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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

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bicycling…

:: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :: hiking. :: :: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :: that they lost or are losing the weight? :: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer :: joy of it? :: :: -Bear :: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) :: :: 297/276/210

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The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

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Well, I am training to compete this year in a triathlon or a few if I like it.  I enjoy hiking as well, which I can do my easier now.  I play tennis volleyball and other sports with much more ease now.  Getting this weight off is a life changer for sure.  Not to mention looking better. Enjoy, Curt

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Yep. That’s why hiking is my second favorite activity JC. — – Bear  Grrrrrrrr   : o) 297/276/210 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

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Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight?

I’m looking forward to including myself in the hillwalking/history walking some friends do. We all go to Wales in August for a week or so, and until last year I never gave much thought to staying on and joining my friends as they visit castles, go round country houses and up mountains.  This year I’m seriously considering joining them.  In theory I should be well down to a weight where I can cope easily, rather than wandering along at the back feeling winded and miserable and wondering why I bothered. — Lexin (300/229/182) (5′7) LC since 9 June 2003

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

I find I can swim farther and faster, weather’s too crappy to bike or run, but I’m hoping for similar improvement. Tom 196/181/170

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m into weightlifting right now, so I look forward to continued improvements in that area.  I won’t ever look like Krista at www.stumtptuous.com/weights.html – but I have a mental picture in mind of what I want to look like.  Actually, it’s a little embarrassing to admit, but I saw a server at an Outback Steakhouse I went to on my business trip last week, and I’ve put her in mind for my goal.  She was built a bit more like me than Krista is, she was trim but not superlow bodyfat, and man! those muscles.  She was totally hot.  That’s what I want to look like. Ahem.  You did ask about *activities*, didn’t you.  Well, last time I visited my inlaws I went for a walk with them in a park with a trail that leads to the top of a dam.  I had a lot of trouble with it, as some of it is rather steep; my legs burned, I ran out of breath and had to sit down.  Next time I visit them I hope to jog up that trail! carla

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Weight lifting here. More muscle burns more calories. Plus, I want there to be something good under all this fat! Norsk

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::: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit ::: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, ::: hiking. ::: ::: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now ::: that they lost or are losing the weight? ::: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the ::: sheer joy of it? ::: :: As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m into weightlifting right now, so I look :: forward to continued improvements in that area.  I won’t ever look :: like Krista at www.stumtptuous.com/weights.html – but I have a :: mental picture in mind of what I want to look like.  Actually, it’s :: a little embarrassing to admit, but I saw a server at an Outback :: Steakhouse I went to on my business trip last week, and I’ve put her :: in mind for my goal.  She was built a bit more like me than Krista :: is, she was trim but not superlow bodyfat, and man! those muscles. :: She was totally hot.  That’s what I want to look like. :: :: Ahem.  You did ask about *activities*, didn’t you.  Well, last time I :: visited my inlaws I went for a walk with them in a park with a trail :: that leads to the top of a dam.  I had a lot of trouble with it, as :: some of it is rather steep; my legs burned, I ran out of breath and :: had to sit down.  Next time I visit them I hope to jog up that trail! You go, Carla!  Setting very high goals is a very good thing, imo.  Even if you miss, you’ll end up in a very good place!

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:: bicycling… I wanna do a century bike ride this fall, so losing more weight will help me to accomplish that goal.  I’m not sure that activity will be any where on a list of favorites, however. ::

:::: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :::: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :::: hiking. :::: :::: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :::: that they lost or are losing the weight? :::: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the :::: sheer joy of it? :::: :::: -Bear :::: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) :::: :::: 297/276/210

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The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. What I find is that the less fat I have around my midsection, the more is the effective length of my dick. It is not getting any bigger, of course, despite all exercise, but it can reach farther.

Eat less and exercise more to increase the effective length of your penis!! That should motivate somebody, somewhere.

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:: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :: hiking. :: :: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :: that they lost or are losing the weight? :: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer :: joy of it? :: :: -Bear :: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o)

If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty :: :: 297/276/210

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If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty

That looks like it would be a BLAST!  I love "treasure hunting" at thrift stores, and this would be even better.  I miss hiking SO much…I did a lot of hiking and non-extreme rock climbing in my pre-chair days.  I doubt geocaching would be very accessible for me, but I’m going to check into it further.  I’d never heard of it…thanks for posting the fascinating link, Patty! Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I hear they have hunting expeditions created for the inclusion of mobility hindered people now. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty That looks like it would be a BLAST!  I love "treasure hunting" at thrift stores, and this would be even better.  I miss hiking SO much…I did a lot of hiking and non-extreme rock climbing in my pre-chair days.  I doubt geocaching would be very accessible for me, but I’m going to check into it further.  I’d never heard of it…thanks for posting the fascinating link, Patty! Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I hear they have hunting expeditions created for the inclusion of mobility hindered people now. — JC

Cool…thanks, JC.  I’m definitely checking this out. Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

I find swimming easier.

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I going to lose enough weight to go roller skating I haven’t done that since I was a kid. I hope I remember how and don’t break my neck. I also used to love to ride a bike I would like to do that again.

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Oh I forgot swimming I love the water. I haven’t had a bathing suit in years.

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Oh I forgot swimming I love the water. I haven’t had a bathing suit in years.

I do not have one at all. I cannot find one that fits me properly no matter where I look as I am very heavy in the thighs and the abdomen, hips and butt area.  Most of my weight is carried below my waist. I wear shorts and a dark teeshirt tucked into the shorts in the pool and no one minds at all.

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Patty, I’d love to try the Geocaching. I hiked a bit of the Applal. trail last year and it was fun, but learned real fast to stick to the beginner trails. My treadmill will help me get back into a 1/2 way decent condition- and if I can get way fro mthe slush and mud, start hiking outside. Once upon a time, I belonged to a walking club in San Diego, Ca (Walkabout Int.)and would be able to trek hills, now they kill me. I loved that walking club because we walked together, about 15-40 people!  We finished our 6 miles long before the conversations ended.  I liked the city walks, lots to see and the walk leader never told us what route we would be taking, so don’t fall behind. We had different level groups- long legs, the beginner group actually seemed harder since it was slower. If your in San Diego, I highly recommend it, would be a good 2 hr addition to your visit there. The American Volkssport Association  http://www.ava.org/avaclub/avaclub.htm Is more of a individual goal approach. You meet at a location to sign in, walk the hike, and get your book stamped at the end of the hike. I didn’t have a walking buddy and wasn’t motivated to go it alone. There were scheduled group walks but I only managed to get to one the year I joined. Who knows, maybe one day us New Englander’s can meet for a hiking day! I’d coordinate a Sunday walk in my area if there was interest — Diane Atkins since 12/4/2003 234/212/150   5"8

