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Hi — I work with Joe as a coach. I’m using Joel Friel’s "Training Bible" as a guide.  Should I include weight training in my training hours as part of my annual training plan?  I have this notion that the training plan only includes aerobic activity…

Yes, include your strength training volume as part of your overall volume. Also, the weight training program leaves me pretty sore and feeling very heavy.  I find it difficult to get good aerobic workouts due to muscle soreness, particularly in my legs.  Should I cut back to a point where I feel better or push through this difficult time in hopes of better performance later?  I’m inclined to cut-back some on the weight used and maybe the number of sets until the soreness is less pronounced.

During the MS phase your sport specific sessions will suffer.  However, if you are experiencing persistant soreness or soreness that does not leave in 36 hours post session — this is a sign that either you have gone too heavy, too quickly or need a longer AA phase. If you are experiencing significant soreness in the AA phase then you are lifting too much weight and should back off the intensity in order to let your body adjust. You might also enjoy an article that I wrote on lifting… http://www.xtri.com/article.asp?id=489 g

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Hi, I’m relatively new to triathlon, although not to sports and weight training in general.  I’m an age-grouper and have been in the sport for about a year.  I’ve intermittantly done some weight training throughout my athletic career, however, I have a couple of questions concerning weight training specifically for triathlon. I’m using Joel Friel’s "Training Bible" as a guide.  Should I include weight training in my training hours as part of my annual training plan?  I have this notion that the training plan only includes aerobic activity… Also, the weight training program leaves me pretty sore and feeling very heavy.  I find it difficult to get good aerobic workouts due to muscle soreness, particularly in my legs.  Should I cut back to a point where I feel better or push through this difficult time in hopes of better performance later?  I’m inclined to cut-back some on the weight used and maybe the number of sets until the soreness is less pronounced. What do you think?  Am I wimping out or what?

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This is from Sunday’s (20 May 2001) North (San Diego) County Times newspaper… Competitor dies in bicycle accident during grueling Ironman event ERIN WALSH Staff Writer OCEANSIDE —- An international triathlon that brought 10,000 spectators and 1,700 competitors to Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base on Saturday ended in tragedy for one competitor who died in a cycling accident in the middle of the race. Triathlete Perry A. Rendina, 45, of Shalersville, Ohio died Saturday afternoon competing in the Ironman California Triathlon.  Most spectators and competitors did not know about the accident until witnesses crossed the finish line in the evening. More at http://www.nctimes.com/news/2001/20010520/64153.html

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Very tragic news.    When accidents like these happen to fellow Triathletes it brings reality home.   Please never forget that what we do in training and racing can be dangerous.   I know that after miles and miles of training some things are taken for granted.   Equipment safety and riding caution must be an integral part of every day for all of us.  Let Perry’s tragic ending be an unforgotten lesson .   Check every inch of your equipment with a magnifying glass on a regular basis.   Train and race within safe limits what ever they are.   Placing high in your age group is secondary,  Safety is paramount. My sincerest condolences to Perry’s family.   May he rest in peace and help provide direction for the rest of us.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is from Sunday’s (20 May 2001) North (San Diego) County Times newspaper… Competitor dies in bicycle accident during grueling Ironman event ERIN WALSH Staff Writer OCEANSIDE —- An international triathlon that brought 10,000 spectators and 1,700 competitors to Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base on Saturday ended in tragedy for one competitor who died in a cycling accident in the middle of the race. Triathlete Perry A. Rendina, 45, of Shalersville, Ohio died Saturday afternoon competing in the Ironman California Triathlon.  Most spectators and competitors did not know about the accident until witnesses crossed the finish line in the evening. More at http://www.nctimes.com/news/2001/20010520/64153.html

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Ok, so it was only the injuries, since training is basically free. Blasphemy!! Everyone knows you can’t train for a tri without $150 Oakleys, $120 Syntace Aerobars, $300 wetsuits, etc. Just ask Brian W.

Ah ha! Silly boy, training IS free. Getting out the door is what breaks the bank… I need new tires. I need new tubes. I need new shorts and jerseys. I need new run shoes, new bike shoes Now, that’s more like it.

