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For Sale:  Airborne Spectre Time Trial/Triathlon frame.  56 cm frame for 700c wheels.  This is a pre-production model that I have been able to race on this season.  I have about 1200 miles on it. It is in excellent condition.  See  http://www.airborne.net/eready/janette/Store/2001/products/spgeometry…  for geometry.  There are some differences between this frame and the current model.  This has a 1" head tube and a water bottle cage mount on the back of the  seat tube just above the seat stays.  It does not have the head tube nose cone or the fairing on the back of the  seat tube.  And it costs a lot less than the production model.  $600 obo Dia-Compe threadless headset (used) included.  Scott Spees

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Thanks.  It’s frustrating but I’m sure I will get back there sooner or later. Hopefully sooner……Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris, I’m sorry to hear that, please keep us updated. Bernard I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively. My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris

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It looks like I have what you had, and did it the same way, by running hard, actually  by sprinting. I’ll also do what you did, easy running and ice treatment. Hope it clears as quickly as it did with you. Thanks, Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time… Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively.  My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Chris, I’m sorry to hear that, please keep us updated. Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had pain in my hip for six months now, and have been unable to shake it.  I’ve done the NSAID’s, stretching and icing and rest extensively.  My pain is deep in the socket of the joint.  I’ve been running very sparingly during this whole time.  I am going back for one final visit two the orthopoedic my doctor referred me to, if he can’t help me this time.  I’m going to try an acupuncturist. Chris

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I might add that after my strain had healed, I began working the hip flexors at the gym–something I didn’t do before that (knee raises with a machine whose name I don’t know). It probably helped my running too since I can move my leg forward (or up if necessary) with less effort. Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It looks like I have what you had, and did it the same way, by running hard, actually  by sprinting. I’ll also do what you did, easy running and ice treatment. Hope it clears as quickly as it did with you. Thanks, Bernard I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time… Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Well, he’s an actual sports injury physician, so I’d go for it. Makes sense to me. I’d be extra careful of your cadence and push-off. Nice and easy, as he said. Maybe 5k – 8k at LSD pace a couple times a week? Hope to see you back it top form soon, Bernard. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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Thanks David.Yep, it looks like LSD pace for a while, at least i’ll be running. Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, he’s an actual sports injury physician, so I’d go for it. Makes sense to me. I’d be extra careful of your cadence and push-off. Nice and easy, as he said. Maybe 5k – 8k at LSD pace a couple times a week? Hope to see you back it top form soon, Bernard. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I had a hip flexors strain months ago that cause a pain right in the groin. It didn’t keep me from running but it got pretty annoying. Yours must be more serious… Did he do any manipulation on it (ART or whatever)? If you’re in the acute stage of the injury, it’s not advisable, hence the NSAID and easy running. BTW, how much do they charge there? (I should know, It’s my university!) In my case, my chiropractor did something (not ART) that released the tension gradually. Her pedestrian term (as opposed to scientific) for it was "pressure point". It basically falls in the category of cross-frictions, ART, etc. but with less pain while being done. This wasn’t part of my treatment; just something I told her because she knows I’m a runner and she’s a triathlete. Not to pooh-pooh the Carleton guy, but here’s the therapist I occasionally see (besides the chiro): Trevor Notenboom, RMT, Back to HEalth Chiropractic, 240 Catherine St., Suite 100, Ottawa, tel.: 613-237-3306. This guy has gotten me rid of all my little aches and pains. Good luck, Daniel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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To diagnose the injury he made me jump on the leg the injury is located on, he did all kinds of pulling, streching, made me rotate my hip ect. Easy running and streching is what he recommended for now, if the problem persists, I have to go for physio. Thanks for the contact, if it doesn’t work out, i’ll call your guy. Thanks, Bernard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a hip flexors strain months ago that cause a pain right in the groin. It didn’t keep me from running but it got pretty annoying. Yours must be more serious… Did he do any manipulation on it (ART or whatever)? If you’re in the acute stage of the injury, it’s not advisable, hence the NSAID and easy running. BTW, how much do they charge there? (I should know, It’s my university!) In my case, my chiropractor did something (not ART) that released the tension gradually. Her pedestrian term (as opposed to scientific) for it was "pressure point". It basically falls in the category of cross-frictions, ART, etc. but with less pain while being done. This wasn’t part of my treatment; just something I told her because she knows I’m a runner and she’s a triathlete. Not to pooh-pooh the Carleton guy, but here’s the therapist I occasionally see (besides the chiro): Trevor Notenboom, RMT, Back to HEalth Chiropractic, 240 Catherine St., Suite 100, Ottawa, tel.: 613-237-3306. This guy has gotten me rid of all my little aches and pains. Good luck, Daniel Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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I had a strained flexor back in late March… Did it while jammin’ a hard 400 workout… Felt a pop and a cramping sensation in my left hip and left groin area… It was stiff and sore as a big dog the next day… But, I didn’t miss any running… scaled back my speed work and just did a couple weeks of nothin’ but easy stuff.  Iced it (yeeeee-ow!!!!!!)  I was pleased with how quickly it cleared.  Be happy it wasn’t the groin injury you originally thought… Those take alotta time…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I saw a sports injury physician this morning at the Sports medicine clinic of Carleton university (Ottawa), he diagnosed me with a hip flexor strain. He put me on anti-inflammatory and he’s okayed me to run easily, no sprinting, no hill running, I was surprised, but he says it’s part of the re-hab process. Any thoughts? Bernard

