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I just finished my first duathalon this morning so I’m now an expert.

So where’s the race report????  <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 4 months & Counting

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I just finished my first duathalon this morning so I’m now an expert. So where’s the race report????  <g

<G I was waiting for the times to get on the Web to make sure they got them right (I’m sure that I would never have forgotten to push the split button). OK, it’s coming this evening. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner about two months ago. I run 2-4 miles five times a week. I started bike riding/training a month ago twice per week. Mileage varies. I have done two races. 1-3 mile, 1-5 mile. I am doing a duathlon next week. 3 mile run/17 mile ride/3 mile run. I have read lots on nutrition and know what What is the best way to get all I need to maintain all I need during the race besides water? Bars, gels, banannas?, etc… Recomend particular brand? Thanks for any advice.

For that distance, an energy drink – one you HAVE used during a bike ride, should be sufficient. I did a similar race this weekend. I decided I’d just use water and one Gu about 1/3 of the way into the bike, since I planned to push it a bit harder than usual to see where I am on the bike training. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 4 months & Counting

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Hi, Mike, I am doing a duathlon next week. 3 mile run/17 mile ride/3 mile run. I have read lots on nutrition and know what What is the best way to get all I need to maintain all I need during the race besides water? Bars, gels, banannas?, etc… Recomend particular brand?

I just finished my first duathalon this morning so I’m now an expert. My approach (others may have a different view) is to keep things as simple as possible and still get the job done. I agree with Barry and Vincent that food during the event can have unforeseen consequences unrealted to nutrition. On the other hand, having some sports drink on the bike really helped me a lot. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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I’m new to multisport races, too. I’ve been running for a little more than a year, and here’s what I plan to do during my (first) triathlon. -Banana an hour before race time. -Powerbar half an hour before race time. -Coming out of the swim, have a full bottle of Gator-/Powerade to drink over the course of the bike. Have a gel at the beginning of the bike. -Have another gel if I need it at the end of the bike. Generally, I find that consuming bars during an event can get tricky, so I stick to gels during and bars before and after. I’d imagine that having something with electrolytes on a longer race would be beneficial over just water. I’m not sure if it’s worth all those nasty burps over the course of the race, but I get those regardless from my banana. I have no clue how it’s going to work for me, but that’s my battle plan. Good luck with your duathlon. Let us know how it goes. =) –Vincent

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner about two months ago. I run 2-4 miles five times a week. I started bike riding/training a month ago twice per week. Mileage varies. I have done two races. 1-3 mile, 1-5 mile. I am doing a duathlon next week. 3 mile run/17 mile ride/3 mile run. I have read lots on nutrition and know what What is the best way to get all I need to maintain all I need during the race besides water? Bars, gels, banannas?, etc… Recomend particular brand? Thanks for any advice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner about two months ago. I run 2-4 miles five times a week. I started bike riding/training a month ago twice per week. Mileage varies. I have done two races. 1-3 mile, 1-5 mile. I am doing a duathlon next week. 3 mile run/17 mile ride/3 mile run. I have read lots on nutrition and know what What is the best way to get all I need to maintain all I need during the race besides water? Bars, gels, banannas?, etc… Recomend particular brand?

Over that distance you don’t need to worry about taking in food during the race anyway. You could consider drinking a sports drink instead of water if you particularly want to take in some extra calories, but plain water is probably just as good. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for any advice.

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I am a new runner about two months ago. I run 2-4 miles five times a week. I started bike riding/training a month ago twice per week. Mileage varies. I have done two races. 1-3 mile, 1-5 mile. I am doing a duathlon next week. 3 mile run/17 mile ride/3 mile run. I have read lots on nutrition and know what What is the best way to get all I need to maintain all I need during the race besides water? Bars, gels, banannas?, etc… Recomend particular brand? Thanks for any advice.

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You may want to check with the Overtons shop in Charlotte on South Boulevard. Their phone number is 704-527-8083. You may also want to call someone at the Charlotte Triathlon Club. They may be of bigger help. their website is www.charlottetriclub.com There are several contact phone numbers on their contact page. They may know of some local bike shops, that handle tri related stuff.

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I’m thinking about signing up for a Half IM in May and was wondering if anyone knows where I can rent a wetsuit in / around Charlotte, NC. Thanks in advance Brian

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That sound about right.  Glycerol takes fluid and stores it between cells.  It allows your body to  supersaturate the area between cells so the fluid is available for later use.  Be sure to follow directions closely.  If not you could be in for some serious dehydration.  The glycerol will absorb most available fluid.  You’ll also feel kind of bloated.  If the conditions are hot you probably won’t have to use the bathroom.  If cooler you may not need glycerol.  Always experiment in training! FWIW Chris

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I have been using the Pro-Hydrator at my last 2 races, both Olympic. For my weight I go with 6 oz. in 1.5 liters. It is a lot to drink. You feel a little bloated but not bad, and you don’t really go to the bathroom any more than normal, since all the extra fluid is "stored" in the body. It seems to be working pretty well for me. I am practicing to be able to use it confidently at IronMan Canada this year. Definitely try it in training a few times before race day. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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thank you so much for the advice. i really enjoy the exchange of knowledge and ideas that were presented throughout this newsgroup! you guys/gals rock! keep tri-ing =) -warren

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The idea is that you decrease urine output because of the increased water retention from the change in osmolality in plasma. There was one abstract that I read that says the effect sticks around for up to 40 hours so hyperhydrating the day before may be beneficial. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought a bottle of Pro Hydrator recently because I heard it helps keep the body more hydrated during endurance events. I should of read the directions more carefully because I was rather shocked to see what the dosage was after I got home. For my weight (165 lbs.) it suggested that I mix 8 oz. of Pro Hydrator with 2 qts. of my choice of beverage. Then I should drink the mixture 2 hours before my event and finish it 1/2 before the event starts. This next part will expose my lack of experience in this area, but isn’t 2 qts. of fluids a lot to drink before an event such as a 1/2 ironman? I can’t help but think of all the times I will be stopping to use the bathroom during a race. Did I interpret the directions wrong, or am I just paranoid? Thanks. -Warren