See, it didn’t take me but three paragraphs into my comeback! TriathRon

Anyone know any international or shorter distance races in NorCal before the season’s over? I know about the Sentinel and Pacific Grove. However, I would like to be able to drive there the morning of, however (from Oakland-ish). myke — Write Once, Debug Everywhere

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The Runner’s Schedule is the best resource I’ve found so far for NorCal races; running or triathlon. Try http://www.theschedule.com/ and click on ‘Races this month’. There’s two sprint tris this Saturday; one in Alameda at the Harbor Bay Club (pool swim) and one in Sacramento (lake swim). I’m gonna do one of them, I just haven’t decided which one yet. Probably the Sac’to one ‘cuz I’m not too keen on the pool swim idea. Also, there’s the Sandman Tri in Aptos on Sunday, then Pyramid Lake in Reno next weekend, then a spring in Pleasanton the week after . . . . well, I’ll just let you check the schedule for yourself. Long story short, if you really want to you can race just about every weekend thru mid-October. — TriathRon                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, so it was only the injuries, since training is basically free. Blasphemy!! Everyone knows you can’t train for a tri without $150 Oakleys, $120 Syntace Aerobars, $300 wetsuits, etc. Just ask Brian W. Ah ha! Silly boy, training IS free. Getting out the door is what breaks the bank… I need new tires. I need new tubes. I need new shorts and jerseys. I need new run shoes, new bike shoes Now, that’s more like it. See, it didn’t take me but three paragraphs into my comeback! TriathRon Anyone know any international or shorter distance races in NorCal before the season’s over? I know about the Sentinel and Pacific Grove. However, I would like to be able to drive there the morning of, however (from Oakland-ish). myke — Write Once, Debug Everywhere

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I’ve been a triathlete since 1985, but have been away from the sport the last several years.  I feel kind of like Austin Powers coming out of the deep freeze.  All my old tri idols are now Masters competitors, QR Dan is away from the sport, there is nothing available for 7 speed Softrides (or any other bike) anymore and I’m no spring chicken any longer. I’m finding that returning to training at 29 is much tougher than I thought.  I’ve taken time with my running, only running 1-2 miles, then upping it a little each week, just starting to get back on the road, and the pool is still something I’m going to have to work at in the coming weeks. Any advice would be appreciated.  Since I decided to get off my (bigger since leaving tris) butt and training again, I have been having a blast.  I know I’ll be hitting the training wall in coming weeks, but sincerely want to get back into racing and eventually accomplish my first full IM.

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wow, reading your message, I first thought you were more 49 than 29. Hey man, plenty of time in front of you, you’re not old. Want to get back into shape? When you’re just 29, the solution is oh-so-easy: train! 2 years ago, I ran my 1st marathon after having run only 3 times in 6 months (college…) with a very acceptable 3:32. If you want to get back into racing, you will, totally up to you. I am now training for my first ironman (GFT 99) which will actually be my first triathlon. Crazy? No, I know I’ll do fine, because I’m motivated (and this time I’m training). You are motivated? Then you’ll train and you’ll get back into good shape. Up to you. – Francois (25) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a triathlete since 1985, but have been away from the sport the last several years.  I feel kind of like Austin Powers coming out of the deep freeze.  All my old tri idols are now Masters competitors, QR Dan is away from the sport, there is nothing available for 7 speed Softrides (or any other bike) anymore and I’m no spring chicken any longer. I’m finding that returning to training at 29 is much tougher than I thought.  I’ve taken time with my running, only running 1-2 miles, then upping it a little each week, just starting to get back on the road, and the pool is still something I’m going to have to work at in the coming weeks. Any advice would be appreciated.  Since I decided to get off my (bigger since leaving tris) butt and training again, I have been having a blast.  I know I’ll be hitting the training wall in coming weeks, but sincerely want to get back into racing and eventually accomplish my first full IM.

