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thanks, Mike. that book you mentioned has come up a few times now, so i think it must be a good one to start with. i figure between a couple of good books, the web, and good folks like yourself, i’ll get a feel for things. and the rest is all trial and error, right?  perhaps i can find some tri people in my area whose brains i can pick. take care, Cam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Cam–as with Mike Tennent, it has been so long since I was a "beginner" triathlete that recommendations from us might not be too good in the book department.  One that I remember was by a "normal" guy, Steven Jonas IIRC, called "Triathloning for Ordinary Mortals". You might go into a good specialty sports store and see what they might have in the way of books, and the website Mike T recommended would be a good resource as well.  And of course you can always ask questions in here or email some of us, me included, privately.  Be glad to help if I can. Train safe and good luck! Mike C

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Again, a few words of (hopefully) wisdom about the bike.  First, make sure the bike fits you.  Fit on a bike can be a complex issue and can change over time, but make sure your saddle is just below the point at which you’d have to rock your hips to reach your pedals – too low is inefficient and harder on the knees and back than it needs to be, too high will get you very sore in the lower back very quickly.  The position of the saddle in relation to the pedals is important, too – lots of people complain, e.g., they need to sit further back on their bicycles than the range of adjustment allows when all they need is to sit further away from the pedals and raising their saddle can accomplish the same thing. Ditto for handlebar position.  Where the bars are has a lot to do with your comfort and efficiency on the bike.  A good guideline for a road bike is to have your handlebars level with your saddle or an inch or two lower, maybe more if you’re tall.  But if that feels wrong, experiment with both the height and the reach.  Again, it’s easy to raise the bars when what you want is them closer, not higher, and vice versa.  I’d forget about being tri-specific on the bike at first. Buona Fortuna, and do yell this way if there’s anything I can do. Steve ‘now a swimming instructor at my local YMCA’ Freides

thanks for the wealth of information, Steve. i am now building a file of all of this stuff. i’m sure i’ll be overwhelmed before i know it.

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 -snip- not sure how deep into the cycling thing i *need* to get. i have a bike, but am not fanatic about riding it. like you, my first love is running.

Again, a few words of (hopefully) wisdom about the bike.  First, make sure the bike fits you.  Fit on a bike can be a complex issue and can change over time, but make sure your saddle is just below the point at which you’d have to rock your hips to reach your pedals – too low is inefficient and harder on the knees and back than it needs to be, too high will get you very sore in the lower back very quickly.  The position of the saddle in relation to the pedals is important, too – lots of people complain, e.g., they need to sit further back on their bicycles than the range of adjustment allows when all they need is to sit further away from the pedals and raising their saddle can accomplish the same thing. Ditto for handlebar position.  Where the bars are has a lot to do with your comfort and efficiency on the bike.  A good guideline for a road bike is to have your handlebars level with your saddle or an inch or two lower, maybe more if you’re tall.  But if that feels wrong, experiment with both the height and the reach.  Again, it’s easy to raise the bars when what you want is them closer, not higher, and vice versa.  I’d forget about being tri-specific on the bike at first. Buona Fortuna, and do yell this way if there’s anything I can do. Steve ‘now a swimming instructor at my local YMCA’ Freides

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and the rest is all trial and error, right? Or in some cases, tri and error….

Mike, i let you have that one. after i wrote my line, i thought of the joke. glad you caught the setup. Good luck Cam, you’re on the right track. Also be prepared to answer questions from the unknowing when, upon your telling them you are training for a triathlon, they will automatically assume you are training for an Ironman.   In fact, I think it’s already happened in this thread, correct?

yes, it came up, but i do look forward to telling people i’m doing this. it looks extremely do-able. the best news is that the race is a 5 minute drive from home, and that they encourage the use of mountain bikes (which is all i have right now). oh, and the swim is only 100m. i’m nearly doing that NOW. Anyway, have fun.  Steve did give some good advice re: biking and swimming, and to that I will add one piece of advice:  don’t fret if you are not a strong swimmer.  In most tris, the swim leg is proportionately the shortest one, so don’t spend an inordinate amount of time on it.  The bike is the key, and more to the point, how well you run off the bike.  This doesn’t mean you should not place some emphasis on the swim—just don’t get carried away with it.  Go for efficiency over distance in the water, form over yardage, particularly at the start.

my front crawl skills are pretty much nil, so i’m currently relying on side stroke and breast stroke, and back stroke to "rest" now and then. i’m thinking of taking either a private or group swim class to get the basics of front crawl, and will throw that into my repertoire. thanks for the tidbits of info. i’m really lucking out in terms of convenience for doing my first tri. every little bit will help. Cam

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and the rest is all trial and error, right?

Or in some cases, tri and error…. Good luck Cam, you’re on the right track. Also be prepared to answer questions from the unknowing when, upon your telling them you are training for a triathlon, they will automatically assume you are training for an Ironman.  In fact, I think it’s already happened in this thread, correct? Anyway, have fun.  Steve did give some good advice re: biking and swimming, and to that I will add one piece of advice:  don’t fret if you are not a strong swimmer.  In most tris, the swim leg is proportionately the shortest one, so don’t spend an inordinate amount of time on it.  The bike is the key, and more to the point, how well you run off the bike.  This doesn’t mean you should not place some emphasis on the swim—just don’t get carried away with it.  Go for efficiency over distance in the water, form over yardage, particularly at the start. Mike C

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i know, i know…. this isn’t exactly a triathlon ng, and i know that there IS one i can check out (and i will), BUT…. i know that there are at least a few folks here who do tri’s, and you *might* be more likely to give me some good tips, seeing as you may know me well enough now to consider me not too unlikable (at least my ng personality

 Cam–as with Mike Tennent, it has been so long since I was a "beginner" triathlete that recommendations from us might not be too good in the book department.  One that I remember was by a "normal" guy, Steven Jonas IIRC, called "Triathloning for Ordinary Mortals". You might go into a good specialty sports store and see what they might have in the way of books, and the website Mike T recommended would be a good resource as well.  And of course you can always ask questions in here or email some of us, me included, privately.  Be glad to help if I can. Train safe and good luck! Mike C

