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Am contemplating investing in a De Soto T1 Tri-suit, but have seen some ads for some radical Zoot suits as well. Question is, does anyone have any feedback about either suits?  Good or bad? Worth the investment? BTW – Live in the tropics, so the only use for it would be for wear and swim… Thanks in advance, Flip

You will not be dissapointed with the DeSoto suit… First Rate stuff! Sam www.sambean.com

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I love my DeSoto suit.  Don’t get the gray one though… James

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am contemplating investing in a De Soto T1 Tri-suit, but have seen some ads for some radical Zoot suits as well. Question is, does anyone have any feedback about either suits?  Good or bad? Worth the investment? BTW – Live in the tropics, so the only use for it would be for wear and swim… Thanks in advance, Flip

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There is no other option. . . go with De Soto.   Best tri-clothing on the planet.  I used it for a half-ironman, 3 sprints, 2 olympics and a marathon last season and it still performs as new. Jim Porco Dublin, Ohio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am contemplating investing in a De Soto T1 Tri-suit, but have seen some ads for some radical Zoot suits as well. Question is, does anyone have any feedback about either suits?  Good or bad? Worth the investment? BTW – Live in the tropics, so the only use for it would be for wear and swim… Thanks in advance, Flip

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Am contemplating investing in a De Soto T1 Tri-suit, but have seen some ads for some radical Zoot suits as well. Question is, does anyone have any feedback about either suits?  Good or bad? Worth the investment? BTW – Live in the tropics, so the only use for it would be for wear and swim… Thanks in advance, Flip

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    I really don’t the full history of the triathlon except was told from watching ABC sports.  If the Ironman was the first, then shouldn’t standard model should be based off this.  If it wasn’t, the base it off of that.  Wouldn’t that make some sense or am I just blowing smoke?  Of course this would still allow any organization to design thier triathlon any way they see fit.

One thing about tri’s is that the organizers are constrained by the local geography. The Tinman Tri in Topeka, Kansas, is something like 1100 yards/19.5 miles/7 miles. The bike portion is on local roads, and what with getting to the roads from the lake and so on they probably just got as close to 20 miles as possible. The run portion circles the lake and thus can’t be any other distance without a less desirable out-and-back. That particular race is 20 years old, meaning it pre-dates the Olympic standard of 1.5K/40K/10K. But to get those distances they’d probably have had to find another venue anyway, and the one where they have it now is quite good. So you want to organize a tri, you look at what’s available, and you go from there. If a "standard" distance isn’t available, you make do. Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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I started to question myself about why there wasn’t a "set standards" of distances in a triath.

Hoffman replies: 1 word:  LOGISTICS. It’s too hard in many cases to organize events with specific distances.  Getting exact distances is hard enough for the people who manage running races, because you have to find complicated ways to route the race so that it starts and finishes at a set point; often easier said than done. When you then try to add swimming and biking to the mix, you then raise your headache problems to the sixth power. I am always a bit annoyed when I go to a triathlon or duathlon and I find that the stated 12 mile bike leg was actually 11.2 or 13.5, and the 2 mile run ends up being 2.5 miles… but it’s understandable that the logistics are hard to work out..    I only wish that the race coordinators would be thruthful and put accurate distances on the applications or on the final result sheet… so that people can do the math and figure out exactly how long it took to do each event. Lastly, running and triathlons are not really the same thing… if you want to get into the POLITICS of it.  In running, you have a nice world where everyone (runners and organizers) voluntarily choose set distances which are popular (i.e. 1 mile, 5km, 5 mile, 10km, etc..). However, triathlons, much like biking is an event which is dominated by power-mongering egomaniancs who’s job it is to run organizations such as USCF (part of USA Cycling) and USAT (USA Triathlon).   The last thing we need is to let these power-mongers have even more power by letting them choose distances which will then become "official distances" and race organizers then loose their freedom to choose how long they want the event to be…  Any event which is not the "official distance" wont be allowed to be sactioned. These organizations are widely known to be meccas of controversy with power struggles between the various members who all want the organization and the events to be run their way, and only their way. Anyone whos into biking knows how the USCF has been bickering for the last decade and no good has come of it.

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Lastly, running and triathlons are not really the same thing… if you want to get into the POLITICS of it.  In running, you have a nice world where everyone (runners and organizers) voluntarily choose set distances which are popular (i.e. 1 mile, 5km, 5 mile, 10km, etc..).

