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hot wax on your ass, that was considered a torture during the 14th century

We prefer to call it ‘discipline.’

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welcome to the darkside! i will spare you the details and get right to it: first go over the "big" hairs with a head or dog shaver with no gaurd then follow up with body shop shaving cream for men( brushed on for best results) and remove with a fresh mach 3 razor. ive been shaving head to toe for 7 years and its the best way to go. if you think you can save a few bucks by using cheaper products (no i am not a rep for either gillette or body shop) youll only end up with nicks, cuts or worse. and you wont beleave how close a shave you get with this combo. follow up with lubridurm body cream (unsented) to protect you from drying right out. good luck and TAKE YOUR TIME!!!!!! fun bobby

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Hmmf.. To each his own, I suppose. Don’t knock it till… get  a wetsuit, but most importantly don’t shave anything above the knees and below the waist.

Hopefully the other part of his "deal" was a similarly new situation for her.

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Leave the hair on your knuckles. — http://dschreiner.freeservers.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmf.. To each his own, I suppose. Don’t knock it till… get  a wetsuit, but most importantly don’t shave anything above the knees and below the waist. Hopefully the other part of his "deal" was a similarly new situation for her.

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.com… Leave the hair on your knuckles.

Mine gets scraped off from dragging them on the ground… Phil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — http://dschreiner.freeservers.com/ Hmmf.. To each his own, I suppose. Don’t knock it till… get  a wetsuit, but most importantly don’t shave anything above the knees and below the waist. Hopefully the other part of his "deal" was a similarly new situation for her.

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Hey, shaving is not a problem, razors work fine.   It’s the growing back that hurts. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it is slowly warming up here in the NorthEastern States, and i eagerly look forward to getting a decent road bike ot start some training rides outside.  i am going stir crazy sitting on the damn lifecycles in the gym… But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.  I kind of engineered it to co-incide with the start of racing season.  What do a lot of triathletes/swimmers use? I have seen advertisements for hair removal products in various tri and sports mags, but i figured i would actually get some input from others who have "been there, done that" And, a related question, are there any body areas i should not attempt to de-hair? cheers, and thanks in adavnce eric r. i. clinton "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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The pact…  Well, its kinda just devolves into a stupid human trick. The pact was that she excercises regularly for 3 months, and i somehow "lose" my leg hair and hopefully a good portion of my arse hair.  The old carrot and the draft horse routine….  Being only 23 and rather hairy has earned me a few "aren’t you the missing link?" comments or "is that a gorilla or Eric in the TV?" comments. I really do not mind the comments, since there are much more serious things ot get a twist in my knickers about, and at least i got my gf pretty much hooked on rowing and biking.  She is happier, fitter, and more aggressive…  all bonuses for me.  hehe oh, and thanks for the tip on the belt sander.  That would give a much more refined and stylish look than simple road rash, eh? cheers Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.   You can shave, wax, nads, tweeze, or, if you’re a real man, use a belt sander.  But enough of that; we want to know more about this pact.

                                        eric r. i. clinton                                 www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~madpiper/                                 "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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The question I have is how do I get my wife hooked on any exercise. I can’t use the "shave" lure as I am already pretty much hair free. Richard C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pact…  Well, its kinda just devolves into a stupid human trick. The pact was that she excercises regularly for 3 months, and i somehow "lose" my leg hair and hopefully a good portion of my arse hair.  The old carrot and the draft horse routine….  Being only 23 and rather hairy has earned me a few "aren’t you the missing link?" comments or "is that a gorilla or Eric in the TV?" comments. I really do not mind the comments, since there are much more serious things ot get a twist in my knickers about, and at least i got my gf pretty much hooked on rowing and biking.  She is happier, fitter, and more aggressive…  all bonuses for me.  hehe oh, and thanks for the tip on the belt sander.  That would give a much more refined and stylish look than simple road rash, eh? cheers Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair. You can shave, wax, nads, tweeze, or, if you’re a real man, use a belt sander.  But enough of that; we want to know more about this pact. eric r. i. clinton www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~madpiper/ "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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hot wax on your ass, that was considered a torture during the 14th century – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pact…  Well, its kinda just devolves into a stupid human trick. The pact was that she excercises regularly for 3 months, and i somehow "lose" my leg hair and hopefully a good portion of my arse hair.  The old carrot and the draft horse routine….  Being only 23 and rather hairy has earned me a few "aren’t you the missing link?" comments or "is that a gorilla or Eric in the TV?" comments. I really do not mind the comments, since there are much more serious things ot get a twist in my knickers about, and at least i got my gf pretty much hooked on rowing and biking.  She is happier, fitter, and more aggressive…  all bonuses for me.  hehe oh, and thanks for the tip on the belt sander.  That would give a much more refined and stylish look than simple road rash, eh? cheers Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair. You can shave, wax, nads, tweeze, or, if you’re a real man, use a belt sander.  But enough of that; we want to know more about this pact.                                         eric r. i. clinton                                 www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~madpiper/                                 "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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friend of mine works at a cosmetics studio, so i get a first-class hot wax treatment every few weeks during the racing season. during the off-season i’m shaving them myself, which is a bit cheaper: hot shower first, use a cheap non-scented shaving cream, fresh blade for each leg, follow with aloe gel. note: shaving makes the roots stronger, so waxing usually hurts more at the beginning of the season. or perhaps i’m just getting used to it over the summer… oh, and i only shave my legs. that sort of makes me wonder how many triathletes actually go for arms and torso as well. hmmm. -stephan [ 1:20 run today... hmmm... that used to be a 1:35 trail... ] — stephan mantler: endurance sports maniac    reality is in fact virtual.