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Steve’s advice on swimming is excellent, take it to heart because you can get into more trouble during the swimming leg than any other portion of a tri. The only thing I would add is that if your race will include open water swimming, practice in open water a lot. There are psychological and physiological differences between the pool and a lake or bay.  Not to mention the chaos of tens to hundreds of other athletes all trying for the same finish line.  As a former competitive swimmer I have helped several tri-athletes with their strokes (you really only need two, the crawl and dog paddle) and I still remember the very first one who balked when confronted with that cold, dirty lakewater. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —good info, but snipped— If I could offer but one piece of advice, it would be to take swimming lessons (assuming you aren’t already a good swimmer).  Swimming is the most skill dependent of the three sports and by a *lot*.  I swam on my own for a while, then signed up for things at my local YMCA – first an ‘advanced’ swimming class, where they worked on all the different strokes and taught us some basic practice ideas, then private lessons for a year with a former competitive swimmer.  Between the two I made quite a transformation, from someone who could kinda sorta swim a mile without stopping to someone who everyone now comes up to and asks me if _I_ used to be a member of the swim team!  (I used to just laugh when they said that but now I accept the compliment graciously as a reflection of all the hard work I put in.) i just inquired at a nearby pool about lessons. i’m doing some shopping around right now…. hopefully i can decide before the winter session gets underway, so i don’t miss anything. private lessons might be an option. i’m a pretty weak swimmer, and have of late been simply teaching myself a few new strokes and am just working on endurance, and a bit on technique (based on stuff i read from a swimming book). While there is also a swimming newsgroup, I’ve found it to be one of the least helpful, but I think that’s because swimming really requires in-person instruction and discussing the finer points is really best left to really advanced swimmers.  The bicycling newsgroups (I think there are at least seven now) are high-volume places where you can get some good help if you don’t mind putting up with a bit of noise along the way. not sure how deep into the cycling thing i *need* to get. i have a bike, but am not fanatic about riding it. like you, my first love is running. Hope this is of some help, and I’m glad to continue off-list if it would be helpful to you. sure, i’ll direct further questions to you that way. thanks very much, Steve. Cam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have to agree with Steve, although I am a triathlete, The triathlon ng is not very friendly. The first book I bough was Endurance training for the serious athlete. Great book, but not too "fun" The other I would recommend is the triathletes training bible. You can get the triathletes training bible and total immersion for $26.00 at Amazon right now. They have a special running if you buy them both at once. Amazon also has the option to buy it used if they have it. (No, no Amazon stock) I also am a real beginner and only do sprints so far. Running is my first love. It was the discovery of running that lead me to believe I could do a tri. Good Luck!!! jojo

thanks, jojo. man, i had an Amazon gift certificate, but used it to buy music…. i should have waited and gone for this deal! ah well, still do-able. Cam

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—good info, but snipped— If I could offer but one piece of advice, it would be to take swimming lessons (assuming you aren’t already a good swimmer).  Swimming is the most skill dependent of the three sports and by a *lot*.  I swam on my own for a while, then signed up for things at my local YMCA – first an ‘advanced’ swimming class, where they worked on all the different strokes and taught us some basic practice ideas, then private lessons for a year with a former competitive swimmer.  Between the two I made quite a transformation, from someone who could kinda sorta swim a mile without stopping to someone who everyone now comes up to and asks me if _I_ used to be a member of the swim team!  (I used to just laugh when they said that but now I accept the compliment graciously as a reflection of all the hard work I put in.)

i just inquired at a nearby pool about lessons. i’m doing some shopping around right now…. hopefully i can decide before the winter session gets underway, so i don’t miss anything. private lessons might be an option. i’m a pretty weak swimmer, and have of late been simply teaching myself a few new strokes and am just working on endurance, and a bit on technique (based on stuff i read from a swimming book). While there is also a swimming newsgroup, I’ve found it to be one of the least helpful, but I think that’s because swimming really requires in-person instruction and discussing the finer points is really best left to really advanced swimmers.  The bicycling newsgroups (I think there are at least seven now) are high-volume places where you can get some good help if you don’t mind putting up with a bit of noise along the way.

not sure how deep into the cycling thing i *need* to get. i have a bike, but am not fanatic about riding it. like you, my first love is running. Hope this is of some help, and I’m glad to continue off-list if it would be helpful to you.

sure, i’ll direct further questions to you that way. thanks very much, Steve. Cam

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cam, It’s been so long since I’ve looked at beginning tri books, that I really don’t know which is a good one. However, I can recommend a good web site:  www.trinewbies.com It’s aimed at new triathletes, has lots of good stuff, and has an active, supportive forum. The guy that runs it lives here on St. Simons Island. We were supposed to do IM Canada  together in ‘98 but he bailed because of medical problems. He just did IM Fla in, IIRC, around 12 hours. Give it a look. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, ‘99, ‘00 ‘01 Great Floridian

thanks, Mike. i’ll check it out. Cam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so… can anyone recommend ONE good beginner’s triathlon book? something that is fun to read AND informative. just enough to get me set up with the basic skills, knowledge and equipment to do a sprint tri. i looked at a few different books today; some looked far too technical for a newbie like me (like a huge one called something like "the triathlete’s bible"), while others were too skimpy. if the sport grabs me, then i’ll get into that stuff. Not so long ago down and out with a knee-problem – and now training for an ironman competition! Wau. Jarno

um, Jarno, you must be careful there…. I said *sprint* triathlon – NOT the IM. the IM is merely a dream for me; that will have to wait until after many other goals are achieved first. my knee is still iffy (not really sure of its status – need to talk to dr’s again), but a good physiotherapist friend told me that if i did certain exercises  and stretches, i should be running again soon. encouraged by that, i have begun to think more positively about 2002 racing goals. thanks for the support! Cam

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I have to agree with Steve, although I am a triathlete, The triathlon ng is not very friendly. The first book I bough was Endurance training for the serious athlete. Great book, but not too "fun" The other I would recommend is the triathletes training bible. You can get the triathletes training bible and total immersion for $26.00 at Amazon right now. They have a special running if you buy them both at once. Amazon also has the option to buy it used if they have it. (No, no Amazon stock) I also am a real beginner and only do sprints so far. Running is my first love. It was the discovery of running that lead me to believe I could do a tri. Good Luck!!! jojo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i know, i know…. this isn’t exactly a triathlon ng, and i know that there IS one i can check out (and i will), BUT…. i know that there are at least a few folks here who do tri’s, and you *might* be more likely to give me some good tips, seeing as you may know me well enough now to consider me not too unlikable (at least my ng personality OK, now who are the tri guys and gals here? David, the two Mikes, any others? so… can anyone recommend ONE good beginner’s triathlon book? something that is fun to read AND informative. just enough to get me set up with the basic skills, knowledge and equipment to do a sprint tri. i looked at a few different books today; some looked far too technical for a newbie like me (like a huge one called something like "the triathlete’s bible"), while others were too skimpy. if the sport grabs me, then i’ll get into that stuff. i *did* pick up Triathlon 101, by John Mora. it cost more than some of the others, but it looked pretty good. i also grabbed the lastest copies of two tri magazines. any other suggestions would be much appreciated. I shouldn’t think that more than one or two books would be necessary…. and there MUST be something good on the web to help me out. thanks for any help! Cam

