!!!!! I’m a runner who has been trying to add some biking once a week over the last couple of months (only 5 outings to date ). 40km/hr??? That seems like an incredible speed. I need a downhill just to get that fast even for 30 seconds. So what to do??? Just keep at it, keep on training and see what your genes are going to do for you. And enjoy it. Personally I’m just using a 4.0 km flat loop and hammering round that 4 or 5 times. Already I’ve progressed from av. 8:05 /lap to av. 7:36 /lap. Not very scientific, but great fun. And my current target is to get to 5 laps with an av. < 7:30. I have some questions. My bike is a really *basic* 12 speed, but fortunately with a relatively narrow ‘racing’ saddle and the ‘thin’ tyres, is that 700*20c ??? Is this likely to stop me reaching higher speeds, say 35kph ??? Or is a lot of the modern (read expensive) stuff of relatively marginal benefit, i.e. a bike like this would have been more than ample for racing 30-40 yrs ago. Is there an easy way to know when the saddle is at the correct height?? Any tips for getting the tyres well pumped?? Miles — Cut the 0_fin~SPAM_ to email back to me

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Hi RST’ers I’ve been lurking on this newsgroup for the last couple of months — all the while training away for my first (well really my second, my first was in 1988 on a whim, so it doesn’t really count) triathlon. It’s a sprint 1/4m S, 16m B, 3.1m R in June. I started riding around the first of Feb. and have been getting in 3-4 10-20 mile rides per week. At first, all my rides were on a mag trainer, then as the weather has been nicer, in Central Park. CP is a moderately hilly 6 mile loop with elevation changes of +-80 feet, the most extreme being a 60ft climb in about 1/4 – 1/2 mile. BTW, is this considered "hilly"?

It really depends on where you are from in the country and the terrain that you are used to. I’ve done a bunch of bike/rollerblade races in the past in CP, and most pure cyclists (including me, whose a triathlete) from the area would say that CP is basically flat, with a couple of rolling hills, none of which are difficult or steep to ascend. Consider this, in CP bike races I’ve done, the speed would never dip below 20 mph, of course the drafting effect helps this out. I’ve done a lot of tris in the NJ area, and most of them have bike courses that are quite a bit flatter or similarly as "hilly" to CP. By the way, I’m in Georgia now, and when I train with friends from south Florida, *any* rise in terrain seems like a hill to them, and if the temperature drops below 50 F, it’s too cold for ‘em to train outside. I have a couple of questions about my rides. I’ve been getting a little frustrated because I cannot keep up with other bikers I see in the park, and I’d like to know what kinds of times I should be expecting and pushing towards.

Many of the cyclists you see in the park that are passing you are probably doing 150-200+ miles per week, and have probably been cycling for many years. For instance, I usually average about 18mph on a 20 mile ride. This seems slow.

It may seem slow, but if you are riding only about 60 miles per week, 18mph is fairly representative of the training you are doing. Now if you were to double your miles to about 110 miles/week, and do something like an easy 15 miler, 2 x hard 20-25 milers, and 1x 45 miler for endurance on your weekend, per week you would see your cycling improve by leaps and bounds. I remember reading something about 40k/hr. as being something of a milestone for people. This seems very fast!

It is fast, and that pace (24.84 mph) would put you in the most likely in the top 10 fastest splits at any local triathlon that you may particpate in. Also averaging 40k/hr is mainly referring to a flat course, and CP wouldn’t qualify as a flat course. Is there anyone here who has experinence on the CP loop who can attest to speeds of that sort on this course?

I’ve done it plenty of times, but they were USCF bike races (allows drafting), therefore my speeds wouldn’t mean much to you, but there’ve been typically around 26.5mph – 27.5 mph average which isn’t all that fast for the course (I was a cat III USCF at the time). As someone who has only been seriously doing saddle time for 2 months, I realize that 40k/hr is unattainable.

Your doing quite well for *only* 2 months. When you increase your saddle time per week, your speed/endurance will improve dramatically. I don’t know your age, but even if you are over 50, you can still improve massively. But where should I be setting my sights? And what kinds of training should I be doing to attain these goals?

