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    Many races publish the results of their races on line.  You could gather thousands of results at one shot.  You will find my name on results from USMC marathon, Columbus (OH) marathon, Cincinnati(OH) marathon and Dublin (IE) marathon as well as a number of shorter races. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I’m interested in gathering race time statistics, so that I can analyze them. If the races you have participated in post the results to a website, please list them here. I’m looking for as many as I can, but limited to the following types of races: – 5K – 10K – Half marathon – Marathon A further restriction is that you can’t have run this distance as part of a triathlon, or any other event where the running is just one part. If I get enough websites, especially American, European, and generally international ones, I will make the results available. Thanks, Richard Rogers

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Richard Rogers

The architect?

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Hi there, I’m interested in gathering race time statistics, so that I can analyze them. If the races you have participated in post the results to a website, please list them here. I’m looking for as many as I can, but limited to the following types of races: – 5K – 10K – Half marathon – Marathon A further restriction is that you can’t have run this distance as part of a triathlon, or any other event where the running is just one part. If I get enough websites, especially American, European, and generally international ones, I will make the results available. Thanks, Richard Rogers

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anyone have one of these for sale?  also, if you’ve had experience with them, let me know what you think!  they are legal now in all triathlons/tt’s, correct?  thanks

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Hi Ryan I know for sure that they are in fact USCF and triathlon legal (and let me say it is about time someone made one). Can’t remember both companies that have them for sale currently but do remember a guy on this board called Fastrak bicycles who has them for sale in medium and large size ready to go. If you can track him down through a search he’d be the one to go with. Good luck and enjoy Kent — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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anyone have one of these for sale?  also, if you’ve had experience with them, let me know what you think!  they are legal now in all triathlons/tt’s, correct?  thanks

I have them. Thnaks Dave Lettieri FasTrack Bicycles 118 W. Canon Perdido Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805-884-0210 www.fastrackbicycles.com

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I ordered one from Dave a few weeks ago; an excellent helmet, and even better service. Don

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – anyone have one of these for sale?  also, if you’ve had experience with them, let me know what you think!  they are legal now in all triathlons/tt’s, correct?  thanks I have them. Thnaks Dave Lettieri FasTrack Bicycles 118 W. Canon Perdido Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805-884-0210 www.fastrackbicycles.com

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i’ve been using Bodyglide now and then since last winter, when I got some sore patches in my armpit area…. from some rubbing while running, i guess. i’ve needed it quite frequently lately. Bodyglide works great, but it’s so freaking expensive! i get it at the Running Room store here in Ottawa for over 7 bucks – just for that little .45 oz. thing. does anyone know of a place, preferably in Canada (our dollar is nearly worthless elsewhere), where one can buy this product at lower cost, and maybe even in larger sizes? i did notice that some places on the web had larger sizes, but of course the reasonable US prices would excalate in CAN dollars. thanks for any help, Cam

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve been using Bodyglide now and then since last winter, when I got some sore patches in my armpit area…. from some rubbing while running, i guess. i’ve needed it quite frequently lately. Bodyglide works great, but it’s so freaking expensive! i get it at the Running Room store here in Ottawa for over 7 bucks – just for that little .45 oz. thing. does anyone know of a place, preferably in Canada (our dollar is nearly worthless elsewhere), where one can buy this product at lower cost, and maybe even in larger sizes? i did notice that some places on the web had larger sizes, but of course the reasonable US prices would excalate in CAN dollars. thanks for any help, Cam

Go to the grocery store – it’s in big five pound cans for a couple bucks. The label reads "Crisco."

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Go to the grocery store – it’s in big five pound cans for a couple bucks. The label reads "Crisco."

You can’t be serious!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve been using Bodyglide now and then since last winter, when I got some sore patches in my armpit area…. from some rubbing while running, i guess. i’ve needed it quite frequently lately. Bodyglide works great, but it’s so freaking expensive! i get it at the Running Room store here in Ottawa for over 7 bucks – just for that little .45 oz. thing. does anyone know of a place, preferably in Canada (our dollar is nearly worthless elsewhere), where one can buy this product at lower cost, and maybe even in larger sizes? i did notice that some places on the web had larger sizes, but of course the reasonable US prices would excalate in CAN dollars. thanks for any help, Cam Go to the grocery store – it’s in big five pound cans for a couple bucks. The label reads "Crisco."

ha! yeah i guess that would work as well as Vaseline, but unfortunately both of these oil-based products stain clothing. i found that out the hard way with my running shirts – some of which were favourite race shirts. and that’s the main reason i’m using the expensive stuff, to save my clothes. if it were only for swimming, there would be no problem – no shirt!   Cam

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Go to the grocery store – it’s in big five pound cans for a couple bucks. The label reads "Crisco." You can’t be serious!

Anything to do with fried chicken, I’m all for it. Rick Swanger

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The main ingredient in Body Glide is Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride.    This chemical is also a major ingredient in "BREAST ENHANCEMENT CREME".    You might want to be careful where you use it, depending on your sex of course. Brian is right, use Crisco Crisco Pure Canola Oil Canola oil has a nutritional profile that is superior to other oils as it contains the lowest level of saturated fatty acids. Like all vegetable oils, canola oil is also cholesterol and sodium free. Canola oil is recommended by the American Heart Association as a healthy oil. Canola oil is made from an oilseed crop grown primarily in Canada. The name canola comes from the combination of the words Canadian and oil. Canola oil does not come from the original rapeseed plant, but it does come from a relative of that plant family. The plant used to make canola oil was produced by traditional plant breeding methods that maintained the lower level of saturated fat, and reduced the amount of erucic acid to 2% or less, which is deemed safe by the FDA. NEOBEE 1053 Chemical Description CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC TRIGLYCERIDE Applications Key source of fat as a nutrient in a variety of specialized nutritional products. Carrier for flavors, vitamins, essential oils and colors. Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCTs) are specialized fats that are similar to conventional oils but are used rapidly The second ingredient in Body Glide is Tribehnin and no search engine I have access to would produce a result. The Third ingredient is C18-36 Acid Triglyceride which is a major ingredient in Lip Balm. My search said that it is a fat probably derived from an animal source. USE CRISCO Hey, I never agree with BW but this may be an exception. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve been using Bodyglide now and then since last winter, when I got some sore patches in my armpit area…. from some rubbing while running, i guess. i’ve needed it quite frequently lately. Bodyglide works great, but it’s so freaking expensive! i get it at the Running Room store here in Ottawa for over 7 bucks – just for that little .45 oz. thing. does anyone know of a place, preferably in Canada (our dollar is nearly worthless elsewhere), where one can buy this product at lower cost, and maybe even in larger sizes? i did notice that some places on the web had larger sizes, but of course the reasonable US prices would excalate in CAN dollars. thanks for any help, Cam

