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Therefore, I like the sleeveless for sprint distances. However, for I.D. distances or longer…I tolerate the Full w/ sleeves.  In comparison, I have decided there is no one wetsuit in the Traditional Category that is "perfect" for all triathlons. How does temperature play into the decision for you? When I swim locally without a wetsuit (I do so rarely), I’m surprised that it is the upper arms where I feel the cold water (58) most.   Eventually my whole body freezes, but that’s the last area to go numb.

What you just described is classic hypothermia…extremities go numb after a while.  It’s the bodies way of conserving body temperature (via blood circulation) and trying to keep the core body temperature warm at the expense of the arms/hands/fingers and feet/legs/toes. For water temperature that cold…it doesn’t make any difference which wetsuit is chosen.  Simply put, if the core temperature of your body is being maintained, the body will be able to circulate warm blood throughout the extremities.  I’ve only swam in extreme cold lakes a few time (examples would be Canada’s glacial lakes or coastal water’s off Nova Scotia).  I used a long sleeve for a sprint distance but I also wore a thermal swim cap.  However, I have also wore a sleeveless for a sprint distance swim in very cold water and came out O.K. However, the 2-3 times I have used a sleeveless in very cold water in sprints, I think I would have had a better bike if I hadn’t of been chilled from the swim. To the other extreme, the warmest water I have ever swam in is the Wool Capital Triathlon (San Angelo, Tx.).  It is an I.D. triathlon where dehydration can be a real potential problem.  For those Tri’s where the water is real warm and dehydration is a problem, I won’t (and is usually not allowed) wear a wetsuit. Bottom line, if the water is cold – I wear a wetsuit (any wetsuit)because of the potential hypothermia.  If the water is hot – I don’t wear a wetsuit becaise of potential dehydration.  Either hypothermia or dehydration can cause involuntary muscle contractions (i.e., cramps) and the resulting chance of drowning at worse or a poor bike or run at best.  In general, which kind of wetsuit depends on the length of the swim NOT the temperature of the water.  I always wear any wetsuit in very cool to cold water…And, never wear one in very warm to hot water. FWIW  Joe

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I have used both styles – full and sleeveless (for over 15yrs.)  I like the swim-feel of the sleeveless wetsuit.  I also like the ease of removal.  Therefore, I like the sleeveless for sprint distances. However, for I.D. distances or longer…I tolerate the Full w/ sleeves.  In comparison, I have decided there is no one wetsuit in the Traditional Category that is "perfect" for all triathlons.

How does temperature play into the decision for you? When I swim locally without a wetsuit (I do so rarely), I’m surprised that it is the upper arms where I feel the cold water (58) most.   Eventually my whole body freezes, but that’s the last area to go numb.   — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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It’s a troll, Phil.  QR makes good wetsuits.  I’ve had mine for 3 seasons – at least 6 races per – and it barely shows any wear.  If you take care of them they’ll last for several years and many, many races. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My QR wetsuit is unraveling [...] since i’m new to tri’s i’d be curious to know how long (how many races) a wetsuit would last. a couple of years? thanks, phil

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My QR wetsuit is unraveling and the glued seams are coming apart. I guess I need a new one. Any suggestions?  I’m a little ticked at QR for such poor quality and prefer a little better quality.

I think wetsuits fall into two general categories: Traditional & New Generation Traditional wetsuits are of two basic styles: Full length-sleeveless and full length-with arms (as for a third style, sleeveless and short-legged, one word – virtually useless except for a super sprint – maybe).  The key advantages for the Sleeveless is that is gives a freedom of arm movement that mimics pool swimming and is faster to remove.  The key advantage of the full-length wetsuit is added bouncy (i.e., added speed with less effort). I have used both styles – full and sleeveless (for over 15yrs.)  I like the swim-feel of the sleeveless wetsuit.  I also like the ease of removal.  Therefore, I like the sleeveless for sprint distances. However, for I.D. distances or longer…I tolerate the Full w/ sleeves.  In comparison, I have decided there is no one wetsuit in the Traditional Category that is "perfect" for all triathlons. New Generation wetsuits are of two radical styles: 1) The super sprint distance (incl. F-1) to I.D. distance wetsuit of choice is the Piel Wetsuit.  This thing is off before you can exit the water. I have found it takes less than 6 seconds to remove while on the run – Unbelievable. As for its limitations – the zipper design make the legs seem a bit stiff and leaks a bit more than most. And like all wetsuits with arms, it does not have the best swim-feel. It shortens your stroke and adds stress to your shoulders (also, a by-product of the added zipper’s inelasticity). 2) The I.D. distance to I. M. the T1 wetsuit by DeSoto (note: both are acceptable for I.D. distance) is most likely the most comfortable. You might have noticed I said, "most likely" since I haven’t used this wetsuit.  However, It may become my next season’s wetsuit of choice for triathlons where comfort takes priority over T1 transition times – such as, 1/2 I. M. to I.M (I.D.-maybe).  From what I have heard, its key advantages are its confortable swim-feel and buoyancy. Forget speed or ease of removing when comparing it to the Piel. If the wetsuit had came out earlier in the season, I would have tried it out.  Instead, I opted to experience the Piel wetsuit. If you’re looking for a perfect wetsuit for all triathlons…well, that’s a tough one.  I can’t give any one suit in any category an overwhelming multi-use advantage.  However, If you twist my arm – the new generation wetsuit types could best fit the bill for all. However, you would need to learn how to adapt your swimming technique and/or T1 transition methodology when using the Piel or the T1 by DeSoto*. As for wear and quality, I’ve had wetsuits last for 10+yrs. and have had them tear on on the first fit. The ultimate life of wetsuit is determined by how well it’s protected in the transition area. Well, that’s my take on wetsuit choices…FWIW.  Joe "geez, I love to buy these tri-toys" Moya *Disclaimer:  Don’t have any reason to advocate one product over another – Just the facts as I see them.

