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Here in the Tri-cities (2 hours away) we use sleeveless longjohns in the columbia river. Also there is a great half ironman in spokane in August, in a warm lake. Again sleeveless is Ok. Some guys use full suits and like them fine too. Just got to try both if you have access.  Jim

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I moved to Spokane last August and plan to race this season.  What are the lake temps like for the Northwest series of races?  Do you recommend a fullsuit with sleeves or will a sleeveless but full legs do? Thanks in advance! johnwalt

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[This followup was posted to rec.sport.triathlon and a copy was sent to the cited author.] says… I moved to Spokane last August and plan to race this season.  What are the lake temps like for the Northwest series of races?  Do you recommend a fullsuit with sleeves or will a sleeveless but full legs do? Thanks in advance! johnwalt

If you race in early or late season, you will like a full suit. If you are a midsummer only racer (or genetically related to polar bears) you will like a farmer john. I live in Seattle, and have had a full suit for about 5 years.  I have been in races with guys in farmer johns that got frozen where I was fine.   In warmer water, I swim without a suit, but when they are legal (which is at every Washington race I have ever done) I will wear my full suit. Rob — Rob Blomquist Seattle, WA

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Hi, I am currently looking at buying a new bike which I want to use for both training and racing. I mainly do sprint distances with the max cycle distance being 40Km, may max training distance would be 50-60km rides. I have been doing the rounds of the LSB’s looking at the different types of bikes including QR’s, Giant’s, Centurion, etc, etc. Does anyone own, or has anyone ridden the Giant MCR or Giant TCR1 or 2. What are your thoughts on these bikes, and would it suit me in relation to the type of riding I am doing. Any shared thoughts would be greatly appreciated, Etienne.

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I am in the same boat…same distances but focusing more on duo’s (but some tris).  I was debating between a new "road" bike or tri bike.  I opted for the tri bike and decided to use my old road bike for some training and group rides.  Being as budget was tight I did not have a lot of options but settled in on the QR kilo.  I am getting the bike on friday so I can’t give you any opinons on the ride. But I can say that the company (QR) was great to deal with.  Besides they have a 30 day return policy. So I figure if I end up not liking it at least I am not stuck with it. Hope this helps Ted

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<snipsnip I am currently looking at buying a new bike which I want to use for both training and racing. I mainly do sprint distances with the max cycle distance being 40Km, may max training distance would be 50-60km rides.

<snipsnip Does anyone own, or has anyone ridden the Giant MCR or Giant TCR1 or 2. What are your thoughts on these bikes, and would it suit me in relation to the type of riding I am doing.

Etienne, I own a TCR-2 myself, using it for sprint and OD tris, duathlons and regular rides (up to 150k). Works absolutely fine for me. There’s one comment I’ve picked up in Fiets magazine this month, concerning the really tall guys: when you’re over 190 cm (6f4" that is) you’re likely not to fit on a TCR (not even a size L), let alone an MCR (only size M available). Cheers. JeeWee

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I own a Giant TCR 2R and really like it.  The bike is  light and responsive, it has a tight rear triangle and therefore climbs very well.  I like the aero fork and seatpost, but do not like the adjustabel stem.  It is hard to tighten fully and has a little too much flex.  If you go with this bike, I would find a regular stem to put on it once you have the right geometry set.  You should decide whether you want a road or tri bike first.  The TCR is a road bike but I have noticed that it is a lot more stable than my old Cannondale when on the aero bars.  I really like the bike, it is a lot of bike for the dollar. Hope this helps, Alex Hasse

