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So boycott the pigs. If someone’s breaking the law in front of you, kick them in the nuts as hard as you can, then stomp their head. When the pigs arrive, tell them you don’t want some religious fanatic with a gun and badge in your face, so you’re gonna handle keeping law and order from now on…. Seriously, this is a violation of some kind of right, I would think. Most definitely it flies in the face of the motto "To Protect and Serve" . Cops cannot pick and choose what part of society they are to protect and serve… Next, there will be pigs deciding not to go into ethnic parts of town, or choose not to help a person who is gay, or Jewish, or whatever other all else.  I would hope there’s a huge stakn raised about why a zealot has a badge and gun and the right to force his bizarre predjudices on others.

I guess they need to look up the term "Public Servant" eh? —               =^..^=           The NetKitten          Alexandra Ceelie     http://talk.to/netkitten

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I guess they need to look up the term "Public Servant" eh?

No shit, wot? I mean, what would happen if I decided who I would and wouldn’t help cross street to the school, based on vague moral judgements, or worse, outright bias? "Oh, I’ll cross this parent and their kid, but you look too christian, so get run over." I’d be sooooo fired, sooooo fast! And sooo deservingly. It’s outrageous, is what it is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —               =^..^=           The NetKitten          Alexandra Ceelie     http://talk.to/netkitten

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So boycott the pigs. If someone’s breaking the law in front of you, kick them in the nuts as hard as you can, then stomp their head. When the pigs arrive, tell them you don’t want some religious fanatic with a gun and badge in your face, so you’re gonna handle keeping law and order from now on….

Seriously, this is a violation of some kind of right, I would think. Most definitely it flies in the face of the motto "To Protect and Serve" . Cops cannot pick and choose what part of society they are to protect and serve… Next, there will be pigs deciding not to go into ethnic parts of town, or choose not to help a person who is gay, or Jewish, or whatever other all else.  I would hope there’s a huge stakn raised about why a zealot has a badge and gun and the right to force his bizarre predjudices on others.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Police department in Pennsylvania town accuses YMCA of promoting witchcraft PENRYN, Pa. (AP) The police department has refused to direct traffic at a YMCA triathlon because it says the club promotes witchcraft by reading Harry Potter books to children. Penryn Fire Police Capt. Robert Fichthorn said the eight-member force voted unanimously to boycott the 20th running of the triathlon, scheduled for Sept. 7. ”I don’t feel right taking our children’s minds and teaching them (witchcraft),” Fichthorn said. ”As long as we don’t stand up, it won’t stop. It’s unfortunate that this is the way it has to be.”

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WOW!!!! What  a VALUABLE contribution to the discussion, luzah lurra. Whatta

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – considered running, but paused to say: ~I wouldn’t be surprised if those cops were unexplainably turned into ~frogs….. Hmm, my best friend’s name is Ame, pronounced Ahmee.

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Police department in Pennsylvania town accuses YMCA of promoting witchcraft PENRYN, Pa. (AP) The police department has refused to direct traffic at a YMCA triathlon because it says the club promotes witchcraft by reading Harry Potter books to children. Penryn Fire Police Capt. Robert Fichthorn said the eight-member force voted unanimously to boycott the 20th running of the triathlon, scheduled for Sept. 7. ”I don’t feel right taking our children’s minds and teaching them (witchcraft),” Fichthorn said. ”As long as we don’t stand up, it won’t stop. It’s unfortunate that this is the way it has to be.” http://www.boston.com/dailynews/024/nation/Police_department_in_Penns…

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I wouldn’t be surprised if those cops were unexplainably turned into frogs…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Police department in Pennsylvania town accuses YMCA of promoting witchcraft PENRYN, Pa. (AP) The police department has refused to direct traffic at a YMCA triathlon because it says the club promotes witchcraft by reading Harry Potter books to children. Penryn Fire Police Capt. Robert Fichthorn said the eight-member force voted unanimously to boycott the 20th running of the triathlon, scheduled for Sept. 7. ”I don’t feel right taking our children’s minds and teaching them (witchcraft),” Fichthorn said. ”As long as we don’t stand up, it won’t stop. It’s unfortunate that this is the way it has to be.”