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I run, swim, and cycle regularly although I don’t do triathlons.  (The closest I got was doing the running leg of a tri last year for the first time as part of a team.) I’m glad to be of any assistance in terms of training for all three sports.  I generally run 3x/week, bike 2x/week and swim 2x/week these days, along with weight training and tae kwan do.  At times in the recent past, I’ve done all three sports on the same day.  Anything’s possible as long as you allow sufficient recovery time. There _is_ a triathlon newsgroup but I haven’t found it to be the friendly place this is. If I could offer but one piece of advice, it would be to take swimming lessons (assuming you aren’t already a good swimmer).  Swimming is the most skill dependent of the three sports and by a *lot*.  I swam on my own for a while, then signed up for things at my local YMCA – first an ‘advanced’ swimming class, where they worked on all the different strokes and taught us some basic practice ideas, then private lessons for a year with a former competitive swimmer.  Between the two I made quite a transformation, from someone who could kinda sorta swim a mile without stopping to someone who everyone now comes up to and asks me if _I_ used to be a member of the swim team!  (I used to just laugh when they said that but now I accept the compliment graciously as a reflection of all the hard work I put in.) While there is also a swimming newsgroup, I’ve found it to be one of the least helpful, but I think that’s because swimming really requires in-person instruction and discussing the finer points is really best left to really advanced swimmers.  The bicycling newsgroups (I think there are at least seven now) are high-volume places where you can get some good help if you don’t mind putting up with a bit of noise along the way. Hope this is of some help, and I’m glad to continue off-list if it would be helpful to you. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i know, i know…. this isn’t exactly a triathlon ng, and i know that there IS one i can check out (and i will), BUT…. i know that there are at least a few folks here who do tri’s, and you *might* be more likely to give me some good tips, seeing as you may know me well enough now to consider me not too unlikable (at least my ng personality OK, now who are the tri guys and gals here? David, the two Mikes, any others? so… can anyone recommend ONE good beginner’s triathlon book? something that is fun to read AND informative. just enough to get me set up with the basic skills, knowledge and equipment to do a sprint tri. i looked at a few different books today; some looked far too technical for a newbie like me (like a huge one called something like "the triathlete’s bible"), while others were too skimpy. if the sport grabs me, then i’ll get into that stuff. i *did* pick up Triathlon 101, by John Mora. it cost more than some of the others, but it looked pretty good. i also grabbed the lastest copies of two tri magazines. any other suggestions would be much appreciated. I shouldn’t think that more than one or two books would be necessary…. and there MUST be something good on the web to help me out. thanks for any help! Cam

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Cam, It’s been so long since I’ve looked at beginning tri books, that I really don’t know which is a good one. However, I can recommend a good web site:  www.trinewbies.com It’s aimed at new triathletes, has lots of good stuff, and has an active, supportive forum. The guy that runs it lives here on St. Simons Island. We were supposed to do IM Canada  together in ‘98 but he bailed because of medical problems. He just did IM Fla in, IIRC, around 12 hours. Give it a look. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" ‘98 Ironman Canada, ‘99, ‘00 ‘01 Great Floridian

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so… can anyone recommend ONE good beginner’s triathlon book? something that is fun to read AND informative. just enough to get me set up with the basic skills, knowledge and equipment to do a sprint tri. i looked at a few different books today; some looked far too technical for a newbie like me (like a huge one called something like "the triathlete’s bible"), while others were too skimpy. if the sport grabs me, then i’ll get into that stuff.

Not so long ago down and out with a knee-problem – and now training for an ironman competition! Wau. Jarno — The woods are lovely, dark and deep But I have promises to keep And miles to go before I sleep And miles to go before I sleep.  - Robert Frost

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i know, i know…. this isn’t exactly a triathlon ng, and i know that there IS one i can check out (and i will), BUT…. i know that there are at least a few folks here who do tri’s, and you *might* be more likely to give me some good tips, seeing as you may know me well enough now to consider me not too unlikable (at least my ng personality OK, now who are the tri guys and gals here? David, the two Mikes, any others? so… can anyone recommend ONE good beginner’s triathlon book? something that is fun to read AND informative. just enough to get me set up with the basic skills, knowledge and equipment to do a sprint tri. i looked at a few different books today; some looked far too technical for a newbie like me (like a huge one called something like "the triathlete’s bible"), while others were too skimpy. if the sport grabs me, then i’ll get into that stuff. i *did* pick up Triathlon 101, by John Mora. it cost more than some of the others, but it looked pretty good. i also grabbed the lastest copies of two tri magazines. any other suggestions would be much appreciated. I shouldn’t think that more than one or two books would be necessary…. and there MUST be something good on the web to help me out. thanks for any help! Cam

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one of your other personalities? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Over the past few weeks we have received more than the odd few emails from Date.com and finally got them to accept I did not sign myself up. Anyone the giveaway was the "I love RST" in one of the registered comments and the user password as Triathlon, sinced changed! Well done to whoever did it but, thanks and no thanks!!!!! Lloyd

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Oh Lloyd, Giving someone the impression it’s a little lonely down there? Training a little long and neglecting your love life? That’s a good one (wish I thought of it, but I’m innocent, honest) Wayne

| Over the past few weeks we have received more than the odd few emails from | Date.com and finally got them to accept I did not sign myself up. | | Anyone the giveaway was the "I love RST" in one of the registered comments | and the user password as Triathlon, sinced changed! | | Well done to whoever did it but, thanks and no thanks!!!!! | | | | Lloyd | |

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Over the past few weeks we have received more than the odd few emails from Date.com and finally got them to accept I did not sign myself up. Anyone the giveaway was the "I love RST" in one of the registered comments and the user password as Triathlon, sinced changed! Well done to whoever did it but, thanks and no thanks!!!!! Lloyd

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From Westwood, hit San Vicente Blvd (to the West). You can ride west, all the way to Santa Monica, then go down in the canyon until you hit PCH. Head North to Malibu, but BE CAREFUL ! They drive nuts down there ! Lynne (from Pacific Palisades, originally)

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 Fellow RSTers: I will be spending approximately 3-4 weeks (JUNE) in LA for work related purposes… I will be staying at the Westwood Marquis (I don’t know where it is in relation to anything…) I’d like to hook up with some fellow triathletes… and do some rides — long rides preferrably. Show me the way please!!! I’m training for IMUSA and have been doing some long rides lately (Saturday’s avg. 70 miles and Sundays 100 miles) and don’t want to lose my fitness. Any ideas if I can rent a tri bike from a local shop… just take my pedals and shoes? Any information would be greatly appreciated. I usually average anywhere from 19-22mph depending on the day and the wind. Also, is there a Masters Swim workout or a local YMCA I could swim at? Running I assume would be no problem… just head anywhere and that is it. Please respond via posting or email. thanks in advance, — Chris — StoneBilly2 is powered by Illy Espresso Caffe’

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Triathlete Zombies has bike rides on Saturdays and Sundays.  The Saturday rides tend to be 30-50 miles around Palos Verdes, and the Sunday rides are between 50-100.  There are enough people around that you can go almost any distance.  Contact the store (www.triathletezombies.com) I know of two swim clubs out here: SCAQ and UCLA Masters.  I’m a member of SCAQ, and they have about 50 workouts a week in the morning, afternoon, and night at different locations on the West side. Check out http://www.swim.net/scaq/ HTH JP **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be spending approximately 3-4 weeks (JUNE) in LA for work related purposes… I will be staying at the Westwood Marquis (I don’t know where it is in relation to anything…) I’d like to hook up with some fellow triathletes… and do some rides — long rides preferrably. Show me the way please!!! I’m training for IMUSA and have been doing some long rides lately (Saturday’s avg. 70 miles and Sundays 100 miles) and don’t want to lose my fitness. Any ideas if I can rent a tri bike from a local shop… just take my pedals and shoes? Any information would be greatly appreciated. I usually average anywhere from 19-22mph depending on the day and the wind. Also, is there a Masters Swim workout or a local YMCA I could swim at? Running I assume would be no problem… just head anywhere and that is it.

