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Hi I am thinking of buying a second hand rear spinergy rev-x  and was hoping that someone would be able to give me some advice on  weather or not these wheels are prone to cracking and if so what and where to check. thank you steve

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I’ve had one since they first came out and it’s still going strong. I don’t think you’ll have any problems.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am thinking of buying a second hand rear spinergy rev-x  and was hoping that someone would be able to give me some advice on  weather or not these wheels are prone to cracking and if so what and where to check. thank you steve

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Check out this web site for horror stories. You may need to check from other users. I wouldn’t buy not because they are definetly going to break, but because the fear of them breaking is enough to worry about. Besides, they are not very light nor aerodynamic as it is. Mark http://home.interlynx.net/~pjdu/

: I’ve had one since they first came out and it’s still going strong. : I don’t think you’ll have any problems. : : Hi : I am thinking of buying a second hand rear spinergy rev-x  and was hoping : that someone would be able to give me some advice on  weather or not these : wheels are prone to cracking and if so what and where to check. : thank you : steve : : : :

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they are not very light nor aerodynamic as it is.   On the aero part..I have read multiple articles in the magazines, including an extensive test report of many aero wheels in Bicycling Magazine showing that Spinergy’s are aero…so, that is untrue…now the possible breaking is another issue I wont’ go into. Before you buy.

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I wouldn’t put much faith in results of any test done by Bicycling magazine.  Just about every "test" they do is somehow fundamentally flawed.  The only true test of wheel aerodynamics is in the wind tunnel and to my knowledge, Bicycling has not done any testing there. To the best of my knowledge, the SPOX are the least aero wheel available.  I wouldn’t recommend those wheels for anything but training.  And who buys $450 training wheels? The Rev-X probably falls somewhere in the middle of all the aero wheels.  I say probably because I haven’t seen impartial testing doen by a competent third party recently.  The Rev-X probably comes in near the Cosmic Elite, Rolf Vector, etc., far behind the HED3, Campy Shamal, Zipp 440, etc. Personally, I would never buy a set due to durability concerns, and the questionable crosswind behavior of the front wheel. John "If you’ve got the cash, buy the 909" Royal they are not very light nor aerodynamic as it is.   On the aero part..I have read multiple articles in the magazines, including an extensive test report of many aero wheels in Bicycling Magazine showing that Spinergy’s are aero…so, that is untrue…now the possible breaking is another issue I wont’ go into. Before you buy.

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I wouldn’t put much faith in results of any test done by Bicycling magazine.  Just about every "test" they do is somehow fundamentally flawed.   The Rev-X probably comes in near the Cosmic Elite, Rolf Vector, etc., far behind the HED3, Campy Shamal, Zipp 440, etc.

I’ve never used Rev-X wheels, but to say any test "Bicycling" mag does is flawed and then state your own belief the Rev-X is far behind the Shamal, 440 ect…  in aerodynamics seems a bit ridiculous.  How is it you know so much more than Bicycling? tim(dogspot1) buaidh no bas

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I do not consider myself an expert on wheel dynamics but have used the Spinergy on many occaisions.    I found that the Spinergy handles the crosswind far superior to my Specialized trispoke when used on the front.   I rode the Specialized rear, Spinergy front to two Ironman age group first place finishes.   One in NZ the other at Kona.   I found that the Specialized / HED is very fast and stiff but extremely difficult to manage in crosswinds when placed on the front.   The Spinergy has a much nicer ride and is far less affected by crosswind. I have had no problem with the Spinergy Rev-X in any way.   I’m not endorsing them, just stating my personal experience. My wheels were 700C sewups.  the Spinergy requires an adapter for the stem and the Specialized requires a very short and small pump head for inflation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t put much faith in results of any test done by Bicycling magazine.  Just about every "test" they do is somehow fundamentally flawed.  The only true test of wheel aerodynamics is in the wind tunnel and to my knowledge, Bicycling has not done any testing there. To the best of my knowledge, the SPOX are the least aero wheel available.  I wouldn’t recommend those wheels for anything but training.  And who buys $450 training wheels? The Rev-X probably falls somewhere in the middle of all the aero wheels.  I say probably because I haven’t seen impartial testing doen by a competent third party recently.  The Rev-X probably comes in near the Cosmic Elite, Rolf Vector, etc., far behind the HED3, Campy Shamal, Zipp 440, etc. Personally, I would never buy a set due to durability concerns, and the questionable crosswind behavior of the front wheel. John "If you’ve got the cash, buy the 909" Royal Besides, they are not very light nor aerodynamic as it is.   On the aero part..I have read multiple articles in the magazines, including an extensive test report of many aero wheels in Bicycling Magazine showing that Spinergy’s are aero…so, that is untrue…now the possible breaking is another issue I wont’ go into. Before you buy. Before you buy.

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First of all, I said "probably".  The only definitive statements I made were in regards to the ineptitiude of the writers at Bicycling magazine. I based my ASSUMPTION on the fact that the Spinergy rim is of similar depth to the other wheels I mentioned.  Also, you will note that the LEW website puts the Rev-X in this ballpark (Note: I do not believe all the information at the LEW site, I just use it for general comparison purposes).  Where did you get your information from?  What did you base your assumption on? Regarding my knowledge versus Bicycling magazine, based on what I have read in that magazine I would say that I probably have a wider and deeper knowledge than most of their writers.  But that is no great feat.  The vast majority of the information they provide is based on myths and half truths.  Just like the junk that Dane Bittenbender writes for Triathlete magazine*. Just because someone has something in print doesn’t mean that they know what they are talking about. * – Note:  I have found articles by our own Rick Denney and Dan Empfield to be much better thought out and more accurate.  I do not mean to trash all the writers at Triathlete.  Just one. P.S. Regarding the crosswind handling situation, the Rev-X does handle slightly  better than a Specialized/HED Tri Spoke.  But that doesn’t say a whole lot.  A front Rev-x is still much more susceptible to sidewinds than a regular deep rim such as a Zipp 404 or HED Aero.  That’s why you see so many of the pro bike riders running a regular wheel on the front and a Rev-X on the rear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t put much faith in results of any test done by Bicycling magazine.  Just about every "test" they do is somehow fundamentally flawed. The Rev-X probably comes in near the Cosmic Elite, Rolf Vector, etc., far behind the HED3, Campy Shamal, Zipp 440, etc. I’ve never used Rev-X wheels, but to say any test "Bicycling" mag does is flawed and then state your own belief the Rev-X is far behind the Shamal, 440 ect…  in aerodynamics seems a bit ridiculous.  How is it you know so much more than Bicycling? tim(dogspot1) buaidh no bas

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 I would be interested in running a 10 K race this summer. I am a competitive road cyclist and swimmer already, and I think that if I could run a decent 10 K I would be very competitive in triathlons. I’ve always wanted to do a triathlon, but running has always been a weakness for me.

