Question:

Ken, It is great to see you back out racing at a high standard.  I assume that this is another step on your journey back to IMH? All the best, g

Response:

amen to gordo’s welcome back to ken.   this is great recovery news from one of our rst ranks.   i’m really grateful for this report and all it means. peggy

Response:

OK, now I feel better.   This last week end I flew over to Oahu to participate in the Senior Olympic Triathlon, Cycling Time Trial and Road Race.   Yep a rather ambitious week end. Sat Nov 24 was a sprint distance Triathlon.   It would be my first road tri in over two years since getting injured.   It was a good day for me, one of those we get every now and then.   I woke up feeling good,  entered the water feeling good and finished feeling good and won the Gold medal with a 3 minute lead. Sunday morning at 0700 it was Time Trial time.   A  10 mile event over pretty flat ground,  straight out and back.  Setting was Oahu’s North Shore coastal road . Winds were gusty but mostly head on, on the return leg. The Start was traditional 1 minute interval.   When all was done I had the Gold again with a mere 16 second margin. 30 minutes after the last TT finisher came in we started a Bicycle Road Race.  I barely had time to remove my triathlon bar set-up and install road bars.  There was no time for fine adjustments but I eyeballed the derailleur and it worked just well.  I only had to tweak the adjustment once during the race using the downtube adjuster.   Lots of strategy out on the road and much testing each other for the final sprint   1/4 mile from the finish I fainted an attack,  then let up so that others would pass me by.   A couple did and I immediately set another attach in their draft.  It worked perfectly as I approached from behind the slip stream, shot around fast enough to get them off my draft and it was mine to the finish line for another Gold Medal. The toughest competition was from off Island for the TT and road race but it was local competition during the triathlon with several veteran ironman competitors.   A guy from Dallas looked tough and was.  He was second to me in both the TT and Road Race.   Only seconds in each event. Fun way to return to racing after a long lay-up with injuries. Three races in two days, three Gold Medals and most important was the satisfaction of my recovery from two accidents that broke both my collar bones, a total of ten ribs, and two punctured lungs.  It is amazing what a human body is capable of.  A year ago I though that I would never race again.  I had sold my race bike and cycling gear.   For a while I had little interest in exposing myself to the sport again.  The good Lord did a great job in putting us together and back together after we do our best to ruin his creation. I had serious thoughts of passing on the Road Race.   The thought of mixing it up at speed was intimidating.  I was a bit shy in drafting close but managed with a little safer distance.  Once underway, adrenalin generated by the thrill of riding wheel to wheel took over but never fully eliminated my cautious approach.  I dedicated more than normal attention to anticipating the moves of those around me.  Yep, it was a good week-end, with that and Maui Xterra last month  it’s nice to be back playing again.

Response:

Question:

Hello, I have been developing an online news reader for rec.sport.triathlon. It is a fully functional online version of a MS Outlook etc. I am looking for 5-6 people to beta test it for me. It is live and I am using it to post this message. If anyone is interested please let me know at Thanks….Rob Walters

Response:

We have had a few responses so let me know. Thanks…….Rob Hello, I have been developing an online news reader for rec.sport.triathlon. It is a fully functional online version of a MS Outlook etc. I am looking for 5-6 people to beta test it for me. It is live and I am using it to post this message. If anyone is interested please let me know at Thanks….Rob Walters

Response:

Last test message and we are going to open it up to the beta testers. Hello, I have been developing an online news reader for rec.sport.triathlon. It is a fully functional online version of a MS Outlook etc. I am looking for 5-6 people to beta test it for me. It is live and I am using it to post this message. If anyone is interested please let me know at Thanks….Rob Walters

Response:

Question:

Personally, I think it is an error not to incorporate bricks.  Aside from my long rides, they are the most important workout I do.  I am a relatively week cyclist but a good runner. I think someone posted the TNO board about this and they acknowledged that this is a bit of an oversight.  Still, it is an online resource for people. Personally, I prefer the Tri Training Bible. Cheers, gordo

Response:

this is my first season doing triathlons and everybody recomended the trinewbies page for my trainings. i also had a lot of advice in the importance of brick workouts. is their a reason why the trinewbie trainings don’t incorporate brick workouts? thanks albert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that you might find some ideas on http://www.trinewbies.com You could also get yourself a book on tri training.  My personal favourite is the Triathlete’s Training Bible by Friel. gordo

Response:

Hello, does anyone have a training schedule for 1/2 ironman preparation? thanks! — Todd G.

Response:

I think that you might find some ideas on http://www.trinewbies.com You could also get yourself a book on tri training.  My personal favourite is the Triathlete’s Training Bible by Friel. gordo

Response:

Question:

Well, gee, let’s see – at $59 it’s roughly 25% of the cost of the others, so that’s hardly a revelation.  However, it does put you way more than 25% of the way between no wetsuit (no cost) and one of the others (at $200+) so it is a good value,

My first wetsuit was an obscure brand with short sleeves and legs.  It cost $25 brand new.  I wore it for 5 or 6 races.   It kept me warm in the cold Pacific but the other benefits were negligible.  It was definitely better than nothing. Much thicker, much heavier, much slower.

True of my cheapy as well.   The bouyancy and speed benefits were probably zilch but the comfort of not being cold was a big positive.  See if you can try on some suits (Performance will let you return theirs after trying it on at home.)

