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I am hoping to enter my first Olympic length triathlon soon at the age of 40 what times should I be aiming for each discipline so as not to look silly?

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No one looks "silly" in a tri. Unless you run like a geek. Times?- maybe you should just go out and do your best and finish, and then take that time into the next race.

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what times should I be aiming for each discipline so as not to look silly?

Swim all the swim, bike all the bike, run all the run, you win! Ken Mc

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No one who finishes a tri looks silly! Just finishing is a great accomplishment. I’ve only done 2 this year for my first season and was glad to finish. I’ll worry about time improvement down the road. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am hoping to enter my first Olympic length triathlon soon at the age of 40 what times should I be aiming for each discipline so as not to look silly?

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Can you give us a little more to go on? Maybe add 10% to what you have done (or predict you could do) in each event individually. Are to infer that this is your first tri? or you’ve done only sprints? For *running*, I believe you add 10% to your pace as the distance doubles. That is; if you run 5K at 20 min, you can predict your 10k at 42 minutes). There are actually much more complicated, scientifically based, peer reviewed methods for prediction, but this should do for your first race. For triathlon, add another 5-10% (more if you’re not "fit," less if you’re an elite) to account for the other events. Of course, if you question was to only avoid looking silly, just remember to take off your wetsuit (if wearing one) before the bike and your helmet before the run and you’ll do fine. Also, if you’re worried about being slow, check with the race director for any cutoff times. IMHO, anyone who gets out and runs a race with all their might is inspiring. To be honest, the only people I ever thought looked silly were some of the elites, dressed in all kinds of funky looking "fast" stuff. –stv I am hoping to enter my first Olympic length triathlon soon at the age of 40 what times should I be aiming for each discipline so as not to look silly?

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I like this answer! I’m doing my first tri in September (39 female) and will aspire to this end!! jojo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what times should I be aiming for each discipline so as not to look silly? Swim all the swim, bike all the bike, run all the run, you win! Ken Mc

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In my opinion that is probably because ESPN wanted to use the ESPYs to promote, as much as possible, the high revenue earning sports as much as possible.  Since triathlons, especially the Ironman, are not regularly broadcast on ESPN I guess the channel’s executives felt that they were justified in not mentioning Mark Allen, Paula Newby Frasier, of any other triathlon legend during the broadcast. Furthermore, I suppose if Mark Allen was a football or basketball player he would have received much more coverage on ESPN. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was not surprised but I was disappointed that no mention of any Ironman Hall of Famer was mentioned as any type of athlete of the decade.  Any comments?

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I was not surprised but I was disappointed that no mention of any Ironman Hall of Famer was mentioned as any type of athlete of the decade.  Any comments?

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I was disappointed, but understand that in sport it is current current current except for the Olympic world I was not surprised but I was disappointed that no mention of any Ironman Hall of Famer was mentioned as any type of athlete of the decade.  Any comments?

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I was disappointed, but understand that in sport it is current current current except for the Olympic world

Yes, much like the shameful way the NFL changed their stat recording so that ‘all-time’ records only go back 15 yrs or something like that. Just a dodge to make some of the current players be the ‘all-time’ NFL leaders in certain stats, so that they can sell more seats, more tv time . . . TriathRon ‘the American Way’ Gilcreast

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Mark, Keep it slow and eventually you will feel the need to increase the distance and speed. That will naturally occur as your body continues to lose weight and tones up. Don’t try to push the pace too early. I initially used to walk/run then started running , however I wrongly used to run HARD all the time and was constantly aquiring various injuries. Now I favour slow longer runs and although I still get some injury problems within 2 years I have progressed from short 2.5k – 4k runs to regular 1/2 & Full Marathons as well as recently completing my first ironman Triathlon. Through planning and sensible training I can now run hard throughout a 1/2 marathon and you will too if that is your eventual goal. Take your time watch your calorie intake, plan to slowly increase your training schedule, and eventually you will reap the rewards. Keep it up. Wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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I would try to rase your heart rate to 140 bpm.  I have heard that that is the best average HR for loosing weight.  But if if I would just do what works if the 140 bpm doesn’t help as much.  Good luck with your training. Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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        There is no best HR for losing weight.  Activity increase with mild food decrease=lost weight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would try to rase your heart rate to 140 bpm.  I have heard that that is the best average HR for loosing weight.  But if if I would just do what works if the 140 bpm doesn’t help as much.  Good luck with your training. Greg Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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It doesn’t matter what other people can do or what other people do. The faster pace will come with time. The most important thing that you see the results which in turn keeps you motivated to go out there and run more. Just make sure that as you get in a better shape you push yourself a little bit more, so that you could improve more and more. Konstantin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true.   Thanks    Mark.

Mark, At your present pace, wisdom and perseverance is on your side.  Don’t worry, you will get faster without trying.  If  you can keep the pace you’re keeping, you’ll be more motivated to continue your ongoing program for a couple of months until it becomes a habit that you find easy to do. You’ll also find that when you don’t run, you’ll not feel as good as when you do.   You are on the right pace at the right time at the right place.  Listen to your body is will tell you what to do once you’re ready to go to another level. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com

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Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks.

You have lots of company! (That’s exactly what I used to do when I’d try to start a running program–I’d work way too hard/fast and give up.) I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all.

That’s why they call it a "talking pace," i.e., the kind of running pace where you could comfortbly have a conversation. Nothing wrong with that, for what you’re hoping to accomplish. But, I feel sorta guilty

Don’t! or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.