Weakness? meaning you don’t like it or not as good at it as your swimming and cycling? Mike Tennant could help you with this. You got to turn this weakness into a strength.! Laurie

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This is an extra credit assignment for Dr.Olsens BIS 3330 class. I would be interested in running a 10 K race this summer. I am a competitive road cyclist and swimmer already,  and I think that if I could run a decent 10 K I would be very competitive in triathlons. I’ve always wanted to do a triathlon, but running has always been a weakness for me.

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Emilio, Still haven’t gotten that catalog.  Ordering some stuff by phone today. Looking forward to seeing more of the line. thanx, Mike Mauldin 736-C Sedgefield Rd. Charlotte, NC 28209 Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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I cannot afford a bicycle, so I am planning to train for only the running and swimming, which I believe is called a biathlon (but not the skiing and shooting one) I’m curious if anyone has any information on this event. Thanks

These races are few and far between, much more common among biathlons/duathlons are running/biking events, I’d suggest finding someone who bikes and race as a team at a triathlon, most tri’s have a catagorie for teams.  Of course I’d highly recommend saving up a few hundred bucks and getting a entry-level bike and particapating solo in a tri, it’s well worth it.  Until then why not try out a race as a team, I’m sure you’ll have no problem finding a cyclist, you could always start looking here, or a bike shop, and your entry fee will be cheaper also as a team, good luck Tim Hignett Buaidh No Bas http://members.aol.com/hignett/index.html

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running and swimming, which I believe is called a biathlon information on this event.

In the early 70s a few lifeguard teams (cities & countys) use to put on some really fun beach biathlons in coastal areas in the SE USA.   So. Fla., North & So.Carolina, Virginia, all had competitions, but I now only see a few in SC.   Some of the distances use to be from around a 1m swim w/ 2m run,  up to 5k swim & 5k run. I’ve thought it woud be fun to do a triathlon based on an age group average of a 60min. swim, 60min. bike, and a 60min. run. Dan Herrema

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I am planning to train for only the running and swimming, I’m curious if anyone has any information on this event.

South Florida has two or three of these, usually in the winter ( go figure? ). Two of which are ocean swim/beach run and one that was in a park and had a run, swim, run, swim, run. I wonder how many will be back next year as they all were poorly attended…

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I cannot afford a bicycle, so I am planning to train for only the running and swimming, which I believe is called a biathlon (but not the skiing and shooting one) I’m curious if anyone has any information on this event. Thanks

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        Many elite triathletes use them during some training.   The resident triathletes at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs use them for some workouts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Is there anybody out there that is not an elite runner using this : thing? Does anybody now how many "elite" athletes are actually using HRM’s? Seems to me most of them would rely on their own feelings, rather than carry HRM – at their level of concentration, plus a coach working for you, most of elite runners wouldn’t need to rely on HRM – or at least I would assume so. — Oleg Shpyrko The opinions expressed are not necessarily yours.

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On another note:  check out www.gssiweb.com. You will need to go thru some of the site to find the article on HRMs but it is worth it.

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Oleg, I think that the higher use of HRM’s by triathletes is that, generally speaking, triathletes are really into having a lot of equipment kicking around. Running is by far a less complicated activity from a number of different perspectives. The "best time" to use a HRM is debatable.It certainly is helpful on the easy days and long run days in keeping the HR down, which is the whole point of the exercise. As for the hard days, personally, when I am training alone, I find it informative – knowing roughly where I am in terms of exertion. However, when I go out for a hard day with a group(intervals or tempo run), usually I just wear a wrist watch and don’t concern my self with HR. I find that this helps with pace knowledge and how to run in a group – drafting, leading, surging etc. . the kinds of conditions you find when racing. Steve Fleck Very nice post, basically confirms what I would have assumed. I also have a feeling that HRM’s are used by triathletes more than by runners or bikers. Why is that? Is it because Polar tries to use triathlon as an advertisement base (with millions people "jogging" thru marathons marathons are being replaced by triathlons – that’s where "Iron men" are. ? Or is it spesifics of a triathlon training? I would assume that HRM’s are very useful during interval training, or tempo runs. I personally don’t use HRM’s (yet) – during intervals it’s enough that I have to check my own splits pushing my watch buttons – I don’t want to waste time trying to get readings off HRM. Besides I believe it’s better to stay concentrated and

evaluate how you feel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – all the time – after all heart rate is not everything. It would probably be a useful tool for recovery runs – to make sure that they are really "recovery" and not "slow tempo" runs Still, it’s probably nice hi-tech gizmo to play with for beginners who want to monitor their efforts. Oleg

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: Oleg, : : I think that the higher use of HRM’s by triathletes is that, generally speaking, : triathletes are really into having a lot of equipment kicking around. Running is : by far a less complicated activity from a number of different perspectives. : I think Stephen is at least partiallly right. It does seem like triathletes are very into trinklets and doo-dads Running is a less complicated activity from the perspective of technology, I think. CGYH

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POssible for advanced training. Helps with two kinds of problems: People who plateau because they don’t train hard enough.  You’ll find you may not be working your heart fast enough. People who train too hard, esepcially long runs for a marathon. You’ll may find you can run for tens of minutes longer without tiring, by just slowing 5 BPM or so.