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I bought my wife the 1998 version.  The 1999 version is being marketed as the TEAM ONCE replica. Here is the bottom line – GIANT bikes have an alsorand reputation with hardcore bike geeks, but this bike seems to break that mold.  It is a FANTASTIC ride.  You will hear competing LBS claim that the frame is "not legal for international competition – or has been outlawed or some other kind of crap, as they try to sell you a lesser quality Cannondale for more money. The TCR built up is right at 20 lbs or less. the way you are paying that 40% for the name – not the technology).  The frame on the GIANT is made out of the same material that only comes available on the high end Cannondales.  I’m sure I have the bike geeks just seething by now.  "How DARE you even *try* to compare my Cannondale to a GIANT – how lewd" Fit, comfort, componetry that comes standard, carbon fiber aero fork, carbon fiber bladed seat post, aluminum matrix CU-92 frame, oh and PRICE – GIANT is the better choice, hands down in my  opinion (this is the operative word – OPINION).  But don’t trust me – look at the hill profile section of this months TRIATHLETE magazine. If I am not mistaken, Lazarote is considered by most to be the most challenging bike leg of all the IM sanctioned events, if you are not a strong cyclist – stay home.  Look at the picture and see what that guy is riding. By the way – I ride a Softride Powerwing 650 (which is for sale right now   have to, don’t want to), and I absolutely LOVE it- but a beam bike is not for everybody. I am a computer consultant recruiter. I have NO ties to any bike shop or product line. My testimony comes from owning the product and LOTS of comparison rides. If you must have the Cannondale name on you bike, I suggest you buy the Giant, paint it & buy a $5 Cannondale decal.  You will save hundreds, have a better bike, and the bike geeks won’t sneer at you as you pass them.  Hey better yet, keep the GIANT decal and make them feel like idiots for spending all that extra money – as you pass them. Andrew "I like Cannondales too, I just hate the price and the elitest attitudes" West

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I am currently looking at buying a new bike which I want to use for both training and racing. I mainly do sprint distances with the max cycle distance being 40Km, may max training distance would be 50-60km rides. I have been doing the rounds of the LSB’s looking at the different types of bikes including QR’s, Giant’s, Centurion, etc, etc. Does anyone own, or has anyone ridden the Giant MCR or Giant TCR1 or 2. What are your thoughts on these bikes, and would it suit me in relation to the type of riding I am doing. Any shared thoughts would be greatly appreciated, Etienne.

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A while ago I read some great articles on heartrate.  All sorts of stuff about levels I, II, III, and IV.  It said stuff about what the percentages of max heart rate were for each level of intensity and what kind of training each was used for.  Lots of good and helpful heartrate information.  As captain of my cross country team next year I’ve been telling the guys all about this HRM stuff.  I know the basics of training at different intensities for different distances and for different amounts of time.  I would like to go back and review all of the info that I had read to get the specifics of it to design workouts.  Most of us are getting HRM’s (most being 3 out of the 5 that actually serious about running and are going to be training with me this summer) so it would be good to have the specifics of training with a HRM.  Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know???  I can’t seem to find all the stuff that I read anywhere…. looked through all of my old Transition Times, Triathlete, Inside Triathlon and my personal athletic library and can’t find it anywhere!!! I know you probably don’t know the exact source where I read about this stuff but any info would help.  Any help please?? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III

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Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III

Sal, I’m going to pass on the same information I did to one of you previous postings. See Sally Edwards books. She is the formost expert in training with the heart rate monitors. She has a degree in exercise physiology and is a world ranked endurance athlete at age 50! It sounds as though you are ready for her book Heart Zone Training (10.95). Her newest book, Smart Heart (24.95) isn’t currently listed on her website http://www.heartzone.com. These books are available at major books stores or directly from her website. Don’t forget about proper training plans. If you are cross country runners, you are in the offseason and training should be geared to that period until preseason begins. You want to peak at the appropriate time, not before the season ends. Bill Stainbrook physical educator, endurance athlete and coach

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Try our web site at http://www.pursuit-performance.com.au I’m sure you will find what you are looking for… Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know of any good HRM resources or info that would contain what I want to know? Thanks in Advance,                 Salvador Santolcuito III Sal, I’m going to pass on the same information I did to one of you previous postings. See Sally Edwards books. She is the formost expert in training with the heart rate monitors. She has a degree in exercise physiology and is a world ranked endurance athlete at age 50! It sounds as though you are ready for her book Heart Zone Training (10.95). Her newest book, Smart Heart (24.95) isn’t currently listed on her website http://www.heartzone.com. These books are available at major books stores or directly from her website. Don’t forget about proper training plans. If you are cross country runners, you are in the offseason and training should be geared to that period until preseason begins. You want to peak at the appropriate time, not before the season ends. Bill Stainbrook physical educator, endurance athlete and coach