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to whomever it was originally seeking bodyglide, I sell it at the shop, contact me via e-mail and I’ll help you out…  John Hansen

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The main ingredient in Body Glide is Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride.    This chemical is also a major ingredient in "BREAST ENHANCEMENT CREME".    You might want to be careful where you use it, depending on your sex of course.

Well, if you thought BodyGlide was expensive before, just wait, now that Ken opened his big mouth. Let’s have a a redux of the body painted wetsuit cover shot in Triathlete, AFTER generous application of BodyGlide. Canola oil is made from an oilseed crop grown primarily in Canada. The name canola comes from the combination of the words Canadian and oil. Canola oil does not come from the original rapeseed plant, but it does come from a relative of that plant family. The plant used to make canola oil was produced by traditional plant breeding methods that maintained the lower level of saturated fat, and reduced the amount of erucic acid to 2% or less, which is deemed safe by the FDA.

Of course, there IS a huge web-based conspiracy theory that Canola oil is super toxic based on the rapeseed connection, and the fact that it comes from Canada.  There are whacko websites that will tell you it’s a Canadian conspiracy to kill us all. Amusing reading USE CRISCO Hey, I never agree with BW but this may be an exception.

He just likes the kinky connotations.

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What school do you go to? Is there a women’s cross country team?  All of the schools I’ve ever seen of any size that didn’t have a cross country team because of Title IX.  There’s equality for ya.  There is no women’s football, so let’s dump the cross program…hahaha… But anyway, the idea is to first get enough people rounded up so that you actually have a team (at least 5 guys, but 7-10 would be much better) and start a club.  Go see the athletic director.  Tell him you are the only school in the world without a cross team and that everyone is laughing at you. Might work. -jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello… Just asking for maybe some ideas on how to start one at my school.  I transferred to this new school and I can not believe they dont have a team!  I mean, what the heck does it cost to fund a xc team?  It has to be the cheapest of all sports.  Anyway…what do you guys suggest to start one or something…thanks      s*th "maybe its for the best….maybe its not for anything"

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Hello… Just asking for maybe some ideas on how to start one at my school.  I transferred to this new school and I can not believe they dont have a team!  I mean, what the heck does it cost to fund a xc team?  It has to be the cheapest of all sports.  Anyway…what do you guys suggest to start one or something…thanks      s*th "maybe its for the best….maybe its not for anything"

You should check with your athletic director  and your track coach (assuming they have track as a sport there) to learn what is required for a sport to become a recognized varsity sport.  At some schools (e.g., the University of Chicago, where I founded Woman’s Cross Country), the requirement is simply one year of being a club activity, with a volunteer coach and enough participants showing up so that you don’t forfeit any meets. Good luck, Ed Friedman

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Hello… Just asking for maybe some ideas on how to start one at my school.  I transferred to this new school and I can not believe they dont have a team!  I mean, what the heck does it cost to fund a xc team?  It has to be the cheapest of all sports.  Anyway…what do you guys suggest to start one or something…thanks      s*th "maybe its for the best….maybe its not for anything"

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you can start one at club* status through student government/ rec department.  I guarantee you will be on the phone talking to many pinheads before you find the right person to talk to.  However, once you do find the right person, you will be able to get a charter, then get entry fees, equipment, travel & lodging.  It is worth it if you are serious about it, otherwise forming a new club and getting through red tape can be a major headache – i helped do it with both a water polo club and triathlon. *means you are not an officially sanctioned school sport, you are an "athletic" club.  Works almost the same though. good luck marty Hello… Just asking for maybe some ideas on how to start one at my school.  I transferred to this new school and I can not believe they dont have a team!  I mean, what the heck does it cost to fund a xc team?  It has to be the cheapest of all sports.  Anyway…what do you guys suggest to start one or something…thanks      s*th "maybe its for the best….maybe its not for anything"

Before you buy.

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What is the correct running form? Am I suppose to land on my heel or midsole? any info appreciated, John.

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What is the correct running form? Am I suppose to land on my heel or midsole? any info appreciated, John.

Previous post on ball/heel thinking: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – words:     3. It is physically possible to land heel-first in running, but     this is quite incorrect and almost never seen, since it jars the     body excessively and can be done only at very slow running speeds.     Landing heel-first and "toe running" (refusing to permit the heels     to ground) are both incorrect. I was open-minded up to this point, but saying heel-ball running is "quite incorrect" is a little dogmatic. Saying it is "almost unseen" is just churlish. Charlie, I’m nearly certain that the 1st sentence of point #3 of Hal Higdon’s "Ten Tips on Running" is quite incorrect I’ve been going through some copies of the French equivalent to RW, "Jogging International" (mmm, something for the runners v. joggers thread??). I’ve struggled to find pics that AREN’T of heel strikers!!! Seems their all at it I put up a post a while back about photos in Better Training for Distance Runners which no one replied to. I will say it again – look at fig. g on page 15 and the picture of Seb Coe on page 26. Heel-strikers? I don’t have the "Better TFDR", just "TFDR". Two shots of Coe in flight:   1) With McClean and Cram. Here Coe is in midflight, so hard to be certain. I reckon his knee will not straighten and he’ll NOT heel strike. But it’s open to debate.   2) Alone, but in a series of 3 shots with Aouita and Kristiansen. Poetry in motion. He’s definitely not going to heel strike (see my next para). I thought it might help this discussion if we were all looking at the same group of pictures. Let us all be CERTAIN what we mean when we say heel strike or midfoot strike. I’ve scanned in some good pics this morning and now have them on an html page. Trouble is I’ve not got a publically accessible web site. I’ll speak to our system guys later and see if they can do anything for me. Miles