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My QR wetsuit is unraveling and the glued seams are coming apart. I guess I need a new one. Any suggestions?  I’m a little ticked at QR for such poor quality and prefer a little better quality.

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My QR wetsuit is unraveling [...]

since i’m new to tri’s i’d be curious to know how long (how many races) a wetsuit would last. a couple of years? thanks, phil

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I have an Ironman Sprint LongJohn wetsuit that has been great.  It has been through one half, three olympics and in november a full ironman.  I have had it for a year and is still great condition.  I recommend it to everyone. Just remember to wash it and keep it clean after wearing it.  You have to provide a little time for maintenance. So check out www.ironmanwetsuits.com Jason Watson

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nbc didn’t say why she pulled out.  wondering if anyone knew thanks mike

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She had a death in her family very close to race date.  It’s pretty tough to race hard when your heart is somewhere else. gordo

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She had a death in her family very close to race date.  It’s pretty tough to race hard when your heart is somewhere else. gordo

According to NBC, recent or pending death of a family member or oneself is almost automatic qualification for Ironman fame.  Even if the triathletes start in decent health, we get to see them die on the hoof right before our very eyes.  We get to see the best puking on the sidelines or sprawled out pathetically inches before the finish.  The solemn music which forms the backdrop while all these world class athletes stare meaningfully into space reminds us that this is one big funeral.  If I hadn’t been there and done that and met so many excellent athletes whose definition of themselves is multi-dimensional, I would have thought that to do such a race requires throwing away your life and health to experience the Alii Drive epiphany *I Am An Ironman*. Ruth Kazez

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Very well put Ruth! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She had a death in her family very close to race date.  It’s pretty tough to race hard when your heart is somewhere else. gordo According to NBC, recent or pending death of a family member or oneself is almost automatic qualification for Ironman fame.  Even if the triathletes start in decent health, we get to see them die on the hoof right before our very eyes.  We get to see the best puking on the sidelines or sprawled out pathetically inches before the finish.  The solemn music which forms the backdrop while all these world class athletes stare meaningfully into space reminds us that this is one big funeral.  If I hadn’t been there and done that and met so many excellent athletes whose definition of themselves is multi-dimensional, I would have thought that to do such a race requires throwing away your life and health to experience the Alii Drive epiphany *I Am An Ironman*. Ruth Kazez

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According to NBC, recent or pending death of a family member or oneself is almost automatic qualification for Ironman fame.  Even if the triathletes start in decent health, we get to see them die on the hoof right before our very eyes.  We get to see the best puking on the sidelines or sprawled out pathetically inches before the finish.  The solemn music which forms the backdrop while all these world class athletes stare meaningfully into space reminds us that this is one big funeral.  If I hadn’t been there and done that and met so many excellent athletes whose definition of themselves is multi-dimensional, I would have thought that to do such a race requires throwing away your life and health to experience the Alii Drive epiphany *I Am An Ironman*.

i had a very different experience than you or many of the others had during this telecast.  i was riveted to my TV.  seriously.  even while all of you were taking a break during the commercials, I was glued to the screen.  i thought that everything i watched was very well done, and when it was over i was quite satisfied, as i exptected to be.  emmy quality.  In fact, oscar quality. but then, while you all were watching the ironman i was watching Lana Turner and John Garfield in The Postman Always Rings Twice. slowman