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations. The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites? Thanks in advance, Melinda

I have a pair of Sidi Triathlon shoes and I like them alot.  They are high quality, lightweight, and easy to get into.  They are also a little more expensive than $100 though. My wife has a pair of Shimano road shoes that she races in and really likes. I am sorry but I don’t recall exactly what they are called.   They have one strap which weaves back and forth over the shoe for a snug fit. There is also only one strap to tighten.  My wife also said that they are very easy to get into.  Best of all I think they only cost something like $80. Good luck

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It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations.   The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites?   Thanks in advance, Melinda

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I bought a pair of SIDI T-1 Tri shoes (97 model) from Steve’s about a month ago. Looks like he still has them on special. They were $130 but worth every penny.  They are unbelievably light!  They’re also very easy to get in and out of, and the velcro straps open out.  My old shoes had the straps opening in and developed an attraction for my chain as I pedaled into T2. It’s time for me to get a new pair of shoes for my road bike, and I’m looking for some recommendations. The shoes need to be SPD compatible, and I’d like to be able to walk across a tile floor without sliding. I’d also like them to be easy off/on, i.e., not lace ups. Something around $100 or less, but I know that might not be realistic. Anybody have any favorites? Thanks in advance, Melinda

– Middleton, WI                          http://www.midplains.net/~spev       I took an IQ test and the results were negative.

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YES. My advice is go and do it. I doubt you will be sorry and you may be pleasantly surprised. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Good Luck, Ken

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I am thinking of doing my first triathlon.  After just completing the swimming section of the Edinborough Triathlon, is it time for my first Triathlon?  The Elmira, NY triathlon is coming up Aug. 3rd.  1/2 mile swimming, 18 mile bike, 5 mile run.  I just jumped on a bike for the first time in ages for a 20 mile hike.  The shoe locks on the pedals scared me to death.  Anyone have advice on training for this? I am a 36 year old female.  

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        Does anybody know more about these off-road triathalons?  I’m especially curious about any that would be here around NewEngland. Philip Cootey University of Massachusetts Lowell Lowell, Massachusetts – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike? : : Just curious, : : Ryan : Ryan, The "Race to the Face" up Cannon Mountain in New Hampshire, the first Saturday in August, is MTB/S/R. The official race name is the Top Notch Triathlon. Heide Estes New York University

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike?

Didn’t see the original post, so I don’t know where Augie is BUT for those of you in the Eastern US check out www.triath.com.  This is the home page for Triathlantic, an org that promotes traditional triathlons, road and mountian bike biathlons.  I have done both the latter – excellent organization, free lunch, T-shirts, prizes for probably about 1/3 of the entrants, etc. A great day racing.  He has events from Vermont down through N. Carolina. Check it out! (P.S. if you don’t like running but know someone who does you can form a relay team!)

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Are you from the Houston area? Noticed the "flash.net" ISP…looking for an interested (AMATEUR) training partner around here… Andrew

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Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike? Just curious, Ryan

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Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike? Just curious, Ryan

Here in PA, Precision Sports usually puts on an Off-Road biathlon…where you have to run the same course as you ride the MTB…it’s quite a challenge…They usually have a series of 3 races a year. reply-to address is incorrect.  Please send any Greg Spath (Wease on IRC)     |  SKYDIVING http://www.epix.net/~gspath   |  OS/2 and IRC