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considered running, but paused to say: ~I wouldn’t be surprised if those cops were unexplainably turned into ~frogs….. Hmm, my best friend’s name is Ame, pronounced Ahmee.

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Hello. I had an ACL reconstruction last year, and find that my knee yells at me when I run too much (e.g., consecutive days, hard days, long days).  My knee coos when I cycle or swim. I am considering training on non- or low-impact machines one or maybe two days per week to reduce the stress, but I still want to do some run-specific training (my worst event).  My question is, which machines most closely approximate running — which are more perfect substitutes for the real thing?  Eliptical runners?  Stairmasters?  Precor?  Body Trec? Please advise…. Cheers!

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I have been told by many people that there is no exact substitute for running (some claim that even a treadmill is a poor substitute).  I do, however, a lot of cross training in the winter.  Probably the two closest-to-running exercises I do are the Stairmaster and the ski machine.  Neither of these puts much stress on my knees.  I have also been told by many people that the elliptical trainer is a good no- impact substitute for running.  While different muscle groups are stressed in each of these exercises, whatever form you choose will assuredly train the most important muscle – your heart. Good luck with the knees. Kurt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I had an ACL reconstruction last year, and find that my knee yells at me when I run too much (e.g., consecutive days, hard days, long days). My knee coos when I cycle or swim. I am considering training on non- or low-impact machines one or maybe two days per week to reduce the stress, but I still want to do some run-specific training (my worst event).  My question is, which machines most closely approximate running — which are more perfect substitutes for the real thing?  Eliptical runners?  Stairmasters?  Precor?  Body Trec? Please advise…. Cheers!

– Kurt Estes http://kestes.homepage.com/Triathlon/tri_links.htm Before you buy.

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Did you try ( hate to say it) Paragon sports.  Also try Desoto sports web site and race ready web sites. Both have good stuff Ted

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Check out www.tri-zone.com  they have a good selection of racing gear.  Good luck!

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Okay, I’ve been trying to find someplace to buy a triathlon singlet. that has a fairly good selection.

If you’re up for web-ordering you might try http://www.transitionsports.com.  Tell Krag you’re expecting top notch service!  Put him through the paces… === Eric.com Pederson —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Okay, I’ve been trying to find someplace to buy a triathlon singlet.

Try  www.desotosport.com    Emilio makes the best Tri clothing on the planet.                Steve Fredericks                Oceanside, CA

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Okay, I’ve been trying to find someplace to buy a triathlon singlet. You know, like a running singlet, but tighter fit, shorter and with a pocket (or pockets) in the back.  I’m now looking for a suggestion on where to buy one in NYC (preferrable Manhattan) or just a web-site that has a fairly good selection.   Thanks in advance, Walter R. Strapps

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only 10 days to Lanzarote and i am under a little Stress. Who else is doing this race         A little stress! I have no fingernails left… Man, that course sure is ugly…

We’ll be waiting for race reports, keep those fingers healthy. The landscape of Lanzarote is supposed to be breathtaking, enjoy it!

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only 10 days to Lanzarote and i am under a little Stress. Who else is doing this race         A little stress! I have no fingernails left… Man, that course sure is ugly… Is it to late to back out now?!

Well as I’ve just got back from a wonderful week of training there I do wish you all the *very* best! FWIW I would spend the 30 seconds or so putting on bike gloves, those roads are really quite bumpy. Also it can get very hot around noon even though the mornings are just perfect. Steve

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only 10 days to Lanzarote and i am under a little Stress. Who else is doing this race

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only 10 days to Lanzarote and i am under a little Stress. Who else is doing this race

I’ll be there.  And yes, I’m a little stressed, too.  I’ve had a copy of the bike course profile tacked up over my desk for several months now, and it’s finally sinking in that I’m going to ride that evil looking thing.  This is going to fun. Good luck, and hope to see you there, Tellus Venture Associates "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win."  R.A.H.