Oh definitely running and triathlons are not the same thing. The tactics used running races and tri races are certainly different, and so is the training. C

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Triathletes are pretty use to 1.5, 40, 10.

Well instead of having someone swim .523490234 miles, bike 29.323490 miles, and run 7.2341123 to keep with tradition, why not swim a half, bike 23 or whatever, and run a 10k?  These are distances people are used to. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      In other discussions, the question of triathlons came up, regarding distances and the public’s perceptions.  In the examples that were given, I started to question myself about why there wasn’t a "set standards" of distances in a triath.  I mean, when people think of marathons, they think of 26.2 miles.  When the public thinks of triathlon, they think of the Ironman in Hawaii.  Doing some simple calculations, I found the ratio of swimming:biking:running of an Ironman triathlon were 1:46.67:10.92. Example.  swim 1/2 mile, bike 23.3 mile, run 5.46 miles.      I really don’t the full history of the triathlon except was told from watching ABC sports.  If the Ironman was the first, then shouldn’t standard model should be based off this.  If it wasn’t, the base it off of that.  Wouldn’t that make some sense or am I just blowing smoke?  Of course this would still allow any organization to design thier triathlon any way they see fit. — – Steve Burstall Junius, Aprilis, Sept

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Thats what the whole of Australia is asking. We even contacted our local MP and asked them if they could get more info. All we got was that all tickets had been sold, i did however get an offer to buy tickets at $200.00Aud each, original prices was $64.00Aud ea., from a travel agent in Sydney who aparently got them through other ’sources’ ! The whole Sydney Olympics is a big scam to most people in our region. Lloyd — Curloo Bicycles web:          http://www.curloo.com                   http://www.deewal.com associate:  http://www.elitebicycles.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tried to buy some Olympic Triathlon tickets recently and discovered that the Canadian Olympic Association was allocated a grand total of THREE (3) tickets for the women’s event and NONE for the men’s. Where have all the tickets gone? Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Think that is a rip off…get this, you could sign up for about a weeks worth of Olympic spender through the USAT’s travel agent for something over $12,000 US (if you sign up early – I think it went up to $15,000 after Jan – Feb).  And, this doesn’t include tickets to any Olympic event. Nor, any guarantee of getting tickets.  I put my name in the ticket lottery back in November.  Haven’t got a reply yet (heavy sigh).  I don’t remember the details, I threw away this USAT travel package "deal".  If I go, I decided that I will stay in a New Zealand or Perth and fly in/out every day and save money.  If I don’t get tickets…well, I could probably lease a helicopter for a day to view the Triathlon – by then, the helicopter might cost about the same as the ticket cost.  Ah well, there is always TV (another heavy sigh) Joe "meer tri-mortal finding Olympic = rip-off" Moya – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tried to buy some Olympic Triathlon tickets recently and discovered that the Canadian Olympic Association was allocated a grand total of THREE (3) tickets for the women’s event and NONE for the men’s. Where have all the tickets gone? Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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Atlanta ain’t looking so bad when compared to this fiasco…….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well… the cynic in me (what me??) would say that the aim was to make it more tv friendly — ‘cos that’s the only way anyone was ever likely to be able to view it. Olympic Tickets is a scam — all of Australia is asking "what happened??" — MB. Does anyone beside me see the irony in this, considering how the ITU has been telling us that the changes made to triathlon for the Olympics were necessary to make it more spectator-friendly for the non-athletic masses?

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Ken, I can tell you from my experience getting tickets in Atlanta, we saw everything we wanted to. The deal is that tickets are allotted to sponsors, govt., etc and then sometime closer to the event those tickets are put back in the pool of available tickets.

Due to the lottery system back in ‘96 I was only able to pre-purchase a single track cycling ticket for Atlanta.  Once I was down there getting tickets was absolutely no problem.  In fact they were actually GIVING away tickets to swimming trials if you got there early enough. (Some corporation had hundreds left over, so they gave some out and the box office sold the rest). Of course all the best seats (for VIPs) were still empty for both swimming & track cycling (velodrome attendance was disgusting – 1/2 the venue was empty seats even though it was "sold out"). SO I imagine there will be a similar scenerio in Australia (though it is more comforting to be able to prepurchase). -hug Before you buy.