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*most* of the multi-sport races I’ve seen with MTB are duathlons, but there are a couple tris. The race in Evergreen, CO was a good one, but the format changed this year… bummer. There are a couple good web sites to check for multi-sport stuff: — Sorry I have had to obsfucate my address, I am getting way too much junk mail from newsgroup SSSSSSSpammers! * Use of my email address regulated by * *  US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B)  * Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="SportsShare.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="SportsShare.htm" Content-Base: "file:///C|/netscape3/SportsShare.htm" <BASE HREF="file:///C|/netscape3/SportsShare.htm" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" <HTML <HEAD    <TITLE</TITLE    <META NAME="Author" CONTENT="Dan Baker"    <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; I) [Netscape]" </HEAD <BODY <H2Sports</H2 <DL <H3Event listings</H3 <DL <DT<A HREF="http://www.event-horizon.com/events/page2.htm" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"EventHorizonEventPage</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.event-horizon.com/cgi-win/events/search/es.exe/tri/CO" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"list:ColoradoTriathlons</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.maraceguide.com" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"raceguide</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"runningracesite</A </DT </DL <H3ezines</H3 <DL <DT<A HREF="http://www.e-values.com/jsttriit.htm" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"transitiontimesmagazine</A </DT <DT<A HREF="../www.triathleteMag.com" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"TriathleteMagazine</A </DT </DL <H3Groups</H3 <DL <DT<A HREF="http://www.bikeworld.com" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"bikeworldhp</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Evinson/cycling.html" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"CyclingRelatedPagesOn WWW</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.athlete.com/" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"InternetAthlete</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.voicenet.com/~mudboy" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"mudboy</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html" ADD_DATE="850842943" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"TheTriathlete’sWeb- The Source For Triathlon Info!</A </DT <DT<A HREF="../www.trinfo.com/trifed/" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"tri-fed</A </DT </DL <H3Training info</H3 <DL <DT<A HREF="http://www.webcom.com/rooworld/fit_set-up.html" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"bikefit</A </DT <DT<A HREF="http://www.krs.hia.no/~stephens/index.html" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"physiologyofmaster’sathletes</A </DT <P<A HREF="http://www.sfo.com/~hulaman/tritips.html" ADD_DATE="850768798" LAST_VISIT="0" LAST_MODIFIED="0"triracetips</A </P </DL </DL </BODY </HTML

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There was one last summer in Honolulu.  It was fairly well attended. — KRD "Leap boldly.  You can’t cross a chasm in two easy steps." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike? Just curious, Ryan

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Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike?

Killington used to run a Memorial Day Triathlon Slide,Ride,Stride – ski a mogul run down Superstar, mtb 6 miles, run 3 miles.

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There’s one in Texas, around Austin that has a MTB segment.  I haven’t done it but I hear it is a pretty rough one.  You may try to find a link to Texas Triathalons. Sorry I don’t have a better link but I’m now going off of memory and that is subject to RAM damage more than my PC…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike? Killington used to run a Memorial Day Triathlon Slide,Ride,Stride – ski a mogul run down Superstar, mtb 6 miles, run 3 miles.

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike? : Just curious, : Ryan Sure there are.  Not many, but they exist.  Try looking in a mountain bike magazine or Triathlete mag. —

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike?

There is one in Washington in the summer in the Methow Valley. There is also a MTB duathlon in British Columbia in the fall. Rob — No Spam is good Spam. Stop bulk email now! Ironman Canada 1998 Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www.accessone.com/~robb

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In July there is a race in Oregon where the first leg is a kayak course, then an off-road mountain bike race, then a 10 k trail run.  I believe it’s in Mill City, OR, though i’ve never personally done it.  Let us know if you find it, and good luck.

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike? : Just curious, : Ryan

Sunday June 1st, the Town of Ontario (NY), Terbo Tri- Sports and the Rochester Area Triathletes are hosting the 2nd Annual ‘Down and Dirty’ Mountain Bike Tri.  1/4 mile swim in calm, fresh water quarry, 8 mile Mountain bike, 5K run on trails and roads. For more information, check out the RATs homepage: http://www2.rpa.net/~rats Augie Calabrese

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Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they mountain/trail bike? Just curious, Ryan

Ryan,  The Nanahala Outdoor Center in Bryson City, NC is sponsoring a triathlon including a 12 mile mountain bike ride.  The other two legs are a 5 mile trail run and a 5 mile flat water paddle (handicapped by boat type).  It is going to be held the weekend of May 10 and 11.  You can compete either as a team or as an individual.  Call the NOC in Bryson City for information. Donald Butler, Charlotte, NC

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Hi Group, Don’t forget AquaTerra, on Maui a week after IMH.  I got to watch it last year, it was a great race.   Brian Stack Coach Manatee Masters Oakland CA USA