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don’t shave your eyebrows.  they might not grow back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it is slowly warming up here in the NorthEastern States, and i eagerly look forward to getting a decent road bike ot start some training rides outside.  i am going stir crazy sitting on the damn lifecycles in the gym… But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.  I kind of engineered it to co-incide with the start of racing season.  What do a lot of triathletes/swimmers use? I have seen advertisements for hair removal products in various tri and sports mags, but i figured i would actually get some input from others who have "been there, done that" And, a related question, are there any body areas i should not attempt to de-hair? cheers, and thanks in adavnce                                         eric r. i. clinton                                 "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.  

You can shave, wax, nads, tweeze, or, if you’re a real man, use a belt sander.  But enough of that; we want to know more about this pact.

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get  a wetsuit, but most importantly don’t shave anything above the knees and below the waist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it is slowly warming up here in the NorthEastern States, and i eagerly look forward to getting a decent road bike ot start some training rides outside.  i am going stir crazy sitting on the damn lifecycles in the gym… But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.  I kind of engineered it to co-incide with the start of racing season.  What do a lot of triathletes/swimmers use? I have seen advertisements for hair removal products in various tri and sports mags, but i figured i would actually get some input from others who have "been there, done that" And, a related question, are there any body areas i should not attempt to de-hair? cheers, and thanks in adavnce eric r. i. clinton "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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Since it is slowly warming up here in the NorthEastern States, and i eagerly look forward to getting a decent road bike ot start some training rides outside.  i am going stir crazy sitting on the damn lifecycles in the gym… But, on to my question. As a result of a pact with my girlfriend, i promised ot either shave, nair, or otherwise remove a large portion of my body hair.  I kind of engineered it to co-incide with the start of racing season.  What do a lot of triathletes/swimmers use? I have seen advertisements for hair removal products in various tri and sports mags, but i figured i would actually get some input from others who have "been there, done that" And, a related question, are there any body areas i should not attempt to de-hair? cheers, and thanks in adavnce                                         eric r. i. clinton                                 "Blow My Pipes" — kilted Hash Master of HVH3 "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible" — Anonymous

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Keith I take your points, perhaps it’s a European thing? We’re inspired by the elite and in the US people are inspired by those with whom they can directly relate? Though I’d hope that the three million don’t all have Judy’s hurdles to overcome! Phil

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phil: I have yet to see NBC broadcast this event without paying close attention to the overall winners. This includes human interest features on how the winners were able to get to this level. For some reason or another everyone tends to remember the stories on the Mr. Hoyts’ and Judy Molnars’. Maybe the viewers relate with their experience in a closer way. I have personally introduced more first time triathletes to the sport of triathlon by sharing the Judy Molnar story vs. the Dave Scott 6-time world champion story. (I owned a running store for 12 years and subsequently spent a great deal of time introducing runners to the sport of triathlon )IMHO, the 3 million viewers watching this broadcast can certainly relate to the Judy Molnar’s and may get off the couch and do something, the other 500 thousand viewers are striving to be the Dave Scott. NBC is most interested in reaching the masses. Keith Ironman Wetsuits www.IronmanWetsuits.com 800.897.6464 804.288.6000 Keith I wonder how many active triathletes get into triathlon through a "human interest story"? My motivation, among other things, was Dave Scott and his early domination of IMH. I didn’t want to be like "joe age grouper" although that’s who I am, I wanted to race over the same distances as, and emulate my heroes. The "I want to be like my hero" dream applies to most sports. There aren’t many teenage triathletes here in Europe with pictures of the Mr Hoyt on their wall, however outstanding his achievement, it’s more likely to be Z

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Here are a couple sites which should help you find some races: http://www.lin-mark.com/index.shtml http://www.greatoutdoors.com/insidetri/calendar/at/index.htm http://www.geneseesites.com/marathon.htm http://www.triath.com/ http://www.nytc.org/ Eric Weiss – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently ran the Columbia Tri and loved it.  Now the ambition is growing and I’d like to do a few more Olympic size tri’s in the MD, PA, VA area. Maybe wrap the season up with a 1/2 IM.  Where should I look, what should I read, what sites to visit?  Are there any groups in the area as well? Looking for Mid-Atlantic guidance, Dave

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Dave, I did Odyssey half last year.  It’s just south of Virginia Beach and takes place 28-29 Aug 99 (the two days are for the double IM dudes).  You can check it out at www.beastoftheeast.com .

