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You *do* realize that ball room dancing is slated to be an Olympic sport some day?  I kid you not.  We can’t get orienteering, a sport that combines extremely fast running over rough terrain with precision map reading and decision making, but ball room dancing evidently has an in because NBC wants it.

We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates. Corky Scott

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You *do* realize that ball room dancing is slated to be an Olympic sport some day?  I kid you not.  We can’t get orienteering, a sport that combines extremely fast running over rough terrain with precision map reading and decision making, but ball room dancing evidently has an in because NBC wants it. We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates.

And it is god awful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Corky Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it. Man, I couldn’t agree more. My main beef with TV coverage of the Olympics for, oh, the last 30 years or so is that it’s become the quadrennial gymnastics championship. It’s really little more than a massive open audition for the next big commercial spokesperson. Meanwhile, those of us who want to see silly, frivolous stuff like track & field are left out in the cold.   At least they show some track.  The sports I want to see: judo, TKD, boxing and wrestling; get zero coverage.  I don’t have cable and broadcast

Get one of those little satellite dishes. Either Dish Network or Direct TV.  They throw in the receivers if you subscribe for a year and it’s cheaper than cable. NBC has shown a total of ~7min of Judo!!!  Hopefully there will be tapes (or better DVDs) of the individual events for latter viewing.   Has there been any boxing coverage (I haven’t checked)?

Lots on satellite.  Between NBC, CNBC, USA, Bravo, MSNBC and a few others there is almost 24 hour coverage and nearly every event is covered.  Can’t say as I’ve watched much…Beach volleyball was interesting<:-))  Actually I didn’t watch much of that either. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com

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   At least they show some track.  The sports I want to see: judo, TKD, boxing and wrestling; get zero coverage.

Same here — I’d like to see the riflery. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates. And it is god awful.

Certainly not as bad as my dancing. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates. And it is god awful. Certainly not as bad as my dancing.

I’ve never seen you dance but sight unseen would prefer it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"

between 20 and 100 miles, then run between 2 and 20 miles. Every day. We think it is fun, until our knees and feet give out and we hit a car and we end up crippled and 60 lbs overweight. Until then, we think it is fun. Been there, done that, have the chronic knee pain and the 60 pounds.  But my sports were cross country skiing and orienteering.

Hmmm…my sports were baseball and golf. I was (by "official" numbers) 10-15 lbs overweight when I was 20 and throwing a 92 MPH fastball. Now 32 years later, I’m "20 lbs overweight" (6′1", 205 – 17 1/2" neck, 48" chest, 38" waist…which used to be 36") and my wrecked my knees and back during a 65MPH hit of a freeway barrier wall at a 45 degree angle with three rolls. My idea of exercise was walking 18 two or three times a week. And I still play to a 7-10 handicap and drive the ball 260.

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The return so far has been poor, but that’s not slowing the people who want NY to host them down. They’re now bragging about how well cities that hosted the Olymics are doing 20 years later. Sorta like arguing that you should invest in this ’cause it’ll pay off for your kids.

That’s not completely unreasonable logic.  However, I hope my kids aren’t so foolish as to live in this area.  I want them surpass me; not repeat my mistakes <laugh.         – Andrew

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it. Man, I couldn’t agree more. My main beef with TV coverage of the Olympics for, oh, the last 30 years or so is that it’s become the quadrennial gymnastics championship. It’s really little more than a massive open audition for the next big commercial spokesperson. Meanwhile, those of us who want to see silly, frivolous stuff like track & field are left out in the cold.

   At least they show some track.  The sports I want to see: judo, TKD, boxing and wrestling; get zero coverage.  I don’t have cable and broadcast NBC has shown a total of ~7min of Judo!!!  Hopefully there will be tapes (or better DVDs) of the individual events for latter viewing.    Has there been any boxing coverage (I haven’t checked)?

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  At least they show some track.  The sports I want to see: judo, TKD, boxing and wrestling; get zero coverage.  I don’t have cable and broadcast

Back when I was a cross country ski racer, I got to talking to John Caldwell, the coach of the US National Team.  He said that in 1980 at Lake Placid, *every* TV in the Olympic village was tuned to CBC, because NBC only showed sports that the US medalled in, so if you cared about some other sport, you had to watch CBC.  He didn’t have to add that the CBC couldn’t only show sports that Canada medalled in, because the Canadian team sucked so much that year that it would be the "All Brian Orser, All the Time" show. — I’m a Darwinian carnivore.  I only eat things that weren’t fit enough to prevent their being killed.               — Mike Sphar

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/excerpt Concerning the scoring controversy involving Paul Hamm and the incorrect start value of the South Korean, why are so few news outlets reporting the other scoring problem? Yan Tae-Young also performed a parallel bar routine that incorporated four holds when only three are allowed. This should have been a mandatory two-tenths of a point deduction. If you are going to review tape to make sure the judges got the start value correct, then shouldn’t the missed mandatory also be corrected? The one-tenth gained by adjusting the start value would be more than offset by the two-tenths loss. Last night NBC gymnastics commentator Tim Daggett went over the tape and showed where all four holds were and agreed that Hamm should have the sole gold for the event. Daggett has been exceptionally fair in his evaluations, remaking when he thinks scores have been too high or low. /end excerpt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You *do* realize that ball room dancing is slated to be an Olympic sport some day?  I kid you not.  We can’t get orienteering, a sport that combines extremely fast running over rough terrain with precision map reading and decision making, but ball room dancing evidently has an in because NBC wants it. We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates. And it is god awful.

Love it. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Corky Scott

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Hmmm…my sports were baseball and golf.

Mine were 8-ball and the 12 ounce wrist curls. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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You *do* realize that ball room dancing is slated to be an Olympic sport some day?  I kid you not.  We can’t get orienteering, a sport that combines extremely fast running over rough terrain with precision map reading and decision making, but ball room dancing evidently has an in because NBC wants it. We have ballroom dancing now in the Olympics.  It occurs during the winter games and the "athelets" wear skates.

There is no such thing as "sports" in cold weather — there is only survival in cold weather.

