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Wow, when you come off a plateau, you really do it up proper!!! Congratulations on losing that 8.4 pounds. That bike really does eat the pounds off you! Elaine K 331.4/206.2/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast

Well, bless you, Father! — Alabama Worley, Hightstown, NJ, USA 234.6 (May 8,2000)/166.8 (Dec. 1, 2002)/165.6 (WAYOOYM goal) See the Amazing Shrinking Girl! http://community.webshots.com/user/lwieczez

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good grief roast, that is amazing!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Holy Toledo, Father!  8.4 pounds is amazing!!!!  Great!! — Kristin 272/234/150 WAYOOM 222

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Woohoo Father Roast, that ’s a fabulous loss ! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/116.1/2nd 10 % 108.5/Goal 68 Kg 295.6/255.9/2nd 10 % 239/Goal 150 pounds WAYOOM : 249 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Wow, that’s great! — SuzyQ 145 / 137.8 / 130 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Scared of you!!! how wonderful!!! Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Just getting caught up, Padre, and glad to see you! Congratulations on the whoosh! I was wondering what happened to you — now I know, you were out riding that bike again! LOL Tony Florida 259/245/155 (since Oct 9, ‘02) 1st 10% goal = 233; WAYOOM goal 246 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Hey, Kelvin! Good to see you back, and man, do you sound stoked! Glad you had a good time at home, too! Tony Florida 259/245/155 (since Oct 9, ‘02) 1st 10% goal = 233; WAYOOM goal 246

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175

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Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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WOW, that’s a lot! Congrats, Father Roast! — Joy 285/249.4/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Wow Kelvin, you did great over TurkeyDay!  I love trying on old clothes.. in fact I just raided my old closet at my parent’s house this weekend and got 3 sweaters and a vest that I had forgotten about. Best of luck to you in training for that triathlon.. wow.. I would never have the stamina to do such a thing.. lol, but more power to ya!  You have the determination that’s for sure!!! Take care, and keep up the good work!! — Kristin 272/234/150 WAYOOM 222

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Welcome back, Kelvin! Good luck with the triathlon training! — Joy 285/249.4/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Glad you had a good weekend.  I say your right about ‘nothing to lose and everything to gain’.  Goforit! — SuzyQ 145 / 137.8 / 130

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Way to go Kelvin!  Isn’t it great everyone noticed!  Good luck on training for your triathlon, keep us posted.  This is a wonderful goal! — Peggy We tend to get what we expect.–Norman Vincent Peale 251/219.5/172 10% Goal-10/24/02 Total loss: 31.5 wayoom goal-213

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Wow Kevin, a triathlon, that sounds like a great challenge ! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/117.7/2nd 10 % 108.5/Goal 68 Kg 295.6/259.5/2nd 10 % 239/Goal 150 pounds WAYOOM : 249

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Oh, I love to hear these kind of stories where everyone notices your loss!! Soon all those old clothes that fit you now, will be too lose for you also ;-D  - and you’d have to get some more. I wish you luck on your training. You have such a good outlook on that marathon. Even doing a small section of it is really something wonderful. Enjoy your training for it. Elaine K 331.4/206.2/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites.  

I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant  of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most* Of course you could *never* be wrong.

My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition.   Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites. I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most*

You suspect wrong.  The last Ironman broadcast (and most in the past) conisist of maybe 50/50 elite/human interest but probably closer to 35/65. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course you could *never* be wrong. My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition. Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

You also inferred crowds show up for the elites.  Well at the Gasparilla Distance Classic here in Tampa, the crowds have actually increased the last couple years since award money was discontinued.  Not even the overall winner gets $1, thus no elites show up.  And even still the crowds increase? I use to live in Chicago and both ran and attended the Chicago Marathon. People lining the course could careless about the elites.  If they cared so much, wouldn’t they all leave once the elites had passed by? Chris

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  CBC has the best coverage that can be seen in the US.  Even US sports channels (like ESPN) have really rotten coverage.  During Boston last year they showed the men’s and women’s leaders, and the top US male only when he happened to be in the lead pack.  I spent a great deal of time running with or near the lead AMerican women, but they were never televised (and only once did I even see a motorcycle come back and film them).  Seems like the American public would take at least as much interest as how our own best are doing as the foreign elite… Andy Hass

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The popularity of these events is linked to the human interest value they generate.

I agree to a certain extent when it comes to marathons and Iron Man competitions. OTOH, the networks have put so much emphasis on human interest stories in Olympics coverage over the years that it makes me want to throw up just to think about it. I want to watch the competitions. I could care less about the participants’ sob stories. — Robert

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You also inferred crowds show up for the elites. Well at the Gasparilla Distance Classic here in Tampa, the crowds have actually increased the last couple years since award money was discontinued. Not even the overall winner gets $1, thus no elites show up. And even still the crowds increase?

When I lived in Tampa,  I always wanted to run Gasparilla.  I haven’t even heard of it in the past few years.  I personally have no desire to run it now that the elite runners wouldn’t be there.  I’m more of a fan of the sport than a competitor.   The crowds that you mentioned aren’t fans of the elite sport of running. They are there to watch their friends run or take part in a fun activity.  I don’t see anything wrong with that, but that’s not what I want to see. I use to live in Chicago and both ran and attended the Chicago Marathon. People lining the course could careless about the elites. If they cared so much, wouldn’t they all leave once the elites had passed by?

That’s exactly what we did at Chicago.  We followed the elite runners for over 15 miles, catching them at different points.  I usually watch the Columbus marathon up to 3:00 hours and then leave.  If I were at the finish line of the New York or London Marathons, I would stay until the top 10 or so females finished.  I don’t like it when television coverage shows the top American runners, because they are waisting time that could be spent on the front runners.  I hate all of the human interest stories, even the ones on the elite runners.  I just want to watch the lead runner for 26.2 miles.     Troy

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Every year sports are covered. including Marathons.  haven’t  2 hours. I have trouble sometimes ridding a bike 26.2 miles in 2 hours. "unless lots of mosquitoes"

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I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant  of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most*

It seemed to me that a majority of the Ironman coverage was on the elites and that was all I wanted to see.  I get sick of the human interest stories in the Olympics and at major competitions.  I love to see marathon finishes like the 1996 men’s Olympic finals where the top 3 men finished on the track at the same time.  The winner was in doubt for a long time and to me, that is a thrill. David Olsen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course you could *never* be wrong. My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition. Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

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The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

This statement makes no logical sense.  Advertisers buy ads based on what people watch.  if no one watches the show, it will not sell ads.  therfore, if they are selling ads, its because the ad people believe its what the viewers want to see. Bruce

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As I look up at some of the Ocean State back in the 1980’s and the Long Island Marathon run within a week of the Boston,the dedication to Marathoning has dropped just like the stock Markey. I could set a pace and if neccessary increase or decrease over the 26.2 miles. It’s not like the 5K or 10K where you HAVE to go out as fast as you can, sometimes to find yourself watching everyone from aside. Besides that there over in such a short time, and you really don’t have all the chances you might have in the Marathon to test and wear out your fellow runner. You trained hard but you got the thrill and the chance to test yourself, your training and your desire. Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. That tell’s you right there on the stage of USA running.