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find out how long your pool is.  A mile is 5280 feet, 1760 yards, 0r 1600 meters.  That’s all you need to know.  Once you find out

1609.3m, to be precise.   — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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Once you find out how long your pool is, the rest requires only a pencil and paper.

Yes?  Then what?  Just kidding.  That was what I wanted to know… the conversion from miles to yards or meters.  Don’t seem to have a basic dictionary that lists that kind of stuff anymore… then it occurred to me that a yardstick was 3 feet long.  And I remembered that a mile was 5280 feet.  I think it may have been a momentary mathematical lapse.  Probably due to my anxiety that I would also have to convert to metric… Thanks, PG

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s a "length" up to one end of the pool and then back to where you started?  

a length is one end to the other.  a lap is back to where you started. E

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a length is one end to the other.  a lap is back to where you started.

E Oh good.  This doesn’t sound quite as far. PG

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My masters coach told me I should swim double the length. 1/2 mile is 35.2 lengths.

In YOUR pool!  Paula’s pool may be of a different length.  Paula, find out how long your pool is.  A mile is 5280 feet, 1760 yards, 0r 1600 meters.  That’s all you need to know.  Once you find out how long your pool is, the rest requires only a pencil and paper. Give a man a fish, and he eats today. Teach him to fish, and he eats for a lifetime.

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My masters coach told me I should swim double the length. 1/2 mile is

35.2 lengths. Is a "length" up to one end of the pool and then back to where you started?  Or is it just from one end to the other? PG

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I am doing a sprint triathlon with a 1/2 mile swim.  How far is this in the pool (standard YMCA indoor pool)?  And what is the longest distance I should swim to train for it? PG

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My masters coach told me I should swim double the length. 1/2 mile is 35.2 lengths. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am doing a sprint triathlon with a 1/2 mile swim.  How far is this in the pool (standard YMCA indoor pool)?  And what is the longest distance I should swim to train for it? PG

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A female friend is going to live in Sydney for 6 months and would like to know if there are any running clubs in the city. Does anyone have any links or information? Thanks Chris.

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Try this: http://www.sydneystriders.org.au/index.shtml. Ken A female friend is going to live in Sydney for 6 months and would like to know if there are any running clubs in the city. Does anyone have any links or information? Thanks Chris.

Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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My brother-in-law would never forgive me if I didn’t give his club a plug as he builds their web site as well. the address is: http://www.accsoft.com.au/~miller/bushrunners.htm Stew Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try this: http://www.sydneystriders.org.au/index.shtml. Ken A female friend is going to live in Sydney for 6 months and would like to know if there are any running clubs in the city. Does anyone have any links or information? Thanks Chris. Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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I am looking for info on 1999 Alcatraz triathlon. I thought I saw a September date. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Try www.envirosport.com or www.tricalifornia.com for the dates. best, -scott. — reply to sfk at brown dot edu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for info on 1999 Alcatraz triathlon. I thought I saw a September date. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: The Youngster’s impression of Muskoka: I’ve done a lot of Ironman qualifiers over the past few years and I’ve definitely seen worse drafting than Muskoka. The hilly bike course wasn’t conducive to wheel sucking as compared to the flat courses prevalent in the States such as Gulf Coast and Springfield. If there was only one draft marshal & that’s all I saw, they definitely could use more, but I thought overall it was a very well produced event considering the above-normal temperatures. They could move the start back earlier to avoid having racers run under the noon sun.  It was my first race in Canada, and both me and my two friends (also first time racers in Canada) enjoyed what we considered to be a relaxed, friendly atmosphere. We plan to return next year.

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Hmmm… I’m wondering what the atmosphere at Peterborough is going to be like. Any opinions? I’m planning on racing Peterborough but don’t stand a snowball’s chance of getting an IMC slot… so I want to have fun. Kevin Mitchell

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How deep into the 30-34 age group did the IMH and IMC spots go? How deep into the 20-29 age group did the IMH and IMC spots go?

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Interesting thread. 1. Trisport Promotions are perhaps the most successful and best race management team in multisports. They have been doing this longer than anyone else in the business. They have a track record of putting on high quality races. They have also forged new ground in attracting AND keeping big sponsors year after year so that the quality of their events are maintained. In Canada they have broken new ground in attracting sponsors beyond the obvious companies that would be interested in sponsoring this type of event. Higher profile sponsors want higher profile marketing and exposure. That usually means TV. In this area Trisports is again a trend setter in that they have invested the time and the money in developing a relationship with a TV network so that the races will get a high profile and, most importantly, that the sponsors will be back not just next year but for a few years. That’s how it works in this business. 2. As to the events of the Muskoka Triathlon, I was not there, so I will not pass judgement on them. However, I do know that the folks at Trisport are always willing to listen to feedback from participants. My suggestion is that if you have a complaint or a problem with how the race was managed that you contact Trisports directly.( People should do this for any race) 3.Cold Canadians: Having raced quite a bit in both Canada and the U.S., I must admit that I do notice a difference between the "Race Face" of Canadians and Americans.(I’m generalizing here) Americans as is their wont tend to be more gregarious and outgoing at races whereas Canadians tend to be a bit more reserved. This seems to be the way that Americans and Canadians behave, respectively, in any number of situations. Hey, it is a race folks and some people will be under stress, and people will deal with this type of stress however they can. Some laugh and glad hand around others with-draw and focus on the task at hand. Whatever. Steve Fleck

