Do they work for anybody out there?, I always try the free sample breath rights I get in my race packets. They don’t seem to hinder my running, but they also don’t seem to help my breathing any. They mostly act as a distraction to get my mind off the race. Any thoughts? Any science?
From http://www.sportsci.org/traintech/breatheright/fch.htm Summary. Breathe right nasal strips have little or no effect on the amount of air that passes through your lungs, or on the amount of oxygen you can extract from the air during exercise. Performance of and recovery from maximal endurance exercise by normal healthy adults under normal laboratory conditions also appears to be unaffected.
From http://www.sportsmedicine.about.com/health/sportsmedicine/library/wee… 11298.htm Some experts think it is likely, that the performance benefits are in the mind of the user – it makes them feel as though they can perform better. And any sport psychologist will tell you that the power of positive thinking may just be the key to a great performance.
The only positive studies I found were from Breath Right’s own site http://www.breatheright.com/ae/ For proof Breathe Right
Hi, Coming from a primarily cycling background I know just where I need to be in relation to my max hr when it comes to training at or above my Lt but I read somewhere that the Lt for running is a different # since we’re now involving many more muscle groups, hence a potential to reach Lt much sooner. Can anyone point me in the direction of some literature that talks about run training using aerobic ranges as well as Lt? Thanks, Troy "The new guy with all the questions"
This should help answer many of your questions… The Triathlete’s Training Bible : A Complete Training Guide for the Competitive Multisport Athlete — Joe Friel — Mark
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Coming from a primarily cycling background I know just where I need to be in relation to my max hr when it comes to training at or above my Lt but I read somewhere that the Lt for running is a different # since we’re now involving many more muscle groups, hence a potential to reach Lt much sooner. Can anyone point me in the direction of some literature that talks about run training using aerobic ranges as well as Lt? Thanks, Troy "The new guy with all the questions"
Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth? The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch. Before you buy.
to reiterate – please don’t feed the troll – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth? The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch. Before you buy.
The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch.
I feel Zach could talk crap too. He is probably the best Ironman to never win Hawaii, his results in Roth speek for themselves! my2c j-
Have you all forgotten the proper response to a troll? Come on, we all learned it! "Please don’t waste your time with me. I’m just a little Billy Goat. " "My brother will be along shortly, and he’s MUCH bigger and tastier than I. " Chuck Hull "All I ever needed to know I learned in Kindergarden." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to reiterate – please don’t feed the troll
But then they wouldn’t, would they! Phil
| Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. | | Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth? The way I | see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit | about Welch. | | | Before you buy.
Your full of shit!! If you got it, then use it. Besides, he’s married, whats he got to show off. Get a life you idiot!!!
Hi Richard, You fell into a trap. Hey…wouldn’t it be fun if JHansen showed up on race day?? T. Before you buy.
Hi Richard, You fell into a trap. Hey…wouldn’t it be fun if JHansen showed up on race day??
What race, perhaps a challenge is what I need to put down the doughnutz and the supersized meal deals from Mcdonalds But then again if you have been following recent threads, I could be schwing and have already been there on race day. John Hansen Sarasota Fl.
Geez . . . . Halloween was two weeks ago . . . .howcum all these trolls are just now showing up?
years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" John- You can sniff out your style of writing a 1000s of miles away. Chill out and go dis some of your other newsgroups for a while. Come back and then play nice.
Mark, what evidence do you have to present the RST court to substantiate your claim? If you’re going to convict someone in public, you should at least be able to back up the claim in public. Either that or take your own advice and chill on the JHansen attack (or take it to email, like others have said). Regardless of if it’s John or not, the best way to handle trolls is just to ingore them. You’ve been around long enough to know that… David / FEY2K – IMCAL (remove spaces) at att dot net
Mark, I got onto you yesterday a bit about how you flamed John Hansen’s question about the Hoyt’s marathon times. I thought he had a good point, and prestented it appropriately. After reading further, it became obvious that you and others have had encounters with him before, and immediately felt it was a troll. I felt like I might have screwed up a little. Now I know I screwed up, and feel I should appologize for the somewhat sarcastic reply. I have lurked around here for some time, but rarely post. I recognize many names of posters, but obviously not all. Sorry for the sarcasm. Richard "but I still think you could run faster pushing someone with the right type of equipment" DaVico * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" well I’d like to say that this Deblah stuff still holds true… Deboom is a poser… He’s not third, hes the second loser… He’s to much of a pretty boy……. other posers: welchie….damn drunken aussie… wingnut…only in the excorcist have I seen better puke
John- You can sniff out your style of writing a 1000s of miles away. Chill out and go dis some of your other newsgroups for a while. Come back and then play nice. You wrote the same fricken thing, under your normal "JHansen882 people have memories? Maybe you don’t- so why don’t you click this link to refresh yourself: http://x35.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=459197406&CONTEXT=942888494.21416509… Cheers! Mark Linenberg o __o </_ < __/ /o_ (()) (()) /
Mark, don’t know what your deal is, why your out to get me, I have only 1 username, thats jhansen882, happy or sad thats where I post from, Again you have taken something out of context…In the post you have linked here…i was asking if anyone remembered that thread, If your memory is so good you would recall that the entire newsgroup was playing "remember this thread" and I asked about the Deboom deblah thread. I suppose your going to try and pin that thread of years ago on me also…..Mark, i know the tri season is over you might be a little wound up…go do a cyclocross race,,or snow will be here soon go do some xcskiing… cheers John Hansen Sarasota Fl.
actually your finest post was this one: http://x29.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=428812972&CONTEXT=942888829.2043346970&hitnum=9 maybe it’s time again for the confessional? cheers! Mark Linenberg o __o </_ < __/ /o_ (()) (()) /
years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" well I’d like to say that this Deblah stuff still holds true… Deboom is a poser… He’s not third, hes the second loser… He’s to much of a pretty boy……. other posers: welchie….damn drunken aussie… wingnut…only in the excorcist have I seen better puke
Geez . . . . Halloween was two weeks ago . . . .howcum all these trolls are just now showing up?