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I just bought a bottle of Pro Hydrator recently because I heard it helps keep the body more hydrated during endurance events. I should of read the directions more carefully because I was rather shocked to see what the dosage was after I got home. For my weight (165 lbs.) it suggested that I mix 8 oz. of Pro Hydrator with 2 qts. of my choice of beverage. Then I should drink the mixture 2 hours before my event and finish it 1/2 before the event starts. This next part will expose my lack of experience in this area, but isn’t 2 qts. of fluids a lot to drink before an event such as a 1/2 ironman? I can’t help but think of all the times I will be stopping to use the bathroom during a race. Did I interpret the directions wrong, or am I just paranoid? Thanks. -Warren

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The ultimax socks are freat for narrow as well as wide feet (I have an A width foot).  I stay away from thick socks at any distance especially thorlos. I’ve never complete a run wearing thorlos without massive blister problems. OF course I stopped trying to wear the two pair of thorlos after two or three runs in each pair all of wich lead to blisters.  So it jut goes to show like almost everything else we are all individuals and you need to test things out to see what works for you. Tom : I would say for long distances wear some thicker socks (or socks with : some kind of padding) like Thorlos. The thin coolmax ones work for me : too. I’ve used them to run half-marathons, but I don’t think they can be : used for much long distances. Well…or maybe it depends on your running : style. I’m pretty light as it is. : Conal

: : : : I can only run is the super thin Coolmax Ironman Triathlon : : socks from Ultimax. (mostly because my barges er feet are so wide.) : : Different socks for different feet…. : : : : : : Johnny : : : :

: : : : : : Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive : : than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the : : cost. : : : : LB : : socks won’t make you a better runner : : : : I’ve noticed my feet not only stay drier in ThorLo’s, but have much less : : frequency of shin discomfort since using them.  So, if you can run more : : because you’re injured less . . . gee, I guess maybe socks *can* make you a : : better runner. : : Artemis

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The double layer Coolmax ones are excellent.  Ever since using them, I do not get blisters which in the past, was a given when running anything over 18 miles on my two crooked toes. Now even after marathons, no blisters……

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Try the "Ironman Triathlon" ones…..they’re the best IMO

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Try the "Ironman Triathlon" ones…..they’re the best IMO

I’ve always wondered about those socks… do the triathletes wear them while swimming too? -Laurel Amberdine

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For a thin socks, I sell mostly smartwool ultra-thin running- http://st5.yahoo.net/ghp/smarrunulthi.html but thorlo makes a great lightweight- http://st5.yahoo.net/ghp/noname3.html for a thicker sock that keeps your feet dry, either the smartwool running- http://st5.yahoo.net/ghp/smarrun.html or the thorlos running http://st5.yahoo.net/ghp/runningthorlos.html Good luck, Art – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would say for long distances wear some thicker socks (or socks with some kind of padding) like Thorlos. The thin coolmax ones work for me too. I’ve used them to run half-marathons, but I don’t think they can be used for much long distances. Well…or maybe it depends on your running style. I’m pretty light as it is. Conal : : I can only run is the super thin Coolmax Ironman Triathlon : socks from Ultimax. (mostly because my barges er feet are so wide.) : Different socks for different feet…. : : : Johnny : : : : : Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive : than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the : cost. : : LB : socks won’t make you a better runner : : I’ve noticed my feet not only stay drier in ThorLo’s, but have much less : frequency of shin discomfort since using them.  So, if you can run more : because you’re injured less . . . gee, I guess maybe socks *can* make you a : better runner. : Artemis

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I would say for long distances wear some thicker socks (or socks with some kind of padding) like Thorlos. The thin coolmax ones work for me too. I’ve used them to run half-marathons, but I don’t think they can be used for much long distances. Well…or maybe it depends on your running style. I’m pretty light as it is. Conal

: : I can only run is the super thin Coolmax Ironman Triathlon : socks from Ultimax. (mostly because my barges er feet are so wide.) : Different socks for different feet…. : : : Johnny : :

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: : Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive : than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the : cost. : : LB : socks won’t make you a better runner : : I’ve noticed my feet not only stay drier in ThorLo’s, but have much less : frequency of shin discomfort since using them.  So, if you can run more : because you’re injured less . . . gee, I guess maybe socks *can* make you a : better runner. : Artemis

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I can only run is the super thin Coolmax Ironman Triathlon socks from Ultimax. (mostly because my barges er feet are so wide.) Different socks for different feet…. Johnny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the cost. LB socks won’t make you a better runner I’ve noticed my feet not only stay drier in ThorLo’s, but have much less frequency of shin discomfort since using them.  So, if you can run more because you’re injured less . . . gee, I guess maybe socks *can* make you a better runner. Artemis

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Thorlos are great(I’m waering them now) *but* they are thick, and may not fit in your normal shoe size.  Im wearing them this winter, then I’ll switch back to Wigwam Ultimax(my faves). Scott Hoffman

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Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the cost. LB socks won’t make you a better runner

I’ve noticed my feet not only stay drier in ThorLo’s, but have much less frequency of shin discomfort since using them.  So, if you can run more because you’re injured less . . . gee, I guess maybe socks *can* make you a better runner. Artemis

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If you’re around Boston, the Ultimax socks are available at MVP Sports (a local (?) chain). — Ray Charbonneau R107 – End User Computing The MITRE Corporation – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? I’ve tried several brands and nothing beats Wigwam Ultimax socks. They are made of Coolmax, they are very durable and comfortable.