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Ouch…I guess I should be more careful with my critical race posts next time. First, let me apologize to anyone (Laura, you’re included in this) that read my post as an attack on individuals attempting to get to Kona or IMC.  I actually fall into that category myself, and certainly have no right to condemn or attack others for their goals.  My comment regarding individuals "willing to donate an organ to qualify" was just as it sounded, a figure of speech.  I could have just as easily typed "willing to give up your firstborn" or a multitude of other phrases with similar meaning. My point was not to single out any individual in particular.  Instead I was just trying to relay my perception of the atmosphere to those who weren’t at the event.  Laura I’m sorry if you took it that way, it certainly wasn’t my intent.  I didn’t realize until I read your post that my comment could even be construed that way, I apologize. Now, with respect to Muskoka being both an IQ and an IMC qualifier, and that somehow being a justification for the event to have a "serious" tone as a result is certainly true.  My point was that "serious" doesn’t necessarily have to mean that everyone is uptight and pretentious about racing.  Sure that attitude comes with the turf some of the time, but it is not necessary. My opinion is that the better races IMHO somehow avoid this atmosphere and bring in a bit of celebration in place of the intensity, the result is a wonderful event.  A few cases in point.  Memphis in May and IMC.  Both are   _VERY_ competitive races, but at the same time both races have a celebratory atmosphere surrounding them.  Although I haven’t been, I’ve been told the same about Mrs. T’s in Chicago.  Somehow these events are able to draw a large number of participants, including the very good ones, and still pull off an event that is an awful lot of fun just to take part in. I didn’t get that feeling at Muskoka.  Like I posted earlier, I felt as though there was a dichotomy of participants.  Perhaps due to the different transition areas, or perhaps a combination of things.  I don’t know the cause, it was just my perception. I also consider myself a serious in my racing and training, that’s why I’m so critical of drafting, blocking and other rules violations.  However, I don’t believe that competition or intensity justifies the attitudes that seem prevalent at some events. As a result of my opinion, I like to post my opinions when I experience those events.  My reasons are two-fold.  The first is very selfish, it helps me vent after a bad race experience.  My second reason is to let others know about the race.  If others are like me and really don’t like to attend races where a knife is necessary to cut the pre-race tension, there is a value to reading my post.  On the other hand, if there are others out there that really enjoy that type of race, there is also a value in my post for them. I realize that many other individuals had a great race experience at Muskoka and I am happy for them.  I didn’t have the same kind of day, my experience wasn’t plesant and part of my experience was due to the way the race was run.  Obviously others have differing opinions on the race, and I think that everyone is entitled to making up their own mind about the quality of an event.  For me Muskoka just wasn’t what I had expected, and that’s what I tried to convey in my post.  Unfortunately it didn’t come across quite that well. So, to everyone who had a great day at Muskoka, congratulations, I’m glad your experience was better than mine.  However, to anyone looking for a smaller version of IMC or a longer Memphis in May, I wouldn’t advise going to Muskoka its not in the same league. Of course it is only my opinion, and that often isn’t worth much, but I’m at least entitled to it. Well, happy training and racing! Jeff Larson "Be the change you want to see in the world."                         -Gandhi

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I have just come back from Muskoka and am very dissapointed how the 40 plus slots were awarde. Instead of having two age groupings ie 40-44 and 45-49 they lumped them together and the Kona and Canada slots went to the ‘youngsters’. This also accured in the 50 age group. I approached the Event Director and said that Yates had approved this approach. I have never heard of this before? This is not my experience- beside that one bad point and the appalling drafting on the bike (Charlie get yourself up there), the race was really challenging and fun. Oh Well. On to Allentown and Mrs T’s. Graham

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Re: drafting at Muskoka… There were 4 motorcycles available at the race, but the race director allocated 3 of them for the purpose of taping the race for television – in spite of protests by the head official. That left one motorcycle to patrol 55 km of race course! That’s clearly not enough! g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just come back from Muskoka and am very dissapointed how the 40 plus slots were awarde. Instead of having two age groupings ie 40-44 and 45-49 they lumped them together and the Kona and Canada slots went to the ‘youngsters’. This also accured in the 50 age group. I approached the Event Director and said that Yates had approved this approach. I have never heard of this before? This is not my experience- beside that one bad point and the appalling drafting on the bike (Charlie get yourself up there), the race was really challenging and fun. Oh Well. On to Allentown and Mrs T’s. Graham