This years event has been moved to Colonial Beach, VA, which is on the Potomac River between Norfolk and Washington, D.C. due east of Fredericksburg.  The 1/2 IM is on Sat. Aug. 28th.  Check out the above Colonial Beach is also the site of an Olympic distance race on July is a well run event. Another race to consider with a long running reputation is the Wilkes- Barre (PA) Triathlon on Aug. 8th.  Last year’s race was turned into a duathlon because of water problems.  It is such a good race that hopefully that problem will be corrected this year.  This is an Olympic distance race.  Contact info: 570/822-2025 or fax 823-0953. Have fun this summer. Jack Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I recently ran the Columbia Tri and loved it.  Now the ambition is growing and I’d like to do a few more Olympic size tri’s in the MD, PA, VA area. Maybe wrap the season up with a 1/2 IM.  Where should I look, what should I read, what sites to visit?  Are there any groups in the area as well? Looking for Mid-Atlantic guidance, Dave

I’ve read into something called the Odyssey Half-Ironman race in September (I’ve heard about the Double Ironman there also, but I don’t think you want to tackle that one just yet.   ). I don’t know the date offhand or how the course is, but all I know is that it is set for September. Maybe someone in this newsgroup would give you more info? Good luck.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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I recently ran the Columbia Tri and loved it.  Now the ambition is growing and I’d like to do a few more Olympic size tri’s in the MD, PA, VA area. Maybe wrap the season up with a 1/2 IM.  Where should I look, what should I read, what sites to visit?  Are there any groups in the area as well? Looking for Mid-Atlantic guidance, Dave

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Dave, I did Odyssey half last year.  It’s just south of Virginia Beach and takes place 28-29 Aug 99 (the two days are for the double IM dudes).  You can check it out at www.beastoftheeast.com .  It is a well-run race without a monster field — they pulled a miracle putting the race on last year the day after the hurricane went through — downside is it was hotter than young love and humid (98 degrees; 95% hum) , but that was atypical for the time of year.  No killer hills — fairly straightforward — I’d recommend it as a first half.  One tip:  carry a water bottle on the run. For all kinds of other tri’s and duathlons on Atlantic coast, try Traithlantic at www.triath.com .  Good luck, shack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently ran the Columbia Tri and loved it.  Now the ambition is growing and I’d like to do a few more Olympic size tri’s in the MD, PA, VA area. Maybe wrap the season up with a 1/2 IM.  Where should I look, what should I read, what sites to visit?  Are there any groups in the area as well? Looking for Mid-Atlantic guidance, Dave

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Just imagine how fast Mosi will be when he gets to be 62 years old.

Mosi will still be in his room serving his accumulated penance with Ruth guarding the door in her rocking chair. Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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YEP,  I was thinking the same thing! D.J.   "MOM, my diapers wet"    (Rusty IRONKID) Ironkid, you’re fortunate. The diapers we’re worried about being wet nowadays are Depends. Stay young Mosi. It’s a bear when you’re older. Trust me. Iron Pete "I’m starting the graying process already" Priolo                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Ruth is right about the "aging" thing being kept in perspective.   I guess I feel like an "aging" triathlete for two reasons: 1)physically..I don’t recover anywhere near as well as I used to from medium to hard efforts 2)psychologically, triathlon isn’t quite as big as a priority these days as it was for me in the early 90’s.  Life and responsibilities have changed with age.  Still enjoy it, but other important things have taken center stage. Any age is a good age if your living strong! Best, Mark "of course, being a newlywed I’m feeling like a young pup" Mannebach

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Graying ain’t SH*T!!!  Wait until the day you measure yourself and find out your getting shorter. And for you other wiseguys, that’s HEIGHT I’m talking about. Larry

Please don’t say that. I didn’t need to hear it. I got up to 5 feet 11 inches and I’m still looking for that last inch to be exactly 6 feet tall. I’ve tried bungy jumping in New Zealand a month ago to try to stretch that other inch… …it didn’t work. (sigh)                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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When I grow up I want to be a ……?  Oh well I’m tired today. At our age I think I’ll take a nap. Life is better after 40 than before.  Youngsters don’t know what their missing.