I’d say buy at a shop if at all possible.  QR guarantees satisfaction and I returned one to Keith’s that didn’t fit and got the correct size right away.  But I wish I would have taken a drive to a multi=sport shop rather than using mail-order. Larry

Response:

I bought my first wetsuit this spring in preparation for the Escape From Alcatraz tri in San Francisco.  After going around and around on the decision, I finally decided to go with QR.  Based on what I’ve read, they make good suits.  Also, they have a _wide_ range of sizes so that you can get a good fit, which is key.  Finally, they have a very generous return policy.  Memory serving, you have two weeks from the date of purchase to return for a different size or whatever, and it doesn’t matter if you’ve actually worn the suit swimming.  So you can really get a feel for how the suit works for you and fits _in the water_.  I can tell you that I’ve been nothing but pleased with my decision.  My suit fits great, it kept me plenty warm enough for Alcatraz, and the added bouyancy and improved position in the water kick ass. You mentioned doing open water swims in the Chicago area.  If I may, I’d recommend you check out Mission Bay Multisport in Elgin, which is where I got my suit.  They generally have one of every QR size and model in stock, and the sell something like 600 suits a year.  So they know how the suits should fit and can help you figure out what size is likely to work best for you.  Finally, as a bonus, their prices were good. Good luck! Dan

Response:

I totally agree with Brian.  I bought the Performance long john suit three years ago and have used it in many tris.  I’ve been very happy with it. It’s increased my swimming speed by a large margin and its kept me warm in cold water.  I almost feel like I couldn’t sink in it.  For a poor swimmer, like myself, its made a big difference.  I don’t know how it would be for a good swimmer and I’ll admit that I can’t compare it to one of the better brand of suits.  I’ve never worn any other wet suit, so I can’t say that its as good, or almost as good, or no where near as good as whatever, but for the price I don’t see how you can go wrong. Bob in Kalamazoo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The performance suit is not at all in the same class. Well, gee, let’s see – at $59 it’s roughly 25% of the cost of the others, so that’s hardly a revelation.  However, it does put you way more than 25% of the way between no wetsuit (no cost) and one of the others (at $200+) so it is a good value, especially if you’ve never used a wetsuit and want to see how much it’ll help (there are those here with serious swimming experience, Ruth for instance, who have said that wetsuits avail them nothing.) Much thicker, much heavier, much slower. It weighs very little, it’s not that thick, and overall, it provides AT LEAST half the benefit of more expensive suits for 1/4 the cost.  The QR and Ironman are great suits, and certainly better than the Performance, but that incremental superiority comes at a great cost, and the benefit of it may only be significant for the best swimmers.  For instance, if one is not a fast swimmer, which is more cost effective, a $300 wetsuit, or a $59 wetsuit and a TI workshop?  Decide what’s best for you and budget your resources where they’ll do the most good.  See if you can try on some suits (Performance will let you return theirs after trying it on at home.)

Response:

I believe you can’t go wrong with either the QR or Ironman wetsuit. Personally, I think the features associated with the Ironman Stealthsuit are far superior to any other wetsuit on the market. Always go for quality over price, even if it means saving a little extra here and there to pay for it. I own the Stealthsuit and have used it on multiple occasions for training and racing.  The suit is truly remarkable.  Fits like a glove, but not restrictive because of the 3mm layer under the armpits.  The blue panel in the back allows water to keep you from overheating but not get you cold AND reduces the wake behind you!.  The buoyancy factor should be illegal, but I’ll take every advantage I can get!  The quality of the suit is clearly evident in the construction, and it can’t hurt that "THE MAN", Dave Scott, had a hand in its design! Good Luck! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Response:

I believe you can’t go wrong with either the QR or Ironman wetsuit.

I would agree with that. Both are well made. The top of the line Ironman is pretty "trick", but if you can do with out the "latest technology" a lower line model will still kick ass. The performance suit is not at all in the same class. Much thicker, much heavier, much slower. Michael Collins UCLA Bruin Masters 310-607-9956 x105 http://www.spma.net/uclabruins Visit http://www.swiminfo.com for all your swimming needs Books – Videos – Posters – Equipment –

Response:

Keep in mind also the fit.  Long after you have forgotton whether you spent or saved $25 or $50, you will long remember how the suit fits.  A wetsuit is something you will have for years.  Go to a shop that sells both QR and Ironman and try them both on (really don’t bother with Performance, you’ll will find them heavy and hard to swim in…)…  You may find they fit quite differently from each other; at least they did on me, and I would up with the Ironman (by fit, not price) and haven’t regretted it at all.   Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael: Thanks for considering our wetsuit. I just wanted to clarify our price position in the marketplace. You are correct, the "VO2 STEALTH" is the most expensive fullsuit on the market. This suit is designed quite differently than any other swimming wetsuit. However, our other three models (Elite Fullsuit, Elite Long John, and Sprintsuit) are priced very competitively. The suggested retail price on these suits happen to be identical in price with comparable QR models. Please take a look at all of our suits prior to making your decision. I believe you will be very pleased with our Sprintsuit if budget is a concern. Please give me a call if I can help answer any questions. Cheers- Keith Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits Website: www.ironmanwetsuits.com toll free order line: 800-897-6464 international calls: 804-288-6000 I am in the market for a new wetsuit and I have a limited budget but I still want to get the best one I can.  I’ve narrowed it down to 3 manufactures, QR, Ironman, and Performance.   I am a one year triathlete and have never used a wetsuit before.  At the races it seems that about half of the triathletes use QR’s and the other half use Ironman.  Which one is the best? I like the Performance suit for the price.  The QR is the mid priced suit, followed by Ironman which is the most expensive.  I have been open water swimming in Chicago 3-4 times per week so I will need a suit that will last. Any advise on which suit to buy will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Mike

Response:

The performance suit is not at all in the same class.

Well, gee, let’s see – at $59 it’s roughly 25% of the cost of the others, so that’s hardly a revelation.  However, it does put you way more than 25% of the way between no wetsuit (no cost) and one of the others (at $200+) so it is a good value, especially if you’ve never used a wetsuit and want to see how much it’ll help (there are those here with serious swimming experience, Ruth for instance, who have said that wetsuits avail them nothing.)   Much thicker, much heavier, much slower.

It weighs very little, it’s not that thick, and overall, it provides AT LEAST half the benefit of more expensive suits for 1/4 the cost.  The QR and Ironman are great suits, and certainly better than the Performance, but that incremental superiority comes at a great cost, and the benefit of it may only be significant for the best swimmers.  For instance, if one is not a fast swimmer, which is more cost effective, a $300 wetsuit, or a $59 wetsuit and a TI workshop?  Decide what’s best for you and budget your resources where they’ll do the most good.  See if you can try on some suits (Performance will let you return theirs after trying it on at home.)