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike? : : Just curious, : : Ryan : Ryan, The "Race to the Face" up Cannon Mountain in New Hampshire, the first Saturday in August, is MTB/S/R. The official race name is the Top Notch Triathlon. Heide Estes New York University

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Are there Triathlons that are "on road" but participants use off road bikes with slicks? I realize that the top dogs will have decent bikes and all the whistles and bells, but for a newbie with a student’s budget…that owns a decent ATB-can it be done? Is it done? Or are you laughed off the starting line? Thanks, Andrew

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Are there Triathlons that are "on road" but participants use off road bikes with slicks? I realize that the top dogs will have decent bikes and all the whistles and bells, but for a newbie with a student’s budget…that owns a decent ATB-can it be done? Is it done? Or are you laughed off the starting line? Thanks, Andrew

there would probably be snickers… and you will certainly expend a little extra energy, but don’t let that stop you! get the narrowest slicks you can. I think Richey has 1.25" or even 1" out… Dan — Sorry I have had to obsfucate my address, I am getting way too much junk mail from newsgroup SSSSSSSpammers! * Use of my email address regulated by * *  US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B)  *

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Are there Triathlons that are "on road" but participants use off road bikes with slicks? I realize that the top dogs will have decent bikes and all the whistles and bells, but for a newbie with a student’s budget…that owns a decent ATB-can it be done? Is it done? Or are you laughed off the starting line? Thanks, Andrew there would probably be snickers… and you will certainly expend a little extra energy, but don’t let that stop you!

I disagree about the snickers.  A LOT of first timers go out there on mountain bikes, and I have yet to see anyone dis them for it.  Don’t sweat it, Andrew, just get out there and enjoy! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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: Are there any triathlons where instead of road biking, they : mountain/trail bike?

I took part in a "winter-triathlon" (12.5km trail-run, 42.5km MTB, 20km ice-speedskating on 400m-track), I came last and walking was a pain for the next three days but it was much fun. The event was in Geleen/The Netherlands, they have some more of those. Stefan Roessinger

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There is a mtb triathlon series in the mid-Atlantic hosted by Triathlantic, see http://www.erols.com/jaeger/ There is also at least one in New England hosted by F.I.R.M.  I’m not sure if they have a website, but you can find there address and info by looking in the New England region of the schedule in the mags. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Group, Don’t forget AquaTerra, on Maui a week after IMH.  I got to watch it last year, it was a great race. Brian Stack Coach Manatee Masters Oakland CA USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there Triathlons that are "on road" but participants use off road bikes with slicks? I realize that the top dogs will have decent bikes and all the whistles and bells, but for a newbie with a student’s budget…that owns a decent ATB-can it be done? Is it done? Or are you laughed off the starting line? Thanks, Andrew there would probably be snickers… and you will certainly expend a little extra energy, but don’t let that stop you! I disagree about the snickers.  A LOT of first timers go out there on mountain bikes, and I have yet to see anyone dis them for it.  Don’t sweat it, Andrew, just get out there and enjoy! Tri-Baby

I did my first 4 triathlons on a mtn. bike & the only one "snickering" was me, while I passed some really "pretty" bikes     Triathlon is suppossed to be FUN, make it fun, compete against yourself, the course, the conditions, the clock, whatever.   Just go for it!! tmk bradenton,florida        

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Well, thanks for all of your feedback….         I have received both private and public e-mail concerning my questions. I just DID put slicks on my mountain bike and although it "looks" a bit odd…I’m so used to those big mother tread monsters….my speed on the way home from the bike shop was 3-4 mph faster than on the way there!!!! I also put a different headset on it (slightly higher angle and shorter) and I will be upgrading (?) to clipless in two more weeks (got to do one step at a time)         I started swimming last week…and sunk like a rock!! That and all the chlorine that I drank made for a real fun morning!! Well….I am hoping for some assistance in the swim dept. and will keep ya’ll(I know, I know, it’s a Texas thing, but I figured, if you’re with the natives, may as well SOUND like ‘em, right?)  updated on that.         New training program is being developed as we type…and I’ll probably post that next week for some feedback. Later, Andrew

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Scott, Will you be part of the production team again this year?  Your behind-the-scenes look at the race was terrific to read and I’m hoping we’ll get the same for Kona 96. Best, Mark