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I use both Thurlo and Ultimax. I use the Ultimax, with a coolmax liner sock, for long runs over 2 hours. I’ve found the Thurlos tend to hold moisture more so use them on shorter runs of up to 2 hours. I like the "cushioning" of the Thurlos, but they do compress over time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ernsign asked: What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? I’ve tried several brands and nothing beats Wigwam Ultimax socks. They are made of Coolmax, they are very durable and comfortable. I get mine at REI for $6.75/pair I agree with Phil on the Wigwam but many also have good luck with Thorlo, although Thorlo tend to be thicker. Some people the like additional thickness. — Caveat Lector!

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Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the cost. LB

socks won’t make you a better runner

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Runner wrote in article Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the cost. socks won’t make you a better runner

But bad socks may make you a worse runner if they cause blisters or chafing during a run. — Don          

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I’ve been running in cotton socks, which are comfortable and which I, perhaps erroneously, believed would keep my feet drier. Now, I read in Runner’s World that acrylic socks are better because the wick away moisture. What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? Thanks! Ernie

        I always wear Kodiak work socks.It gets pretty cold here(Canada) and these keep my feet warm year round.In summer they don’t seem to give me blisters as much as cotton socks did,you just have to make sure there are no wrinkles in the toes.  :)         Pedro (freezing my butt in the northlands)

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Thor Lo socks are the only socks I run in. They are a bit more expensive than other brands though… the comfort they provide is well worth the cost. LB

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What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry?

I’ve tried several brands and nothing beats Wigwam Ultimax socks. They are made of Coolmax, they are very durable and comfortable. I get mine at REI for $6.75/pair http://www.rei.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2219&prm…    -Phil

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What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? I’ve tried several brands and nothing beats Wigwam Ultimax socks. They are made of Coolmax, they are very durable and comfortable. I get mine at REI for $6.75/pair http://www.rei.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2219&prm…    -Phil

I buy my Wigwam socks at justsocks.com

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ernsign asked: What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? I’ve tried several brands and nothing beats Wigwam Ultimax socks. They are made of Coolmax, they are very durable and comfortable. I get mine at REI for $6.75/pair

I agree with Phil on the Wigwam but many also have good luck with Thorlo, although Thorlo tend to be thicker. Some people the like additional thickness.   — Caveat Lector!

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I’ve been running in cotton socks, which are comfortable and which I, perhaps erroneously, believed would keep my feet drier. Now, I read in Runner’s World that acrylic socks are better because the wick away moisture. What socks do you all recommend for running, with an eye to keeping the ol’ toes dry? Thanks! Ernie

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try a pair that are made from coolmax    you will never go back in fact my shirts are also coolmax    great stuff Rich Chicago IL

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I have been a triathlete, and thus an avid cross-trainer for over 15 years. The key things when training for more than one sport are to keep everything in balance and to try and get the absolute most out of every work-out. Sometimes this means breaking the rules for training in one particular sport. I work as well and have family commitments. Some things have to go.Some are completely unrelated to sports ie. I watch very little TV. Others are directly related to sports ie. I don’t have time for weight training per say. However, I have taken the time to read and learn that weight training in a weight room offers little conversion to improved fitness and performance on the road. What does work is power work-outs in the specific sports – hills for running and cycling. Also you have to be realistic in your goals. To you truely want to ne a multi-sport athlete or are you looking for great performances in just one sport. Figure out what you really want to do and then structure your time and training accordingly. Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, I enjoy running and cycling equally.  I also like to lift weights (especially for my upperbody strength).  Regretfully, like many of you, I work 40 hours a week.  Can anyone suggest a training schedule that incorporates these 3 exercises, but does not favor cycling to the detriment of running or vice-versa. All of the cross-training materials I have seen suggest doing activities other than running only ONCE a week, running 4-5 days a week, and 1 rest day.  I want to improve in my running AND cycling. As for the weightlifting, 2x a week is plenty for me.  Any suggestions?  Can I improve my running and cycling simultaneously and not have to sleep in a cardboard box because I’ve quit my 40+ hour a week job?  Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Mr. Otis

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Mr. Otis, It will be very important for you to find the proper balance of the activities you wish to utilize for cross training. Because they are different activities with different muscular demands, intensities can stay higher day to day, one activity being a break or recovery from the other. Can some weight training be accomplished at home say in 15 to 20 minutes following a run or ride? Can some riding or running be done at the gym on the treadmil or bike? I would recommend you start training with a heart monitor and learn to use it to make your training sessions productive and efficient. Read Sally Edwards book Heart Zone Training. Her system which is based on sound sport science research, is time based all determined by your personal goals and available time. Sally is and exercise physiologist and a world class endurance athlete. She is also the leading US expert in heart monitor based training. Her web site is http://www.heartzone.com. It contains a lot of information. Good luck. Bill Stainbrook Physical educator, endurance athlete and coach

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What kind of running races do you want to do well in? If you run mostly 5k and 10k’s like I do, skip the long run and go for a long bike ride once a week (for me (20 – 30 miles). I also try to ride 1 or 2 more times 10 to 16 miles. During the week I run at noon I will take it easy otherwise try for more intensity. In the past I would ride three times a week and run three times a week alternating between cycling and running. This worked out pretty well. Now I can run at noon time so I have increased my running and decreased my cycling somewhat. Bill Fasula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, I enjoy running and cycling equally.  I also like to lift weights (especially for my upperbody strength).  Regretfully, like many of you, I work 40 hours a week.  Can anyone suggest a training schedule that incorporates these 3 exercises, but does not favor cycling to the detriment of running or vice-versa. All of the cross-training materials I have seen suggest doing activities other than running only ONCE a week, running 4-5 days a week, and 1 rest day.  I want to improve in my running AND cycling. As for the weightlifting, 2x a week is plenty for me.  Any suggestions?  Can I improve my running and cycling simultaneously and not have to sleep in a cardboard box because I’ve quit my 40+ hour a week job?  Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Mr. Otis