Response:

I am in the market for a new wetsuit and I have a limited budget but I still want to get the best one I can.  I’ve narrowed it down to 3 manufactures, QR, Ironman, and Performance.   I am a one year triathlete and have never used a wetsuit before.  At the races it seems that about half of the triathletes use QR’s and the other half use Ironman.  Which one is the best? I like the Performance suit for the price.  The QR is the mid priced suit, followed by Ironman which is the most expensive.  I have been open water swimming in Chicago 3-4 times per week so I will need a suit that will last. Any advise on which suit to buy will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Mike

Response:

Mike – I’ve been using the Performance for 2 years now. if you’ve got the money, get a QR or Ironman. The performance is a fine first suit, but it has a number of flaws which will get to you if youre using it more than 2 or 3 times a year. mine chafes my neck like crazy, on the front and back (bodyglide helps). it also has zippers on the ankle that are nice, but seem to make the cuffs loose and floppy when i kick. From what i’ve seen, the QR’s are the best combo of quality and price around, and that’s what i’ll be getting when i have the $$. The Ironman suits look like quality stuff as well, but they’re pricey for me. dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the market for a new wetsuit and I have a limited budget but I still want to get the best one I can.  I’ve narrowed it down to 3 manufactures, QR, Ironman, and Performance.   I am a one year triathlete and have never used a wetsuit before.  At the races it seems that about half of the triathletes use QR’s and the other half use Ironman.  Which one is the best? I like the Performance suit for the price.  The QR is the mid priced suit, followed by Ironman which is the most expensive.  I have been open water swimming in Chicago 3-4 times per week so I will need a suit that will last. Any advise on which suit to buy will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Mike

Response:

Michael: Thanks for considering our wetsuit. I just wanted to clarify our price position in the marketplace. You are correct, the "VO2 STEALTH" is the most expensive fullsuit on the market. This suit is designed quite differently than any other swimming wetsuit. However, our other three models (Elite Fullsuit, Elite Long John, and Sprintsuit) are priced very competitively. The suggested retail price on these suits happen to be identical in price with comparable QR models. Please take a look at all of our suits prior to making your decision. I believe you will be very pleased with our Sprintsuit if budget is a concern. Please give me a call if I can help answer any questions. Cheers- Keith Ironman Triathlon Wetsuits Website: www.ironmanwetsuits.com toll free order line: 800-897-6464 international calls: 804-288-6000

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the market for a new wetsuit and I have a limited budget but I still want to get the best one I can.  I’ve narrowed it down to 3 manufactures, QR, Ironman, and Performance.   I am a one year triathlete and have never used a wetsuit before.  At the races it seems that about half of the triathletes use QR’s and the other half use Ironman.  Which one is the best? I like the Performance suit for the price.  The QR is the mid priced suit, followed by Ironman which is the most expensive.  I have been open water swimming in Chicago 3-4 times per week so I will need a suit that will last. Any advise on which suit to buy will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Mike

Response:

Question:

Thanks to everyone who responded to my problem.  I guess I had depressed the springy metal contact a bit much.  The watch now "beeps" just fine!

Response:

I’ll agree with the oter poster try removing and reinstalling the back. It seems the speaker/beeper is buil into the back of the watch.  If you reversed the cover when you reinstalled it the alarm will not work.  A quick hint would be to test things out by just holding the cover in place before reinstalling the screws. Good luck, Tom

: I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman : Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the : alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix : this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes, : we’ve made sure the alarm symbol is showing.  (I’ve also tried having : the symbol off.  And I’ve tried having the "beep on the hour" symbol : on.  I’ve also made sure the alarm setting and time setting agree with : respect to A.M./P.M.) : Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. : Mary

Response:

try removing the cover and re-installing it. for some reason, most digital watches won’t beep if the cover is not on, or if it’s not put on properly. I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes,

The actual device which emits sound in most digital watches looks like a round disk glued to the inside of the cover. In the body of the watch is usually at least one and sometimes two tiny pieces of copper sticking up that make the proper electrical contact with this beeper when the back is properly installed. If the back is off, the watch will make no sounds but otherwise work correctly. If the back is on and the watch still makes no beeps, remove the back and try cleaning the inside of the back with a cotton swab and a little rubbing alcohol. Art

Response:

I screwed up my alarm the same way while removing a battery, but I know what I did wrong…I forced a metal clip that wasn’t supposed to be forced and ended up disconnecting the speaker.  The display indicates that everything is working fine but …’no sound’ !  It was an old one so I just bought a new watch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman : Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the : alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix : this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes, : we’ve made sure the alarm symbol is showing.  (I’ve also tried having : the symbol off.  And I’ve tried having the "beep on the hour" symbol : on.  I’ve also made sure the alarm setting and time setting agree with : respect to A.M./P.M.) There’s a small spring which contacts the piezoelectric element glued to the back of the watch – make sure that the back is on so that the spring contacts the piezo element.  The back being placed on upside down will make the beeper not work. –Ted. —

Response:

I would call Timex….800-448-4639.  They have been very helpful on my new watch that I bought.  Ben    -**** Posted from Supernews, Discussions Start Here(tm) ****- http://www.supernews.com/ – Host to the the World’s Discussions & Usenet

Response:

: I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman : Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the : alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix : this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes, : we’ve made sure the alarm symbol is showing.  (I’ve also tried having : the symbol off.  And I’ve tried having the "beep on the hour" symbol : on.  I’ve also made sure the alarm setting and time setting agree with : respect to A.M./P.M.) There’s a small spring which contacts the piezoelectric element glued to the back of the watch – make sure that the back is on so that the spring contacts the piezo element.  The back being placed on upside down will make the beeper not work. –Ted. —

Response:

I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes, we’ve made sure the alarm symbol is showing.  (I’ve also tried having the symbol off.  And I’ve tried having the "beep on the hour" symbol on.  I’ve also made sure the alarm setting and time setting agree with respect to A.M./P.M.) Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Mary

Response:

try removing the cover and re-installing it. for some reason, most digital watches won’t beep if the cover is not on, or if it’s not put on properly. — rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope someone here can help me.  My son wears a Timex Ironman Triathlon watch.  The battery ran down, so I changed it — but now the alarm won’t sound!  Does anybody have any idea what I can do to fix this problem?  (The "beep on the hour" doesn’t work, either.)  Yes, we’ve made sure the alarm symbol is showing.  (I’ve also tried having the symbol off.  And I’ve tried having the "beep on the hour" symbol on.  I’ve also made sure the alarm setting and time setting agree with respect to A.M./P.M.) Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Mary