I coach at the UCLA Bruin Masters. We workout on campus at the Men’s Gym pool. 5:45am, 10am, and 6pm. Sat 8am & 9:15am. San Vincinte is the best place to go for rides and runs. Groups usually meet at S.V. & Ocean at 7:00am for a long Sat ride. Tri Zomibes is a good contact, and there are other cycling clubs like Velo Club La Grange that have organized rides during the week. Track Club LA has a Tuesday night track workout at Santa Monica High School that several triathletes go to. Maybe I’ll see you at one of them. Swimmingly, Michael Collins UCLA Bruin Masters – Coach Merchandise Manager Sports Publications Inc. Swimming World

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Can anyone direct me to some good site with some suggested training schedules for Sprint Tri’s. I am looking for some tips to speed training on my bike as well. Any help would be great. Thanks.

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Not sure about sprints but there are some training links on www.trinewbies.com gordo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi folks…  I am doing the Vineman triathlon (Iron distance) on July 26th. I am not sure if my bike training is enough. I do a 70 miler on week ends and three to four 40 milers during the week. I am planning on doing 80+ during the next 3 weekends. Is this sufficient ????  I ran a marathon comfortably last month and have done a 21 mile run. Right now i am just doing 5 mile runs for maintenance.   I could swim 2 miles easily (at about 30 minute/mile pace).   Most of my training is at random and by intuition…..i just go by how i feel….but i do the 70 miler on weekends, religiously…   Could you please advise me as to how i could improve my training so as to run a descent race. I know time is short (ie. 3 weeks of training left and 1 week of rest or taper). Please help me with some workout tips….i would really appreciate it…..

If the above numbers are really correct, I think your 190 – 230 miles a week on the bike are plenty. The only thing I would recommend is trying to do at least one 100-110 mile ride before the race, and AT LEAST 2 weeks before. Just leave out a 40 miler and do a real easy long ride. Try to take all the things you plan on eating in the race and try them on your long rides. As for running, it sounds like you are ready with your recent marathon. Perhaps a couple of 1.5 hour runs before the race to remind you legs what the pounding is like. Swimming sounds fine, too. There is really not too many things you want to be changing this close to the race.   Secondly, How about nutrition during the race and during training ???please help me as well…..my approach is brute force…..

Well, brute force works if your stomach can handle it. I like to eat a sandwich (PB&J or turkey and mustard) and some wheat thins on the bike to interrupt to energy bar intake and get some salt. I drink mainly fluid replacement drink, every once in a while some water, and coke on the last 1/3 of the run. You really should try these things out in training before drastically altering your current habits this close to the race. thanks a million… joseph

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Hi folks…   I am doing the Vineman triathlon (Iron distance) on July 26th. I am not sure if my bike training is enough. I do a 70 miler on week ends and three to four 40 milers during the week. I am planning on doing 80+ during the next 3 weekends. Is this sufficient ????   I ran a marathon comfortably last month and have done a 21 mile run. Right now i am just doing 5 mile runs for maintenance.    I could swim 2 miles easily (at about 30 minute/mile pace).    Most of my training is at random and by intuition…..i just go by how i feel….but i do the 70 miler on weekends, religiously…    Could you please advise me as to how i could improve my training so as to run a descent race. I know time is short (ie. 3 weeks of training left and 1 week of rest or taper). Please help me with some workout tips….i would really appreciate it…..    Secondly, How about nutrition during the race and during training ???please help me as well…..my approach is brute force….. thanks a million… joseph

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Dear triathletes, I am very new to multi sports and I am training for an adventure race (3-6 miles running, 10-20 miles mountain biking, 1-8 miles paddling and some other stuff like rock climbing and "secret missions"). I am following a very good running program, my time is improving and my endurance is getting better. But now I got a bike (Specialized Stumpjumper comp) and I have no clue how to combine these training. BTW I have 1 day off on running, one day long run (8-9 miles) and 2 other days that I don’t run but workout legs with weights. Any one could help? Thank you very much in advance, and please forgive me if this post is not 100% triathlon. Rafael Guerra

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Dear triathletes, I am very new to multi sports and I am training for an adventure race (3-6 miles running, 10-20 miles mountain biking, 1-8 miles paddling and some other stuff like rock climbing and "secret missions"). I am following a very good running program, my time is improving and my endurance is getting better. But now I got a bike (Specialized Stumpjumper comp) and I have no clue how to combine these training. BTW I have 1 day off on running, one day long run (8-9 miles) and 2 other days that I don’t run but workout legs with weights. Any one could help? Thank you very much in advance, and please forgive me if this post is not 100% triathlon. Rafael Guerra

One question…When’s that Adventure race? Paulo

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does anyone know the 1999 date of this annual race?

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does anyone know the 1999 date of this annual race?

It is on February 13th. Check http://www.grants.org/ for info and an application. I am truing to convince a few teammates to come out there with me. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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This is absolutely a great event.  With that said, I’d check the weather since we have had absolutely no snow in most of New Mexico this year and temps have been at least 10 deg above normal  (50s in Los Alamos & we are usually warmer than Grants).  I also believe that they do not have the capability to make snow for the Mt. Taylor course (this is a semi-educated guess, so you probably should call and make sure). Pat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone know the 1999 date of this annual race? It is on February 13th. Check http://www.grants.org/ for info and an application. I am truing to convince a few teammates to come out there with me. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Heard a rumour that there is a half Ironman Tri in Hawaii some time around May. Anyone have any details?

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The Keahou-Kona Triathlon is on May 30th, on the Big Island. (Much of the same course as Ironman) for more info go to: http://lehua.ilhawaii.net/~kkt/ Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heard a rumour that there is a half Ironman Tri in Hawaii some time around May. Anyone have any details?

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: I think Greg and I would like to think generalization is a good thing, : but specialized groups of people….Borg…maybe.  assimilation… : have certain inherent advantages.

More specifically, I’d like to say that some specialization is a good thing and seems to be a necessary precondition to a complex society such as the one we live in.

You follow in the wake of another Greg Rose (an Aussie) who is also a bright man whom I call friend. I would not quite use the word "good."  Might be "necessary for continuance."  "Good" is a little vague. It’s a delicate balancing act.  I’m a specialist at computers, more specifically I’m a specialist at writing firmware and drivers for networking communications devices.  I use low level languages for my purposes, even machine language from time to time.  I couldn’t write a C++ program to save my life as object oriented languages just don’t cut it at the device level when it comes to meeting performance requirements or even providing a means of communicating with hardware via I/O ports and shared memory mapped to specific locations within the processor’s address space.

"The 21st century will belong to people who took AP Calculus in high school. And physics. It will belong to people who look for opportunities and overlook obstacles.  It will belong to people who communicate well in English.   what color will they be?   I don’t know, and I don’t care." –Joanne Jacobs (Mercury Thursday June 27, 1996) Now we would like this think this, but the future is not assured. Survival used to be a mere matter of physical characteristics. Over time smarts were added, but they were frequently corrupted by those in the existing physical power base.  There’s not a simple logic relationship. The survivors would be the most hardened of convicts, those in solitary confinement.  Another group likely to survive would be file clerks for large insurance companies, because they would housed in fireproof rooms and insulated by tons of the best insulator in the world, paper. The small group of hardened criminals and the army of file file clerks will war with one another for the remaining means of life. The convicts will have a monopoly of violence, but the clerks will have a monopoly of organization. Who do you think will win?         –Walter Groteschele, page 122, Fail Safe, E. Burdick & H.  Wheeler However, ask me fix the plumbing and I’ll give you a dumb stare and flip through the phone book for a plumber’s number.