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OK, I watched the weightlifting competition. Here are these guys who come out onto the floor and pick up a set of weights that weigh more than my whole airplane with me inside it. They lift it (the weights, not my airplane) high above their heads until, as Dave Barry says, their eyeballs are ejected across the room. Then they drop the weights crashing back down to the floor. Anyway, have you seen these guys? My sport was triathlon, thank you very much — and most triathletes consider themselves to be in pretty good shape. I mean, we get up every day, swim a mile or three, ride our bikes for between 20 and 100 miles, then run between 2 and 20 miles. Every day. We think it is fun, until our knees and feet give out and we hit a car and we end up crippled and 60 lbs overweight. Until then, we think it is fun. So, I see in the news that one of the Greek weightlifters was disqualified because he had too much testosterone in his body. Hey, I watched the women weightlifters, and *they* have too much testosterone in their bodies. So what is this limit all about, anyway? If you are a weightlifter you get, what only 100 times as much testosterone as your typical lumberjack, and no more? I mean, I thought you needed a lot of testosterone to be a triathlete. I don’t think I understand weightlifting at all. Oh, and if any of you weightlifters come around here, please put my airplane down gently. It gets enough abuse from the guys who fly it. — Christopher J. Campbell World Famous Flight Instructor Port Orchard, WA If you go around beating the Bush, don’t complain if you rile the animals.

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between 20 and 100 miles, then run between 2 and 20 miles. Every day. We think it is fun, until our knees and feet give out and we hit a car and we end up crippled and 60 lbs overweight. Until then, we think it is fun.

Been there, done that, have the chronic knee pain and the 60 pounds.  But my sports were cross country skiing and orienteering. So, I see in the news that one of the Greek weightlifters was disqualified because he had too much testosterone in his body. Hey, I watched the women

They know how much testosterone a human body can produce, even such an inhuman human body as a world class weight lifter.  If you have more, it’s because you’re chemically enhanced. Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it. — Like most computer techie people, I’ll happily spend 6 hours trying to figure out how to do a 3 hour job in 10 minutes.               –Rev. James Cort, ASR

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it.

That’s a good start.  If they’d eliminate the ones where timing or a referee was used, we could get back to our regularly scheduled programming.         Mike Beede

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Oh, and if any of you weightlifters come around here, please put my airplane down gently. It gets enough abuse from the guys who fly it.

LOL!  Well said!

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it.

Man, I couldn’t agree more. My main beef with TV coverage of the Olympics for, oh, the last 30 years or so is that it’s become the quadrennial gymnastics championship. It’s really little more than a massive open audition for the next big commercial spokesperson. Meanwhile, those of us who want to see silly, frivolous stuff like track & field are left out in the cold.

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They’re having an Olympics again?  Time sure does fly.   Not that I wish the current locale ill, but I hope the economics are such that New York City gets this foolish idea out of its uncollective head.         – Andrew

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it.

Well how about softball? Volleyball? Whjat the hell happened to the true spirit of finding the best in the world –  fastest/highest/longest etc.? They’ll be having Ludo & Snakes & Ladders soon at this rate. Tony (Who used to play a mean game of Ludo  Anyone want to nominate me for the next one — Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it. Man, I couldn’t agree more. My main beef with TV coverage of the Olympics for, oh, the last 30 years or so is that it’s become the quadrennial gymnastics championship. It’s really little more than a massive open audition for the next big commercial spokesperson. Meanwhile, those of us who want to see silly, frivolous stuff like track & field are left out in the cold.

You go to bed too early.  Stay up till 3:00 AM and you could have seen them.  NBC has been Olympics nearly all night long. At least something preempts basketball, foot ball and baseball. (and pro wresteling)<:-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com

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Personally, my off topic Olympic rant is that any so-called sport where who won or lost is determined by a judge should be removed.  Diving, figure skating, synchonized swimming, gymnastics, dressage, gone. Unfortunately NBC wouldn’t stand for it. Well how about softball? Volleyball? Whjat the hell happened to the true spirit of finding the best in the world –  fastest/highest/longest etc.?

I have no objection to those sports, because they’re decided by a score board, not by judges. They’ll be having Ludo & Snakes & Ladders soon at this rate.

You *do* realize that ball room dancing is slated to be an Olympic sport some day?  I kid you not.  We can’t get orienteering, a sport that combines extremely fast running over rough terrain with precision map reading and decision making, but ball room dancing evidently has an in because NBC wants it. — A male pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he’s flying, and about flying when he’s with a woman.

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They’re having an Olympics again?  Time sure does fly. Not that I wish the current locale ill, but I hope the economics are such that New York City gets this foolish idea out of its uncollective head.         – Andrew

The Greeks spent 7 billion which is 3 billon over budget and the stands are half empty/full.  The return if it ever comes will be decades down the road.

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Not that I wish the current locale ill, but I hope the economics are such that New York City gets this foolish idea out of its uncollective head.

The return so far has been poor, but that’s not slowing the people who want NY to host them down. They’re now bragging about how well cities that hosted the Olymics are doing 20 years later. Sorta like arguing that you should invest in this ’cause it’ll pay off for your kids. George Patterson      If you want to know God’s opinion of money, just look at the people      he gives it to.

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FYI, the water can be very rough at St. A’s so I like wearing a wetsuit for the bouyancy. Wendy in St. Pete Beach – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian – i’ve done st.a’s twice, with and without wetsuit, and its definitely not necessary. the water can be brisk, but the best reason to wear the suit is that everyone else is. the bike course is perfectly flat – i would definitely go with the aero bars if you have them. there are a lot of turns and curves, but also a fair share of relatively long straight shots where you’ll be glad you can get on the bars. enjoy the race – its one of the best i’ve been to. dan  I have a few questions for anyone who has doen this race in the past. First of all, what is the water temperature–is a wetsuit needed? Secondly, I have read that the bike course is flat, suggesting the use of TT bars, but from the map  I have seen it appears to be a fairly technical course with a  relatively high number of turns. This latter fact makes me think that road bars may be the better choice. Any help would be appreciated.       Brian Meyer

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Hey Brian, I’ve personally never done St. Ant. myself, but I’ve spectated quite a few times.  Wetsuit or No wetsuit ??  That will depend on the weather.  Last year it was NO, year before it was YES, this year ??? As it’s been lately, water temperatures have been above normal.  The Bike course is VERY tecnical.  BC takes in some sections of brick roads…tight corners….narrow roads….lots of other competitors, always plenty of big wrecks and bloody thighs and sholders.  The Run course like the bike is FLAT and FAST, HOT AND HUMID!  Definatly a runners race. I’m still trying to decide if I’m gonna do St. Ant. this year or sign up to become a USAT official.  Either way, see ya there.                     GoodLuck,                                          Robert Stevens