So what?   I have dropped a few pounds even.

Wasn’t that the idea? Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?

Yes. It’s almost like it’s too good to be true.

No it’s not. Why do you think all the runners here get all googly-eyed when they write about their passion? Thanks Mark.

You’re welcome, and keep up the good work. Worry about adding speed as you grow more comfortable with your running workouts. Ultimately you’ll probably want to run out in the real world, with wind, hills, errant moterists, crummy weather and all those other inducements. But don’t be in such a hurry. You’re off to a great pace, so don’t worry, be happy. –Dirk

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Just a few personal observations: 1.  Fast/slow is entirely relative.  The important thing is that you’re doing a physical activity with some benefit for you. 2.  That begs the question:  are you running fast enough to do yourself some good?  Yep, without a doubt. 3.  The biggest mistake new runners make is trying to run too fast.  It’s much better, for at least the first year that you run, that you run slowly, but regularly. 4.  The bottom line in this or any workout program is that it should be one that you can do, will stick to, and will enjoy as much as possible. Get out there and run too slow.  For anybody not trying to qualify for a competitive team, there’s virtually no such thing as "running too slow".  Go slow… go long… just go.

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Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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        I’ll leave the fat burning myth alone this one time……         It sounds like you are more likely to stick with this new program which means it is better than the one that will have you giving up in a few weeks.  The earlier attempts probably were too intense for your level of conditioning at the time which may have led to the soreness.         As time goes on and you become more fit you will either have to increase the speed or increase the grade to maintain the same HR zone.         After 6 weeks of training, you might be able to add some higher intensity workouts which can increase the weight loss rate.         Good luck and stick with it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello. I have started running, I am running about 3-4 times a week at about 20 minutes a shot. I weigh about 225.  I am 31 and I am about 5-11  I have lots of muscle and lots of fat. Here is my problem. I used to try and run on a treadmill or even on the street and keep a pretty good pace. But, I would get so sore and miserable that I would hang it up after a couple of weeks. I just recently started jogging on a treadmill at a new atheletic club and I set it up for a fat burning program.  It had me jogging at a pace of 3.5 to 3.7 miles an hour with a heart rate of 123 – 127.  Okay… IT FEELS GREAT!  I can go forever at this pace and I don’t hurt at all. But, I feel sorta guilty or like I am slacking.  Most people can walk faster than I can jog.   I have dropped a few pounds even. Am I doing the right thing for a guy my size?  It’s almost like it’s too good to be true. Thanks Mark.

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Troy: For do-it-yourself bike fitting, I would recommend the article ‘Bike Fit’ that’s posted at the Colorado Cyclist website: http://www.coloradocyclist.com/ I would also recommend the article on bike fit for triathletes on the QR website: ?? http://www.rooworld.com/ ?? This article may be more difficult to find but it’s there. Regards, Kevin Mitchell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them (I’m going to look for a used bike as my first ride). Is there a reliable way (ie a website or someone willing to tell me) to gauge approximate bike size.  I’m male, 5′9" and 130lb. Also, I would like suggestions as to what might be a good starter bike ie. get a road bike and slap a pair of aero bars on for races, to get a tri bike etc.  I’ll need the bike for both training and racing since I don’t have another road bike to train on. Thanks a million, Troy Ketela

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: I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike : newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a : bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, : getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying : anything from them Hey Troy, Try to catch one of the Quintana Roo Road Shows now traveling the country. The specific purpose of the road show is bike fit.  There is no charge for the sizing or any of the seminar’s.  We are hosting the show in Northern Va. on March 27th.   It is defiantly worth the effort to try to catch one.  For more info on the show schedule hit the Quintana Roo web site or my web site at the following address.  I have a direct link to the Quintana Roo site.   Bud Bonzai web site      www.erols.com/bonzaisports      

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case-"but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them " You are buying a fit from them-if they do fits-range from $50-$125-well worth the money- Then to find that perfect used bike is gonna be tough, unless the seller knows the specifics of the bike- I think you would be better off getting a NEW bike-and not scurry around trying to make somebody else’s package work for you-at our shop-the fit is free if you buy a frameset or bike-and guaranteed to fit you- Fit Formulas are a place to start only- Peter

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I’m the manager of  shop in Roanoke, VA. If you came in and told me of your situation, I’d be happy to help give you some advice and basic fitting. Many good shops will do the same. Just be honest, and if they have the time, you may be surprised how accomodating they may be. Wes East Coasters, Roanoke, VA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them (I’m going to look for a used bike as my first ride). Troy: I think if you are honest and up front about your desire to purchase a used bike instead of a new bike with the LBS they would still be willing to help you at least figure out what size frame would work for you. I do that all the time with newbies that come into my store. An astute bike shop will be able to see the big picture and realize that although you may not buy a new bike from them right now, if you’re happy with their service, you’ll come back for other things and even perhaps a bike someday.

Exactly what I was gonna say.  Shops are smart enough to recognize the value of ‘investing’ in a potential future customer.  Be up front and honest. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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You’ll probably need around a 54 cm frame. The formula is inseam*0.665 to get a frame size. Another basic quick measurement is to straddle the top tube of the bike in the shop. A road bike should have a top tube/crotch clearance of about 1 inch, tri/TT bike less (for aero positioning).