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable.

NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

Yep.  The whole thing was live in England. — Brian Wakem

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NBC showed 5 hours of coverage for the past two NYC Marathons.   It was just on the NBC New York Channel.   Troy

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I watched the 2001 NYC marathon on TV (here in Washington) and it was an hour which is not enough time to show both the leaders and the rest of the runners celebrating not only life but probably a highlight in their own lives.  Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. I forgot which world class marathoner said it but he (she) said (and I paraphrase) "If it wasn’t for the six hour plodders no one would care about the elite. People are interested in a 20,000 runner event. If it where just 20 of us racing through NYC to see who would win the crowds would be home".  I think there is a lot of truth in that. The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I look up at some of the Ocean State back in the 1980’s and the Long Island Marathon run within a week of the Boston,the dedication to Marathoning has dropped just like the stock Markey. I could set a pace and if neccessary increase or decrease over the 26.2 miles. It’s not like the 5K or 10K where you HAVE to go out as fast as you can, sometimes to find yourself watching everyone from aside. Besides that there over in such a short time, and you really don’t have all the chances you might have in the Marathon to test and wear out your fellow runner. You trained hard but you got the thrill and the chance to test yourself, your training and your desire. Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. That tell’s you right there on the stage of USA running.

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. The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite.

ABC had zero minutes on the race.  It was NBC that had the minimal coverage.

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Sorry, but that really wasn’t my point. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite. ABC had zero minutes on the race.  It was NBC that had the minimal coverage.

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<< Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. Sad?  Similarly, tv covers NBA games, not pick-up games.  Major league not little league.  Concert pianists not school recitals.  They choose the people who excel not because of a moral judgement but rather a financial dicision: the viewing audience perfers it. << I forgot which world class marathoner said it but he (she) said (and I paraphrase) "If it wasn’t for the six hour plodders no one would care about the elite. I believe that whoever said it was clueless.  Crowds turn out for the Tour de France, for the Olympic qualifying races, for the Head of the Charles boating events, each of which feature only the top athletes of their event.  Why would a marathon featuring a national or world class field be different? Jennifer

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

The whole thing was live on New York TV – of course you had to be in NY or get NY tv on satellite. Bruce

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<< Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. Sad?  Similarly, tv covers NBA games, not pick-up games.  Major league not little league.  Concert pianists not school recitals.  They choose the people who excel not because of a moral judgement but rather a financial dicision: the viewing audience perfers it.

Probably true. But, the attraction of the public non-runners to an event like the NYC marathon is that it is a world class event in which the average guy or gal can be a part of. The man on the street wants to see the person who is just another average citizen running in the same event as the elites (even if they are 2 hours behind!). In other sports, like baseball, you are not going to see the Yankees invite people down from the stands to pinch-hit in the ninth inning against Nolan Ryan. The popularity of these events is linked to the human interest value they generate. After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time? Something else lures those thousands of people out onto the sidelines. The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

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[snip] After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time?

The Milrose Mile packs ‘em in at Madison Square Garden each year.   The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time? The Milrose Mile packs ‘em in at Madison Square Garden each year. The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see. I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer

Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites.  Of course you could *never* be wrong. Chris

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I am not stirring at all, I think its a big joke. Within a year there will be more coaches that Triathletes! Are people creating the demand by misinformation, like the aero frame bs of the past few years, or are they filling a void that really is there?? I believe it is the former. Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know you are stirring but Troy has done a lot for educating the general tri public… IMO, nobody works harder at their coaching business than Troy.  He’s meeting a demand that is there in the marketplace.  My hat’s off to him.  I have swapped e-mails with some of his Tri Academy coaches and they are good guys. As well, there’s lots of good info available on his site for free! As I have said before, Troy coached me through IMC99 and I was a very satisfied customer.  When you coach as many people as Troy, there are bound to be a wide range of opinions and experiences.  Hell, we all know how many rumours circulate the triathlon world! Keep smiling! gordo

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I know you are stirring but Troy has done a lot for educating the general tri public… IMO, nobody works harder at their coaching business than Troy.  He’s meeting a demand that is there in the marketplace.  My hat’s off to him.  I have swapped e-mails with some of his Tri Academy coaches and they are good guys. As well, there’s lots of good info available on his site for free! As I have said before, Troy coached me through IMC99 and I was a very satisfied customer.  When you coach as many people as Troy, there are bound to be a wide range of opinions and experiences.  Hell, we all know how many rumours circulate the triathlon world! Keep smiling! gordo

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a good thing gone mad with just about anyone able to sign up to be one of his coaches online

Shameless Self Promotion! One Athlete – One Coach www.Tri-eCoach.com I just couldn’t resist…

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New to sport and was looking at a race in April for my first.  They have weight divisions and was wondering what they were.  BTW I am 6′1" and 200 lbs. Where would I fit in these divisions. Thanks, Derek

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Pete – Isn’t Clydesdale division usually men over 185 and women over 150?  I keep hoping being a horse will help me place in the top ten one day (when there’s 10 Clydesdales in the race, including me…) Derek – welcome to tri-world, my fellow big man. johnwalt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – New to sport and was looking at a race in April for my first.  They have weight divisions and was wondering what they were.  BTW I am 6′1" and 200 lbs. Where would I fit in these divisions. It depends on the race whether or not they have weight classes, but there could be a Clydesdale Division for men and an Athena Division for women. Usually the men have to be 200 lbs. or over to qualify and the women have to be 140 lbs. or over to qualify, although it might differ from race to race. If you have a brochure of the race in question or the info seen online, they should have detailed instructions on how to qualify for these divisions.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMCAL, IMC Y2K IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Pete – Isn’t Clydesdale division usually men over 185 and women over 150?  I keep hoping being a horse will help me place in the top ten one day (when there’s 10 Clydesdales in the race, including me…) Derek – welcome to tri-world, my fellow big man.

The weight cut-offs totally depend on the race director. clm in sf, a Clyde-chick at either cut-off — Cathy Morgan, San Francisco, CA 1/00 SF 1/2 Marathon; 4/00 St. Anthony’s Tri; 5/00 IM California 7/00  Vineman 1/2 IM; 8/00 Mrs. T’s Triathlon; 10/00 Off to Kona

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New to sport and was looking at a race in April for my first.  They have weight divisions and was wondering what they were.  BTW I am 6′1" and 200 lbs. Where would I fit in these divisions.

It depends on the race whether or not they have weight classes, but there could be a Clydesdale Division for men and an Athena Division for women. Usually the men have to be 200 lbs. or over to qualify and the women have to be 140 lbs. or over to qualify, although it might differ from race to race. If you have a brochure of the race in question or the info seen online, they should have detailed instructions on how to qualify for these divisions.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMCAL, IMC Y2K IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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New to sport and was looking at a race in April for my first.  They have weight divisions and was wondering what they were.  BTW I am 6′1" and 200 lbs. Where would I fit in these divisions. Thanks, Derek

I was wondering about this too the other day. Last year I didn’t bother competing as a clydesdale because at 265lbs I was afraid I might exceed the upper limit However this year, being a much skinnier 230lbs, I thought that I might give it a go. Tom "too cute to be a clydesdale" Harrigan — Baker Atlas GEOScience      Tel: +44 (0)208 202 2433 154 Brent Street,           FAX: +44 (0)208 202 2287 London, NW4 2DR, ENGLAND.   WWW: http://www.zands.com

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New to sport and was looking at a race in April for my first.  They have weight divisions and was wondering what they were.  BTW I am 6′1" and 200 lbs. Where would I fit in these divisions. Thanks, Derek

I just did IMNZ 200 and the weight limit was 85kg for junior Clydesdale and 90kg for real clydesdale. Now I sure look like a clydesdale with blonde hair and big floppy feet. At the Pasta Party for IMNZ last week I felt like I’d eaten enough to get from my official race weight earlier in the day, of 80.5kg to the minimum mark. I kept my wallet in my pocket, shoes on, even a drink in my hand when I got on the scales but was summarily shoo’d away at 83.5kg. Now I really look the part, but being vertically challenged, miss the mark every time. I think Body Mass Index should be the test. I really am a big guy in a short body so just get laughed at by all those tall skinny 85kg speed demons. Oh well, guess I’ll just have to go for a regular age group win instead….he said with tongue (and cookie) planted firmly in cheek. TriDork — ALWAYS have a "Plan B" Before you buy.

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I just fiddled around with a friends copy on his machine a few days ago. Granted, I did not spend that much time on it, but I think I can do lots more in about half the time with Athletes Diary… IMO. Jeff. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any experience with the PC Coach programs, specifically the Triathlon bundle?  I just got it and wondered what other users think about the program.

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Does anyone have any experience with the PC Coach programs, specifically the Triathlon bundle?  I just got it and wondered what other users think about the program.

 We have use PC Coach for over a year.  I have found it very flexible in that you can add your own workouts.  I added a brick which allows me to down load all my times from my HRM.  My son added all his weight training and running and biking drills.  The graphs are good with a lot of flexibility as to data and over what time span you can use. I would highly recommend it. — Thanks Henry

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I’ve used PC Coach for quite some time now.  On the good side, the triathlon program really does a good job of planning your workouts.  I’ve used other programs that were supposed to do the same, but it was a joke.  PC Coach’s triathlon plan is very flexible.  It can be customized for your fitness level, number of hours to train per week, target race, etc..  And, it’s not a bad program for just logging your workouts either. On the down side, it’s not real easy to use at first.  Not intuitive at all. I hear they will be releasing a new version this month so I hope that clears that up.  Also, with the triathlon program, you need to be sold on the Mike Pigg/Maffetone way of training, with a lot of aerobic work and not nearly as much speed work as you may be used to. Overall though I think it’s great and I wish there were more tri-specific software out there. Just my opinion, Mike B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any experience with the PC Coach programs, specifically the Triathlon bundle?  I just got it and wondered what other users think about the program.

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Does anyone have any experience with the PC Coach programs, specifically the Triathlon bundle?  I just got it and wondered what other users think about the program.

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Hi, I’m keen to buy a copy of PC Coach for use as a training tool.  Can you please give some advice as to it’s suitability for a beginner triathlete with some fitness / training knowledge and also where I can purchase it. Thanks & kind regards, Terry

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Hi Terry, I see you are from Australia, I bought my copy from Blue Line Australia at 61-65-596838, they have a web site www.blueline.com.au This was my first season doing tri’s and I have been using the program since Nov98. I have found it to be very helpful, frustrating at first as I found it difficult to not exceed my max heart rate during my running. But as I kept using the program my aerobic system has become more efficient allowing me to go faster without exceeding my max heart rate. Every three weeks you do a test to check your progress, my first test which was over 5km I did in 28min, my last test a couple of weeks ago I did in 21min at the same heart rate. These times are still slower than the times I did before starting the program, but my heart rate is much lower. My race times have also improved dramatically over the time I have been doing the program, so for me it has been a worthwhile investment. One point to note, to use the program you need a hear rate monitor. Hope this helps, Etienne. — Etienne van Tonder Melbourne, Australia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m keen to buy a copy of PC Coach for use as a training tool.  Can you please give some advice as to it’s suitability for a beginner triathlete with some fitness / training knowledge and also where I can purchase it. Thanks & kind regards, Terry

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Does UltraCoach have a website?

Yes, it’s http://www.ultracch.com/ Take Care, Zack Jones .

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Anyone using the Pigg/Maffetone PC Coach add-on — does it account for

Yes, I’m using, but won’t really start training with it until after Feb 6th when I run a 1/2 marathon. 1) injuries & recoveries from same, and 2) absences from training?

Not that I’ve seen.  It does have a daily health log that you fill out.  It contains your weight, resting HR, hours of sleep, sleep quality and overall feeling.  I do not know if it takes these factors into account when it plans your workouts.  I suspect it doesn’t since it prepares  your workouts in three week segments. UltraCoach has a "coaching" feature which takes in account your past work outs when planning your next workout.  I use the standard version and have been happy with it. Take Care, Zack Jones

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UltraCoach has a "coaching" feature which takes in account your past work outs when planning your next workout.  I use the standard version and have been happy with it.

Does UltraCoach have a website?

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Anyone using the Pigg/Maffetone PC Coach add-on — does it account for 1) injuries & recoveries from same, and 2) absences from training? E.g., if you suffer shinsplints after a run, will it adjust to give you a non-injurious workout (reduced or no running) in the following days? Or, if I have to go on a sudden business trip and thus miss a bike or swim day, will it prescribe an alternative amount of running/swimming, or a modification of the plan to account for the missed day? TIA, John

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There was some controversy over the length of the run course.  It seemed to be about 0.5 miles too long.  There was a big "X" in the middle of the road labeled "3.1 miles" and we ran quite aways past that for the turn around.  But the race people said the "X" was wrong and the run was the correct distance.  If the distance was indeed correct, my "numb feet" slowed me down considerably.

Here’s the story I heard (from a coworker who was at the race) on the run distance controversy: apparently the X in the road WAS the turnaround for 5k. For some reason, though, the aid station was set up another quarter-mile down the road. Some people turned around at the X; some people went all the way to the aid station and back. This cost Vince Dietsch any chance at catching James Bonney (although apparently this was unlikely, despite Vince’s quick feet), and also cost my friend’s wife a shot at victory in her age group. As to who’s to blame, well, the rules say that it is the athlete’s responsibility to know the course. However, since I was once directed off course by a police officer/course marshall at a duathlon (and got DQ’ed for my "error"), my sympathies are with the affected athletes.

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I chickened out…….Donated my entry fee to the race charities. How did it go?  They were predicting 65 degree water, 40 degree air temp, 25 mph north winds. Any of you real triathletes that did this race give us a report.

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  I chickened out…….Donated my entry fee to the race charities.   How did   it go?  They were predicting 65 degree water, 40 degree air temp, 25   mph   north winds.   Any of you real triathletes that did this race give us a report.  You were smart.  The water temperature was actually 62 just before the start of the swim.  Amazingly, I saw people go in without a wetsuit!  I had a "shortie" and was frozen stiff! I don’t know what the winds actually were, but I guess about 10-15 from the north.  Needless to say, it was freezing on the bike – the combination of wind and wetness from the swim was especially hard on the extremities. I know there were a number of us whose feet were numb from the cold at the start of the run.  At least for me, they didn’t really get thawed out until about the first mile marker.  There was some controversy over the length of the run course.  It seemed to be about 0.5 miles too long.  There was a big "X" in the middle of the road labeled "3.1 miles" and we ran quite aways past that for the turn around.  But the race people said the "X" was wrong and the run was the correct distance.  If the distance was indeed correct, my "numb feet" slowed me down considerably. In any case, there was still a pretty good turn out, but I believe the attendance was down due to intelligent people opting for warmth. Cheers, Cary — Cary Purdy +1 713 267-5142 phone/vmail +1 713 784-9219 fax http://www.posc.org

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You were smart.

The Kona ‘N Texas Triathlon (1.5k Swim/40k Bike/10k Run) Clear Lake, TX, 13 Apr 1997. 38 degrees, 20 mile per hour winds, 62 degree water: that describes the tenor of this race. More of a battle against the elements than against each other. Clear Lake is a coastal town near Houston. The host hotel and swim is directly across Route 346 from the Johnson Space Center ("Houston, we have a problem.") The bike course is flat. The run is on NASA Road 1, the perimeter road around the space center. Old Mercury, Gemini, and Saturn V rockets are visible from the road. This was nearly the coldest triathlon I ever attempted. (I say nearly because the first tri that I did in May of 1984, the Jersey Shore Triathlon, had a water temperature of 55 degrees.) Luckily, the race director provided stationary bikes for warming up. I pedaled with about 10 other cyclists in the stiff wind until I was giving off heat. Then I plunged into the chilly waters of Clear Lake. Thankfully I had a wet suit; many wore long john suits and neoprene headgear. Others did not. Two swimmers were pulled from the water and treated for hypothermia. The bike course was no better with stiff 20 mph winds. I wore three cycle jerseys, one long sleeve, and still my fingernails were blue. There were some tremendous potholes and seams in the road. Mountain bikes skills came in handy. Many people lost bottles or tires at the more difficult sections. I could not feel my feet from the numbness, and I kept my pace up to try to warm up. Still, it was cold and my muscles were not very supple. At last came the run. For two miles, I did not feel my feet. When they did finally warm, I felt many rocks and twigs in my socks. I finished the event and felt good. This was an extremely tough race against the elements, but I held a moderate pace during the entire event, and had no problems with mechanical difficulty, fear, or doubt. Sorry I can’t provide much in the way of results. James Bonney of Austin won the event. Despite the tough conditions, the race was well organized with no problems in the sign up, race instructions, scoring, traffic control, water or post race party. I enjoyed the race and will do it again. Thanks, Dan IBM Corporation, Multimedia User Interface and Objects Phone:    (512) 838-9767

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I called NBC Sports in NYC: they do NOT have a E-mail address. I am, however, printing off hard copies of the thread & will fax to them in several days as well as to IMH. FYI…I was told that the camera reserved for the women’s portion of the marathon broke down during the event & thus the skimpy coverage. Also…the coverage of Bill Wildman had nothing to do with age groupers or rich guys. Plain & simple – the piece was an advertisement for Lifecycle. Same with the piece with Tinley – it was a Reebok ad. Last year there was a 5-minute segment on Patty O’Brien; practically every scene had some piece of Nordic Track equipment in it.  This is big business & the idea is to sell stuff. The triathlon is just a sideline. Ken

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I sent E-mail to NBC at the address below, and within hours got this reponse. Right on point. If we want to get the show on the air, we have to bug the local affiliates so they run it. Subj:  Ironman Thank you for your interest in NBC.  NBC Sports did air the GATORDAE IRONMAN on Sunday, December 11th.  If it was not carried in your area, that was a decsion made by your local affiliate station, which is independently owned and operated and does have jurisdiction on what programming they carry. You cna orde a copy of the IRONMAN by calling GATORDAE IRONMAN at 813/942-4767. Thank you for sharing your concenrs. —- Wed, wanted to write a note of protest for the failure to broadcast the Gatorade Ironman Triathlon on Dec. 11. You will no doubt hear from others, so I won’t kill you with details, but please be reminded that your prior ratings on this were very good, that the loyalist viewers are typically high-demographic folks who spend buckets of money on recreational items and probably cars. For non-athletes, the gee-whiz component of the Ironman is what pulls people in to ski-jumping at the olympics. Plus the wonderful scenery in Hawaii, plus all the hardbodies running around with nary a stich on, well, it seems like a reasonable person would assume this makes good, money-making television. If you are not going to use this asset, please don’t bid on it, and let ESPN or another cable company make better use of it. Thank you for your consideration. Brian P. Sullivan PS – I know you cannot respond to all the e-mail you are likely to get, but I recommend that someone from NBC post some comments on rec.sport.triathlon on the internet. You have a lot of unhappy people over there. Thanks Received: from ns.GE.com by mailgate.prod.aol.net with SMTP Received: from thomas.ge.com by ns.GE.com (5.65/GE Gateway 1.29) with SMTP Received: from es2.nbc.ge.com by thomas.ge.com (5.65/GE Internal Gateway 1.26) with SMTP Received: by nbc.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) Received: by es1.local (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) Received: by smtpgate1.er49hub with Microsoft Mail Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0

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I was at an department Christmas party last night and was asked if I had seen the Ironman coverage.  The person asking had enjoyed the coverage, including all of the little indepth profiles of the various competitors.  Just thought that I would share the view of a non triathlete (this guy goes to the gym regularly but is not a competitive athelete). Karen C.

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(Jason B. MacDonald) writes: NBC has a long way to go. Where was the race coverage? I like volcanos,

nice pictures from Germany, but please, not during Ironman coverage. It’s bad enough we have to wait so long to get the coverage in the first place. Didn’t the little story about the ‘wildman’ (something like that) drive you nuts. Here we are watching the World Ironman Chanpionships, and they’re giving us a story about some rich guy who owns 15 bikes, is swimming in his money and goes to the Ironman… please.<<< From my perspective as a triathlete and as a triathlon media type, I didn’t think too much of the NBC coverage either. The women’s pro coverage was weak, but I did think they focused a bit more on age-group racing with the two profiles and the final montage. However, I think we need to remember that the show is really not designed to please the 70,000 or so triathletes in the US, and the however many 1000s across the two ponds, like the tri mags are supposed to. It’s designed to entertain the masses — the non-triathlon general public. For example, the coverage the Ironman gets in Sports Illustrated or Outside magazine is usually minimal, too. We are just not that big of a spectator sport in the eyes of the network people or the general public. That doesn’t mean we aren’t an exciting sport, we are, but a smaller one nonetheless. It would be nice if a 2-hour video tape of Ironman that was designed for triathletes was available. I would think it could sell. JJ

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They spent way too much time on that Wildman guy. I would rather have

seen shorter segments on other age-groupers, people who have to work for a living and manage their life so that they can get enough time to workout<< Hey folks,  Wildman is a really cool guy, a dedicated triathlete and an IM age-divsion winner. I don’t think we should blow him off because he succeeded in his business ventures. More power to him. I thought he was inspiring. At least the Ironman telecast featured age-groupers, more than we can say about you know who… JJ

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They spent way too much time on that Wildman guy. I would rather have

seen shorter segments on other age-groupers, people who have to work for a living and manage their life so that they can get enough time to workout<< Hey folks,  Wildman is a really cool guy, a dedicated triathlete and an IM age-divsion winner. I don’t think we should blow him off because he succeeded in his business ventures. More power to him. I thought he was inspiring. At least the Ironman telecast featured age-groupers, more than we can say about you know who… JJ<<<< Amen to JJ’s comment above.  Keep class envy out of triathlon; God knows we have to listen to that kind of whining from politcians on a daily basis.  Just my .02 (and I’ll be proud to get flamed because of it!). Bill Hughlett

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: Hey folks,  Wildman is a really cool guy, a dedicated triathlete and an IM : age-divsion winner. I don’t think we should blow him off because he : succeeded in his business ventures. More power to him. I thought he was : inspiring. IMO, there was WAY to much time devoted to lightweight up-close-and-personal puff pieces which were only marginally related to the race.  Wildman’s wasn’t any worse than any of the others. For those of you who haven’t seen it yet, let me make a suggestion.   Record it.  Then use your fast forward to get past the fluff and the commercials.  You’ll get through the two hour program in about 30 minutes.  Then go for a 90 minute run. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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As far as the Toronto Triathlon went… one hour of up close racing. Much better than the Ironman coverage. The hour was packed with exciting coverage; a fast swim that was beautiful to watch, a battle to get away on the bike and a great win by Greg Welch on the run. The sprint format has a lot to offer to the crowd and tv. Keep up the good work TSN ( even the commentary was good! ).

IN defense of NBC (I can’t believe I said that) the Toronto race had only 15 participants ( only 5 really competitive ones), and no women’s division. As it was also an ITU drafting legal race most of the pros didn’t go. But I do agree, a lot could be learned by the coverage that TSN gives to races, in general. Now to Bash NBC… They spent way too much time on that Wildman guy. I would rather have seen shorter segments on other age-groupers, people who have to work for a living and manage their life so that they can get enough time to workout. While this isn’t the glamour of the sport, I think this is what most triathletes want to see more of. Cheers. Dave.

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Looks like I was a lucky one. The full Ironman coverage at 2pm and the Toronto Triathlon at 6pm. Funny that we’d get all the coverage up here. NBC has a long way to go. Where was the race coverage? I like volcanos, nice pictures from Germany, but please, not during Ironman coverage. It’s bad enough we have to wait so long to get the coverage in the first place. Didn’t the little story about the ‘wildman’ (something like that) drive you nuts. Here we are watching the World Ironman Chanpionships, and they’re giving us a story about some rich guy who owns 15 bikes, is swimming in his money and goes to the Ironman… please. Was there really a womens race? Oh yeah, some Paula Newby-Fraser won for the 7th time… did they mention that. I think I saw more of Chucky V. Mark Allen… (MHO) I think NBC had too much say in what Allen was saying. Looked like he was reading off a prompter. Good thing Phil Ligget (sp) was there to keep the show from digging a bigger hole. I really hope Mark comes back to race next year. Let the retired airforce captain from Alaska do the commentary. NBC deserves a spanking for this one though we did get two hours. ABC gave the Tour de France an hour and a half. the good news- As far as the Toronto Triathlon went… one hour of up close racing. Much better than the Ironman coverage. The hour was packed with exciting coverage; a fast swim that was beautiful to watch, a battle to get away on the bike and a great win by Greg Welch on the run. The sprint format has a lot to offer to the crowd and tv. Keep up the good work TSN ( even the commentary was good! ). jason  Metro Cycle Club  Halifax, NS                        ACADIA UNIVERSITY                   __o       o    Physics/Math/Comp.     __/o_      ’ ,-     <|  Wolfville, NS                    (*)/( )     –    CANADA                  ’TRI’n does a body good’                        

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I too would like to commend the Outside/Triathlete coverage of the 1995 Hawaii Ironman.  I really felt like I was there and updated quickly.  It absolutely satisfied my demand for current reporting.  Combined with RST posting I felt completly sated.  I just now wait for the telecast.  The quick posting of results and the stories by Tim Carlson brought me to the scene when I wanted to be there.  I’m not sure where all the complaining came from, but I for one am grateful. I write this after having sent in a letter panning Martin Dugard’s precoverage in Outside. I’m a little taken aback by  Jeff’s tone, he sounds a little hurt by the comments of a few demanding and ungrateful readers.  But I must admit that his attitude will not win any additional fans.  And yes, Gee, I do rely on many sources of information.  I continue to subscribe to Outside and Triathlete (both in print) and frequently visit their online magazines and cherish the time we get to view them free of charge. Tucker Newberry

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I thought that the Ironman coverage was wonderful.  What was even more amazing was that it was FREE.

I was over in Hawaii, and so did not realize that this service was being provided.  From all accounts (people I spoke to), the service was really great. Kudos.   I was, however, taken aback by the tone of this thread title.  A pretty thin skinned journalist, if you ask me.  My advice is to keep providing the excellent service (the great majority of readers will appreciate your efforts) and lose the attitude. If Outside concentrates on providing this excellent service, and if you keep Marty Dugard out of your magazine, you’ll make fans.   QRman

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I thought that the Ironman coverage was wonderful.  What was even more amazing was that it was FREE. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn. PS. IMO, some of us are getting a little spoiled by all the great stuff that     we can find on the net.  Complaining about free stuff just because it     isn’t perfect is a good way to sour the providers and convince them not     to bother.

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Well, folks, sorry we didn’t have every name, time and detail from this year’s Ironman. The feedback from our readers has been interesting, and it will help me to focus our coverage–albeit experimental this year–into something that will satisfy every demand (including those from ingrates and mean-spirited types…you know, the ones that tarnish the image of your sport with their cry-baby attitudes) [...] Jeff Herr Outside Online News editor

Calling people ingrates and cry-babies will not win many supporters. Outside magazine made the right choice in making you an editor rather than a customer-service representative.  If you ever lose your job, I suggest you take your attitude and go to work for the DMV. Dave Wiesenhahn     |               Feel it all with a willing heart IDA                 |                 Every stop is a place to start Alexandria, VA      |  If you know how to play the part with feeling                     |                                           J.B.

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I’d give Triathlete Magazine/Outside Online’s Ironman coverage a C- at best.  While I greatly appreciate having the results ASAP, everything stopped after the top women finished!  What happened to Jim Ward, Charles Haley, Sister Madonna???  

I thought the coverage was awesome for first time coverage, and of course, I would have liked more results too. But, for first time, I thought it was excellent. If we give them good feedback, maybe next year we’ll get more info online. If you want to see all age group results, check out the home page of the people who did the timing. All the results were out there this morning. html://www.ilhawaii.net/~m_gleaf/jtl.html Cathy Corning

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I for one am thrilled with the amount and quality of information available at such an early date!!!.  This age of technology and "I want it yesterday" attitude has us demanding information faster and faster..I think one tends to forget that we usually had to wait a few weeks before we read about the results in a publication somewhere. I am still awed at the technological advances in the last few years…but then maybe I am giving my age away.  I didn’t "grow up" with the computer like some of you youngsters….patience, patience!   cheryl palen

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Well, folks, sorry we didn’t have every name, time and detail from this year’s Ironman. The feedback from our readers has been interesting, and it will help me to focus our coverage–albeit experimental this year–into something that will satisfy every demand (including those from ingrates and mean-spirited types…you know, the ones that tarnish the image of your sport with their cry-baby attitudes) We’re generally very pleased with the service. It’s a major improvement over what was available before, and we’ll take it up another level every year. And we’re continuing to update. Since Saturday night, we have updated the results. But only the top 500 splits, which I’m sure will spark a whole new round of complaints. To those of you who appreciated the improvement over traditional Ironman coverage, thanks for the kind words. They made this huge effort worthwhile. Please share your thoughts about this coverage. After all, we share a common interest in seeing this grow each year. Thanks, Jeff Herr Outside Online News editor

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While I, too, was disappointed that the "live" Internet coverage ended right after the top three ladies finished, I have to give the sponsers a tremendous amount of credit.  I checked in every 45 minutes or so starting at about 10:40 PST and loved the feeling of "being there" that the reports gave me. Finally, during the last two hours, I was completely engrossed in the tight finishes of both races to the point that I just stayed signed on and kept hitting that "reload" button over and over.  "Watching" Mark Allen run down the Hellreigel (sp?) and Karen Smyers chase down Paula Newby-Fraizer was probably the most exciting thing I have ever done on the World Wide Web.  Great stuff!  Can’t wait to see the TV production . .  .

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Short and sweet b/c this threads getting long.  I would have like age-groupers and post finish stuff, but it was a 1st time effort.  I was glued to my computer for 9 hours, and I have NEVER  been able to get anywhere close to that kind of info on Kona.  Grade A for effort, B+ for execution, and a big THANK YOU. AC

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I’d give Triathlete Magazine/Outside Online’s Ironman coverage a C- at best.  While I greatly appreciate having the results ASAP, everything stopped after the top women finished!  What happened to Jim Ward, Charles Haley, Sister Madonna???  No final times are up yet and it’s Sunday morning.  Also, there are a total of three pictures from the race as of now (and the page there all on takes eons to load).  I think the coverage kind of let me down a bit after the pre-race hype.  Sunday morning and no picture of Mark Allen or Karen Smyers crossing the finish line???  Hats off to the guys at planet-hawaii, however, as the camera was a neat little twist that made me feel like I was sitting on Alii drive anxiously awaiting the latest race reports. On a side note, have the Ironman people commented yet on the worthless article that appeared in Outside Magazine (both the hard copy and the Online version)???  I can’t believe that they were very happy with it, particularly when they allow Outside Online to use their logo on the pages.  I also have yet to hear anything from Outside Online on this.  Perhaps a little egg on their faces??? — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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:I have to disagree with Marty. For a first time attempt, I thought the :coverage went very well (for the event itself). I would agree, though, :that there is a need for followup after the lead pros come in. There is :a lot of interest in the "regular" triathletes who are participating. : :I think those of you who were able to follow the updates will agree :that it was VERY exciting to get that "up to the minute" feeling while :following the event. I, myself, screamed several times "NO WAY!!" when NF went down and when Mark Allen got the lead runner in his gun-sights :and fired away. I couldn’t wait for the next update and kept punching :the "reload" button. : :I give an "A" for effort, with a "B" overall because of lack of :followup. : :Mark Miller : I was definitely exciting.  Unfortunately I had to attend a wedding during the entire run.  When I got home I ran to the computer and logged in, with the first thing I see being something about PNF laying on the ground with her shoes off!  I can only imagine how many people were hitting "reload" at that time.  I just thought that overall the coverage fell a little flat based on all of the pre-race hype.  So I guess I’ll be nice and uprgrade them to a B-. Marty — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

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I’d give Triathlete Magazine/Outside Online’s Ironman coverage a C- at best.   — Marty Miller Proprietor of The Triathlete’s Web http://w3.one.net/~triweb

I have to disagree with Marty. For a first time attempt, I thought the coverage went very well (for the event itself). I would agree, though, that there is a need for followup after the lead pros come in. There is a lot of interest in the "regular" triathletes who are participating. I think those of you who were able to follow the updates will agree that it was VERY exciting to get that "up to the minute" feeling while following the event. I, myself, screamed several times "NO WAY!!" when PNF went down and when Mark Allen got the lead runner in his gun-sights and fired away. I couldn’t wait for the next update and kept punching the "reload" button. I give an "A" for effort, with a "B" overall because of lack of followup. Mark Miller

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I definitely agree with Marty. While it was great while it lasted, what about age group finishers? Not even the top 10 are listed even though they may have been in before the women. And WHAT ABOUT PNF? They have left us hanging since last night. Her condition sounds like it could be serious yet there hasn’t been an update in over 12 hours.

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I’d give Triathlete Magazine/Outside Online’s Ironman coverage a C- at best.   On a side note, have the Ironman people commented yet on the worthless

article that appeared in Outside Magazine (both the hard copy and the Online version)???  I

can’t believe that they were very happy with it, particularly when they allow Outside Online to use

their logo on the pages.  I also have yet to hear anything from Outside Online on this.  Perhaps

a little egg on their faces???

I’d have to say that –for a first attempt, and for Free– the online coverage was outstanding. I’m sure it will set the standard for future live online broadcasts. It wasn’t even riddled with long-time-to- download commercial,s which surprised me. I did open up and read (very little) of Gatorade’s chat with Chuckie V. that I thought was insipid. It seemed geared to the star- struck pre-teen set, whom I doubt would be party to this particular online event. But that’s Gatorade’s call, it was the sponsor. (On a similar note, what was all the rst pre-race chat about Ken Souza and  the IM about? Did he even start?) The coverage showed the great potential for online magazines. I agree that many current commercial websites are boring–more geared to scoring "hits" for its advertisers– and really not worth the time spent to open them up. Missing the age group race/results is par for the course for the new generation of  tri media.   Look at the coverage difference between this year’s Olympic distance/Team USA age group nationals at Mrs. T’s and the championships the previous years? It used to get feature coverage and 1/2 hour ESPN TV. This year, i bet few readers even know who the age group national champ is, who the top masters are and how the race really transpired. The promised age-group segment of TV coverage will be measured in milliseconds (if we’re lucky). That’s too bad because the age group nationals had been growing in prestige and quality since the late 80s. I’m sure Outside will respond in some way to its latest series of poorly-written articles on triathlon. It will be interesting to see if they dance around it or come clean. We should not expect them to be triathlon’s cheerleaders, but we can demand accuracy from the country’s leading outdoor and adventure magazine. I was amazed that Outside left the pathetic "cottage cheese" article on the online version. — JJ

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Also, it seems that a lot of posts don’t make it to everyone’s servers, as evidenced by the multiple replies giving identical information I frequently see on a single topic.

And boy does that seem to be true. I posted the note below early yesterday morning; subsequent to that post I think there have been four or five more posts on this topic, all of which gave no evidence of having read this information. Let’s face it, Usenet has lots of flaws, but it serves us pretty well so I guess we can put up with the flaws for now anyway. In the meantime I’ll "re-post" this information just in case for some reason it never made it out of our ISP, which is always possible. Hawaii Ironman will be broadcast on NBC on December 14 at 1:30 Eastern time (I don’t know about the implications for other parts of the country, including my own). I have this direct from NBC via email. Of course all times subject to change, YMMV, LSMFT, etc.

Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software   The Athlete’s Diary/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

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Boy isn’t this the truth.  I start seeing responses to posts that I never see, then have to go to Deja News to ferret the posts out. Funny how discovering that others are having the same problem diminishes mine. Jeff. Also, it seems that a lot of posts don’t make it to everyone’s servers, as evidenced by the multiple replies giving identical information I frequently see on a single topic.

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Unless you’re in Kona you will have to wait until NBC does their 2 hour show in November/December.   Last year, they ran the helicopter feed through a local TV station and it was live for 10 hours.   There were inturruptions when the helicopter had to refuel, but it was nice to see unedited footage with Dave Scott and Paul Huddle doing the commentary.  If I only had a VCR with me !!!

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Stuff deleted It’s easy to get some feedback in RST, just put the word DRAFTING in the subject. It works everytime… Paulo

DRAFTING SUCKS (Pun intended) So Paulo, How’s things? — Marcus Perry "TriDork" ** Give whenever you CAN…..Take only when you HAVE to. ** ** M. Perry     circa 1980 **

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In the Diaries from Kona, the author said the Ironman would be boadcast dec 14th on NBC.

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If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I’ve noticed this too, to some extent (the latter part of your statement). It does seem that questions/comments about the sport itself (ie, the stars and events etc) generally go unheard, or receive possibly 1-2 replies. Personally, I found that aspect of sport far more interesting than technicalities. But that’s just me, I guess. A bit odd though; the tri-folks all seem to be a friendly bunch, but if you bring up items about the pro scene in other sports newsgroups you can expect between 10-100 replies. Weird.

Shea and Peter, I don’t think our lack of fervor for the kind of posts you are describing is weird at all.  Most of us r.s.t.ers are pretty hard core amateur athletes (even if many of us are M.O.P.ers or B.O.P.ers, not age group winners).  In any case, we are not spectators or wannabes.  Sure, I find it interesting to learn about and watch the stars and events on TV. (And, yes, I’m happy to learn when IMH is to be broadcast.)  But I find it more interesting to be out running, riding or swimming, or, better yet, in a race.  I’ve been known to forget to watch Ironman Hawaii because I’ve been out running.  Technical advice; injury, training and recovery hints; insider info on races; detailed race reports; and topics close to the health and future of the sport interest me lots more than whether Thomas Hellreigel will beat Mark Allen.  (But I’m not dumb enough to vote against "The Grip" without getting a lot of points!) –Lee ("I don’t burn much fat watching TV") Crumbaugh

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: DRAFTING SUCKS (Pun intended) So Paulo, How’s things? You know, I wonder if Sian Welch, Rainer Muller, Ute Muekel, and ESPECIALLY Danalo Palmucci agree with you yet? Hats off to Charlie Crawford! Drafting:  Just say NO! — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Kona is not my mission, it is my DESTINY! 302 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘97

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We are covering it live on Outside Online. Check http://outside.starwave.com/events/ironman96/index.html. Have fun! Jennifer DuBois Outside Online

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If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares.

I’ve noticed this too, to some extent (the latter part of your statement). It does seem that questions/comments about the sport itself (ie, the stars and events etc) generally go unheard, or receive possibly 1-2 replies. Personally, I found that aspect of sport far more interesting than technicalities. But that’s just me, I guess. A bit odd though; the tri-folks all seem to be a friendly bunch, but if you bring up items about the pro scene in other sports newsgroups you can expect between 10-100 replies. Weird. ER, AMTV, Triathlon! http://www.cisfi28.demon.co.uk/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I’ve noticed this too, to some extent (the latter part of your statement). It does seem that questions/comments about the sport itself (ie, the stars and events etc) generally go unheard, or receive possibly 1-2 replies. Personally, I found that aspect of sport far more interesting than technicalities. But that’s just me, I guess. A bit odd though; the tri-folks all seem to be a friendly bunch, but if you bring up items about the pro scene in other sports newsgroups you can expect between 10-100 replies. Weird.

That’s because triathlon is more of a DOER sport and much less of a WATCHER sport.  That’s my speculation, anyway. Also, it seems that a lot of posts don’t make it to everyone’s servers, as evidenced by the multiple replies giving identical information I frequently see on a single topic.  Or the fact that the same question might be posted several times by different people, despite the fact that the original post WAS indeed answered.  Then, there’s the example of people who continue to bet money on Mark Allen for IMH this weekend, despite the fact that QRman did indeed post that he had been "misinformed" about Mark’s participation. So if you think you’re being ignored, it may just be due to the vagaries of the internet.  Keep trying!  I was indeed puzzled by the complaint about posts going unanswered, because it’s true, RST is generally a VERY friendly and helpful bunch. Don’t feel left out, just keep posting! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. Hugh Williams

If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I tried to find something on WWW.TVGUIDE.COM but could not find anything usefull. Thank you Peter

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Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. Hugh Williams

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Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I tried to find something on WWW.TVGUIDE.COM but could not find anything usefull.