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: Does anybody now how many "elite" athletes are actually using HRM’s? Anecdotal evidence only, but here goes… I’ve seen Doug Bell, one of the top master’s runners in the US, at several races.  He has always had on a HRM. One friend is a 2:18 marathoner.  Never used an HRM to my knowledge. One of his friend’s is a 2:12 (2:14?) marathoner.  In the years they ran together, he never used one, but then popped up in Runner’s World one day touting them. Jon Sinclair (American record holder at 12k) coaches several people locally.  He recommends an HRM (at least for east days). Another friend (female) is a 2:52 marathoner.  She uses one daily. I got one for Christmas.  For me, the benefits are not yet too clear.  I think it has helped me go easier on recovery days.  On hard days, right now I’m pretty much just collecting data. It probably is great for some, and not much help for others.  If I were a starving student, I wouldn’t bother.  If you have the disposable income to get one, it depends on how much you like toys. -pfrench

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: Is there anybody out there that is not an elite runner using this : thing? Does anybody now how many "elite" athletes are actually using HRM’s? Seems to me most of them would rely on their own feelings, rather than carry HRM – at their level of concentration, plus a coach working for you, most of elite runners wouldn’t need to rely on HRM – or at least I would assume so. —  Oleg Shpyrko The opinions expressed are not necessarily yours.

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: Is there anybody out there that is not an elite runner using this : thing? Does anybody now how many "elite" athletes are actually using HRM’s? Seems to me most of them would rely on their own feelings, rather than carry HRM – at their level of concentration, plus a coach working for you, most of elite runners wouldn’t need to rely on HRM – or at least I would assume so. —  Oleg Shpyrko The opinions expressed are not necessarily yours.

Elites/non-Elites and HRM use: From what I have seen HRM use amongst elite endurance athletes is that some do and some don’t. Some of the top triathletes for example seem to be slaves to their HRM. Always use it in training. Always use it when racing and always quote workouts in terms of HR%. Of course it has to be kept in mind that some of these guys are sponsored by Polar. On the other hand, have you ever seen a Kenyan wearing a HRM in training or in a race.These guys don’t even bother wearing wrist watchs most of the time. For some reason I can’t picture Dan Komen standing on the side of the track, after finishing a 800m interval,tapping his foot, waiting for his HR to drop back below his "training zone". For years I trained without one and I have achieved a modest amount of success(Consistant top 3 in age group at Ironman Canada). Recently I started using one. Although, my wife uses it more and it was for her that we really bought it. She was starting back to running after the birth of our first child and was worried about over doing it too soon. For this type of application – non elite concerned about exertion or does not know the various levels of exertion – I believe that the HRM can be a valuable tool. My wife has slowly been building up her long runs with out going too hard. Walking when she needs to and picking it up when the HR drops off. As for me, I found it interesting using the HRM for some of my benchmark workouts in cycling and running(the long day, the tempo workout, the interval session). All these years, I had been working out at roughly the right levels – the easy days were easy, keeping the HR down on the long days and the hard days were pushing the upper end towards my max – and it has showed in my performances. HRM’s can be a good training tool for anyone – elite, non-elite or people like me who fall somewhere in between. It’s not an absolute essential for effective training, but used wisely it can reveal some important information. Steve Fleck

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Yes Yes Yes.   I just bought a new Polar SmartEdge.  I works in conjuction with many of  the aerobic apparati at my gym  (stat. bikes, treadmills, stair climbers)  I cant tell you how much I have enjoyed knowing more about my body. I have lost 3-5 lbs of body fat in the last 2.5 weeks because I have forced myself into training within the IN TZ (monitor lingo) Do it man you will reap great benefits from the thing.  It will keep you going.   IF you buy buy Polar  I’ll get them to drop you a line keep me posted Mike

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I wouldn’t be without "the option" of using a HRM. One can learn a lot about training effort, effect while using a HRM. There are  times when it’s just not worth being nagged by the darn thing too. Leave it behind and go out and run as you’re inclined. With / without ~~ each has its merits. Many, many runners use an HRM. Many don’t. There have been, and will continue to be, many dicussions about the merits (and inhibitions) of HRM. It’s just another tool. The more tools you have in your tool box, the more options you have! I’m rather new to running.  (8 months, 20 races including one marathon in 4:26) I’m considering buying a heart rate monitor for training. Is it worth the money, or just something most people buy and never use after the first week. Since I don’t know anyone using one, I can’t borrow one beforehand to test it. Is there anybody out there that is not an elite runner using this thing?

ME! Many others too. ;~}  Denny Anderson  To ERR is human… to ZIN, divine!

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I’m rather new to running.  (8 months, 20 races including one marathon in 4:26)

20 races in 8 months, that’s one helluva start!!! Congratulations. Is it worth the money, or just something most people buy and never use after the first week.

Good question. Without a doubt, used properly, an HRM is likely to be a useful *aid* in any long term training program. The real question is bang/buck. You can get most of the information easily and CHEAPLY with the most basic of HRM’s. Taking Polar (top quality), their Beat model pitches in at just 80 USD. Heck, that’s barely the price of one pair of shoes. That got to be of interest to any ’serious’ runner. However, even though it gives you the information you requre, who wants such a basic model??? Stopwatch would be nice?? NightLight?? Programmable Training Zones?? Coded Transmission?? Memory?? with average and max HR ?? Recovery Times?? and so the list goes on… Are all these non-essential but ‘nice-to-have’ features worth the extra??? You can easily pay more than twice the price of the basic model, but is your training going to doubly benefit??? Methinks there is some pretty astute marketing ploy at work here.   Miles — Cut the 0_fin~SPAM_  to email back to me

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I’m rather new to running.  (8 months, 20 races including one marathon in 4:26) I’m considering buying a heart rate monitor for training. Is it worth the money, or just something most people buy and never use after the first week. Since I don’t know anyone using one, I can’t borrow one beforehand to test it. Is there anybody out there that is not an elite runner using this thing? hendrik