 Miles, Dean, Y-Rotation, Phil and others,  It is a joy and makes my heart sing to be able to dialogue with you about this whole Ball/Heel issue. Back in 1978 I purchased a Sanyo video recorder which had a four head recorder so that it could be played in slow motion.  It had it’s own 20 minute cassette format and was used in surgeries and other manufacturing processes which needed a slo-mo replay.   It was black and white and served me for about 6 years in teaching form and style where I could show people how they ran and then replan it in slo-mo. One of the most beautiful runners I filmed was Jan Haggelbrand from Sweden.  He ran for US Int’l University and was truly a gazelle.  What I learned from him is that his running stride looked like he was hitting heel first but when I slowed the tape down you were able to see that his c of g was already forward and that the landing was more of midsole so that by the time the foot landed in was ball/heel but quicker than the eye at regular could see. In looking at pictures, thanks for your work Miles, I realized that I couldn’t judge a heel or ball/heel landing because it is only a fraction of time and I’d need to see the entire sequence to be able to watch. What I did learn is that if you see an elite runner coming towards you, you will seldom see the bottom of their shoe.  With Jan Haggelbrand, you’d see the bottom of the shoe but as he landed (as viewed from the side) you realized that he landed midsole because he c of g. was always slightly in front of the landing foot. With heel strikers, you will always see the bottoms of their heels.  Also you will notice that heel strikers for the most part when seen from the front do not lift their knees.  With faster and more elite runners, most head on shots look as if they have one leg and the other leg is cut off at the knee as the lower leg is hidden behing the thigh.  As they bring the knee up you don’t see the bottom of their shoe because as soon as the knee is up the leg is coming back down.   I do believe that the dialogue as we address the issue of learning to run be it 10 minutes/mile or 4 minutes/mile one can use good form no matter what. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com  With Servers In California, Texas And Virginia – The Worlds Uncensored News Source

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What is the correct running form? Am I suppose to land on my heel or midsole? any info appreciated, John.

Depends on the distance. If you watch elite runners of both short distance track and long distance road, you’ll see differences in form. Form is not just about how you land though. I think how you land is a consequence of other more major factors that you should first consider: including how "tall" you run; how you position your hips; how straight you have your legs when you land; how much you bend your knees after the foot touches the ground etc. etc. C

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What is the correct running form? Am I suppose to land on my heel or midsole? any info appreciated, John.

Here’s another post from Denny Anderson, one of the ball/heel contributors, whose added a lot to the dialogue over the years. Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 88 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news.inreach.com rec.running:160326 Hi,           I’ve recently been reading "The Triathlete’s Training Bible" by Joe Friel. In it he makes a comparison between forefoot and heel striking, concluding that landing on the forefoot is a much more efficient and superior style. The main reasons being :- * Landing on the forefoot results in less time in contact with the ground maximising the rebound effect and the return of stored energy. In effect giving a free boost to speed.

Actually, forefoot touchdown results in 1) greater surface area contacting the ground, and 2) longer contact time WHILE ABSORBING LANDING FORCES. The forefoot has about 6 times the surface area as the heel (the part of the heel which absorbs touchdown forces). So landing force is spread out over a time frame of 2 to 2 1/2 times that of a heel TD. That’s why mfr’s build in so much cushioning in the heel. * Landing on the heel means more time spent on the ground and loss of this energy.

Not necessarily true. If the heel lands directly below the knee joint, and the joint is bent, braking will not occur, and not much energy is lost. It’s a simple heel-ball transition to push off. Forefoot landing is — forefoot, let down to heel, raise heel, toe- off! more complicated — yes? More efficient? YES! It is an act of using the foot as it was designed. * Landing on the heel also means that the leg must be in front of the body and this will impede forward momentum, like hitting the brakes with

Often the case, but not necessarily true. I videotaped our team’s first XC race last week. In slow mo (actually frame by frame) I saw every imaginable style. Some (not many) heel-strikers were rolling along very smoothly, w/o over striding — they were landing directly under their C of G and bounce (vert oscillation) kept to a minimum. The front runners (5k in 16:33 and 16:44) were gliding along, landing midfoot, directly under the bent knee joint. Beautiful form. every step. Landing on the forefoot with the foot beneath or slightly in front of the center of gravity giving greater economy and reducing impact forces.        The logic and science seemed reasonable and as a heel stiker I’m wondering if I’ve been making my running harder than need be. I have a few questions about this and the running newsgroup seems the ideal place to ask them.        Does anyone have any opinions on the validity of the above arguments?

Nah. Never gave the subject much thought.        Has anyone switched from heel to forefoot stiking and what experiences did they have?

Seriously, I may be obsessed with "efficiency/running economy". I’ve switched from midfoot to forefoot (midfoot at jog pace). The way to do the conversion is too work on 1) increasing cadence to 180 steps/min, or better, and 2) consciously try to minimize bounce.        Is forefoot striking more likely to result in injury?

Forefoot landing CAN result in injury IF the change-over is made too quickly. Happened to me. The ankle joint moves through a greater range, and more stretching of the calf muscles and tension on the achilles occurs during toe-off. Not that is bad, mind you. But, if your body is not used to doing that, it takes time to get properly broken in to the different biomechanics/stresses. When I run with our XC team I either go in racing shoes or Aqua Socks. Both allow forefoot running. With forefoot running NO CUSHIONING is needed. The feet were designed to provide all you’ll need by efficiently absorbing landing forces (lumpy gravel trails are a challenge in Aqua socks, howsome-ever). Thanks in advance, Mark.

HTH, Denny "and they say *how CAN you run in those things*" Anderson — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com  With Servers In California, Texas And Virginia – The Worlds Uncensored News Source

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–On Wednesday, June 23, 1999, 12:13 AM -0400 Vineski I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. One note.  Afterwards, it’s always advisable to have a sleeve handy to mop up the remnants!

Oh, yeah.  My t-shirt is divided into zones: the bottom front is for nose and snotty hand wipes, the sleeves and neck are for sweat-off-the-face wipes.  I suspect the real reason those elity-looking types wear those cotton gloves in all sorts of weather is so they can wipe up snot with the draw of a finger under their nose.