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Nice Dan,  always looking for some humor from you! Steve’s Multisport – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – According to NBC, recent or pending death of a family member or oneself is almost automatic qualification for Ironman fame.  Even if the triathletes start in decent health, we get to see them die on the hoof right before our very eyes.  We get to see the best puking on the sidelines or sprawled out pathetically inches before the finish.  The solemn music which forms the backdrop while all these world class athletes stare meaningfully into space reminds us that this is one big funeral.  If I hadn’t been there and done that and met so many excellent athletes whose definition of themselves is multi-dimensional, I would have thought that to do such a race requires throwing away your life and health to experience the Alii Drive epiphany *I Am An Ironman*. i had a very different experience than you or many of the others had during this telecast.  i was riveted to my TV.  seriously.  even while all of you were taking a break during the commercials, I was glued to the screen.  i thought that everything i watched was very well done, and when it was over i was quite satisfied, as i exptected to be.  emmy quality.  In fact, oscar quality. but then, while you all were watching the ironman i was watching Lana Turner and John Garfield in The Postman Always Rings Twice. slowman

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Hell yeah, The IMH coverage and the people they portray are just too much. Thank god no one would be so self indulgent as to call for pity from the RST, a newsgroup full of "triathletes". No "real" triathlete would do that?? I just cant get over how short some peoples memories are! Lloyd Yes I’m back, and worse its thanks to Gordo and his Antivirus – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She had a death in her family very close to race date.  It’s pretty tough to race hard when your heart is somewhere else. gordo According to NBC, recent or pending death of a family member or oneself is almost automatic qualification for Ironman fame.  Even if the triathletes start in decent health, we get to see them die on the hoof right before our very eyes.  We get to see the best puking on the sidelines or sprawled out pathetically inches before the finish.  The solemn music which forms the backdrop while all these world class athletes stare meaningfully into space reminds us that this is one big funeral.  If I hadn’t been there and done that and met so many excellent athletes whose definition of themselves is multi-dimensional, I would have thought that to do such a race requires throwing away your life and health to experience the Alii Drive epiphany *I Am An Ironman*. Ruth Kazez

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Rster’s, Just checking in to see if there are any questions out there? Todd

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Has profile received any criticism for the similarities between the aerolite and the syntace streamliner?  Is Profile finally conceding to syntace that it has the better/safer design? — Andre Charlebois BPE in exercise science, MCP, CNA, A+ webmaster for Triathlon New Brunswick

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Has profile received any criticism for the similarities between the aerolite and the syntace streamliner?  Is Profile finally conceding to syntace that it has the better/safer design?

they are probably both conceding that "scott" came up with the best design and that’s why they give them patent royalties… Mark Linenberg                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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Has profile received any criticism for the similarities between the aerolite and the syntace streamliner?  Is Profile finally conceding to syntace that it has the better/safer design? they are probably both conceding that "scott" came up with the best design and that’s why they give them patent royalties…

I think that everyone who makes a clip on aerobar pays a royalty to Scott. I also think the one piece with extension ones (Vision, Profile, ITM, etc) pay Scott, too. Seems to be a fairly lucrative patent. It would help explain the prices. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Andre, Yes people have called us on our Aerolite design, however they haven’t been criticism’s.  We think the Syntace Streamliner, as you mention, is a good design but thought we could offer another feature.  With the extendable aerobars you can customer fit the length and hand angle comfort for your desired setup. Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has profile received any criticism for the similarities between the aerolite and the syntace streamliner?  Is Profile finally conceding to syntace that it has the better/safer design? — Andre Charlebois BPE in exercise science, MCP, CNA, A+ webmaster for Triathlon New Brunswick Rster’s, Just checking in to see if there are any questions out there? Todd

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Mark, Actually the Scott patent is an all encompassing patent that quite honestly was beautifully written.  This patent really covers all clip on technology and the reason why: Syntace, Profile, ITM, Cinelli, and others have to pay. Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has profile received any criticism for the similarities between the aerolite and the syntace streamliner?  Is Profile finally conceding to syntace that it has the better/safer design? they are probably both conceding that "scott" came up with the best design and that’s why they give them patent royalties… Mark Linenberg                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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Actually the Scott patent is an all encompassing patent that quite honestly was beautifully written.  This patent really covers all clip on technology and the reason why: Syntace, Profile, ITM, Cinelli, and others have to pay.

be careful, todd.  more to the story.  and you probably don’t want to go there. slowman

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Actually the Scott patent is an all encompassing patent that quite honestly was beautifully written.  This patent really covers all clip on technology and the reason why: Syntace, Profile, ITM, Cinelli, and others have to pay. be careful, todd.  more to the story.  and you probably don’t want to go there.