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can anyone recommend a simple running diary computer program which is compatible with a Mac, able to be downloaded free from the Web? Susan

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Make sure to check out The Athlete’s Diary. A free trial copy is available Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

The best solution… have software that converts a treadmill into a 3D real time running partner and saves the data with NO typing. Run the race before you get there.  Turn a Minnesota winter into a Hawaii afternoon with virtual reality.  And have the diary, and the heart rate monitor downloading, and artificial intelligence build custom workouts based on your goal, fitness level, and performance. And all for $99.95 Free working product at the website of UltraCOACH HRM software!! — Ken Burres MD UltraCoach Development  ..Check out UltraCoach VR!! http://www.ultracch.com

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Make sure to check out The Athlete’s Diary. A free trial copy is available Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

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PC Coach lets you plan your own training, or set up a plan designed by a professional coach. You can create custom workouts to log anything you like, or use default workouts to log time, distance, splits, heart rate, etc. Training plans are available by Uta Pippig, Arturo Barrios, Coach Roy Benson, and Mike Pigg(triathlon). For more information, visit http://www.pccoach.com or call 1-800-52-COACH. Best of luck in your training, Laurie Dotter : Does anyone out there have some good run logging/analysis/training software to : recommend?  I’ve seen a fair bit of what’s available, and so far, have not : been overwhelmed.  The most impressive program I’ve come across so far is : Runner’s File.  It tracks a multitude of stats, stores training routes, race : results, shoe usages, and has data entry areas for scheduled training runs and : races as well as many other things.  It is a very ambitious piece of work and : the author seems very willing to listen to and incorporate suggestions. I’ve : recently resubscribed to RW and am awaiting the freebie sofware that entitled : me to.  Any experience with that that package out there?

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Does anyone out there have some good run logging/analysis/training software to recommend?  I’ve seen a fair bit of what’s available, and so far, have not been overwhelmed.  The most impressive program I’ve come across so far is Runner’s File.  It tracks a multitude of stats, stores training routes, race results, shoe usages, and has data entry areas for scheduled training runs and races as well as many other things.  It is a very ambitious piece of work and the author seems very willing to listen to and incorporate suggestions. I’ve recently resubscribed to RW and am awaiting the freebie sofware that entitled me to.  Any experience with that that package out there?

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<snip – in praise of TB & her tri efforts For all the things I haven’t said, I hope this sums it up: Wow! Tricia, have fun! LFY

Uh-huh. Well, said, Skipford!  For that matter, I wish all you IMC nuts the best of the best…the mother of all races. I’ll be monitoring this race no less closely than I did IMH in October. So post when you can!      As for me, it’ll be Lake Bijwa & Ironman Japan for my first Ironman ever in June of 1998. Chaz

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Skippy– Thanks for eloquently expressing the true spirit of triathlon.  You have really summed up for me how I have felt about all the people who have traveled in and out of my life who have been at races to support me, or have made other sacrifices so that I could train. Your dedication to your friend and to our sport leaves me speechless. Good luck to those of you doing IMC….I will be with you in spirit, and look forward to joining you next year!! Greg

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I hope Tricia doesn’t get to read this – IMC will be hard enough without having to lug an inflated ego around the course. It was great meeting you at Vineman, enjoy yourself Skippy – have a great IMC. People like you keep us triathletes feet on the ground, it’s all too easy to get totally caught up in the whole thing, I mean, some people could even be accused of becoming obsessed (but not me, oh no, I didn’t get back to work 15 minutes late this lunch ‘cos I had a ‘quick’ look around the local bike shop, oh no). Can I suggest you have some kind of sobering thought to hand to bring Tricia down out of the euphoria when she’s crossed the finish line. Something like, just think of all the work you can catch up with now… Joel

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Thanks for the posting Skippy, I got nothing to add. Enjoy the Penticton experience….

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–Skippy’s moving story of travels with Tricia excised; look for "Skippy’s Road to Penticton" in DejaNews– Skippy: Thanks for letting me ride along. It’s a privilege! David PS And to all the rst IMC crew, may the journey be a great one. David Schoonmaker

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My name is Skippy, and…I’m a crew-aholic. For the past year I’ve been on the Road to Penticton. <snip What is this "Road to Penticton"? Is it long or short? Straight or narrow? Lonely or crowded? Does it get you where you’re going with things to look at along the way, or does it just rush you through to your destination as quickly as possible? If you ask Tribaby you’ll get an answer to those questions. It will be a very insightful, inspiring, illuminating, voyeuristic and charming answer. <snip Tricia, have fun! LFY

That sure is a thoughtful, caring tribute to a friend and her aspirations.  It made me sit back and dwell for a while upon those things in life:  the destination, the road travelled, the accomplishments….   It is good to stay on the right track. So, TriBaby, Skippy says you have also pondered these questions. Maybe you can expound upon how they have impacted your life. And, to all going to IMC, have a memorable time. — John De Vries

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—enchanting post dishonorably snipped, please read for enlightenment — Wait unti the finish line dude, you’ll be speechless. And if anybody did the race last year, all I have to say is  remember the finish line at midnight! That was one to remember.  :-) "Iron" Pete Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97 —Countdown: 11 days until D-Day!!!

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Thank you Skippy for so beautifully and eloquently stating what I can never begin to express to the person I call "athletic supporter" in my life. Thank you to every person out there who has ever provided the love and support their triathlete had ever needed. Good luck Tri-Baby and all RST’rs at IMC. Skippy, it’s graduation day for you too, I’m so glad I got to meet you at Vineman, enjoy your day in Penticton as well!!! Kathy Matejka Ironwoman Trinlif, it’s a reality! For, as Zen-Master Rob says, "the willow is stronger than the mightiest oak, it bends in the strongest winds while the oak breaks in two." Ben & Jerry’s for all…!