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Sheldon Brown has an informative document on the subject at: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame_sizing.html His comments suggest that our former methods for sizing bikes have lost some credibility.  Frame height is not as crucial if the frame is smaller because longer seat posts and stems allow for a greater range of adjustment.  Top tube length can be compensated for by changing the handlebar stem. What this means to me is that if you are just concerned with a bike that has a tolerable fit, you can just check your clearance over the top tube.  If there’s not enough, don’t buy the bike.  If it’s more than adequate, you can still get a good fit by making some adjustments.  If you require a more precise fit, especially when you’re spending big bucks, your fit should be based on all of your measurements – not just your inseam. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’ll probably need around a 54 cm frame. The formula is inseam*0.665 to get a frame size. Another basic quick measurement is to straddle the top tube of the bike in the shop. A road bike should have a top tube/crotch clearance of about 1 inch, tri/TT bike less (for aero positioning).

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I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them (I’m going to look for a used bike as my first ride). Is there a reliable way (ie a website or someone willing to tell me) to gauge approximate bike size.  I’m male, 5′9" and 130lb. Also, I would like suggestions as to what might be a good starter bike ie. get a road bike and slap a pair of aero bars on for races, to get a tri bike etc.  I’ll need the bike for both training and racing since I don’t have another road bike to train on.

Troy, I would concur with the posts suggesting that you go to your LBS and tell them your situation. They may spend the few minutes required to take the basic measurements to help determine your "ideal" top tube and seat tube measurements. Top tube length is the key here, especially for triathlon. It is more difficult and expensive to change then seat tube because it involves changing stems and the range of acceptable stem lengths is not as broad as the range of acceptable standover heights (based on raising and lowering your seatpost/saddle height). Once you find a bike you think may work for you you can return to the shop for a fitting session (these usually need to be scheduled). The cost varries but it is well worth doing if the shop understands how to fit bikes for triathletes. The person selling you the bike may even let you do this before you commit to buying the bike so that you can make sure you are making a good decision. If you have trouble finding the support you need in Montreal give me a call (or email) and I will help you with the preliminary measurements over the phone. If you want to make a trip to Toronto later on we can schedule a fit to help dial-in your position. Dan Rishworth Enduro Sport – Your Multi-Sport Pro Shop 1.800.448.4678 http://www.endurosport.com

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I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them (I’m going to look for a used bike as my first ride). Is there a reliable way (ie a website or someone willing to tell me) to gauge approximate bike size.  I’m male, 5′9" and 130lb. Also, I would like suggestions as to what might be a good starter bike ie. get a road bike and slap a pair of aero bars on for races, to get a tri bike etc.  I’ll need the bike for both training and racing since I don’t have another road bike to train on. Thanks a million, Troy Ketela

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I’m a runner thinking about moving into du/tri this year.  I’m a total bike newbie so I have a few questions.  I know the best way to get fitted for a bike is to go to a shop, but I feel a little bad about going to a shop, getting the personel to help me with the full intention of not buying anything from them (I’m going to look for a used bike as my first ride).

Troy: I think if you are honest and up front about your desire to purchase a used bike instead of a new bike with the LBS they would still be willing to help you at least figure out what size frame would work for you. I do that all the time with newbies that come into my store. An astute bike shop will be able to see the big picture and realize that although you may not buy a new bike from them right now, if you’re happy with their service, you’ll come back for other things and even perhaps a bike someday. (snip remainder of post) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks a million, Troy Ketela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah!  the Aussies are great!!! Stroke-Stroke, Pat-Pat, Yaawwwn. It seems that the 2 best Veteran Aussies who really race real triathlons love to live in the U.S.; can  you blame them? It seems all the other up and coming Aussies are content doing the Draftathons with weaker fields.  They seem to be the ones supporting the ITU 10k’s the most. What a shame….cherry picking! You’ll see most of the up and coming US Pro’s with integrity for the sport at the real Triathlons. Don’t stew Stew, I appreciate all Triathletes, from all countries, that support real Triathlons including Greg and Michellie. Gregg Yeah, OK, so my patriotism does get the better of me sometimes – point taken. Greg Thompson – my apologies to you, especially since you spend time here on r.s.t Racing right up there with guys like Welchy and the Piggman must be a real thrill – something that most of us can only dream about! The fact that so many Aussies choose to race in the ITU series does annoy me, though. It would be nice to see them do as Michellie & Welchy have done, and make a stand against drafting. Even if they just ‘crossed over’ to the Bray brothers series – that would leave the ITU with virtually no big names – take away Miles Stewart, Emma Carney, Craig Walton, Chris McCormack, Greg Bennett, etc – and who do they have left. I know it’s not pure triathlon, but it would most likely mean that as well as doing the ITGP series, they might race some of the other great non-ITU events out there – Now that would be great to see! Stew Canberra, ACT AUSTRALIA Aiming for Ironman Australia ‘98

Allright Stew! Sorry I came down so hard but the ITU thing is a sore spot with me. I don’t like there tactics even more than I dislike how they are attempting to change the sport.  Also I have been coaching Thompson, and I will tell you he is a modest guy who will show his stuff on the race course…bigtime.  You won’t find him boast it… but I will.  He is the only up and coming American that has just started to tap his potential for racing with the big guns.  He can swim like Lessing, bike like Pigg or Smith, and run like Welchy, and he’s only 23 years old.  But  I give all the those guys tons of respect because they have earned it, and are consistant.  Hopefully Thompson will gain that same respect with several years of great racing. There are some outstanding Austalian Athletes racing these days.  I also would like to see them perform outside the ITU more, and hone there skills going hard on the bike instead of "sitting in".  Unfortunately, I have heard rumors of $$$ incentives being paid by the ITU to athletes outside of prize money and expenses, to race the series.  It seems the ITU wants to own the sport and everyone in it.  Hopefully, some of the top Aussies will break away and race for pride in big non-draft races. It would be nice to see some Up and coming Aussie’s hone there skills to compete with the Germans in Ironman races.   Best regards Gregg Trent

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where are all of the up & coming young US racers? How about Barb Lindquist and that Greg Thompson guy?