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Hi,         I am lucky that I go to work every day on my bike, giving me the base milage. So I just have to fit the running. But, to answer your question, you have to make choices. Even being very efficient in everything you do you will run out of time. Social life take a toll too.         Not loosing time is the only way I could do more, but that even is a choice. I call loosing time: watching tv (most of it), some of the paper reading. But it feels so nice sometime to just relax and do nothing for a while. even if it means watching a "stupid" show on TV.         I liked one of the running book I read that had a chapter about psychology of the runner. How running can become an drug, and ruin the rest of your life. I did consider the problem last fall when I was training for a marathon trying to qualify for Bostson (I failed). It was becoming more and more clear that I have to make a deal with my wife about priorities, when and how much BEFORE you take the time. I think it is the same even if you are not married, as long as you understand what you are giving up social and work wise to fit your trainning.         Pascal.

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Greetings, I enjoy running and cycling equally.  I also like to lift weights (especially for my upperbody strength).  Regretfully, like many of you, I work 40 hours a week.  Can anyone suggest a training schedule that incorporates these 3 exercises, but does not favor cycling to the detriment of running or vice-versa. All of the cross-training materials I have seen suggest doing activities other than running only ONCE a week, running 4-5 days a week, and 1 rest day.  I want to improve in my running AND cycling. As for the weightlifting, 2x a week is plenty for me.  Any suggestions?  Can I improve my running and cycling simultaneously and not have to sleep in a cardboard box because I’ve quit my 40+ hour a week job?  Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Mr. Otis

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A couple of points, 1.  I think that Shimano is upgrading their 105 components to 9spd next year. If so it might be desirable to get the 800 model instead of the 600. 2.  The CADD3 frames (and I assume CADD4) have a better feel than the previous versions and are not quite as hard on you.  IE: a 94 model. 3.  Before you switch out your STI levers consider how you will be using the bike.  If you intend to ride it without using the Aero Bars you might want to hold on to it. 4.  Good luck trying to switch out anything.  I was told by Cannondale that the components could not be switched.  I wanted to get a tubular version of the tire instead of clinchers.  Despite the fact that the cost was the same they refused to do this.  The local bike shop can swith things out for you but since it will cost them you can figure that they will pass this cost onto you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)     2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. (No need for a forward position post, I think the Control Tech model would be perfect.)     4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.(I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.     Anyway, good luck shopping, and if you have any other questions you can email me. Chris To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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Man… I’ve been seeing this post up for a LONG while…  I’m very surprised that you haven’t sold it yet, its a real steal.  Its a shame that I bought my new Cannondale R200 just one week before I noticed this great deal!! Every time I see this post I think, "Damnit!! If only I had waited!!"  Oh well… good luck and I hope you sell it. No… that’s not true.  I hope you don’t sell it and start triathlons again!!  You’ve got the hardware, now all you need to do is train!!  Believe me… its more fun than you can imagine!!! – Salvador Santolucito III – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are interested in a Cannondale tri-bike I’ve got one for sale. Its a 56cm R700, this was before cannondale came out with the multi-sport models. It does have 650c wheels and I think the seat tube angle is 75 degrees. It has 105 components like the multisport 800 and grip shift on the scott aero bars.  It is in great shape. Except for one tiny, hardly noticable dent in the top tube the bike looks like new. I bought it because I thought I would start triathlons, but I decided to just stick with road racing, so it has very little miles on it. This bike rides very nice and is light weight, definatly beats the multisport 600. I’m asking $700, let me know if your interested. Chris

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: I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks : like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey : aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in : general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or : family.  Any takers? You might want to check into Bicycling Magazine. Their June and July issues looked at alumin[i]um bikes, including the C 600. You can read their comparative review at:          www.bicyclist.com/road_test/9807/alum/alum.html Think you’ll find it helpful — and good luck with the big purchase. Madeleine "tri bikes are a *little* pricey?" Page

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If you are interested in a Cannondale tri-bike I’ve got one for sale. Its a 56cm R700, this was before cannondale came out with the multi-sport models. It does have 650c wheels and I think the seat tube angle is 75 degrees. It has 105 components like the multisport 800 and grip shift on the scott aero bars.  It is in great shape. Except for one tiny, hardly noticable dent in the top tube the bike looks like new. I bought it because I thought I would start triathlons, but I decided to just stick with road racing, so it has very little miles on it. This bike rides very nice and is light weight, definatly beats the multisport 600. I’m asking $700, let me know if your interested. Chris

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Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)<<

Absolutely useless is a pretty strong term. Some people, including top pros,  like the STI shifting. With a 75-degree seat angle, the drop bar/STI  position is OK for most riders. If you are sized right and positioned correctly in the aero position, however, your best position is the aero position, followed by the brake hood position. The down on the drop bars position is not as good. Not a bad idea to switch to bar-end shifting with Diacompe brake levers, but it is very hard to find any 8-speed bar-end shifters these days. The MS-600 is 8-speed.  2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.<<

I agree with that. The low-end Profile Century bars that come with the MS-600 are not very good–  Junk. You can improve your position by using Syntace or Profile Split Seconds.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. <<<

75 degrees is OK for many people. So is 78.  Some people like 73. All subject to endless debate. Depending on how you fit on this particular bike, a Control Tech post turned around forward can help to dial in an ideal position, others are just fine on the Cannondale post. I ride a Cannondale MS-1000 which is the same 26-inch wheel, Cad 3 frame and the Control Tech post works well for me. The Cannondale tri bikes have longish top tubes compared to bikes like QR or Felt. The Control Tech can fix that for some people without compromising the handling. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. <<<

You really only need to push a seat forward on the rails to dial in your position a little bit.    4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)

The MS-600 comes  with Look pedals. The MS-1000, which as the Ultegra 9-speed group, does not.     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)

It also comes in a dark purple (Grape). If the shop can get touch-up paint. Great. But I’ve had good luck finding inexpensive and very close-to-matching colors at auto parts shops     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.<<<

The 1997 Cannondale MS-600 and 1000 are both top-end Cad-3 frames and come with an aluminum aero fork. The same fork as the QR Illuminero, standard on last year’s QR Tequilo. (QR uses a really nice carbon fork, Carbonero, this year.) (I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.<<

The Kestel-made Slice fork (very nice) was available on the Cannondale R-4000 and 1000 road bikes earlier this year. I don’t think you can get them now on the new models. — Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA Oceanside, CA

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To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.