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I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family.

It is good etiquette to look both ways before hoisting the snot aloft. An old running friend would consistently forget until I tripped him once on a slow trail run. I claimed I slid on the goober and lost my balance.  The sheepish grin on my face surpassed the "Oops, I’m sorry" but it has not happened since.   — Caveat Lector!

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Now THIS is a great thread! I find it easier to perform this task while running. I did it in the supermarket the other day… People didn’t care for it too much. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. It is good etiquette to look both ways before hoisting the snot aloft. An old running friend would consistently forget until I tripped him once on a slow trail run. I claimed I slid on the goober and lost my balance.  The sheepish grin on my face surpassed the "Oops, I’m sorry" but it has not happened since.   — Caveat Lector!

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the "paperless blow".  

You mean, "Boyscout Blow."

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the "paperless blow". You mean, "Boyscout Blow."

<mulls over tie-in to gay activists’ problems with that particular organization and takes a pass, weighing in instead with… And here, all along I thought it was a "farmer’s hankie!"

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Anyone seen the Adidas as featuring the "paperless blow"? -ssloth

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I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. One note.  Afterwards, it’s always advisable to have a sleeve handy to mop up the remnants! Steve Vineski Potomac Runners

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I know, NOW they tell us they can work for snoring.  All  those nights I slept on the couch,,,,,  I kicked the man out eventually… Snoring=grounds for divorce. Just kidding!!.         Laurie

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Kris…   I have narrow nasal passages and simply CANNOT inhale exclusively through my nose when I run or cycle.  I also tend to loosen lots of "stuff" in my sinuses while exercising, particularly when I’m pushing it. Without a doubt, the most helpful thing I have learned to do **warning, possibility of gross visual image ahead** is the "paperless blow".  Cover right nostrel, head turned far to the left, and blow — HARD.  Repeat on the other side, all while staying in stride or hammering the bike…  obviously inappropriate for the gym and running in tight groups  :)    

And it’s effective against bike drafters in a triathlon, too.  <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

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Thanks. I didn’t know there was any use for them. I’ll give them to my wife immediatly. -ssoth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

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Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

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Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

The only thing I’ve heard they’re really good for is snoring, seriously.   And this works in just a few snorers at that.    David "IndyRunr"

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the unmitigated audacity to write: Thanks. I didn’t know there was any use for them. I’ll give them to my wife immediatly. -ssoth They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

        My wife wears them to bed. They do limit snoring. I used to lie awake while she snorted and wheezed if I did not get to sleep first.  The only rest I used to get is when she sucked all the air out of the room so I passed out.         Ken K. "Living for the Runner’s High"

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unmitigated audacity to write: Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

        I have tried them for running and cycling and have seen no advantage. Of course I never had any real problem with getting enough air in and out in the first place. Maybe someone with a nasal problem would find them advantageous.         Ken K. "Living for the Runner’s High"

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I swear by them I have been using them for about 2 1/2 years now would not run without it. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

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I agree with respiration not being the limiting factor (lets drag out the olympic swimmer who won a medal and only had one lung – don’t remember the name, the year, or anything worthwhile <g). And Phil Squire mentioned a study that essentially said they were placebo. However (you knew there had to be one of those didn’t ya), I have a partially deviated septum and find breathing through the nose difficult. Anybody have an idea whether these strips would help me (in the future, right now respiration is the least of my limiting factors <g)? Any studies on those with similar problems to mine? Thanks, Kris Selser

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Kris…   I have narrow nasal passages and simply CANNOT inhale exclusively through my nose when I run or cycle.  I also tend to loosen lots of "stuff" in my sinuses while exercising, particularly when I’m pushing it. Without a doubt, the most helpful thing I have learned to do **warning, possibility of gross visual image ahead** is the "paperless blow".  Cover right nostrel, head turned far to the left, and blow — HARD.  Repeat on the other side, all while staying in stride or hammering the bike…  obviously inappropriate for the gym and running in tight groups  :)    Tough to do at first – both psychologically and physically, but definitely a skill worth mastering. — Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with respiration not being the limiting factor (lets drag out the olympic swimmer who won a medal and only had one lung – don’t remember the name, the year, or anything worthwhile <g). And Phil Squire mentioned a study that essentially said they were placebo. However (you knew there had to be one of those didn’t ya), I have a partially deviated septum and find breathing through the nose difficult. Anybody have an idea whether these strips would help me (in the future, right now respiration is the least of my limiting factors <g)? Any studies on those with similar problems to mine? Thanks, Kris Selser

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Placebo. Most people breath througg both nose  and mouth while doing a decent effort. And respiration is nor a limiting factor  in endurance sports – it’s  circulatory system. — regards Josef zero.spam_m8639.abc.se_zero.spam To mail please remove "_zero.spam_"

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Well, Ronaldo DaCosta rolled a 2:06:05 marathon and we all know the reason – Breathe Right Nasal Strips! Ben

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Hi everyone,  Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

I don’t know if they work for running but I saw some drivers in the Indy 500 wearing them. Go figure. D.J. " People who get paid to wear them would not lie"   (IRONKID)

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I used them to bandage a cut on my nose – worked pretty good.  I wouldn’t recommend them for much else.

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Saw a study, which I can’t find, which said that they have no measurable effect of physical performance. Of course there is the small chance of a placebo effect. Phil

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Hi everyone,  Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

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Any thoughts are appreciated: I was sick last week, probably just a real nasty cold, but I still have a bit of a stuffy head and runny nose.  Anyway, I wanted to do this weeks’ Dannon Du here in Dallas, but I’ve hardly trained for the last 12 days.  This evening, I went out for a light run and threw in a half-mile at near race pace.  My legs felt rubbery and my throat got very dry and sore. I’d hate to miss this race as I stopped swimming this year (time constraints) and didn’t do the USTS  last week. Should I give the race a shot?  Am I being too soft?

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Should I give the race a shot?  Am I being too soft?