Response:

Question:

Century, Schmentry … how ’bout the DMD (Devil Mountain Double) at 5:00am tomorrow.  I’ve already got the bike part down, but I’m afraid swimming once a week ain’t gonna cut it.  I did a dock to dock open water in Clear Lake last month though! Tri-Nerd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious if anyone’s riding any centuries prior to Wildlfower. I’m gonna get one in this Saturday and see how I manage. Chaz I’ll be doing the Frank Lloyd Wright century through the hills (constantly rolling 100 miles) of Southwestern Wisconsin…based on current forecasts, it looks to be a lovely rain and wind filled day. So much for character builders. Then on Sunday, a 50-12 brick. Chaz

Response:

Hi Chaz! Thanks, I’ll pass that on to the group. We do ride up in Wisconsin starting in June and hit a number of the rolling hills. [ I was just trying to make Tribaby feel better, by de-emphasizing how we MidWesterners are enjoying relatively good weather and getting in some quality miles]. Enjoy the "Escape to Wisconsin"!! Laura (IMC 97, 98) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Tricia, Chaz isn’t the only one <g I’m riding from Barrington IL. up to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin and back on Sunday (106 miles) with our tri group, and it’s our 3rd one this year, (she said evily, knowing that it only added more salt to the wounds of TriBaby). You guys out on the coast have something we Flatlanders don’t have -namely, HILLS !! Figure our flatland centuries = 70 miles on the Coast. Laura Laura, Laura, Laura!    Y’all’s tri-group need to get your buns up into the whole SW Wisconsin area (a la Dodgeville, Platteville, Dubuque). While we don’t have the length of the hills they have out West, this area certainly has hills, and lots of’em. In fact, they are non stop rollers for 100 miles I’m going this Saturday…many of which are 0.5-1 mile 5-8% grades.  I’m quite sure there isn’t a flat mile anywhere in the 100 miles. Gorgeous country, as well. Barrington to Lake Geneva is relatively flat compared to this area, so ya just need to go the other way (NW from Barrington as opposed to NE). Chaz

Response:

Hey Tricia, Chaz isn’t the only one <g I’m riding from Barrington IL. up to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin and back on Sunday (106 miles) with our tri group, and it’s our 3rd one this year, (she said evily, knowing that it only added more salt to the wounds of TriBaby). You guys out on the coast have something we Flatlanders don’t have -namely, HILLS !! Figure our flatland centuries = 70 miles on the Coast. Laura

Laura, Laura, Laura!    Y’all’s tri-group need to get your buns up into the whole SW Wisconsin area (a la Dodgeville, Platteville, Dubuque). While we don’t have the length of the hills they have out West, this area certainly has hills, and lots of’em. In fact, they are non stop rollers for 100 miles I’m going this Saturday…many of which are 0.5-1 mile 5-8% grades.  I’m quite sure there isn’t a flat mile anywhere in the 100 miles. Gorgeous country, as well. Barrington to Lake Geneva is relatively flat compared to this area, so ya just need to go the other way (NW from Barrington as opposed to NE).   Chaz

Response:

Anybody else staying at the Comfort Inn in King City?  Or at the Motel 6 next door?

Best Western King City for me. Joseph C. Foster The Stanley Works "The idea is to create your own future, and not have it shaped by circumstance." – Peter Thomas

Response:

Hey Tricia, Chaz isn’t the only one <g I’m riding from Barrington IL. up to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin and back on Sunday (106 miles) with our tri group, and it’s our 3rd one this year, (she said evily, knowing that it only added more salt to the wounds of TriBaby).  You guys out on the coast have something we Flatlanders don’t have -namely, HILLS !! Figure our flatland centuries = 70 miles on the Coast. Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be doing the Frank Lloyd Wright century through the hills (constantly rolling 100 miles) of Southwestern Wisconsin… Then on Sunday, a 50-12 brick. This post has been brought to you by the letter "S" which also sponsors the words "Sick" and "Scary".  Additional funding has been provided by the letter "J" which stands for "Jealous". Tri-Baby  Hey there! I didn’t say these workouts were gonna be anything but painfully slow (they are), in yucky weather (predicted rain, etc.)…I’m just trying to get one good bike mileage weekend in, then it’s taper down for me. I repeat myself: I’m scared s*less of Wildflower. You’ve at least got the experience thing and we know that counts for a boatload, don’t it? Hang tight. Referring to something you said in another post,  I don’t dare go to WF with a time goal. Just let me finish without injuring myself trudging up a muddy single track on the run. Gulp. Chaz

Response:

 painfully slow (they are), in yucky weather (predicted rain, etc.)…

Chaz, my friend you just discribed training in El Nino! Joe Joseph C. Foster The Stanley Works "The idea is to create your own future, and not have it shaped by circumstance." – Peter Thomas

Response:

p.s.  Anybody else staying at the Comfort Inn in King City?  Or at the Motel 6 next door? Tri-Baby

Keefer’s Inn in King City…free fatty donuts for a nice-pre race  breakfast, hot tub afterwards along with a big steak in their  restaurant… Actually, when I called them a couple of months ago, I told them  I’d prefer a room upstairs in the back facing away from 101.  They  told me everyone else wanted rooms downstairs, so as not to carry  those oh-so-heavy 18 pound bikes up one flight of stairs… -steve b

Response:

Hey there! I didn’t say these workouts were gonna be anything but painfully slow (they are), in yucky weather (predicted rain, etc.)…I’m just trying to get one good bike mileage weekend in, then it’s taper down for me. I repeat myself: I’m scared s*less of Wildflower. You’ve at least got the experience thing and we know that counts for a boatload, don’t it?

In this case, I’m afraid it doesn’t count for beans, let alone boats. *snip* Just let me finish without injuring myself trudging up a muddy single track on the run. Gulp.