Neal, I have ridden an R700 since I purchased it new in 94.  It was then Cannondale’s low-end multisport bike with 650 wheels.  It is a bit different from the current MS600 but similar enough that my experience may be of some worth to you. I ride about 200-300 miles a week (mostly on the R700) and race often (always on the R700).  Originally, I found the ride to be "obstinantly harsh."  Since then, I have added Spinergy wheels which add significant flexibility/cushioning on rough roads. These wheels are great training and racing wheels: never need trueing and are somewhat aerodynamic.   This year, I had a QR Carbonaero fork installed which also added some cushioning.   I would not think of going on long rides without the Carbonaero fork or the Spineregys. I have upgraded the original Shimano 105 drive train as it wore out; the chain rings, rear cogs, crank arms, and bottom bracket were replaced with Dura Ace and the derailleures with Ultegra. I had some problems in the first few months with the arm rests coming loose on the Profile aerobars and had to install some replacement parts but those replacements have served well since then.   All in all, a good bike that can race with the best of them. Good Luck. Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)     2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. (No need for a forward position post, I think the Control Tech model would be perfect.)     4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.(I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.     Anyway, good luck shopping, and if you have any other questions you can email me. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Netters– The complete results for every finisher (including relay teams) from last weekend’s Motorola Austin Marathon are available on the Runner Triathlete News web site.  Simply click on: www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews to access them.  You’ll find them in the Race Results section (naturally). The men’s race was particulary interesting, as the first five runners finished within 15 seconds of each other. Lance Phegley Editor Runner Triathlete News www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews

Actually, I was at the finish, and would swear the first four were within 1.5 seconds of each other.  It was literally a pack sprint — they were tripping over each other into the chute.  Amazing.  If anyone saw a photo, I’d appreciate knowing about it.  I think the timer spread them out somehow. Dan

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I run 6 times a week sometimes seven the most milage i’ll put in for a week is 50 -60. Running is not like lifting weights, you don’t have to give the muscle group a break unless your body tell you  it needs one. gradually build your way up stay at 30 minute jogs for 2 to 3 weeks then move up a bit.  a good book to get for beginning runners i the runners handbook by bo Glover. good luck.

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        I somewhat disagree with the notion that you do not have to give the muscles a break as one does in strength training.  However, while one may run alomost every day, the intensity does need to change to give the muscles an "easy" day.  In strength training, one will often use the muscle to volitional fatigue.  This is sort of like running intervals. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I run 6 times a week sometimes seven the most milage i’ll put in for a week is 50 -60. Running is not like lifting weights, you don’t have to give the muscle group a break unless your body tell you  it needs one. gradually build your way up stay at 30 minute jogs for 2 to 3 weeks then move up a bit.  a good book to get for beginning runners i the runners handbook by bo Glover. good luck.

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Netters– The complete results for every finisher (including relay teams) from last weekend’s Motorola Austin Marathon are available on the Runner Triathlete News web site.  Simply click on: www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews to access them.  You’ll find them in the Race Results section (naturally). The men’s race was particulary interesting, as the first five runners finished within 15 seconds of each other. Lance Phegley Editor Runner Triathlete News www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews

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I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

        I would recommend slowing the rate of increase.  I subscribe to the 10% rule:  Never increase your mileage (or minute-age) by over 10% from one week to the next.  By my rough calculation from Day 1 to Day 2 you increased 25% and then from Day 2 to Day 3 increased 20%.         Could be that you got glycogen depleted  if you were not replenishing your carbo stores.         Also some people run every day and take great pride in their streaks of days running.  I personally and professionally find this to be an unsound practice for just about anyone.  Many world class runners take a day off once a week or every other week (of course they are freaks of nature anyway).         Plan a few days off here and there and relax or hit the gym and lift weights!

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Sounds like you are progressing very quickly.  You may have had problems because you are simply tired.  You might want to increase the durations of your runs a little more slowly.  Also, it may help to take a day off after a long run.  When I increase my mileage/duration, I try to run the same distance/time a couple of times before I increase.  It seems to allow my body to get used to the new mileage/duration; therefore, making it easier to increase to the next level.  maria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

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run 30-40 minutes straight off, doing this 4-5 times a week is a different matter.  Running regularly puts strains on your muscles that your body needs to get used to.  Reduce the length of your runs and build them up again slowly. Five runs of eight minutes each is probably better for a beginner can one run per week of forty minutes. I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day?

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Ann, I agree with Mike and Madelaine.  Running is harder on the body than your other cross training.  Read INSIDE RUNNING by David Costill, 1986, Cooper Publishing, if you want to understand why.  My guess is that you just did too much too soon.  Don’t get discouraged by this. Chances are that if you stick to the 10% rule you could increase your training and run 6 or 7 days a week injury free.  If you train smart. By the way, you don’t say what made you stop but if it was shin pain or any foot or leg pain use ibuprofin and ice.  Ice 15 to 20 minutes. Good luck. Johnny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Ann: Listen to Madelaine. The above paragraph is one of the best pieces of advice for newbies.