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I missed it!!!  We left Atlanta Saturday morning for the Calloway Gardens TRI …I set the VCR for 2:30 … got home Sunday afternoon … anxious to watch Ironman ‘95, I headed for the VCR … and realized I had taped two hours of football!!   I should have double-checked the time.. oh well. Question:  Would anyone out there make me a copy?  I’ll be glad to send a tape or $$ for a tape.  With less than 8 weeks to go before my first IM (Great Floridian), I was looking forward to the motivation! Thanks! –Jeff Grant—— Atlanta, Georgia

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<<Scott, Will you be part of the production team again this year? You bet!  The Ironman is my favorite shoot of the year. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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For those of you bemoaning the fact that you missed the rebroadcast of the ‘95 HI Ironman this weekend, don’t be *too* disappointed.  Would you believe they broadcast a cut version?  The original program ran a full 2 hours, including commercials.  Saturday’s presentation was only 90 minutes (including commercials).  They eliminated any and all "extraneous" stuff (i.e., pre-race interviews, the stuff on the age groupers, the repeated showing of Bustos’ crash, etc., etc., etc.) and showed nothing but the pros.  Of course, if you missed it last Fall, this cut version is better than nothing, but it sure strikes me as a crude move for NBC to *cut* an Emmy-award-winning presentation. Or was that only in the SF Bay Area market?  Was the complete program broadcast elsewhere? TriBaby — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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Or was that only in the SF Bay Area market?  Was the complete program broadcast elsewhere?

I think they broadcast the condensed version everywhere because we are down in Orange County.  What a disappointment it was. sue baker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

Was it just me, or was this weekend’s airing 30 minutes shorter than the original?  I seem to remember the following from the original airing, which were missing from this weekend’s:         * Numerous replays of Bustos’ life-threatening accident         * Closeups of Karen Smyers (training in Walden Pond) and                 Greg Welch (running and goofing around Boulder).         * Other various closeup footage         * some announcer out on the bike course showing his hat                 get blown away. Even though I saw the original airing back in November, I watched this airing and got goosebumps a number of times throughout.  I, personally, think the race is awesome enough to turn any form of its production into a good one.   I also worship Mark Allen more than ever before.  PLUS, this time I noticed the look on his face as he crossed the finish line in first place.  A look of genuine joy — like that of a little boy who gets the puppydog he wanted for Xmas (ok, maybe this is a horrible analogy). I mean, it wasn’t like he was just finishing another day at the office ; truly was his performance awesome, yet his reaction human. I am fairly new to the sport and because of this, have not seen any of the previous years airings of the event and have nothing to compare it to.  Maybe we, here at RST, could put together a list of things we would like to have included in future telecasts of the Ironman, like (brainstorming on) more info on the qualification procedure, the race-day diets of the athletes, the training regimen of the elite athletes versus the age-grouper.  How many athletes actually finish?   More info on the course itself (hell, golf telecasts do this) and on the volunteers involved.  Also, a little bit on the history of the race (why 112 miles?  why this order and who in the hell dreamed this one up?) The dominance of Dave Scott and Mark Allen and what makes them tick.  I am just brainstorming right now, and I agree that it would be hard to squeeze all of this into a 2hour telecast (along with coverage of the actual race!) As any amateur athlete, we agree that multiple telecasts would be ideal: one for the athletes themselves and one for the general couch potato, to draw their attention to the sport and to possibly get them off the couch!  I ramble. Anyway, watching the telecast was a perfect was to cool down from my saturday morning long ride — I just wish I could do it this way more often! Mark Johnson

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Try and get a copy of Mike Plants "Ironwill". It has a great deal of history on the Ironman itself and some profiles of the pioneers of the sport. Also an old Triathlon training manual written by Bob Johnson has some interesting reading if you can wade through some of the fads and fantasies.