Then there is Douglas Adams concept of the "B-Ark" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This level of specialization is to me, OK.  However, I feel it necessary to also take the time to learn some generalized knowledge about such things as raising my own food, knowing how to build a basic shelter, and being aware of things that are necessary to know in order to survive outside the boundaries of our specialized societal boundaries. Places such as the backcountry. ‘Cuz ya never know…  Complex systems break down or sometimes you’re stuck in a place where you don’t have access to the specialists that they provide.  At such a time, being over-specialized can be fatal. If I’m stuck in a cold rain with a broken down vehicle many miles away from help I can’t see how my ability to write machine code is going to save me.  However, my generalized abilities at building a shelter, obtaining food, and protecting myself from the elemets will come in very handy. And yes, I have been in that exact situation before.

It’s why misc.survivialism started. : I know a lot of people who are generalists are struggling.  They have a : lot of fear. They are called "Letters and Arts" majors in college as : one example. Heh.  I was in Liberal Arts until I figured out I’d never make a living at it.

Ah!  A change of behavior.  Very important.

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Humans have not yet been around long enough to know whether specialization or "generalization" is "better."  I wish I knew.

It only takes one ice age to answer that question for you! The reality is that insects are survivors.

As species- but not as individuals. What’s your personal priority? –mike

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: More specifically, I’d like to say that some specialization is a good : thing and seems to be a necessary precondition to a complex society : such as the one we live in.

: I would not quite use the word "good."  Might be "necessary for : continuance."  "Good" is a little vague. Greg continued: : Heh.  I was in Liberal Arts until I figured out I’d never make a living : at it. Eugene quipped: : Ah!  A change of behavior.  Very important. I would bet that our generation will see some redefining of what constitutes "scholarship" in the sciences and technical fields. Specialization leads to hyper-specialization. Soon even folks within the same field can not converse. I’m a card carrying mathematician. While I might be able to discuss the 4-color thereorm, I couldn’t begin to discuss the proof of Fermat intelegnently and whats worse, I’m not in the minority. Alvin Sokal’s recent ruse went after the lack of peer review especially in the post-modern journals. But I would challange other technoids to read his essay and to find ALL of the mistatements. A corallary to Sokal is that we are ignorant outside of speciality. Hardin noted the same thing, no? The Arts, to their credit, have long recognized the validity of integrative and expository scholarship. One need not be poet or novelist or plywrite. One could be a literary critice or literary historian. This sort of scholarship allows for bitg picture thinking and allows for excursions outside of narrow disiplines. Maybe we will live to see the day when ethicist are in bio departments, historians in engineering and philosophers (back) in math. Dave Mann           | "It is impossible, or not easy, to do                     |  noble acts without the proper equipment."

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Eugene Miya You want us to call you OLD Lt.?

NO! For heaven’s sake, that’s much worse… Markus Bjorksten

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Eugene Miya "Young Lt." ??!! Have I deserved this?! Uhm… no comment <g. For the record: Young? Nope, 30. Lt? 2nd Lt. res.

You want us to call you OLD Lt.?

Smells like victory.

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…  John McCarthy …  used to read this news group … …  Talk about loyal opposition: John is sharp, but he has his weaknesses.  He’s some of the best opposition an environmentalist can have.

Arguing with McCarthy on sci.environment used to piss me off — how could such a smart man be so ignorant of the biological sciences, and yet feel qualified to hold such strong opinions about environmental politics? And then I realized that he was forcing me to find references to back up my (asserted, quasi-religious) ideas, forcing me to think through things I’d long accepted without thinking. And then he became almost the only poster to sci.environment whose posts I read regularly and carefully (well, Stein Siggurdson’s too). Now I lurk, and learn, and grow stronger. — Joel Hanes  SP4                       Houseman Scholar, University of Ediacara    "Only the enemy shows you where you are weak."                                 Orson Scott Card                               _Ender’s_Game_    "Smarter environmentalists will come."                               Eugene Nobuyo Miya    "A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity,    stability, and beauty of the biotic community.  It is wrong    when it tends otherwise."                                Aldo Leopold

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As Lazarus Long said, "Specialization is for insects."

Niven and Pournelle have written some neat stuff, but Lazarus Long was the creation of Robert Heinlein (in "Time Enough For Love" and various other titles).

Good mid-course correction. And Nov. 7 Star Troopers. I withhold further comments about Jerry.  I think he can do better.

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Eugene Miya

"Young Lt." ??!! Have I deserved this?! Uhm… no comment <g. For the record: Young? Nope, 30. Lt? 2nd Lt. res. Markus Bjorksten

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: I think Greg and I would like to think generalization is a good thing, : but specialized groups of people….Borg…maybe.  assimilation… : have certain inherent advantages. More specifically, I’d like to say that some specialization is a good thing and seems to be a necessary precondition to a complex society such as the one we live in. It’s a delicate balancing act.  I’m a specialist at computers, more specifically I’m a specialist at writing firmware and drivers for networking communications devices.  I use low level languages for my purposes, even machine language from time to time.  I couldn’t write a C++ program to save my life as object oriented languages just don’t cut it at the device level when it comes to meeting performance requirements or even providing a means of communicating with hardware via I/O ports and shared memory mapped to specific locations within the processor’s address space. However, ask me fix the plumbing and I’ll give you a dumb stare and flip through the phone book for a plumber’s number. This level of specialization is to me, OK.  However, I feel it necessary to also take the time to learn some generalized knowledge about such things as raising my own food, knowing how to build a basic shelter, and being aware of things that are necessary to know in order to survive outside the boundaries of our specialized societal boundaries. Places such as the backcountry. ‘Cuz ya never know…  Complex systems break down or sometimes you’re stuck in a place where you don’t have access to the specialists that they provide.  At such a time, being over-specialized can be fatal. If I’m stuck in a cold rain with a broken down vehicle many miles away from help I can’t see how my ability to write machine code is going to save me.  However, my generalized abilities at building a shelter, obtaining food, and protecting myself from the elemets will come in very handy. And yes, I have been in that exact situation before. : I know a lot of people who are generalists are struggling.  They have a : lot of fear. They are called "Letters and Arts" majors in college as : one example. Heh.  I was in Liberal Arts until I figured out I’d never make a living at it. greg rose