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I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

The answer is that different activities use muscles differently. Running requires sharp/quick contractions of the muscles, while biking and walking (for example) require slow contractions. The muscles/tendons take some time to condition themselves to each activity. Avid joggers jog everyday. Ray Mascia

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: Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? It depends. Most everything does. I don’t. I run three times a week maximum and walk or cross train on other days. But I’m injury-prone and middle aged. Other people with younger bodies or ones that are a bit better designed than mine can do more. You have to (a) treat yourself with respect (b) listen to what your body tells you (c) be conservative in how much training you do at first, never letting yourself get overtaken by enthusiasm to the point where you radically overtrain.

Ann: Listen to Madelaine. The above paragraph is one of the best pieces of advice for newbies. Everyone is different in what their body can take and how fast they recover. You need to find out what your body needs. Remember, what you are doing is stressing the body, which reacts by re-building itself stronger. One of the keys is allowing recovery time to do this rebuilding. That means rest days, especially for new runners. Err on the side of rest at first. As you gain experience,  you’ll be able to do more – safely. Mike "TriBop" Tennent Remove "garbaage." for email reply http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/ WebRunner Running Page My Model Railroad page IMC ‘98 IronVirgins Website

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Sounds like you are progressing very quickly.  You may have had problems because you are simply tired.  You might want to increase the durations of

i agree. and it is a slight change for your system to get used to . i wouldn’t worry about it. You probably did great the next day some days when i run i just feel very lethargic.  just run through it best you can and then tomorrow you’ll have a better run As for "avid" joggers (I’d have to count myself in there), when i’m lifting weights heavily i usually do 5x a week. When i’m not lifting weights heavily I usually do 6 to 7 a week (6 if i do a long run , 7 if not) -ben

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I’d say most runners take days off. The most common schedule I hear is one day a week. I also hear of 3 and 5 day day a week runners.

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I jog 4 to 5 miles a day 6 days a week. Been doing it now for 3 1/2 years. 42 years old and until age 39 avoided exercise like the plague:-) Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

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I’m new, too and I had a similar prob a couple of times.  One of the times was diet related.  I hadn’t eaten well during the day (I jog in the evening) and didn’t have the stamina – not out of breath but my body and mind had no energy.  The other time I had run 3 days in a row and the 4th day I just couldn’t keep my posture good and my body ached.  I also got out of breath too soon.  Now I jog every other day and inbetween I lift weights or swim.  On the days I jog now, I feel stronger and can go on and on just fine.  I hate running, though and do it to get into shape.  But I’ve noticed that if I don’t run for a few days in a row, I become irritable and restless, perhaps gloomy or blue also.  Maybe I’m addicted to the endorphins my brains produces.  So, I’m stuck.  I just havta run!                 |  |                _|  |               (____)                     O O    SKATE ON, BABY!                                 — Marilyn —

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Hi Ann,     I will give you my .02 for what it is worth.  I have been running about a year and a half and it took me some time to work up to running 5-6 days in a week (I don’t run everyday because I like to do other thing to give my running muscle a rest.)  I follow a few rules every time I start a new activity or sport.  First realize that even though you may exercise you are working different muscles so there will be some adapting that your body will have to do.  Second don’t try to do it all right away.  How does this apply to you.  I think you should try running a few days a week and say 3-4 depending on how you feel, and increase the mileage and frequency slowly.  I have used the 10% rule that you may hear many RR talk about. Increase mileage 10% a week.  Try to schedule some rest days in as you start and as you progress you might try to cut back on mileage say every fourth week before going up again (so it would be 3 or 4 weeks increase mileage and then decrease one week and repeat). Hope this help, and happy running KARL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

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: I am a new runner.   And I’m somewhat of a born-again runner, so I know the excitement you’re going through. : However, I am in pretty good condition from : consistent Nordic Trekking … : years of lifting weights, : and daily walking.   I was in somewhat similar shape when I went back to running six months ago. What I quickly found was that all the walking and strength training made me strong aerobically and strengthened my legs. Running, however, makes very specific demands on your legs — especially, in my case, my lower legs and most markedly my shins — that walking and treadmills and other sports and leg extensions don’t prepare you for. : My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My : first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third : time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after : I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and : after 5 minutes I could not continue.   Be grateful that you got the sort of warning from your body that you couldn’t ignore. Otherwise, you could have gone blithely on and given yourself a chronic injury. : Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? It depends. Most everything does. I don’t. I run three times a week maximum and walk or cross train on other days. But I’m injury-prone and middle aged. Other people with younger bodies or ones that are a bit better designed than mine can do more. You have to (a) treat yourself with respect (b) listen to what your body tells you (c) be conservative in how much training you do at first, never letting yourself get overtaken by enthusiasm to the point where you radically overtrain. You also need excellent shoes and post-run stretching. Madeleine "enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!" Page

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why couldnt you continue? was it a physical problem or mental? i have run for 19 years and still find days when i am just not up to it mentally. then there are days when i dont want to stop. keep at it. good luck.    chad

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Anne, I’m a newer runner and have experienced similar feelings.  I started more slowly then you did, but every now and then I will hit a day or days when I feel like I’m made of lead and jogging 30 minutes becomes a near impossibility. I usually take this as a sign that I should take the next day off and do upper body work.  When I take a day off,  I find that if I jog the following day I have more energy and stamina than ever.  I think you have to listen to your body and sometimes push it a little bit, but not be afraid to say, ok, today isn’t the day for this. Hell, there’s nothing wrong with taking a day off now and then, hah? Enjoy!  I know I have (except for those killer days!) Heather

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I am a new runner.  However, I am in pretty good condition from consistent Nordic Trekking (30 minutes on the thing, 5 x a week, sometimes 45 minutes on bike for a change), years of lifting weights, and daily walking.  My question is this:  I just started jogging.  My first time out I jogged 30 minutes, my second time 38 minutes.  My third time 45 minutes.  I felt fine and like I could continue.  The day after I jogged 45 minutes I went for what was going to be a short jog and after 5 minutes I could not continue.  Is this typical?  Do you avid joggers jog every day? Thanks for the input.