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Hmmm!  So, the plan is to… … fly half way around the world … … and prepare to pay about $1,500 a night … … on an chance that the tickets will be available.  With a deal like that how can you go wrong? Where do I sign up Joe Moya   … asking the "REAL" question?  DO YOU GET A T-SHIRT? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, I can tell you from my experience getting tickets in Atlanta, we saw everything we wanted to. The deal is that tickets are allotted to sponsors, govt., etc and then sometime closer to the event those tickets are put back in the pool of available tickets. I just kept watching the web site and eventually even the best seats to the best events (including opening and closing ceremonies) became available. They were not cheap. I think we paid $260 each to see the final night of Track and Field. (Athletics) We also participated in the lottery but only got a couple of tickets that way. I ended up spending about $1800 on tickets which I parceled out to friends and family who wanted to go. Good luck. Wendy "persistant as always" in St. Pete Beach

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$260 USD that’s about $400 Aud. If you could get a seat within a mile of the Sydney stadium for that much money you would be in luck. I think the Sydney Olympics will be the end of this type of blatant crap. I cannot see the general public putting up with this again. Worst thing in all this is that the more money wasted on the 2 weeks of the Olympics there will be a lot less money for the athletes for the next 3 years. Just look at all the bike and clothing companies who all of a sudden jump up and sponsor Olympic athletes, then next year they get dumped and have to struggle again. Lloyd — Curloo Bicycles web:          http://www.curloo.com                   http://www.deewal.com associate:  http://www.elitebicycles.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, I can tell you from my experience getting tickets in Atlanta, we saw everything we wanted to. The deal is that tickets are allotted to sponsors, govt., etc and then sometime closer to the event those tickets are put back in the pool of available tickets. I just kept watching the web site and eventually even the best seats to the best events (including opening and closing ceremonies) became available. They were not cheap. I think we paid $260 each to see the final night of Track and Field. (Athletics) We also participated in the lottery but only got a couple of tickets that way. I ended up spending about $1800 on tickets which I parceled out to friends and family who wanted to go. Good luck. Wendy "persistant as always" in St. Pete Beach

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Does anyone beside me see the irony in this, considering how the ITU has been telling us that the changes made to triathlon for the Olympics were necessary to make it more spectator-friendly for the non-athletic masses?

Maybe they made a mistake when they typed "non-athletic masses". Maybe the "m" was not supposed to be there??? D.J. " I know— shut up and wipe my nose;-)"   (IRONKID) PPS    just to let someone know I learned something:)

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Where have all the tickets gone?

They were bought up and burned by age groupers angry at the ITU? <g

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I tried to buy some Olympic Triathlon tickets recently and discovered that the Canadian Olympic Association was allocated a grand total of THREE (3) tickets for the women’s event and NONE for the men’s. Where have all the tickets gone?

I don’t know what happened to all the public tickets, but the triathlon was designated as a "premier event" or whatever they call it. This means that there are a limited number of available tickets, and a large chunk of tickets alloted for the IOC, visiting dignitaries, heads of athletic unions, etc etc. John "Ad astra per aspera" "A rough road leads to the stars"    http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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I don’t know what happened to all the public tickets, but the triathlon was designated as a "premier event" or whatever they call it. This means that there are a limited number of available tickets, and a large chunk of tickets alloted for the IOC, visiting dignitaries, heads of athletic unions, etc etc.

Does anyone beside me see the irony in this, considering how the ITU has been telling us that the changes made to triathlon for the Olympics were necessary to make it more spectator-friendly for the non-athletic masses?

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Ken, I can tell you from my experience getting tickets in Atlanta, we saw everything we wanted to. The deal is that tickets are allotted to sponsors, govt., etc and then sometime closer to the event those tickets are put back in the pool of available tickets. I just kept watching the web site and eventually even the best seats to the best events (including opening and closing ceremonies) became available. They were not cheap. I think we paid $260 each to see the final night of Track and Field. (Athletics) We also participated in the lottery but only got a couple of tickets that way. I ended up spending about $1800 on tickets which I parceled out to friends and family who wanted to go. Good luck. Wendy "persistant as always" in St. Pete Beach

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I don’t know what happened to all the public tickets, but the triathlon was designated as a "premier event" or whatever they call it. This means that there are a limited number of available tickets, and a large chunk of tickets alloted for the IOC, visiting dignitaries, heads of athletic unions, etc etc. Does anyone beside me see the irony in this, considering how the ITU has been telling us that the changes made to triathlon for the Olympics were necessary to make it more spectator-friendly for the non-athletic masses?