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2)psychologically, triathlon isn’t quite as big as a priority these days as it was for me in the early 90’s.  Life and responsibilities have changed with age. Still enjoy it, but other important things have taken center stage.

That’s a nice lead in to my feelings on this. Triathlon is more fun to me now (at 50) than it was at 35.  The "other important things" you’re becoming concerned with are now in my past – I’ve reached a level in my business career that I’m comfortable with and don’t need to push that part of my life any more. One kid gets married in June, the other’s a junior in college and pretty independent.   So we (my wife and I) can turn our attention to ourselves more. For me, that’s manifested itself in doing some Ironmans, building my dream model railroad layout, and generally buying some of the toys I put off getting because of braces, tuition, etc. I think I enjoy doing tri’s even more now, because I don’t feel any pressure to perform at any level other than to my own expectations. I don’t have to "profile" <grin or have the latest equipment, or tri-toys.  I think I told someone (Eric Weiss? last year at IMC that it had to be a lot less stressful for me to be at IMC than all those young kids. Hell, just being there at 50 was pretty dog-gone good.  No-one looked at a skinny old guy with a gray beard anyway, so I had a blast watching all the kids doing their thing.  And it’s the same way at local races.  I love just being there among all those great athletes, enjoying the fun of doing something so physical.  Few of my peers can even conceive of being able to do something like that. But to me it’s just a part of my life – something I do without a second thought. Of course, I *CAN* do a little profiling of my own now at the local races.  That IMC finisher’s shirt does draw a few glances. <THAT skinny old guy’s an Ironman?!? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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You must never forget that age is just a number that changes every 365 days. Same goes for the time on that crummy clock at the finish line.    I learned that you can slow the changes on the clock with some hard work but not the other number. For what it’s worth,  when I did my first triathlon at age 50, an Olympic distance Bud Lite thing,  it took me 2:30 to touch the line.   A few months ago, with 12 years experience under my shorter belt,  I did another one in 2:20.   Yep, the timing clock is reversible but the number of candles keeps increasing Just imagine how fast Mosi will be when he gets to be 62 years old. Aloha,     ,  the oldest, but most beautiful Island in Hawaii. 1998 IMH 11:49:30

t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2)psychologically, triathlon isn’t quite as big as a priority these days as it was for me in the early 90’s.  Life and responsibilities have changed with age. Still enjoy it, but other important things have taken center stage. That’s a nice lead in to my feelings on this. Triathlon is more fun to me now (at 50) than it was at 35.  The "other important things" you’re becoming concerned with are now in my past – I’ve reached a level in my business career that I’m comfortable with and don’t need to push that part of my life any more. One kid gets married in June, the other’s a junior in college and pretty independent. So we (my wife and I) can turn our attention to ourselves more. For me, that’s manifested itself in doing some Ironmans, building my dream model railroad layout, and generally buying some of the toys I put off getting because of braces, tuition, etc. I think I enjoy doing tri’s even more now, because I don’t feel any pressure to perform at any level other than to my own expectations. I don’t have to "profile" <grin or have the latest equipment, or tri-toys.  I think I told someone (Eric Weiss? last year at IMC that it had to be a lot less stressful for me to be at IMC than all those young kids. Hell, just being there at 50 was pretty dog-gone good.  No-one looked at a skinny old guy with a gray beard anyway, so I had a blast watching all the kids doing their thing.  And it’s the same way at local races.  I love just being there among all those great athletes, enjoying the fun of doing something so physical.  Few of my peers can even conceive of being able to do something like that. But to me it’s just a part of my life – something I do without a second thought. Of course, I *CAN* do a little profiling of my own now at the local races. That IMC finisher’s shirt does draw a few glances. <THAT skinny old guy’s an Ironman?!? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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Iron Pete "I’m starting the graying process already" Priolo

Graying ain’t SH*T!!!  Wait until the day you measure yourself and find out your getting shorter. And for you other wiseguys, that’s HEIGHT I’m talking about. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Rick "Someday I may grow up to be as young as Ruth" Denney

"But I was so much older then; I’m younger than that now."     Bob Dylan

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The vice-president of our department plays basketball everyday at lunchtime.  He just turned 50.  This year his noontime buddies signed up as an inter-mural team.  The youngest of them is over 40.  All of the other teams are made up of young college students. So far their record is 4-1.  Their only loss was to last years league champions.  Some people don’t even need age groups to be competetive. L:arry