This one is the same troll under a new nick.,….. John "Ad astra per aspera" "A rough road leads to the stars"
I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
Only if I could wear water wings. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio?
The biggest ratio I have seen is the Escape from Alcatraz race; it has (I believe) a 1.2mile swim and an 18 mile bike. Vanessa
Do you have stock in local mortuaries or a new underwater breathing apparatus? I am shocked you can type so well with the webbed fingers. The 10/10/10 scenario would be similar to an X-terra Mountain bike, rock climb, and white water kayaking where the mountain bike is through Tibet (swim), the rock climb (bike) is held in Clearwater Florida, and the white water kayak (run) is held in a pond in Nebraska. Sorry for the vent. 
PS. Make sure post race prizes are sponsored by Nair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? A 10K SWIM??? While I would like to see the swim portion of many races longer, I don’t think a 10K across-the-board tri makes much sense, particularly for the bicycle portion. A 10K swim would take even very good swimmers hours, whereas a 10K bike would only last about 15-20 minutes. Separating the three into more equivalent time periods seems to make more sense. For instance, I’d like to see the swim portion of sprint tris be a mile instead of a half mile or less. I realize that the swim has been made shorter to encourage people to participate in triathlons, however. It is a bummer for those of us for whom swimming is our best sport of the three, though. 
Shea
For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio?
A 10K SWIM??? While I would like to see the swim portion of many races longer, I don’t think a 10K across-the-board tri makes much sense, particularly for the bicycle portion. A 10K swim would take even very good swimmers hours, whereas a 10K bike would only last about 15-20 minutes. Separating the three into more equivalent time periods seems to make more sense. For instance, I’d like to see the swim portion of sprint tris be a mile instead of a half mile or less. I realize that the swim has been made shorter to encourage people to participate in triathlons, however. It is a bummer for those of us for whom swimming is our best sport of the three, though. Shea
While that looks nice on paper I think that once you actually start racing the time you spend is grossly disproportionate. For an elite swimmer, let alone the avg triathlete, that’s around a solid 2 hrs of swimming. While the rest of the race with competition of that level would be less than half that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
I don’t know If I would be a big fan of this format. This would be one race that would be very favourable to the strong swimmer.The swim would take , what around 2 1/2 hours, the bike leg about 14 min and the run about 40 min for an above average triathlete. There was a race back in the 80’s, I can’t recall the location other than it was somewhere on the east Coast of the US and it was an equilateral triathlon with respect to time – roughly. This seems to me a fairer way of doing things. Say, work on the distances that an above average triathlete can do in an hour – 2.5 mile swim/25 mile bike/10 mile run. I am surprised that this fomat has not caught on. Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
They have a race in Westport CT that seems to be equal for each discipline. It has a .5 mile swim. 5 mile bike then a 2.2 mile run. This helps the strong swimmers out tremendously. This being the only reason I do this short sprint race. Charles Garabedian Make Money- http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=baa154 Tri World- http://come.to/triworld
That sounds a little extreme, since the time needed to complete the splits would be really disproportionate; there aren’t too many people who would be willing to tackle an Ultraman-distance swim, which could take, what, 2-3 hours, and then jump on the bike for 15-18 minutes. But I’ve often thought it would be neat to do an event in which the splits took about the same amount of time — maybe a 1-1.2 mile swim, a 10-12 mile bike, and a 4-5 mile run. Each leg would come in around 25-30 minutes (for me); it seems like such a format would be a boon to swimmers, and require participants to have a more balanced approach to competing. FWIW… David "Guilty! Guilty! My evil self is at the door — and I have no power to stop it!" http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8374
They have a race in Westport CT that seems to be equal for each
discipline. It has a .5 mile swim. 5 mile bike then a 2.2 mile run. This helps the strong swimmers out tremendously.
Sounds fun. Actually it STILL isn’t quite fair for swimmers (about a 9 minute swim vs maybe 12 – 13 minute bike & run for top athletes), but MUCH fairer than most. When is it? Probably too short to make it worth travelling that far though! -hug (who wouldn’t mind a 5k/5k/5k!) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Hmm… let’s see, for me, that’d be about a 4 hour swim segment, 15 minute bike segment, and 50 minute run segment. Ummm… I’ll pass on the 10/10/10. Proportionally, the closest you’ll get to parity would be an Olympic distance race (1500m/40K/10k).
Hi, It was the "Equalizer", North Shore Triathlon. North Shore of Boston Suburbs. It was a 4 mile swim, 51 mile bike and a 15 mile run. Low key – great race. Best Always, Dave Fish
In article For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? The biggest ratio I have seen is the Escape from Alcatraz race; it has (I believe) a 1.2mile swim and an 18 mile bike.
The Alcatraz swim is actually 1.5 miles (when it’s actually done from the Rock). — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html
That sounds a little extreme, since the time needed to complete the splits would be really disproportionate; there aren’t too many people who would be willing to tackle an Ultraman-distance swim, which could take, what, 2-3 hours, and then jump on the bike for 15-18 minutes.
Yeah, it is extreme. Still, it holds an attraction for me. I guess no one else is interested in the 10k/10k/10k. Maybe a 5k/5k/5k would be better. About lop-sided times– that’s what got me thinking about this. Most tri’s already have lop-sided leg times, with swimming getting the short end of the stick. So I started wondering about biking getting the short end. But I’ve often thought it would be neat to do an event in which the splits took about the same amount of time — maybe a 1-1.2 mile swim, a 10-12 mile bike, and a 4-5 mile run.