Your body is giving you a warning. It is telling you that it is still fighting off the cold. My advice is to ditch the race unless this is *the race* that you’ve been planning for all year. Even then you must weigh the implications of getting a serious illness afterward if you decide to race. If it is just a triathlon in your area, just ditch it. Heal up. The best thing about tris nowadays is that they are a dime a dozen. You can always find another race in your area. Hope this helps.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   ‘98 IMC, GCT, BSLT IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Any thoughts are appreciated: I was sick last week, probably just a real nasty cold, but I still have a bit of a stuffy head and runny nose.  Anyway, I wanted to do this weeks’ Dannon Du here in Dallas, but I’ve hardly trained for the last 12 days.  This evening, I went out for a light run and threw in a half-mile at near race pace.  My legs felt rubbery and my throat got very dry and sore. I’d hate to miss this race as I stopped swimming this year (time constraints) and didn’t do the USTS  last week. Should I give the race a shot?  Am I being too soft?

Sorry Frank but I’d say don’t race. Racing when you’re ill (or recently have been) is no fun. IMO it takes a good while for your body to recover enough strength to race properly, even long after the symptoms have gone. Besides, it can be lethal (literally). regards adrian

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I’d hate to miss this race as I stopped swimming this year (time constraints) and didn’t do the USTS  last week.

If this is an important race to you…..go for it.  If there is a bigger race down the road, what it out. Depending on how much base you have behind you, 12 days wouldnt make any difference.  It would probably help you….more rest, better race.  

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you go girl!!!!  =) I would say you speak for the majority of us. Mr Epps,  if you don’t like what you read, go someplace else!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Think you came to the wrong spot, Mr Epps. alt.i-don’t-know-how-to-edit-my-posts is down the hall to the left. And rec.smug.little.bastards is across the hall, past the statue of Rush Limbaugh and three doors along to the right. HTH. Madeleine "so *nice* of you to drop by" Page

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Think you came to the wrong spot, Mr Epps. I-know-how-to-edit-my-posts is down the hall to the left. And rec.smug.little.bastards is across the hall, past the statue of Rush Limbaugh and three doors along to the right. Well, Madeleine to the rescue.  There I am reading that silly post from Mr. Epps, thinking it was rather an interesting little story from the original poster, got to the end and thought "what a jerk."  As I started to compose my response, I read a bit further and saw Madeleine’s post – well done and thanks for saving me the trouble!  Far more brilliant than my response would have been anyway… and gets right to the point.

Please don’t jump on Mr. Epps for his post–he merely wished to introduce himself to us all as: Yet Another Windows Newbie. Mark — (Not speaking for my employer.) Wolfram Research, Inc. Voice: 217-398-0700/x107

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quoted no less than 49 lines of text, in order to add: : YAWN Think you came to the wrong spot, Mr Epps. alt.i-don’t-know-how-to-edit-my-posts is down the hall to the left. And rec.smug.little.bastards is across the hall, past the statue of Rush Limbaugh and three doors along to the right. HTH. Madeleine "so *nice* of you to drop by" Page

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Think you came to the wrong spot, Mr Epps. I-know-how-to-edit-my-posts is down the hall to the left. And rec.smug.little.bastards is across the hall, past the statue of Rush Limbaugh and three doors along to the right.

Well, Madeleine to the rescue.  There I am reading that silly post from Mr. Epps, thinking it was rather an interesting little story from the original poster, got to the end and thought "what a jerk."  As I started to compose my response, I read a bit further and saw Madeleine’s post – well done and thanks for saving me the trouble!  Far more brilliant than my response would have been anyway… and gets right to the point. Heather (Who thinks Mr. Epps’ mother didn’t teach him not to say anything at all if he had nothing nice to say)

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: I guess these guys aren’t going to sign up for a triathlon or the Tough : Man race. Funnily enough, one of them has done the Tough Guy twice, and another is doing the Three Peaks fell race in April, instead of the Marathon! Had we been sure of the depth,

Absolutely the right thing to do. It’s unbelievable how many people will walk/drive/run into flood waters of unknown depth. Not surprisingly, many of them drown. Nothing wimpy about your decision. Mike "TriBop" Tennent http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone been on any recent runs that went wrong for bizarre or interesting reasons? Last Sunday morning, I set out on a 22-miler with my London Marathon training partners.  We’d had a bit of rain the previous few days, but luckily it was dry on this particular day, if somewhat overcast. Our route was to take us into the countryside, out to a nature reserve. We were to loop around the lake in the nature reserve, before heading back home. As we ran along the road that leads down to said nature reserve, a few cars passed us.  A short time later, those same vehicles passed us again, heading in the opposite direction.  "That’s odd," we said to ourselves.  "And why were the drivers gesticulating like that?" We debated possible reasons for this as we ran down the hill towards the lake – but stopped short when we saw the road disappearing underwater!  We could just see it climb again out of the water, 100 m away.  It looked like it would be thigh-deep, but we didn’t want to risk wading into it only to find that it was deeper – and besides, the idea of running a further 12 miles in sodden shoes didn’t really appeal (been there, done that, had the blisters…) So we turned back.  At this point, some bright spark suggested an off-road detour – which saw us stumbling across fields, our feet demonstrating a sudden magnetic attraction for huge clods of mud. Eventually, we found ourselves on an alternative route that would, we hoped get us back on track whilst steering clear of further obstacles.  Well, you can imagine what happened.  At least this time, someone had managed to put a flood warning sign in the road well in advance of trouble, which minimised the backtracking we had to do. After another off-road detour, we finally got to where we wanted to be.  We were now running along a long stretch of road which normally lies beside a wide expanse of fields – only this time all you could see was water!  Quite bizarre.  Actually, we were rather lucky, as the mud and pebbles strewn all about suggested that this road, too, had been underwater not long ago.  A short time later, we came across the most memorable sight: an underwater rubgy pitch – with kids in a small boat rowing in between the posts! All in all, an unreal experience, interesting and frustrating in equal measures. Nick

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Anyone been on any recent runs that went wrong for bizarre or interesting reasons? Last Sunday morning, I set out on a 22-miler with my London Marathon training partners.  We’d had a bit of rain the previous few days, but luckily it was dry on this particular day, if somewhat overcast. Our route was to take us into the countryside, out to a nature reserve. We were to loop around the lake in the nature reserve, before heading back home.

etc. Interesting story.  Shows that those of us addicted to running will overcome all sorts of adversity to get our fix! — JB

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Cows graze in Stanford foothills. Every once in while they get spooked and stampede you. A few close calls there. Especially when they forced me into a poison oak grove. Calves will playfully run with you too. (These are in "illegal" areas of the foothills, but I generally ignore that.) Or the time I had to make an emergency pit stop during a foothill run. And the "hygiene leaves" turned out to be poison oak.