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"A Youngster" in reply. I didn’t happen to notice how many slots went to the more experienced age groups, but I did notice that there was an abundance in mine (25-29), and in the 30-34 group as well.  These two age groups, collectively did account for over 25% of the race entries by my calculations (~155 individuals for ~600 entrants).  I don’t know if that qualifies for the number of spots or not, but could be the justification the RD looked at.  I don’t really have a judgement here, just wanted to say I observed the same thing. On your other comment, the course marshalling was a _HUGE_ dissappointment.  I was looking forward to going north of the border to experience a little Canadian hospitality, in a well-run, hometown style event.  What I experienced was quite the opposite.  Very pretentious atmosphere (especially for a race of 600), cameras all over the place covering the local scene, which would have been great if there were enough marshals.   However, the single marshal that went by me 5 plus times, seemed apprehensive to cite anyone for a violation.  He knew who the offenders were, he just wouldn’t pull the trigger and penalize them, gun-shy I guess. At first I was wondering if the rules on drafting were different in Canada than they are here in the states, but your post confirms that they aren’t.   I can’t count how many individuals I saw riding in packs.  Very disheartening, and discouraging.  One of those days that makes you wonder if you are the only one who plays by the rules.  I’m reading the other thread about "Dealing with scumsucking wheelsuckers", and thinking to myself, tried that, did that, the pump idea is nice, but since I use CO2 I don’t have a pump, and it was so hot I couldn’t muster up enough saliva to hock a good lugee nor did I want to waste the fluid. I’ve also read the other posts describing the race, but all I can say is I had a different experience.  This race seemed to have the two extremes of racers, the newbies who were out for fun and the others who were willing to donate an organ to qualify.  Since I don’t really fit into either of these groups, I guess I just felt out of place. The kilometers were marked accurately, but was it just me, or did the aid stations seems to stop after about Km 4?  I know there were a couple out of town, but IMHO not enough, and that’s where they were needed the most. Next year I think I’ll just go back to Springfield, at least there I know what to expect. I sure hope that USTS Madison is a better experience because right now I’m in dire need of a tri-enema to get me back on track…;) Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Re: drafting at Muskoka… There were 4 motorcycles available at the race, but the race director allocated 3 of them for the purpose of taping the race for television – in spite of protests by the head official. That left one motorcycle to patr ol 55 km of race course! That’s clearly not enough! g I have just come back from Muskoka and am very dissapointed how the 40 plus slots were awarde. Instead of having two age groupings ie 40-44 a nd 45-49 they lumped them together and the Kona and Canada slots went to the ‘youngsters’. This also accured in the 50 age group. I approached the Event Director and said that Yates had approved this approach. I have never heard of this before? This is not my experience- beside tha t one bad point and the appalling drafting on the bike (Charlie get yourself up there), the race was really challenging and fun. Oh Well. On to Allentown and Mrs T’s. Graham

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I have to agree with David’s comments –hey, this was a IQ and IMC qualifier and by that fact, it’s going to have a ’serious" tone for lots of participants. If someone wants  a low-key atmosphere, then go to a local race.  But by definition, these qualifiers are going to attract intense competition. The race director should have had more draft marshalls out there –I fully agree with that. While I was on the bike, I actually saw a guy cut the course by tuning around a mile before the official turn-around. I tried to wave the one marshall down that I saw, but he wouldn’t stop. Next year, the race should provide number stickers for the bike helmets to make identifying drafters and cheaters easier. I also don’t think that Mr Larson’s sneering at those athletes, myself included, who want to get to IM is justified. I for one, am not about to apologize to anyone for the fact that I train hard and  race to do well. If that’s not "cool", well, tough! And, I don’t appreciate Laraon’s  crack about being "willing to donate an organ to qualify". I had my doctor’s ok to resume running before the race,  I knew my limitations–so lay off the personal attack. Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very pretentious atmosphere (especially for a race of 600), cameras all over the place covering the local scene, which would have been great if there were enough marshals.         It is Ontario’s most competative race, one must accept that many will be to busy with their heads up their arses to even think about cracking a smile. Seriously, after the race people loosened up a bit, but before it was like ice. I meet a couple friendly people, and the folks I knew from Ottawa were great, but by and large it was brutal. My sister, competing in her second race, and after watching IMC last year commented something along the lines of, "people are a lot more uptight here than in Pentiction." Fortunately, the townspeople were great, and I still had a good time. I can’t count how many individuals I saw riding in packs.         I won’t argue that drafting didn’t take place, but let me throw this in. The course was extremely hilly, and many riders grouped together at the climbs. I found I would get stuck with a group, which would break up on the downhills, then immediately form again when another hill appeared. There just wasn’t the opportunity to get spread out properly. The big issue I found was blocking, people just didn’t understand that one should ride on the left and pass on the right. The marshalls could have been a little harsher, this I won’t contest, but I really don’t think it would have done a hell of a lot. Perhaps the waves should have been spread out a little more? Just a thought, but yes, there was drafting, but I really don’t think the majority fit into the "wheel-sucking scum" catagory. racers, the newbies who were out for fun and the others who were willing to donate an organ to qualify.  Since I don’t really fit into either of these groups, I guess I just felt out of place.         You should have seen my little 20 – 24 bike rack. Ice. I didn’t warrant much of a look with my under $1000 bike. They did loosen up after the race. A little. Well, one guy was really friendly.         Anyway, enough from me. I really should be in bed. A triathlete up later than 9:30. The horror. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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I have just come back from Muskoka and am very dissapointed how the 40 plus slots were awarde. Instead of having two age groupings ie 40-44 and 45-49 they lumped them together and the Kona and Canada slots went to the ‘youngsters’. This also accured in the 50 age group. I approached the Event Director and said that Yates had approved this approach. I have never heard of this before?