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Hey, join the club. I am tentatively getting back into training after over two years off. I am now a grand old 30, and in a new age group. I had stopped for two main reasons: a salary approaching zero and lingering injuries. Ok, so it was only the injuries, since training is basically free. When I started riding again, I got all sorts of weird injuries again. My ankles were killing me! I realized that I really over pronated, even on the bike, and I guess had just gotten used to it before. That was a one-week-off lesson. I was a pretty good swimmer before, but I don’t remember it being so hard either. I am convinced the pool I swim in now is 25 meters instead of 25 yards. I have religously avoided entering any pools I had been in previously to feed this delusion. My only advice is to take it slow. Not necessarily slow speed, but a slow buildup. I had forgotten that when I started before, it wasn’t exactly from nothing. I had swam for 14 years before that. Now it’s different. I need new tires. I need new tubes. I need new shorts and jerseys. I need new run shoes, new bike shoes (ok I needed new bike shoes when I stopped training . I have forgotten all the local climb heights. Wow look at all that new development on my favorite ride route. People gaze quizically at my 7 speed downtube shifting Cannondale. But I didn’t forget the sunscreen… You get the idea. myke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a triathlete since 1985, but have been away from the sport the last several years.  I feel kind of like Austin Powers coming out of the deep freeze.  All my old tri idols are now Masters competitors, QR Dan is away from the sport, there is nothing available for 7 speed Softrides (or any other bike) anymore and I’m no spring chicken any longer. I’m finding that returning to training at 29 is much tougher than I thought.  I’ve taken time with my running, only running 1-2 miles, then upping it a little each week, just starting to get back on the road, and the pool is still something I’m going to have to work at in the coming weeks. Any advice would be appreciated.  Since I decided to get off my (bigger since leaving tris) butt and training again, I have been having a blast.  I know I’ll be hitting the training wall in coming weeks, but sincerely want to get back into racing and eventually accomplish my first full IM.

– Write Once, Debug Everywhere

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Ok, so it was only the injuries, since training is basically free.

Blasphemy!! Everyone knows you can’t train for a tri without $150 Oakleys, $120 Syntace Aerobars, $300 wetsuits, etc. Just ask Brian W. When I started riding again, I got all sorts of weird injuries again. My ankles were killing me! I realized that I really over pronated, even on the bike, and I guess had just gotten used to it before. That was a one-week-off lesson. I was a pretty good swimmer before, but I don’t remember it being so hard either. I am convinced the pool I swim in now is 25 meters instead of 25 yards. I have religously avoided entering any pools I had been in previously to feed this delusion. My only advice is to take it slow. Not necessarily slow speed, but a slow buildup. I had forgotten that when I started before, it wasn’t exactly from nothing. I had swam for 14 years before that. Now it’s different. I need new tires. I need new tubes. I need new shorts and jerseys. I need new run shoes, new bike shoes

Now, that’s more like it. TriathRon

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Good grief, it’s getting to *that* time off year again

Hi, Richard.        It’s just as well the "wild haggis" hibernate in the colder months, there’s nothing worse that getting chased by a startled haggis (although they are vegetarians + supplements) on an early morning run ) or is the island haggis free.    Regards, Iain Sim. Ayrodynamics, Scotland. (If at first you don’t succeed. "TRI HARDER".)

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Suppose you’re at work, stressing day, …, a major storm breaks out, forcing you to stay inside.  Obviously, this is not just a sprinkle I’m talking about (it is sort of a pleasure to get a workout in a sprinkle here in the Phoenix area), but something that would be foolish to go out in.  

It could be worse…  Here in the south the "popcorn" showers pop up out of nowhere – some fairly severe.  It’s hard to know if one will occur.  These showers are so small that I’ve started in the sun, run through a small, light shower, then back into sun – all in one short 3 mile run.  No joke! On the flip side, hearing a tornado siren can be quite a motivation for a PR   Do most of you have the capability to make your bikes stationary, treadmills, etc?  Do you go to gyms to do stuff (a backup plan)?

I do a lot of training in a gymn, with a pool.  I like to do mini tri’s – 1/2 mi in the pool, 30 minutes on the life cycle, then 2 miles on the treadmill.  I’d do longer, but we have time limits on some equipment during busy times. This can probably be applied to those of you in the colder climates, with a real winter.  How do you stay in shape for the 4 or so months of the year that prohibit any sane person (well hopefully!) from biking on a sheet of ice? Perhaps you might cut down on workouts in cold weather, can move the swims to indoor pools, but running and biking to keep in half-decent shape?