Chaz, you are so cute.  Believe me, with the training you’ve been putting in, there is no need for you to be scared s*less of Wildflower.  Listen, this is the voice of experience talking.   If I’m lucky and the weather holds over the next couple of weeks, I’ll be going into Wildflower with 800 miles of riding under my belt since pre-season training began December 1.  That’s probably equal to four weeks of your training mileage; what’s your total right now, 1500?  How about running?  I’ll have something in the neighborhood of 300 miles (as of today I have 276).  What do you have, 500 or so?  How many pounds did you say you’ve lost, 30?  From my record high weight in January I have, I will admit, lost about 12 pounds (although I kind of think a lot of that is water loss from the past two days of exceptionally hard training). Fear not, ChazMan, I think you are more than ready.  With the kind of work you’ve been doing in preparation, you’re gonna finish up Wildflower and go, "Well, now what was the big deal about THAT?" See you in two weeks! p.s.  Anybody else staying at the Comfort Inn in King City?  Or at the Motel 6 next door? Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be doing the Frank Lloyd Wright century through the hills (constantly rolling 100 miles) of Southwestern Wisconsin… Then on Sunday, a 50-12 brick. This post has been brought to you by the letter "S" which also sponsors the words "Sick" and "Scary".  Additional funding has been provided by the letter "J" which stands for "Jealous". Tri-Baby

 Hey there! I didn’t say these workouts were gonna be anything but painfully slow (they are), in yucky weather (predicted rain, etc.)…I’m just trying to get one good bike mileage weekend in, then it’s taper down for me. I repeat myself: I’m scared s*less of Wildflower. You’ve at least got the experience thing and we know that counts for a boatload, don’t it? Hang tight. Referring to something you said in another post,  I don’t dare go to WF with a time goal. Just let me finish without injuring myself trudging up a muddy single track on the run. Gulp. Chaz

Response:

I’ll be doing the Frank Lloyd Wright century through the hills (constantly rolling 100 miles) of Southwestern Wisconsin… Then on Sunday, a 50-12 brick.

This post has been brought to you by the letter "S" which also sponsors the words "Sick" and "Scary".  Additional funding has been provided by the letter "J" which stands for "Jealous". Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

Response:

We did the Tierra Bella Century. Tremendously helpful ! Which one are you doing, Chaz? Just curious if anyone’s riding any centuries prior to Wildlfower. I’m gonna get one in this Saturday and see how I manage. Chaz

I’ll be doing the Frank Lloyd Wright century through the hills (constantly rolling 100 miles) of Southwestern Wisconsin…based on current forecasts, it looks to be a lovely rain and wind filled day. So much for character builders. Then on Sunday, a 50-12 brick. Chaz

Response:

I’m taking a different aproach this year.  I’m emphesizing intensity rather than distance.  I think my strenght and speed have improved.  Guess I’ll find out on the Nasty Grade. Just curious if anyone’s riding any centuries prior to Wildlfower. I’m gonna get one in this Saturday and see how I manage. Chaz

Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

Response:

Just curious if anyone’s riding any centuries prior to Wildlfower. I’m gonna get one in this Saturday and see how I manage. Chaz

Response:

Not doing any centuries; just long hill rides in the 60 mile range. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

Response:

We did the Tierra Bella Century. Tremendously helpful ! Which one are you doing, Chaz? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just curious if anyone’s riding any centuries prior to Wildlfower. I’m gonna get one in this Saturday and see how I manage. Chaz

Response:

Question:

Hello all! I don’t know if this is an acceptable topic for the newsgroup, but here it goes: I have a friend that has been running for 15-20 years and doing triathlons for the last 5 or so.  Well, lately (read:  the past 1 1/2 years) he’s been having trouble with his left leg.  He has been in to all the specialists in the area (Madison, Wisconsin) and had a lot of difficultly getting a diagnosis from anyone.  In fact he has seen so many doctors that he is now very discouraged as to believing what any of them have to say.   Unfortunately he’s not the trusting sort to begin with. Finally he has found a doctor that will tell him what is going on.   Apparently he has a little bit of arthritis starting on his hip and sooner or later (2-5 years) he will need a hip replacement.  In the meantime he can’t workout hard in any sport and has received a prescription with includes ABSOLUTELY NO RUNNING. So basically, he is forced to accept no training and no racing for the rest of his life, even if he does have his hip replaced. Although he is willing to accept this, I’m wondering if he really has to. I thought I’ve heard stories of individuals that have had multiple hip replacement surgeries (sp?) and still race and lead very active lifestyles.  Perhaps I’m wrong on this, but I would think that there has to be someone out there in internet-land that has experience with hip problems.  Hopefully they will be willing to share their experiences with the rest of us, even giving referal information or anything else they deem to be helpful in this situation. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide, and please feel free to contact me if you would like any further information. Happy Racing! Jeff Larson

Response:

Jeffrey B. Larson writes Hello all! I don’t know if this is an acceptable topic for the newsgroup, but   here it goes:

[snippage regarding Jeff's friend who might have to have hip   replacement surgery] Jeff Larson

My father, age 59, had a hip replacement about a decade ago.  Prior   to surgery, he had been a runner with several marathons to his   credit.  He was told "no running" after his hip replacement.  After   a year or two of mental and physical adjustment, he began walking.   And he and I completed the 1991 New York marathon together — me   running; him walking. He subsequently took up swimming and cycling.  Last summer he did   his first triathlon — he walked the "run" portion.  He came in near   the tail end of the race (rode a mountain bike in addition to   walking) but had a blast. Your friend will adapt. Nikki Nikki Robinson Chicago, IL

Response:

Went along to a 5K runners race last night After 1k caught up with someone in the local club who I recognised as a winner from 10 years ago "last time I saw you, you were winning these events – you must be injured" "last year I had a hip replacement – I’m just glad to get round these days" Any way i’m a 45 year slow clydesdale – he’s about 40 The race was –  I overtook him then. he passed at about 2.9k, I passed at 3.5k he came back at 4.2k and wound it up to the line. We crossed together (deliberately) at 24.48. He was pleased cause I had given him a target, I was pleased cause racing improves my speed!! The time was a lot slower than my pb from 10 years ago but the body reflects the predilection for ale! ie 14% heavier and slower. The bottom line is –  he was there racing graeme

Response:

Question:

So far the following RST folks are going to the Great Floridian: Darrin Eisman Terry Stout Jeff Grant Michael Holm Carlos Torres de Navarra Tristan Fielder Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy)

Anybody else showing up?