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It’s funny how age is: As a person who admits to having a mid-life crisis at 20 years old in college, I’m finally coming to terms with this aging thing. I’ll be "aging up" to the 30-35 age group in June, and I’ve given this matter some considerable thought. I came up with the result that I needed to retain that little kid in me in order to be very happy, and that as long as I retain that little kid inside me, I will continue to be as happy as I am now, even when I start to enter the senior years in the future. People who have met me or known me know exactly what I am talking about when they see it in my personality and in what I do. For instance, I see a lot of people so deeply engrossed in work that they actually tend to neglect their families. And then when they finally realize what they were doing, most of the time it is too late. My former boss is one that comes to mind, choosing work over family when I came into the picture. It was the beginning of the year that he had a startling realization. He went to California to see his folks when that flu bug was hitting hard, and during his stay there, his father came down with the flu. When the flu hits someone that is 80 something, and can be real serious. His father went to the hospital for a couple of days  to stave off this bug. He then told me that that was when he realized how old his parents really are and how he missed a lot of time together. He mentions going back to California again to see his folks, stating that the times that they will have together all of a sudden feels a lot shorter than it had been. There is also a change in him with his immediate family, talking about taking his son to go golfing with him and actually taking some days off to spend time with him. I think he finally understands the value of Well, the morale is, try to enjoy every day of your life, keep that little kid in you alive, and you will live a fulfilling life. Triathlon is the main means of keeping me young inside. Remember, work can wait.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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… I have an understanding of the age of many of the rst posters.  Your age depends totally on your words, unrelated to the color of your hair, and I think it is more accurate than your visual age.   I know Jason is almost as old as Mosi, and Rick’s wisdom can only come from someone of Methuslah’s generation, while Brian

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Does anyone have some familiarity with this event ?  I would like to do some longer distance (1/2 IM) races close to home and this one seems to fit the bill. Regards, DR

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Does anyone have some familiarity with this event ?  I would like to do some longer distance (1/2 IM) races close to home and this one seems to fit the bill. Regards, DR

DR – If you like hills, then this is the course for you — especially if you are training for Ironman USA.  The bike course has a long (but beautiful) climb from the Hudson River up to the Ashokan Reservoir.  The roads are all in great shape and the descent back down to the river helps you recover for the run. The first 1.5 miles of the run is killer — 10%+ grade.  The remaining 11.5 miles is rolling. The New York Triathlon Club does a great job organizing this race and the people who live in the area come out to support you. Good luck and have fun. Mark

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David, I did this race two years ago.  The course was altered slightly last year. Anyway, it is a hilly, beautiful race.  Two years ago it was unbelievably hot. I loved it.  The community really comes out to support the race.  I must have saw a million police cars, ambulances, fire personel, etc.  Part of the run goes through a residential neighborhood.  The kids set up their own aid stations and cheer you on.  A real home town feeling to this race. Another 1/2 IM in the same vicinity is Tipper Lake.  Last year it was a week after Hudson Valley.  I did Hudson Valley and had a fabulous time.  Another race with the hometown feel.   Since Tupper lake is only 20 miles from Lake Placid, my guess is that several people will go to Tupper Lake to get an idea of what Lake Placid will be like. You cannot go wrong with either choice. Eric Weiss – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have some familiarity with this event ?  I would like to do some longer distance (1/2 IM) races close to home and this one seems to fit the bill. Regards, DR

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Of interest, from "Extreme Tri" (http://www.extremetri.com/news/980902-hula.html) "ITU president Les McDonald has told the media at Lausanne for the World Championships that the ITU is holding open an option to award the ITU World Long Course Championship to the Hawaii Ironman in the year 2000! The race would fall just weeks after the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games!" Joseph C. Foster "The mind of man is capable of anything – because everything is in it, all the past as well as all the future. What was there after all? Joy, fear, sorrow, devotion, valour, rage – who can tell? – but truth – truth stripped of its cloak of time." Joseph Conrad

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Les MacDonald spent a lot of time looking over his shoulder, last week, in Lausanne. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"ITU president Les McDonald has told the media at Lausanne for the World Championships that the ITU is holding open an option to award the ITU World Long Course Championship to the Hawaii Ironman in the year 2000! The race would fall just weeks after the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games!"

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Of interest, from "Extreme Tri" (http://www.extremetri.com/news/980902-hula.html) "ITU president Les McDonald has told the media at Lausanne for the World Championships that the ITU is holding open an option to award the ITU World Long Course Championship to the Hawaii Ironman in the year 2000! The race would fall just weeks after the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games!"