See previous mileage suggestions. BTW, most people were once in your place. Everyone has to start somewhere. In my first races, my average bike speed was around 20-21 mph, with 60-70 miles/week of training, which was mainly at 18-19mph. Once I increased my miles, my avg speeds in races dramatically improved. For example, last year on about 150 miles/week I rode a 56:34 for the 40k at Memphis in May, quite an improvement from the 20 mph race days. Good Luck, Mark Tri-Man Linenberg o __o </_ < __/ /o_ (()) (()) /

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Hi RST’ers I’ve been lurking on this newsgroup for the last couple of months — all the while training away for my first (well really my second, my first was in 1988 on a whim, so it doesn’t really count) triathlon. It’s a sprint 1/4m S, 16m B, 3.1m R in June. I started riding around the first of Feb. and have been getting in 3-4 10-20 mile rides per week. At first, all my rides were on a mag trainer, then as the weather has been nicer, in Central Park. CP is a moderately hilly 6 mile loop with elevation changes of +-80 feet, the most extreme being a 60ft climb in about 1/4 – 1/2 mile. BTW, is this considered "hilly"? I have a couple of questions about my rides. I’ve been getting a little frustrated because I cannot keep up with other bikers I see in the park, and I’d like to know what kinds of times I should be expecting and pushing towards. For instance, I usually average about 18mph on a 20 mile ride. This seems slow. I remember reading something about 40k/hr. as being something of a milestone for people. This seems very fast! Is there anyone here who has experinence on the CP loop who can attest to speeds of that sort on this course? As someone who has only been seriously doing saddle time for 2 months, I realize that 40k/hr is unattainable. But where should I be setting my sights? And what kinds of training should I be doing to attain these goals? Thanks for any advice! Lance — | Lance Ball | Imagination is greater than knowledge. – A.E. | 97 E9 02 55 96 39 AE C9 FC AE D1 AF 46 6A AB 7D

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Am looking for information to get a race application. Also, any comments about the race would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and attention!!!

Charles, Check out their web page at: http://www.austin360.com/cap10k/index.htm There is contact information there for an entry form. Also, there are entry forms in the January issues of "Inside Texas Running" and "Runner Triathlete News". cheers, Ken __ KenTech Digital Racing Clocks and Timers http://www.pobox.com/~kentech

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Am looking for information to get a race application. Also, any comments about the race would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and attention!!!

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Hi Charles, I have run it last year, I liked it. You will find serious hills at the start of the race 3 or 4 if I remember well. At least serious for somebody who trains in Houston, TX. If you are a serious runner, there is a "qualifyer" race that started 15 min before the rest of us, then the rest of us (that made me not feel too bad starting about 3 rows behind the first line and finsih at a slow 45 min). And then, they are many, many people running. So as I was walking back to the car, I was walking against a sea of walkers that were slowly making the way to the finish line. I still don’t understand why people pay a fee just to walk 10K on the road ! If you don’t "qualify", you don’t get official time taken, just look up at the clock as you finish. If you qualify, they go 10 deep in award, but the field seems to be somewhat good…. I will check at home if I have info on how to get the application. Austin is a nice city to visit, the hill country west of it is nice, hope you get a chance to visit it. Pascal. : Am looking for information to get a race application. Also, any comments : about the race would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and attention!!!

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HI, I got this from : http://www.runningnetwork.com/ Runner Triathlete News Capitol 10,000 10k 9:00a Austin Hotline 512/ 445-3598 : Am looking for information to get a race application. Also, any comments : about the race would be appreciated. Thanks for your time and attention!!!

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You need a more balanced diet – more protein and especially FAT. Make sure you get plenty of olive oil, peanut butter, etc. for fat, and tofu beans, etc for protein. Pure carbs, in my experience, will not support up to 4 hours of daily training. Check out the book "THe Zone" by Dr. Barry Sears. Todd N. Kenyon """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

As a novice triathlete I would like to increase my daily aerobic training from 2hours towards 3& 4 hours range hoping it will be enough to get me in shape to qualify for the Ironman. As a vegetarian ,not I would like to avoid developping chronic un balanced diet And not losing toomuch weight. Any one with advice or where to look for answers. My appetite seems to increase and I begin to eat lots of carbonhydrates which seems to transform in to air ,for exemple after eating around 400g of rice I begin to feel starved 4 HOURS LATER. Should I load calories with honey for easy digestion? Also when I eat granola bars or peanut butter sandwiches it gives me gases , What should I do Would a steak a week help me avoid iron or other deficiencies

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: You need a more balanced diet – more protein and especially FAT. : Make sure you : get plenty of olive oil, peanut butter, etc. for fat, and tofu beans, : Todd N. Kenyon : Yeah, dude… and don’t forget the deep fried lard covered mayonnaise balls! : No food is pure carbs todd; I run marathons (2:53 last sunday – five : minute pr), and a lowfat diet without olive oil, peanut butter, etc : gets me through just fine. Nimbus, though I as well am (currently) on the high-carb, low-fat plan, I feel that Todd presents a good, and valid point. I am now training with a few guys on the PR*Bar plan and they swear by it. At my current level of running 130-140 miles/week, I am _constantly_ eating carbos, and find that if I ingest *some* fat (like peanut butter, etc…) I’m MUCH more satisfied, and my energy levels are higher. I’m going to investigate this 40/30/30 thing further… —