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My name is Skippy, and…I’m a crew-aholic. For the past year I’ve been on the Road to Penticton. The athlete, while having to haul their body around all by themselves, has a farther reaching spirit that gets carried by many other people. I’m one of the people who has been helping to carry Tricia Richter’s (aka Tribaby) spirit. Maybe your helper is called your "wife", your "boyfriend", your "training partner", your "athletic supporter". For IMC they actually call them "IronMates"! I don’t know, sounds like a new kind of underwear to me…kind of like "UnderRoos" or something. But I don’t care what I’m called. I just care about what I do. And what I try to do is support my friend in what is probably one of THE most important events in her (and now my) life. You see, I’m Tricia’s "crew". Sometimes we’ve been on the road together; sometimes we have each found our own way to the ultimate destination: crossing the IMC line on August 24. Oh yes, it’s been a long, arduous, exciting road for me as well, and I will be crossing that line even as I sit in the bleachers. Tricia’s been training for this race, in one way or another, for at least 4 years. So have I. With very few exceptions, I have been to every triathlon she has participated in. I have gotten up at more UNGODLY hours than I care to remember (in fact, some of them I DON’T remember). I have been awakened by the moist, slapping, smacking sounds of sunscreen being applied in the dark of night ("Is that REALLY necessary?!?"). I have hugged her sweating body while wearing clothes that I like and want to wear again. More importantly, I have watched her cross close to 30 finish lines. Every time I do these things a burning question repeats itself over and over in my brain….WHY?? Why? Because as I have traveled with Tricia on this road I have been privileged to watch her grow and mature. I have seen myself challenged and tested, and I have evolved. Some would say I have made it to Neanderthal, I think I’ve gone beyond that to gain a greater appreciation for the hard work, dedication, and sacrifices triathletes (indeed, ALL athletes) exhibit and make. Some of that has actually worn off on me. Last year, due primarily to the inspiration and support I got from Tricia, I actually participated in 2 triathlons of my own. But enough about me…. What is this "Road to Penticton"? Is it long or short? Straight or narrow? Lonely or crowded? Does it get you where you’re going with things to look at along the way, or does it just rush you through to your destination as quickly as possible? If you ask Tribaby you’ll get an answer to those questions. It will be a very insightful, inspiring, illuminating, voyeuristic and charming answer. Tricia manages to put so much of herself into everything she does that her race postings are almost painfully revealing; much like a little kid unaware of its nakedness. I guess that’s what makes her TriBABY. But that moniker isn’t really accurate anymore; over the past year I’ve watched our little "baby" grow up. Being Tribaby’s crew has been a long road, full of ups and downs, disappointments and wonderful victories. I have seen her go from being a rather "solo" participant to one who tries to give as much to the sport as she gets out of it. She has even added to the vernacular with such popular terms as "Kelp Crawl" and "Bopper" and "Mopper". I have shared her joy when she has bettered a previous time. Last November I had to stop myself from rolling my eyes every time I heard the words "Ironman", "Canada", "Penticton", or "THEY made me sign up". Now, I’m so excited I even bring up the subject. Go figure! I have had to offer a LOT of encouraging words when a nasty little bug hits and she can’t go out and train (did I mention patience?!?). I have experienced her excitement when reliving a race and hearing about each and every thought and emotion she has gone through. I have stifled my share of yawns when she spots a familiar T-shirt on someone and they end up talking about using their 39×21 to master a climb. Excuse me? I have choked back tears when I have heard her name called out as the first place finisher in her division. There have been countless social events that she has had to pass up due to a rigorous training schedule, and I have missed her. The race is almost upon us. While her nervousness increases, my pride is building. I see standing before me an incredible woman who has achieved what very few people in this world will EVER achieve…the maturity to face her fears, explore her desires, and reach beyond "Are you crazy?!" to find herself.   For all the things I haven’t said, I hope this sums it up: Wow! Tricia, have fun! LFY — Skippy http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/3757

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[SNIP]  The great story of the day was a third place age-group finisher who lost his saddle at mile 25, improvised a new one with his water bottle and actually straddled the thing for the remaining 87 miles.

Sounds to me like a great candidate for the next "Buns of Steel" video! Sorry to hear you had such a ragged time, but glad to hear you survived with no real damage. — Rick Teichler StorageTek Software Engineering (Louisville, Colorado)

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answer to ITU.  There was zero drafting at IMH.

Right on eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a much better than I wanted view of the whole race with only 58 riders behind me at the turn-around (I counted).  I was still confident of doing alright and was contemplating what I would wear for my majestic appearance on the podium when, seven miles down from Hawi, the fun stopped and I remembered why I promised not to do this anymore. The winds which were non-existent when they would have been at our back turned around as the day progressed and finally became much more daunting than last year. My only consolation was that many better riders were behind me plus a few celebrities like Darryl Haley.  Small consolation however.  When I was told I missed the cut-off I said good! because I could not possibly have even crawled the marathon. It took several minutes before I could walk away from the bike without feeling vertically challenged. At about mile 70 I could not swallow anything that I did not  want to see again, so I stopped eating and drinking.  That was followed by my first experience with whatever it is you get when you do that.  I should have stopped then and if that ever happens to me again I will certainly stop.  The number behind me dwindled to 35 very quickly and it was no longer any fun.  I will have more and better things to say when I get unpacked.   Ruth Kazez

Sad to hear of your problems in Kona. I was sending all my good thoughts for a great race. I’ve seen mention that Exceed was the fluid replacement drink in Hawaii this year. Could that have been a contributing factor to your stomach problems or had you simply pushed beyound your limits? Stomach problems is a double edged sword, what with the faact you feel like crap so slow down, then push harder to try and keep the pace. This leaves you drained for the run. Also, the lack of being able to take on food and fluids is a demon that comes back to haunt you. It also increases the liklihood of bonking on the run, completely destroying any chance of having fun on the most anticipated day of the year. I feel for you and the disappointment you must be feeling and not making the bike cutoff. Are you gonna try again next year? Is your promise to not do another, merely this years disappointment coming through, and all will be forgotten by next seasons first qualifying race? Your loving son…. "TriDork" ** Give whenever you CAN…..Take only when you HAVE to. ** ** M. Perry     circa 1980 **

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stuff deleted There are quite a few similarities between the Ironman and child-bearing, not least of which is the vow during the second stage of labor never to repeat the experience.  I did go on to have three children, and if I could have been guaranteed a second daughter I would have gone for four.