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Hi Bear, I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

After I dropped the extra weight I regained the ability to just traverse my daily routine without every step being painful.  Of all the things I can do now that’s the thing I still treasure the most. The DH and I do a lot of physical things now, things that would have been completely laughable 100 pounds ago.  One of our favorites is called geocaching.  It’s like treasure hunting with a GPSr unit and the "caches" we enjoy the most are the ones that require a great deal of physical effort to get to. More info on the hobby can be found here: http://www.geocaching.com Take care, Carmen

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Hello, If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/

You ‘cache?  So do the DH and I.  (The Thompson Trio)  Gotta love the hobby.  :-) Take care, Carmen

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tripped the light fantastic, then quipped: Hello, If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ You ‘cache?  So do the DH and I.  (The Thompson Trio)  Gotta love the hobby.  :-) Take care, Carmen

After Patty posted about this last night, I’ve been looking into it, and it looks like so much fun!  I’m going to try my hand at the accessible sites; they may only be virtual, but it will still get me out of the house on an adventure.  I’m looking for a GPS unit online…any recommendations from the geocachers? Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I going to lose enough weight to go roller skating I haven’t done that since I was a kid. I hope I remember how and don’t break my neck. I also used to love to ride a bike I would like to do that again.

I just started riding again after over twenty years of not. I am greatly enjoying it. Garth 310/253/186 — Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do. Dale Carnegie Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. Plato

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Hi Susan!

Spent far too much time in front of the t.v. this weekend. 1.  I MUST go to the gym.  Threw sneakers and gym bag in back seat of car this morning.  I’ll see if car swings by gym on way home from work this afternoon.  Weekend of watching hard-muscled, lean bodies winning gold medals was of much embarrassment to 100 pound overweight tub-o- lard.

They were in superior shape…..makes me want to work out harder….LOL! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2.  Bring back the medal ceremonies.  I want to see everybody win. They only show them when the Americans win.  I want to hear the Russian anthem or the Ukrainian (sp?) anthem or the Japanese or Jamaican or whatever.  Are we so damn egocentric that we only want to hear our own anthem played over and over again?  Geez.  I want to see the tears running down the faces of the Kenyan and the pride on his face.  So much for multiculturalism.  T.V. has taken it away from us. 3.  O.K.  They showed all the mediocre (no offense to anyone, but the U.S., Australia and China were barely limping along last night) women gymnasts and when it came time for the Russians and Romanians to come on they showed about two gymnasts and then ended coverage for the night.  AAAARRGGGGHHH!!!!  I need a satellite dish. 4.  Triathalon coverage was pretty good.  No sharks.

It was amazing to watch that.  I am thinking….Bionic Implants, you need incredible endurance and stamina to be able to do that!!! Lori *A Mind is a Terrible Thang* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan — "Pay attention, Pooh.  And you, too, Eeyore.  He said think about what you like best.  Don’t worry now whether achieving it might not be practical." — Owl, Winnie-the-Pooh Before you buy.

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5.  Hooray to parade of nations countries that wore some version of traditional dress or some modern clean line cut version of their country’s colors.  Boo-hiss to countries that settled for the drab old sweat-suits.

What bothered me was a lot of the women were wearing pumps.  Pumps! With all that walking and standing around!  Must have been lots of sore feet by the end of the evening. Melissa When the armed robber of unhappiness knocks over the Keebler cookie display of our complacency, and bangs the samurai sword of negativity on the checkout counter of our dreams, we must not be afraid to hurl the fruit cocktail can of hope.                                    –Dave Barry

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Well *I* think it’s fun, but that’s just cause I’m in a good mood. Y’all make your own decision whether the commentary is fun or not.  And we should do a poll on how many people start going to the gym during the Olympics, dontcha think? Susan, ok, I’ll shut up now – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spent far too much time in front of the t.v. this weekend. 1.  I MUST go to the gym.  Threw sneakers and gym bag in back seat of car this morning.  I’ll see if car swings by gym on way home from work this afternoon.  Weekend of watching hard-muscled, lean bodies winning gold medals was of much embarrassment to 100 pound overweight tub-o- lard. 2.  Bring back the medal ceremonies.  I want to see everybody win. They only show them when the Americans win.  I want to hear the Russian anthem or the Ukrainian (sp?) anthem or the Japanese or Jamaican or whatever.  Are we so damn egocentric that we only want to hear our own anthem played over and over again?  Geez.  I want to see the tears running down the faces of the Kenyan and the pride on his face.  So much for multiculturalism.  T.V. has taken it away from us. 3.  O.K.  They showed all the mediocre (no offense to anyone, but the U.S., Australia and China were barely limping along last night) women gymnasts and when it came time for the Russians and Romanians to come on they showed about two gymnasts and then ended coverage for the night.  AAAARRGGGGHHH!!!!  I need a satellite dish. 4.  Triathalon coverage was pretty good.  No sharks. 5.  Hooray to parade of nations countries that wore some version of traditional dress or some modern clean line cut version of their country’s colors.  Boo-hiss to countries that settled for the drab old sweat-suits. 6.  Boo-hiss to people Monday-morning quarterbacking Atlanta. 7.  Hooray to all the swimmers breaking world records.  How do they do it?  Do they have a third lung or something?  Anyway, congrats to them. 8.  ACK!  Why aren’t they showing soccer?  They only showed highlights!  I thought they’d show more soccer!  And softball!  And basketball!  I hope as more things enter semi-finals that they’ll be broadcasting more of the games.  I’ll be terribly disappointed to miss soccer.  I wanna know who chooses what we watch.  I want some say. For instance, dontcha think the U.S. v. China soccer match coulda taken some precedence over rowing?  I mean, at least a little?  No fights, now. 9.  OK.,  That’s all I have time for right now.  Feel free to add. Susan — "Pay attention, Pooh.  And you, too, Eeyore.  He said think about what you like best.  Don’t worry now whether achieving it might not be practical." — Owl, Winnie-the-Pooh Before you buy.

– "Pay attention, Pooh.  And you, too, Eeyore.  He said think about what you like best.  Don’t worry now whether achieving it might not be practical." — Owl, Winnie-the-Pooh Before you buy.