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only 10 days to Lanzarote and i am under a little Stress. Who else is doing this race

        A little stress! I have no fingernails left… Man, that course sure is ugly… Is it to late to back out now?! David Barclay Ironman Lanzarote 1999 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Ancient Mariner Aquatics, Inc. is pleased to announce the publication of the Waterproof Coach, a waterproof swimming workout book for triathletes and fitness swimmers.  The workout pages are cut into three sections allowing the triathlete to mix and match different parts of workouts.   The book may be configured into over 6,700 different workouts!  The book sells for $29.95 plus $3.95 for shipping. Ancient Mariner Aquatics, Inc. 4522 Everett Street Kensington, MD  20895 301-564-4234 http://www.sandglass.com/waterproofcoach A 20 percent discount is offered to all who respond by e-mail by April 15, 1997.

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This is a great book.  It has many workouts for a variety of different skill levels and distances.  I recommend it!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ancient Mariner Aquatics, Inc. is pleased to announce the publication of the Waterproof Coach, a waterproof swimming workout book for triathletes and fitness swimmers.  The workout pages are cut into three sections allowing the triathlete to mix and match different parts of workouts. The book may be configured into over 6,700 different workouts!  The book sells for $29.95 plus $3.95 for shipping. Ancient Mariner Aquatics, Inc. 4522 Everett Street Kensington, MD  20895 301-564-4234 http://www.sandglass.com/waterproofcoach A 20 percent discount is offered to all who respond by e-mail by April 15, 1997.

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Dear Triathletes, … beach to practice open water training.  Alec Rukosuev is a fantastic swimmer ( 1989 Swim Champ of Russia; 1993,94,95 Panama City Half Ironman 1994, 2nd in 1995) and supervising the swimming.  His wife, Lera Rukosuev, the 1989 USSR Swimming Champ, will also be coaching.  Bill

This really has nothing to do with anything except personal curiosity. What event(s) exactly were Alec and Lera Rukosuev "Swim Champ"s in? Just curious, myke — Tellmesomethingidontknowtellmesomethingicanusepushthebuttonconnectthegoddam ndots

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Dear Triathletes, Here’s some info on our camps. The camps will be held at Vacation Village in Clermont, Florida (15 miles west of Orlando), site of the Great Floridian Triathlon, The Florida Challenge Tri and others. The dates are April 5,6,7, 1996 and May 31, June1,2, 1996.   Jeff Cuddeback (MA in Exercise Physiology and Industrial Psychology) is coordinating the training (407-788-7030) so give him a call for any specifics.  Jeff believes in training quality over quantity;  people he’s coached in the past have improved their times with shorter training hours.  Jeff is a 35-39 age grouper who is the 1994 U.S. Champ, the 1993 U.S., World, Ironman Champion, and the 1992 Overall U.S. Champ.  The camp is aimed at age-groupers who want to improve their times and enjoyment of the sport.   The camp is designed to have people share ideas, so everyone benefits.   We’ll start the day with a short run, have breakfast, and then start the training.  Besides the 25 meter pool, there is a beautiful lake and beach to practice open water training.  Alec Rukosuev is a fantastic swimmer ( 1989 Swim Champ of Russia; 1993,94,95 Panama City Half Ironman Winner; 1993 Disney Marathon 2:21 Winner; 1st out of the water Hawaii 1994, 2nd in 1995) and supervising the swimming.  His wife, Lera Rukosuev, the 1989 USSR Swimming Champ, will also be coaching.  Bill Keith of Cannondale will also join in for cycle coaching: however Jeff’s average speed for Hawaii in 1993 was 23mph so he knows biking also.  Jim Ward, the 75+ age group phenom will be coaching also.  Jim has 6 World and 12 U.S. Championships under his belt, including 1995 Worlds and 2 Hawaii Ironman wins. The cost is $349 which includes 3 nights lodging and breakfast and lunch each day and a Saturday nite party; we request a $100 deposit to hold a spot, which is refundable up to 1 month before the camp. The price goes up to $399 on March 5 for the first camp.   Hope to see you there.  We’ll be sending out questioneres to all who have signed up soon.  E-mail me or Call 407-884-5008 for any other info. JOLF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon p.s.  Anyone ever ask about some sort of computer chip or beeperthat could be used to enforce the drafting rules.           Yes  it already exists . It’s a radar chip and  is beingused on test on Toyota cars to detect people and objects at a certain distance which is pre-programmed. It could be used in every bike(when the manufacturing costs go down , of course)