Stuff deleted again The enormous difference for me, however, is that it takes me less than an hour total (including transitions) to have a baby, but more than fifteen hours to get through an Ironman. How much more easily I got my adopted dear son Tri-Dork. All I had to do was tell him about my having presented a bike to my 70 year old training partner (so to speak). I think I’ve babbled a bit off the subject. Ruth Kazez

Since it appears you are giving up competing in Ironman races, does this mean you’re going back to having more kids?  :-) If more people hear about the bike give away, I may be just the FIRST son in the second group, not the ONLY son in the second group. — Marcus Perry/Kazez "TriDork" ** Give whenever you CAN…..Take only when you HAVE to. ** ** M. Perry     circa 1980 **

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Is your promise to not do another, merely this years disappointment coming through, and all will be forgotten by next seasons first qualifying race?

There are quite a few similarities between the Ironman and child-bearing, not least of which is the vow during the second stage of labor never to repeat the experience.  I did go on to have three children, and if I could have been guaranteed a second daughter I would have gone for four.  I’ve also done 4 ironmans, two of them successfully, one a mess for a variety of reasons, and this year I simply failed to do well enough.  Another feeling I share about the race and labor is that I, like many of us, greet the cannon blast as the very welcome beginning of the end, not unlike the enthusiasm for the first labor pain which spells the finish of many months of preparation, and rather mindless of the ordeal that separates start and finish. The enormous difference for me, however, is that it takes me less than an hour total (including transitions) to have a baby, but more than fifteen hours to get through an Ironman. How much more easily I got my adopted dear son Tri-Dork. All I had to do was tell him about my having presented a bike to my 70 year old training partner (so to speak). I think I’ve babbled a bit off the subject.   Ruth Kazez

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<big owie story snipped…. Sorry Ruth! The great story of the day was a third place age-group finisher who lost his saddle at mile 25, improvised a new one with his water bottle and actually straddled the thing for the remaining 87 miles.

You ARE kidding, right?? Where did that thread on cycling and impact on fertility go… <LOL! Tom    Tom Ruta                     "Nunc hoc in marmore                                            on est incision" Need a  helmet argument laugh?   http://www.cadvision.com/Home_Pages/accounts/rutat/averybs.htm

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answer to ITU.  There was zero drafting at IMH.   I got a much better than I wanted view of the whole race with only 58 riders behind me at the turn-around (I counted).  I was still confident of doing alright and was contemplating what I would wear for my majestic appearance on the podium when, seven miles down from Hawi, the fun stopped and I remembered why I promised not to do this anymore. The winds which were non-existent when they would have been at our back turned around as the day progressed and finally became much more daunting than last year. My only consolation was that many better riders were behind me plus a few celebrities like Darryl Haley.  Small consolation however.  When I was told I missed the cut-off I said good! because I could not possibly have even crawled the marathon. It took several minutes before I could walk away from the bike without feeling vertically challenged. At about mile 70 I could not swallow anything that I did not  want to see again, so I stopped eating and drinking.  That was followed by my first experience with whatever it is you get when you do that.  I should have stopped then and if that ever happens to me again I will certainly stop.  The number behind me dwindled to 35 very quickly and it was no longer any fun.  I will have more and better things to say when I get unpacked.  The great story of the day was a third place age-group finisher who lost his saddle at mile 25, improvised a new one with his water bottle and actually straddled the thing for the remaining 87 miles. Ruth Kazez

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I got a Sports Instruments HRM from Supergo.com.  It’s really good, so far, and you can’t beat the price.  A friend of mine had a lower-level Sports Instruments HRM, and when he had a problem with it, they were very good with helping him out.  That’s my suggestion… Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to buy a new heart rate monitor, and need some advice.  I would like one that has average HR, max HR, time in and out of training zone, and allows the use of stopwatch functions during training.  Don’t know if computer download capabilities are worth the extra money. I did see what seems like a good price on the Polar Coach (I think this is last year’s model).  It seems to have what I need.  Does anyone have experience with this model? Also any ideas on where to get the best price? Any help would be appreciated.

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I have the Polar Coach with PC Coach Light and give it a definite thumbs up. The quality is very high and it has been quite reliable for the past 6 months. I had another Polar model for about 10 years and was satisfied with it as well. Some people report fitting problems with the chest strap and some problems getting it started. Since I sweat profusely, I’ve never had a problem getting an accurate reading even on a dry winter day. I have a 43 " chest and the strap fits me fine. Also, mine works well in the swimming pool, though some people report that theirs leaks water in the pool and doesn’t keep good track of their heart rate. (Polar will replace the seal for you.) The only pool related problem I’ve had is when I do a flip turn, and extend my arms for the glide off the wall, the chest strap will slip down a little. Prices have dropped significantly, and PC Coach Light makes a nice log book. The new Polar models use infrared uploading I believe, which is probably greatly superior to the sound uploading of the Coach model. That’s possibly the best reason for springing for the pricier model, but the Coach will do fine IMHO. Best Regards, Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I need to buy a new heart rate monitor, and need some advice.  I would like one that has average HR, max HR, time in and out of training zone, and allows the use of stopwatch functions during training.  Don’t know if computer download capabilities are worth the extra money. I did see what seems like a good price on the Polar Coach (I think this is last year’s model).  It seems to have what I need.  Does anyone have experience with this model? Also any ideas on where to get the best price? Any help would be appreciated.

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I need to buy a new heart rate monitor, and need some advice.  I would like one that has average HR, max HR, time in and out of training zone, and allows the use of stopwatch functions during training.  Don’t know if computer download capabilities are worth the extra money. I did see what seems like a good price on the Polar Coach (I think this is last year’s model).  It seems to have what I need.  Does anyone have experience with this model? Also any ideas on where to get the best price? Any help would be appreciated.