There you go, thinking again.  Stop it! it’s unnatural.

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Well… the cynic in me (what me??) would say that the aim was to make it more tv friendly — ‘cos that’s the only way anyone was ever likely to be able to view it. Olympic Tickets is a scam — all of Australia is asking "what happened??" — MB. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone beside me see the irony in this, considering how the ITU has been telling us that the changes made to triathlon for the Olympics were necessary to make it more spectator-friendly for the non-athletic masses?

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i read recently that of the 3000 or something seats available in the grandstand for the triathlon, all of 30 were for sale to the public and the rest were given to media, dignitaries, and people with friends in high places. the olympics have so much potential but have become such a sham. -mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I tried to buy some Olympic Triathlon tickets recently and discovered that the Canadian Olympic Association was allocated a grand total of THREE (3) tickets for the women’s event and NONE for the men’s. Where have all the tickets gone?

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My thoughts were that J. H****n used the money he would have otherwise had to buy Spinervals tapes with to insted purchase all of the tickets, in an effort to further peeve the triathletes who he desperately does not want to be like. — Don’t tax the NET! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/petition/dont_tax_internet.php3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where have all the tickets gone? They were bought up and burned by age groupers angry at the ITU? <g

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I tried to buy some Olympic Triathlon tickets recently and discovered that the Canadian Olympic Association was allocated a grand total of THREE (3) tickets for the women’s event and NONE for the men’s. Where have all the tickets gone? Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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I was wondering if anyone knew of when the Loggerhead Triathlon in Jupiter, FL is to take place? Last year it was on June 6th, conflicting with the Key West Swim, but I have not seen it appear in any schedules this year. Its a sprint with a 1/2 mile swim, about a 15 mile bike and a 5K run, for any interested. P. Dale Mason "Tri-harder, Tri-faster, Tri-again next week"

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I was wondering if anyone knew of when the Loggerhead Triathlon in Jupiter, FL is to take place? Last year it was on June 6th, conflicting with the Key West Swim, but I have not seen it appear in any schedules this year.

My KIds Just received their apps for The School’s Out Tri, which run with the Loggerhead. That race is Sunday June 7, which if it is like previous years, would make the Loggerhead June 6. And yes It’s a great race for a good cause. The awards are fantastic, custom made ceramicware. My daughter eats her breakfast almost every day from her’s ( A wonderful pottery bowl )… Al Kormesser

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Last weekend, me and other 10 people (one of them a girl) swam a 24 hour relay on a 25-meter pool. From noon saturday to noon sunday. Each one of us swam 500 meters and rested until the other 10 people swam their legs. The total distance was 97.700 km, at an approximate average of 1′28" each 100m. The worst part was sunday morning, since we didn’t have a lot of time to rest between swims (about 1hr20min), and it was hard to sleep, so we were so tired. I got into the water 18 times, and my best time was 7′18" at 9 o’clock sunday morning(!) Enrico Canali

And I   thought that the 24 hour relays that I did on the track were nuts!

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  <Some stuff variety: do every 8th length backstroke.  every 100 lengths,   throw in a 100m butterfly.  do lots of breaststroke so you   can talk to your companions.  put a radio underwater. Justen

Put a raido underwater????   Not coming from a strong background (I don’t even take long showers) Is this for real???  I’d love to put one in my YMCA pool.  Then I might swim in it.   –Eric,   I think it is time a came up with a Tri handle.

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It was a dark and stormy night, when Enrico Canali typed: Last weekend, me and other 10 people (one of them a girl) swam a 24 hour relay on a 25-meter pool. From noon saturday to noon sunday. Each one of