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Efford (CoMIR)) writes: Anyone been on any recent runs that went wrong for bizarre or interesting reasons?

Brings to mind my run of about a week ago.  It didn’t stop raining the whole hour and a half and there were pools of water everywhere.  Not that I could see the pools of water, mind – I didn’t have my contact lenses in, so I didn’t know they were there until I’d stepped in them.  To cap it all, I spent the latter stages wondering if my track-suit trousers were going to stay up.  The elastic in them wasn’t very elastic and they were probably double their normal weight because of all the water they were holding.             l -’                                    _ /

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone been on any recent runs that went wrong for bizarre or interesting reasons? Last Sunday morning, I set out on a 22-miler with my London Marathon training partners.  We’d had a bit of rain the previous few days, but luckily it was dry on this particular day, if somewhat overcast. Our route was to take us into the countryside, out to a nature reserve. We were to loop around the lake in the nature reserve, before heading back home. etc.

I guess these guys aren’t going to sign up for a triathlon or the Tough Man race. Andrew Heiz

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: I guess these guys aren’t going to sign up for a triathlon or the Tough : Man race. Funnily enough, one of them has done the Tough Guy twice, and another is doing the Three Peaks fell race in April, instead of the Marathon! Had we been sure of the depth, and had we been nearing the end of the run, I’m sure we would have just carried on.  But like I said, we had 12 more miles to go, and we all knew what that would do to our feet if our shoes got wet. Nick

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Anyone been on any recent runs that went wrong for bizarre or interesting reasons? Last Sunday morning, I set out on a 22-miler with my London Marathon training partners.  We’d had a bit of rain the previous few days, but luckily it was dry on this particular day, if somewhat overcast. Our route was to take us into the countryside, out to a nature reserve. We were to loop around the lake in the nature reserve, before heading back home. As we ran along the road that leads down to said nature reserve, a few cars passed us.  A short time later, those same vehicles passed us again, heading in the opposite direction.  "That’s odd," we said to ourselves.  "And why were the drivers gesticulating like that?" We debated possible reasons for this as we ran down the hill towards the lake – but stopped short when we saw the road disappearing underwater!  We could just see it climb again out of the water, 100 m away.  It looked like it would be thigh-deep, but we didn’t want to risk wading into it only to find that it was deeper – and besides, the idea of running a further 12 miles in sodden shoes didn’t really appeal (been there, done that, had the blisters…) So we turned back.  At this point, some bright spark suggested an off-road detour – which saw us stumbling across fields, our feet demonstrating a sudden magnetic attraction for huge clods of mud. Eventually, we found ourselves on an alternative route that would, we hoped get us back on track whilst steering clear of further obstacles.  Well, you can imagine what happened.  At least this time, someone had managed to put a flood warning sign in the road well in advance of trouble, which minimised the backtracking we had to do. After another off-road detour, we finally got to where we wanted to be.  We were now running along a long stretch of road which normally lies beside a wide expanse of fields – only this time all you could see was water!  Quite bizarre.  Actually, we were rather lucky, as the mud and pebbles strewn all about suggested that this road, too, had been underwater not long ago.  A short time later, we came across the most memorable sight: an underwater rubgy pitch – with kids in a small boat rowing in between the posts! All in all, an unreal experience, interesting and frustrating in equal measures. Nick

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In these types of ads, it might be helpful to list where you are, what types of hours you plan on training, etc. etc.

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I don’t know what anyone else thinks of these help wanted ads, but I think they’re great!  I wish I worked with more triathletes, and also wish that more employers recognized the benefits of exercise on one’s work performance, as well as the work ethic of most triathletes.  Keep em coming! Marty

Not to mention that people who exercise tend not to use as many sick days.  It really pissed me off when I read Jason Mayfield’s response on the Father & Triathlete thread about how his company is moving into a new building that has FOUR SMOKING LOUNGES but NO SHOWERS! UGH!  I am lucky enough to work in a place where I can use a shower (in a different building and usually cold but good enough).  Instead of helping out smokers employers should encourage employees to exercise – I would also expect that insurance rates could be reduced drastically if there were more athletes and less smokers. Does anyone know of any policies for non-smoking athletes? (There used to be a company that advertised in the Tri-Fed newsletter thing but 1.5 yrs ago I tried calling the number and it was no longer in service.) -hug

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Attention all you yankee triathletes stuck in the frozen north: If you are a C and C++ programmer and would be interested in a position in the balmy south, i.e. Houston, Texas (year round running and biking – might have to move indoors a couple months to swim) we have some positions open. Call or email me for more information if you are interested.  If you want to know about the tri activity here, check out the web site: http://www.runningnetwork.com/RunTriNews/ I appologize if this is inappropriate to post this to this newsgroup. (I am new to this newsgroup game.)  Just thought it would be a real plus if I could hire a training partner.  :) Thanks, Cary |Cary Purdy |POSC, Project Leader |Phone:  713 267-5123 |Fax:    713 267-5123 |home page: http://www.posc.org  

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I appologize if this is inappropriate to post this to this newsgroup. (I am new to this newsgroup game.)  Just thought it would be a real plus if I could hire a training partner.  :) Thanks, Cary

I don’t know what anyone else thinks of these help wanted ads, but I think they’re great!  I wish I worked with more triathletes, and also wish that more employers recognized the benefits of exercise on one’s work performance, as well as the work ethic of most triathletes.  Keep em coming! Marty