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Hello Brian,   Well, I did St. Anthonys last year and I had a blast doing it.  The swim was warm so water temperature wasnt an issue.  The waves/chop, however, was. the swim can be tough sometimes.  The chop can make you feel like your in a washing machine sometimes.  Not to mention, you will be swimming by some boats and there is sometimes a nasty smell/taste of gas in the water.  Oohhh I hated that. Anyways, the swim is the hilliest part of the course!! The bike portion is flat, fast, and technical.  Do bring the aero bars but be ready for some tight turns and lots of traffic.  Avoid picking up water bottles if you can on the bike.  Lots of people slow waaay down and make all kinds of crazy turns while trying to grab those bottles from the volounteers hands.  Stay as far away from these as possible. The run was also quite flat and sometimes hot.  When you end up in a stretch of unshaded run course, your gonna see just how hot the florida sun can be. Use sunscreen.  Again, the run course can be quite crowded and it’ll look like one looong stream of people from beginning to end. I enjoyed the race and would recommend it.  Have a great time. Bob Vetal.  I have a few questions for anyone who has doen this race in the past. First of all, what is the water temperature–is a wetsuit needed? Secondly, I have read that the bike course is flat, suggesting the use of TT bars, but from the map  I have seen it appears to be a fairly technical course with a  relatively high number of turns. This latter fact makes me think that road bars may be the better choice. Any help would be appreciated.       Brian Meyer

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 I have a few questions for anyone who has doen this race in the past. First of all, what is the water temperature–is a wetsuit needed? Secondly, I have read that the bike course is flat, suggesting the use of TT bars, but from the map  I have seen it appears to be a fairly technical course with a  relatively high number of turns. This latter fact makes me think that road bars may be the better choice. Any help would be appreciated.       Brian Meyer

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Brian R. Meyer writes what is the water temperature–is a wetsuit needed?

Reply:  Water temperature is normally right on the line between allowing wetsuits and not.  Thus, a wetsuit is not NEEDED for maintianing your body tempoerature. I have read that the bike course is flat, suggesting the use of TT bars, but from the map  I have seen it appears to be a fairly technical course with a  relatively high number of turns.

Reply:  The bike course is indeed flat and has a lot of turns.  However, there are many straight-aways where aerobars can help you maintain best speed.   Have fun.   Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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Brian – i’ve done st.a’s twice, with and without wetsuit, and its definitely not necessary. the water can be brisk, but the best reason to wear the suit is that everyone else is. the bike course is perfectly flat – i would definitely go with the aero bars if you have them. there are a lot of turns and curves, but also a fair share of relatively long straight shots where you’ll be glad you can get on the bars. enjoy the race – its one of the best i’ve been to. dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I have a few questions for anyone who has doen this race in the past. First of all, what is the water temperature–is a wetsuit needed? Secondly, I have read that the bike course is flat, suggesting the use of TT bars, but from the map  I have seen it appears to be a fairly technical course with a  relatively high number of turns. This latter fact makes me think that road bars may be the better choice. Any help would be appreciated.       Brian Meyer

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Who’s going?  What’s the water temp.looking like.  This cool spell next 2 days may keep water temp down.  This is my 1st St. A’s race.  What should I expect??  I’m average cyclist, pretty strong runner(38 range in tri).

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Who’s going?  What’s the water temp.looking like.  This cool spell next 2 days may keep water temp down.

It’s 11:00 pm and 78 degrees here in south FL,  Temperatures are expected to be well into the 80’s all week.  No cool spell here.  Water Temp will probobly hover right around 79. Could go either way.   This is my 1st St. A’s race.  What should I expect??  I’m average cyclist, pretty strong runner(38 range in tri).

Expect a slow, crowded bike and a fast run, with beautiful weather. tim(dogspot1) buaidh no bas

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Who’s going?  What’s the water temp.looking like.  This cool spell next 2 days may keep water temp down.  This is my 1st St. A’s race.  What should I expect??  I’m average cyclist, pretty strong runner(38 range in tri).

Dear Ronnie – Sounds like you are in for a good race. My guess, judging by the Gulf temp this week is that we won’t be wearing wet suits. Hopefully the wind will stay down and the weather will be as predicted – morning low of 61, afternoon high of 82. Look for the RST sign to the right of the beer truck after the race. (unless they move it and then we’ll be under the nearest shade tree) Wendy in St. Pete Beach

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For all you out of staters coming to St. Pete Sunday. Water temps have been a fairly choppy 78 degrees this week. Outside temps lows in the low 70’s except for this morning, 58. Highs in the mid to upper 80’s. Ya gotta love it. The ever present wind just switched from the south to from the north which means in your face on the last half of the bike. Should be fun. See you there. Keith from Tampa

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Greg Welch won  after the usual amazing comeback on run.  Michelie Jones won in women’s.  Just walked in, too tired to remember rest, all a blur. Jim

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Does anyone have the results for St. Anthony’s.  Please post. Thanks in advance.

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Has anyone received applications for St. Anthony’s?  I e-mailed them several weeks ago asking for one and havent received one yet.  This makes it very hard to decide weither or not to race.  If you have gotten one please e-mail me to let me know to call them again and also, please let me know what the entry fee is.  I was disappointed with the 90$ entry for gulf coast and I’m afraid St. Anthony’s might be the same.   Thanks! — Lisa

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Has anyone received applications for St. Anthony’s?  I e-mailed them several weeks ago asking for one and havent received one yet.  This makes it very hard to decide weither or not to race.  If you have gotten one please e-mail me to let me know to call them again and also, please let me know what the entry fee is.  I was disappointed with the 90$ entry for gulf coast and I’m afraid St. Anthony’s might be the same. Thanks! — Lisa

If you call 813 825 1271 and leave them a fax number they should be able to fax you an application.  The fee is $60 if paid by 4/1/97 and goes up to $65 after. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Florida

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Has anyone received applications for St. Anthony’s?  I e-mailed them several weeks ago asking for one and havent received one yet.  This makes it very hard to decide weither or not to race.  If you have gotten one please e-mail me to let me know to call them again and also, please let me know what the entry fee is.  I was disappointed with the 90$ entry for gulf coast and I’m afraid St. Anthony’s might be the same. Thanks! — Lisa

from their website….www.stanthonys.com/triathlon $60.00 for an early entry….. cheers! Sam

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Hi Bernard – it was luck which directed me to my pair. They aren’t even for sale in Canada, but a store I frequent had a pair or two for some reason or another. He said they are supposed to just be a ‘promotion’  of some kind (?) which I don’t understand. Anyway, you should be able to find the Cubatos (also Adidas) in your size, which are absolutely identical except for some minor upper stuff. The sole is the same. Get a copy of the latest ‘Inside Triathlete’ mag – there’s a great write up on the new spring flats. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi David, I’d really like to get a pair of concertos, but Roadrunnersports.com is out of my size, where do you purchase yours? Thanks, "Train hard win easy"   Bernard