LOL.  Brings back memories of the old days… When I was 13, I did a 12 hour swim for our YMCA team swimathon.  We got pledges from people, usually a penny a lap, a swam to raise money.  The only breaks were to eat, use the restroom, and take a hot shower (even in a pool, you get incredibly cold after hours in the water at such a slow pace, especially as a scrawny 13-yo).  I only planned to swim 6 hours, but a 16-yo girl on the team persuaded me to stay and swim with her After 25,000 meters, I felt like a drowned otter.  My lips were blue, my eyes were red, my lungs ached… Advice for fellow fools… food: after 6 hours, cotton mouth makes lemon-lime gatorade the   subject of nightmares.  I agree with Enrico…  the saltier the   food, the better.  I subsisted on pizza, potato chips and mt dew   through the whole swim.  Ahh, the good old days of being a teenager.   Learn to balance a pop can on a kickboard for on the go refueling. towels: no matter how many you have, there won’t be enough.   Use a sammy.  Or the hand/hair dryers in the lockerroom. ventilation: open every door possible around the pool area.  The   limiting factor for our swim was lung pain after breathing   chlorinated air for so many hours.  By the end of the 12 hours,   we could inhale maybe 1/3 our normal capacity before the pain   forced us to cough uncontrollably. variety: do every 8th length backstroke.  every 100 lengths,   throw in a 100m butterfly.  do lots of breaststroke so you   can talk to your companions.  put a radio underwater. clothing: wear green or orange tint goggles.  they make you happy!   no dark tints.  wear a swimhat or shave your head.  if you shave   your head, draw on it. Justen

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Why did you do it?

That’s an awfully silly question to ask in this newsgroup.  I’m sure it is the same reason the rest of us challenge ourselves: 1.  To say we did it 2.  Sense of accomplishment 3.  Camaraderie (and/or competition) 4.  Continuous muscle soreness 5.  No social life 6.  To be more like Scott Tinley … Okay, maybe it wasn’t such a bad question — "The wrinkles only go where the smiles have been." — J. Buffett

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Last weekend, me and other 10 people (one of them a girl) swam a 24 hour relay on a 25-meter pool.

There is something very similar for runners.  10 runners per team. Each runner running 4 laps around a track (1mile).  If one runner drops out he is out for good and the remaining runners finish.  After your run you get to take care of the timing for your team, etc. I’ve tried to get a race going in past years in Los Alamos but have never had any takers.  One co-worker that did it at White Sands 15 years ago was on a team that ate yogurt, juice, etc and was soundly beaten by teams that partook of beer and pizza. Just  my $.02 worth – Lyle K

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Why did you do it?

Actually, there’s another reason….MONEY! Last year the UCSB Triathlon Team did a 24 hour swim-athon for some ridiculus number of days to earn money for travel, uniforms, race fees, etc. It was pretty tough though as the captain at the time, Jon Cotter, ended up swimming all those sets no one signed up for!  OUCH! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s an awfully silly question to ask in this newsgroup.  I’m sure it is the same reason the rest of us challenge ourselves: 1.  To say we did it 2.  Sense of accomplishment 3.  Camaraderie (and/or competition) 4.  Continuous muscle soreness 5.  No social life 6.  To be more like Scott Tinley …. Okay, maybe it wasn’t such a bad question — "The wrinkles only go where the smiles have been." — J. Buffett

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Last weekend, me and other 10 people (one of them a girl) swam a 24 hour relay on a 25-meter pool. From noon saturday to noon sunday. Each one of us swam 500 meters and rested until the other 10 people swam their legs. The total distance was 97.700 km, at an approximate average of 1′28" each 100m. The worst part was sunday morning, since we didn’t have a lot of time to rest between swims (about 1hr20min), and it was hard to sleep, so we were so tired. I got into the water 18 times, and my best time was 7′18" at 9 o’clock sunday morning(!) For those of you who want to do this kind of crazy relay, here are my suggestions: 1-Take at least 3 towels; 2-Start slow; 3-Take salty foods (after midnight, I couldn’t stand even seeing yogurts and energy bars); 4-No matter how warm the water is, always warm up (I think 28 degrees Celsius is probably the best); 5-Always cool down about 100m — that’ll allow you to feel good the next time you swim; 6-Take something to read or to listen to; 7-Even if you can’t sleep, try to lay down and rest betwwen swims; 8-During your swims, start at about 100% and gradually increase your pace (just kidding!) 9-Don’t be afraid to do it, it’s really rewarding! Enrico Canali

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<details of 24-hour swim relay deleted Wow.  You have got to be kidding. Oh, and you are out of your mind!  24 hours of swimming.   You must have had "black-line" fever when you were done. (Nice job!) -Rolf — Some call me Rolf…                             I tri…                                                  Looking to 1997…  IMC ‘94 – 14:06:47    IMC ‘95 – 11:58:35        IMC ‘97 – 10:45:00

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Why did you do it?

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Last weekend, me and other 10 people (one of them a girl) swam a 24 hour relay on a 25-meter pool. From noon saturday to noon sunday. Each one of us swam 500 meters and rested until the other 10 people swam their legs. The total distance was 97.700 km, at an approximate average of 1′28" each 100m.