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Jason, I am one of the 3 race directors who put on the Cambridge Tri.  I understand that your concern is over the way we handled the cancellation.  We waited until the Sunday before the race to cancel because our history is that we get the bulk of our entrants the week after Columbia.  That did not happen this year. We believe Seaside Heights got most of our athletes.  When the numbers did not materialize during the week they typically do, we then decided to cancel it.  At that point we called every entrant and told them.  I suggest you see if the entrants to the fuji tri got this consideration.  As to the money issue, you should know that since we took the event over from Fletcher, I have only covered my gas money to get to the event one year.  This event has personally cost me money.  The first year the event did not cover expenses.  The second year it covered direct race expenses only and the third year it allowed the race directors to cover there personal expenses like gas to get to the event and our meals.  I wanted you to know that you are critisizing race director’s who have paid to put this event on.  We held the swim this year and if we are lucky we may lose only $100.  We put this race on because we love the sport and the people we meet.  That is the only reason. Jason, constructive criticism is appreciated.  I would only ask that you get all the facts.  If we held the race this year it would have cost us approximately $4,000.  Finally, we will still put the event on next year.  We are stuck with our date because if we go much later the sea nettles and jelly fish get bad making the swim impossible.  As a result, look for us the first sunday in june.  We are trying to make the swim like the old race where you cross the river.  This time we may put you between the bridge and the fishing pier.   Hope to see you there.  Andy Weissel

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That’s the impression I got from seeing some of his other races, but the way he handled this situation was less than honourable.  Cancelling a race *5* days before the race is unexcusable.  I just wonder why he never mentioned at Columbia that there was a possibility of this.  He could have at least given an indication… …and learn how to swim in open water in less than a week in order to survive the normally choppy Seaside next weekend.  Sigh…I’m just very disappointed and feel this could have been handled much better.  For such a high-profile event I just expected more.

I gotta disagree with you on the tone of your note.  Robert Vigorito has given more to this sport than I, and possibly yourself, could ever hope to give.   Check the record, then pop off.

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: I’m afraid so.  I just got off the phone with Mr. Vigorito himself, and : he has decided to cancel the race rather than lose a lot of money due to : the low turnout.  He had less than 200 signed up, and needed much more to So, he’s in it for the money.  Lovely.  I understand his need to make some, but he could have warned us of this at Columbia a few weeks ago. I’m HIGHLY disappointed.

Please do not knock Robert Vigorito. Plain and simple -when a race is cancelled, it sucks for everyone.  BUT, if there was any race director in this sport who would have tried his hardest to find a way to put on the race, it would be Vigorito.  The guy loves this sport and he loves the people who compete in it. It is always an honor and a pleasure to compete in any of his great races. He is not in it for the money.  Remember, Mr. Irish wrote that Vigorito needed more entrants JUST TO BREAK EVEN.  There is a huge difference between needing entrants to break even as opposed to needing entrants for a profit. Good luck to all who have had to change all their plans mid-season because of the loss of the Cambridge Triathlon. Re-adjust your goals and channel your frustration and anger into your training.   -Doug "Keep coming back, and though the world may romp across your spine, Let every game’s end find you still upon the battling line; For when the One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name, He writes – not that you won or lost – but how you played the Game."                   -Grantland Rice  "Alumnus Football"

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: Please do not knock Robert Vigorito. Plain and simple -when a race is : cancelled, it sucks for everyone.  BUT, if there was any race director in : this sport who would have tried his hardest to find a way to put on the : race, it would be Vigorito.  The guy loves this sport and he loves the : people who compete in it. It is always an honor and a pleasure to compete : in any of his great races. That’s the impression I got from seeing some of his other races, but the way he handled this situation was less than honourable.  Cancelling a race *5* days before the race is unexcusable.  I just wonder why he never mentioned at Columbia that there was a possibility of this.  He could have at least given an indication… : Good luck to all who have had to change all their plans mid-season because : of the loss of the Cambridge Triathlon. Re-adjust your goals and channel : your frustration and anger into your training.   …and learn how to swim in open water in less than a week in order to survive the normally choppy Seaside next weekend.  Sigh…I’m just very disappointed and feel this could have been handled much better.  For such a high-profile event I just expected more. — Jason Mayfield Arlington, VA http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa 87 Days Until Ironman Canada

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 : I’m afraid so.  I just got off the phone with Mr. Vigorito himself, and  : he has decided to cancel the race rather than lose a lot of money due to  : the low turnout.  He had less than 200 signed up, and needed much more to break even.  So, he’s in it for the money.  Lovely.  I understand his need to make  some, but he could have warned us of this at Columbia a few weeks ago.  I’m HIGHLY disappointed. …snipped the rest,  couldn’t take it anymore….

Jason Mayfield, bite your tongue and wash your mouth (or your keyboard) out with soap.  To think that anyone would be irresponsible enough to accuse Vigorito of being in it for the money. Heres the truth about Vigorito:  Vig has never taken a dime for himself for Columbia or Cambridge.  The only time he makes personal money is when he is hired by another race.  His own races are strictly for the competitors.  Any money that he gets is returned to the racers in the way of goodies, awards, amenities, etc.  Any left over goes to charity. The Cambridge situation this year meant that he would have had to take $4,000 of his own personal savings just to put the race on.  Jason, if you’re so hot for Cambridge, and so willing to point your slimy finger at the Vig, why don’t you step forward and send him $4,000 of your own money so he can put on the race?  I’m tired of flaming your slack butt, so I’ll end this here.  Vig deserves your apology… Now, what’s important is:  Cambridge is not dead.  Cambridge will be back bigger and better in 1997.  There will be some sweeping changes in the race that should ensure good racing for all.   Yes, Seaside and its IQ status probably siphoned off many entrants.  But hell, any real Ironman would have done Cambridge as a tune up anyway.  Look for Cambridge in 1997. |       Ray Plotecia            | |       Image Control           |