Greg, Haven’t you learned?  The only way up and coming pros get recognized in the US is to win Wildflower (ala Peter Reid and Cameron Widoff). 8^) Congrats to you (and Barb!) on your great races at Alcatraz. Todd Jensen

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Are full results available anywhere?  I have a friend who was racing and I want to see how she did! Try-athlete Paul

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah!  the Aussies are great!!! Stroke-Stroke, Pat-Pat, Yaawwwn. It seems that the 2 best Veteran Aussies who really race real triathlons love to live in the U.S.; can  you blame them? It seems all the other up and coming Aussies are content doing the Draftathons with weaker fields.  They seem to be the ones supporting the ITU 10k’s the most. What a shame….cherry picking! You’ll see most of the up and coming US Pro’s with integrity for the sport at the real Triathlons. Don’t stew Stew, I appreciate all Triathletes, from all countries, that support real Triathlons including Greg and Michellie. Gregg

Yeah, OK, so my patriotism does get the better of me sometimes – point taken. Greg Thompson – my apologies to you, especially since you spend time here on r.s.t Racing right up there with guys like Welchy and the Piggman must be a real thrill – something that most of us can only dream about! The fact that so many Aussies choose to race in the ITU series does annoy me, though. It would be nice to see them do as Michellie & Welchy have done, and make a stand against drafting. Even if they just ‘crossed over’ to the Bray brothers series – that would leave the ITU with virtually no big names – take away Miles Stewart, Emma Carney, Craig Walton, Chris McCormack, Greg Bennett, etc – and who do they have left. I know it’s not pure triathlon, but it would most likely mean that as well as doing the ITGP series, they might race some of the other great non-ITU events out there – Now that would be great to see! Stew Canberra, ACT AUSTRALIA Aiming for Ironman Australia ‘98

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A quick summary of the winners, sorry no accurate times yet. 1. Greg Welch (Australia)          1. Michellie Jones (Australia) –1:30 to 2:00min.–               2. Barbara Linquist (USA)                                    3. Sue Latshaw (USA)   2. Mike Pigg (USA)                 –10 secs– 3. Greg Thompson((USA) Greg Thompson  passed 7 racers and took control of the bike 2 miles into the bike course.  With 3 miles left of the bike course it was Thompson in front with Welch and Pigg about 10 secs back.   Out of transition onto the run, Thompson, Welch and Pigg were neck and neck.  Thompson surged ahead, but was answered by Welch who pulled out in front of Pigg and Thompson to take control of the front position. Thompson and Pigg went back and forth dukeing it out throughout the whole run.  Pigg got ahead of Thompson with 3 miles left of the 8 mile run on a narrow single track that kept Thompson on his heals.  With 1 mile left Welch was ahead by 1:30 with Pigg in 2nd and Thompson holding a strong 3rd only 5 seconds behind Pigg and they both were flying.  They finished with about the same; Welch, Pigg, Thompson. Barbara Linquist came out of the water with the lead men, with Michellie in second 2:30 back.  Linquist held strong on the bike, and onto the run in first place with Jones 1:30=2:00 min. back.  Jones took the lead near the halfway point onthe run, but Linquist held strong and finished only about 1:30 behind Jones.  Sue Latshaw was a distant 3rd. The BAT (Bay Area Triathlon) Team all had excellent top ten performances: Greg Thompson  3rd overall Pete Kain 7th or 8th overall Kevin Joyce    10th overall Holly Nybo     5th overall Nancy Vallance 6th overall Lauren Alexander…cheering for her teammates on the sidelines following a first place performance at the Maizuru International Duathlon in Japan. Look for these 6 top Athletes to be racing well nationally and internationally.

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1. Greg Welch (Australia)          1. Michellie Jones (Australia) –1:30 to 2:00min.–               2. Barbara Linquist (USA)                                    3. Sue Latshaw (USA)   2. Mike Pigg (USA)                 –10 secs– 3. Greg Thompson((USA) Pigg placed second – where are all of the up & coming young US racers?

Up and coming… -Rolf — Call me IronMac …                         … I tri …                                          … I prefer Macintosh! IMC ‘94 – 14:06:47   IMC ‘95 – 11:58:35    IMC ‘97 – 10:45:00

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        Thanks for the awesome play-by-play reporting.  It felt like I was watching the race (I volunteered at waterstop #2, but they went by so fast…).  Speaking of race coverage, I heard that they were going to air the race sometime.  Anyone know the date, time, and station?                                                                 -Tom

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where are all of the up & coming young US racers?

How about Barb Lindquist and that Greg Thompson guy?  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A quick summary of the winners, sorry no accurate times yet. 1. Greg Welch (Australia)          1. Michellie Jones (Australia) –1:30 to 2:00min.–               2. Barbara Linquist (USA)                                    3. Sue Latshaw (USA) 2. Mike Pigg (USA) –10 secs– 3. Greg Thompson((USA) rest snipped How about those Aussies, eh? I guess this could tie in nicely to the thread(s) awhile ago re: Australian racers, and also to the thread about US racers. Pigg placed second – where are all of the up & coming young US racers?