The gymn works good for me.  I don’t do long distance runs, but 2-3 miles each time keeps me in fairly good shape. — David

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Hello everyone, Perhaps this subject was brought up before, but not since I’ve become a regular reader here. Suppose you’re at work, stressing day, and you think, "Well, I’m sure gonna get out for a bike (run, swim…) after this is all done." Sure enough, the second you get back, a major storm breaks out, forcing you to stay inside. -bits snipped- This can probably be applied to those of you in the colder climates, with a real winter

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Just 5 more weeks to IMC’97!!! (hope I didn’t get everyone involved nervous…if I did, sorry) "Iron" Pete Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97

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Just 5 more weeks to IMC’97!!!

        I didn’t need to know that.         Yours with healing road-rash David Barclay IMC 1997 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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: Just 5 more weeks to IMC’97!!! You HAD to remind me didn’t you? : (hope I didn’t get everyone involved nervous…if I did, sorry) Hmm….me?  Nervous?  Just because I totally sleazed my 2nd to last long ride this weekend.  Hmm….better to be undertrained and healthy than overtrained and injured.  Right?  ;-) Jason, just finish again, in VA — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Persist, Persevere, Deny, Pursue, Pain, Survive, Ignore, Endure, Strive, Laugh, Cry, Live, Prevail, Scream, Sweat, Bleed, Sustain, Learn, Ascend, Give, Get, GO!   34 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘97

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Just 5 more weeks to IMC’97!!!

The bad news is that I have two heavy weeks of training ahead… The good news is that the taper starts in two weeks… The worse news is that the race follows!  (Just kidding…) Did you other first timers ever imagine you would feel so good after so much training?  I had assumed that I would be fighting breaking down at this point.  Instead, I feel great and only lack a schedule that would let me get "a little more training" in.  But that’s probably good.  As Jason says, better to be undertrained than the alternative! –Tri-Hard (a.k.a. Lee Crumbaugh)

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The bad news is that I have two heavy weeks of training ahead… The good news is that the taper starts in two weeks… The worse news is that the race follows!  (Just kidding…) Did you other first timers ever imagine you would feel so good after so much training?  I had assumed that I would be fighting breaking down at this point.  Instead, I feel great and only lack a schedule that would let me get "a little more training" in.  But that’s probably good.  As Jason says, better to be undertrained than the alternative! –Tri-Hard (a.k.a. Lee Crumbaugh)

After this race last year, I completely, and I mean COMPLETELY burned out. I have IronMac Rolf as a witness to this demise. After this big race I just couldn’t touch a bike for one month, and only ran a few times. It took me until December to get interested in the new season (‘97). This type of training does a lot of wear and tear on your mind, and many of you will witness that after this race. "Iron" Pete Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97 —Countdown: 33 days until D-Day!!!

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I just talked to Steve Locke.  He apologized for not doing this himself but he’s really busy right now.  Here’s what Steve told me.   * "There are no angels here.  Lot’s of different problems created the      unfortunate situation at Muncie."       1) The officials were USAT but the rules they were enforcing were          ITU.  The ITU "illegal drafting race" rule allows 30 seconds for a          pass (USAT is 15 secs).  Also, in the ITU rule if you end up not          passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re          cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly          impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop          hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time          you were drafting.       2) Only 9 motorcycles showed up (he didn’t say why).  Steve says that          the theory this was an "ITU conspiracy" is "Totally Bogus".  So .          .  .  25 refs showed but only 9 were on the course.       3) For an unknown reason the ITU director at the race did *not*          direct all 9 motorcycles to officiate the age group race after          they were done with the pros. Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES. —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (970) 229-3117

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I just talked to Steve Locke.  He apologized for not doing this himself but he’s really busy right now.  Here’s what Steve told me.  * "There are no angels here.  Lot’s of different problems created the     unfortunate situation at Muncie."      1) The officials were USAT but the rules they were enforcing were         ITU.  The ITU "illegal drafting race" rule allows 30 seconds for a         pass (USAT is 15 secs).  Also, in the ITU rule if you end up not         passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re         cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly         impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop         hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time         you were drafting.