Response:

: So far the following RST folks are going to the Great Floridian: : Darrin Eisman : Terry Stout : Jeff Grant : Michael Holm : Carlos Torres de Navarra : Tristan Fielder : Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy) : Anybody else showing up? Yep, I’m headed!!! Though I got myself caught up in a bike wreck last week and am nursing a severely bruised shin that’s kept me from running at all, I plan to finish. Coming down from Chapel Hill,NC, and staying at Disney’s Vacation Resort. First Ironman-distance race…. -Jay

Response:

"Torres de Navarra, Carlos" So far the following RST folks are going to the Great Floridian: Darrin Eisman Terry Stout Jeff Grant Michael Holm Carlos Torres de Navarra Tristan Fielder Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy) Anybody else showing up?

<sigh  Not this year, but I’m hoping to do it next. Any comments on someone contemplating doing their *first* IM distance event at 48 (Oops, 49 by then)??? TriBop WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Beginner’s FAQ, Software Download the WebRunner Racing Utilities   http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

Response:

12 DAYS TO GO!!!  READY TO GO!!! So far the following RST folks are going to Clermont to do the Great Floridian or the Sizzler: Darrin Eisman Terry Stout Jeff Grant Michael Holm Carlos Torres de Navarra Tristan Fielder Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy) Thomas Roeher (The Javanator) Joseph Crooker Kristen (sorry I don’t know your last name)

Anybody else showing up? Regards Carlos Coral Gables, Florida

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 12 DAYS TO GO!!!  READY TO GO!!! So far the following RST folks are going to Clermont to do the Great Floridian or the Sizzler: Darrin Eisman Terry Stout Jeff Grant Michael Holm Carlos Torres de Navarra Tristan Fielder Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy) Thomas Roeher (The Javanator) Joseph Crooker Kristen (sorry I don’t know your last name) Anybody else showing up? Regards Carlos Coral Gables, Florida

I will be traveling to the race, as support for Dick Lansing.  I hope to meet all of you! Todd Kearney Swim, Bike, Run

Response:

I am going (Tristan Fiedler) to Clermont.

Response:

So far the following RST folks are going to the Great Floridian: Darrin Eisman Terry Stout Jeff Grant Michael Holm Carlos Torres de Navarra Tristan Fielder Eric Bruce (Tri-Guy) Anybody else showing up?

I’ll be doing the Sizzler and then working the Mad Dog aid station on the far side of the lake and cheering on all RSTers. Y’all have done the training and I know will have a great time and be rewarded with a great feeling of achievement. Good luck to all and especially Terry Stout who I predict is going to PR. Cheers, Bernie Sher

Response:

Question:

A friend and I are looking for padded swimsuits to do Wildflower, but both the local triahlon shops have closed. I checked the QR page, but did not see any. Any ideas? Can I get a number for a mail order company? Or am I going to have to drive to San Diego’s Fleet Feet? Thanks for any help, Cesar Valverde

Response:

A friend and I are looking for padded swimsuits to do Wildflower, but both the local triahlon shops have closed.

Try Rip ‘N Hammer out of Toronto, Canada at 1-800-663-6757. That number is the one that works here in Western Canada. It may be that you must use another number from your location. If so, try 1-800-555-1212 and get the appropriate 1-800 listing from that info service, quoting Rip ‘N Hammer. See you at Wildflower.

Response:

Cesar Valverde  writes: A friend and I are looking for padded swimsuits to do Wildflower, but both the local triahlon shops have closed. I checked the QR page, but did not see any. Any ideas? Can I get a number for a mail order company? Or am I going to have to drive to San Diego’s Fleet Feet? Thanks for any help, Cesar Valverde

        Try Colorado Cyclist.  They have one advertised in their catalog (Dave Scott I think).  Their Number is: 1-800-688-8600.

Response:

You might also try Discipline Marketing of Coconut Grove, Fl, they produce excellent male & female padded swim gear for triathlon. Gordon Riley – Cambridge, England. — Gordon Riley, Cambridge, England Voice 01223 290473 Fax   01223 290138

Response:

Question:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Hewlett Packard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets :be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. oes it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A :few events during the race could negate any advantages that you :may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything :can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? As an argument like this, everything is wrong with tradition, because it is unfair. Slavery was traditional, still a big part of the US went to war to abolish it… And the point about " who cares about those two minutes" is invalid as well. Since drafting is not too heavily controlled in Kona, two minutes, especially out front, can make the difference between riding smoothly in an almost legal group (ie the one including M.A.) or hanging around lonely in no-man’s-land.

C’mon there’s still a difference here.  Yes, SOME traditions didn’t make sense (your examples above) but some are OK.  Your example is not really relevant because the pros are all in the same general area anyway (from what was described).  The "problem" was with the numbers 200+ and that is where my arguement comes into play. For the general population (not pros) there is a lot more variablitiy in performance.  Even with the pros you can see the top ones drop. I still say, in the big scheme of things, it’s not that big of a deal.  I’d rather spend the energy complaining about drafting then rack position. John (oops, now I’m late for a meeting…) K.

Response:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany

: :—-  transition discussion deleted — : : One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" : and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiat : between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top : 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers. : :I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets :be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. oes it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A :few events during the race could negate any advantages that you :may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything :can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? As an argument like this, everything is wrong with tradition, because it is unfair. Slavery was traditional, still a big part of the US went to war to abolish it… And the point about " who cares about those two minutes" is invalid as well. Since drafting is not too heavily controlled in Kona, two minutes, especially out front, can make the difference between riding smoothly in an almost legal group (ie the one including M.A.) or hanging around lonely in no-man’s-land. : :John (whatever happened to just showing up and racing?) K. —                             Ulrich Porsch             Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles  

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets :be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. oes it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A :few events during the race could negate any advantages that you :may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything :can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? As an argument like this, everything is wrong with tradition, because it is unfair. Slavery was traditional, still a big part of the US went to war to abolish it… And the point about " who cares about those two minutes" is invalid as well. Since drafting is not too heavily controlled in Kona, two minutes, especially out front, can make the difference between riding smoothly in an almost legal group (ie the one including M.A.) or hanging around lonely in no-man’s-land.