YES HE DOES!  I SMELL DIRT AND I WANNA HEAR IT!!!  SPILL IT! NOW! The people have a right to hear it!  Enquiring minds want to know. Brian "Matt Drudge is the TOP of the journalistic food chain" Wagner

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   I would love to have one or two of the old style Jetstream bottles! The new models just don’t fit as well on my bike.  Anyone know where I can find some yet?

My wife had the same problem and switched to the Profile drink system.  It works great.  Very stable and easy to set up. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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: You guys got trumped. I had a breakfast date. ….and what are we…watered down latte?  Sheesh!  ;-)

Don’t ask a question you don’t want to hear the answer to. : Rick "Maybe next week" Denney Saturday, 7:00am, same bat place, approximately 30 bat minutes….

I’ll try again. Jason "the run was much shorter than originally planned";

Somehow that doesn’t surprise me. Rick "But it could just as easily have turned into a 30-miler" Denney

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did you find a jetstream Tricia?  I have a new one burt only one.  let me know thanks,  dc.

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…misses out on the great deals in the Colorado Cyclist summer catalog. I hemmed and hawed just a little too long, and now they’re sold out of the ‘98 Carnac Diagonals that they had on sale for $130!!!  OUCH!  Not only that, but they’re sold out of the Jetstream RX’s, too.  These were apparently the old style Jetstreams, before they got all fancy with that *stupid* "NXT" aero shaped thing that won’t stay put in your aero bars. So now I ask all ye out in RST land:  Anybody know where I could pick up either of these two items?  Anywhere?  I saw that Triathlete Zombies also has the Diagonals on sale, but alas, they have only two (miniscule) sizes left.  Now that I’ve missed this great opportunity, I’m determined that I *must* get a pair of Diagonals.  I’m not particularly keen on the looks of Carnac’s ‘99 line.  And my Jetstream is 4 years old and showing its age. Any leads, anyone? — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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I’m not particularly keen on the looks of Carnac’s ‘99 line.

You should see the new old stock TRS’s I just bought from an RST gentleman. Purple. Not purple accents, but purple everything. But, when you are size 48 and the price is right, fashion must be compromised. Rick "Jason would be proud" Denney

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In article I’m not particularly keen on the looks of Carnac’s ‘99 line. You should see the new old stock TRS’s I just bought from an RST gentleman. Purple. Not purple accents, but purple everything. But, when you are size 48 and the price is right, fashion must be compromised. Rick "Jason would be proud" Denney

Whoa! Any other sizes available? Like maybe 43.5? What’s to compromise? Isn’t everybody about sick of black/yellow anyway? cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL

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Darn,     I would love to have one or two of the old style Jetstream bottles! The new models just don’t fit as well on my bike.  Anyone know where I can find some yet? Jim. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …misses out on the great deals in the Colorado Cyclist summer catalog. I hemmed and hawed just a little too long, and now they’re sold out of the ‘98 Carnac Diagonals that they had on sale for $130!!!  OUCH!  Not only that, but they’re sold out of the Jetstream RX’s, too.  These were apparently the old style Jetstreams, before they got all fancy with that *stupid* "NXT" aero shaped thing that won’t stay put in your aero bars. So now I ask all ye out in RST land:  Anybody know where I could pick up either of these two items?  Anywhere?  I saw that Triathlete Zombies also has the Diagonals on sale, but alas, they have only two (miniscule) sizes left.  Now that I’ve missed this great opportunity, I’m determined that I *must* get a pair of Diagonals.  I’m not particularly keen on the looks of Carnac’s ‘99 line.  And my Jetstream is 4 years old and showing its age. Any leads, anyone? — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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: You should see the new old stock TRS’s I just bought from an RST : gentleman. Purple. Not purple accents, but purple everything. But, : when you are size 48 and the price is right, fashion must be : compromised. : Rick "Jason would be proud" Denney *gasp* Rick….fashion must NEVER be compromised! Jason, who gave the neon green singlet a spin this morning…where were YOU Rick???

You guys got trumped. I had a breakfast date. But, after two weeks of lethargy, and six weeks on the road so much that swimming was impossible, a lake swim followed by a 16-mile run did not appeal. Rick "Maybe next week" Denney

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Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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June 12th won’t work for me, but I’m interested in adventure racing in general.  Would like to talk to you or anyone else in the Southern California area that has experience in adventure racing or a desire to become involved in it.   Local events would be great as a start, but I’d eventually be interested in trying something like the Raid Galoises or Eco-Challenge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it?

Cory, if you can get enough people together, I’ll do another race with you. Had some of my teamates lined up, but they all backed out. Might be able to get another guy, but don’t have a line on the all important female. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Hello Mark and Corey, Very hard to find people for adventure race teams. There is a lot of interest and fantasizing, but when you get down to the money and time and effort most people have an exuse. Let me tell you that many races now are allowing solo entrants. Examples – Mountain Quest (I did their March race) CA Eco Adventure Beast of the East. Sea2Summit (I did their Vancouver race and will repeat, plus do their new event in the Canadian Rockies). Solo is great. It allows you to plan on doing the race, instead of looking, looking around for those few individuals (and especially a woman) who might be interested in the race and have the time and money to actually do it. I’d do the Catalina race with except I live over here in Colorado. Mark, I hope you did well at Wildflower. I did not go back this year. Missed seeing you last year although I saw some jerseys with Inferno Tri on them.

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June 12th is definitely short notice for me, but I’d be interested in trying an event like that in the future. Anyone in the Southern Calif. area that has experience at adventure racing or an interest in the sport can contact me at try some local events with an eye toward competing in some of the larger, more challenging races. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, here goes again; I am looking for some teammates for the Catalina Adventure Race which is June 12. I know it is close but I know there are some people who would like to try this type of racing and have just not been able to get a team or have been feeling "pressured" by other teammates and have written this type of event off. All I want is to complete the race. I can go at the any speed the group wants to go. In these long races a jog is usually the fastest that anyone travels. It will include hiking, mountain biking, swimming and paddling. The paddling will be in two seater kayaks that are being provided. It will be approx. 70 miles. Probably a 12 hour event. Isn’t there anyone who just wants to try it? You don’t need any technical skills like other races require such as climbing or orienteering. "Just Do IT" ! Please. Pretty Please! With orange Gu on top.

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: : The only other suggestion I would add would be to redesign the transition : : area.  It is far to elongated and those at the far end are really : : disadvantaged.  Plus, you had to run barefoot on the rocky pavement! : They rotate the transition area position of each age group every year. : Although you were at the far end this year, next year you will probably : be closer.  In addition, they group your age group in the same transition : area position, so that there is no advantage for the competitors that : you are racing against. This works as long as all of the folks in your age group are in approximately the same place.  With the elite/age-group distinction, this does not work. I had an off-day (for me) at Wildflower, expecting to race about 30 minutes faster.  Even so, if I had done a 5:05, I am not presumptious enough to sign up for the elite section just to shave the 1-2 minutes off from being in an advantageous transition spot. If they are going to have an elite category, it should be like other races where you have to show consistent top "n" placements in your age groups in long course races in order to be placed in the category. Joe Sventek

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1. Try to widden the swim start (for example, make us start a little    further in the water). The start was a real struggle.

Though it was crowded, the swim strt didn’t bother me to much.  Once you got out toward the boat it thinned out nicely. 3. Where is the food at the finish line!!!! I’m not talking about    gourmet food, just a few bananas or muffins.

Yea, I was surprised that there wasn’t more food either.  I had to really fight my way to those precious few bananas!!! 4. Mix the women and men waves. I did the whole race without seing    any women. When you’re hurting on the run, it’s always nice to    have female companionship around to distract you from the pain.

Would be nice to race so fast …. I had plenty of women passing me.   The only other suggestion I would add would be to redesign the transition area.  It is far to elongated and those at the far end are really disadvantaged.  Plus, you had to run barefoot on the rocky pavement! Overall, its a great race. Eric

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: The only other suggestion I would add would be to redesign the transition : area.  It is far to elongated and those at the far end are really : disadvantaged.  Plus, you had to run barefoot on the rocky pavement! They rotate the transition area position of each age group every year. Although you were at the far end this year, next year you will probably be closer.  In addition, they group your age group in the same transition area position, so that there is no advantage for the competitors that you are racing against. The rocky pavement is a bummer, that is why many participants leave an old junker pair of shoes at the swim exit.  I sliced the heal of mine open so that they are very easy to slip on.  It takes little time and protects your feet, as well as allowing you to blast by others who are enduring the foot torture.  Pros don’t use this technique because they are always at the very front of the transition area. *   |       *   *     *                                                      * /|  *    *     *        Eric Roseme                                     *  /|   *     *       *    Hewlett-Packard, Networked Computer Division      *//|\     /   /    *                                                      ///|\ *      \                                                   |       *  // *                                                                         \                                                                            \                                                        

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They rotate the transition area position of each age group every year. Although you were at the far end this year, next year you will probably be closer.  In addition, they group your age group in the same transition area position, so that there is no advantage for the competitors that you are racing against.