I’ve got a real problem with this, though anyone who remembers my post advocating  arson of Les’ lawn furniture may be surprised.  I reckon IMH should be the triathlon world championship, but that it should not be the long distance ITU world championship.  Anything to do with that mob sucks. Hawaii should be the world Ironman Championship. I realise that this creates a problem for most people who do the races for the buzz that it gives them, but quite honestly qualifying wouldn’t change that much.  All that it’d do is get rid of the lottery (sorry TriBaby, but not being American, I think it sucks -whinge, whinge) and open the race to more non-Americans. As it stands, Hawaii is really the American Ironman, and that situation needs to be remedied.  What bout making wildflower an Ironman and making it into the American Ironmanand the American qualifier for the Ironman world championships? I’m not trolling, I’m just interested (and a little petulant – to do IMH at the moment, qualifying in Australia, I’d have to do a 9:17 or so – good luck) to see what other people think. A;

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I don’t get it.. "Long Course" is around the 1/2-IM mark isn’t it ?? Usually something like: 2-80-20 The IM is an "Ultra Course" as far as I was aware. So what’s the deal — a second race?? — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of interest, from "Extreme Tri" (http://www.extremetri.com/news/980902-hula.html) "ITU president Les McDonald has told the media at Lausanne for the World Championships that the ITU is holding open an option to award the ITU World Long Course Championship to the Hawaii Ironman in the year 2000! The race would fall just weeks after the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games!" Joseph C. Foster "The mind of man is capable of anything – because everything is in it, all the past as well as all the future. What was there after all? Joy, fear, sorrow, devotion, valour, rage – who can tell? – but truth – truth stripped of its cloak of time." Joseph Conrad

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Of interest, from "Extreme Tri" (http://www.extremetri.com/news/980902-hula.html) "ITU president Les McDonald has told the media at Lausanne for the World Championships that the ITU is holding open an option to award the ITU World Long Course Championship to the Hawaii Ironman in the year 2000! The race would fall just weeks after the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games!"

Personally, I would just as soon the ITU stays the hell away from IMH.   Just my $.02, of course. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o

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Mike Gilmore, I know you’re lurking, I am in complete agreement with Tricia. Cathy Corning – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I would just as soon the ITU stays the hell away from IMH.  

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I’m sure there may be an upside to this for IMH and WTC, it is just that I can’t see it clearly.  First reaction of "no way don’t do it you will only taint the tradition" currently clouds all perspective.  Given that they (ITU and WTC) have kissed and made up for the good of the sport, this should have been expected.

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Hi. Can someone *clarify* for me all the ways to qualify for IMH?? As far as I know they are: 1) Race a domestic qualifier…basically win your age group!! 2) Race an *official* Ironman distance race…pick up one of the slots available in your age-group. Outside of this, how does the LOTTERY work?? How do you sign up, and what are the odds of getting a slot this way?? Thanks, Bryan Maxwell IMC ‘91 Bryan Maxwell MS2, The University of Health Sciences at Kansas City, College of Osteopathic Medicine

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Hi. Can someone *clarify* for me all the ways to qualify for IMH?? As far as I know they are: 1) Race a domestic qualifier…basically win your age group!! 2) Race an *official* Ironman distance race…pick up one of the slots available in your age-group. Outside of this, how does the LOTTERY work?? How do you sign up, and what are the odds of getting a slot this way?? Thanks, Bryan Maxwell IMC ‘91

Bryan:      Both of the choices you have down is right. In order to be more specific, there is an annual magazine from Inside Triathlon that is dedicated to qualifying in Kona. I think it mentions the lottery also.      The lottery…I don’t know the address of where to get an application, but I remember it’s quite easy to get. Anyway, if you want to participate in the lottery next year, be sure to get an application next January and mail it out by March 1. Of course you need to pay the enormous fee that goes with applying ($200+), but most of that (minus a processing fee) is refunded back if you don’t make the lottery.      The lottery is held May 1 and you will know soon afterward if you’re in. The Ironman holds extra slots for Passport members, which means you have to pay an extra $50 if you want a chance at those slots. When you receive the application, it’ll all be there. Just follow the instructions and you’re in! Iron Pete Professional Rumor-Monger At Large Sub 10 hour IMC’97

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get –<snip–

I regularly keep late hours and must be in class by 7:15am each day.  So am training for me means _early_ training.  I’m just like the rest of you, I love it after the first mile…if I ever get past the front door! As a triathlete, I tend to train alone much of the time, but one thing that used to work for me was a training partner (actually I was on a team in college–lots of training partners).  If all else has failed you, try this.  It’s good motivation and committing to someone that you’ll "be there" might be the ticket. Richard Richard Wagers Parker College of Chiropractic Through education I learn to do by choice what other men do by constraints of fear.                         –Aristotle

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Brian, I’ve been doing the same routine as you for a long time now! but unlike you I have coffee. I log onto the network and surf and read for 1/5 hour or more and then hit the roads with anywhere from 3 to 6 miles or ride 20-30! Glad to hear I’m on the right track! Jeff Andres