This is also very interesting to me. Maybe I’ll look around for one of those. -Steffi
: Hmm… let’s see, for me, that’d be about a 4 hour swim segment, 15 minute : bike segment, and 50 minute run segment. : Ummm… I’ll pass on the 10/10/10. : Proportionally, the closest you’ll get to parity would be an Olympic : distance race (1500m/40K/10k). And I won’t go into my really lengthy diatribe with supporting data (you can probably find it in dejanews), just the semi lengthy one – in addition to the potential fairness of equal time in each leg, which I think would be an interesting though I think swim favoring format, eg. Steve’s 2.5/25/10 example, there is already a reasonable form of fairness in International distance IF you look at the time _differential_ between an elite/expert in each leg and an average competitor. That is, look at how much time a good swimmer gains on a mediocre swimmer (not just how much time the good or mediocre swimmer spends on the course). Same for the bike and run. If you look at, say, the 95th percentile split in each discipline vs. the 45th, you will find that the amount of time to be gained or lost is very much the same order of magnitude. You can even do it just based on some made up but reasonable numbers for each leg: really good swim: 18 mediocre swim: 28 really good bike: 64 mediocre bike: 76 really good run: 36 mediocre run: 48 But try it with some real results. You’ll also find that a well rounded triathlete can and will beat a one sport specialist (across a variety of existing discipline length combinations). Which to me is one of the main themes of triathlon. Wade
The biggest ratio I have seen is the Escape from Alcatraz race; it has (I believe) a 1.2mile swim and an 18 mile bike. The Alcatraz swim is actually 1.5 miles (when it’s actually done from the Rock). — Tri-Baby
Doh! I saw the Escape from Alcatraz race on TV last Sunday and the announcer said it was 1.2 miles; I naively took their word for it. Well, 1.5 miles would be an even bigger swim/bike ratio. Vanessa
Yeah, it is extreme. Still, it holds an attraction for me.
snip About lop-sided times– that’s what got me thinking about this. Most tri’s already have lop-sided leg times, with swimming getting the short end of the stick. So I started wondering about biking getting the short end.
You know, that’s a good point. Triathlon as a sport is rather out toward the fringes of acceptability anyway, so who’s to call one format or another "extreme?" (which is such an overused term now anyway, what are we going to see next, "The Really, No Kidding, You-Thought-We-Were-Wack-Before-with-X-Games, X-SQUARED Games!") But I’ve often thought it would be neat to do an event in which the splits took about the same amount of time — maybe a 1-1.2 mile swim, a 10-12 mile bike, and a 4-5 mile run. This is also very interesting to me. Maybe I’ll look around for one of those. -Steffi
Please, if you find an event such as that, let us know. David "Guilty! Guilty! My evil self is at the door — and I have no power to stop it!" http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8374
when international distance triathlons were first developed, the distance used was the most common long distance event for each sport; the 1500 meter swim, 40k time trial, and 10k run. event the ironman was started to determine which hawaiian event was most gruelling and combined the 3 most common endurance events taking place in oahu. if we start asking why when it comes to sports, we’re not likely to find any reasonable answers, just tradtion.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
Probably, you want to have equivalent finishing times so… 2000m swim / 20 K bike / 8 K run (all legs close to 30 min or less for many athletes) Of course this event would have to be a no-drafting, no wetsuit event 
! Pat
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting interested in triathlons, and looking around I am seeing that the swimming portion is way too short for my taste, to the point that I would have to do an ironman distance triathlon to get into the reasonable swimming distances. The bicycle distances I could give or take. For emphasis that there might be a lot of us out there who like swimming, what do people think of a 10k/10k/10k triathlon? I feel there is something inherently satisfying about the equivalent distances for each portion. I know that must seem an insult to you bicyclists. But, would any of you be interested in this type of race? What triathlons have the biggest swim to bike ratio? -Steffi
if we start asking why when it comes to sports, we’re not likely to find any reasonable answers, just tradtion.
Agreed. Why is the marathon 26.2 miles? If I remember correctly it was some sort of weird "off-beat" situation that created this particular distance and somehow it caught on. Yup, tradition. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
I can’t seem to recall what the exact distance of the marathon was originally ie the distance in Greece from Marathon to Rome. I believe that it is close to 25 – 26 miles. The current distance of 26.2 miles was adopted at the London Olympic Games in 19XX. The Queen wanted to see the start of the race, so the start was extended out slightly to Windsor castle near London. The 26.2 miles was the distance from Windsor castle to the finish line in the Olympic stadium(Wembley??) in London. Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if we start asking why when it comes to sports, we’re not likely to find any reasonable answers, just tradtion. Agreed. Why is the marathon 26.2 miles? If I remember correctly it was some sort of weird "off-beat" situation that created this particular distance and somehow it caught on. Yup, tradition. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
The original (modern era) marathon at the first Olympic games in Athens, 1896 was 40km. It was extended to 26miles 385yards for the 1908 London olympics, so the race could finish in front of the royal box. Just another example of the plebs having to go the extra 1.35miles just to keep royalty happy. — Joel Sylvester Longest Day ‘98 12:10:33 Edinburgh Triathletes: www.edintri.u-net.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if we start asking why when it comes to sports, we’re not likely to find any reasonable answers, just tradtion. Agreed. Why is the marathon 26.2 miles? If I remember correctly it was some sort of weird "off-beat" situation that created this particular distance and somehow it caught on. Yup, tradition. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
Agreed. Why is the marathon 26.2 miles? If I remember correctly it was some sort of weird "off-beat" situation that created this particular distance and somehow it caught on. Yup, tradition. |26 | IMC’96: 10:36:37 | Fe | IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53 | | "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"
The story I have heard is that in ancient Greece, the Athenians had a military victory against Persia; they sent a messenger to run to Marathon, 26.2 miles away, to tell them about it. He made it, gasped out his message, "Rejoice! We conquer!" and died. Some versions of the story say the Persians were strategically retreating to attack somewhere else, and the message was actually "Rejoice! We conquer! The Persians are coming!" Vanessa
Acording to legend, it was Pheidippides who ran that first Marathon to Athens split, 24 miles/39 kilometers, in 490 B.C., with word of victory over the Persians. And then had history’s first, greatest, bonk. "Pheidippedes, you just ran the world’s first marathon! What are you gonna do do now?" "I’m going to Atlantis…gurrkrrkkkk…" — David "God always has another custard pie up His sleeve." http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8374
Agreed. Why is the marathon 26.2 miles? If I remember correctly it was some sort of weird "off-beat" situation that created this particular distance and somehow it caught on. Yup, tradition. The original (modern era) marathon at the first Olympic games in Athens, 1896 was 40km. It was extended to 26miles 385yards for the 1908 London olympics, so the race could finish in front of the royal box. Just another example of the plebs having to go the extra 1.35miles just to keep royalty happy.