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Specialization is for insects not humans. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I think Greg and I would like to think generalization is a good thing, : but specialized groups of people….Borg…maybe.  assimilation… : have certain inherent advantages. More specifically, I’d like to say that some specialization is a good thing and seems to be a necessary precondition to a complex society such as the one we live in. It’s a delicate balancing act.  I’m a specialist at computers, more specifically I’m a specialist at writing firmware and drivers for networking communications devices.  I use low level languages for my purposes, even machine language from time to time.  I couldn’t write a C++ program to save my life as object oriented languages just don’t cut it at the device level when it comes to meeting performance requirements or even providing a means of communicating with hardware via I/O ports and shared memory mapped to specific locations within the processor’s address space. However, ask me fix the plumbing and I’ll give you a dumb stare and flip through the phone book for a plumber’s number. This level of specialization is to me, OK.  However, I feel it necessary to also take the time to learn some generalized knowledge about such things as raising my own food, knowing how to build a basic shelter, and being aware of things that are necessary to know in order to survive outside the boundaries of our specialized societal boundaries. Places such as the backcountry. ‘Cuz ya never know…  Complex systems break down or sometimes you’re stuck in a place where you don’t have access to the specialists that they provide.  At such a time, being over-specialized can be fatal. If I’m stuck in a cold rain with a broken down vehicle many miles away from help I can’t see how my ability to write machine code is going to save me.  However, my generalized abilities at building a shelter, obtaining food, and protecting myself from the elemets will come in very handy. And yes, I have been in that exact situation before. : I know a lot of people who are generalists are struggling.  They have a : lot of fear. They are called "Letters and Arts" majors in college as : one example. Heh.  I was in Liberal Arts until I figured out I’d never make a living at it. greg rose

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: Specialization is for insects not humans. < 50+ lines of quote deleted I guess it’s that time of year again when new students flood the net. but hang around Jr., you will be assimilated. – mh

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I consider over-specialization to be dangerous. I agree, but I am not certain that either of our opinions will count for much. As Lazarus Long said, "Specialization is for insects." Humans have not yet been around long enough to know whether specialization or "generalization" is "better."  I wish I knew. I’ve not read enough of the "wisdom" of Lazarus Long (I see Jerry Pournelle every November and have yet to meet Larry Niven).  I don’t have a great opinion of Jerry, but he is entitled to his opinion. Jerry’s no biologist.  And he does not hang out with enough of them (I just got in a nuclear power/nuclear security argument with him where he apologized when he had no need to apologize). So be careful when associating with ideas with fictional characters. I think: You can do better (than Jerry). 8^)

Niven and Pournelle have written some neat stuff, but Lazarus Long was the creation of Robert Heinlein (in "Time Enough For Love" and various other titles).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I consider over-specialization to be dangerous. I agree, but I am not certain that either of our opinions will count for much. As Lazarus Long said, "Specialization is for insects." Humans have not yet been around long enough to know whether specialization or "generalization" is "better."  I wish I knew. I’ve not read enough of the "wisdom" of Lazarus Long (I see Jerry Pournelle every November and have yet to meet Larry Niven).  I don’t have a great opinion of Jerry, but he is entitled to his opinion. Jerry’s no biologist.  And he does not hang out with enough of them (I just got in a nuclear power/nuclear security argument with him where he apologized when he had no need to apologize). So be careful when associating with ideas with fictional characters. I think: You can do better (than Jerry). 8^) Niven and Pournelle have written some neat stuff, but Lazarus Long was the creation of Robert Heinlein (in "Time Enough For Love" and various other titles).

I believe that Lazarus Long made his first appearance in "Future History."  "Time Enough for Love" was the second major appearance and I believe the last was "Number of the Beast."  It’s been yeas since I read them, but I remember that Heinlein himself was one of the characters in one of the books (I believe "Number of the Beast" and described as the most dangerous man in several universes. — Michael M. Schmieg Attorney at Law 110 Main Street Milford, Ohio 45150 voice 513-831-1200 fax   513-831-1201 http://w3.one.net/~schmieg

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"If I don’t need one, then why would anyone?" This sure is a common question here.

Yep. Eugene Miya It depends [on] what you are doing there. Certainly. This is why tritium compasses are important too .

Yep, and that’s why the numbers are important. Few. I find a watch useful for the following: – Navigation: estimating distance – Navigation: direction finding (Sun) – Meeting times – Turn around times for safety. – Communication time – Weather broadcast time – Transportation time – Alarm clock

A fine list Markus. Another problem is to remember eg the somewhat complicated algorithm for determining the time from Ursa Major. Personally I don’t find it worth wile. Using the Moon, if visible, is simpler btw. constallation and their arc.  The problem is accuracy.  

The algorithm is not very complicated (start with 24 hours and 360 degrees).  But it requires darkness and knowing right ascendion. Easier to carry a watch.  Derivable.  

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I consider over-specialization to be dangerous. I agree, but I am not certain that either of our opinions will count for much.

As Lazarus Long said, "Specialization is for insects."

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I consider over-specialization to be dangerous.

I agree, but I am not certain that either of our opinions will count for much.

As Lazarus Long said, "Specialization is for insects."

Humans have not yet been around long enough to know whether specialization or "generalization" is "better."  I wish I knew. I’ve not read enough of the "wisdom" of Lazarus Long (I see Jerry Pournelle every November and have yet to meet Larry Niven).  I don’t have a great opinion of Jerry, but he is entitled to his opinion. Jerry’s no biologist.  And he does not hang out with enough of them (I just got in a nuclear power/nuclear security argument with him where he apologized when he had no need to apologize). So be careful when associating with ideas with fictional characters. I think: You can do better (than Jerry). 8^) Just yesterday I heard twice, two different versions of a joke which started         What’s the differences between XXX and Jurassic Park?         One is about a bunch of dinosaurs surrounded by insects, etc.         [Gap intended for the punchline]         And the other is a movie. I heard this twice which was amazing to me.  Different people. I even have a tee-shirt about this (MPCI: from LLNL: Attack of the Killer Micros). The reality is that insects are survivors.  They have many successful attributes (one r.b. residents declared himself an Alien (from Alien). They have social structures and classifications completely different from binary thinking humans (e.g.: Queens, drones, workers). I think Greg and I would like to think generalization is a good thing, but specialized groups of people….Borg…maybe.  assimilation… have certain inherent advantages. I know a lot of people who are generalists are struggling.  They have a lot of fear. They are called "Letters and Arts" majors in college as one example. You see one problem with this news group, and it’s a problem I had trying to run a professional society (Association for Computing Machinery, Special Interesting Group on Computer Graphics), is that it gets filled up with novices.  And there’s almost nothing of value for the knowledgeable people to stay or do (Well in my SIG there were and that’s why we were successful).  That’s few incentives beyond the traditional ones set up by royalities, salaries, etc. News groups which require some skill: professional or avocational have a different tone in them.  Here, the only knowledge a novice has is to appear to be polite.  That does not, and it should not cut it here. "Sorry"s, "Thank you"s, and "Attaboy"s just won’t cut it. Unlike other most news groups, we deal with lethal information here. There’s a high price for context.  Novices think "It won’t happen to me." Just slightly above novices start to get paranoid (those are the various filter, pepper spray, gun, etc. threads).  [Overreact.] People want a quick oracle of free information without the responsibility inherent in context.  They are willing to move some of it around like money (to be seemingly helpful) when say their friends ask.  To look good. And this is why airlines have to tell the general public travelling with small children to have the adult put their O2 masks FIRST in event of sudden cabin depressurization: because normal social conventions are dumb. Bzztm bzztm, bzz  Resistance is futile…… "Zoldans do not like shallow expressions of courtesy."         –Wesley Crusher Sorry for those of you who puke at Wesley.  8^)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the : backcountry.  I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from : watching shadows. (Ans listening to my belly rumble!) : I wear one but I agree that you don’t "need" one.  A friend of never : wears a watch & claims to rely on the sun.  When I’m with him though he : asks me for the time. Depends what you’re doing, where and when.