—— interesting idea, but I doubt the cost would EVER drop below $100, and I don’t know how many people would volunteer to spring for the cost, and add ??? more weight to a bike. There would also be the situations at transitions, or if you pull around someone where you would be temporarily less than x feet behind someone (legally). It might be cheaper for riders that were concerned about it to have a rear-mounted camera, and snap a picture of the offender sucking your wheel?! It would be cheap to mount up one of those little box cameras behind your seat and turn them in after a race if you wanted to. Dan

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I agree with everything you say and would like to add a couple more points.  Where I am in Australia the only triathlon we see is highlights packages produced and broadcast after the event has been run.  Other than a reduced cost of production as you explained i cannot see how the issue of drafting should affect the production of a television program.  For example the ironman video this year, which was produced  for a non triathlet audience, which is the type of coverage I imagine PSE will be producing was a very entertaining report on a draft legal race.   I fear the influence of triathlon may force the sport to adopt a format similar to that of the Triathlon Grand Prix where races are draft legal over very short multi loop courses.  By short I mean typically 2km cycle circuits and 1 km run loops.   Whilst entertaining it is not I believe in the spirit of the sport.   Nick Somes

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p.s.  Anyone ever ask about some sort of computer chip or beeper that could be used to enforce the drafting rules.  

         Yes  it already exists . It’s a radar chip and  is being used on test on Toyota cars to detect people and objects at a certain distance which is pre-programmed. It could be used in every bike (when the manufacturing costs go down , of course) and an alarm would advise marshalls or whatever device to detect drafting. Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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writes: So stand up and call, fax, or E-mail PSE and tell their program director or stations that broadcast ITU races that drafting races are boring and you will not watch them No problem, what is their address?

Letters and petitions should be addressed to: Paul Morgan Pacific Sports Entertainment P.O. Box 7047 Riverside Centre 123 Eagle Street Brisbane, Qld. 4000 Australia or fax —  61-7 3839-0041. — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

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If you aren’t getting the mens results, check Triathlete Magazines website, since that’s   where I got these results.   National City Triathlon Pro Results August 13, 1995 1.5k Swim, 40k, Bike, 10k Run ELITE MEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Leandro Macedo               BRA                     1:55:06 2. Alex Rukosuev                USA                     1:55:21 3. Tony DeBoom                  USA                     1:56:01 4. Nate Llerandi                USA                     1:56:21 5. Takumi Obara                 JAP                     1:56:41 6. Andrew Kelsey                USA                     1:56:47 7. Tim DeBoom                   USA                     1:57:20 8. Cameron Brown                NZL                     1:58:21 9. Leonardo Casadio             BRA                     1:58:21 10. Luiz Catta Preta            BRA                     1:58:30 11. Jose Zepeda Hurtado         MEX                     1:58:37 12. Andrew Macmartin            CAN                     1:58:45 13. Greg Bennett                AUS                     1:59:31 14. Javier Rosas                MEX                     1:59:56 15. Emerson Gomes               BRA                     2:00:13 ELITE WOMEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Emma Carney                  AUS                     1:58:50 2. Isabelle Mouthon             FRA                     1:59:51 3. Carol Montgomery             CAN                     2:00:22 4. Juliana Nievergelt           USA                     2:03:22 5. Joy Leutner                  USA                     2:03:43 6. Gail Laurence                USA                     2:04:46 7. Sophie Delemer               FRA                     2:04:46 8. Kristie Otto                 CAN                     2:05:35 9. Fernanda Keller              BRA                     2:05:51 10. Kathy Stetz                 USA                     2:06:04 11. Carolyn Hubbard             CAN                     2:07:35 12. Clare Carney                AUS                     2:08:20 13. Donna Peters                USA                     2:08:26 14. Carmen Ochoa                MEX                     2:08:28 15. Marcia Ferreira             BRA                     2:13:43 —