C’mon there’s still a difference here.  Yes, SOME traditions didn’t make sense (your examples above) but some are OK.  Your example is not really relevant because the pros are all in the same general area anyway (from what was described).  The "problem" was with the numbers 200+ and that is where my arguement comes into play. For the general population (not pros) there is a lot more variablitiy in performance.  Even with the pros you can see the top ones drop. I still say, in the big scheme of things, it’s not that big of a deal.  I’d rather spend the energy complaining about drafting then rack position. John (oops, now I’m late for a meeting…) K.

Response:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Hewlett-Packard Another note in that same light, how many top positions have been lost by two or less minutes (the probable time differential). Agreed it would be nice to have it as fair as possible, but it doesn’t look like race winners are being made by their transition positions. Just my $0.02…    …jon…

Response:

: :—-  transition discussion deleted — : : One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" : and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiate : between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top : 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers. : :I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets :be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. oes it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A :few events during the race could negate any advantages that you :may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything :can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? As an argument like this, everything is wrong with tradition, because it is unfair. Slavery was traditional, still a big part of the US went to war to abolish it… And the point about " who cares about those two minutes" is invalid as well. Since drafting is not too heavily controlled in Kona, two minutes, especially out front, can make the difference between riding smoothly in an almost legal group (ie the one including M.A.) or hanging around lonely in no-man’s-land. : :John (whatever happened to just showing up and racing?) K. —                             Ulrich Porsch             Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles  

Response:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Hewlett Packard

—-  transition discussion deleted — One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiate between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers.

I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. Does it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A few events during the race could negate any advantages that you may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? John (whatever happened to just showing up and racing?) K.

Response:

:Ulrich Porsch writes:

: :[ complaining about race numbers assigned to Zack and Sabatachuss   : back in '89 and '93 deleted <<] : :I spent a long time talking to Sharon Ackles, the Race Director for the :Gatorade Ironman on the phone yesterday to make sure of my facts.  Here’s the :scoop: : [Explanation of numbering in Hawaii deleted, amounts to: you get a top-100 number (which means fast transition #1), if you've been in the top-100 the year before or if you are a professional and apply for it] Thanks for the first-hand information. As for "the professionals get a top-100 number if they apply for it", it didn’t work like this with Olaf in 93. At least that’s what he told me. One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiate between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers. Better still, make a fair transition area, see below. :

::fair to everybody and does NOT involve heavy-construction equipment, ::I’d like to hear it. :

:And here it is. Change the placement of the exit of the changing tent. :To be precise, make it compulsory (by creating a 2m wide chunnel, there :is room for that on the pier, I checked it myself!) for EVERYONE :to run up to the last bike rack (number 15??) and then have :them run for their bikes at the other side of said chunnel. :So everyone’s way has the same length. : :Um, this doesn’t make any sense to me.  Perhaps you should try again.  If :everyone runs to the last bike rack, then the pros have to run twice as far :as the last-bike-rackers!  The ONLY way to make everyone run the same distance :is to put the entrance to the transition area :at one end of the transition area :and put the exit at the OTHER end of the transition area, and make it a rule :that everyone has to walk their bikes while in the transition area.   : That is exactly what I meant, and this is exactly how transition areas in Europe are done – even the Nice triathlon does it in the meantime, after years of giving Yves Cordier (local hero) number 51, which has the shortest possible transition path. :Now, at Kailua-Kona, the entrance to the transition area is determined by :the boat ramp at the pier — can’t move that.  The other end of the transition :area is sticking out in the middle of the ocean, without that heavy :construction equipment I alluded to before, repositioning the exit is not going :to happen.   :I still cannot visualize a more fair approach than the one already :adopted. : Now this might be wrong, after all it’s two years ago, but anyway. I’d propose this solution (everyone run to the far end and walk the bikes to a line at the other end of the transition): have the exit of the transition tent in the direction of the far end. There is a path already for the high-numbered ones to run for their bike. Install a fence or similar to prevent the runners turning left before the last bike. This fence would be the only additional piece of equipment needed, and I wouldn’t call this heavy construction. Of course, this would marginally lower the probability of a course record. But you could always have more media cars for Mark Allen to draft with. [flame suit on] bye for now Ulrich :n Europe, it is compulsory for transition areas ensure that :everyone’s way has the same length. Doesn’t this rule exist :in America? : :Not to my knowledge, but it sounds like a good rule to adopt.  At Wildflower :they number you according to alphabet and age, and I’m getting damn sick of :a 1/2 mile transition from the swim to the bike every year!  At least at Hawaii :they change the ordering of the letters from year to year! : :tony : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : —                             Ulrich Porsch             Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles  

Response:

—-  transition discussion deleted — One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiate between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers.

I’m sorry but I had to say something here.  No offense, but lets be realistic, it’s a 9+ hour race for 90 percent of the people. Does it really matter that much where your bike is parked? A few events during the race could negate any advantages that you may have had.  Let’s look at the big picture here, everything can’t be perfect.  And, what’s so wrong with tradition? John (whatever happened to just showing up and racing?) K.

Response:

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany :Ulrich Porsch writes:

: :[ complaining about race numbers assigned to Zack and Sabatachuss   : back in '89 and '93 deleted <<] : :I spent a long time talking to Sharon Ackles, the Race Director for the :Gatorade Ironman on the phone yesterday to make sure of my facts.  Here’s the :scoop: : [Explanation of numbering in Hawaii deleted, amounts to: you get a top-100 number (which means fast transition #1), if you've been in the top-100 the year before or if you are a professional and apply for it] Thanks for the first-hand information. As for "the professionals get a top-100 number if they apply for it", it didn’t work like this with Olaf in 93. At least that’s what he told me. One thought: Obviously the distinction here is made between "professional" and "age-group", a defendable stance. Another idea would be to differentiate between "fast" and "not quite so fast", for example seed the overall top 10 finishers of the Ironman qualifiers for the first 200 or so numbers. Better still, make a fair transition area, see below. :

::fair to everybody and does NOT involve heavy-construction equipment, ::I’d like to hear it. :