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 Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                   Matt Patout

Matt P.,     Get you butt back to Baton Rouge where you can swim with the Crawfish,  run in the 95 degree heat and 95% humidity and bike up and down River Road to your hearts content.  In fact,  if you hurry up,  you won’t miss our annual 10K swim next week!  Otherwise,  if you just can’t find time to train…I might be interested in buying your QR bike! John Rybczyk

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       When I say work, I am talking about at least 50 hours a week of a prof. type career that frowns upon athletics.  I have recently entered the real world arena from a long stay in college and find that athletic ventures are frowned upon.  It seems strange to me that people with kids and other "regular" hassles are understood, but leaving work early to get in a ride will not help the climb up the corporate ladder.  I have basically been trying to operate under- cover (as an athlete).  I am sure that if your boss is an athlete that this is much easier, but I doubt that I will find many athletes in my "chosen" career.  Along the same lines, why is it that so many people seem to not comprehend an Ironman athlete’s ability to juggle the two.  I am really tired of hearing that you can’t do both.  I realize that I can’t go 8:00 at the same time that I am trying to be the richest man in the world, but I would settle for a happy medium of wealth and fast times.  I understand that living in athlete friendly areas should be better than Manhattan, but some people’s career paths do not lead directly to Boulder or San Diego.  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                   Matt Patout

I was in a very similar situation at one time.  Bottom line: I changed jobs. Yeah, I know…sounds simple, but in reality may not be a possibility. But interestingly, in the next job I took, my boss (who knew little about athletics) wanted people who had active outside interests.  In his case, he was a gourmet cooking enthusiast.  On our project team we had community volunteers, scout leaders, a race car driver, a number of adjunct college faculty etc.  What a great, diverse team. Meanwhile, I had no idea that the others knew anything about the specifics of my running/tri activities until I returned from my first Ironman Canada and my office was decorated with balloons, streamers etc.  The next day I brought in the finisher certificate/medal/photos…they were truly excited. Since then, I make sure that time comittments are clearly understood upfront when beginning a new program.  And that is not to say that long hours and travel are out of the question; quite to the contrary.  But if I am ramping up for an Ironman, it’s only fair to all involved (me, boss, co-workers) that this be understood before problems arise. Augie Calabrese

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Stop whining and deal with it.  To compare childcare and other real responsibilities with the selfish pursuit of triathlon is ridiculous. If you want to work, work. If you want to play, play. — Bill Benson

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      When I say work, I am talking about at least 50 hours a week of a prof. type career that frowns upon athletics.

Not all employers are like this and the career does not dictate attitudes towards athletics. I understand that living in athlete friendly areas should be better than Manhattan, but some people’s career paths do not lead directly to Boulder or San Diego.  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.

Yes.  Location does not really matter.  It’s finding an employer that allows true work/life balance that will support your endeavors. I consider myself very fortunate to be working for such a company. David

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I question as to whether I could still train seriously if I worked a very demanding job with a commute every day.  I’m in a really good situation, working for an office that my only contact with is by phone and computer. I schedule my own field visits and get to work at home a day or two per week.  This means that I get to schedule my work and workouts very efficiently and on days when I work at home, there isn’t any problem with sneaking out for a midday ride or swim–I just put in a few extra hours working in the evening.  Most of my field travel is by car, which means the bike accompanies me alot of the time.  As the business community allows more telecommuting and overall freedom, things can only improve for part-time athletes.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       When I say work, I am talking about at least 50 hours a week of a prof. type career that frowns upon athletics.  I have recently entered the real world arena from a long stay in college and find that athletic ventures are frowned upon.  It seems strange to me that people with kids and other "regular" hassles are understood, but leaving work early to get in a ride will not help the climb up the corporate ladder.  I have basically been trying to operate under- cover (as an athlete).  I am sure that if your boss is an athlete that this is much easier, but I doubt that I will find many athletes in my "chosen" career.  Along the same lines, why is it that so many people seem to not comprehend an Ironman athlete’s ability to juggle the two.  I am really tired of hearing that you can’t do both.  I realize that I can’t go 8:00 at the same time that I am trying to be the richest man in the world, but I would settle for a happy medium of wealth and fast times.  I understand that living in athlete friendly areas should be better than Manhattan, but some people’s career paths do not lead directly to Boulder or San Diego.  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                   Matt Patout

Matt, This is purely anectdotal, but a quick scan through the top results from IMC this year and I don’t see BOULDER or SAN DIEGO on the first few pages of results. Sure these are great places to train, but if the results at IMC are any indicator, it does not ensure success. A fair numbner  of people seem to live in large cities – Vancouver, Toronto, Salt Lake City, Berlin, Clevelend, Johannesberg, Santiago(Chile) – and a number of people live in smaller places – such triathlon training hotbeds as Guelph(Ontario), Cobble Hill(B.C.), Olympia(Wash). Other than a handfull of the very top finishers(top 5) all finishers have jobs of one sort or another, so it is possible to combine a job and do resonably well at triathlons even at the Ironman distance. Clearly, sacrifices have to be made and it’s not always going to be smooth sailing, but it can be done. As for your own work situation, I suggest that you have to sort out how important triathlons are to you relative to your job/career. It is easy for me to say, but perhaps another job may be better for your particular situation or maybe your work is more important now. The key thing to do is be honest with yourself, honest with your employer and honest with others in your life that may depend on your livelihood(spouse, family etc . .). I know many sub 10 hour and even some low 9 hour Ironman athletes who work full time and some even have a family as well. It can be done. A few key words: Organization, Quality, Patience, Consistancy. Good luck. Steve Fleck

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Matt P.,    Get you butt back to Baton Rouge where you can swim with the Crawfish,  run in the 95 degree heat and 95% humidity and bike up and down River Road to your hearts content.  