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Hi David, I’d really like to get a pair of concertos, but Roadrunnersports.com is out of my size, where do you purchase yours? Thanks, "Train hard win easy"   Bernard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Roger, I think the Concertos might be a little better. See how the first few loops of laces go through the actual Adidas ’stripes’? The Cubatos don’t have that, and I really believe that feature helped make the shoe fit so glove- like. The soles are absolutely identical. However, the Mangostins are crazy-looking. Solid red, and the sole is made out of some mesh (?) stuff. I’m not too clear on it yet… 5.0 oz. is crazy, though! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) — You are not funny.  I just bought two pairs of Concertos and then you post this. Well, I did some investigating and I could only get information on one of the two new shoes you mentioned. About all I heard from the place was they were probably going to cost about $90.00 and they weren’t planning on carrying them. Roger There’s a great article on the latest flats out for this spring in the March issue of Inside Triathlete. I am currently drooling over the Adidas Mangostin (5.0 oz) and the Adidas Cubato (6.2 oz). These look almost identical to the Concerto, my favorite flat, and are obviously supposed to be the ‘follow-up’. I am concerned however, that the upper isn’t as good – I like the way the laces looped directly into the Adidas ’stripes’ in the sides of the shoe in the Concertos. This seemed to really be a part of the glove-fit that is important in a flat. I think I will go with both pairs – the Cubatos for training/long races and the Mangostins for racing 10km and under… maybe even only 5km and under. I’ve never been much of an Adidas fan until I went flats-only. I don’t know anything about their trainers, but they make quality flats. — David (in Hamilton, Ont)

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Roger, I think the Concertos might be a little better. See how the first few loops of laces go through the actual Adidas ’stripes’? The Cubatos don’t have that, and I really believe that feature helped make the shoe fit so glove- like. The soles are absolutely identical. However, the Mangostins are crazy-looking. Solid red, and the sole is made out of some mesh (?) stuff. I’m not too clear on it yet… 5.0 oz. is crazy, though! — David (in Hamilton, Ont) —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are not funny.  I just bought two pairs of Concertos and then you post this. Well, I did some investigating and I could only get information on one of the two new shoes you mentioned. About all I heard from the place was they were probably going to cost about $90.00 and they weren’t planning on carrying them. Roger There’s a great article on the latest flats out for this spring in the March issue of Inside Triathlete. I am currently drooling over the Adidas Mangostin (5.0 oz) and the Adidas Cubato (6.2 oz). These look almost identical to the Concerto, my favorite flat, and are obviously supposed to be the ‘follow-up’. I am concerned however, that the upper isn’t as good – I like the way the laces looped directly into the Adidas ’stripes’ in the sides of the shoe in the Concertos. This seemed to really be a part of the glove-fit that is important in a flat. I think I will go with both pairs – the Cubatos for training/long races and the Mangostins for racing 10km and under… maybe even only 5km and under. I’ve never been much of an Adidas fan until I went flats-only. I don’t know anything about their trainers, but they make quality flats. — David (in Hamilton, Ont)

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You are not funny.  I just bought two pairs of Concertos and then you post this. Well, I did some investigating and I could only get information on one of the two new shoes you mentioned. About all I heard from the place was they were probably going to cost about $90.00 and they weren’t planning on carrying them. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a great article on the latest flats out for this spring in the March issue of Inside Triathlete. I am currently drooling over the Adidas Mangostin (5.0 oz) and the Adidas Cubato (6.2 oz). These look almost identical to the Concerto, my favorite flat, and are obviously supposed to be the ‘follow-up’. I am concerned however, that the upper isn’t as good – I like the way the laces looped directly into the Adidas ’stripes’ in the sides of the shoe in the Concertos. This seemed to really be a part of the glove-fit that is important in a flat. I think I will go with both pairs – the Cubatos for training/long races and the Mangostins for racing 10km and under… maybe even only 5km and under. I’ve never been much of an Adidas fan until I went flats-only. I don’t know anything about their trainers, but they make quality flats. — David (in Hamilton, Ont)

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There’s a great article on the latest flats out for this spring in the March issue of Inside Triathlete. I am currently drooling over the Adidas Mangostin (5.0 oz) and the Adidas Cubato (6.2 oz). These look almost identical to the Concerto, my favorite flat, and are obviously supposed to be the ‘follow-up’. I am concerned however, that the upper isn’t as good – I like the way the laces looped directly into the Adidas ’stripes’ in the sides of the shoe in the Concertos. This seemed to really be a part of the glove-fit that is important in a flat. I think I will go with both pairs – the Cubatos for training/long races and the Mangostins for racing 10km and under… maybe even only 5km and under. I’ve never been much of an Adidas fan until I went flats-only. I don’t know anything about their trainers, but they make quality flats. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) —

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Do you have any info on quad tears and rehab?  I detatched most if not all of my rectus 1 1/2 years ago and am still going, but with much frustration and pain.     Jack