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National City Triathlon Pro Results August 13, 1995 1.5k Swim, 40k, Bike, 10k Run ELITE MEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Leandro Macedo               BRA                     1:55:06 2. Alex Rukosuev                USA                     1:55:21 3. Tony DeBoom                  USA                     1:56:01 4. Nate Llerandi                USA                     1:56:21 5. Takumi Obara                 JAP                     1:56:41 6. Andrew Kelsey                USA                     1:56:47 7. Tim DeBoom                   USA                     1:57:20 8. Cameron Brown                NZL                     1:58:21 9. Leonardo Casadio             BRA                     1:58:21 10. Luiz Catta Preta            BRA                     1:58:30 11. Jose Zepeda Hurtado         MEX                     1:58:37 12. Andrew Macmartin            CAN                     1:58:45 13. Greg Bennett                AUS                     1:59:31 14. Javier Rosas                MEX                     1:59:56 15. Emerson Gomes               BRA                     2:00:13 ELITE WOMEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Emma Carney                  AUS                     1:58:50 2. Isabelle Mouthon             FRA                     1:59:51 3. Carol Montgomery             CAN                     2:00:22 4. Juliana Nievergelt           USA                     2:03:22 5. Joy Leutner                  USA                     2:03:43 6. Gail Laurence                USA                     2:04:46 7. Sophie Delemer               FRA                     2:04:46 8. Kristie Otto                 CAN                     2:05:35 9. Fernanda Keller              BRA                     2:05:51 10. Kathy Stetz                 USA                     2:06:04 11. Carolyn Hubbard             CAN                     2:07:35 12. Clare Carney                AUS                     2:08:20 13. Donna Peters                USA                     2:08:26 14. Carmen Ochoa                MEX                     2:08:28 15. Marcia Ferreira             BRA                     2:13:43

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For Sue Latshaw and others: Here are the professional results from the National City Bank Triathlon in Cleveland   along with some personal experiences and observations from the race. Approximately 17 pro’s dropped out of the race due mostly to the 93+ degree   temperature and the 80+% humidity.  The women started at 10:15 am and the men   didn’t start until almost 12:00 pm.  I didn’t get to see much of the women’s race   because they delayed the men’s start so long and I already had a seat by the water. The criterium nature of the pro race of the previous two years was extended to the   swim where competitors did 4 loops on a rectangular course in the inner harbor in   front of the new Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame.  It made the swim more exciting from a   spectators point of view: I was sitting about 10-20 ft. from the water.  Each pro had   their race number clearly marked on their swim cap and I could easily keep track of   who was leading and could also analyze everybodies swim form.  You would be   amazed at how some of the male pros swim.  I saw one person doing a scissor kick   like you would do if you were side stroking on a 1 beat per two stroke rhythm.  The   pro with the best 3 beat kick was way back in the field.  A lot of the men do not lift   there elbows, there hands enter very forcefully with arms virtually straight, and they   look up A LOT.  Despite their non-textbook form, they were moving very fast and their   upperbodies were pretty high in the water.  Nate Llerandi told me that having to make   15 turns was a real pain and it helped to keep the field close together. One may notice that Leandro’s time and Emma’ time are very close together.  I   overheard someone say that the men did 18 laps on the bike instead of 16.  I think they   probably did only one extra lap because after 12 laps or so the chase pack caught the   lead pack creating a peloton of over 20 riders and they seemed to slow down quite a   bit.  Nonetheless, someone screwed up.  At the bike to run transition, each rider had   to come to a complete stop before the bike prime line and transverse up a 6" cement   curb.  With 500 bucks on the line and a pack of 20 riders coming in, we figured we   were in for a major peloton catastrophie (the medics were close by).  However, the   only damage was to one pros bike which swung out and hit metal pole as he ran into   the transition area.  Brad Bevin had a transition of about 1 sec it seemed and was out   on the run first looking very good.  He ended up dropping out after about 1 lap of the   4 because of dizziness.  Hamish Carter didn’t start the race, but was in his swim suit   before the start – not sure why he sat it out.  Chuckie V was at the expo but didn’t race   either. At the end of the race, most of the men sat under two sprinkler hoses attached to a   ladder to make a nice shower.  Most sat there for at least 15 minutes while the espn   host interviewed some of them (the ones who spoke english).  One finisher was next   to a bucket puking (I won’t mention his name).  It made for a pretty funny scene and I   hope my picture from it turn out. The top two US men and women qualified for the world championship team.  Both   Nate and Gail were a little disappointed that they did not qualify, but they plan on   qualifying in Michigan this weekend. August 13, 1995 1.5k Swim, 40k, Bike, 10k Run ELITE MEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Leandro Macedo               BRA                     1:55:06 2. Alex Rukosuev                USA                     1:55:21 3. Tony DeBoom                  USA                     1:56:01 4. Nate Llerandi                USA                     1:56:21 5. Takumi Obara                 JAP                     1:56:41 6. Andrew Kelsey                USA                     1:56:47 7. Tim DeBoom                   USA                     1:57:20 8. Cameron Brown                NZL                     1:58:21 9. Leonardo Casadio             BRA                     1:58:21 10. Luiz Catta Preta            BRA                     1:58:30 11. Jose Zepeda Hurtado         MEX                     1:58:37 12. Andrew Macmartin            CAN                     1:58:45 13. Greg Bennett                AUS                     1:59:31 14. Javier Rosas                MEX                     1:59:56 15. Emerson Gomes               BRA                     2:00:13 ELITE WOMEN NAME                            COUNTRY                 TIME 1. Emma Carney                  AUS                     1:58:50 2. Isabelle Mouthon             FRA                     1:59:51 3. Carol Montgomery             CAN                     2:00:22 4. Juliana Nievergelt           USA                     2:03:22 5. Joy Leutner                  USA                     2:03:43 6. Gail Laurence                USA                     2:04:46 7. Sophie Delemer               FRA                     2:04:46 8. Kristie Otto                 CAN                     2:05:35 9. Fernanda Keller              BRA                     2:05:51 10. Kathy Stetz                 USA                     2:06:04 11. Carolyn Hubbard             CAN                     2:07:35 12. Clare Carney                AUS                     2:08:20 13. Donna Peters                USA                     2:08:26 14. Carmen Ochoa                MEX                     2:08:28 15. Marcia Ferreira             BRA                     2:13:43 —