The 1896 Marathon was actually about 42km, according to Thomas Pelham, an olympian and chronicler of the event for MIT. For a beautiful and emotional description of the event and its victor, see http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/1996/42541/42476.html -Steffi
Hello Had the chance to interview Scott Molina after an athlete he coaches won the World Duathlon Championships. 1. Hey Scott congratulations on your coaching success with Debbie Nelson who has just won the woman’s section of the Zofingen Duathlon. Can you tell us a little about her victory? snip
Can you tell me exactly who Debbie beat, I heard the result and thought the competition must have been soft (seems a little unlikely for Zofingen). Your post shows that she may now be realizing more of her potential although Nicole Cope gave her a real hiding at the nationals on the bike (and Fiona Docherty thrashed Nicole at a drafting Du I did – who then is our best women’s duathlete) although I suspect that was just a blow-out before her overseas campaign. Thanks - David Bowden
Hello Debbie Nelson: 7:35.58 Alena Peterkova 7:54.14 Ariane Gutknecht 7:55.38 Kerstin Mejdrech 8:02.49 Fiona Lothian 8:06.44 Hamish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Had the chance to interview Scott Molina after an athlete he coaches won the World Duathlon Championships. 1. Hey Scott congratulations on your coaching success with Debbie Nelson who has just won the woman’s section of the Zofingen Duathlon. Can you tell us a little about her victory? snip Can you tell me exactly who Debbie beat, I heard the result and thought the competition must have been soft (seems a little unlikely for Zofingen). Your post shows that she may now be realizing more of her potential although Nicole Cope gave her a real hiding at the nationals on the bike (and Fiona Docherty thrashed Nicole at a drafting Du I did – who then is our best women’s duathlete) although I suspect that was just a blow-out before her overseas campaign. Thanks – David Bowden
Hello Had the chance to interview Scott Molina after an athlete he coaches won the World Duathlon Championships. 1. Hey Scott congratulations on your coaching success with Debbie Nelson who has just won the woman’s section of the Zofingen Duathlon. Can you tell us a little about her victory? It was a pretty cold, miserable day. Steady rain and 8-12 degrees. She led from start to finish although there was a small group of 5 women with her from about 30-110 km. She had a very solid second run, by far the best of her 5 attempts there so is very pleased. She won by 18 minutes which shows how much the weather hurt every one else. The men’s times were much slower than previous years as well so it was a pretty rough day. 2. Debbie has been gradually improving on the World scene over the last few years. How long have you been working with her? I’ve only been writing her day -day program since January. We’ve talked about preparation and various aspects of duathlon and sports in general over the years but she’s never asked me to help her with the specifics until this year. 3. She gives credit to a programme that contained less training but more quality work. What are some of the key elements of this regime? I thought she was doing too many long runs which hurt her horsepower on the bike. Debbie has always struggled with riding fast enough to keep up with the top women. She also did a comprehensive strength training program for the 1st time and did more training at around her L.T on both bike and run. 4. Do you think this type of plan is appropriate for most athletes or was it more a case of an individualised programme for Debbie? Most people never get in the base mile to really be able to take it to the next step and make the most of it. Debbie has always done more than enough base miles. But most athletes could do with a solid strength program in the early stages of their build-up. Especially skinny ex runners like Debbie or any one who feels they don’t have a very good top end on the bike. 5. I see Debbie has done a lot of work in the gym over the NZ summer (Euro & US winter). Has this helped with her preparation? Definitely. Her lower body is now very, very solid and handles all of the speed work very well. 6. Are you coaching any other athletes we may see on the World scene? I’m working with Shanelle Barrett who is NZ’s most promising young triathlete (she’s also the current NZ triathlon champ) and a few others just out of sight of the media at the moment, both juniors and age groupers. 7. Now that you are living with wife Erin Baker in Christchurch, New Zealand how do you spend your time? I have 3 kids, a wife and a job (at AquaGym) and too many hobbies (surfing, golf, home handyman) besides training for various endurance sports to fit it all in. I’m also a bit of a bar fly and a couch potato so have got enough to squeeze it in. 8. Any early predictions for this years Hawaii Ironman that you won in 1987? That’s 1988! Don’t date me any more than I am! (HF: last time I made this mistake introducing Scott for a lecture and said 1983) Tough year to predict. Some top dogs going for the short stuff to try and get a spot at the Olympic tri starting line. But Heather Fuhr and Natasha Badmann for the women are pretty sure bets. Perhaps Lori Bowden should be up there too. Men? I expect Hellreigal back along with Reid and Zack. I’ve already had two beers which is too much! so can’t think. It will be a great battle no matter what happens and always interesting to follow. Thanks Scott your welcome. — Hamish Ferguson BA, Dip Sp St, Cert Coach Personal Trainer, Cycling Coach and Nutrition Student 210b Hastings St East, Christchurch 8002, New Zealand Phone 64 3 377 4463, Fax 64 3 377 4463, Mobile 025 221 1287 ICQ #12592660