I did not go to Muskoka this year.  And yes, I agree this blatantly favors the younger end of the 10 year age group.  That said, RD’s have a lot of discretion in how they allocate slots.  AND, they stated where the slots were going in their entry brochure and on their website (http://www.pcatlethics.com), so it shouldn’t have been a surprise. IMHO, age grouping should be in 5 year increments up to age 70.  There are some very talented seniors who get this kind of treatment on a regular basis, and we ‘younsters’ don’t even notice.  Wait.  Your/Our day will come. beside that one bad point and the appalling drafting on the bike (Charlie get yourself up there), the race was really challenging and fun. Oh Well. On to Allentown and Mrs T’s.

Bear in mind that Muskoka is in another country.  Why would USAT send officials there?  Their sanction comes from OAT (Ontario Association of Triathletes.) I don’t know how actively they train and promote their officiating program, but even in their absence, TriSport Promotions has the experience and wherewithall to marshall the bike leg.  If, drafting was as widespread as you say, ‘Shame on them’.  It’s a quick route to a bad reputation. I did a century instead this past weekend.  I probably made the right choice. Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Graham

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Very pretentious atmosphere (especially for a race of 600), cameras all over the place covering the local scene, which would have been great if there were enough marshals.  

        It is Ontario’s most competative race, one must accept that many will be to busy with their heads up their arses to even think about cracking a smile. Seriously, after the race people loosened up a bit, but before it was like ice. I meet a couple friendly people, and the folks I knew from Ottawa were great, but by and large it was brutal. My sister, competing in her second race, and after watching IMC last year commented something along the lines of, "people are a lot more uptight here than in Pentiction." Fortunately, the townspeople were great, and I still had a good time. I can’t count how many individuals I saw riding in packs.

        I won’t argue that drafting didn’t take place, but let me throw this in. The course was extremely hilly, and many riders grouped together at the climbs. I found I would get stuck with a group, which would break up on the downhills, then immediately form again when another hill appeared. There just wasn’t the opportunity to get spread out properly. The big issue I found was blocking, people just didn’t understand that one should ride on the left and pass on the right. The marshalls could have been a little harsher, this I won’t contest, but I really don’t think it would have done a hell of a lot. Perhaps the waves should have been spread out a little more? Just a thought, but yes, there was drafting, but I really don’t think the majority fit into the "wheel-sucking scum" catagory. racers, the newbies who were out for fun and the others who were willing to donate an organ to qualify.  Since I don’t really fit into either of these groups, I guess I just felt out of place.

        You should have seen my little 20 – 24 bike rack. Ice. I didn’t warrant much of a look with my under $1000 bike. They did loosen up after the race. A little. Well, one guy was really friendly.         Anyway, enough from me. I really should be in bed. A triathlete up later than 9:30. The horror. David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55:59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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<big snip  Now to run shorter things, 600 is next up.  In the mean time, with the heat, I’ll be doing some days in the pool or on bikes.  Any suggestions from triathletes regarding how best to mix the three types of training? —

The heat got you, but don’t feel bad, it’s an occupational hazzard here in the south. Happens all the time. If your effort felt right, you did the best you could. Now, how to mix training. Stick to doing one discipline a day, or at worst, one in the morning, another in the afternoon.. One pattern is to swim one day, run the next, then bike the third. The swim works the upper body, so you should be OK for the run. Then the bike is a good way to recover from the run. Throw in a rest day and repeat. Unless you’re going to train for a triathlon, I wouldn’t worry about doing multiple daily workouts, or a traditional "brick", which is a hard bike followed by a run. A brick trains you to do the bike/run transistion – which is god-awful each and every time, but they really are tough on the bod. Mike "TriBop" Tennent Remove "nospam" for email reply WebRunner Running Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html My Model Railroad Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/srr/