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From earlier posts: : I decided to give massage therapy a try and my therapist said I had : "trigger-points" in all my leg muscle groups, which he described as being : areas where the muscle fibres are in a permanently contracted state due to : previous injuries. : I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries : books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading : this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. I think I’ve seen the term in literature associated with rolfing.

 Trigger points are the accumulation of toxins and waste products that build up in  the muscle tissue and form nodules that attach to the muscle fibers as a result of  exertion.  This shortens the muscle fibers cutting of the blood supply creating  a noncompliant situation (painful stiffness) in the muscle.  Massage is the number one way to get rid of these, especially if done within the  first two hours of the workout.  This massage can be done by a therapist (mucho $),  by self (mucho inconvenient), or by use of a massage aid like The Stick (ah..$40  I think).  I’ve tried #1 a bit, #2 a lot, and exclusively use #3 now.  Kenneth S. Manning, Ph.D.

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The important clinical relationship with trigger points is that they may cause referred pain (pain in another area other than where the trigger point is located) and/or dysfunction (such as the muscle not working properly which may lead to the joint not working right). Philip Maffetone

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From earlier posts: : I decided to give massage therapy a try and my therapist said I had : "trigger-points" in all my leg muscle groups, which he described as being : areas where the muscle fibres are in a permanently contracted state due to : previous injuries. : I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries : books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading : this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. I think I’ve seen the term in literature associated with rolfing.

Trigger points are the accumulation of toxins and waste products that build up in the muscle tissue and form nodules that attach to the muscle fibers as a result of exertion.  This shortens the muscle fibers cutting of the blood supply creating a noncompliant situation (painful stiffness) in the muscle. Massage is the number one way to get rid of these, especially if done within the first two hours of the workout.  This massage can be done by a therapist (mucho $), by self (mucho inconvenient), or by use of a massage aid like The Stick (ah..$40 I think).  I’ve tried #1 a bit, #2 a lot, and exclusively use #3 now. Kenneth S. Manning, Ph.D.

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| : I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries | : books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading | : this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. | | I think I’ve seen the term in literature associated with rolfing. So the trigger point is the drink that causes you to rolf? — Ray Charbonneau    |  Don’t you know you shouldn’t do that? MIT Library Systems|  Don’t you know you’ll stain the carpet?  *Disclaimer? Why?*|             BOSTON IN ‘96!

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| : I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries | : books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading | : this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. | | I think I’ve seen the term in literature associated with rolfing.