OK, bait taken. My bike has ridden to an event in the passenger seat of my Mazda Miata. No, the top was not up. Yes, people stared. David Schoonmaker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you kidding? I just wheel mine into the back of my Pontiac Transsport. RE: Best car for Triathletes If I take BOTH my wheels off, lower the saddle, set the bike in upside down and backwards, it will fit into my BMW 325i <wink, ruthie Lynne It’s been a while since we’ve discussed the best car and tooth brush for triathletes. More of my favorite subjects. Ruth Kazez — Achim Wilfried Heinle
Saab 900. Two bikes with wheels on fit in the hatch with rear seat folded down. Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you kidding? I just wheel mine into the back of my Pontiac Transsport. If I take BOTH my wheels off, lower the saddle, set the bike in upside down and backwards, it will fit into my BMW 325i
Caddy Seville. Screw taking the wheels off. Just throw it in the trunk. dave b – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saab 900. Two bikes with wheels on fit in the hatch with rear seat folded down. Doug Are you kidding? I just wheel mine into the back of my Pontiac Transsport. If I take BOTH my wheels off, lower the saddle, set the bike in upside down and backwards, it will fit into my BMW 325i
Not only Jesus, but Joseph, even the Jinni, any of those old time endurance athletes: what would any of them do? Walking across the sea, trekking through the desert, marching toward Mecca – would they have brought a roll of toilet paper? What makes this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups (to paraphrase one of Joseph’s descendents questions)? the peeing thread, most benign of all subjects. As a non-pee’er, I know I am not damned to all hell by even the most outspoken pee’ers, and then asked to mess up my own shoes by following in the footsteps of the pee’ers. Pee’ers traditionally do not ask to be embraced by us non-pee’ers; they simply desire a forum in which to discuss the technical aspects of the spin-off from their dedication and devotion to the good race. It’s been a while since we’ve discussed the best car and tooth brush for triathletes. More of my favorite subjects. Ruth Kazez
They may not have taken toilet paper but they probably would have taken something that is named after that great triathlete, Dave—- yep that would be Scott paper towels;-). OK that should be ;-( Noboby has said anything about my favorite triathlon chewing gum—- yep that would be trident;-). OK that should be ;-( too. D.J. " don’t blame me Ruth started it" "and I bet she does too pee, so there" (IRONKID) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not only Jesus, but Joseph, even the Jinni, any of those old time endurance athletes: what would any of them do? Walking across the sea, trekking through the desert, marching toward Mecca – would they have brought a roll of toilet paper? What makes this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups (to paraphrase one of Joseph’s descendents questions)? the peeing thread, most benign of all subjects. As a non-pee’er, I know I am not damned to all hell by even the most outspoken pee’ers, and then asked to mess up my own shoes by following in the footsteps of the pee’ers. Pee’ers traditionally do not ask to be embraced by us non-pee’ers; they simply desire a forum in which to discuss the technical aspects of the spin-off from their dedication and devotion to the good race. It’s been a while since we’ve discussed the best car and tooth brush for triathletes. More of my favorite subjects. Ruth Kazez
my only question is why are guys peeing in their bike shoes? I can see why women do it, but hey guys if you’re on the bike, just pull "it" out and go, you may get some on you, but at least the shoes are safe. To sum it up, i guess girls do it out of neccesity, guys must just do it for enjoyment.
Are you kidding? I just wheel mine into the back of my Pontiac Transsport. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: Best car for Triathletes If I take BOTH my wheels off, lower the saddle, set the bike in upside down and backwards, it will fit into my BMW 325i <wink, ruthie Lynne It’s been a while since we’ve discussed the best car and tooth brush for triathletes. More of my favorite subjects. Ruth Kazez
– Achim Wilfried Heinle
RE: Best car for Triathletes If I take BOTH my wheels off, lower the saddle, set the bike in upside down and backwards, it will fit into my BMW 325i <wink, ruthie Lynne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s been a while since we’ve discussed the best car and tooth brush for triathletes. More of my favorite subjects. Ruth Kazez
Steve "going to go practice peeing in my shoes" Adams
For the best practice I recommend pissing in your work shoes every so often. In the middle of a meeting, at the bus stop, at the desk, etc. Your co-workers will understand. Alternatively, when driving you car, feel free to leak all over your seat. As you sit in a puddle of your own urine, try to remember it is for your training. You’ll thank me David Barclay Ironman Lanzarote 1999 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"
They may not have taken toilet paper but they probably would have taken something that is named after that great triathlete, Dave—- yep that would be Scott paper towels;-). OK that should be ;-( Noboby has said anything about my favorite triathlon chewing gum—- yep that would be trident;-). OK that should be ;-( too.
Ooooh… this is going to get bad How many triathletes wear TRIfocals?? And of course, we must not forget the TRIumphs we have experienced in races… or driven on the road — wow! two in one word Any more…? David / FEY2K reply to wuth – family – atlanta (remove spaces) at att dot net
If triathlons are good for you, why are TRIglycerides bad? If you get real tired on the swim, maybe you should get a TRIcycle. Don’t drink too fast, let it TRIckle down your throat. If the hills are real bad, get a TRIple. Any more of these will TRIp me up. Notice the number of letters progression? There are no more. The end. Finished. I will TRI no more. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They may not have taken toilet paper but they probably would have taken something that is named after that great triathlete, Dave—- yep that would be Scott paper towels;-). OK that should be ;-( Noboby has said anything about my favorite triathlon chewing gum—- yep that would be trident;-). OK that should be ;-( too. Ooooh… this is going to get bad How many triathletes wear TRIfocals?? And of course, we must not forget the TRIumphs we have experienced in races… or driven on the road — wow! two in one word Any more…? David / FEY2K reply to wuth – family – atlanta (remove spaces) at att dot net
One thing i’ve noticed about pee’ers, (not pee’ers the people, pee’ers the word). It’s the only word I can think of that has 3 consecutive e’s. I’m an IM virgin, and I’m also a pee in my shoes virgin (at least during an endurance sporting event)… and right now in front of all of RST… I will make this vow that by this time next year…. I will at most ,,,,only be a virgin in one of those two catagories. Steve "going to go practice peeing in my shoes" Adams
I was talking to my wife, and I told her about this amazing new word I had learned on the internet that had 3 strait e’s. when i told her the word she said "do you mean as in people, or as something that’s in the water" (I think she thought I meant peer or pier). I said pee’er as in a person who pee’s in his/her shoes while in the process of triathalating (my word I invented it. Other forms: Triathalator, Triathalate). She said "spelled wrong" (pee’er, not triathlating because that couldn’t possibly be spelled wrong because as I have allready stated I invented the word, so I get to say how it’s spelled). I said "but Ruth spelled it that way" ( again we are now talking about pee’er) She said " I don’t care who spelled it, (She knows little of Ruth’s gramatical prowess) it’s not spelled that way". So since I am to spelling what Pee-wee Herman is to body building I checked my Websters. No pee’er, no pee, and peer gave no definition that had anything to do with …… well pee. My wife did however make the point that the word "see" would become "seer", not "see’er" and yes I did find it in the dictionary – seer: One who sees…. Steve "If I’ve misspelled any words it’s because my wife’s not home right now" Adams
If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese
I don’t know my history well, but how the heck did we get, or allow, this man to be president? Shaking my head… "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96 – 10:36:37 IMC’97 – 10:42:53 ‘98 – Gulf Coast Tri, IMC – confirmed ‘98 – Buffalo Springs Lake Tri, Blackwater Eagleman – unconfirmed
If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese I don’t know my history well, but how the heck did we get, or allow, this man to be president?
I have been asking this question for YEARS… Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Triathlon Digest: Tuesday, February 3, 1998 Vol. 2, No. 23 Published by Triathlon Central In This Issue: * Serving Les McDonald (from various) * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine: This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify. It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC: "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone. More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport." I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald. He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler. I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail. Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman]. I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door. I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table. She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald. He made no response, refusing to look at me. I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up. Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door." USA Triathlon Answer to Ironman Lawsuit: Says ITU Forced Action Against Ironman Tarpon Springs, Fla., February 2, 1998: USA Triathlon (USAT), a defendant along with the International Triathlon Union (ITU) and its president Les McDonald in a lawsuit filed by the owner of the Ironman Triathlon sports brand, conceded in its initial U.S. Federal Court response that it may have acted wrongfully against Ironman. But USAT defended its actions by claiming ITU forced its hand. USAT’s response states that it "affirmatively objected to, voted against or argued against many of the wrongful acts alleged on the part of ITU." USAT also states in its answer that "any breach of contract on [its] part was involuntary and was required and compelled by the ITU and is the sole responsibility of the ITU." ITU is the sport of triathlon’s international federation. USAT is triathlon’s U.S. national governing body, and ITU claims that USAT is under its control. The World Triathlon Corp. (WTC), which organizes the Ironman Triathlon, has accused ITU of trying to create an illegal monopoly over the commercial aspects of the sport, and of using its rule-making authority in the sport to create an anti-competitive business climate. WTC began the litigation in October 1997 following USAT’s withdrawal of its sanction for the 1997 Ironman Triathlon World Championship. WTC asserted the withdrawal of the sanction was wrongful and was done by USAT at ITU’s direction because ITU objected to WTC using the words "triathlon world championship" in its event title. A month later, WTC added broader antitrust claims. McDonald only recently was personally served with a copy of the summons and complaint in the lawsuit after almost two months of trying by a process server. McDonald has until early February to respond. ITU’s treasurer (Mark Sisson) also was served with a summons and complaint in Los Angeles in November 1997. USAT’s initial response to the lawsuit also contains the admission that WTC is correct when it alleges that ITU has coupled gaining Olympic eligibility through participation in the ITU World Cup series as part of an ITU attempt to force athletes to choose between competing in the Ironman Triathlon World Championship or the Olympics. WTC also asserts that ITU and McDonald have engaged in a pattern of intimidation, boycotts and punishment against athletes and business interests deemed by ITU to be dissenters or competitors of ITU’s business operations. Those alleged to have been injured by ITU’s anti-competitive conduct include athletes suspended from competing in ITU competitions following their participation in an ITU boycotted "World Cup" event in Queensland, Australia, in 1995; Online Sports International, another Australian group that produced an ITU-boycotted race series that ITU deemed to be in competition with its World Cup series; and a number of other independent triathlon businesses whose principals had spoken out against ITU practices. A full copy of the lawsuit is available upon request from the United States Court for the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division. It also can be accessed on the World Wide Web at http://ironmantri.com. Other Ironman-related media requests can be made to Rob Perry at 813-942-4767, ext. 233. Inquiries to USAT should be directed to officials at the organization’s Colorado Springs, Colo., headquarters. McDonald and ITU offices are located in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Editors’ Background on WTC and Ironman Triathlon: The World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) is based in Tarpon Springs, Fla., and also operates an office in Kona, Hawaii. WTC, and its principal owner, Dr. James P. Gills, acquired the rights to the Ironman Triathlon trademark and Ironman Triathlon World Championship in 1989. WTC produces the championship race in Kona, Hawaii, each October and oversees qualifying procedures and events leading to the championship event. This includes eight international races licensed as iIronman Triathloni events. ITU president McDonald is a five-time finisher of the Ironman Triathlon World Championship and a former age-group Ironman world champion. End of Triathlon Digest, which is sponsored by Triathlon Sourcebook. Please
Agreed. If true, unbelievable. It’s like the song, [ Les ], "you can run but you cannot hide!" (besides, if he continued to try to evade service of process, chances are that the plaintiff’s attorneys would have other means of perfecting service of the lawsuit, publication, etc.) Pitiful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At first I wondered, "Is this account true?" Well, it’s not April Fool’s day, the credibilty of Katherine’s posts to date has been good. There’s a saying that goes something like: "This is too bizarre to be made up." This probably fits. If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese In This Issue: * Serving Les McDonald (from various) * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine: This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify. It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC: "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone. More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport." I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald. He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler. I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail. Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman]. I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door. I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table. She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald. He made no response, refusing to look at me. I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up. Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door."
At first I wondered, "Is this account true?" Well, it’s not April Fool’s day, the credibilty of Katherine’s posts to date has been good. There’s a saying that goes something like: "This is too bizarre to be made up." This probably fits. If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In This Issue: * Serving Les McDonald (from various) * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine: This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify. It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC: "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone. More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport." I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald. He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler. I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail. Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman]. I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door. I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table. She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald. He made no response, refusing to look at me. I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up. Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door."
Les McDonald certainly sounds like someone who will negotiate and rationally think over his positions regarding sponsorship, the Olympics, drafting, WORLD champonship triathlon events, etc. etc. doesn’t he? Yeesshhh……. Of course I am sure there is SOME rational expalanation for his lying and avoiding a process server. But gee! What does it matter anyway. The sport is going to be in the OLYMPICS!!!!!! Feeling a bit jaded and sarcastic this AM. Sorry….. Mark
For what it is worth, here is the program that made me a thoroughly mediocre triathlete. 1) The goal of the first race is to finish at a reasonable pace. Don’t try and win. Just have fun with the experience. 2) Toward that goal, I made the best use I could of the cross-training wonders of the sport. Swim on day one, Run on day two, ride on day three, and just keep going. The rest days will be easy – life will throw them in when work/family/whatever makes it impossible or unwise to workout. 3) I started out with sprint races, and still prefer them because I don’t have the time to train for the half ironman or ironman courses. So you can start by doing "tempo" workouts that meet or exceed the race distances. That means if you are going to do 1K swim, 20K bike, 5K run, just do those distances, or 50% more, for the first few weeks. 4) Mix in "brick" workouts where you do two legs, such as swim bike, or bike run (the hardest). Remember, you don’t need to break any records. A really hard bike run workout will take a lot out of you, and undermine training, so take care. 5) Make sure you get a few workouts in water similar to the race. My first open water swim was in the race. Imagine my shock and dismay to find that there were no painted lines on the bottom of the lake, and that I had no idea how to navigate. 6) Once you feel comfortable with completing the race distances with relative ease and speed, you can start getting fancy, and doing interval workouts, etc. to get faster and stronger. The great gods of sport will tell you much of mixing long runs with speed work, or doing intervals, of using a heart rate monitor to accurately assess your effort. All this is very important. But in the beginning it just takes the fun out of it. Enjoy the first one. You can become neurotic like the rest of us later. Brian Sullivan
For what it is worth, here is the program that made me a thoroughly mediocre triathlete.
But you’re staying fit and having fun. It’s more than most can say. Enjoy the first one. You can become neurotic like the rest of us later.
I concur. Also, one can often expect a marked improvement in the second race with no real change in conditioning. You won’t be running around lost before the start, you will probably get better at finding your bike in the transition area, and your body won’t be complaining because you’ve experienced the routine before. arthur — Choices don’t scare me. However, a lack of choices does.
Im a 44 year old male and would like to start training for a triathalon. Does anyone have any reccommened training programs? Diet tips Do’s and Don’ts My last training regime was 13 years ago for the Marine Corp Marathon I can’t wait to start any help would be appreciated Mallmagg
Im a 44 year old male and would like to start training for a triathalon. Does anyone have any reccommened training programs? Diet tips Do’s and Don’ts My last training regime was 13 years ago for the Marine Corp Marathon
If you ran the USMC Marathon, I’m assuming you live in the DC area. If so, give Ken Mierke a call at Fitness Concepts, 703-560-7846. Also, in the Baltimore area, try Troy Jacobson, 410-433-8300. They will give you personalized schedules, tips, max VO2 testing, and motivation. If you’re looking at doing it yourself, there’s a book called "Swim, bike, run" (sorry, I can’t remember the author or publisher). In adddition, several pros like Scott Tinley and Dave Scott have written training guides. Check out your local bookstore.