Yeah!  the Aussies are great!!! Stroke-Stroke, Pat-Pat, Yaawwwn. It seems that the 2 best Veteran Aussies who really race real triathlons love to live in the U.S.; can  you blame them? It seems all the other up and coming Aussies are content doing the Draftathons with weaker fields.  They seem to be the ones supporting the ITU 10k’s the most. What a shame….cherry picking! You’ll see most of the up and coming US Pro’s with integrity for the sport at the real Triathlons. Don’t stew Stew, I appreciate all Triathletes, from all countries, that support real Triathlons including Greg and Michellie. Gregg

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A quick summary of the winners, sorry no accurate times yet. 1. Greg Welch (Australia)          1. Michellie Jones (Australia) –1:30 to 2:00min.–               2. Barbara Linquist (USA)                                    3. Sue Latshaw (USA)   2. Mike Pigg (USA)                 –10 secs– 3. Greg Thompson((USA)

rest snipped How about those Aussies, eh? I guess this could tie in nicely to the thread(s) awhile ago re: Australian racers, and also to the thread about US racers. Pigg placed second – where are all of the up & coming young US racers?

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Huge congratulations. I’m more than just a bit by your tenacity.

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<Good stuff about a first triathlon, rife with trauma and, on the whole, quite inspirational and uplifting. Huge congratulations. I’m more than just a bit impressed by your tenacity. The image of your wife and kids congratulating you at the end will stick with me. Congratulations to them, too. I know that they share in your triumph.

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I missed this rept. Tom could you please repost? Or just send me an email. Thanks! Brian Sullivan

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After several delays and rewrites, here is my race report submitted for your consideration (or flaming  ;-)  ). Although I like to think of Peterborough as my "first" Triathlon, it Background About 3 years ago, I decided to try to improve my fitness level after about 15 years of virtual inertia.  This past winter I decided that a good way to bring some focus into my training was to set a specific goal such that I could train towards.  In my case, I chose participation in the President’s Choice Triathlon Series, first in a "Super Sprint" in Guelph in June, and then a "Sprint" in Peterborough in August. The First Attempt The Guelph Tri was a disaster, but I learned a whole lot from it. While I had trained very hard in advance for this event, I blew it.  I did everything wrong that I could do wrong before racing.     o  caught a cold   o  worked till 2 AM the day before the race   o  did not eat enough before the triathlon   o  did not practice open water swimming in my wet suit   o  had one hellacious 2 hour car ride with 2 fighting children to       the race, really insuring maximum relaxation   o  started the swim leg right in the centre of the pack, and swam       way too fast to keep up and avoid getting killed As a result, after the swim leg (which by the way was less than 1/3 of my regular swim training distance) I was completely spent, felt dizzy and nauseated, and could not continue. After this humbling experience, I realize that I would have to change strategy in order to complete my goal. I spent a great deal of time over the next few weeks thinking about what had gone wrong, reading a great deal about triathlons (including many "first tri" reports on the Internet),   and planning how I was going to do things different the next time.  In short, I revised my entire training plan to focus 100% on the key tri elements, and did as much "real condition" training as possible. I also began to take pre-race preparation, mental, nutritional and physical a lot more seriously. To further bolster my confidence, I did a "dry run" the week before the race at a friend’s cottage.  The good news is that I was able to easily complete all 3 elements.  The bad news is that while bicycling I hit a patch of gravel and fell from my bike, cutting my knees and elbows and bruising my ribs.  While this did boost my confidence, it also did worry me as my ribs were too sore to allow me to swim the week before the race.   I only hoped I would recover in time for the race. The Race As the race was scheduled to start at 8 AM on a Sunday, I decided to travel to Peterborough the night before to avoid too early a start. In addition, I was also able to pick up my race kit the night before, and to check out the race location and routes.  The biking and running courses both turned out to be flat for the most part, with a couple of hills just to keep things interesting.  The swimming course went across a small lake called "Little Lake" directly down river from the lift locks.  I also had a chance to try my swimming out for the first time in over a week, and while it hurt a little I was able to swim pretty good. I was feeling confident and relaxed and headed out for a big feed of pasta. The Peterborough race is quite popular and attracted over 500 participants, so that the night before no matter where I went I met other triathletes.  Everyone was really friendly and supporting, and it was really great to speak with them and hear about their experiences and tips. I got up very early in the morning on race day and enjoyed a huge breakfast of macaroni and cheese. I drove to the race site to got setup.  As the time approached I put on my swimming gear and made my way to the beach.  In what seemed like a final cruel joke, just before the race began the race organizers announced that the lake had been declared unsafe for swimming the week before by the local Dept…. of Health!  The race was going to proceed as planned but we would be "swimming at our own risk" (no shit).  To top it off,  then a nurse from the Health Dept. got on the speaker and told us all what symptoms to watch out for during the race which would indicate critical exposure.  No one seemed too concerned, and the race began! The Swim My strategy here was to stay clear of the pack, start slow to get used to it, then build in speed as the race went on.  It worked; I was able to finish!!  :-) Swimming is my weakest event (as I found out).  I was able to maintain a front crawl the entire race.  However most of the swimmers in my wave blasted out ahead of me, and to my surprise I was passed throughout the race by bathing caps of all colours!  As I approached the shore I was convinced that I was certainly the last in my wave to finish, and probably one of the last swimmers.  To my surprise though, I saw there were 2 people from my wave swimming behind me!  Cool!   I felt pretty good after the swim, and I knew then that I would finish as biking and running were much stronger for me.  Little did I know what was waiting for me ahead…..   The Bike I had been spending a great deal of time training over rolling country roads for this event, and had been able to maintain a good cadence and speed of about 30 km/hr+ comfortably over a 20k ride.   As we rode off on our bikes, I found that all the training had paid off.  My hill climbing was good enough to pass most of the riders in front of me, and once in front my flat speed was able to keep me ahead.  Everything looked textbook until about the 8k mark when I hit a patch of gravel and blew out my rear tire!!!  ;-(   At first I could not even believe it had happened.  I pulled over to the side to check and there it was, and I didn’t have a spare tube or tools to change it.  I was in shock, and disbelief that I had come this far only to be stopped by this.  After a great deal of cussing, I figured that it was over, turned my bike around and started walking my way back to the park. I don’t know how, but then suddenly it occurred to me to continue.  I thought, "Hey, you’ve come too far to be stopped by this.  Just take it easy on the bike so that you don’t fall.  The worst that will happen is that you’ll ruin a wheel.  But, you’ll finish".  So that is exactly what I did.  It wasn’t pretty, and quite scary, but I was riding again!  Fortunately when I got to the turnaround point at the 10k point, a kind volunteer happened to have a spare tube and tool with him, and between the two of us we were able to repair my bike and get back to business. For the rest of the biking I was able to regain my speed and finish strong, although I figured that the blowout cost me about 15 minutes in total time.  After my experience I counted myself lucky to be finishing at all! The Run They say after the swimming and biking, the run is simply a case of "grin and bear it".  This pretty well sums up  my experience as well. I was able to run throughout the the race, while many others walked some of it.  In addition I was able to pass quite a few fellow athletes along the way.  Although the run seemed long, I knew that I was truly going to finish at that point,  and allowed myself to pick up the pace and finish strong. As I approached the finish line I could see my wife and kids cheering me on, and I flew across the finish line, with a not too shabby first time of 1:44. The Wrap-Up After the race, my wife and kids presented me a trophy commemorating my personal victory.  We took a ton of pictures, and then headed out for a huge lunch.  It was a great experience, one that I will cherish. It’s easy to second guess decisions that I had made, and to debate how much faster I could have gone over the various sections of the race. Looking back over the past few years of preparation, considering where I had come from and all of the barriers that I had to overcome to get as far as I did, I realize that I met my goal, and am very happy with my performance.   I am also really looking forward to the beginning of next season, and improving my overall ranking.   One final note: last weekend on a local TV station they ran a piece on Triathlons, and although I don’t remember it, apparently I was featured coming out of the bike transition and starting my run.  I didn’t see the program, but several of my friends told me about it. Does it get any better?  I think not!  ;-) Tom