Larry, please clarify this for me. Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call? I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again. You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it. Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer. This, to me, is downright stupid if true. We are, after all, racing out there. snip<< Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES.

Well said! I agree with this completely. And, as athletes, we need to support the officials and their actions to keep anarchy out of the sport. Enforcement is the best (maybe the only) way to keep the athletes playing fair. Many will take it as far as they are allowed to. Every pitcher in MLB knows how every umpire judges the strike zone, and adjusts to it. The NFL and NBA players do the same thing. They play by the rules *as enforced*, not as written. If pass interference was against the rules in football, but the referees chose to not penalize for it, imagine the result. Andrew Peabody Miami Beach —   LSC (aka Larry Chapman)   (970) 229-3117

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Larry, please clarify this for me. Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call?

That is correct. I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again.

That’s how the rules used to be written.  Unfortunatly, many cheaters started playing the in-and-out game.  We even had a Pro set his watch to beep every 15 seconds! You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it.

Right. "5.10.H  Exceptions.         A participant may enter the drafting zone without penalty only         under the following conditions:            (1) When entering the drafting zone from the rear, closing the                gap, and overtaking, all within no more than 15 seconds." Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer. This, to me, is downright stupid if true. We are, after all, racing out there.

So . . . suggest an alternative that will prevent in-and-out. snip<< Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES.

–    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (970) 229-3117

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        …in the ITU rule if you end up not         passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re         cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly         impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop         hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time         you were drafting. Larry, please clarify this for me.

Will you listen to anyone other than Larry? Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call?

Technically speaking, "Yup!" From the rule book:   5.10(h) Exceptions:     A participant may enter the drafting zone without penalty only under     the following conditions:         (1) When entering the drafting zone from the rear, closing             the gap, and overtaking all within no more than 15 seconds;         (2) When cyclists reduce speed for safety reasons, for             course blockage, for an aid station, for an emergency, when             entering or exiting a transition area, or when making a turn             of 90 degrees or more; or         (3) When USA Triathlon or the Head Referee expressly excludes             a section of the bicycle course from the position foul             rules because of overly narrow lanes, construction, detours,             or a similar reason. This means that the only time you are allowed 15 seconds is if you enter the drafting zone from the back and pass the other cyclist within those 15 seconds.  Since you must enter from the back, this also prevents you from slipping in the side, drafting the other cyclist for 10 seconds and then passing him. I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again. You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it.

From Section 5.10(f) of the rule book (the section on "Position and Passing"):     A participant must not attempt to pass another cyclist unless     adequate space is available and he is confident of his ability     to overtake and pass the other cyclist. There is no violation for attempting to pass when you are less than 100% sure you can successfully complete the pass.  The violation occurs if you actually fail to complete it (i.e. the violation is not in attempting the pass, but in failing to complete it).  My belief is that the above sentence in the rules is included to prevent people from using the excuse, "Really! I was trying to pass!" Back to the example that Andrew presented above, I would be very surprised if you got a penalty because you tried to pass someone and they accelerated.  I have spoken to at least one "zero tolerance" official who says he really only penalizes people who are trying to gain a benefit from drafting.  Of course, if you repeatedly failed to pass people, then it wouldn’t surprise me as much if you were penalized.   The safest way to pass someone is to move to the side and pass them without ever intersecting drafting zones.  If the zones never intersect, then there cannot be a drafting violation, even if it takes you 3 minutes to pass them (if it takes 3 minutes, then make sure you don’t block other cyclists). Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer.

On numerous occasions (like since before RST even existed and tri talk took place on rec.running and rec.bicycles), Larry has solicited rule suggestions from people on the net.  If you have ideas for rule changes or additions, then send them to Larry or even post them here on RST.  That’s what I always do!  But in doing so, I would also suggest that instead of just pointing out flaws in the rules, you try and suggest ways to fix those flaws. This, to me, is downright stupid if true.

It’s not so stupid when you compare it to the ITU rule that has a loophole in it big enough to allow rapidly rotating pacelines. We are, after all, racing out there.