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

Motivation.  Personally I’m not a very a very motivated person at 6am and so prefer to train in the afternoon or early evening.  However I’ll occassionally train in the AM because I’m motivated to do so because: 1. Its usually a little safer to ride in the morning 2. The tri-club bike ride on a Sunday morning stops at the cake shop that makes     fantastic bluebery muffins and expresso coffee’s 3. Its 6am and my training partner (who woke up with the idea that I’m not     training enough and that I should go on an early morning run with him) is     bashing on the door like a Norse Warrior trying to ransack a castle. 4. The wife wants the car for the day and I have to ride to work. AJ — Simon Haigh, Information Consultant – Web Services Group     BHP Information Technology                                 151-155 King Street Warrawong NSW 2502, AUSTRALIA        

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Here is what I did: When my Wife quit her job to go back to school, I decided to get up with her they we will drive together. The only problem is that she gets up at 6:30. The first month it was hard, I mean morning, lunchtime or evening workout was hard… But I got used to it. It has been now 2 years since we started doing that and I even get uyp early during the week end. WHAT (I heard screaming…) Yes, I sleep in until 8:30 then workout during the week ends. The trade off is that if you had a social life, it’s over since you need 9 hours of sleep… Who is the trigeek who’s got a social life anyway? Social life is during workouts and after races, right? The big advantage is that when you have a race in the morning and you have to wake up at 4am to get there, you sleep only 7 hours instead of 9, and you are used to get to bed early! Of yeah, I forgot… I love that life style. Right now in Seattle, it is in the 80s at lunch time, so I run at 7:00, there is nobody and it is cooler… — fabien "ZeBigFrenchMan" For the joy of Triing

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When I do a morning workout I arrive at work about 1-1 1/2 hours early and bike or run from there.  If you don’t have shower facilities at your work this wont work (that is unless your coworkers like the smell of B.O.) Bring something easy to eat after your body cools down, bagels work great!                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / Tri-On The only legal draft should come from hops and barley. WEB (Robert Webster) Waukegan, IL

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!?

It is 5:59 am, and I am just finishing up reading RST. On Saturday and Sunday, I always start with reading email and rst before working out at 6:30. Makes it easier to get out of bed, let’s the body wake up. I like OJ instead of coffee, but that gets to do its job too. Try it. Brian Sullivan

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: I know exactly how you feel.  ’Early morning’ for me is anything before : noon.  I set out my gear the night before and put it on immediately after : the first buzzer.  The key for me is ‘absolutely no thinking until I’m out : the door’.  If I think about whether I’d rather sleep or train — sleep : wins until it’s too late to do anything but train.  ;-) Exactly.  However, I’ve had the good fortune for the last year to work 1-10pm.  This lets me get up when I want to (8-9am) and still get in a solid morning of training.  Hard to train after a hard day of work, but not nearly as hard to "work" after a hard morning of training.  ;-) — Jason Mayfield     Arlington, VA http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa Sick & Twisted Site of the Day: http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa/sick.html "Do or do not, there is no ‘try’"  - Yoda     14 Days Until Ironman Canada

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

I am a night person so I have a hell of a time making it to those early morning weekend swims, especially when I do the quick math underneath the flannel sheets and figure out that water temp. < air temp!! About 6 months ago I wanted to start getting some workouts in the morning so I wouldn’t have to back-to-back stuff after work.  I was actually anal retentive enough to sit down and figure out why I never got my fuzzy butt out of bed early enough.   Here’s what I came up with, maybe you fit it here too… 1) Not enough sleep.  We triathletes somehow think we can squeeze all of those training hours in and still do everything that "normal" people do!  This may include family time, tv, hanging out w/ friends, doing errands, etc.  I need a solid 7 hours and I find that after training and doing all of the other stuff, I’m going to bed way too late.  Even midnight is too late to get enough sleep and still squeeze a morning workout in. 2) Caffeine.  I’ve found that I usually consume this great stuff in some form either at dinner, coffee shops or just hanging around in the evening.  I don’t get wired from it (I *don’t* have a problem, really!) but it does keep me from feeling tired when I should be. 3) Late swim workouts.  Our evening pool time is 7-9 and no matter how tired I am before the workout, I find myself bouncing off of the walls for at least a couple of hours afterwards.  Cycling and running don’t have this effect but swimming does.   Since I don’t have a choice of times to swim during the week, I avoid scheduling morning workouts the day after being in the pool.   Happy training, Scott

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|No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout |before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out |the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely |make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, |setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any |"non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself |to get out there in the predawn!? I know exactly how you feel.  ’Early morning’ for me is anything before noon.  I set out my gear the night before and put it on immediately after the first buzzer.  The key for me is ‘absolutely no thinking until I’m out the door’.  If I think about whether I’d rather sleep or train — sleep wins until it’s too late to do anything but train.  ;-) Another trick is to workout twice a day, morning and evening.  I do run or bike in the morning and soccer + swim in the evening, though I usually skip run or bike on soccer days. – Tim Iverson

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!?