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  Saturday, I finally ran the 5k I’d mentioned.  The good news was that it was 40 seconds faster than the previous best.  The bad news is that I was looking for 2:40 faster.  That wasn’t unreasonable because the previous best was a jog rather than a run.   Then reality, in the form of heat and high humidity (90%), interfered. I only stayed near the goal pace for the first two laps.  The last half of the 5k, I finished at my usual jogging pace (feeling as if I were working as hard as a much faster run, just not covering ground).   If I took my usual heat adjustment (40 seconds/mile), then I suppose I could sort of figure that I would have been near the pace I wanted to be at.  Still, very unsatisfying day.  Unlike on the 3200 I mentioned earlier, where not too long after I finished I was thinking about how I should have run this or that part faster and was feeling fairly good, this time, it was a matter of ‘well, at least that’s out of the way’.   Definitely a good idea (for me) to put off the 5k for time until the dew point is below 78 and the week before the timing isn’t ca. 100 with ozone red alerts.  But I nevertheless did figure how to run a 5k — a 2400, two 800’s, and a 1000.   Now to run shorter things, 600 is next up.  In the mean time, with the heat, I’ll be doing some days in the pool or on bikes.  Any suggestions from triathletes regarding how best to mix the three types of training? — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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I recall seeing an inspirational quote posted on one of the rec* newsgroups (running, triathlon or cycling) in Latin that approximated "Better, Stronger, Faster."  Does anybody recall what it was? –Stefan

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I recall seeing an inspirational quote posted on one of the rec* newsgroups (running, triathlon or cycling) in Latin that approximated "Better, Stronger, Faster."  Does anybody recall what it was? –Stefan

Try Citius, Altius, Fortius That’s ?, higher, stronger

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I recall seeing an inspirational quote posted on one of the rec* newsgroups (running, triathlon or cycling) in Latin that approximated "Better, Stronger, Faster."  Does anybody recall what it was? –Stefan

Ah, it’s familiar.  Yes… it’s the introduction to the "six million dollar man":   Gentleman, we can rebuild him; better, stronger, faster, longer" They don’t make tv shows like that any more! —

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: Our wetsuits are advertised as 4.5mm, but are actually 5.0mm Why do you advertise imprecisely?   Just wondering.

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<<Why do you advertise imprecisely?   Just wondering. It’s kind of a money thing.  We technically buy and pay for 4.5mm rubber from our rubber manufacturer that we use for this specific type of rubber.  We give him specs that we want, which happen to be 5mm.  He builds us the rubber to our specs.  It’s a weird business thing that has evolved over many years with this rubber supplier.  However, since the invoices say 4.5mm, we feel it only appropriate to put this on our catalogs. QRman

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<<Seriously, what is the density range of rubber used in wetsuits?  What <<kind of tradeoff is there between density/pliability and other important <<factors ? So long as the rubber is durable there is no downside to rubber which is lighter and more pliable.  It floats higher, it stretches more, and generally yields a wetsuit more comfortable for the given amount of rubber. We designate certain parts of our wetsuit "float panels", and most of the chest, upper torso, and legs are what we wish to float.  This rubber will be about 5mm thick in our suits, and will be made of rubber which has a specific gravity of .15, which means about one-sixth the density of water.  Standard neoprene has a specific gravity of about .20 to .25, which is from one-fifth to one-fourth the density of water.   QRman

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I was interested in buying a Richard Brown hammerhead wetsuit. As this is my first triathlon wetsuit do you think their is a big difference between a 4mm thick suit and a 5mm suit. Will I notice a signifigant difference ? Note I am of average swimming ability, i do tend to drag my legs somewhat though.                      Tired of freezing my unmentionables off . — Paul Yeung                                  