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Spent far too much time in front of the t.v. this weekend. 1.  I MUST go to the gym.  Threw sneakers and gym bag in back seat of car this morning.  I’ll see if car swings by gym on way home from work this afternoon.  Weekend of watching hard-muscled, lean bodies winning gold medals was of much embarrassment to 100 pound overweight tub-o- lard. 2.  Bring back the medal ceremonies.  I want to see everybody win. They only show them when the Americans win.  I want to hear the Russian anthem or the Ukrainian (sp?) anthem or the Japanese or Jamaican or whatever.  Are we so damn egocentric that we only want to hear our own anthem played over and over again?  Geez.  I want to see the tears running down the faces of the Kenyan and the pride on his face.  So much for multiculturalism.  T.V. has taken it away from us. 3.  O.K.  They showed all the mediocre (no offense to anyone, but the U.S., Australia and China were barely limping along last night) women gymnasts and when it came time for the Russians and Romanians to come on they showed about two gymnasts and then ended coverage for the night.  AAAARRGGGGHHH!!!!  I need a satellite dish. 4.  Triathalon coverage was pretty good.  No sharks. 5.  Hooray to parade of nations countries that wore some version of traditional dress or some modern clean line cut version of their country’s colors.  Boo-hiss to countries that settled for the drab old sweat-suits. 6.  Boo-hiss to people Monday-morning quarterbacking Atlanta. 7.  Hooray to all the swimmers breaking world records.  How do they do it?  Do they have a third lung or something?  Anyway, congrats to them. 8.  ACK!  Why aren’t they showing soccer?  They only showed highlights!  I thought they’d show more soccer!  And softball!  And basketball!  I hope as more things enter semi-finals that they’ll be broadcasting more of the games.  I’ll be terribly disappointed to miss soccer.  I wanna know who chooses what we watch.  I want some say.  For instance, dontcha think the U.S. v. China soccer match coulda taken some precedence over rowing?  I mean, at least a little?  No fights, now. 9.  OK.,  That’s all I have time for right now.  Feel free to add. Susan — "Pay attention, Pooh.  And you, too, Eeyore.  He said think about what you like best.  Don’t worry now whether achieving it might not be practical." — Owl, Winnie-the-Pooh Before you buy.

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Hi All,     As with all newer people on the list I am in need of advice.     I sent to Total Immersion for the video. That should be a good start. However if anyone knows of any books about swimming and bicycling please suggest them to me. I am interested in Tri’s but I am only a mortal. I want to gain riding technique and I would be interested in training schedules. Thanks in advance. Ciao CHiL (Charlie in Leesburg) "It’s better to burn out than it is to rust" Neil Young

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 As with all newer people on the list I am in need of advice.    I sent to Total Immersion for the video. That should be a good start. However if anyone knows of any books about swimming and bicycling please suggest them to me. I am interested in Tri’s but I am only a mortal. I want to gain riding technique and I would be interested in training schedules. Thanks in advance.

WE carry several good titles on swimming and triathlons. Based on the information you gave I would recommend the following books: Total Immersion (Book) Additional info than just the video Triathlon 101 by John Mora Triathlete’s Training Bible by Joel Friel Endurance Athlete’s Edge by Marc Evans Timesaving Training For Multisport Athletes by Rick Niles The Essential Swimmer by Steve Tarpinian In Fitness and In Health by Phil Maffetone Training For Endurance by Phil Maffetone You can get descritions for these items from www.swiminfo.com in the Swim Shop. Swimmingly, Michael Collins UCLA Bruin Masters 310-607-9956 x105 http://www.spma.net/uclabruins Visit http://www.swiminfo.com for all your swimming needs Books – Videos – Posters – Equipment –

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I am thinking that I am not getting enough protein in my diet and need to consider regular supplements which I would prefer to be in the form of a drink.  Can someone recommend a good brand/type and supplier?

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I am thinking that I am not getting enough protein in my diet and need to consider regular supplements which I would prefer to be in the form of a drink.  Can someone recommend a good brand/type and supplier?

If you want plain old whey protein (mix with warm water and shake, then flavor/add milk if you like; you can mix up a big batch and keep what you don’t drink right away in the fridge) it’s hard to beat some of the mail order/internet places. www.Supplementdirect.com offers 4 lbs/20 bucks plus shipping; I’m not affiliated with them, just a satisfied customer. You could probably do an internet search for "whey protein" and find other sources. On the other hand, you might want to buy something like that from a retail store like [gag] GNC, in a smaller quantity, to make sure you’re not allergic to it. But you’re going to spend at least ten bucks anyway, so… your call. Er, so why do you feel you need more protein? How many grams/day are you taking in now, in what balance with carbs and fat? Are you lifting too, or just running? Curious, is all… –Dirk

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Thanks for the response, Dirk.  I’ll check out the website you suggested… As for the suspected need for protein, I am probably not even getting the minimum protein needed.  I am figuring on a daily need of 60-75 grams (for my 175 lbs), but based on keeping track of diet, I bet I am not getting the minimum. Over the last 6-8 months, I just don’t feel that my muscles are recovering well enough from my workouts, even though I have tried to pay close attention to stretching. A typical week includes 25-30 miles of running, 40-50 miles of biking, at least one brick which consists of about 15-20 miles biking followed by 2-3 mile run.  The running will include a 10-14 mile long run on the weekend. At least one day a week is spent working with weights.  As I am going to try a triathlon in July (assuming I can afford a bike!), I will incorporate swimming into this routine in the next week or two. Gary —

  I am thinking that I am not getting enough protein in my diet and need to   consider regular supplements which I would prefer to be in the form of a   drink.  Can someone recommend a good brand/type and supplier?   If you want plain old whey protein (mix with warm water and shake, then   flavor/add milk if you like; you can mix up a big batch and keep what you   don’t drink right away in the fridge) it’s hard to beat some of the mail   order/internet places. www.Supplementdirect.com offers 4 lbs/20 bucks plus   shipping; I’m not affiliated with them, just a satisfied customer. You could   probably do an internet search for "whey protein" and find other sources.   On the other hand, you might want to buy something like that from a retail   store like [gag] GNC, in a smaller quantity, to make sure you’re not allergic   to it. But you’re going to spend at least ten bucks anyway, so… your call.   Er, so why do you feel you need more protein? How many grams/day are you   taking in now, in what balance with carbs and fat? Are you lifting too, or   just running? Curious, is all…   –Dirk

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        Are you a vegan?  Do you eat eggs?         Protein requirements are much lower than many people think. Most nutitionists working with athletes recommend 1.5-2.0 grams/kg body weight.  The typical American diet exceeds that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am thinking that I am not getting enough protein in my diet and need to consider regular supplements which I would prefer to be in the form of a drink.  Can someone recommend a good brand/type and supplier?

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Thanks for the response, Dirk.  I’ll check out the website you suggested… As for the suspected need for protein, I am probably not even getting the minimum protein needed.  I am figuring on a daily need of 60-75 grams (for my 175 lbs), but based on keeping track of diet, I bet I am not getting the minimum.

        If you are aiming for 60-70 g of protein, you are aiming low. Based on your weight it should be more in the 120 g range minimally. Over the last 6-8 months, I just don’t feel that my muscles are recovering well enough from my workouts, even though I have tried to pay close attention to stretching.

        Your recovery might have more to do with not replenishing glycogen stores.  Eating a carb rich diet will replenish muscle glycogen so that you are ready for the next workout.         Aim for 6-8 g carb per kg body weight per day.

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I am thinking that I am not getting enough protein in my diet and need to consider regular supplements which I would prefer to be in the form of a drink.  Can someone recommend a good brand/type and supplier?

 try http:www.smartfuel.com look at biofix, profix and fix bars

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The web site is www.ecochallenge.com It is not easy to enter this race.  As for most other big races, you have to qualify, and in fact some years the race is "closed", only allowing entry to teams to have previously participated. To train, just try the first day that usually occurs in the race. Most of the teams race continually for 24 hours with no sleeping. If you can’t handle that, then forget the rest of the days.  Most days the racers survive on at most 4 hours sleep for a week or more. Think about it seriously before you even attempt to train. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -x-no-archive: yes I just saw Dateline on NBC tonight and i was amazed and astounded. Their feature story was about this year’s Eco-Challenge. It took place in Morocco, Africa. Its about 350 miles long and you have to trudge through the sea, land, mountains, deserts and any other enviroments you can think of. You have to kayak, hike, bike, and most importantly survive. After seeing this program I have decided to make this endurance challenge 1 of my many goals in life. Anyone else planning on doing this? I think that’s the same thing as the Raid Galoises. They go to different places in the world each year. I think last year was in Borneo. There is a website somewhere… If I were your age, I would try to get in on that action also!

Tim Nelson Nelson Krynicki & Associates IT Recruiting 905-274-1917 fax 905-271-0759

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I just saw Dateline on NBC tonight and i was amazed and astounded. Their feature story was about this year’s Eco-Challenge. It took place in Morocco, Africa. Its about 350 miles long and you have to trudge through the sea, land, mountains, deserts and any other enviroments you can think of. You have to kayak, hike, bike, and most importantly survive. After seeing this program I have decided to make this endurance challenge 1 of my many goals in life. Anyone else planning on doing this?

I’m afraid that something like that is a bit beyond me, since I’d have to develop some specific skills (climbing, kayaking, etc) that I don’t have. And at 50, it gets tougher and tougher to learn new tricks. p.s. I’m almost 17 and I’m also planning on doing the ironman triathlon, every north american marathon, then move on to international marathons if I have time, win the lottery and being really happy!

That’s one heck of a list! I hope you’ll take your time and enjoy all the small victories <and even defeats along the way.  Stay with the shorter stuff for a while and work your way up.  Keep your dreams in sight and work at reaching them. I know another triathlete about your age with the same enthusiasm. You might enjoy talking with him. He’s already won some age group races and can probably identify more with you than us geezers can. <g If you email him, tell him Mr.Tennent says he should go to his room. <He’ll understand – it’s a continuing inside joke on rec.sport.triathlon. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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Doug Freese wrote, if you have unlimited $$$ support to allow you the time to train and your body has the resolve to withstand endurance(you have no idea at this time) and keep the women out of the picture, then we wish you the best of luck. I hafta ask…why keep the women out of the picture?

I don’t think there would be enough time to keep the relationship together. The balance of time would  lean to  training and less to the softer moments. Oh no honey, we can’t have sex/dinner/go to a movie/etc I have to…… I prefer less training and more, er, softer moments.  I can skip the bike ride for ……. — Caveat Lector!

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I try to watch this every year since it’s been on tv (Discovery channel airs quite a bit of it, I believe) I must say that goal-wise, this is the most appealing thing I’ve ever seen (for myself). I don’t know where one would start to train for something like this, the cost, etc., but I would like to find out.

try Http://www.adventureracing.org/index.shtml      it is a great site on adventure racing/training/calendar.                                         Iron Man is a no-go due to all that ocean swimming (sorry, I’m a definite victim of the movie Jaws).

there are several ironman distances in the USA that are lake swims now.   :0)                                         What’s the run in Death Valley called, btw?

Badwater Challenge,I think…?                               I was surprised that the Navy Seals group placed 17th, and failed to complete at all on the last challenge (calling for help on the ocean part of it, of all places).  I mean, they’re NAVY SEALS, for chrissake!!

People who don’t do a lot of kayaking/and or canoeing don’t place very high at that level of adventure racing.good luck in training.                   Randy+Sue IMF 99′

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Doug Freese wrote, if you have unlimited $$$ support to allow you the time to train and your body has the resolve to withstand endurance(you have no idea at this time) and keep the women out of the picture, then we wish you the best of luck.  

I hafta ask…why keep the women out of the picture?

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Doug Freese wrote, if you have unlimited $$$ support to allow you the time to train and your body has the resolve to withstand endurance(you have no idea at this time) and keep the women out of the picture, then we wish you the best of luck.   I hafta ask…why keep the women out of the picture?

Well; If you kept ‘em out of the picture for long enough, you’d go a few hundred miles over ungodly terrain to get one too…         -Tim

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I just saw Dateline on NBC tonight and i was amazed and astounded. Their feature story was about this year’s Eco-Challenge. It took place in Morocco, Africa. Its about 350 miles long and you have to trudge through the sea, land, mountains, deserts and any other enviroments you can think of. You have to kayak, hike, bike, and most importantly survive. After seeing this program I have decided to make this endurance challenge 1 of my many goals in life. Anyone else planning on doing this?

This is an admirable goal but to train for a multi day trek like the Eco_Challenge takes a great deal of time and sacrifice. Either get wealthy quick or convince  some loved ones to support you while you train. You will get a taste for endurance training  while preparing for an IM.  If you are working a job and possibly married with kids, there are not enough hours in the day  to train and be a spouse/parent/worker/.   OTOH, if you have unlimited $$$ support to allow you the time to train and your body has the resolve to withstand endurance(you have no idea at this time) and keep the women out of the picture, then we wish you the best of luck.   Mike T. can give some idea of the time it takes to prep for the "simple" Ironman. In my prep for a "simple" 100 I do long treks from 4-11 hours. — Caveat Lector!