Dear Jack, Get thee to an anatomy book.   The questions to test the knowledge of Jack’s body: Name the 4 muscles of the quadriceps Name the origin and insertion of each of the 4 muscles Which three of the muscles are monoarticular (move on joint) Which muscle is biaricular (moves two joints) Which two joint does the biarticular muscle move. Where was the tear in Jack’s  rectus femoris?    Where was the point of the tear:    musculotendon (origin side/ insertion side    insertion into the upper portion of the patella    between the patella and patallar ligament    at the insertion of the patellar ligament into the tibia Just making sure you’ve educated yourself. Some folklore: Finger First Aid from The Muscle Book by Paul Blakey   You can get his book info and where to get it by emailing Paul: years.  Paul was a regular contributor on rec.running a few years and then life and business got in the way. Rub origin and insertion of muscle, the two hollows beneath the patella and generally massage whole length of muscle. From the mind of Ozzie:  Transverse Friction or rubbing across the muscle fibers to get them to leg go and to work the fascia loose so that it allows the muscle to move freely and do what it is suppose to do:  contract as much as possible and let go/relax/elongate as much as possible with out straining or damaging the muscle. The opposite muscles, in this case, must be also able to relax as greatly as the quads or the quads have to not only articulate the thigh but also have to pull against an opposite muscle group that won’t let go  fully or is unable to relax completely See pictures at: http://www.mindfulness.com/of5.asp Ways I have people roll out the quads.  Use the stick on the quads. Great book I have used over and over is : The Hidden Causes of Injury, Preveniont and Corrrection for Running Athletes and Joggers by John Jessee, c. 1977.  I have the book to sell if you’re interested.  Just send a check for $15 made out to Int’l Assoc. of Marathoners, or IAM and mail it to IAM/Attn. O. Gontang 2903 29th Street San Diego, CA  92104 I’d suspect that the biggest culprit in your healing would be your posture while sitting. Posture: Its effect on Quads, Hams, Gluts And Some Things To Do About It   http://www.themestream.com/articles/187005.html Anyway here are some articles that might be of help.   Dealing With And Preventing Hamstring/Quad Injuries   http://www.themestream.com/articles/190671.html How To Running Quietly and Lightly Over Terra Firma   http://www.themestream.com/articles/189809.html A Ramble on the Problem of Being Hip:  Lessons from a Hip Problem http://www.themestream.com/articles/2.96543.html Your Piriformis May Effect Your Splay Feet and Bunions:   Thank You LeRoy Perry http://www.themestream.com/articles/276908.html My Cat Taught Me How To Stretch Properly http://www.themestream.com/articles/189876.html The Running Theory of GAPO http://www.themestream.com/articles/183188.html Proper Running Form and Style Prevents Most Injuries: A Non-medical diagnosis of a medical diagnosis http://www.themestream.com.articles.316467.html If you don’t have and want the 30+ other articles let me know. As you read and educate yourself, remember that fascia play an extremely important role in the ability of the muscle to move through its entire range of motion.  Fascia is the sheath or sausage skin that surrounds the muscle and allows to to move freely of other muscles.  During injury fascia can shorten.  Once shortened, it takes a great deal of work to loosen it. Sometimes dynamite is needed.  Othertimes jackhammers and pile drivers.  I think you get the message as to how strong fascia is. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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How do they propose to enforce this?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the US several states and cities tax professional athletes for a share of their income derived from playing in that town. don’t know about australia, but in those places that i know income taxes are due only after 180 days of residence per calendar year. this is pretty much standard. pete Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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I’ve not heard anything about this. Sounds like a load of crap to me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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don’t know about australia, but in those places that i know income taxes are due only after 180 days of residence per calendar year. this is pretty much standard. pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes.

No, that’s why *professionals* were barred. — — Bye,                 James

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In the US several states and cities tax professional athletes for a share of their income derived from playing in that town.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t know about australia, but in those places that i know income taxes are due only after 180 days of residence per calendar year. this is pretty much standard. pete Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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It is true, but my local newspaper reported an Aussie official as saying that the Aussies would not pursue it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve not heard anything about this. Sounds like a load of crap to me. Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Aaah, I was not referring only to the host city but also the different organizing committees.  Even though they are fictionalized see the Steve Prefontaine movies.  The Olympics leave a bad taste in my mouth.  Both from a historical account and the current doings of the IOC.  I do love the actual competition.  I would gladly pay to see it on the tube or web. Watching the bastardized NBC coverage (read American athletes only) where they switch to soap opera stories in the middle of competition and don’t explain the moves in the longer events.  I am almost tempted to go to Canberra and watch the TV coverage from there.  I can’t afford the AUD 1000 for front row seats.  I did pay the AUD 8.95 for the Australian 5 dollar athletics commerative coin my last visit down under.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I point you to David Martin’s book "The Olympic Marathon" for some Olympic history.  The Games were not a money maker until Los Angeles ($225 million profit I think).   Before that the IOC had no clue about marketing or selling the brand (now the most recognizable brand/logo in the world). Politics have played a role in the Olympics for a long, long time.  In 1956, the Hungarian v Soviet Union water polo match was pretty political.  The African nations threatened to boycott in 1968.  All that said, I would prefer that athletes not be punished for the transgressions of its country since the athletes rarely have anything to do with the decisions of its government (except maybe when Princess Anne competed in equestrian in Montreal). The Olympics will always be "elitist" in one sense or another just as the Army Rangers are elitist. Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics. These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa. dennis Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

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I thought it was the opposite. Proffesionals were banned. you had to be an amateur to compete, and the rules on this were very strict. That’s why it’s only recently that proffesional cyclists were able to compete, due to a change in the rules on this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics. These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa. dennis Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

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Jeff, You are absolutely correct. As an Australian lawyer (and runner), I can tell you that, while Australia’s tax laws on a strict interpretation would require payment of local taxes, in practice those taxes will never be collected, and I don’t expect that any attempt will be made to collect them. In addition, my understanding is that, as Sam has pointed out, this position is no different from tax laws in the US and most countries. Ross PS Thanks to David Owers for his contribution to international diplomacy. Before he makes comments about other people’s genetic deficiencies, he might want to learn how to spell and write grammatical sentences. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I couldn’t imagine Australia actually collecting these taxes.  The Olympics provides the host the chance to showcase their country and I don’t think taking half of an Olympian’s money makes a very good impression.  It just makes me wonder what is wrong with the country?  Do they actually need the extra couple million this might bring in for them?  and need it so badly that they are willing to steal from what are basically international athletic diplomats? Hopefully this is just based on some Australian lawyer’s literal interpretation of the law and not on what the Australian government has actually decided to do. -jeff Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Corrected Post: Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making money (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics.  These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa. dennis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

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I point you to David Martin’s book "The Olympic Marathon" for some Olympic history.  The Games were not a money maker until Los Angeles ($225 million profit I think).   Before that the IOC had no clue about marketing or selling the brand (now the most recognizable brand/logo in the world). Politics have played a role in the Olympics for a long, long time.  In 1956, the Hungarian v Soviet Union water polo match was pretty political.  The African nations threatened to boycott in 1968.  All that said, I would prefer that athletes not be punished for the transgressions of its country since the athletes rarely have anything to do with the decisions of its government (except maybe when Princess Anne competed in equestrian in Montreal). The Olympics will always be "elitist" in one sense or another just as the Army Rangers are elitist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics. These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa. dennis Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

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Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics.  These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa. dennis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

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Why should they be?  They started out in 1896 as elitist games.  The reason amateurs were barred so they wouldn’t compete with upper and middle classes. Until recently, everyone was making (Except Montreal) out of the Olympics except for the athletes themselves.  The hypocrisy of the Olympics is amazing.  1980, significant amounts of people were saying it’s wrong to inject politics in the Olympics when the USA boycotted the Olympics.  These same people kept silent or agreed on the ban of South Africa.