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I have been told by the doctor seven weeks ago not to run because I have a stress fracture in my distal tibia and fibula. Today the doctor said I could start running slowly. But I my ankle still hurts when I’m on my feet for a long time. I asked him about this but he didn’t give me a satisfactory answer. Has anyone else had this experience? ulku

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Today the doctor said I could start running slowly. But I my ankle still hurts when I’m on my feet for a long time. I asked him about this but he didn’t give me a satisfactory answer. Has anyone else had this experience? ulku

I’ve had stress fracture areas that were still sensitive to direct finger pressure, after allowing the 6 weeks to heal. I limited my runs to 3-5 miles/day for the 2 weeks or so that it took to completely go away. I don’t know if it has to do with the lining of the bone, or what. Rubbing the spot(s) with an ice cube several times a day should help. Frank

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I have been told by the doctor seven weeks ago not to run because I have a stress fracture in my distal tibia and fibula. Today the doctor said I could start running slowly. But I my ankle still hurts when I’m on my feet for a long time. I asked him about this but he didn’t give me a satisfactory answer. Has anyone else had this experience?

i have had stress fractures to the tibia and my only advice is to listen to your body. the associated discomfort can persist for a very long time (many months). besides taking a long time to heal fully, it can mess with your mind… e.g. not always second-guessing yourself and not running for fun. i’ve been told that calcium deposits near the fracture can rub on tissue. not sure how much truth there is to this. also remember that there is probably an underlying cause. if you don’t have a good podiatrist (e.g. one who runs) get one and get good orthotics. other than that the only advice i can give is to cycle and swim… i did last time i had stress fractures. now i’m a triathlete and i can stay in fantastic shape on 20 miles per week running. my 2 cents. Art Hutchinson

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I had a stress fracture of the tibia. I ran with it for about 10 months, including the NY Marathon. It took about 1 year to completely heal and even after that it still hurt at times. I believe the best advice is to not run for at least 6 weeks. Try running in water as an alternative if possible.

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I have been told by the doctor seven weeks ago not to run because I have a stress fracture in my distal tibia and fibula. Today the doctor said I could start running slowly. But I my ankle still hurts when I’m on my feet for a long time. I asked him about this but he didn’t give me a satisfactory answer. Has anyone else had this experience?

Stress fractures result when bone is subjected to repetitive strains without sufficient time in between these sessions for which the bone can heal itself. First, microfractures develop, then they proceed to frank fractures. The pain experienced is bone pain. In such instances it probably or almost certainly originates from the outer covering of bone, the periosteum. Usually, to my knowledge, stress fractures in younger persons heal themselves in 6 weeks or so. Sometimes the bone pain can persist for many weeks or months, however. Jim Bastian

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I had a stress fracture of the tibia. I ran with it for about 10 months, including the NY Marathon. It took about 1 year to completely heal and even after that it still hurt at times. I believe the best advice is to not run for at least 6 weeks. Try running in water as an alternative if possible.

I have a large database of information on bone pain and on the effectiveness of injectable calcitonin to reduce or cure non-malignant bone pain. In instances of long-standing bone pain from stress fractures, in my opinion, there is a good possibility that treatment with salmon calcitonin, by daily injection, for one or more months may result in a complete recovery from pain. The dosage I recommend is 100 IU/day. Problems are high cost and the fact that this is not an FDA-approved indication. Also, while there are many publications which pertain to relief of bone pain with calcitonin, almost none involve stress fractures in athletes. I’m a Ph.D. pharmacologist and was involved in the 70’s in the commercial development of calcitonin for use in humans. Please note, I am not an M.D., therefore, take my advice for what it’s worth. Jim Bastian

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been told by the doctor seven weeks ago not to run because I have a stress fracture in my distal tibia and fibula. Today the doctor said I could start running slowly. But I my ankle still hurts when I’m on my feet for a long time. I asked him about this but he didn’t give me a satisfactory answer. Has anyone else had this experience? i have had stress fractures to the tibia and my only advice is to listen to your body. the associated discomfort can persist for a very long time (many months). besides taking a long time to heal fully, it can mess with your mind… e.g. not always second-guessing yourself and not running for fun. i’ve been told that calcium deposits near the fracture can rub on tissue. not sure how much truth there is to this. also remember that there is probably an underlying cause. if you don’t have a good podiatrist (e.g. one who runs) get one and get good orthotics. other than that the only advice i can give is to cycle and swim… i did last time i had stress fractures. now i’m a triathlete and i can stay in fantastic shape on 20 miles per week running. my 2 cents. Art Hutchinson

Dear Stress Fracture runner: You can do a lot 1. Deep Water Running with shoes–try it 2. Get a TENS unit or muscle stimulator unit to enhance bone growth by electrical energy 3. Be sure it has healed–you can get the fracture injected with BMP to speed it up 4. simulators–versaclimber and stepper 5. bike 6. progressive stim and stress with machines–experience PT Thanks, Ken Burres MD

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