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<< If you were shooting the women’s race, how did you decide whether to stick with Paula or to follow Karen to the finish? Or did you have two cameras? When it became obvious that we had a rela horse race going and that Karen was closing the gap, I called for another motorcycle camera to cover Karen, since I would miss something if I was bouncing between them.  When Paula sat down, it was an easy decision to stay with her, since the other motorcycle was on Karen and there were at least 3 cameras at the finish line. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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<< Of course, if you missed it last Fall, this cut version is better than nothing, but it sure strikes me as a crude move for NBC to *cut* an Emmy-award-winning presentation. Ever since NBC started airing the Ironman, they have aired a cut-down version of the original long show at a  later date.  Still, that is one more airing than the Superbowl gets, so we can’t complain too loudly. Thanks for the Emmy award reference, but after 3 wins in a row (1992, 1993, and 1994) we didn’t even get nominated this year.  Time to let someone else get a cool statue for the mantle. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

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I’m rather bummed.  I saw this show last Nov., but forgot to tape it.  I REALLY want to watch it again, but I’m off to a football game.  It’s my fiance’s alma mater, so if I don’t go she won’t go to my alma mater’s game.   This compromising stuff is really tough!  Oh…and my VCR is broken. This has brought up another thought that reoccurs here.  Is there any way that NBC or the production company could produce alonger, uncut video for sale???  Granted, it wouldn’t sell millions, but most triathletes would pay big bucks for such a video.  Heck, I’d even love to watch home videos of the Ironman! Marty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

– Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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I caught the last hour of the event and hate that I didn’t tape it.  Would you know if it’s available on tape or any other Tri event?  When will 1996 Ironman be televised? Thanks, Danita New York

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: I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race : (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be : happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with : the word "sucks" Just yesterday I watched the Paula N-F. finish portion.  Whew.  Scary stuff.  But she really is awesome.  If you were shooting the women’s race, how did you decide whether to stick with Paula or to follow Karen to the finish? Or did you have two cameras?  This part of the coverage seemed just a little choppy, but that was understandable.               Starbound page:  http://www.mcs.net/~tshell/enright.htm

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Triathlon: Run – Bike – Kayak Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada This is a MAHONE BAY WOODEN BOAT FESTIVAL sponsored event.  Held each year, this competition involves a 10km Run, followed by a 28km Bike leg followed by a 8km Kayak course.  Against the backdrop of this scenic coastline, participants find this one of their favorite races.  Saturday August 3, 1996, the Run starts at 8:00am and the final event should end around noon. There is a 15 minute rest between stages. Three Single Classes and two Team Classes.  Contact David Etter at 1-902-624-6632  or or Al Heubach at 1-902-634-8033. — David Etter                             Your Internet Connection to Mahone Bay Kayak Adventures             all Kayaking Interests in Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada         Atlantic Canada. http://fox.nstn.ca/~seakayak            1-902-624-6632

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. There is a 15 minute rest between stages. do they serve cupcakes during the rest period!

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I need to replace my wetsuit and have seen lots of ads for Ironman wetsuits. Has anyone had any experience with them ? Richard Barrer   "Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, How did you enjoy the play ?"

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A very nice wetsuit…I own a QR longjohn and an Ironman fullsuit…..both work great……. cheers Sam Km40….cheers!   (was ZippSam)

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Get one. I did and is fast and works great. Luis Vargas — Anyone can be angry–that is easy. But to be angry with the right person, to the right degree, at the rigth time, for the right purpose, and in the right way–this is not easy. Aristotle

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I need to replace my wetsuit and have seen lots of ads for Ironman wetsuits. Has anyone had any experience with them ? Richard Barrer   "Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, How did you enjoy the play ?"

        The first wetsuit I bought was an Ironman last summer.  I ordered it a month in advance of my first triathlon, and a week before had not received anything.  I contacted them, and they sent me a used suit from the previous year to use.  I got it a few days before the race, not enough time to really test it out.         Anyway, I used the suit for two races and felt terribly restricted by it.  I returned the suit under their warranty about three weeks after I had it.  Never got the actual suit I had payed for.  Then, about a month after returning it, I finally received my $350 + back in the mail.  Needless to say, I was very unhappy with it.         I bought a sleeveless QR suit this year, and it is a totally different story.  Received the suit 2-3 days after I ordered it from Steve’s, and have had no restriction problems and nothing but good races this year in it.  Granted, I am a much better swimmer this year than last, but my QR moves me up another notch.  Recommend it without any hesitation. Good luck   Win Balcavage

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At 400y/9 mi/5k, this is the longest tri I’ve done to date – obviously, I’m new to the sport!  