Too right about the politics issue.  Too bad, too… On the taxation issue, though, I guess I’ll have to be prepared to get an Australian tax levied on my salary earned during my next business trip to Australia…

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Well I can understand charging taxes on something as routine as baseball or something, but I had always thought the Olympics were supposed to be special. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually this occurs in the US.  Many cities can (and do I bet) send professional athletes a tax bill for income earned in that city even as a visiting athlete.  For instance, the Atlanta Braves (a baseball team) travel to New York twice a year to play the Mets.  That is probably 6 games of 162 game schedule.  Those 6 games represent about 4% of the schedule.  A player making 4 million dollars (US) per year would then owe taxes on $160K (4% of 4 million). I couldn’t imagine Australia actually collecting these taxes.  The Olympics provides the host the chance to showcase their country and I don’t think taking half of an Olympian’s money makes a very good impression.  It just makes me wonder what is wrong with the country?  Do they actually need the extra couple million this might bring in for them?  and need it so badly that they are willing to steal from what are basically international athletic diplomats? Hopefully this is just based on some Australian lawyer’s literal interpretation of the law and not on what the Australian government has actually decided to do. -jeff Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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What do you expect they were colonised by crooks it’s obviously still being a crook in there DNA. Dave Owers

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Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home.

What about their own medal winners?

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How are they planning on collecting this money? Hold the athlete hostage until he or she pays up? A lot of gold medal winners will high tail it out of Australia, never to return!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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I couldn’t imagine Australia actually collecting these taxes.  The Olympics provides the host the chance to showcase their country and I don’t think taking half of an Olympian’s money makes a very good impression.  It just makes me wonder what is wrong with the country?  Do they actually need the extra couple million this might bring in for them?  and need it so badly that they are willing to steal from what are basically international athletic diplomats? Hopefully this is just based on some Australian lawyer’s literal interpretation of the law and not on what the Australian government has actually decided to do. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Actually this occurs in the US.  Many cities can (and do I bet) send professional athletes a tax bill for income earned in that city even as a visiting athlete.  For instance, the Atlanta Braves (a baseball team) travel to New York twice a year to play the Mets.  That is probably 6 games of 162 game schedule.  Those 6 games represent about 4% of the schedule.  A player making 4 million dollars (US) per year would then owe taxes on $160K (4% of 4 million).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I couldn’t imagine Australia actually collecting these taxes.  The Olympics provides the host the chance to showcase their country and I don’t think taking half of an Olympian’s money makes a very good impression.  It just makes me wonder what is wrong with the country?  Do they actually need the extra couple million this might bring in for them?  and need it so badly that they are willing to steal from what are basically international athletic diplomats? Hopefully this is just based on some Australian lawyer’s literal interpretation of the law and not on what the Australian government has actually decided to do. -jeff Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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OOI how many of the posters here are members of triathlon clubs, as opposed to Masters groups or cycling clubs? I am, but only to get access to a pool. I’m curious to know if club membership is as common elsewhere as it is here in Sweden. Phil Squire http://w1.116.telia.com/%7Eu11602093/index.htm

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Yes, I’m a club member. The New Years Day Triathlon had about 40% of entries giving a triathlon club. This is probably on the low side since this race attracts a large number of novices Joel — Joel Sylvester Longest Day ‘98 12:10:33 Edinburgh Triathletes: www.edintri.u-net.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OOI how many of the posters here are members of triathlon clubs, as opposed to Masters groups or cycling clubs? I am, but only to get access to a pool. I’m curious to know if club membership is as common elsewhere as it is here in Sweden. Phil Squire http://w1.116.telia.com/%7Eu11602093/index.htm

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Club member here. Also part of a masters group and runners association. We’ve got a great cycling club here too, but I haven’t worked up the guts to ride with them yet. Tom Member of Tri Gulf Coast — http://www.sritri.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OOI how many of the posters here are members of triathlon clubs, as opposed to Masters groups or cycling clubs? I am, but only to get access to a pool. I’m curious to know if club membership is as common elsewhere as it is here in Sweden. Phil Squire http://w1.116.telia.com/%7Eu11602093/index.htm

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Phil Squire  says… OOI how many of the posters here are members of triathlon clubs, as opposed to Masters groups or cycling clubs?

Yep. Although around here most of the triathletes are also members of the local Jogging Club and the local Cycle Club.   AJ — If swimming is so good for the figure, explain whales Simon Haigh Illawarra Triathlon Club – Australia http://get.to/itc    

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OOI how many of the posters here are members of triathlon clubs, as opposed to Masters groups or cycling clubs?

I’d never belong to any club that would have me as a member.

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I’d never belong to any club that would have me as a member.

-Groucho Marx

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Does anyone know of a ready-made tri screensaver for the Macintosh? Brian Sullivan

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 * snip * I think there are better pics to be found on some of the individual pages out there, like yours, Tricia, or Marty’s.  Tricia, may I use a picture of you on my screen saver?

Hell, Stacy, why use a picture of a TriBaby when you can snag that fab shot of Karen Smyers on the bike in Kona ‘95 off of Marty’s page?  Go ahead and use me if you really want to ("Oh, yes, use me, do with me what you will!"), but it sounds kinda scary to me! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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HELP         I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.         Troy

Troy – I simply cut the picture of my latest purchase a NEW tequilo as my wallpaper and I get lots of questions from co-workers… Jeff Andres

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You’re right, Tricia.  Against my better judgement I surfed over to the ITU sight to see these pics(first I had to go to Yahoo! to find out where the damn thing is).  I wish now that I’d listened to that little voice and not given them the hits on their pages.  All the pics were of Emma Carney aka "I can beat Mark Allen if he has the guts to show up", or the winners on the podium, or a bunch of wheel sucking drafters.  I didn’t end up downloading one. I think there are better pics to be found on some of the individual pages out there, like yours, Tricia, or Marty’s.  Tricia, may I use a picture of you on my screen saver? Mr. Stacy J. Hills  Tricia Richter wrote in article … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, all the images from ITU World Cup races in 1997 are downloadable for free from the ITU web site (or else a link to the ITU-photo site), and as such can be used for screen savers. This isn’t my idea; this little piece of   info comes from Colin Whelan, the Australian photographer whose agency has the ITU contract to shoot all the races — and he’s pleased if people want to make screen-savers out of the images. Yeah, but Troy said he wanted a TRIATHLON screen saver……

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Yeah, but Troy said he wanted a TRIATHLON screen saver……

RIGHT ON, Tricia!! John (Faith) Ft. Washington, MD

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HELP    I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.    Troy

 There are 2 sold by UltraCoach and one given away free at the website 1. Official Ironman 2.  Official Scott Tinley

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HELP    I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.    Troy

I use Microsoft scenes and various race shots available on the internet. You may need Paintshop Pro or a similar program to manipulate image size and format.  Otherwise, it’s easy and works great, and I assume other screen savers have similar customizing options. My beef – no good tri images on line?  Any help there would be appreciated. Bob Johnson LArgo, FL