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I have used the Polar Coach for the last year and have been very pleased with it for training and racing.  Most interesting is this spring I’ve been able to print up HR charts from two 10k races and compare it to HR charts from the same two races last spring.  Very interesting.  I always like to see how my splits compare from year to year but now I can observe HR’s comparisons right along side with timed splits.  I am really looking forward to seeing comparisons of HR charts between last years Tri’s and this years. Sincerely, Rick Swanger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to buy a new heart rate monitor, and need some advice.  I would like one that has average HR, max HR, time in and out of training zone, and allows the use of stopwatch functions during training.  Don’t know if computer download capabilities are worth the extra money. I did see what seems like a good price on the Polar Coach (I think this is last year’s model).  It seems to have what I need.  Does anyone have experience with this model? Also any ideas on where to get the best price? Any help would be appreciated.

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I owned one for six months before I was confident that I was using it correctly.  I think that triathlon rewards mental toughness so much that my tendnacy was to press too hard too often. Knowing your HR settings and sticking to a strategy gives you the "excuse" you need to convert a hard workout into a sensible one. Now, that having been said, you don’t need allot of the fancy bolt-on features for that objective.  In fact, if you don’t use the HRM consistently, you may be stuck with an over-engineered gizmo that sits in your sock drawer.  Maybe less is more(?). rsquared – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to buy a new heart rate monitor, and need some advice.  I would like one that has average HR, max HR, time in and out of training zone, and allows the use of stopwatch functions during training.  Don’t know if computer download capabilities are worth the extra money.

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I use my HRM every workout, and can honestly say it has helped me improve much more than I could without it.   The only thing I didn’t like about them was the price. So many Multi Sport shops charge incredible amounts for these HRMs.  So, I thought I’d try to get in quantity for less.  I did, and now I can get them to you for less. All with a COMLETE 1 YEAR WARRANTY from Polar.  All HRMs listed are Water Resistent to 20 Meters, and are wireless.  Batteries are included, as are complete directions on how to use your HRM.  Compare to your local shops’ prices, and I think you’ll be suprised. Ordering info is at the bottom of this message. Polar Favor    Simplest model.  No special features – it just shows you    your heart rate.    Suggested Retail: $119.00    Your Price:       $100.00  ($95.00 for quantity 5) Polar Pacer (BEST VALUE)    In my mind, this model is all you ever need in a HRM.    Features: Heart Rate, Alarms for high and low              targets, Clock with alarm.  The Alarms              allow you to set a target zone in which              the alarm will not go off.  This feature              is probably the most important feature of              any HRM.    Suggested Retail: $159.00    Your Price:       $125.00  ($120.00 for quantity 1) Polar Edge    Features: Displays Heart Rate and Total time of exercise.              Hi/Low Target Alarms (see Pacer for description).              Computes and displays total time above the lower              target zone.    Suggested Retail: $189.00    Your Price:       $149.00  ($144.00 for quantity 5) Polar Accurex II    Features: Displays lap time, time of day or stopwatch, and              Heart Rate.              Records 44 lap times and corresponding heart rate.              Computes and displays average HR for entire workout.              Hi/Low target zone, settable to 1 beat increments.              Computes and displays time below, in, and above              your target zone.              Complete sportswatch functions.              … and more.    Suggested Retail: $249.00 (Yikes!)    Your Price:       $204.00  ($199.00 for quantity 5) Polar Vantage XL    Too bloody expensive, but if your interested let me know.    This one can hook up to your PC for downloading data for    performance evaluation. Questions: Call: 619.792.8743 (Home)       619.546.5331 (Work) Order Info:    $4.99 for S&H (Cont. US)    Cash discount, for local orders.    Tax: Add 7%    Send Check or Money Order to:    FitWise    162 Via De La Valle    Solana Beach, CA 92075    Allow 3-5 Weeks for delivery. —              |     —–       Even a Stopped Clock      |              |    /  |        Gives the Right Time      |              |   |   |   |          Twice a Day!         |              |   |     |                               |              |       /         John R. Lanpheer       | — * DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is          * * personal opinion, not an official statement of Biosym Technologies, Inc.    *

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…..   these HRMs.  So, I thought I’d try to get in quantity for less.  I did, and now I can get them to you for less. ……   FitWise

I believe that Creative Health Products can beat these prices and they do their own service.  Their phone # is 800-742-4478. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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….. these HRMs.  So, I thought I’d try to get in quantity for less.  I did, and now I can get them to you for less. ……   FitWise I believe that Creative Health Products can beat these prices and they do their own service.  Their phone # is 800-742-4478. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

Well, I called ‘em and here’s what I got: HRM             Their Price     My Old Price    My New Price Polar Favor     98.00           100.00          96.00 Polar Pacer     127.90          125.00          125.00 (unchanged) Polar Edge      159.00          149.00          149.00 (unchanged) Polar AccurexII 198.00          204.00          198.00 And yes, they are a certified Polar Repair Shop, but you can also send it directly to polar for repairs (a more reliable option I think). (Additional discounts for quantity orders, or LOCAL cash orders) —              |   — @       John R. Lanpheer     — @   |              |     /|/                            /|/ |              |  – |_     (619) 546 – 5331     — |_  |              |     / /                             / /  | — * DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is          * * personal opinion, not an official statement of Biosym Technologies, Inc.    *

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Hi, Since Triathlon is a fairly expensive sport I guess lots of athletes get sponsored by a or more compagnies. I’m a student who wants to get into it and train for 10-12 hours a week. But the costs are a bit high…for instance I can’t afford a decent wetsuit and use an oversized surfing suit etc etc.. I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… Do you just write or …how? Thanks                 Niels.