:And here it is. Change the placement of the exit of the changing tent. :To be precise, make it compulsory (by creating a 2m wide chunnel, there :is room for that on the pier, I checked it myself!) for EVERYONE :to run up to the last bike rack (number 15??) and then have :them run for their bikes at the other side of said chunnel. :So everyone’s way has the same length. : :Um, this doesn’t make any sense to me.  Perhaps you should try again.  If :everyone runs to the last bike rack, then the pros have to run twice as far :as the last-bike-rackers!  The ONLY way to make everyone run the same distanc :is to put the entrance to the transition area :at one end of the transition area :and put the exit at the OTHER end of the transition area, and make it a rule :that everyone has to walk their bikes while in the transition area.   : That is exactly what I meant, and this is exactly how transition areas in Europe are done – even the Nice triathlon does it in the meantime, after years of giving Yves Cordier (local hero) number 51, which has the shortest possible transition path. :Now, at Kailua-Kona, the entrance to the transition area is determined by :the boat ramp at the pier — can’t move that.  The other end of the transitio :area is sticking out in the middle of the ocean, without that heavy :construction equipment I alluded to before, repositioning the exit is not goi ng :to happen.   :I still cannot visualize a more fair approach than the one already :adopted. : Now this might be wrong, after all it’s two years ago, but anyway. I’d propose this solution (everyone run to the far end and walk the bikes to a line at the other end of the transition): have the exit of the transition tent in the direction of the far end. There is a path already for the high-numbered ones to run for their bike. Install a fence or similar to prevent the runners turning left before the last bike. This fence would be the only additional piece of equipment needed, and I wouldn’t call this heavy construction. Of course, this would marginally lower the probability of a course record. But you could always have more media cars for Mark Allen to draft with. [flame suit on] bye for now Ulrich :n Europe, it is compulsory for transition areas ensure that :everyone’s way has the same length. Doesn’t this rule exist :in America? : :Not to my knowledge, but it sounds like a good rule to adopt.  At Wildflower :they number you according to alphabet and age, and I’m getting damn sick of :a 1/2 mile transition from the swim to the bike every year!  At least at Hawa ii :they change the ordering of the letters from year to year! : :tony : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : —                             Ulrich Porsch             Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles  

Response:

Another note in that same light, how many top positions have been lost by two or less minutes (the probable time differential). Agreed it would be nice to have it as fair as possible, but it doesn’t look like race winners are being made by their transition positions. Just my $0.02…    …jon…

Response:

Ulrich Porsch writes:

[ complaining about race numbers assigned to Zack and Sabatachuss     back in '89 and '93 deleted <<] I spent a long time talking to Sharon Ackles, the Race Director for the Gatorade Ironman on the phone yesterday to make sure of my facts.  Here’s the scoop: If you finish in the top-100 at Hawaii, you AUTOMATICALLY get assigned a number in the top-100 the following year.  This numbering could be considered advantageous by professional triathletes because the top 100 numbers are all accomodated on the first bike rack.  Ms. Ackles says there is typically a 30-40% attrition rate from one year to the next at Hawaii, which means that she has approximately 30-40 slots in which people can be "moved up" to the first bike rack each year. The FIRST folks to get that consideration are the pros.  ALL Hawaii Ironman applications have a section on the first page which MUST be filled out; in that section you MUST declare if you are a pro (racing for prize money) or an amateur (racing for "fun" — the "fun" is my words, not WTC’s). So, when Ulrich writes… first-timers, even if they won their non-american qualifiers (like Zaeck in 89) are assigned ridiculusly high numbers with slow transitions. Or ask Olaf Sabatschuss about his 93 race number, where he finished tenth (race number 1195 or such), one minute behind the eigth, who had a two-digit race number. This is affecting the professional’s job, so where’s your point?

So, one possibility is that Zack and Sabatschuss didn’t mark the PRO box.  If they did not, and, as you say it was there first time there, then they were treated just like every other amateur.  Maybe you could check with Olaf and Jurgen and see how they filled out their applications that year?  Of course, now that they are finishing in the top 10, it’s a moot point! BUT, for other competitive, first-time pros who are not happy with their position on the Kona pier, Ms. Ackles tells me there is a mechanism whereby the individual may write a letter to Gatorade Ironman requesting a spot in the top 100.  Now, she also said this is ONLY for pros — so don’t bother with this unless you are a card-carrying (literally) professional triathlete.  In my phone conversation with her she related several specific examples where individuals were "moved up" to a spot on the first bike rack due to the athlete’s request.   Remember that the "discretionary" number assignments are dictated by     availability (i.e. it’s possible to fill up all 100 slots in a given year).   Furthermore, number assignments are left to the discretion of the Gatorade Ironman folks (as it should be).  The point is, there is a mechanism in place to correct any inequities.  So, I contend that even if Zack and Sabatschuss weren’t happy with their slots, they (given availability) could have gotten themselves moved if they had asked…. That’s my point. :fair to everybody and does NOT involve heavy-construction equipment, :I’d like to hear it. And here it is. Change the placement of the exit of the changing tent. To be precise, make it compulsory (by creating a 2m wide chunnel, there is room for that on the pier, I checked it myself!) for EVERYONE to run up to the last bike rack (number 15??) and then have them run for their bikes at the other side of said chunnel. So everyone’s way has the same length.

Um, this doesn’t make any sense to me.  Perhaps you should try again.  If everyone runs to the last bike rack, then the pros have to run twice as far as the last-bike-rackers!  The ONLY way to make everyone run the same distance is to put the entrance to the transition area at one end of the transition area and put the exit at the OTHER end of the transition area, and make it a rule that everyone has to walk their bikes while in the transition area.   Now, at Kailua-Kona, the entrance to the transition area is determined by the boat ramp at the pier — can’t move that.  The other end of the transition area is sticking out in the middle of the ocean, without that heavy construction equipment I alluded to before, repositioning the exit is not going to happen.  I still cannot visualize a more fair approach than the one already adopted. n Europe, it is compulsory for transition areas ensure that everyone’s way has the same length. Doesn’t this rule exist in America?

Not to my knowledge, but it sounds like a good rule to adopt.  At Wildflower they number you according to alphabet and age, and I’m getting damn sick of a 1/2 mile transition from the swim to the bike every year!  At least at Hawaii they change the ordering of the letters from year to year! tony

Response: