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I don’t know what state you live in Treemoss, but in Wisconsin, that person would go to jail for at least manslaughter and sit in prison for a lot more than 4 years. I think our state laws are a bit lenient in regards to repeat offenders, but when someone dies, the laws are pretty good. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you can exact judgement on site before the police arrive. I am glad (no, sorry) to see that the rest of the world is as much of a pansy and candyass  and probably too PC with criminals as the US. Here in the US we have many drunks who go back out after no or ludicrous sentences and the repeat their crimes again. Better here to be a drunk driver who kills someone than to end up caught with a bit of weed. Boy, then you’d be thrown in jail.

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I don’t know what state you live in Treemoss, but in Wisconsin, that person would go to jail for at least manslaughter and sit in prison for a lot more than 4 years. I think our state laws are a bit lenient in regards to repeat offenders, but when someone dies, the laws are pretty good.

You sure about that?  CA certainly doesn’t get it done.  Recently an English driver was on the road side of the road and head on’d into a motorcyclist, killing him.  May have even been probation.  In a more serious case, a guy in a pickup ran down and killed a biker who he’d been jawing with, dragged the body a few blocks.  A few years.  Manslaughter generally is a light sentence – 5 years would be substantial. But the problem really is that most freeway fatalities don’t even qualify for manslaughter, even if the driver was derelict in their driving.  Using a cell phone or reaching for a cassette tape and then causing a death probably won’t get you jail time at all.  Involuntary manslaughter isn’t a biggie in the scheme of things.  It’s a moral question – how do you punish someone that really didn’t intend to cause the accident?  Do we treat them the same as if they pulled a trigger?  You hate to see the carnage on bicyclists and other motorists, but at the same time they aren’t murderers.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what state you live in Treemoss, but in Wisconsin, that person would go to jail for at least manslaughter and sit in prison for a lot more than 4 years. I think our state laws are a bit lenient in regards to repeat offenders, but when someone dies, the laws are pretty good. You sure about that?  CA certainly doesn’t get it done.  Recently an English driver was on the road side of the road and head on’d into a motorcyclist, killing him.  May have even been probation.  In a more serious case, a guy in a pickup ran down and killed a biker who he’d been jawing with, dragged the body a few blocks.  A few years.  Manslaughter generally is a light sentence – 5 years would be substantial. But the problem really is that most freeway fatalities don’t even qualify for manslaughter, even if the driver was derelict in their driving.  Using a cell phone or reaching for a cassette tape and then causing a death probably won’t get you jail time at all.  Involuntary manslaughter isn’t a biggie in the scheme of things.  It’s a moral question – how do you punish someone that really didn’t intend to cause the accident?  Do we treat them the same as if they pulled a trigger?  You hate to see the carnage on bicyclists and other motorists, but at the same time they aren’t murderers.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

        This is an interesting question. I’ve seen several cases where the defendant of the drunken driving "accident" have been charged with manslaughter. I’ve often wondered what the line was between manslaughter and involentary manslaughter. Do you treat someone the same for a DUI as a cell phone distraction? Both have made a conscience descion to do something that has caused an injury or death. The same would apply to a sleepy driver or reckless driver. However at least what I’ve seen we have a tendancy to nail a drunk to a wall and let the guy who fell asleep or picked up the cell get off pretty much scott free.         I agree that it is a moral question. Unfortunely morals change with the tide of emotion, particularly in this country. What ever the hot topic is on CNN or NBC is what gets hit the hardest. If MADD makes a big showing somewhere you bet your pants the next poor sapp that gets nailed with a DUI is going down hard. If some senator gets hit by someone on a cell phone there’ll be a new crack down or law in place by the weekend. ~Matt  

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To make matters worse, the woman who ran down and killed Luke Harrop was actually sentenced over a number of issues to accumulate the 4 years. Unlawful use of a motor vehicle and leaving the scene of an accident were just two. Couple this with the fact that she was recently released from jail for car theft makes this situation seem ludicrous, and the sentence was "in the upper range of those able to be imposed by the court". Some times I think that 10 minutes alone with the family would be a better deterent.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was the woman who killed Harrop on heroin at the time of the accident?  If so, I would hope the sentence would be greater than 2 years in most western countries. Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away. If this would have happened in Germany the outcome for the car driver would have been the same. With a   g_o_o_d   lawyer the driver may even get away with some money penalty if it was the first car crash. I was almost killed by a professional bus driver yesterday. Frank

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In some areas of the country they’ll just tell you to stay the hell off the roads on a bike as the roads belong to cars. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.    This is a regular fair here in the US. Although in recent years there has been a more sever attitude towards DUI’s etc. I would suspect however a Heroin addict would get off easier here because of our glorious "Victim" mentallity. "Oh the poor (Insert your choice) has a drug problem. They didn’t know what they were doing. They need help not punishemnet"    Just last weekend we had a cyclist run over about two miles from my house. They cyclist later died. I have not confirmed this but was told the driver of the vehicle was reaching for their cell phone, crossed the line and lost control of the vehicle. The driver then ran over the cyclist on the shoulder of the opposite lane. ~Matt

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Chris, Heard the verdict today.  We would do pretty much the same here in NZ, much to my shame. As far as I am concerned, its murder, do the time. Cheers, Nige

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.

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If you can exact judgement on site before the police arrive. I am glad (no, sorry) to see that the rest of the world is as much of a pansy and candyass  and probably too PC with criminals as the US. Here in the US we have many drunks who go back out after no or ludicrous sentences and the repeat their crimes again. Better here to be a drunk driver who kills someone than to end up caught with a bit of weed. Boy, then you’d be thrown in jail.

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Was the woman who killed Harrop on heroin at the time of the accident?  If so, I would hope the sentence would be greater than 2 years in most western countries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away. If this would have happened in Germany the outcome for the car driver would have been the same. With a   g_o_o_d   lawyer the driver may even get away with some money penalty if it was the first car crash. I was almost killed by a professional bus driver yesterday. Frank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.

        This is a regular fair here in the US. Although in recent years there has been a more sever attitude towards DUI’s etc. I would suspect however a Heroin addict would get off easier here because of our glorious "Victim" mentallity. "Oh the poor (Insert your choice) has a drug problem. They didn’t know what they were doing. They need help not punishemnet"         Just last weekend we had a cyclist run over about two miles from my house. They cyclist later died. I have not confirmed this but was told the driver of the vehicle was reaching for their cell phone, crossed the line and lost control of the vehicle. The driver then ran over the cyclist on the shoulder of the opposite lane. ~Matt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.

If this would have happened in Germany the outcome for the car driver would have been the same. With a   g_o_o_d   lawyer the driver may even get away with some money penalty if it was the first car crash. I was almost killed by a professional bus driver yesterday. Frank

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Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.

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NAME: Allen E. CITY: Oak Ridge Time: 05:10 PM Comments Yesterday, 4-time GFT finisher Nick Perry was on a ride with a neo-roadie friend of ours named Dean Waters, when Dean was plowed over by a van driven by a drunken, blind 85-year-old man. They were on a relatively safe stretch of road in Oliver Springs, Tn, on Hwy 62, when the van crossed the white line and hit Dean from behind. Dean went under the van (hair and tissue samples were taken from the undercarriage) and broke several ribs, his pelvis, his T12 vertebra, and lacerated his liver. He’s 66 and in phenomenal shape. I know I don’t have to tell you to be careful out there, since all of you are well aware of the idiots, fools, and just plain old bad people out there on the roads. I don’t have a good philosophical understanding of this situation, except just to think that this was Dean’s time to suffer–and even that is unsatisfactory for this jewel of a human being. Nick says that Dean’s helmet was in as many pieces as his Trek 5500, and that it undoubtedly saved his life. Me, I’m glad that I’ve taken up mountain biking and can choose whether I want to risk my ass. I’m not that sure about road riding right now. A.E. (GFT ‘96, ‘98, ‘00, ‘01) (IMUSA ‘00, ‘01, DNS ‘02) — Bernie Hall                                   o                   __o       </_                   <       __/    /o__  (0)  (0)         /    __o ^^^^^^                          ^   ^      2.4      112       26.2   Great Floridian Triathlon   2000~12:40.14   2001~12:30.36

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ive never posted to this site before, but I am just wondering what the situation is overseas regarding the following? Recently one of our top triathletes, Luke Harrop was run over and killed by a heroin addict that hadnt slept for 30 hours, driving a stolen car. The judgement has just been made and she received 4 years, but will be out in 18 months if she behaves herself. This isnt the first time its happened and is getting to be a fairly regular occurance over here. Im just wondering if this happens a lot elsewhere and whether the assholes that are driving the car get away with it so easily. The judges here need to get some balls and stop acting on past precedents and put these fuckers away.

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You can also run a 20c tire up front and a 23c in the rear which is what I’ve always done.  

Probably won’t make any difference on non-aero or semi-aero rims/wheels.  Seems like he’d be best to stay with the safety of the 23s. 115 PSI is the pressure to place in the tire.  Don’t go higher, you can go a bit lower if the roads are wet or extremely rough.

From his post I gathered there was a suggested range of 115-125 lbs. (I could be wrong).  If so, I’d recommend the higher value for a 205# rider if only  to help avoid pinch flats. -Kevin Munday

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My friend just lent me his road bike for a triathlon. I was checking out the tires and they looked somewhat wider than what I have seen on tri bikes. The tire in question is a Specialized Turbo 700×23C on a Mavic CXP 30. Perhaps I am wrong, but they definitley don’t look like those razor thin tires that I have seen. Is this accepable or is this  what folks really use in triathlons? Also how much am I supposed to inflate the tires up to? This is what the tires read and  I can’t make sense of this : (115 PSI/125 PSI 8.0 BAR/8.5 BAR). I weigh 205lb. Thanks for your input in advance.

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I assume this is one of your first races if you are borrowing a bike.  The tires will be fine. Inflate to between 115psi to 125psi just before riding. Bar is more of a european method of measuring tire pressure.

1 Bar = 14.7 psi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My friend just lent me his road bike for a triathlon. I was checking out the tires and they looked somewhat wider than what I have seen on tri bikes. The tire in question is a Specialized Turbo 700×23C on a Mavic CXP 30. Perhaps I am wrong, but they definitley don’t look like those razor thin tires that I have seen. Is this accepable or is this  what folks really use in triathlons? Also how much am I supposed to inflate the tires up to? This is what the tires read and  I can’t make sense of this : (115 PSI/125 PSI 8.0 BAR/8.5 BAR). I weigh 205lb.

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My friend just lent me his road bike for a triathlon. I was checking out the tires and they looked somewhat wider than what I have seen on tri bikes. The tire in question is a Specialized Turbo 700×23C on a Mavic CXP 30. Perhaps I am wrong, but they definitley don’t look like those razor thin tires that I have seen. Is this accepable or is this  what folks really use in triathlons? Also how much am I supposed to inflate the tires up to? This is what the tires read and  I can’t make sense of this : (115 PSI/125 PSI 8.0 BAR/8.5 BAR). I weigh 205lb. Thanks for your input in advance.

700 X 23c is fine especially if you are a larger rider and ride on rough roads.  You can also run a 20c tire up front and a 23c in the rear which is what I’ve always done.  115 PSI is the pressure to place in the tire.  Don’t go higher, you can go a bit lower if the roads are wet or extremely rough.  Make sure to get a good floor pump with guage and inflate your tires each time you ride. Hope this helps. Steve Harad Endless Pools Triathlon Rep www.endlesspools.com

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I assume this is one of your first races if you are borrowing a bike.  The tires will be fine. Inflate to between 115psi to 125psi just before riding. Bar is more of a european method of measuring tire pressure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My friend just lent me his road bike for a triathlon. I was checking out the tires and they looked somewhat wider than what I have seen on tri bikes. The tire in question is a Specialized Turbo 700×23C on a Mavic CXP 30. Perhaps I am wrong, but they definitley don’t look like those razor thin tires that I have seen. Is this accepable or is this  what folks really use in triathlons? Also how much am I supposed to inflate the tires up to? This is what the tires read and  I can’t make sense of this : (115 PSI/125 PSI 8.0 BAR/8.5 BAR). I weigh 205lb.

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Surin avoids disqualification Sprinter appeared to false-start twice From today’s Ottawa Citizen: Bruny Surin, a world and Olympic medallist, appeared to false-start twice in the quarter-final round, but track officials waved it off without explanation. … Ottawa’s Glenroy Gilbert, who ran beside Surin in Lane 5, was furious immediately after stepping off the track. "Why not ask the officials?" said Gilbert, when quizzed about the disputed second false start against Surin. "They know what happened, and I’m sure you do, too." … Cameroon runner Alfred Moussambini, who started in Lane 8, said Surin was saved by the fact the international competition was held in Canada. "They (track officials) say there was no false start," Moussambini explained. "There was no charge because, I think, I’m sure, we’re in Canada. "I’m sure if it was another guy, it would be immediate (disqualification). But we’re in Canada." Complete article at: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/010721/5033359.html Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Surin avoids disqualification Sprinter appeared to false-start twice From today’s Ottawa Citizen: Bruny Surin, a world and Olympic medallist, appeared to false-start twice in the quarter-final round, but track officials waved it off without explanation.

On French TV (Radio-Canada) last night they said it was a case of the recall mechanism firing by mistake. Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Ottawa’s Glenroy Gilbert, who ran beside Surin in Lane 5, was furious immediately after stepping off the track. "Why not ask the officials?" said Gilbert, when quizzed about the disputed second false start against Surin. "They know what happened, and I’m sure you do, too." … Cameroon runner Alfred Moussambini, who started in Lane 8, said Surin was saved by the fact the international competition was held in Canada. "They (track officials) say there was no false start," Moussambini explained. "There was no charge because, I think, I’m sure, we’re in Canada. "I’m sure if it was another guy, it would be immediate (disqualification). But we’re in Canada." Complete article at: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/010721/5033359.html Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Today’s Ottawa Citizen: Paul Dupre, the Games’ executive director of sport, said yesterday that the starter and three assistant starters determined there had been no false start because of an electrical malfunction of the starting-block mechanism that determines a runner’s reaction time to the sound of the gun. Saturday an official from the Finishlynx timing company refuted that claim. "There was no technical malfunction. None," said the official on the condition of anonymity, whose company is in charge of timing here. More…at: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports1/stories/010722/5037952.html Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Surin avoids disqualification Sprinter appeared to false-start twice From today’s Ottawa Citizen: Bruny Surin, a world and Olympic medallist, appeared to false-start twice in the quarter-final round, but track officials waved it off without explanation. On French TV (Radio-Canada) last night they said it was a case of the recall mechanism firing by mistake. Daniel … Ottawa’s Glenroy Gilbert, who ran beside Surin in Lane 5, was furious immediately after stepping off the track. "Why not ask the officials?" said Gilbert, when quizzed about the disputed second false start against Surin. "They know what happened, and I’m sure you do, too." … Cameroon runner Alfred Moussambini, who started in Lane 8, said Surin was saved by the fact the international competition was held in Canada. "They (track officials) say there was no false start," Moussambini explained. "There was no charge because, I think, I’m sure, we’re in Canada. "I’m sure if it was another guy, it would be immediate (disqualification). But we’re in Canada." Complete article at: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/010721/5033359.html Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Mine is dead on. I’ll reefer you to the post "Pot and running" — W. Vidrine wkvidrine/at/email.msn.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the date didn’t change until the middle of the day. I would have thought that it was just accidental button pushing but my daughter told me hers did the same thing about the same time. Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? Does it happen often? Just wondering, Mike

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<< I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. Loss of blocks of time is common in alien abduction cases.   If I were you I would…oh wait excuse me.  The doorbell. &^)(()*   NO CARRIER Genifer – dept of defe…uh…a nice lady

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Tom,     You’re right. I let my daughter set my watch back from daylight savings. I bet she got both of them wrong. Since I hadn’t used it except for running until 11/6, I didn’t notice. mystery solved, Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My guess would be that you got the time off when you changes back to standard time from daylight savings. me you state the error in and the date of the time change 10/31 this year makes me suspect an operator error. Tom : I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon : 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 : it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see : the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the : date didn’t change until the middle of the day. : I would have thought that it was just accidental : button pushing but my daughter told me hers did : the same thing about the same time. : Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? : Does it happen often? : Just wondering, : Mike

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Possibly a trip back across the international date line might help? DallasWhite Rock Half-Marathon (1st attempt) Time 2:42:23, Age (40-44): 213/228 Overall male: 1347/1379 Not quite a stellar performance but I’ll take it. Happy Running!

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I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the date didn’t change until the middle of the day. I would have thought that it was just accidental button pushing but my daughter told me hers did the same thing about the same time. Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? Does it happen often? Just wondering, Mike

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My guess would be that you got the time off when you changes back to standard time from daylight savings. me you state the error in and the date of the time change 10/31 this year makes me suspect an operator error. Tom : I have last years model of the Timex Triathlon : 50 lap watch. Sometime between 11/1 and 11/6 : it seems to have skipped 12 hours. It’s hard to see : the A and P so I wouldn’t have noticed except the : date didn’t change until the middle of the day. : I would have thought that it was just accidental : button pushing but my daughter told me hers did : the same thing about the same time. : Has any one else noticed theirs doing the same thing? : Does it happen often? : Just wondering, : Mike

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Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts?

IMOZ has had collared Polo shirts for a few years now.  They feature a tasteful embroidered logo that says Finisher and the year.  Each year the shirt is a different colour. A couple of years ago they used a printed logo and the complaints made them go back to the embroidery. There is also a competitors long sleeved T shirt, but you only get the finishers shirt if you actually finish. You can buy polo shirts as souvenirs, but they are always different to the finishers shirt and not easily mistaken.  I reckon Ken and Glenda are doing it right! — Lyn

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IME had nice dark blue polo shirts in 1997, last year I got an ugly yellow t shirt. Phil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? I’ve seen photos from years back of IMH finishers, with polo-style shirts. Perhaps any recent IMH, IMC, IME or IMOZ could respond. Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to. TIA. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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IM Oz rewards finishers with a short-sleeved polo shirt.  It was dark blue this year, black last year, and, I think, grey the year before, with ‘Ironman Australia Finisher’ and the year embroidered on the front left. They’re OK (my only complaint is that even the smaller sizes are large!). Before the race we got long sleeved ‘competitor’ T shirts, too. Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? I’ve seen photos from years back of IMH finishers, with polo-style shirts. Perhaps any recent IMH, IMC, IME or IMOZ could respond. Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to. TIA. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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IM-OZ hands out a cool looking, good quality, polo shirt with the "finisher" etc details embroidered in multiple colours on the upper l/h side. Last year it was black, this year it was a very dark blue. — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? I’ve seen photos from years back of IMH finishers, with polo-style shirts. Perhaps any recent IMH, IMC, IME or IMOZ could respond. Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to. TIA. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? I’ve seen photos from years back of IMH finishers, with polo-style shirts. Perhaps any recent IMH, IMC, IME or IMOZ could respond. Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to. TIA. Mike

Mike: This year at IMNZ, finishers actually got a long-sleeve style finishers polo shirt for their efforts. I was pleasantly surprised. As for other races, they do give t-shirts at the finish line, but you can probably buy other finishers items from  the merchandiser who is licenced to sell official Ironman goods like coats, glasses, pins, etc. This was the case in IMC the last couple of years and I believe they sold *everything* two days after the race. I hope this helps.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Great Floridian has finisher polo shirts for sale after the race.
I wear mine often, but the graphics are quite subtle, so I take
delight in having cuties peer closely at my manly
chest trying to read the shirt !! :)
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Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to.

I think this question is anything but trivial. Race Directors take note!  I’ve got over 25 tri t-shirts already. If they were all *white* t-shirts it would be very boring. As it stands, I’m very happy that in recent years more colours have been chosen to mix things up in my wardrobe. And yeah, I prefer the more subtle designs versus having TRIATHLON SERIES printed in bold block letters somewhere. The one good thing about those Try-a-Tri races is that there’s so many different sub-races (long, short, du, try)  that some shirts don’t even bother listing the distances (another thing I don’t care for). arthur "all my expensive clothes are some combination of polyester, nylon, lycra, Gortex, and synthetic chamois" tateishi — Unix doesn’t have a monopoly on good ideas, it just owns most of them.     – Alan Cox (http://slashdot.org/features/99/03/04/121242.shtml)

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Do any current IM races worldwide have Finisher ‘Polo’ shirts as opposed to ‘T’-shirts? I’ve seen photos from years back of IMH finishers, with polo-style shirts. Perhaps any recent IMH, IMC, IME or IMOZ could respond. Sorry if this post seems trivial, but it is a genuine question I’d like to know the answer to. TIA. Mike Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Could somebody please supply me with details of the organisers of the Edinburgh Marathon? Postal address / telephone number / fax number / email address / website in fact anything. TIA pete

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Edinburgh Marathon

26th Sept- Sun Puma Edinburgh Marathon Entry Hotline: 0131 529 7882 Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Edinburgh Marathon 26th Sept- Sun Puma Edinburgh Marathon Entry Hotline: 0131 529 7882 Ken

Ta Ken pete

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I wanted a set of sealskin socks.  Couldn’t find them in the NRS catalog. I’m going to be safety boating for a triathlon here in Phoenix, and my old booties have had it. Perfect excuse to go buy something. Dave non-RBP clique member/Lurker Permit #0437 Necky Tesla & WildSys Alto – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just ordered something today (thursday), and asked if they can get it to me tomorrow morning (Friday) before I leave for a trip I’ll let you know if it gets here A tip: next time you need something in a hurry, try NRS first (http://www.nrsweb.com). They’ve come through for me any many others on fast desperation orders. — ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                          r.b.p. clique#4         "They write books that contradict the rocks…"

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I just ordered something today (thursday), and asked if they can get it to me tomorrow morning (Friday) before I leave for a trip I’ll let you know if it gets here

A tip: next time you need something in a hurry, try NRS first (http://www.nrsweb.com). They’ve come through for me any many others on fast desperation orders. — ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                          r.b.p. clique#4         "They write books that contradict the rocks…"

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A few years ago I had a frustrating experience ordering merchandise from WRR.  Has there customer service improved, or are they still a company to avoid?

This came up again about 6 months ago and a few people had supportive things to say.  I would try ordering again, but tell them FILL or KILL – do not backorder.  Let us know how it goes. – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)

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I just ordered something today (thursday), and asked if they can get it to me tomorrow morning (Friday) before I leave for a trip I’ll let you know if it gets here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years ago I had a frustrating experience ordering merchandise from WRR.  Has there customer service improved, or are they still a company to avoid? This came up again about 6 months ago and a few people had supportive things to say.  I would try ordering again, but tell them FILL or KILL – do not backorder.  Let us know how it goes. – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)

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A few years ago I had a frustrating experience ordering merchandise from WRR.  Has there customer service improved, or are they still a company to avoid?  Despite a vow to never do business with them again, they do have some products I can find no where else. DonR Lifetime Member of the Secret Clique of RPB Lurkers, ID #19.  

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There were approximately twelve (12) IMH updates on the IT Website on 1//26. Contact Anne Stein at insidetri.aol.com for details as to why you didn’t get access. (You were on aol, right?)

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During the IM weekend the new Inside Tri address was not accessible via AOL internet connection. The Triathlete website would also stall out while loading. Very frustrating, but I got excellent coverage thru Outside Online.

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: Amazing but true.  What the heck is going on with those guys??? : : I think you are not accessing the correct URL for the ironman : coverage.  They did have updates approx every 75 minutes during the : ironman.  This is the correct address– : http://www.insidetri.com/race/96ironman/96ironman.html Sure enough.  I was using an older URL, http://www.velonews.com/tri, which had all the pre-race stuff and so looked very promising, but never got updated – I bet just about everyone still has that link – it’s even on Marty’s page with that old address. Either it’s a mirror site that failed to get updated or it was the real site until just recently and with unfortunate timing they moved the Inside Triathlon portion to its own physical host but left the old and now static pages in place with no pointer to the new – whoops!  The two hosts are definitely separate at the moment: Name:    www.velonews.com Address:  205.168.121.3 Name:    www.insidetri.com Address:  205.169.123.82 Wade Blomgren http://hobbes.ucsd.edu/

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Amazing but true.  What the heck is going on with those guys??? Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

I think you are not accessing the correct URL for the ironman coverage.  They did have updates approx every 75 minutes during the ironman.  This is the correct address– http://www.insidetri.com/race/96ironman/96ironman.html Here’s is the Men’s race summary from Inside Tri Hawaii Ironman Men’s Race First time is the charm: Rookie Van Lierde wins! Same-day coverage by Chris Newbound                        Belgium Luc Van Lierde completed mission impossible today by winning the Hawaii Ironman on his first attempt                        at an Ironman distance race. Not only did he win, but he set a course record of 8:04:08, breaking Mark Allen’s                        Hawaii Ironman record of 8:07:45 set in 1993.                        Van Lierde, age 27, not only had to overcome inexperience to win his first, but also had to overcome a 3-minute                        drafting penalty that he received following the bike and before the run. After riding in dead even with last year’s                        runner-up Thomas Hellriegel, Van Lierde could only watch as Hellriegel was given his 3-minute head start on the                        run. Van Lierde wouldn’t see Hellriegel again until mile 24 of the run, which is when Van Lierde finally caught                        and passed Hellriegel — almost exactly the same spot that Allen caught Hellriegel last year. Hellriegel hung on for                        second again. His 8:06:07 was also good enough for a course record.                        The 1994 winner of Hawaii and one of the pre-race favorites, Greg Welch, faded on the run to finish third                        (8:18:57). Welch said he had to tip his hat to the two guys and was proud to be third in such a fast race.                        Canadian Peter Ried was fourth (8:24:37) and 42-year old, six-time Ironman winner Dave Scott finished fifth.                        Scott’s remarkable race included a 2:45:20 marathon that enabled him to come back from 21st place on the bike to finish fifth. Alexander Taubert was sixth, Peter Kropko was seventh; Jean Moureau was eighth. German Jurgen Zack, third after the bike, faltered on the run to finish in 11th. Conditions were less windy than last year’s race, but the lack of cloud coverage on the run made conditions very hot. Notable DNF’s included Jeff Devlin, and Cristian Bustos. This report posted at 9:30 p.m. EST. Belgian Luc Van Lierde has passed Thomas Hellriegel just past the 23-mile mark, and he is surging and looking very strong. This is close to the point where Mark Allen passed Hellriegel for the win at the 1995 Hawaii Ironman. Welch is still in third, at nine minutes, and has no chance of winning today’s race. And fourth is Peter Reid.                              Van Lierde on the bike                              This is Van Lierde’s first Hawaii Ironman, and was he forced to serve a three-minute penalty for drafting                              before he could begin his run.                              We’ll continue our reports through the run.                              This report posted at 7:50 p.m. EST.                              At nine miles into the run, Thomas Hellriegel remains at the front, with a 4:30 lead over Luc Van Lierde.                              Third is Peter Reid and fourth is Greg Welch, at nine minutes.                              Dave Scott is 27 minutes back from first place.                              We’ll continue our reports through the run. This report posted at 6:30 p.m. EST. As we get ready for the men to enter the bike-run transition, we’ve now been told that it was Luc Van Lierde who got the three-minute drafting penalty–not Hellriegel as we first reported. Van Lierde is the leader, but he’ll have to sit for three minutes in the transition area. Thomas Hellriegel is second, followed by Jurgen Zack. Peter Reid is fourth, and Greg Welch has moved in and out of fifth and sixth positions. This group is about six minutes down on Van Lierde. Welch is one of the best runners at the front, and he’ll work to run down Hellriegel. But Cristian Bustus is also a strong runner, and has posted a sub-2:50 marathon here. So the pair have their work cut out for them to chase down the strong European cyclists. Look for our next update at 7:30 p.m. EST, and please remember to hit "reload" on your browser when you check back. This report posted at 5:30 p.m. EST. At mile 70, Thomas Hellriegel leads the race, with Luc Van Lierde close by. Hellriegel has a three-minute drafting penalty that he’ll have to take when he finishes the bike leg. Then there’s a group of Michael McCormack, Ken Glah, Jurgen Zach, and Cristian Bustus. That group has a 15-second gap on Tim Weidoff, Peter Reid and Holger Lorenz. Greg Welch is about 6 minutes back from Hellriegel. Rainer Muller — who finished third last year — has been DQ’ed for getting into a fistfight with a 26-year-old Australian age grouper, Shane Smith. Smith was also booted from the race. Look for our next update at 6:30 p.m. EST, and please remember to hit "reload" on your browser when you check back. This report posted at 4:15 p.m. EST. Thomas Hellriegel has taken over the lead, 42.6 miles in to the bike leg. Second is Luc Van Lierde, and then Wolfgang Dittrich in third. Peter Reed, Greg Welch, Tim DeBoom, and Ken Glah rounded out the top six. At the bike turn-around, Dave Scott is riding with Rainer Muller, and the duo is about eight minutes behind Hellriegel. Winds are calm, and there’s little cloud cover. Look for our next update at 5:15 p.m. EST, and please remember to hit "reload" on your browser when you check back. This report posted at 3:15 p.m. EST.                        Wolfgang Dittrich is still the race leader, at the two-hour mark. He has about a 2:50 lead over Greg Welch and                        Tim DeBoom, who are second and third. Thomas Hellriegel and Rainer Muller are about five minutes back.                        Dave Scott is about three minutes down on the Germans.                        It appears that race officials are intent on enforcing the no-drafting rule, and there are reports from the course                        that nearly two dozen drafting calls have been made. If a rider is tapped for drafting, they must stop on the                        course long enough to put a foot down, and once they complete the bike portion of the course, must wait three                        minutes in the transition area before they can begin the run.                        Last year’s third place finisher, Rainer Muller, has reportedly been given a drafting notice.                        Look for our next update at 4:15 p.m. EST, and please remember to hit "reload" on your browser when you                        check back.                        This report posted at 2:10 p.m. EST.                                               First out of the water was Lars Jorgenson, with a time of 48:38. This was about                                               two minutes off his record-setting swim in 1995, when he was also first to finish                                               the swim. Wolfgang Dittrich was second, but had a faster transition, and was the                                               first athlete on to the bike course. Mike Davidson, from Florida, was the                                               third-fastest swimmer.                                               Neither Davidson or Jorgenson are considered to be factors in the bike and the                                               run, but Dittrich is a threat to take the overall title. Most of the other contenders                                               came out together; no one had any serious problems.                                               Look for our next update at 3:10 p.m. EST, and please remember to hit "reload"                                               on your browser when you check back. Mark Tri-Man Linenberg                                                                o                                           __O_/      </_    /o_                                            __/ http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~mlinenb/

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Amazing but true.  What the heck is going on with those guys??? Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Over the past few weeks, several posts to RST have been made that have hinted Steve Locke will probably lose the election.  If this turns out to be true, how will the sport be affected?  The sport will again  be dictated by a someone who seems uninterested in triathlon or those who participate and support it. I’m speaking of course, about our ole buddy Les.  If Les wins, he will do so by virtue of the 100’s of votes represented by countries that don’t even know what triathlon is.  Votes representing countries that don’t have triathletes. This IMO, seems wrong.  This  not the way to run an election for a minority sport such as triathlon.  I would like to see a voting system that represented the general population of triathletes.  That is the only way we can guarantee the best interest of those involved will be served. I wish the outcome is different than what has been projected, but I’m not holding my breath.  I pity the sport and the course it will take under the Les McDonald regiem. -Rich

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 The ITU President’s election will take place in Cleveland this upcoming Friday (23rd). A great deal is at stake. The way the administration of the sport will be carried on, if athletes will have significant input or not in the direction the sport is taken, how commercially appealing will triathlon become (it is difficult to be appealing when the sport remains controversial at the top), and if member countries will be allowed to practice their sovereign rights to select their own athletes to compete in international competition. Thanks to all of you who have supported the candidacy of Steven Locke for ITU President. Steve has stood for throughout this effort the right for athletes and member nations within the ITU to exercise the creation and implimentation of policy within the ITU, not just a chosen few individuals. USA Triathlon

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Tony-      Since you do your long rides already, you probably have a decent base. I wonder though what you are using for gearing on these rides. Common themes among triathletes are incorrect gearing (too high and too low). In order to be fast on the bike you need to be able to have leg strength. This means being able to push the big gear, however trying to push too big a gear will actually sloww you down. So, which gear do I push? Get out your HRM (or 2 fingers and watch). In your big ring find out your HR in different gears at the same cadence. Optimal cadence for most is 60-90rpms. I tend to keep to the 60 range. Once you know which gear you can push at a desired HR, design a program.  On long rides do some sprints (15-60 secs).  Keep in a small gear and try to spin at 100-120 rpms. Get full recovery between and do 10-20 reps. On interval days do 1-5 min intervals using a variety of gears and cadences. Should all be big gears!!! If you can do these with others in a pace line. Other ways to build strength include big gear interval into the wind at 20-50 rpms. Hill repeats with ankle weights strapped to the BIKE, not your LEGS!! This worked well for me. Another is to ride with Roadies who can teach you about riding skill. Overall though it is important to ride more, and in your big ring.  Good luck. If this is confusing e-mail me directly. Rich K

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 am a beginning triathlete(1 yr exp.) and would like tips on how to improve my  cycling. I am a swimmer, and have decent run times, but in the past have  discovered that I start out in the top after the swim, get passed horrendously on the ride, and hold my own, or pass people on the run. I would really like to reverse this trend, so tips would be appreciated. I have no problem doing long slow rides, but my speed leaves something to be desired. Thanks, Tony Berwald C long slow rides, but me speed leaves s — Anthony Edward Berwald Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp:     …!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt9407b

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