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I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor…

First, you have to be FAST!  Like 1500m swim in 16 minutes.  Like 30 MPH on the bike.  Like 5 minute miles in the marathon. And how do you get fast?  You TRAIN!  In the morning you do 50 x 100m repeats in the pool on 1:10.  At lunch time you get on the bike and ride 150 miles in the mountains.  Then in the evening you do 50 x 400m track repeats, descending the times from 90 to 50 seconds.  And that’s on your EASY days. Once you get fast enough to win some minor races, like Ironman, you might attract the attention of a few sponsors.  There are actually 2 or 3 pros who make enough to cover their entry fees.  Or maybe you can go into a big-money sport, like golf. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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: Hi, : I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… : Do you just write or …how? – When it comes right down to it, we’re all starving triathletes

     just trying to pay the bills.  And if anyone has the secret of      sponsorship, they should bottle it and sell it to all of us      who would love to get the high tech toys for cheap.      Good luck Niels, both in sponsorships, and triathlon. -richd

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I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… First, you have to be FAST! …

Actually, this is a big misconception by most of the elite triathletes and this is why they don’t have many sponsorships. First of all, I’m not pro and probably never will (but I have beaten pros before ).  I have had some sort of sponsorship for the past couple of years.  Sponsors don’t just want to give a hand-out, you need to market yourself from the perspective what you can/will do for the sponsor.  Also, don’t overlook local sponsors, clubs for sponsorships.  I know of many instances where all travel costs to go to a major race (world championship…) where picked up by a local club/shop.  Also, don’t overlook partial sponsorships (which is what most age group triathletes get).  Last year, I picked up a set of Zipp wheels for $200 from a local shop who gave me partial sponsorship. You need to be very personable with a company– just not a name on a sheet of paper.  A friend of mine had his complete bike supplied by Cannondale this year.  He talked with the region sales rep and sent them his resume. Note: he’s a good racer, but not the best in the region (usually top 10 finisher).  However, he is very likeable. Softride is sponsoring me this year.  I met Sandy Liman from Softride during the Pedal the Peaks tour last year which came through Los Alamos. Sandy says that what matters to Softride is selling more bikes (that’s pretty obvious).  What that entails is letting people ride your bike, talking it up if you like it etc…  However, you don’t have as much opportunity to do this during a race as you do on a weekend training ride or a century.  This is what is important– making the sponsors product visible.  Not necessarily winning with it.  If you do both, then you become like the big 4 or Paula Newby-Fraser and get the big bucks. — Pat Brug, Ph.D.   Los Alamos National Laboratory "Home of the TriATOMICS" compuserve:  72410, 3372        

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Since Triathlon is a fairly expensive sport I guess lots of athletes get sponsored by a or more compagnies. I’m a student who wants to get into it and train for 10-12 hours a week. But the costs are a bit high…for instance I can’t afford a decent wetsuit and use an oversized surfing suit etc etc.. I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… Do you just write or …how?

I’m doing competitive lifesaving in Japan, and I usually took 2nd or 3rd place in the surf ironman at the competitions such as All Japan. And the crafts which are used for the race are rather expensive.  So, I and my team mates look for the sponsors.  However, the lifesaving is minor sport in Japan and we haven’t succeeded in finding any sponsors. C-ya! —–       .-“’.      Regards from Surf!      .”’-.     .`   (`~  T a i k i  F u k u n a g a  ~`)   ‘.

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Path: I am looking for a Swiftshift setup for my Profile Aerobar II. Anyone have a set (complete) or know where I can get them cheaper than the mail order houses (Nash. and Perf.)

I just sold my Swiftshift since it didn’t give me enough hand positions for the AirStryke bar.  An alternative that I found (and is cheaper ) is the 3TTT Bioshift.  The Bioshift clamps around the bar and you can adjust its position around your hands (not the other way around).  I believe it cost $29.95 and I had to have my local bike shop special order it.  Note: it does not come with cables; however, I bought STI cables ($2.95) and found them plenty long enough. Good luck! Pat

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Hi, Since Triathlon is a fairly expensive sport I guess lots of athletes get sponsored by a or more compagnies. I’m a student who wants to get into it and train for 10-12 hours a week. But the costs are a bit high…for instance I can’t afford a decent wetsuit and use an oversized surfing suit etc etc.. I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… Do you just write or …how? Thanks                

 Niels.         Please post a summary of the responses.  I’m sure there are several of us interested in the same issue. Mark Ludorf

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I am looking for a Swiftshift setup for my Profile Aerobar II. Anyone have a set (complete) or know where I can get them cheaper than the mail order houses (Nash. and Perf.) Drop me an e-mail note. Mark Ludorf

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I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… First, you have to be FAST!  Like 1500m swim in 16 minutes.  Like 30 MPH on the bike.  Like 5 minute miles in the marathon.

Thats a 1:40 olympic distance – very fast. And how do you get fast?  You TRAIN!  In the morning you do 50 x 100m repeats in the pool on 1:10.  At lunch time you get on the bike and ride 150 miles in the mountains.  Then in the evening you do 50 x 400m track repeats, descending the times from 90 to 50 seconds.  And that’s on your EASY days.

A quick back of the envelope :   swim     1.5 hours   (must warm up/down with those intervals)   bike     6   hours   (25mph avg = fast over 150 mountain miles)   run      1.5 hours   (warm up/down again)           ====            9   hours on your easy days?! Doesnt really sound credible. Unless, of course, you are a person of independent means and have *years* of conditioning behind you Once you get fast enough to win some minor races, like Ironman, you might attract the attention of a few sponsors.  There are actually 2 or 3 pros who make enough to cover their entry fees.  Or maybe you can go into a big-money sport, like golf. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

–                                                               __o      o       Jim Simmons, Lower Hutt, New Zealand           ____/o__   _ |/<_     <      

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I wonder how other athletes get their sponsor… First, you have to be FAST! … Actually, this is a big misconception by most of the elite triathletes and this is why they don’t have many sponsorships.

Actually I think he was trying to be funny/sarcastic, whatever. In any case he didn’t help anybody. First of all, I’m not pro and probably never will (but I have beaten pros before ).  I have had some sort of sponsorship for the past couple of years.  Sponsors don’t just want to give a hand-out, you need to market

etc. Thanks for an informative post on the subject.

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