Yup, but in order to keep the race fair, we all have to follow the same set of rules.  Until some rules are written that distinguish between the case Andrew describes above and the guy who sucks wheel for 15 seconds before dropping back, I think the correct choice is to have the rule be a little too strict rather than too lenient. (Remember that the rule must be enforceable and cannot require the official to read anyone’s mind to determine intent). While we are on the topic of rules, I’d like to point out one other aspect of the USAT drafting rules that are often misunderstood.  A lot of people believe that you only need to stay 1 meter to the side of someone else to avoid a drafting violation.  This is incorrect.  The USAT drafting rules state that your drafting zone only needs to intersect with the drafting zone of another cyclist to be in violation.  Remembering that drafting zones extend 1 meter to each side, this means that you must stay 2 meters to the side of another cyclist. As always, if anyone wants to see the USAT rules, I have them on my web page.  Remember that the only way for everyone to follow the same rules is if everyone makes an effort to learn them.                                         — John — John Walker        Jackson & Tull Chartered Engineers, Seabrook, Maryland WWW URL:   http://xenon.stanford.edu/~walker  

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Has anyone run Big Sur?  I wondered what it was like, and am connsidering running it.  Thanks!

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Has anyone run Big Sur?  I wondered what it was like, and am connsidering running it.  Thanks!

I haven’t run it (yet), but used to live in Monterey, and still visit my son there a couple of times a year. The ‘thon starts at Pfeiffer State Park, crosses the Bixby Creek Bridge at approx. 13 miles, and finishes in Carmel. The scenery is the most breathtaking you’ll ever see. Depending on your condition, or your competitiveness during, you may not enjoy the scenery as much as you’d like. The hills are *murder*. The organizers have done a great job providing entertaining distractions along the way. The Monterey Peninsula Symphony (or whatever the correct handle is) seranades(sic) the runners near Bixby Creek. I could go on. I definately plan to run it myself as soon as I can speak of my foot injury in the past-tense. HTH —- Denny 8~}

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I have been trying for 10 years to run it but it comes after LA and I’m to trasked to run it. My best friend ran it last year and said it was the best marathon he has ever been part of. The scenery is great he said   and its well organized. Don’t expect a great time due to the course but he said its well worth it. jim  

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I have a brief synopsis of the race on my tri-page.  It also has a link to the BSIM Website.  I have only done four marathons, but it clearly was my favorite.  (You will see my bias on the page).  Don’t miss this one. Look under Events, Marathons. Regards, Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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Excellent point. Glad you thought of it. Kurian Davis

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Given each countries national triathlon body should have been present and recieve minutes of the ITU meetings, does anybody with internet access have a copy? Then we could see why our sport is being run the way it is – and how every countries delegate voted. I understand from talking to a member of Triathlon Australia that the US,Australia both voted against drafting – the UK delegate was informed too as well, but changed her mind, and is now getting her asre kicked over it!

If anyone’s interested I have confirmed that the NEW ZEALAND delegates to ITU congress at Cancun VOTED AGAINST DRAFTING. That makes it USA, Australia and NZ at least that voted against. Anyone know how other countries voted? As yet I’ve seen no minutes of ITU congress or executive at Cancun. Robert Cox Wellington Tri club

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as of this date we have not received a copy of the cancun minutes. it will be difficult to determine who voted for or against drafting as the vote was a voice vote. the usa did vote against drafting. steve locke usa delegate

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Given each countries national triathlon body should have been present and recieve minutes of the ITU meetings, does anybody with internet access have a copy? Then we could see why our sport is being run the way it is – and how every countries delegate voted. I understand from talking to a member of Triathlon Australia that the US,Australia both voted against drafting – the UK delegate was informed too as well, but changed her mind, and is now getting her asre kicked over it! If anyone’s interested I have confirmed that the NEW ZEALAND delegates to ITU congress at Cancun VOTED AGAINST DRAFTING. That makes it USA, Australia and NZ at least that voted against. Anyone know how other countries voted? As yet I’ve seen no minutes of ITU congress or executive at Cancun. Robert Cox – Wellington Tri club

When I e-mailed the ITU for the minutes they said they didn’t have them and I’d have to get them from Traiathlon Australia when they recieved their copy. The Asutralian delgate also confirmed that the drafting was done via a voice vote. Unfortunately because of this, and the amount of pre-meeting lobbing, I nolonger think the minutes will really show what i expected – ie What really happened. Particluarly regarding the drafting vote, the treatment of the USA team and delegates, and the dispute with the WTC over the words "world championship". The members of the national bodies which belong to the ITU have a right however to know how the decisions intheir sport are being made. At the next ITU meeting 1. VOTE BY VOICE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED – especcially for such important decisions as drafting. A record of how decisions are reached is a basic requirement for any democratic/ackountable body. Whooops, 2. A TRUE REPORT IS NEEDED. If the ITU minutes are to brief, then someone else, prehaps another delegate, needs to make some. What was said by every one? Would a cassete voice recorder let the members know what happened? At the very least, the type of report the Tri Fed pres posted is required. When I get the minutes, I’ll post them anyway, becasue at least they’ll show how badly they are a reflection of the romours we hear. Of which I can add: — The WTC will drop the title "world champoinship" if the ITU drop drafting ??? The  TA delgate also commented that not many contries voted against drafting, but since the meeting was help PRIOR to the race(s), he wondered if the vote would have been the same once everyone saw what drafting did to the event. (Although the best triathletes still did well). When I recieve TA’s report on the meeting I’ll post that too. Cheers, Richard

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Given each countries national triathlon body should have been present and recieve minutes of the ITU meetings, does anybody with internet access have a copy? Then we could see why our sport is being run the way it is – and how every countries delegate voted. I understand from talking to a member of Triathlon Australia that the US,Australia both voted against drafting – the UK delegate was informed too as well, but changed her mind, and is now getting her asre kicked over it! Doesn’t it make sense to allow the members to know what at the meeting of the International body?? Cheers, Richard

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I was just curious if anyone knew what has happened to Patrick Gilbert of Northwind Promotions in Aptos, California?  Last I heard he was in rehab for something.  I’m asking because I entered the HammerHead Triathlon, which he promoted,  and it never happened.  Anyway I’m still trying to get my money back ($65).  I know he owes 18 other people money, as well.  

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Rumer has it, Patrrick Gilbert is in prison for break’n the law. funpig

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(Deborah Jamison) writes: Thanks Deb for the plug for UltraCoach!! UltraCoach will run on Mac via Power PC or with the hardware addition As to other training software in Mac–all the others are log and diaries and you have to fend for yourself otherwise…..

Dear Ken, I guess you are mistaken about all other Mac software, PC Coach offers both a logbook AND training plans – written by professional runners and their coaches – it IS AVAILABLE for both MAC and Windows – Mac users need to have at least Mac OS 6.0.7 or better. Call 1-800-52-COACH for demo/info. PC Coach will have an ftp site up later this week – we’re testing it to make sure it works before we announce..

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(Deborah Jamison) writes: I want to second the request for a Mac version. Al Wagener For Mac software, be sure to check

alumni.caltech.edu/pub/slp/tadmac.sit – The Athlete’s Diary (also available for Windows and DOS). Deborah Jamison Stevens Creek Software

Thanks Deb for the plug for UltraCoach!! UltraCoach will run on Mac via Power PC or with the hardware addition being a 486 new version expansion card.  We have thought of writing a version for Mac but the platforms are merging and it seems like time is better spent enhancing the present program and translating it into several languages including Japanese, German, Spanish and French. Spanish is nearly done including manual, etc. This is not respecting of the Mac user, I know. Please understand that the confusion of the hardware trends creates a dilemna.  As to other training software in Mac–all the others are log and diaries and you have to fend for yourself otherwise.  So please do not be confused by TADs aspirations, they deliver a satisfactory diary, but nothing interactive and training oriented. Please refer to the review in Triathlete Mag for details. Thank you, Ken

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I want to second the request for a Mac version. Al Wagener

For Mac software, be sure to check alumni.caltech.edu/pub/slp/tadmac.sit – The Athlete’s Diary (also available for Windows and DOS). Deborah Jamison Stevens Creek Software

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