Not sure I can buy this, Eric. I’ve done the Long Course three years in a row (and the Short Course before that) and every year I’ve been in almost the identical position, a few rows short of the bathroom. So I haven’t seen any evidence of "age group rotation".  Which doesn’t bother me much. As long as the others in my age group are near me (which I’m pretty sure they are), it surely doesn’t make that big a difference. — Steve Patt  Stevens Creek Software  The Athlete’s Diary & Bookstore  WWW: http://www.stevenscreek.com  FTP: ftp.stevenscreek.com  1-800-TA-DIARY

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: They rotate the transition area position of each age group every year. : Although you were at the far end this year, next year you will probably : be closer.  In addition, they group your age group in the same transition : area position, so that there is no advantage for the competitors that : you are racing against. : Not sure I can buy this, Eric. I’ve done the Long Course three years in : a row (and the Short Course before that) and every year I’ve been in : almost the identical position, a few rows short of the bathroom. So : I haven’t seen any evidence of "age group rotation".  Which doesn’t : bother me much. As long as the others in my age group are near me : (which I’m pretty sure they are), it surely doesn’t make that big : a difference. Well, I don’t have an answer for that.  I’ve done the "short" course for 9 years in a row.  I’ve been as high as #300 – which is way up front, and low as in the 1000’s – which is back by the bathroom.  I started when I was 31, now I’m 39, so it’s not an age group thing. My sister who is 42, was in the 300s either last year or the year before, but has also been back by the bathrooms.  Another post here suspected that it’s done alphabetically, but I’ve always been Roseme, yet I’ve been everywhere in the transition area.  My only idea for why you’ve been in the same spot is that maybe you changed age groups and got screwed. In any case, your rack should be populated with the guys from your age group.  I’ve gotten to know some of the guys on my rack over the years, but next year it’s on to new horizons – 40-44. *   |       *   *     *                                                      * /|  *    *     *        Eric Roseme                                     *  /|   *     *       *    Hewlett-Packard, Networked Computer Division      *//|\     /   /    *                                                      ///|\ *      \                                                   |       *  // *                                                                         \                                                                            \                                                        

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Congratulations to everybody for completing the Wildflower triathlon! The weather, the course and the volunteers were great! There’s a few things however that could be improved next year. 1. Try to widden the swim start (for example, make us start a little    further in the water). The start was a real struggle. 2. Be tougher on drafting. I saw 2 HUGE packs of drafters, and I mean huge.    They reminded me of some saturday morning rides. However, the official    on motor bikes were there on both occasions and gave warnings. It took    them 5 minutes to break the first pack! If you want to draft, go    participate in some bike races, at least you’ll have to do your share    of work. 3. Where is the food at the finish line!!!! I’m not talking about    gourmet food, just a few bananas or muffins. 4. Mix the women and men waves. I did the whole race without seing    any women. When you’re hurting on the run, it’s always nice to    have female companionship around to distract you from the pain. 5. Have the local police be more leniant with "athlete-tourist"    spending the weekend in the Lake San Antonio area. I got    pulled over by the cops on friday night for speeding on G14 in    the middle of nowhere : $200 ticket!!!! At least the race marshalls    give you a warning the first time for drafting; why didn’t I get    a warning for speeding????? Life is unfair. Anyway, that was a cool race. Every year I learn a different kind of pain on this course, and I’m so happy when I cross the finish line. See you at the South bay tri! — +   Jean-Didier Allegrucci  - (ISD VLSI Engineering)    + +                                                       +

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Some thoughts from a Former Wildflower Virgin: 1)  Thanks for answering my e-mail about the gearing needed for the bike course.  I used a 39-23 and had no problems – it was not as tough as i expected BUT it was tough.  I would likt to hear how THE BEAST (St Croix) compares to that one toughest hill.  I personally dont think it is as tough as Richters (Ironman Canada) and i know it doesnt quite measure up to Richters statistically.  In all honesty i still think the toughest bike course is Cornerbrook, Newfoundland (42 Km – 2 laps of a 21 km course). If any of you want to do a really tough bike course go to Newfoundland for the Canadian national championships in ‘97.  ( I think Molina has the course record at 2:07!!!!! – for a 1.2k – 42k – 10k!!!). 2)  What the heck is up with this elite wave?  Why do they go in a smaller pack than the rest of us?  The women’s elite wave had 4 people.  What is the difference between elite and pro?   3)  THE VOLUNTEERS – those volunteers (mostly Cal Poly students) rival Penticton’s for the best there is  (in fact i think they win).  They were amazing, very professional, enthusiastic, encouraging, JUST AWESOME!!   Thank You very much!!! 4)  The race itself was great – it is a great course, beautiful scenary, challenging, competitive, great aid stations, good atmosphere, …… I was a little disappointed that there was no food at the finish line!  We were out there busting our butts for 4-7 hours and we cross the finish line and there is no food!?!?!?!   5)  Why dont American races adhere to ITU rules??  As a certified official I noticed at least a dozen rules broken –  i am not a real stickler for conformity but safety should be a priority.  Cars and bikes and runners at the bottom of a hill presented a dangerous situation, large swim waves in a narrow start with a turn close to the start made for a rough swim, riding down that narrow shoot in transition is just dumb, having the first two miles of the run covered with people in your way is also silly, etc… etc….     6)  WHy do people litter the course with there used containers of GU (leppins etc)?  If you can carry it onto the course you can carry it off the course when you have used it.  One guy threw his used package right in front of me on the bike course.  You are littering one of the most beautiful parts of a state that knows a lot about pollution!  Triathletes ‘use’ the outdoors more than most other people – we have a duty to try and keep it clean! In summary: THE GOOD:  Great race course, awesome volunteers, and not too much drafting (way to go!!). THE BAD:  Hungry finishers, litterers, minor wacky race rules   THE UGLY:  taking off on my bike while a guy next to me in the transition rushes to get on his bike only to find that his front wheel has been stolen while he was swimming!!!   The Wildflower race committee must take full responsibility for transition security (it was pretty slack). John Valentine

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Now here’s a curly one (as the nun said to the vicar): The WC for Duathlon (that’s World Champs, not a toilet) is 10/40/5 (km, correct me if I’m wrong.  Actually, having said that I now realise I have all this time only ASSUMED these are the distances – bear with me anyway). The NZ Champs is 10/40/5. The US Champs would appear to be 3/20/3 MILES, which is..um..err..(hurried calculation – knew I did that Math degree for something) 4.8/32/4.8 km. Now the gnarly bit:  WHY? I can currently outride anyone round here over 30-odd ks after a wee 5k run, but I’m sure I’ll have to work bloody hard to keep up with the speed freaks over 40k after a 10k run. Apples and oranges? Tri-Git

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10th Annual MARLBOROUGH DUATHLON 1996 USA TRIATHLON  NATIONAL DUATHLON  CHAMPIONSHIP MARLBOROUGH, MA SUNDAY, JULY 7,1996 8:30 AM 3 mile run  20 mile bike  3 mile run Presented by the Marlborough Lions Club 1996 WORLD DUATHLON QUALIFYER Ferrera, Italy minimun of 2 slots per age group 1996 F.I.R.M. GRAND PRIX SERIES RACE COURSE & DISTANCES Run 3miles – 1 mile flat, 1 mile up and 1 mile down. Bike 20 miles – 5  loops over a hilly though not mountainous course. Run 3 miles – Same run as the first but in reverse. AWARDS Three deep male & female in all of the folowing age groups: 13-14,  15-16,  17-19,  20-24,  25-29 30-34,   35-39,   40-44,  45-49,   50-54 55-60,  60-64,  65-69,  70-74,  75-79 Relay Teams: Male – Female – Mixed DEADLINES The field is limited to 600 athletes. The last day to register is June 26, 1996.  No exceptions. HOST HOTEL Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel Hotel located 1 mile from course, 1.5 mile from start/finish Marlborough, MA 01752 (508) 460-0700 ($75 double occ) OFFICIAL BIKE STORE The Spoke’n Wheel Group will be providing technical support along the race course.  Visit their booth at the expo. SCHEDULE OF EVENTS Saturday, July 6         9:00 am – 4:00 pm       Mandatory Packet Pick-Up         Sports Expo         Best Western Hotel Sunday, July 7         8:30 am Race Starts         12:00 Course Closes         2:00  pm – 4:00 pm         Awards Banquet         Best Western Hotel         (sit down vegetarian meal) AMMENETIES Post-race refreshments Massage Tent National Championship T Shirt Raffle Prizes Water Bottle FEES Individual:  $50.00         Subtract $5 with USA Triathlon number Relay Teams: $65.00         Subtract $5 per USA Triathlon number Sorry, fees are 100% non-refundable after June 10,1996. TRAVEL INFORMATION USA Triathlon Travel Desk 1-800-426-4055 Ask about free bike transportation A complete information packet will be mailed to all registered athletes. Photocopied entries accepted For information send a SASE to F.I.R.M., 46 Bruce Rd., Marlborough, MA 01752 RACE  APPLICATION In consideration of this entry being accepted, I do hereby forever waive and release Fiske Independent Race Management and the sponsoring organizations and companies, their agents,  representatives, assigns and successors from all claims of action which I at any time acquire as a result of participation in the event for which entry relates.           (please print or type) RELAY TEAM ENTRY: Check Category:  ___MALE  ___FEMALE   ___MIXED Both team members must fill out seperate individual applications and submit together with one check INDIVIDUAL: M_____ F_____ AGE(race day) _______ Make checks payable to F.I.R.M. Be sure when printing to hard copy that the entire waiver appears on the same page as your signature.  Incomplete or fragmented waivers cannot be accepted. Full color (who needs it) applications are available through snail mail. Email me for one. I’ll post this application every few weeks for RSTers to download. Randy Scott co-race director

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, After much procrastinating I finally decided to commit to a first tri attempt.  The Chino triathlon seems perfect–it’s short, nearby (I could train the actual course), and comes at a good time of year for my work schedule.  Has anyone done it?  How about its suitablity for a newbie? Thanks in advance, and thanks for actually inspiring me to consider doing this!                                                      Eileen — If I am caught or killed, my employer will disavow any knowledge of my opinions… **** "If you can keep ‘em way off balance, How can they spot You got no talents?" The Chino tri is an excellent beginners event, especially if you’re a weak swimmer like me!  There is also a triathlon in Rialto in January with a similar format.  Ditto the San Bernadino Tin Man in May. Jo started off in the Chino tri and look how far she’s come.

If you want to do one sooner, there’s the 9th annual Santa Clarita Valley Sprint-Triathlon, Saturday, July 29th at Castaic Lake Recreation Area (north of Los Angeles).  contact Dave DeLong, (805) 251-5432.  It’s 200 yards swim, 10 miles bike, 2.2 miles run.   Tom C. Palmdale, CA

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Hello all, After much procrastinating I finally decided to commit to a first tri attempt.  The Chino triathlon seems perfect–it’s short, nearby (I could train the actual course), and comes at a good time of year for my work schedule.  Has anyone done it?  How about its suitablity for a newbie? Thanks in advance, and thanks for actually inspiring me to consider doing this!                                                       Eileen — If I am caught or killed, my employer will disavow any knowledge of my opinions… **** "If you can keep ‘em way off balance,  How can they spot  You got no talents?"

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Chino is very short, an excellent course for beginners, lots of fun, but too far away on the calendar! The race is in March, I think, and you should be able to squeeze in a race this fall if you have been training. I think there are some LA series races left, as well as the FIBAR in Newport Beach. E-mail me for information. But by all means, if you live close to Chino, you should race there, too. Brian Sullivan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, After much procrastinating I finally decided to commit to a first tri attempt.  The Chino triathlon seems perfect–it’s short, nearby (I could train the actual course), and comes at a good time of year for my work schedule.  Has anyone done it?  How about its suitablity for a newbie? Thanks in advance, and thanks for actually inspiring me to consider doing this!                                                      Eileen — If I am caught or killed, my employer will disavow any knowledge of my opinions… **** "If you can keep ‘em way off balance, How can they spot You got no talents?"

The Chino tri is an excellent beginners event, especially if you’re a weak swimmer like me!  There is also a triathlon in Rialto in January with a similar format.  Ditto the San Bernadino Tin Man in May. Jo started off in the Chino tri and look how far she’s come.

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After much procrastinating I finally decided to commit to a first tri attempt.  The Chino triathlon seems perfect–it’s short, nearby (I could train the actual course), and comes at a good time of year for my work schedule.  Has anyone done it?  How about its suitablity for a newbie?

—CHINO’s hmm. Is that going to be sponsored by the guys from L.L. Bean or J. Crew??                                                    __o       o     Tri it!                                      __/o_     ( )/( )     /      it. . .

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I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help?

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I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help?

misc.fitness ?.?.triathalon

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I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help? misc.fitness ?.?.triathalon

How about the dead runners’ society? For information on this mailing list, send email to: Tom Carminati U S WEST Advanced Technologies

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: I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including : discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help? : misc.fitness : ?.?.triathalon rec.sport.triathlon, I believe (is the group name misspelled?)

You dun gud( I had to peek in the .newsrc file) turn off the charm, it’s too damn bright  -SK

– Doug Freese    All opinions are mine

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: I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including : discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help? : misc.fitness : ?.?.triathalon rec.sport.triathlon, I believe (is the group name misspelled?) turn off the charm, it’s too damn bright  -SK

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: I am interested in learning about other Internet resources, including : discussion groups, related to running.  Can anyone help? : misc.fitness : ?.?.triathalon rec.sport.triathlon, I believe (is the group name misspelled?)

For Hash House Harriers, there is the newsgroup alt.hash.house.harriers I suggest all information collected on this topic be added to the FAQ. Marty Moore —    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.            internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

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Does anyone of a triathlon happening in the Sept. Oct. Nov. timeframe on the west coast?  The closer to San Francisco the better.  Looking for something like a 1/2 Ironman.  At least longer than the 1 mile swim, 20 mile bike, 10k run events.  Please reply directly to: Thank you! Scott (I’ve looked through different magazines and such there only seems to be the "tinman" variety of events.  That’s why I’m posting here….)

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