Enrico,     I think you posted this to the wrong newsgroup. This is rec.sport.triathlon.  In case you didn’t realize,  a triathlon is a sport where you dip yourself in the water for a very short amount of time and then bike and run for incredible distances. It has very little to do with swimming. I hope you folks got to wear wetsuits at least . John R.

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    Well folks, I did my last long run today in prep for Boston 100.  An easy 15 in 1:45, a pace that will probably be faster than I’ll need given the crowd expected. I did the 90th running 10 years ago and thought at the time it would be neat to make it to the 100th.  Can’t believe it’s here.     The discovery of what both running and triathlon can bring to a person has been the neatest part of the last decade.  I’ve been to so many great places, met so many nice people. I’ve been lucky…and I mean LUCKY, to hear the screams at Wellesley and the cheering on Allii Drive. The kids I teach think I’m cooler than what I really am because of it, and on those early training days you get to see the best sunrises ever.      It’s been a long, cold winter here in Sycamore, IL but it’s been worth it to take these bikers legs to Boston. All my best to everyone in their 1996 racing, Mark        

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       The discovery of what both running and triathlon can bring to a person     has been the neatest part of the last decade.  I’ve been to so many great     places, met so many nice people. I’ve been lucky…and I mean LUCKY, to     hear the screams at Wellesley and the cheering on Allii Drive. The kids I     teach think I’m cooler than what I really am because of it, and on those     early training days you get to see the best sunrises ever. I second the above comments:       There is the mateship during races which makes you forget the pain.     The cheering of the crowds at races, total strangers – gives me an extra     spring in my step.     Kids from the local school cheering me as I dash by on my lunch run.     It’s the wolf whistles that worry me, isn’t it supposed to be the     other way around?     The apologetic mums in their unsuccessful attempts to stop their 4-5 YO     kids giving me high fives as I pass them on my runs, their smiling faces     brimming with glee as only children’s can.  How can you refuse them that     simple pleasure?  I can only comply.     Meeting up with people I’d never have dreamed of from all over the world.     [I must improve my social skills ... I must improve my social skills ...]     Joking with race officials and volunteers at checkpoints and     resfreshment stations is my way of thanking them for their time.  So what     if it takes a little time to do so? The non-competitive interaction with those around me is probably why I enjoy running more than swimming and cycling. —   Woof!

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It’s great to hear others on RST voice the joy they get out of being part of this ‘culture’ of whatever it is (I hesitate to put a name to it, but I think you all know what I mean). I was sitting at breakfast yesterday after 35 mile bike ride with 5 of my tri/running friends, and just felt this stupid smile on my face, someone else noticing it and asking what on earth I was grinning at. My answer was that I simply felt so happy with my being around good friends with a common satisfaction with what we do together. Thanks to all of you, too. Cheers Barry By the way, good luck and have fun at Boston – this is one slowpoke who’ll be cheering you all from here.

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Greg, I posted a note here about ten days ago about twisting my ankle.  Well, I took  all the necessary steps (ice, elevation, rest) but it’s still sore.  I think staying off it won’t make much difference in speeding up recovery.   The only thing I would accomplish is losing stamina and endurance and feeling miserable.  So I’ve been jogging on it slowly.  You know your own body, how much it can stand.   Judy –

  I have also twisted my ankle one year ago, and for rushing things out I begin running with a relatively weak ankle. This brought as a consecuence an overstress on the fascia and I finished with cronic plantar fasciitis. Bernardo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Greg, I posted a note here about ten days ago about twisting my ankle.  Well, I took  all the necessary steps (ice, elevation, rest) but it’s still sore.  I think staying off it won’t make much difference in speeding up recovery.   The only thing I would accomplish is losing stamina and endurance and feeling miserable.  So I’ve been jogging on it slowly.  You know your own body, how much it can stand.   Judy –

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 I’m curious as to when to resume my running after spraining my ankle. Do you begin running as soon as you can endure the pain? Do you wait until all swelling has subsided? How long on average before one can resume running? I was playing basketball and came down on the side of someones foot. Xrays were taken. I know not to run if I’m still taking the pain killers. Thanks for any input. Greg — Gregory Beardsley, AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, AZ

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I’m curious as to when to resume my running after spraining my ankle. Do you begin running as soon as you can endure the pain? Do you wait until all swelling has subsided? How long on average before one can resume running? I was playing basketball and came down on the side of someones foot. Xrays were taken. I know not to run if I’m still taking the pain killers.