One thing I use my watch for is to estimate the portage half way point when doing passing portages. Passing Portage – One person carries load "A" half way, returns for load "B" & carries it all the way. Other person carries load "C" all the way & returns to half way point to get load "A".  This can be used when there is a little too much load for a single portage. The stopwatch function is the easiest way to estimate half way.  I assume 12-16 minutes per 1000 meters depending on terrain.  I used to rely on counting steps but usually lost count. — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!"

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[Reference lost] Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the backcountry.  

"If I don’t need one, then why would anyone?" This sure is a common question here. Eugene Miya It depends [on] what you are doing there.

Certainly. This is why tritium compasses are important too . I find a watch useful for the following:  - Navigation: estimating distance walked/skied, especially in limited    visibility and other hard to navigate situations. Important.    Stop-watch function is useful, and illumination is handy in night    usage, although it’s too bright in typical watches.  - Navigation: direction finding (Sun) in an area with magnetic    anomalies.  - Meeting times for rejoining group, emergencies etc.  - Turn around times for safety.  - Communication times, eg when radiotelephones are carried.  - Weather broadcast times, when radio is carried (eg sea-kayaking).  - Transportation times: fetch times, bus time-tables etc.  - Alarm clock to remind of all of the above and to help early    wake up eg when required by snow conditions changing during the    day (spring-winter). (Problematic in cold though as keeping    watch in sleeping bag muffles the sound and it might not    work due to the cold if kept outside.) One can read the time from knowing the locations of certain constallation and their arc.  The problem is accuracy.   That has always been the longitude problem.

Another problem is to remember eg the somewhat complicated algorithm for determining the time from Ursa Major. Personally I don’t find it worth wile. Using the Moon, if visible, is simpler btw. Markus Bjorksten [delete this]iki.fi

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Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the backcountry.  I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from watching shadows. (Ans listening to my belly rumble!) -TimN

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Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the backcountry.  I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from watching shadows. (Ans listening to my belly rumble!) -TimN

I wear one but I agree that you don’t "need" one.  A friend of never wears a watch & claims to rely on the sun.  When I’m with him though he asks me for the time. — Lloyd Bowles The Mad Canoeist "Keep the open side up!"

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(Trn0) writes: I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from watching shadows.

 You must not hike in the NW, where the sun might not shine for days.   Always, Fred Chittenden http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/homestead/always/always.htm

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: : Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the : backcountry.  I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from : watching shadows. (Ans listening to my belly rumble!) : : -TimN : I wear one but I agree that you don’t "need" one.  A friend of never : wears a watch & claims to rely on the sun.  When I’m with him though he : asks me for the time. Well, just to be contrary… What if there isn’t any sun?  Like if it’s cloudy, or nighttime. If someone is familiar with their constellations and stars and knows the time of the year and what time it is then they can get a good idea of their location and even their direction. greg rose

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That’s why I used the term "good idea".  Without a reliable map and compass it can be very difficult to determine "exactly" where one is.

I’ve watched some of my friends who attempt to tell time at night using constellations.  Fortunately we typically aren’t travelling.  The big problem is trig: accuracy. I noted your qualification.  It was not a problem. to keep track of the positions of the stars and the phase of the moon.

That I keep track of if I need to approach a climb early and need all the daylight I can get to switch leads. : ftp://ftp.ai.mit.edu/pub/minsky/NegExp.mss.txt There are some things I know not to do. Cool article Eugene, you never cease to amaze me.

ROTFL.  What did I do?  I was just click on web pointers on one part of the screen, while reading mail, news, and programming in other parts. I just thought Marvin wrote a great article.

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: Cool article Eugene, you never cease to amaze me. : ROTFL.  What did I do? You displayed yet another facet of a personality that seems to me to be one of a definite renaissance quality.  Many people these days seem to be very specialized and in general they’re pretty ignorant about things outside of their dominant perview.  It’s good to see someone who seems to be interested in a wide variety of subjects.  It’s actually quite rare these days, especially on Usenet. I consider over-specialization to be dangerous. greg rose

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: : Somebody back up and explain why I need *any* watch when heading to the : backcountry.  I learn everything I need to know about the time of day from : watching shadows. (Ans listening to my belly rumble!) : I wear one but I agree that you don’t "need" one.  A friend of never : wears a watch & claims to rely on the sun.  When I’m with him though he : asks me for the time. Depends what you’re doing, where and when. If you’re navigating in difficult conditions (say whiteout on a plateau with cliff edges, like the Cairngorms) then a watch is an important navigation tool, as timing yourself can be a reliable indicator of where you are.  Along with pace counting, this is the sort of thing that works inside the error potential of a GPS system, which is big enough that it can take you over a cliff in full white conditions.  Also in Scotland you have a serious daylight problem in winter (it’s getting up towards 60 N), and you really need to know how much daylight you have left so you know whether to bale out of a route or not.  If you’re climbing a gully on a gloomy day, all you can tell from shadows is that everything’s in one:  not terribly useful.  Another reason to know the time is so you can get back to a rendezvous *before* a cut-off to call out the rescue. I only usually wear a watch when I’m in the hills, not the other way around.  As for "You need a RUGGED WATCH!", a cheap Casio is shockproof, waterproof and is perfectly up to most outdoor activities. Pete. — Peter Clinch                    Dundee University & Teaching Hospitals Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 3637    Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177              Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why would I buy an imitation, especially if wanting a rugged watch?  Get a Timex Triathalon or Ironman.  They are much more accurate than your trash, have alarm, timer, stopwatch. They are very water resistant, shockproof, the battery lasts for 5 years & you can read them in the dark. They also aren’t infringing on copyright. — Lloyd Bowles Agreed!  I’ve got a Timex Triathlon shock resistant.  Great watch and tougher than hell!  Why infringe on copyright for no reason? Mark

 Why would you want to get an expensive watch like that for getting away from it all in the wilderness?  I use a $2.99 digital watch from the corner drugstore and it keeps time to a few seconds per day.  It may be designed for kids but what the heck who cares about fashion when you’re getting away from civilization.? — Pete Schultz                    (630) 979-1290 Lucent Technologies             2000 N. Naperville Road         ih 5c-440

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Why would I buy an imitation, especially if wanting a rugged watch?  Get a Timex Triathalon or Ironman.  They are much more accurate than your trash, have alarm, timer, stopwatch. They are very water resistant, shockproof, the battery lasts for 5 years & you can read them in the dark. They also aren’t infringing on copyright. — Lloyd Bowles

Agreed!  I’ve got a Timex Triathlon shock resistant.  Great watch and tougher than hell!  Why infringe on copyright for no reason? Mark

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Does anyone know if there is a triathlon club in the Denver, Colorado area?