I hate waking up at 5AM!  But it’s a necessity while training for an Ironman race (need to get those double workouts).  Plus I can’t workout at night because I’m too tired by the time I get home.   My Motivation Tool:  Guilt Trips!  Every time that alarm clock goes off at 5:15AM and I want to skip an 8 mile run, I tell myself that I will live to regret it during the 19th mile of the marathon.  If I don’t finish it’s all because I skipped that run on Tuesday, August 6th (yeah it was a recent guilt trip). Good Luck (plus it always helps getting a good night sleep). Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Florida

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I am thinking about doing my first marathon in 2 weeks.  My last long run will be about a 19 miler next week. I am concerned about this distance not being long enough before doing a marathon. I have completed many half marathons and about 6 half-ironmans. Being  a triathlete my  weeks of training are divided up between the 3 sports. Any  advice would be appreciated. I would like to do this early season marathon as part of my training for ironman Canada in August. Thanks, Tom Senff

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I am thinking about doing my first marathon in 2 weeks.  My last long run will be about a 19 miler next week. I am concerned about this distance not being long enough before doing a marathon. I have completed many half marathons and about 6 half-ironmans. Being  a triathlete my  weeks of training are divided up between the 3 sports. Any  advice would be appreciated. I would like to do this early season marathon as part of my training for ironman Canada in August. Thanks, Tom Senff

You sound like you’re in pretty good shape.  A 19 miler should be enough.  That was the longest distance I ran while training for my first marathon – I had no problems finishing. Bud McMahon Sonoma, CA

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I am thinking about doing my first marathon in 2 weeks.  My last long run will be about a 19 miler next week. I am concerned about this distance not being long enough before doing a marathon. I have completed many half marathons and about 6 half-ironmans. Being  a triathlete my  weeks of training are divided up between the 3 sports. Any  advice would be appreciated. I would like to do this early season marathon as part of my training for ironman Canada in August. Thanks, Tom Senff

Tom: If you’re anywhere near the fitness level you were at for a Half-Ironman, you shouldn’t have any real difficulty doing the marathon – altho the two are quite different critters. I’ve done both, too. The marathon is much more punishing on the legs and replenishing is harder (you don’t have the bike leg to stoke up on). My usual advice for first time marathoners  - go out self-consciously slower for the first mile, then settle into a comfortable pace. Don’t let the adrenaline and excitement cause you to go out too fast. You will regret it later. Have fun and let us know how it went. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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I’ve never found my morning hr to be consistently lower than my resting hr. Often I can get my hr a beat or two lower in the afternoon than it was in the morning just after waking.

Yes.  Also your resting HR is lower still in the evening.  Mine is about 5bpm less than upon waking. Ian — "Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he was sane he had to fly them.  If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to."  –  Joseph Heller

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One more thing: there is resting heart rate and then there is waking heart rate. … The Triathlon Log (don’t remember the authors, but it has a guy on a while Kestrel 4000 on the cover) suggest using the difference between the two to see if you’re overtraining…

So what would be a sign that you were overtraining – did they list specific numbers?  Just curious. Thanks, allie

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I have found that my waking HR is also higher than my evening resting HR. I think part of the problem is that when the alarm clock slaps me out of a sound sleep, my HR probably jumps a bit.  I am currently using my evening HR as my resting HR.  I can’t see running my heart monitor all night to get a single reading first thing in the morning.

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(sorry, my news reader lost the old thread) One more thing: there is resting heart rate and then there is waking heart rate. Waking HR is what you get when you just open your eyes and have not even made the swift movement to sweep the alarm clock off the nightstand and on to the floor Resting HR is just after you got out of bed.  It is of course somewhat higher than Waking HR. The Triathlon Log (don’t remember the authors, but it has a guy on a while Kestrel 4000 on the cover) suggest using the difference between the two to see if you’re overtraining…

 I’ve never found my morning hr to be consistently lower than my resting hr. Often I can get my hr a beat or two lower in the afternoon than it was in the morning just after waking.  I wonder if anyone else has also experienced this phenomenon?

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(sorry, my news reader lost the old thread) One more thing: there is resting heart rate and then there is waking heart rate. Waking HR is what you get when you just open your eyes and have not even made the swift movement to sweep the alarm clock off the nightstand and on to the floor Resting HR is just after you got out of bed.  It is of course somewhat higher than Waking HR. The Triathlon Log (don’t remember the authors, but it has a guy on a while Kestrel 4000 on the cover) suggest using the difference between the two to see if you’re overtraining… Kostya Vasilyev                    Symantec Corp. Development Tools Do not seek to follow                           swim-bike-run     in the footsteps of the wise;                  swim-bike-run Seek what they sought.                                swim-bike-run     — Basho

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