The Hawaii Ironman has never been covered live as far as I know.  It is usually taped and shown later. I checked my favorite Tri bookmark         The Triathletes’ Web  http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html but no dates/time for TV coverage were found. I also checked the Velonews TV listing at         http://www.velonews.com/tri/itcal/tv.html but no luck. I also checked some Ironman sites         http://www.ilhawaii.net/~m_gleaf/results/ironman/ironman.html         http://web4.sportsline.com/u/ironman/ but neither mentioned the TV coverage. I did find that NBC has the rights through 1997 in the USA.  Hopefully someone else will have the TV information soon!  I also found that Triathlete Magazine, among other sites, will have live coverage on their web site. David

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Hawaii Ironman will be broadcast on NBC on December 14 at 1:30 Eastern time (I don’t know about the implications for other parts of the country, including my own). I have this direct from NBC via email. Of course all times subject to change, YMMV, LSMFT, etc. Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software   The Athlete’s Diary/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. Hugh Williams If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I tried to find something on WWW.TVGUIDE.COM but could not find anything usefull. Thank you Peter

It’s easy to get some feedback in RST, just put the word DRAFTING in the subject. It works everytime… Paulo

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In the event that no one answers your post and you conclude wrongly that this group is dominated by the technical minutiae of spoke cross section profiles and such, IMH has traditionally been taped and then subject to editing and shown later, usually early February if I recall correctly.  It may however be as early as November.  RST will no doubt abound with posts on when that date will be and will then follow with a bandwidthsucking littany of critiques on the coverage. Bruce Ackman Puritanism: The haunting fear that somewhere, someone may be happy Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I tried to find something on WWW.TVGUIDE.COM but could not find anything usefull.

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Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast.

NBC will be covering the Ironman and its broadcast will be aired sometime in December. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft!" http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Hi All, Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast.

The date I keep hearing mentioned by friends isDec.14th on NBC. I have no direct confirmation of this. Cheers, Al — Al Brown             |               __o      o   |If the Professor can       Dept. of Chemistry   |  ___^o_     _ <_     <|  |make a radio out of a UWO                  |   SWIM     (_)/(_)    /  |coconut, why can’t he

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when and on what network Ironman (Kona) will be televised? ESPN? SPSO? I understand the event will be held on the 26st of October, but I don’t when it is to be broadcast. If actually someone responds to your post, please let me know. I posted the same question a couple of days  ago too. But as it seems as long as you don’t ask about a detailed problem with a 750 wheel nobody cares. I tried to find something on WWW.TVGUIDE.COM but could not find anything usefull. The Hawaii Ironman has never been covered live as far as I know.  It is usually taped and shown later. I checked my favorite Tri bookmark         The Triathletes’ Web  http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html but no dates/time for TV coverage were found. I also checked the Velonews TV listing at         http://www.velonews.com/tri/itcal/tv.html but no luck. I also checked some Ironman sites         http://www.ilhawaii.net/~m_gleaf/results/ironman/ironman.html         http://web4.sportsline.com/u/ironman/ but neither mentioned the TV coverage. I did find that NBC has the rights through 1997 in the USA.  Hopefully someone else will have the TV information soon!  I also found that Triathlete Magazine, among other sites, will have live coverage on their web site. David

My records indicate that this year’s Ironman will be shown on NBC on 14 December. Time is unknown. Please correct me if I am wrong. …and about that 750 wheel… -Mark Johnson http://www.math.princeton.edu/~maejohns

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Anyone have a good recommendation for a podiatrist in the san francisco bay area that really knows about running in particular, orthodics, etc.? Thanks! Wes Stander

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Wes, A good customer of Craig’s at the Saratoga bike shop is one, and I remember he said if I ever needed a good podiatrist, to go to him. I met him, he is very athletic. I think his name was Tom. (?) Craig’s number is 408-867-8617, I’m sure he knows how to contact him. If not, Frank Kenny would know, 408-998-0971. Regards, Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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A couple of years ago I tried PR bars and they were excellent.  I use Power Bars and I recommend them – but I would love to know where I can buy PR bars.  FYI,  they tasted great!

I see ads for PR bars all the time in runner’s world and triathlete magazine. I think you can only order them by mail. I phoned the toll-free number asking for information and they are EXPENSIVE. Too rich for my pocketbook, but the number is 1-800-397-5556.

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Yes, PR bars are still available and they still taste great. You have to mail order them, they advertise in Runner’s World so you can get the phone number there.

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Dear Sheen, Yep,PR bars are still out there, but you have to order them.  Try checking out a Runner’s World magazine.  There it should tell you where you should call to order some. Meredith Ramella

My magazine has an ad in it and it says to call 1-800-397-5556 the address is: PR Nutrition, Inc. 5825 Oberline Dr, San Diego, Ca 92121                 Fax number: 619-658-0577 ph: 619-658-9200 Erika

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A couple of years ago I tried PR bars and they were excellent.  I use Power Bars and I recommend them – but I would love to know where I can buy PR bars.  FYI,  they tasted great!

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I’m planning on doing my first triathlon in 6 weeks and was hoping to get some advice on training.  Currently I swim with masters twice a week, bike to and from work daily (6 hilly miles each way) and run 4-5 miles 3 times a week.  Not a rigorous or regimented training schedule but enough to keep me in relatively good shape.  Any advice or training tips for a first time triathlete?   I’m going to start with short distances .5m/20m/3-4m if I can find one like this in the mid-Atlantic region. Thanks, Katie

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Need Training Advice I’m a crafty veteran of 1 full season and half a second season in this sport so my first tri is still fresh in my mind.  I think some of these real vets might have forgotten what it was like the first time or have a hard time relating to us. For some frame of reference I was swimming 3 times a week, ~80 miles biking ~15-20 miles running and did just fine. Some simple things I did to get ready.   1) Read or hear whatever you can, keep whatever you want. 2) Make sure you ride your bike fairly hard (those hilly miles) and immediatley get off and run.  This can be very uncomfortable the first few times and you really don’t wan’t find that out in your first race. 3) If you get a chance try all 3 events back-to-back 4) Plenty of rest and sleep the few days before the race. 5) Know where your bike is coming out of the water. (Walk the trans area beforehand) 6) Try to swim and breath at your pace, the urge will be to swim faster. 7) Drink your bike fluids to get yourself ready for the run Talk to the other athletes around you before and after the race, they are usually helpful 9) Have fun My .02 Good Luck S. Brown

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