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<snipped Then-they ruin it by looking around to see if any women are checking them out. The most attractive men are the ones who dont seem to be aware of their good looks-or who dont care who is noticing. I guess checking out from behind works both ways!! Allison

There’s a lot of "profiling" before a triathlon start, too. What’s most interesting is that the "hunks" showing off the big pecs, etc are almost always the also-rans and back-of-the-packers – if they finish. But they look great in their speedos, I guess. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

THAT’S PRETTY FUNNY! YOURS is a rare post I read and I was glad I did I had to chuckle.  We men all do it.  At the recent San Diego Marathon I got through 10 miles of it in a hipnotic state by following and daydreaming sexually about a woman running just ahead of me:  age 28 or so, gorgeous, tan, buxom, blonde, tall, muscular goddess of an athlete, dressed in a tiny halter top and tight, form fittin shorts.  We were going about 8 minute miles, and there was a whole pack of men following her.  She took off at mile 17 and I never saw her again. From, Another silently sexist male

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   This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose?

Calf muscles. The only trouble is there are now so many ahead of me to choose from. Ken I’m so glad you are here, it helps me to realize how beautiful my world is."  R. Ike

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

During a long run, say more then 10 miles, my libedo goes into overdrive. The more miles I go, the hornier I get. Has anybody else noticed this effect? Jack H.

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: I have a fascination with women with ponytails! : This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. : It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I agree, this certainly is a great look that appeals to me as well. : During a long run, say more then 10 miles, my libedo goes into overdrive. : The more miles I go, the hornier I get. Has anybody else noticed this : effect? : Jack H. I have, but only after easy training runs. After a hard session all I feel is pain. Al.