(((((  Interesting Race Report   )))) Followed by: As I said, I had a great time.  The course was well-marked, and there were several volunteers at each turn, so it was virtually impossible to get lost. Can’t wait for the next one, Tim Chamillard

Another one hooked!   Sounds like you had a great time…keep it up. AJ Calabrese

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congrats. we had friends at the race was there big waves?

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we had friends at the race was there big waves?

The waves sure felt big to me — I can say with complete assurance that they were much larger than the waves in the pool (except maybe those made by my flailing limbs)! TriMorph

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At 400y/9 mi/5k, this is the longest tri I’ve done to date – obviously, I’m new to the sport!  Anyway, I had a great time, and I’m sure I’ll do more triathlons, though I’ll probably have to finish my PhD first (after which, you can call me Doctor, but that’s another thread…) Pre Pre Race The biggest news here is I shaved my legs for the first time in my life (at least as far as I can remember!).  The biggest surprise was how LONG it took me to do; I’m only 5′9", so my legs aren’t THAT long.  Anyway, my wife watched me shave for a while and made some amused comments about my shaving technique.  To her credit, she gave me some good pointers too, but she clearly thought it was somewhat strange discussing this topic with me.  I kept telling her that the general consensus was that she’d really love my sleek hairless legs, but she was unimpressed, even when I finished.  Sigh. Pre Race I got to the triathlon site about 2 hours before the event, which gave me a chance to walk around lots checking out the hot bikes and to cast eager glances at the starting "corral" (moo).  I did see one person who commented about my rst singlet, saying it was cool and he had one too. I guess I was thinking more about the race than being social, because I didn’t even find out who he was.  Whoever you are, sorry if I came off as being anti-social – it was nice knowing there was at least one other "netter" there.  Finally, we were called to the start. Swim —- Without a doubt my weakest event, but I wasn’t too worried about this, even though I’m a slow swimmer (8:11 for 450y the Wednesday before the race – I SAID I was slow).  I obviously didn’t know how slow I am, because it took me 14:23 to swim the 400 yards.  It was my first open water swim, so dealing with the waves was a new experience, and I guess the current slowed me down a bit too.  Basically, as soon as I started, I forgot all I’d practiced for bilateral breathing, pressing the T, and stroke mechanics, and tried not to drown instead.  My sister said the lifeguards were pretty busy pulling people from the water, so I guess it could have been worse, but I was disappointed with the swim anyway.  Oh well – next time I’ll have a better idea what to expect. Swim-Bike Transition Went fine – even a little quicker than I expected.  I had everything set out in the right order (i.e., put on singlet before helmet), and it worked out well. Bike —- This went better than I expected.  I was probably fired up to make up some time from the poor swim, but whatever the reason, this was a good ride for me.  I only averaged 20.7 mph, but for me that’s good.  The bike was crowded, but I was very careful not to draft anyone, and I think I was probably legal the whole ride (though I never saw a draft marshal, so I don’t think they even had them).  There was a guy on a Softride who went about the same pace as me for the ride, and just after I passed someone (then slowed down a little to recover), he came beside me and said "Never pass someone and stop – then I can’t draft you".  I was so amazed by this I couldn’t think of a thing to say, but I’ve thought of plenty of witty responses since! Bike-Run Transition 51 seconds.  I’ve been practicing these on my Wednesday bricks, but it usually takes me about 1:30.  I guess not having to unlock the front door and put the bike away helps. Run — In my first (and only other) triathlon, I had incredible cramps in my calves when I started running – that’s why I’ve been doing the bricks.  The practice helped, but I still got some pretty good cramps in my right calf. I managed to run through them, but my leg is sore today.  The run was slower than I expected, but that’s probably because I was starting to get a little fatigued .  The run seemed pretty hot to me, but I survived it ok. Final Time: 1:12:08 As I said, I had a great time.  The course was well-marked, and there were several volunteers at each turn, so it was virtually impossible to get lost. Can’t wait for the next one, Tim Chamillard

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