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<<I was interested in buying a Richard Brown hammerhead wetsuit. As this << <<is my first triathlon wetsuit do you think their is a big difference << <<between a 4mm thick suit and a 5mm suit. Will I notice a signifigant << <<difference ? Note I am of average swimming ability, i do tend to drag my << <<legs somewhat though. depends on what kind of rubber it is.  if it is light density rubber, it would be fine.  if regular density, it’ll be warm enough but not quite as fast.  we advertise ours as 4.5mm light density rubber in the areas where flotation is greatest, but ours is really 5mm.  5mm sections in the front of the suit will really float you if the rubber is light density, however, frankly, there is only one rubber manufacturer in the world who really makes bona-fide light density rubber, and richard browne does not use it. i believe his wetsuits are made by sheiko, as are peformance’ wetsuits, and these taiwanese-made wetsuits are okay, however sheiko won’t make a wetsuit for you unless you use their proprietary rubber, which is very good rubber, but not up to the technical specs of some of the other rubber manufacturers. this does help keep the price of the richard brown and the performance wetsuit down, however.  most of our rubber is japanese, and the strength of the yen is killing us.  we are about to raise our prices by 10-15% to compensate for it, which will hit the consumers in a few weeks.  i doubt that those manufacturers who are using taiwanese rubber will have to undergo a similar price increase. qrMAN

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<<I was interested in buying a Richard Brown hammerhead wetsuit. As this << <<is my first triathlon wetsuit do you think their is a big difference << <<between a 4mm thick suit and a 5mm suit. Will I notice a signifigant << <<difference ? Note I am of average swimming ability, i do tend to drag my << <<legs somewhat though. << <<                     Tired of freezing my unmentionables off . You should first make sure your unquestionables are covered sufficiently.   Above and beyond that, you should consider where the thick rubber is, and if that suits your style of swimming.  Our wetsuits are advertised as 4.5mm, but are actually 5.0mm, and are of a lighter density rubber than the Richard Browne, so they float higher still.  You should also consider where it is you sink, which is in your case the legs.  Therefore, your particular suit should have thick rubber from your knees down.  The lighter density rubber we use is also more pliable, and so you can have upwards of 5.0mm of rubber in your ankles and the wetsuit, when wet, will still come off easily.  A standard density rubber in that thickness would be difficult to get off your ankles. I’m being so gosh darn blatant right now.  I should be flamed for this. Kazez, please flame me. QRman

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: I’m being so gosh darn blatant right now.  I should be flamed for this. : Kazez, please flame me. : QRman qRmaN, Innies don’t get flamed.  Just to be sure, we’ll make you lift        up your shirt at Wildflower. Eric

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<— blantant commercial stuff deleted  —- The lighter density rubber we use is also more pliable, and so you can have upwards of 5.0mm of rubber in your ankles and the wetsuit, when wet, will still come off easily.  A standard density rubber in that thickness would be difficult to get off your ankles.

Seriously, what is the density range of rubber used in wetsuits?  What kind of tradeoff is there between density/pliability and other important factors ? Pat    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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Hello,     I’d like to know how late in the fall there are still tri’s that I can     attend in the PA,NY,MD,CT,MA,RI area. This is my first season in a     northern country and I’d like to plan the rest of it. In my country     (Mexico) there are tri’s even in late november but I don’t think that’s     the case around here (brrrrr!).     I checked the Jul-Aug issue of the Mid-Atlantic RACEGUIDE but the list     ends on Sept 26, is that it for the year? I hope not.     I thank in advance for your information.                                               _      (   |   )             Rogelio Macias Ordonez       -o^o-/      Behavioral and Evolutionary Biosciences    /—(___)—           Chandler-Ullman Hall 17     _/ / / _               Lehigh University    <  |  V  |             Bethlehem, PA 18015  USA       | /^ |           Tels (215) 758-5561, 758-5543        | |/                 Fax (215) 974-6467

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But here in Florida the triathlon season runs from early March through late November.  Peak running season is in the winter, and duathlons are year round.

Go ahead, rub it in, Matt… — And so as you hear these words telling you now of my state I tell you to enjoy life I wish I could but it’s too late

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