In my incredible stupidity once, in Feb. ‘93, just 5 weeks before a marathon that I was well-trained for (Napa Valley) I severely sprained my ankle playing basketball.  I have not played hoops since. The thing swelled a lot, was completely black & blue, and even chipped a bone or two as evidenced by the X-rays.  When I got off the cruise ship, and returned home I saw a sports med. podiatrist (Dr. Saxena) who prescribed physical therapy (BAPS board!).  The day before my planned marathon I finally did my first run after the injury, a very painful almost 2 miles, within 2 months I was almost back to normal, about 35 – 50 miles/week.  Everything is basically normal now. I ran the NVM in ‘94 instead. Best of Luck Greg! — Ken Papai, Marin County  <* "The truth is that the Runner is not made for

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AHHH!  I sprained my ankle almost three months ago, and I’m still having problems with it.   I can usually walk without much pain, and have been using a stationary bike, but as soon as I hop, jump, or even start to run on it, my ankle is extremely painful for the next few days.         The doctors that I’ve gone to haven’t been much help–they just say to keep resting it, iceing it..etc.  But after three months of resting, and not much progress, I’m beginning to get fed up!  Should it be taking this long?  Is there ANYTHING else I can do? What about surgery, or ultrasound for scar tissue?  I miss running!!!

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It took my right ankle pert near a year to heal up to the point I forgot I sprained it.  Sprains take forever to heal.   Try a health rider and just "throw the darn thing off" (your sprained ankle). Dale

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AHHH!  I sprained my ankle almost three months ago, and I’m still having problems with it.   I can usually walk without much pain, and have been using a stationary bike, but as soon as I hop, jump, or even start to run on it, my ankle is extremely painful for the next few days.    The doctors that I’ve gone to haven’t been much help–they just say to keep resting it, iceing it..etc.  But after three months of resting, and not much progress, I’m beginning to get fed up!  Should it be taking this long?  Is there ANYTHING else I can do? What about surgery, or ultrasound for scar tissue?  I miss running!!!

I feel for you.  I just sprained my ankle 4 weeks ago.  Luckily, it feels much better.  I immediately kept off it as much as possible, to the point of limping ridiculously.  I iced and heated often.  I started back with an easy running schedule 2 weeks after hurting it.  But I know how you must feel.  I really ached to go out on the road again. I hope you heal soon. Bri

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AHHH!  I sprained my ankle almost three months ago, and I’m still having problems with it.   I can usually walk without much pain, and have been using a stationary bike, but as soon as I hop, jump, or even start to run on it, my ankle is extremely painful for the next few days.        The doctors that I’ve gone to haven’t been much help–they just say to keep resting it, iceing it..etc.  But after three months of resting, and not much progress, I’m beginning to get fed up!  Should it be taking this long?  Is there ANYTHING else I can do? What about surgery, or ultrasound for scar tissue?  I miss running!!! There’s a procedure for shortening the ligaments called the Evans Procedure

and I know a couple of people with severe sprains that this has worked for. BUT, any surgical treatment has to be considered radical, and not without risks for doing further damage. Don’t forget that few doctor’s understand your need to run, as most of them believe that running can be very damaging to your health (and they’re mostly right, by the way). But, many Sports Medicine physicians understand your passion, and will cooperate with an agressive treatment of advanced physiotherapy, including alot of work for you to do at home. Balance board, latex tubing, stretching, etc. Lot’s of ice too, of course after each session. I have survived 4 sprains, 2 were 3rd degree sprains, and my physiotherapist had me doing rehab as soon as the swelling began to subside.Get yourself a** sports **physio, not regular one and they’ll have you running again after a few weeks. Bob Johnson Calgary, Alberta Canada

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Elizabeth M. Gebis writes: AHHH!  I sprained my ankle almost three months ago, and I’m still having problems with it.   I can usually walk without much pain, and have been using a stationary bike, but as soon as I hop, jump, or even start to run on it, my ankle is extremely painful for the next few days.    The doctors that I’ve gone to haven’t been much help–they just say to keep resting it, iceing it..etc.  But after three months of resting, and not much progress, I’m beginning to get fed up!  Should it be taking this long?  Is there ANYTHING else I can do? What about surgery, or ultrasound for scar tissue?  I miss running!!!