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I just saw Dateline on NBC tonight and i was amazed and astounded. Their feature story was about this year’s Eco-Challenge. It took place in Morocco, Africa. Its about 350 miles long and you have to trudge through the sea, land, mountains, deserts and any other enviroments you can think of. You have to kayak, hike, bike, and most importantly survive. After seeing this program I have decided to make this endurance challenge 1 of my many goals in life. Anyone else planning on doing this? p.s. I’m almost 17 and I’m also planning on doing the ironman triathlon, every north american marathon, then move on to international marathons if I have time, win the lottery and being really happy! -H.Ong- NHS Track 200 :26,400 :58, 4×400, 800 2:19.3, 1600 5:45, 3200 XCountry-19:35 P-baller MiniMag#11115 MOG#441 "If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the facts." -Einstein "Being nice is always nice."

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Does anyone have experience using a Swiss exercise ball.  I have chronic lower back problems (slipped disk 15 years ago, and recurring sciatica) and have been considering obtaining one.  Is it worthwhile? Frank "sciatica is a pain in the butt" Wallace

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Frank, I have a green 65cm swiss ball, and absolutely love it. In fact as I type this email, I’m sitting on it……for it doubles as my computer chair (keeps me moving, so my back doesn’t stiffen). I would highly recommend a swiss ball for working on spinal flexibility (ie: back stretches), but most importantly for dynamic spinal stabilization (ie: abdominal crunches while on the swiss ball are more challenging and effective). I recommend to all my physical therapy back patients to get a ball at home. Most importantly, get guidance from a PT with experience in dynamic spinal stabilization. You don’t want to go hog wild on the swiss ball by yourself or you can really aggravate/flare up your chronic back problem. email me with any questions, Mike Physical Therapist Rookie Triathlete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have experience using a Swiss exercise ball.  I have chronic lower back problems (slipped disk 15 years ago, and recurring sciatica) and have been considering obtaining one.  Is it worthwhile? Frank "sciatica is a pain in the butt" Wallace

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Oh.  I though it was a reference to the numerous 300 pound linemen who can run 40 yard dashes well under 5 seconds (at least as reported by their college coaches to NFL scouts). —   -Ray Charbonneau The MITRE Corporation – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Miles was referring to one chap who claimed that his college football mates used to run 4 minute miles regularly as warm ups for practice. We never convinced him otherwise.

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I could do a 10k in 3 minutes ! Really ! Oops, I just forgot to say I cheat a little: it is while jumping from an airplane, before to open the parachute. ) Yves. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little.

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Gee Zworque, a few posts ago you were beginning to gain back some of your depleted credibility, but after reading this one, I’m starting to think that you really are a legend in your own mind!  Beware of cryptonite, superman. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little. First the track was straight, so no slowing down by the curves of a race track. Second (most important) I had a strong wind blowing in my back. I never said it was a world record (or better than a world record), some of you  did. Alternatively I could have run from a hill side, if we had such things in my flat country. That would have increased my speed also. Did I fool you? No, not really. I never wrote how this ‘PR’ was established. You all thought it must have been on a race track or something like that. Without all those advantages, my speed would have been considerably lower. Again, at that time I wasn’t interested in athletics, only in a good physical shape. And if I could run that fast, even if in hindsight my time result wasn’t truely a PR in the eyes of an athletics person, I surely was in good shape. And something of that must have remained in my body, otherwise I can’t explain my progress in the last 3 months. People who have done little about shaping their body in their youth will probably progress not as fast as I’m currently progressing. So in my view training fixed schedules (or even group training) is bogus, or at best a sign of weekness from the part of the coach. Everyone should train in her/his own progressing rate and should never depend solely on another person’s training experience. What I ment was that what works well for one person isn’t automatically the best thing for another person. Is this clear now? Signing off. Zworque.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque. My bullshit detector just went off :   920 m in 103 sec equates to a 89.6 sec 800 m.  That is a 1:29.6 which would have better Seb Coe’s 1981 WR of 1:41.72 by over 12 sec—hell you could run 920m almost as fast as Coe could run 800m. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

Not so fast – maybe he ran the first 420 m in 100 seconds and then jumped off a 500 m cliff.

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I don’t know who you hang out with, but in my circle we don’t need to PROVE anything!  If someone has a great time on a training run ALONE and tells the group at the next group run, we believe him or her and don’t question their honesty.  We praise their result as if we had witnessed the performance. After all, what has someone got to gain by lying about their performance? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much. I now understand that if I had run that time, I would have been some kind of superman. And BTW if I were *the* Superman, I would have been not too bright, exposing myself this way In the next paragraph I will bow to your awesome knowledge and unsurpassed wisdom: : In other words if you and many others say it is impossible, then it : MUST be impossible. I must have been mistaken, my eyes must have : been blurred and my mind must have mingled up things. It must have, : must have, surely must have, if you say so, it must be the absolute and : irrefutable T.R.U.T.H. I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have. Zworque. BTW #1 Results in training may count,  but can’t be proven to outstanders, unless there is an impartial official present. And as you may understand from the text above, *knowing* you got a certain time result doesn’t count. Only if you can *prove* it  to others, a time result becomes something you can mention to others, without the risc of being laughed about or being mocked. If you can’t prove it, it doesn’t count, however sure you are of yourself you are telling the truth. BTW #2 And to answer the person who started this thread. Yes, you can halve your expected 10K time of 2 hours, if you set your mind to it. Just keep on running, run long slow runs and short fast runs, with an emphasis on long slow runs. And don’t forget to do something about those injuries "What," would you ask me? Well we won’t be beginning another war, will we You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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And results DO count in training! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much. I now understand that if I had run that time, I would have been some kind of superman. And BTW if I were *the* Superman, I would have been not too bright, exposing myself this way In the next paragraph I will bow to your awesome knowledge and unsurpassed wisdom: : In other words if you and many others say it is impossible, then it : MUST be impossible. I must have been mistaken, my eyes must have : been blurred and my mind must have mingled up things. It must have, : must have, surely must have, if you say so, it must be the absolute and : irrefutable T.R.U.T.H. I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have. Zworque. BTW #1 Results in training may count,  but can’t be proven to outstanders, unless there is an impartial official present. And as you may understand from the text above, *knowing* you got a certain time result doesn’t count. Only if you can *prove* it  to others, a time result becomes something you can mention to others, without the risc of being laughed about or being mocked. If you can’t prove it, it doesn’t count, however sure you are of yourself you are telling the truth. BTW #2 And to answer the person who started this thread. Yes, you can halve your expected 10K time of 2 hours, if you set your mind to it. Just keep on running, run long slow runs and short fast runs, with an emphasis on long slow runs. And don’t forget to do something about those injuries "What," would you ask me? Well we won’t be beginning another war, will we – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have.

Whether it was exaggeration, embellishment, or a simple bad key stroke, you took it well. Boy am I sluggish  from my last night’s track workout – 20×440m at 44 to 46 seconds. I usually do them at 40-42.  What me, pull your leg? — Caveat Lector!

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If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much.

Zworque: Thanks for taking this in an upbeat manner. If you haven’t guessed by now, you have suffered the backlash from previous posters. Occasionally someone will come on and post some outlandish claim and then try to defend it as legitimate. Miles was referring to one chap who claimed that his college football mates used to run 4 minute miles regularly as warm ups for practice. We never convinced him otherwise. I got nailed recently when I miscalculated a bike average and made a stupid claim about Ironman bike times. It happens. Mike "To the best and worst of us" Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little. First the track was straight, so no slowing down by the curves of a race track. Second (most important) I had a strong wind blowing in my back. I never said it was a world record (or better than a world record), some of you  did. Alternatively I could have run from a hill side, if we had such things in my flat country. That would have increased my speed also. Did I fool you? No, not really. I never wrote how this ‘PR’ was established. You all thought it must have been on a race track or something like that. Without all those advantages, my speed would have been considerably lower. Again, at that time I wasn’t interested in athletics, only in a good physical shape. And if I could run that fast, even if in hindsight my time result wasn’t truely a PR in the eyes of an athletics person, I surely was in good shape. And something of that must have remained in my body, otherwise I can’t explain my progress in the last 3 months. People who have done little about shaping their body in their youth will probably progress not as fast as I’m currently progressing. So in my view training fixed schedules (or even group training) is bogus, or at best a sign of weekness from the part of the coach. Everyone should train in her/his own progressing rate and should never depend solely on another person’s training experience. What I ment was that what works well for one person isn’t automatically the best thing for another person. Is this clear now? Signing off. Zworque.

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   6) A 13 year old boxer (IIRC)   The disconcerting thing is that _this_ time the numbers chosen were obviously ludicrous.  Where would the original questioner be if this fellow hadn’t obviously been wrong?  Thinking that some fantastic rate of improvement was not only possible, but maybe there was something wrong with them if they didn’t improve as fast?  Tempted to overdo to the point of injury in order to match the (fictitous) improvements noted by this fellow?   — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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Could you repeat that in English please! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on     time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!!   6) A 13 year old boxer (IIRC)  The disconcerting thing is that _this_ time the numbers chosen were obviously ludicrous.  Where would the original questioner be if this fellow hadn’t obviously been wrong?  Thinking that some fantastic rate of improvement was not only possible, but maybe there was something wrong with them if they didn’t improve as fast?  Tempted to overdo to the point of injury in order to match the (fictitous) improvements noted by this fellow? — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!!

6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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 Getting the 10k down to 45-50 minutes may not be realistic by May. I was in my second year back running before I even completed 10k, no mention of time.  (Granted I was conservative about adding distance. This year, my third, my longest was 20k.  The first year long was 5k. Steady increases _do_ build up.  And they help avoid injury.)  May is 6 months off, so I’d guess (since you’re not starting from zero) that you certainly have time to train to finish the 10k in comfort.  The time, I wouldn’t hazard a guess yet.

I would like to add this: "How different people can be!" Now for some boast on my part: Five months ago I couldn’t walk any further than 3K. Three months ago I couldn’t run any further than 500 m. Today I ran a very slow (and easy) 23.5K in 2.6 hours. I wasn’t even tired. Next week I hope to run a LSD of 30K+ in 3.5 hours at 50% of my max heart rate. And I hope to break the 20 minutes barrier for the 5K very soon. I’m a 38 year old male. My walking speed is about 8 Kph (5 mph), during my last 10K walk (no more than 40% of my max HR). BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque.

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR.

To be honest, I don’t believe you. This normalizes to a 1:29 800 meters. The world record for 800 meters is 1:41.11. -Ekr           eTrain – free triathlon training software               http://www.rtfm.com/tri/etrain/html

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR.

uh, yeah, right, and i just ran a marathon in 1:58:00. — /*  Mike D. Kail                    |  voice:  (619) 410-3773  */ /*  Unix System Architect           |  fax:    (619) 410-3701  */

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque.

My bullshit detector just went off :   920 m in 103 sec equates to a 89.6 sec 800 m.  That is a 1:29.6 which would have better Seb Coe’s 1981 WR of 1:41.72 by over 12 sec—hell you could run 920m almost as fast as Coe could run 800m. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

Or:   5) Trained with a college football team!!!   Miles – with apologies for dragging out that old chestnut —  "Focus. Relaxed Form. Stay smooth. Flow. Breathe."   – gapo ‘98 Cut the .over.the.rainbow if you prefer to reply by email

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I am 32 years old. I started running a few years ago, paused when I hurt my knee, recovered, paused during the summer heat, and am now running again. I have decided to enter a 10K race which will be held here in May. However, I think I am very slow: my 5K time is between 45 and 50 minutes (on track machine, with heart rate kept in the zone). That would make my 10K time almost two hours. I feel this can be improved upond drasticaly, and I think I have enough time to do it. Can anybody advise me on what kind of workouts I need to do to double my abysmal speed over the distance of 10K? — "My name is Not Important. Not to friends.     But you can call me mr. Important"  - Not J. Important

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I have decided to enter a 10K race which will be held here in May. However, I think I am very slow: my 5K time is between 45 and 50 minutes (on track machine, with heart rate kept in the zone). That would make my 10K time almost two hours. I feel this can be improved upond drasticaly, and I think I have enough time to do it. Can anybody advise me on what kind of workouts I need to do to double my abysmal speed over the distance of 10K?

  At the moment, your pace is 12-16 minute miles.  This is walking pace, so I’d suggest that you start by walking, rather than running.  The extra impact of the running is not doing you any good, and probably (verify with heart rate check) your heart rate will reach a good training zone by walking.  Go with it, if so.  3-4 days/week of 20-30 minutes walking at pace, repeat until you’re not reaching your heart rate training zone by walking alone, and then start adding in some running.   Getting the 10k down to 45-50 minutes may not be realistic by May. I was in my second year back running before I even completed 10k, no mention of time.  (Granted I was conservative about adding distance. This year, my third, my longest was 20k.  The first year long was 5k. Steady increases _do_ build up.  And they help avoid injury.)  May is 6 months off, so I’d guess (since you’re not starting from zero) that you certainly have time to train to finish the 10k in comfort.  The time, I wouldn’t hazard a guess yet. — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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I was kind of bummed to get this email from Karl:

[snip] you’re justified in thinking what you’re thinking.   questionable tactic, though,  sharing a private email with the NG.  if you lived in maryland that might even be illegal, in which case you’re only hope would be a grant of immunity from the independant counsel. qrman

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I was kind of bummed to get this email from Karl: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your valued input you gay asshole. —–Original Message—– Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon These type of relaxed drafting rules are what I would like to see at all races.  Makes for a much more fun event.  Lucky you for racing that day. Send that RD to Phoenix! "Life’s a brick" Yeesh.  I hope your children have freckles. David

I replied there wasn’t any reason not to have some fun with this subject, that I have plenty of freckles myself.  And that I could have said, "I hope your children grow up to be Libertarians," which would have been equally self-deprecating, since I’ve had about as much luck voting for the LP candidates as I have rooting for the Cubs. Maybe he just had a bad day. David "David Windhorst" Windhorst

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   Hello to all.    I was wondering if anyone out there had information on the 1998 St. Anthony’s tri?  I am looking specificaly for the dates and how to register.  Due to some work constraints, I need to know far in advance of any vacation time that I have to take in the future so the date is realy what I’m after.  Also, if anyone has suggestions on places to stay down there, those would be great appreciated as well.  Thanks in advance and good luck to all in Hawaii!!!!!  I will be there in mind and spirit.   Seeee yaaaa..   Bob Vetal.

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I was wondering if anyone out there had information on the 1998 St. Anthony’s tri?  I am looking specificaly for the dates and how to register.

The date is 25 Aprl 98.  The entry info will be available through  www.cftsommersports.com/index.html. Hope this helps. Bob Williams

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St Anthony’s have a web page, I think from memory it is something like www.stanthonys.com/tri or something like that. Kristjan Snorrason

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   Hello to all.    I was wondering if anyone out there had information on the 1998 St. Anthony’s tri?  I am looking specificaly for the dates and how   Bob Vetal.

Bob, I don’t have a 98 calendar in front of me but the race is usually the last Sunday in April. Two weeks before the Gulf Coast Triathlon which usually lands on Mother’s Day.  Hope this helps. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Fl IMC 1998

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St Anthony’s have a web page, I think from memory it is something like www.stanthonys.com/tri or something like that. Kristjan Snorrason

It can be found at http://www.stanthonys.com/triathlon/index.html Enjoy, Mark E. Johnson, IMC97 http://www.ima.umn.edu/~mjohnson

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Sorry wrong address, that’s what happens when you think aloud. here is what I should have done in the first place. From TRS Deads: There is always St. Anthony’s in St. Petersburg, Florida…usually the last weekend in April.  Excellent race, good weather and a pretty fast course (with exception to all those damn turns in the bike course). They have a web site at the following URL: http://www.stanthonys.com/triathlon/ this was the site for the ‘97 race.  Best of luck.

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Hi, There seems to be a lot of sports medicine / physiology knowledge and experience on the net.  A was over at a friend’s house this weekend, and he tried to get me started on E-CAPS.  When he opened up his cabinet, I was surprised at the number of pills (E-CAPS) this guy actually took.  He claims they have been the secret to his success (his been an All-American tri/duathlete in the 50-54 age group for the last couple of years). Frankly, I’m skeptical… I’m not going to be able to remember what was in all the bottles.  Most of them were pretty standard– multi-vitamins, amino-acids…  However, one bottle, Race CAPS, had me a little concerned.  Race CAPS are 100% ATP (adenison-tri-phosphate sp?).  I remember enough from high school biology that your first "high" energy source is your body converts ATP – ADP. Apparently, there is a number of _elite_ athletes (at least in the southwest) who actually have pill boxes attached to their handlebars and pop these ATP supplements while racing. My friend told me that it gives you an energy rush or even a "high".  I told him it sounded like cheating to me.  Even if this particular *drug* was legal it sounded unethical at best.  He defended his position by saying everything he took was 100% natural and mostly came from herbs etc… Later I thought about it, and the same could be said for marijuanna and cocaine etc… QUESTIONS How efficiently can the body use ATP that is taken orally?  Are there any possible harmful side effects (could you take too many and actually collapse from exhaustion since you could artificially override your bodies warning signals) ?  Do other people think it’s ethical (or am I just being a purist) ?    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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Hi, There seems to be a lot of sports medicine / physiology knowledge and experience on the net.  A was over at a friend’s house this weekend, and he tried to get me started on E-CAPS.  When he opened up his cabinet, I was surprised at the number of pills (E-CAPS) this guy actually took.  He claims they have been the secret to his success (his been an All-American tri/duathlete in the 50-54 age group for the last couple of years). Frankly, I’m skeptical…

I tried them 4 years ago.  Saw no results.  Mark Sisson (ex TriFed director and great athlete) had the same experience. Your mileage may vary . . . —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (303) 229-3117

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writes: There seems to be a lot of sports medicine / physiology knowledge and experience on the net.

I’m not a sports physiologyst, but I’ve tried this product. A was over at a friend’s house this weekend, and he tried to get me started on E-CAPS.  When he opened up his cabinet, I was surprised at the number of pills (E-CAPS) this guy actually took.  He claims they have been the secret to his success (his been an All-American tri/duathlete in the 50-54 age group for the last couple of years).

You are supposed to take 2/day of one kind (EnduroCaps) and 4/day of another kind (TrainingCaps).  This will run you about $30-$35/month. While racing, you will also need to take 2 caps every 2 hours. Frankly, I’m skeptical… I’m not going to be able to remember what was in all the bottles.  Most of them were pretty standard– multi-vitamins, amino-acids…  However, one bottle, Race CAPS, had me a little concerned.  Race CAPS are 100% ATP (adenison-tri-phosphate sp?).  I remember enough from high school biology that your first "high" energy source is your body converts ATP – ADP. Apparently, there is a number of _elite_ athletes (at least in the southwest) who actually have pill boxes attached to their handlebars and pop these ATP supplements while racing.

Nate Llerandi among the pros.   Also, Jeff Cuddleback… I also know one guy (in his 40-ies) who swears by them, and he’s winning a lot of races. My friend told me that it gives you an energy rush or even a "high".  I told him it sounded like cheating to me.  Even if this particular *drug* was legal it sounded unethical at best.  He defended his position by saying everything he took was 100% natural and mostly came from herbs etc… Later I thought about it, and the same could be said for marijuanna and cocaine etc…

Ever seen the movie, "Naked Lunch"?  Remember the scene when William Lee comes to see Dr. Benway and asks for a drug to cure his addiction to bug powder Dr. Benway: (something like)         "Here, take this and mix it into your friend’s bug powder.          He will lose his taste for it soon enough". William Lee: (with doubt in his voice)         "Well, I dunno, I suppose… Ok, what’s in it?" Dr. Benway: (reassuringly)         "OH, IT’S ALL NATURAL.  It’s dried meat of giant black Brazillian          aquatic centipede." QUESTIONS How efficiently can the body use ATP that is taken orally?  Are there any possible harmful side effects (could you take too many and actually collapse from exhaustion since you could artificially override your bodies warning signals) ?  Do other people think it’s ethical (or am I just being a purist) ?

I tried E-Caps for a month.  At the time I started taking them, I was quite overtrained (as I always am ;-().  I’ve noticed that even when I was very sore and tired but forced myself to go and workout, my body would still work. I didn’t think it was a good thing, so I gave these up.  They also claim to improve your overall energy level: well, I have not noticed that. As far as whether I think it’s safe: The company says that eCaps are safe because they only contain chemicals that are naturally produced by your body anyway.  I have a problem with this.  I think if you take them for too long, your body will forget how to make them in sufficient quantities.  And then, when you stop… they actually tell you that if you do, all of your gains will dissapear.  But then again, this could be said of any performance aid, including proper diet: go back to BigMacs and you will quickly lose you shape. Whether it’s ethical: I think eCaps should be considered in the same category as HGH injections (which I hear are common among top track and field athletes).  I don’t think it’s ethical.  But then, maybe I’m just saying this because I don’t use them.  I don’t have a problem with people taking megadoses of vitamins or amino-acids, because you get them in your diet anyway. Kostya Vasilyev                                         swim-bike-run SYMANTEC Corp. Development Tools                        eat- eat -eat (408) 446-7165                                          program in C++

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Anyone have info on how vitamin requirements change during endurance exercise? In particular, do your requirements for water-soluble vitamins (esp. B vitamins) increase? -Bob

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Anyone have info on how vitamin requirements change during endurance exercise? In particular, do your requirements for water-soluble vitamins (esp. B vitamins) increase?

It’s contradictory…  The natural food folks (in magazines like Vegetarian Life and Better Nutrition for Today’s Living) are always saying that athletes (or even non-athletes!) need a lot more vitamins than the RDA.  Most triathlon training books I’ve read agree than the RDA is not adequate, but don’t recommend going above 3-5x the RDA. You can judge if you’re getting enough B’s by the color of your urine. If it’s bright yellow (almost neon-greenish-yellow), you’re getting too much. (provided you hydrate well) Kostya Vasilyev                                         swim-bike-run SYMANTEC Corp. Development Tools                        eat- eat -eat (408) 446-7165                                          program in C++

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, There seems to be a lot of sports medicine / physiology knowledge and experience on the net.  A was over at a friend’s house this weekend, and he tried to get me started on E-CAPS.  When he opened up his cabinet, I was surprised at the number of pills (E-CAPS) this guy actually took.  He claims they have been the secret to his success (his been an All-American tri/duathlete in the 50-54 age group for the last couple of years). Frankly, I’m skeptical… I’m not going to be able to remember what was in all the bottles.  Most of them were pretty standard– multi-vitamins, amino-acids…  However, one bottle, Race CAPS, had me a little concerned.  Race CAPS are 100% ATP (adenison-tri-phosphate sp?).  I remember enough from high school biology that your first "high" energy source is your body converts ATP – ADP. Apparently, there is a number of _elite_ athletes (at least in the southwest) who actually have pill boxes attached to their handlebars and pop these ATP supplements while racing. My friend told me that it gives you an energy rush or even a "high".  I told him it sounded like cheating to me.  Even if this particular *drug* was legal it sounded unethical at best.  He defended his position by saying everything he took was 100% natural and mostly came from herbs etc… Later I thought about it, and the same could be said for marijuanna and cocaine etc…

Agreed. Absolutely. A drug is a drug is a drug. Some manufacturers of weight loss herbal preparations have been caught adding things like methamphetamine and thyroid hormone to the herbs. Sure it works. It is also quite dangerous and not in the least "natural". Strychnine is a very natural herbal product but I wouldn’t recommend it. QUESTIONS How efficiently can the body use ATP that is taken orally?  Are there any possible harmful side effects (could you take too many and actually collapse from exhaustion since you could artificially override your bodies warning signals) ?  Do other people think it’s ethical (or am I just being a purist) ?

The human body cannot use ATP taken orally as an energy source for exercising muscles. Stomach acid is just too much for the ATP. This is not to say that it is completely worthless since it is a source of phosphate. However, you could better obtain phosphates from food. It’s healthier and a whole lot cheaper. It is possible to take too much of this garbage and make yourself ill. Mostly this would be from high solute concentrations in the stomach leading to nausea, vomiting or diarrhea. Additionally high solute concentrations in the stomach can delay gastric emptying and interfere with hydration. I imagine that in time there will be some reports in the medical literature documenting poisonings from these substances. A sports-medicine article from 1992 examined the potential role of one particular Co-enzyme Athletic Performance System (CAPS) using a placebo controlled double-blind crossover design. Eleven highly trained male triathletes were studied and there was no difference in time to exhaustion, blood glucose, blood lactate, or blood free fatty acid concentrations. (Int-J-Sports-Nutr. 1992 Sep. 2(3). P 272-86.) The problem with most people who are convinced that these things work is that they are conducting an experiment with n=1. Where is the control ?  Is it the hard work you’ve put into training or the little magic pill? There are too many variables and no control for comparison. Pat, I don’t think you’re being a purist. I think you are right to suspect the "get rich quick schemes". There really aren’t any short cuts — smart training, good nutrition, and rest are key. At a recent club meeting someone asked a triathlete who is also a registered dietitian what ergogenic supplement she used. Her answer was, "FOOD". Personally, I eat a lot of salmon to make me a better swimmer. It really works. Have you ever seen those things swim up a waterfall?  *WOW*. My times keep dropping in the open water swims so I *must* be right. (Note: this doesn’t appear to help very much in pool swims which confirms my theory).                                                 Mark A. Jenkins, M.D.                                                 specializing in triathlons,                                                 Internal medicine,                                                 and sports medicine.

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        I’m not a biochemist, but I am an organic chemist (which is cooler, anyway =-)) and I would be willing to bet that ATP taken orally would be rapidly hydrolyzed in the stomach to ADP, AMP or the free hydroxyl.  I doubt that much, if any, of ATP taken orally would make it into the mitochondria, which is where aerobic respiration occurs, if I’m not mistaken.         As with so many things having to do with athletic performance, the "high" people feel when they take these things is no doubt psychosomatic.  But hey, if it makes you faster…. P.S.  E-Caps are awfully expensive, if memory serves. Timothy

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