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I have written a little program that ’swaps’ in a bitmap file on a Windows 95 or NT 4.0 desktop. You set the directory where your bitmaps are located and set a time interval to change the images. The program runs in the background and appears in the icon tray. It is not quite done (what software ever is), I’m still adding a few features like ability to use JPEG’s and GIF’s the UI is a little rough but it works great. I place all kinds of bitmaps into one Dir. and let-er-rip. If you would like to give it a spin e-mail me Michael Dickson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HELP    I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.    Troy

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roy Here’s what I did.  I went to CNET and downloaded a free version of "Amazing JPEG Screen Saver".  Next step is to collect your favorite TRI pics and save them as JPEG files.  The Screen Saver will then search for the JPEG files and use them as pictures for the screen saver.  Very Cool and Very Free.  It’s also a nice way of putting pictures of your family (or in my case an ultrasound of my future son) on the screen – assuming you have access to a scanner.

Where do we find CNET? — Derek Theriault Equipe de triathlon Universite Laval SAS 2254, PEPS Universite Laval Ste-Foy, PQ, Canada G1K 7P4 Fax 418-656-5749 Tel 418-845-3793

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Troy wrote (and Carlos answered)       I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give. Here’s what I did.  I went to CNET and downloaded a free version of "Amazing JPEG Screen Saver".  Next step is to collect your favorite TRI pics and save them as JPEG files. Apparently, all the images from ITU World Cup races in 1997 are downloadable for free from the ITU web site (or else a link to the ITU-photo site),

and as such can be used for screen savers. This isn’t my idea; this little piece of   info comes from Colin Whelan, the Australian photographer whose agency has the ITU contract to shoot all the races — and he’s pleased if people want to make screen-savers out of the images.

Yeah, but Troy said he wanted a TRIATHLON screen saver…… Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – roy Here’s what I did.  I went to CNET and downloaded a free version of "Amazing JPEG Screen Saver".  Next step is to collect your favorite TRI pics and save them as JPEG files.  The Screen Saver will then search for the JPEG files and use them as pictures for the screen saver.  Very Cool and Very Free.  It’s also a nice way of putting pictures of your family (or in my case an ultrasound of my future son) on the screen – assuming you have access to a scanner. Where do we find CNET? —

Nowadays, just try the obvious… www.cnet.com  will get you there. It’s a big site but they have a search engine. Mike "TriBop" Tennent WebRunner Running Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html My Model Railroad Page http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/srr/

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Troy wrote (and Carlos answered)       I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.       Troy Here’s what I did.  I went to CNET and downloaded a free version of "Amazing JPEG Screen Saver".  Next step is to collect your favorite TRI pics and save them as JPEG files.

Apparently, all the images from ITU World Cup races in 1997 are downloadable for free from the ITU web site (or else a link to the ITU-photo site), and as such can be used for screen savers. This isn’t my idea; this little piece of info comes from Colin Whelan, the Australian photographer whose agency has the ITU contract to shoot all the races — and he’s pleased if people want to make screen-savers out of the images. Mousepads, too, I guess. Go see what’s there. Katherine Williams Triathlon Sourcebook

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   I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.    Troy

Here’s what I did.  I went to CNET and downloaded a free version of "Amazing JPEG Screen Saver".  Next step is to collect your favorite TRI pics and save them as JPEG files.  The Screen Saver will then search for the JPEG files and use them as pictures for the screen saver.  Very Cool and Very Free.  It’s also a nice way of putting pictures of your family (or in my case an ultrasound of my future son) on the screen – assuming you have access to a scanner. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Florida

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HELP         I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.         Troy

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Get a photo that you like, scan it and make it your screen saver.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon HELP    I am trying to find a triathlon screen saver besides the inside tri screen saver. Does anyone know of another or a way to make your own. Thanks for any input anyone can give.    Troy

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I would like to be a legend in more than my own living room.

Next weekend we have an ultra iditasport which is 320 miles of self propelled pleasure from big lake, ak to mcgrath, ak.  you have to mail yourself food and supplies c/o general delivery to the villages along the route which follows the iditarod dog mushing trail.  only 19 entries and the organizer says if half of them finish it was too easy.  one of the participants will continue on to nome, attempting to break the self propelled record for covering the iditarod trail – 21 days i think. if you want to be a legend, then why are you entering someone else’s races.  try making your own.  maybe a swim around the world race.  you’d probably be a legend then, assuming the sharks didn’t eat you.  maybe you don’t taste appealing, who knows? — Lake & Boswell Consulting Electrical Engineers, Inc. 543 3rd Avenue, Suite 206 Fairbanks, Alaska 99701 VOICE:(907)452-1441  FAX:(907)452-1444

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Having done about 50 short triathlons, several marathons, crosscountry ski loppets and an ironman tri, I feel invincible and somewhat unchallenged. The ultra triathlon sounds appealing due its distance and stage format. Are they satisfying as an event? Are there any spectators, recognition, glory, etc? I would like to be a legend in more than my own living room. I’ve heard of Ultraman Canada and Hawaii; are they organized for this year? Is it easier than an ironman as it is divided into stages? Laszlo

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Does anyone out there know how to make GU?

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Does anyone out there know how to make GU?

Ingredients: 1 Powerbar 1/2 cup water Blend Powerbar and water at high speed in blender for 3 minutes.  Throw away contents.  Eat blender — "The wrinkles only go where the smiles have been." — J. Buffett