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: : I’m afraid so.  I just got off the phone with Mr. Vigorito himself, and : : he has decided to cancel the race rather than lose a lot of money due to : : the low turnout.  He had less than 200 signed up, and needed much more to : So, he’s in it for the money.  Lovely.  I understand his need to make : some, but he could have warned us of this at Columbia a few weeks ago. : I’m HIGHLY disappointed. : : break even.  …… IMO, wanting to break even is perfectly reasonable and does not constitute being "in it for the money".   Who was supposed to pay for the shortfall? Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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: : Please do not knock Robert Vigorito. Plain and simple -when a race is : : cancelled, it sucks for everyone.  BUT, if there was any race director in : : this sport who would have tried his hardest to find a way to put on the : : race, it would be Vigorito.  The guy loves this sport and he loves the : : people who compete in it. It is always an honor and a pleasure to compete : : in any of his great races. : That’s the impression I got from seeing some of his other races, but the : way he handled this situation was less than honourable.  Cancelling a race : *5* days before the race is unexcusable.  I just wonder why he never : mentioned at Columbia that there was a possibility of this.  He could have : at least given an indication…  <snip : disappointed and feel this could have been handled much better.  For such : a high-profile event I just expected more. "Less than honourable… unexcusable"????  Who do you think you are, Jason?  What a way to slam one of the most dedicated and hardest working man in our sport.  You must not have a clue what it takes to put on a race of the quality that Vigorito consistantly does… the hours spent with police and government officials, securing volunteers, sponsors, and all the other "fun" stuff.  This is all done so that hundreds of triathletes can go test themselves and have a great experience.  Nobody feels worse than a RD who has to cancel his event.  For your information, most of us race directors get 60-70% of the entries in the last week before the race, making it exceedingly difficult to gauge whether an event will have enough entrants to pay for the race. How would you have handled it?  Mortgaged your house to cover the debt if necessary?  There are plenty of RDs out there who will put on a cheap, dangerous and shoddy event with your money – you may have been to a few – but Rob is not one of those people.  So when you state "less than honourable" you need to think again!   Tell you what, Jason, why don’t you dedicate yourself for the 9 months to a year that it takes to produce a quality triathlon, commit you personal finance AND liability, and then have a little bit clearer idea what goes into triathlon production.  I used to produce three triathlons each year, but I’m down to one now due to the enormous time required.  After directing five USA Triathlon Regional Championships I learned that in the more competitive events I would always have two or three jack-asses who would make a big deal over what percent solution the Gator-Ade was mixed, or their location on the bike rack, or some other detail which indicated that they had not yet learned to behave themselves in public.  And though most athletes were kind enough to thank me, the jack-asses stayed on my mind also.  The point of this is:  DO NOT INSULT those people who are doing their best to provide you with an outlet for your lifestyle – you may one day have no outlet! -Charlie Crawford

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Ok, just a short post because I feel I’ve been misunderstood. I’m VERY grateful to Vigorito for directing the races he does…he’s done a fantastic job at every one I’ve been to.  He’s definately a great asset to the tri community. What I am/was unhappy with is the way this one race was handled.  I wasn’t notified until just 4 days before the race that it was cancelled.  Since for many people this was a tune-up race I just wish he would have tried to let people know in advance that it was looking grim.  Maybe just an announcement at Columbia?  I just feel 4 days isn’t much notice.  With Seaside planned surely he had to know it was going to be a tough road. The Tri-MD Fuji Tri was postponed this spring (one can only assume) since it compete with Columbia.   Whatever the case, I hope the race does make it next year and I’ll be the first to sign up, because I’ve been impressed with his races.  I just feel this one case was handled poorly.  Heck, everyone has a bad day though! Sorry if I came across wrong.  Broke my own rule of responding when angry and not being 30% nicer than I would be in real life since the internet loses that much.  Guess I should now be… TriLouse  ;-) — Jason Mayfield Arlington, VA http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa 87 Days Until Ironman Canada

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The Tri-MD Fuji Tri was postponed this spring (one can only assume) since it compete with Columbia.

I would guess that the TriMD race was planned to intentionally conflict with Columbia. It is not the first time they seriptiously plan a race just to hurt the other RDs in the area ( i.e. TriMD’s fictional Annapolis Tri.). But lets not get started on Brad’s beef with the rest of the world. TriRef

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<…. : What I am/was unhappy with is the way this one race was handled.  I wasn’t : notified until just 4 days before the race that it was cancelled.  Since : for many people this was a tune-up race I just wish he would have tried to : let people know in advance that it was looking grim.  Maybe just an : announcement at Columbia?  I just feel 4 days isn’t much notice. …. <reasonable statement deleted You’re right, 4 days isn’t much notice.  I’d have been upset also. However, I suspect that, had he made an earlier announcement that cancellation was possible, people would have been even less likely to pre-register. That would have made the crisis worse and cancellation more likely.  I think that the race director was in a no-win situation.   Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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: I’m afraid so.  I just got off the phone with Mr. Vigorito himself, and : he has decided to cancel the race rather than lose a lot of money due to : the low turnout.  He had less than 200 signed up, and needed much more to So, he’s in it for the money.  Lovely.  I understand his need to make some, but he could have warned us of this at Columbia a few weeks ago. I’m HIGHLY disappointed. : break even.  Apparently the crappy winter has reduced the number of : people in the area willing to try a half ironman (wimps), and those who : are game are mostly going to seaside heights.   Ok, who’s going to Seaside Heights and what’s the poop?  I know nothing about it, and now I need to find out lots about it…quickly! : This may not rock the tri world, but it shatters my season.  That race is : perfect for me, and I was all set to win it this year.   Or come close.   : Pretty close.  Anyway, now I’ll have to trudge off to New Jersey to race : the iron crowd.  I hope I can put my heart into it. Tell me about it.  Lost last weekend to taper, now I’ll have a 3 week taper which will kill my race.  I’m upset.  ;-)  Also kills weekends (like next) when I planned to go long for IMC.  Look for me at seaside I suppose… Jason, wondering why Vigorito’s message said the chekcs would be a month in the coming, in VA — Jason Mayfield Arlington, VA http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa 88 Days Until Ironman Canada

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I’m afraid so.  I just got off the phone with Mr. Vigorito himself, and he has decided to cancel the race rather than lose a lot of money due to the low turnout.  He had less than 200 signed up, and needed much more to break even.  Apparently the crappy winter has reduced the number of people in the area willing to try a half ironman (wimps), and those who are game are mostly going to seaside heights.   This may not rock the tri world, but it shatters my season.  That race is perfect for me, and I was all set to win it this year.   Or come close.   Pretty close.  Anyway, now I’ll have to trudge off to New Jersey to race the iron crowd.  I hope I can put my heart into it. Steve Irish

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