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Hi- This is no shock to me-being a woman runner I can say that I have seen many attractive men walk into my health club, and when I see them all sweaty working out-they somehow are more attractive. It is sort of sexy to see all that sweat. Then-they ruin it by looking around to see if any women are checking them out. The most attractive men are the ones who dont seem to be aware of their good looks-or who dont care who is noticing. I guess checking out from behind works both ways!! Allison

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Abhay Thatte while drooling writes: |   This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a Sound the bells, Abhay and I enjoy a similar past time.  There have been many times during races where the female in front was a pleasure to follow. One can  observe without the observee feeling like they are being lusted over. The mere fact that everyone in the race, regardless of their motivation of health, competition, etc, is basically fit, is a positive theme. If the person’s external is shapely(regardless of gender), it is a complement to take a look. Crawling on your knees, drooling and licking at someones  ankles is going overboard. As for parts of the anatonmy to stare at, well, that’s an age old topic. Again, regarless of gender, we all have some part that gets first glimse. The "what do you notice first in a woman/man"  can generate lots of responses. | year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women | runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first | thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose? I would have guessed the color of their veil. |   Okay, straight guys, when evaluating a spouse, would u rather go | with a princess with good looks but a plodder, or a track star who is | plain looking?  Nine times out of ten, the guy will go for the first | choice, and rightly so… Frankly I never consider leg speed a very important quality. It’s the mind thats has the highest value(insert a sheepish butt honest wink) | (heh…I’m sure many women admire *me* while I run…and that’s okay, Let’s not get carried away. Once they find out you’re a Baywatch fan, you go to the back of the line. — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

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Racing should be seriuos business. Butt…In training, at least sometimes,  its not how fast you run but who(m) you run behind…..These posts shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. Ever read the Hockomock Swamp Rat?

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I have a fascination with women with ponytails! This is strange, but something about an athletic woman with a ponytail. It has to be a short one that just reaches the top of a collar, no more. I feel better that I have shared this! I am a liberated male but have male chauvinistic tendencies!

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        This is a (very) legitimate and wholesome pasttime.  For about a year, I was admiring blondes.  Then suddenly, I became captivated by women runners with dark hair and good noses!  That’s right, that’s the first thing I look for, does this woman runner have the proper nose?         At races, I like the the whole package.  Good organization, proper traffic control, etc. are something the organizers are responsible for. Good weather, is in God’s hands.  But sharp looking women???  Who knows what goes on in their minds, they may descend in droves to a race in Podunk, and trot about daintily, so better to go there with esthetic senses on alert. Look, don’t leer.         Okay, straight guys, when evaluating a spouse, would u rather go with a princess with good looks but a plodder, or a track star who is plain looking?  Nine times out of ten, the guy will go for the first choice, and rightly so…         If u don’t appreciate female beauty at races, u need to get a life… NO PSEUDO WHIPPED MALE FEMINISTS!!! (heh…I’m sure many women admire *me* while I run…and that’s okay, too).

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Good luck, but remember, the Real Thing only happens out there, in dirty canals, on melting roads, in the sun…

Peter have you been training recently ? I suspect not. Maybe a health club is a good idea after all. Peter Kassenaar.

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they ARE fun… The club I was at in Chicago has one every Feb to get people going for the spring. They even have a couple decent prizes, which is outstanding considering its a very small field!   It really helped motivate workouts, and a few people worked together on technique, training and racing tips from more experienced people. Really helps you meet people you may want to train with outdoors later in the season. If you are in the western suburbs of Chicago, check out the Exercise Playce in the Oakbrook Tower. Membership is a little expensive, but the facilities are super. Dan

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Hey, this is an entire form of triathlon competition.  Haven’t your seen the ads for various YMCA indoor triathlons?  Sounds motivating.  Anyone do one of these?  Was it fun? Byron

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Hey, this is an entire form of triathlon competition.  Haven’t your seen the ads for various YMCA indoor triathlons?  Sounds motivating.  Anyone do one of these?  Was it fun?

Yes, I’ve done a number of Y sponsored triathlons. They are pretty fun, exclusively short sprint courses (in my experience). All I have done have been .25m swim indoor pool / 8-16m bike / 2-3.1m run. They differ from a ‘real’ triathlon in that they are much smaller in scope, attract a more local entrant base & are usually free (all the ones I have done were anyway).

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After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training until April.  Any suggestions? Hey, I thought I had that plan copyrighted!

Sorry Mike, But in the years 1991-1993 we had the official Dutch Indoor Triathlon championships. This race included: – 10 laps swim (250 m.) in a special built pool – 10 k. bike on a trainer – 2.5 k. run on a treadmill. I don’t know why this event wasn’t organized in 1994-now. Too bad, because it always was fun to watch the athletes ‘drop dead’ when they came off the treadmill (some of them actually showed a form of motion sickness *after* the run). The last male winner was the Dutchman Ron van de Pol with a total time of 22.02 min. (2.50-11.27-8.05) Personally I do not know athletes who practice their run-bike transitions only indoors. But IMHO this can be lacked to the ‘fear’ of dutch triathletes to go to a health club or fitness centre. It is not yet commonly accepted. Good luck, but remember, the Real Thing only happens out there, in dirty canals, on melting roads, in the sun… Peter Kassenaar. Peter Kassenaar (The Netherlands)

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After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.

All this rambling on media exposure, finally we have prove in our own discussion group. Somebody wants to start after all that sweat on the television! Cheer him up, don’t tell him what is to train. Yes, Yes, yes, go on. Continue in your helth club, do your laps in the whirl pool, run your repaets on the stairclimber. Yes, yes yes, we organize an indoor tri again. Relax in the sauna, afterwards, but don’t go out of that door, don’t get any fresh air, And maybe it is better to watch a few more before you decide to participate in a real one. Wouter

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Would be of great benefit, however the bike to run transition is infinitely more difficult than the swim to bike for most people.  Bike-Run workouts are often known as "bricks"  (don’t ask why, you’ll just stir up more controversy).  Many even do bike-run repeats.  No reason why they can’t be done on a lifecycle and a treadmill, either. Marty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training until April.  Any suggestions?

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After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training until April.  Any suggestions?

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After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training until April.  Any suggestions?