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I actually do know how to make GU.  Well not quite GU but a carbo loading Gel.  I did a years worth of research and was going to come out with my own GU but felt that the market got to crowded to waste my time.  As an innovation, I came up with the idea of putting it in a Tube and decided that the market wasn’t big enough.  Guess I was wrong considering that Shot has done so well.   Anyway, the main ingredient in all of these gel products is complex carbohydrates.  These complex carbohydrates are essentially one step removed from straight starches, ie. corn starch, rice starch etc.  The main ingredient in most of these products is maltodextrin which is modified corn starch.  When you modify corn starch the resulting product is a powder which contains "dextrose."  The resulting product is defined by what is called "DE"  which is short for Dextrose Equivalent.  The  more that you modify corn starch the higher the DE.  The higher the DE the less complex the carbohydrate until you get to DE100 which is straight Glucose.  DE 100 has only one molecule of carbohydrate and is the most quickly absorbed by the body, while the lower DEs are the most complex but the slowest to be absorbed by the body.  Corn Syrup is an example of DE100.  DEs from 1 to 25 are considered maltodextrins while those from 26 to 100 are considered dextrose. The biggest problem in producing a product that people want to eat is that the lower the DE the blander the product.  The higher the DE the sweeter the product.  Therefore you have to mix the right amount of DE1 to DE25 with the right amount of DE 100 to give you enough sweetness to make people want to eat it while making it complex enough for people to be able to use it as a slowly absorbed carbohydrate.   The other problem is what is called "Osmotic Pressure"  The higher the DE the higher the osmotic pressure.  If osmotic pressure in the solution is higher than the osmotic pressure in your blood stream, then your body won’t absorb the solution.  Much like when you drink straight Grape Juice.  Grape Juice is made up of mostly glucose which has a high osmotic pressure and the percentage of grams per ounce of solution is about 40g per 16 ounces, which is high.   Therefore, because of the high osmotic pressure, it sits in your stomach and doesn’t go anywhere, instead it sloshes.   It is the same with creating a solution with a high osmotic pressure. Complex carbohydrates as a percentage of solution have a lower osmotic pressure than the same percentage of DE100.  Therefore, you can force more DE1 to 25 than you can the higher DEs, but again the problem is that it doesn’t taste good so you have to get the combination correct. Another problem is that the lower DEs thicken too much when they get cold, therefore you have to add other ingredients to keep them fluid, essentially keeping the lower DEs from bonding together when they slow down.  The same way you add salt to ice to lower the freezing temperature. Unfortunately, you can get maltodextrin from certain companies that make corn syrup, but you have to buy large quantities.  Pallets loads of 40-100 pound bags.  Even so there are certain distributors who carry the lower DEs but they are hard to find. To answer your questions then, you need 5 table spoons of DE19 combined with one Tablespoon of DE100, flavor, you can use Koolaid, and to keep it in solution try a bit of pectin.  It will make it bitter, but it works. Let me know what you think. In my experimentation I actually invented a new product that I thought would provide much greater benefits to  the triathlon community than a new gel.  I should have it in stores in February.   If anyone wants to know more, let me know.  This is not an advertisement, just trying to share a lot of hard earned knowledge. Psycho Fred – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone out there know how to make GU?

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I saw Welch spectating at the San Diego Triathlon Challenge on Saturday and asked him about his condition for IMH.  He said he’s been going to a therapist daily, and currently, his range of motion in his right shoulder is about 85%. (up from about 50% the day after his crash in Boulder.) He’s swimming daily, is leaving for Hawaii in a couple of days, and hopes and plans to be 100% on race day.   He was personable and friendly, and spoke like he WILL be there.  My money is on Greg.

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He was personable and friendly, and spoke like he WILL be there.  My money is on Greg.

Well, that’s good news. I guess I misread the comments on the Inside-Tri web site. <shrug ER, AMTV, Triathlon! http://www.cisfi28.demon.co.uk/

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That’s the great thing about r.s.t.  Whatever our question, someone’s got the answer.  No better way to end a debate than to go directly to the source.  Thanks, B. Evansitt, for your on-the-spot report!  Glad to hear Welchie will be in the hunt and make IMH even more interesting by giving the Germans a "run for the money." –Lee ("Call me ‘Tri-Guy’ if no one else has claimed the handle") Crumbaugh

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I am having trouble with carrying or finding enough water for my long training runs.  I have seen people bicycle carrying a Camelbak on their back, but I don’t recall seeing anyone running with them.  I would think this might be a good solution when running in relatively remote areas where water is hard to find.  (I have tried an Ultimate butt pack, but unless I tighten it to the point where it is uncomfortable, it shifts around a lot.)  The obvious drawback of the Camelbak is the weight. Has anyone tried a Camelbak for running? Jeff Mazer

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Camelbak or Ultimate make water carriers that resemble a backpack in construction and therefore should have good weight distribution and stability.

| I am having trouble with carrying or finding enough water for my long | training runs.  I have seen people bicycle carrying a Camelbak on their | back, but I don’t recall seeing anyone running with them.  I would think | this might be a good solution when running in relatively remote areas | where water is hard to find.  (I have tried an Ultimate butt pack, but | unless I tighten it to the point where it is uncomfortable, it shifts | around a lot.)  The obvious drawback of the Camelbak is the weight. | | Has anyone tried a Camelbak for running? | | Jeff Mazer

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: Has anyone tried a Camelbak for running? I’ve been using an Ultimate TorsoPak for running.  I tried using a Camelbak but found that it moved around too much on my back, the straps slid off my shoulders, and the bottom dragged on the top of my butt (I’m not very tall). The Ultimate Torsopak holds 72oz, has a chest strap and a hip/waist strap, doesn’t move at all and is otherwise very comfortable.  Its great for long runs where there is no water available.  They make an even bigger one for mountain adventures, but I figure 5lbs of water is probably enough for anything I’d do. Just a funny aside–I wore this thing in a recent half marathon and at the beginning of the race a short guy with an ENORMOUS belly and no shirt on ran beside me for about 1/2 mile saying "why are you wearing that?  It sure looks heavy."  "Looks so heavy, why are you wearing that?"  "I’d sure never wear a thing like that!"  It was all I could do to not look at him and say something about the extra 25lbs he wears 24 hours a day.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: ix.netcom.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!usenet Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: InterAccess, Chicago’s best Internet Service Provider Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: d100.nnb.interaccess.com I am having trouble with carrying or finding enough water for my long training runs.  I have seen people bicycle carrying a Camelbak on their back, but I don’t recall seeing anyone running with them.  I would think this might be a good solution when running in relatively remote areas where water is hard to find.  (I have tried an Ultimate butt pack, but unless I tighten it to the point where it is uncomfortable, it shifts around a lot.)  The obvious drawback of the Camelbak is the weight. Has anyone tried a Camelbak for running? Jeff Mazer

I’ve used an Ultimate Torsopack (one bottle) for quite a while and it works pretty well.  Recently though, I’ve needed more capacity, so I got a Camelback Go-Be (it is more like a fannypack rather than a backpack).  It holds about 40 oz. and it works pretty well for those long runs.  You still have to get it pretty snug so that it doesn’t jump around, but it is definitely better than running with a regular Camelback. -Kent-

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| Has anyone tried a Camelbak for running? |

Yes. It doesn’t work. They tell you to cross the strips but that’s   nonsense. The splashing will make you mad in no time. — Pirmin Braun; BIW GmbH; Werkstr. 24; 71384 Weinstadt; Germany Phone: 0049 7151 602 204; Fax: 0049 7151 602 341 #include <StandardDisclaimers.h

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