Trigger points are hyperirritable bands of muscle fibres that can be sources of pain. The most comprehensive description of them is in the two-volume set called "Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction-The Trigger Point Manual" Volume I – The Upper Extremities – ISBN 0-683-08366-X Volume II – The Lower Extremities – ISBN 0-683-08367-8 Your library may be able to get them for you if you give them the ISBN number. The books are probably about $90 each. —

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I’ve been having ‘delayed onset muscle soreness’ type injuries to my quads over a number of years now, mostly from running, sometimes from downhill hiking. Its the sort of pain that doesn’t occur during exercise, but peaks 24-48 hours afterwards. I’d read that these types of injuries cause changes in the muscle tissue that leave it inflexible and more susceptible to future injury, and that massage therapy is useful for recovery from it. I decided to give massage therapy a try and my therapist said I had "trigger-points" in all my leg muscle groups, which he described as being areas where the muscle fibres are in a permanently contracted state due to previous injuries. I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. TIA —

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I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback.

I deferred this question to my wife. Todd Jensen                                   o AT&T Bell Labs              ___^o_    __o    <| Naperville, IL                      _ <_    _ Trigger points are hyperirritable spots, usually within a taut band of skeletal muscle or fascia.  (Fascia is the fibrous membrane covering that supports and separates muscles.)  Tigger points are painful on compression and can make you feel referred pain and tenderness in other parts of your body.  They are considered active when they cause pain without being stimulated.  Active trigger points can restrict motion and cause muscle weakness.  They can also cause protective muscle spasms, which sounds like what you are describing as contractions.  Release of a primary trigger point, that is the one that is the main cause of any associated trigger points, can result in lasting relief.   They can be treated by massage, ultrasound, heat, cold, and other therapies. In my spare time as a Triathlete I am attending Physical Therapy school, so it was fun to realize that some of what I am learning does have value. 8^) Lauren E. Jensen

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: I decided to give massage therapy a try and my therapist said I had : "trigger-points" in all my leg muscle groups, which he described as being : areas where the muscle fibres are in a permanently contracted state due to : previous injuries. : I’ve looked for the term trigger-points in massage books and sports injuries : books but haven’t been able to find it – if any massage therapists are reading : this or if you’ve experienced something similar, I’d appreciate your feedback. I think I’ve seen the term in literature associated with rolfing. cheers, scott smay

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I’ve got a couple equipment questions. 1.  What is considered a safe speed for driving with two bikes on a     fork-mounted Yakima rack?  I drive a Chevrolet Beretta GTU and the     rack was installed by a certified dealer.  I lost a front wheel     off the rack once, going 55 mph with a strong cross wind.(The wheel     bouced off my rear spoiler then rolled for about 300 yards.  Tough     wheel, It wasn’t even out of true.)   Well I realize the schewer(sp?)     wasn’t tight enough, but it has made me very paranoid.  I’ve been     doing a lot of interstate highway driving and some of the roads are     a bit rough.  Is that safe?  Also, what is the best method for     locking the bikes to the rack? 2.  I wanted opinions on which was the best indoor bike trainer.  I have     seen the fans, magnetic resistance?, and rollers in the Nashbar,     Performance, etc.  I would like something that is relatively quiet,     not too expensive, and sturdy.   I would appreciate any advice you can give me.  Thanks,                                                  Alan May                                     Fightin’ Texas Aggie Triathlon Team Keywords:

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[....] 2.  I wanted opinions on which was the best indoor bike trainer.  I have    seen the fans, magnetic resistance?, and rollers in the Nashbar,    Performance, etc.  I would like something that is relatively quiet,    not too expensive, and sturdy.  

IMHO, rollers are by far the best indoor trainer.  They improve your spin and your bike handling.  They are less boring than a training stand (but still boring).  You can get a good workout if you use a resistance device.  The mag units are far quieter.   Rollers take a little work to master.  You should be able to ride them the first day but it will take a couple of weeks of regular use before you’re comfortable.  Set them up in a narrow hallway (which is ideal) or a doorway so that if you execute an "unexpected departure", you won’t fall over. Dave LaPorte U. Minn.

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I think the mag trainers are best. Quiet, simple to use, low cost. The small ones (rear wheel only) a portable but I like the front fork lock ones the best for home use. You can stay in great shape using a trainer. Wonder if this is why East Coast traithletes are so good?

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