Hey, I thought I had that plan copyrighted! Actually, that’s sort of what I’m doing at our club, tho not every workout. <g I still run outside, but my every other day club workout involves a hard workout on the life cycle – in hill climbing mode, then 1/2 mile or a mile of easy/hard intervals on the indoor track, followed by the swim. I’ll probably  reverse that on occasion and do the swim first, but I found that if I delay, all the machines are full. Any suggestions about the value of that sort of workout would be welcomed here, too. When it warms up, I’ll shift to outside biking and (I guess) just swim inside. Haven’t got that far yet. Mike Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Advertise your race. FTP Race Apps, FAQ http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training until April.  Any suggestions?

Sounds good.  Also spend some time on the erg.  You want to be using the erg for endurance so aim for 20-30 minute sessions. Cheers, dt.  http://www.actrix.gen.nz/users/thomsond/index.html (home)  The NZ Triathlon Pages  http://www.actrix.gen.nz/users/thomsond/nztri.html

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 After watching several tri’s on ESPN this past year, I’ve decided that I am  going to give it a go this year.  My question is this—- I’ve heard so many  triathletes speak of the difficulty of transition, namely legs that just don’t  want to ride or run or whatever.  Would it be of any benefit for myself to  swim a thousand or so meters, then hop onto a lifecycle, and then onto a  treadmill?  With this lousy weather it doesn’t look like I’ll be outside training  until April.  Any suggestions?

Yes.  Its a great way to get used to the lead legs.  Besides, if you’re stuck inside anyway, what alternative do you have.? You don’t really have to triple, especially in the winter, but a swim/bike or bike/run day once a week will get you used to the feeling. |       Ray Plotecia            | |       Image Control           |

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Looking to start national club system with one in each Tri-Fed region (12). Need help locating contacts in big corporations to find sponsor. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a Hewlett Packard (HP) Boulder or San Diego that had club uniforms, travel money, and race performance cash bonuses? Francisco, CA 94118 or call (415) 379-9367. (no email account)

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Eric I have just started developing a National Triathlon Club Directory.  I’ve had a good deal of response from r.s.t., and am just now seeing my letter regarding the directory in a few publications.  I hope to have a significant list put together by the end of summer.  If you or anyone else would like to send info about any tri-clubs that you are aware of, please e-mail, or snail mail to Austin Triathletes, 1806A Ford St., Austin, TX 78704. Thanks Rick Margiotta

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I agree wholeheartedly that Team RST should be rather loosely organized   (or not organized at all?).  

[snip] I think it should be "just for fun" too … but … maybe while we’re all getting cool cheap goodies we could do something nice at the same time.  Just a proposal, but how about everyone kicking in an extra buck or five to give to Special Olympics. I guess I wouldn’t make it mandatory … But it may help us keep things in perspective. Of course it doesn’t have to be Special Olympics, we could vote again. tony

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This is sort-of like what the grateful dead newsgroups have. They mention a place that other newsgroup readers will be and anyone who wants to shows up. This is the type of informal association we should try to emulate. Cheers. Dave.

      Cooool!     We could call ourselves Triheads or something! Mike —

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I love the idea of team rst, club rst, whatever as a bunch of gratefil deadheads. that association should sooth the nerves of those who think this whole idea is a cia plot to enable trifed to infiltrate our minds and convince us to draft in age group races.

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Just a proposal, but how about everyone kicking in an extra buck or five to give to Special Olympics.

Good idea!!!! Ruth Kazez

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I agree wholeheartedly that Team RST should be rather loosely organized   (or not organized at all?).  I think it’s a great idea to enable RST’ers   to easily meet one another at the races, and get together before and   after a race.  The uniforms will certainly help, but remember that there   are a few exceptional athletes on RST that have sponsor(s) and   their own uniforms (anyone want to sponser me?!?)  Thus, I agree that if   you read and/or contribute to the threads here, then you should consider   yourself a member of Team RST!  I would hate to think that if hell forze   over and someone were actually gullible enough to sponser me that I could   no longer be a member.   Oh…I do plan to buy some RST "gear", particularly if it has some cool   slogan in Finnish. —   Marty Miller (aka The Noodle) Proprietor of "The Triathlete’s Web" http://iac.net/~miller/triathlon-home.html

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I agree with QRman, Trigal, Tridork, and the others who think the RST club should remain fairly unstructured, with no president/director/dues/etc. That way membership would be kept simple: read rec.sport.triathlon, buy the Team RST gear,and you’re in….

To keep the organizsation as informal as possible it should be that to be a cyber-member all you must do is read rec.sport.triathlon. Having to buy the merchandise seems too much like paying dues (it should be optional) …for that matter having to  pay for an internet connection may be also. I think it would be better to leave the idea of a "club" aside and consider R.S.T. to be a loose association of individuals who surf cyberspace and enjoy triathlons. One thing to help this along would be for people to talk about the races they plan to do, when they will arrive there and try to get together with other cyber-triathletes to talk face-to-face. This could be where any gear could be useful. But if we have that only people who buy the merchandise are "members" it goes against the whole point of R.S.T the newsgroup. If nothing else R.S.T will provide another person to give some support if you feel like your about to drop, especially if you have to travel to races and couldn’t bring anyone else to support you. This is sort-of like what the grateful dead newsgroups have. They mention a place that other newsgroup readers will be and anyone who wants to shows up. This is the type of informal association we should try to emulate. Cheers. Dave.

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