9 weeks ago today, I severly sprained my ankle in a softball game just 2 days after running Boston and I was also very upset not being able to run.  3rd deg sprain on both the inside and outside of my ankle plus a small calf muscle tear. I thought I had broken my ankle considering the amount of pain I was in. After 2 weeks, I started riding a stationary bike.  This seemed to help the healing process and kept up my aerobic fitness.  After 4 weeks, I ran a very slow mile.  I was in some pain and also hurt the next few days.  3 days later I ran 2 miles with the same result.  I continued to ride the stationary bike several times a week.  6 weeks after my accident, I ran a slow 6 miles and yesterday I ran a fast 4 miles (for me). What I’m saying is that I believe easy running and the stationary bike helped me get back earlier than complete rest.  If I ever felt unacceptable pain, I would stop running.  I continued the ice treatment for about 6 weeks.  My ankle is still weak and much larger than my unsprained ankle, but at least I can run and this weekend, I’m entered in a triathlon.  I can’t believe I got where I am in 9 weeks. —

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You will know that your heart rate is too slow when you get dizzy. 44 is not even uncommon in trained athletes.

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I think it’s the low pulse that causes my dizziness when I stand up.  It’s great to be fit!

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I’ve been running, on and off for 2 years, and taken it more seriously in the last few months, going out about 4 times a week for average of 40 min. I know very fit people can have a pulse as low as 50, but I’ve never heard of it being as low as 44 and I would not say I’m in that category. My resting pulse is consistently around 44-45. Does this indicate something is wrong somewhere? I am 31 years old and feel fit and healthy with no other problems (that I know of!). Les

My waking pulse rate is 42, when not overtrained, and I’m in my 50’s. Ray Mascia

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I know very fit people can have a pulse as low as 50, but I’ve never heard of it being as low as 44 and I would not say I’m in that category. My resting pulse is consistently around 44-45. Very fit distance athletes can have a resting pulse around 30-40. I know some marathon runners, whose resting pulse is less than 30. I am sure that you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

One more thing — caffeine matters.  That means you should take your pulse as soon as you open your eyes.  My resting pulse is around 38-43, but it’s up to 48-50 by the time I’m well into java land.  Also, resting heart rate is not *always* an indication of health and ahtleticism.  Some very good althletes have smaller faster beating hearts.  I went to college with someone who was in sports ilustrated’s ‘faces in the crowd’ as a teenager and was a very fine athlete; he had a resting pulse rate of 82. (See "the heart rate monitor book")    I’d probably be better off without the jah, but that’s a decision I’ll make when I become a master in a few years.  "Train hard, earn your vices."  bwp

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   Just a few more data points:  Miguel Indurain, who won the    Tour de France 3 or four times in a row has a resting heart    rate of 25 to 28 beats a minute.

Also Spencer Smith, the two-time Olympic triathlon champion, has resting heart rate of 33 (not quite up to par with Indurian, but hey, the kid is only 22, he will get it down below 30…. Kostya Vasilyev                    Symantec Corp. Development Tools Do not seek to follow                           swim-bike-run     in the footsteps of the wise;                  swim-bike-run Seek what they sought.                                swim-bike-run     — Basho

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The phone numbers are:  604-490-8787 Voice  604-490-9788 FAX And you’d better hurry, they have a 1,200 participant limit for the August 27th event…at last I heard, it is nearly full. See you there… AJ Calabrese

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I want to do the Candian Ironman this year but don’t have an entry form. Does any body know the number to call?

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I want to do the Candian Ironman this year but don’t have an entry form. Does any body know the number to call?

        rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/rec.sport.triathlon/ —

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Hello, I am in the need for a new sports watch and I am moving to the US in a few weeks time. This opens the question buy here or there ? So I thought that some kind soul could help me out and tell me the prices of TIMEX triathlon watches in the US. I am particularly interested in the TIMEX "Indilgo" (spelling ?) model, which is about DM 90.- here in Germany. I’d be grateful for a e-mail CC in addition to your followups because at the moment I am travelling and hence have limited news access. Thanks in advance for your help, MARKUS — MARKUS E. LAUTENBACHER,         | phone: +49/89/3209-2387 Technical University Munich,    | fax:   +49/89/32092296 Physics Dept.-Theo. Physics T31,| Internet:

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Retail for a 8 – 50 lap indiglo – about $42.00 – 50.00.  Discounted, expect to pay in the low to mid $30.00.

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