Remember Matt, that Christian Bustos trained in Baton Rouge for a couple of years before he finished 2nd in Hawaii. You don’t necessarily need hills to be good at them, I live here in Mobile, and we don’t have many hills either, but I am more of a hill specialist, I do much better on hilly courses. Mike Plumb

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Stop whining and deal with it.  To compare childcare and other real responsibilities with the selfish pursuit of triathlon is ridiculous.

Chill out man, the guy has a valid question.   If he can’t ask it here, were can he ask it?    Finding a balance in training and work is a serious health issue, not only on a personal level but also at the corporate level.

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Matt, Laura is right, to a degree. I worked in Manhattan and commuted to LI every day I was in the office (2 hours each way). I also traveled quite a bit. It does require some juggling and doing the short quality stuff during the week and the longer stuff on weekends.  Last year I changed jobs and moved to VA. My boss is a marathoner so he understands.  I also don’t hide what I do for fun. As a VP of Sales, I want people to know they can and should work hard but also find time to balance other things in their life like family, rock climbing, tris, whatever. I think it makes them better all around professionals. BTW, I also made up my mind about 10 years ago to determine what financially successful meant to me.  And, what I was willing to give up to have it. You’d be surprised at some of the mental gymnastics I went through in answering those questions. However, it did help me focus my life a bit better. Good luck Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (ROSE PATOU) writes: Matt. it isn’t easy, but it can be done. ( I work 45 hours a week and just did my first IMC ). The reality is that 99% of the population will never appreciate athletic priorities — unfair, but true. Your average manager can’t run two blocks, let alone do a tri. Best not to talk about training, races, etc. at work. As for training, you can train for tri’s, including the IronMan if you can get up early, and train in one sport before work, (better anyway, less traffic and polution); train after work and keep that workout short and save the long stuff for the weekends; if you can be flexible in your schedule, recognizing that there will be times when you won’t be able to adhere to a rigid plan. Lot’s of folks have done it. Good luck  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                  Matt Patout

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 I understand that living in athlete friendly areas should be better than Manhattan, but some people’s career paths do not lead directly to Boulder or San Diego.  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                  Matt Patout

I can definitely sympathize with you, but I took the cowards way out. I decided I didn’t need to be rich, just comfortable and do what I like. I work nights 10 hr shifts sometimes 60-70 hrs a week. I also have two kids ( girls 9 & 12, also athletes ) that I have to take care of. This is the first year after 9 that I started to become competative in the age groups. But you have to know what you want or how long you can put it off til you get there.   A couple tips if you want. Early morning masters swim. You get into the routine of rising early and training, a must… Quick routes around the neighborhood, 20-30 minute runs or bikes b4 dinner.  And if you’re into it, save your vacations for training immersion. I live in Miami so hills are out of the question. Each year I go for 1 week to do hill and mountain work. Maine, N.C. and this year, Boulder ( yes there is a heaven on earth! ). Go see the sights eat the food and train to your hearts delight.. Good luck, and hang in there….

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      When I say work, I am talking about at least 50 hours a week of a prof. type career that frowns upon athletics.  I have recently entered the real world arena from a long stay in college and find that athletic ventures are frowned upon.  It seems strange to me that people with kids and other "regular" hassles are understood, but leaving work early to get in a ride will not help the climb up the corporate ladder.  I have basically been trying to operate under- cover (as an athlete).  I am sure that if your boss is an athlete that this is much easier, but I doubt that I will find many athletes in my "chosen" career.  Along the same lines, why is it that so many people seem to not comprehend an Ironman athlete’s ability to juggle the two.  I am really tired of hearing that you can’t do both.  I realize that I can’t go 8:00 at the same time that I am trying to be the richest man in the world, but I would settle for a happy medium of wealth and fast times.  I understand that living in athlete friendly areas should be better than Manhattan, but some people’s career paths do not lead directly to Boulder or San Diego.  Is there a world out there for poeple to have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                   Matt Patout

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(ROSE PATOU) writes: Matt. it isn’t easy, but it can be done. ( I work 45 hours a week and

just did my first IMC ). The reality is that 99% of the population will never appreciate athletic priorities — unfair, but true. Your average manager can’t run two blocks, let alone do a tri. Best not to talk about training, races, etc. at work. As for training, you can train for tri’s, including the IronMan if you can get up early, and train in one sport before work, (better anyway, less traffic and polution); train after work and keep that workout short and save the long stuff for the weekends; if you can be flexible in your schedule, recognizing that there will be times when you won’t be able to adhere to a rigid plan. Lot’s of folks have done it. Good luck  Is there a world out there for poeple to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -have a financially succesful career while racing.                                                  Matt Patout

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Does anyone have any info on the Nantucket triathlon this weekend?  Is it Sat or Sun and what distance?  I may hop over to the island at the last minute….Thanks.

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Does anyone have any info on the Nantucket triathlon this weekend?  Is it Sat or Sun and what distance?  I may hop over to the island at the last minute….Thanks.

My information is that this race has been canceled!! Eric Averill

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David. When you’re finished e-mail the story to me and I’ll post it for you.  I’m sure a lot of people would like to read it. If they don’t they can always ignore it. Congratulations. Bob

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I’ve written a long-winded description of the first two legs of my first international-distance triahtlon, but my service provider’s news server refuses to post it. (An editorial comment I suspect; suffice to say I am not Tricia Richter, the writer or the triathlete.) Should any of you still have an interest in reading such rantings, I’d be happy to send it by e-mail. Here’s a sample, so you can decide whether you want to commit the bandwidth: The International: Self-Deception Made Good I