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: In a recent edition of Inside Triathlon I saw (someplace near the events : calendar) a section detailing when certain multi-sport events were being : aired on ESPN.  Quite useful, if you happen to subscribe to ESPN — which : I do not since it seems to cost a mint. : Can anyone tell me airtimes or where to find airtimes for multi-sport : events on TSN (the only dedicated sports channel I have)?  I think TSN is : strictly Canadian, but if anyone out there can get me some info on this, : I’d greatly appreciate it! This Wednesday at 3:00 pm TSN will be replaying the St. Croix triathlon. Cheers. Dave

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Draft-legal, yes? Thanks anyway, I believe draft-boycott begins at home.

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The following is the schedule for the tv coverage of the ITU Triathlon World Cup. ESPN – Gerardmer, France             June 28 (repeat)   2:00pm Derry, Northern Ireland        July 11              12:30pm                                         July 20 (repeat)    2:30pm ESPN2 – Gerardmer, France            June 24               12:00pm                                        July 5                    2:00pm Derry, Northern Ireland      July 15                   2:00pm *ALL TIMES EST             *CHECK LOCAL LISTING             *TUNE IN! Tri-Fed/USA

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Has anyone figured out the Southern California broadcast time for the rebroadcast of the gatorade ironman. I think it is this weekend. Brian Sullivan

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The Ironman will start at 11:30 am tomorrow on NBC in Los Angeles Dave Wirta

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can anyone tell me airtimes or where to find airtimes for multi-sport events on TSN (the only dedicated sports channel I have)?  I think TSN is strictly Canadian, but if anyone out there can get me some info on this, I’d greatly appreciate it! The Gatorade Ironman from last year is being aired on NBC tomorrow (june 24) from 2:30 to 4:30 I think.

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In a recent edition of Inside Triathlon I saw (someplace near the events calendar) a section detailing when certain multi-sport events were being aired on ESPN.  Quite useful, if you happen to subscribe to ESPN — which I do not since it seems to cost a mint. Can anyone tell me airtimes or where to find airtimes for multi-sport events on TSN (the only dedicated sports channel I have)?  I think TSN is strictly Canadian, but if anyone out there can get me some info on this, I’d greatly appreciate it! Thanks! R. Ross Holder, Jr.           | The Gen-X Consulting Group Interactive Consultant        | Information * Communication * Promotion

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a recent edition of Inside Triathlon I saw (someplace near the events calendar) a section detailing when certain multi-sport events were being aired on ESPN.  Quite useful, if you happen to subscribe to ESPN — which I do not since it seems to cost a mint. Can anyone tell me airtimes or where to find airtimes for multi-sport events on TSN (the only dedicated sports channel I have)?  I think TSN is strictly Canadian, but if anyone out there can get me some info on this, I’d greatly appreciate it! Thanks! R. Ross Holder, Jr.           | The Gen-X Consulting Group Interactive Consultant        | Information * Communication * Promotion

Next Sunday (25/6) you can see the highlights of the Dutch tri-championships on Studio sport (Nederland 1, 18.35), is that transmitted on your cable ? Makes a change from the standard soccer schedule we normally get. Dennis Looze and is tipped as the male champion, I wonder if Irma Heere will compete. Wouter                                                                               .                      Wouter Gerritsma  —   O             Wageningen Agricultural University   —  <^_            Department of Agronomy  –  /             Tropical Crop Science Section  —                Haarweg 333 / P.O.box 341                      6700 AH Wageningen          —   O     The Netherlands           —  <^_        —-  /     Telephone: +31 (0)8370 83081      ——-        Telefax  : +31 (0)8370 84575

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FINA will block any attempt to get an unbalanced swimming event certified. Lobby your tri associations to establish a "balanced" format. —

Who is FINA?  Do they have any interest in Triathlon other than the swim? Do we need to start wearing bullet proof vests to protect us from FINA radicals that were so offended during the local tri-for-fun that they started shooting.  What does she mean "block any attempt"?  This is all very puzzling. I think the discusions about a "balanced" Tri are so inappropriate.  The market has decided what an average race format should be. If we had started with different length races then they would be the norm now but we didn’t and we’re stuck with the format we have.  If these FINA people disagree they should start sponsoring "balanced" races and see if they have a big enough following to make an impact on our sport.  I’ve noticed that there are more and more small < 250 entrant races sprouting up all over Northern California.  I wonder what these race organizers would think about a "balanced" format. The original thread asked about the Olympics though and I think Tri’s will be a demonstration sport in ‘96 in Atlanta.  Wonder how the US team will be picked.  Will we have a dream team of Scott, Tinley, Molina, Pigg…?  Or will there be trials like the other events.  Hope theres trials, maybe even televised..naw.

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FINA will block any attempt to get an unbalanced swimming event certified. Lobby your tri associations to establish a "balanced" format.

This will do nothing but slow the process.  Do you want triathlon in the Olympics or not?  Any controversy wrt the distances will only hurt our chances. 99% of the triathlons in the world have "short" swim legs.  That’s the way the sport evolved.  "1500m" is a standard swim race distance, 40k is a standard bike TT distance, 10k is a standard running distance.  These races do *NOT* determine who is the best overall swimmer/biker/runner.  The only way to do that is to stage the event with long breaks inbetween legs. Is that what you want??? Please.  Please.  Please.  DO NOT "Lobby your tri associations to establish a ‘balanced’ format" —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (303) 229-3117

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The original thread asked about the Olympics though and I think Tri’s will be a demonstration sport in ‘96 in Atlanta.  Wonder how the US team will be picked.  Will we have a dream team of Scott, Tinley, Molina, Pigg…?  

I heard on national news that there will be NO demonstration sports in the 96 Olympics.  That is, all new sports will be full medal events. One new sport will be women’s softball.  As far as I’ve heard triathlon will not be a new event. I’d be happy if someone shows me wrong though… Cheers, Scott   — Scott Shackleton               __o       o Dept. of Psychology         (_)/ (_)    /      breakfast of champions Johns Hopkins University

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right in assuming that the "Olympic" title given to 1.5K/40K/10K races is because this is the race that is being promoted as the medal sport? 5K/40K/10K might have a better chance for elite or Olympic compitition.

I think it should be 0.5K/40K/10K. Oops, just checked my training log.  Haven’t been to the pool for 3 weeks… #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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| | | | right in assuming that the "Olympic" title given to 1.5K/40K/10K races is | because this is the race that is being promoted as the medal sport? | | 5K/40K/10K might have a better chance for elite or Olympic compitition. | | I think it’s almost criminal that the triathlon is NOT an Olympic sport. | What can the average triathlete do to help this cause? | | FINA will block any attempt to get an unbalanced swimming event certified. | Lobby your tri associations to establish a "balanced" format. | — oh, oh, it’s deja vu all over again. 5K swim? balanced? does not compute.. — Ontario Telepresence Project, 2670 Queensview Dr., Ottawa, ON, K1N 6N5, CANADA

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What is the latest progress on getting triathlons into the Olympic arena? Is it or has it been an exhibition sport in any Olympic games?  Also, am I right in assuming that the "Olympic" title given to 1.5K/40K/10K races is because this is the race that is being promoted as the medal sport? I think it’s almost criminal that the triathlon is NOT an Olympic sport. What can the average triathlete do to help this cause?

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