you might consider muncie enduranthon, august 20, in muncie, indiana. contact andrea allen, 317 287 1799 steve locke tri fed
: With the cancellation of Texas Hill Country, I’m in the market for a late summer, : early fall half ironman. I’ve scanned the mags and either have overlooked the : alternatives or there aren’t any. Does anyone have any suggestions? BTW, the : alternative does not have to include ridiculous heat, humidity or hills. Are you willing to travel? The Tinman Triathlon in Menomonie, Wisc is August 26. It’s in western Wisconsin, about 50 miles east of Minneapolis/St. Paul. The distances are 1 mile swim, ca. 55 mile bike, 12.5 mile run. The bike leg is very hilly with a couple of 1 mile climbs and lots of rollers. The run has some pretty stiff hills as well. Good organization and spiffy awards. There’s also a "short" course: 0.5/33/6.2. The contact number is 715/232-1664. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
Tri Muncie! The Muncie Endurathon that is. 16th year. Half Ironman. 1996 ITU World Championship Course. August 20, 1995. PO Box 628, Muncie, In 47308. Charlie Sursa
Go to Philly on July 30th. Fairmount Park Classic. — Allyn Cutts "Be the best you can be every minute of your life"
Try the 11th Annual FLORIDA CHALLENGE TRIATHLON in Clermont, Florida. It is a half-ironman distance triathlon with a 1.2 mile swim, 56 mile bike and a 13.1 mile run. This year’s date is September 24. Clermont is located in Central Florida, about 20 minutes west of Orlando. The swim is in a large, white sand bottom, fresh water lake. The bike course is rather challenging by Florida standards, with numerous short hills. The run course has a few hills in the first 4 miles, but the remainder is flat. This race is a great warm-up for the GREAT FLORIDIAN Ironman-distance triathlon, which utilizes the same course.
Go to Philly on July 30th. Fairmount Park Classic. — Allyn Cutts "Be the best you can be every minute of your life"
Allyn, I also was planning to do Texas Hill Country. Where did you hear that it was cancelled? Do you have any more information? Thanks!
Robert You might want to plan a trip to South Padre Island for the race there on September 23 Good training Rick
With the cancellation of Texas Hill Country, I’m in the market for a late summer, early fall half ironman. I’ve scanned the mags and either have overlooked the alternatives or there aren’t any. Does anyone have any suggestions? BTW, the alternative does not have to include ridiculous heat, humidity or hills. Steve Rogers, almost ready for my third annual retirement
Just a different point of view….. Thanks for your thoughts. I’m currently using STI and debating the switch. I agree with your comment concerning loosing mo- mentum when climbing. I agree, too, with your comments that particularly on the flats, shifting is merely a function of dropping a hand. …
First of all, I have NO EXPERIENCE with STI. I have had downtube and aerobar shifters. As to what works better, I think it depends a lot where you ride. We have heard conflicting opinions on this thread and I think it can be mainly explained as both personal preference as well as riding environment. If you are riding on the flats, I’m wondering how much you really shift anyway (at least baring a formidable wind). For climbs that have a constant grade (fairly common out here) again I’m not shifting very much. However, for rolling hills where I stay in the aero position, I found that levers on the aerobars helped me a lot in that I shifted a lot more. When my TTT equivalent swiftshift broke last year, I reverted to my downtube shifters and found myself trying to muscle up hills more instead of shifting. The end result was I burned out my legs early in the ride… Pat W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D. _- -_ Los Alamos National Lab -__ __- / cis: 72410,3372 /
<…. : I find the hood larger and more comfortable for all use such as : climbing etc. When climbing I can change gear without : loosing any momentum which you DO with aeroshifters (you have to sit : again especially!!!! totally ruining your : rythm). I have also found that in most cases when you wont to shift you are : already on the hoods i.e. braking, : climbing, sprinting, shifting down because the wind is getting to you etc. I’m inclined to agree that aero shifting is usually better. However: I did a very hilly race last year using my road bike which has Ergo. The last hill was very steep but it was only about 100 meters. I shifted into a 39×19 as I hit the bottom. I felt secure because the hill was short and because I had NEVER used a gear that small before in a race. I started to loose momentum right away and so stood up to power over the hill. Half way up, I knew I was in deep trouble. Try as I might, my cadence was dropping like a stone and I was on the verge of stalling all together. If I’d had to sit down to shift, I would have ended up walking the hill. I was fourth overall at the time, but I wouldn’t have stayed there if I’d stalled. However, I had Ergo so, with a flick of my wrist, I was in a gear I could get on top of and I accellerated to the top. I may be the only person in r.s.t. who ever picked the wrong gear at the bottom of a hill. However, I wasn’t the only one in that race. A friend who was watching the race at that hill told me that several riders, some of whom were having great bike splits, stalled out. : Last but not least I DO NOT break the aero postion on my bike to shift : on the flat I simply drop one hand down : and back up. If this costs me any time I’m damned if I can see how!! You loose a little, but not nearly what some folks claim. However, I think that most people shift more often if the shifters are near their hands. That means that they’ll often be in a better gear. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
TRY ZAP
: Here’s one for you to chew on – what would keep you from mounting : a MTB STI (a.k.a. Rapid Fire) rear shifter on the nose of your aerobar? : You would have an up – down shifter right where it needs to be, and : a brake lever to boot (which could be run "parallel" with your other : lever, or used alone, if you never ever get off the aero bars….) I wouldn’t be comfortable using an aerobar mounted brake lever alone. I’ve been in too many situations where I’ve needed to brake and change my line in a hurry. In a flat, straight time trial with riders started at intervals, it would probably be fine. However, too many unexpected things happen in a twisty, hilly bike leg with other riders around you. Dave LaPorte U. Minn.
: TRY ZAP Although some folks have had good luck with ZAP, I’ve heard from many people who have had endless trouble with it. This is apparently why Mavic forbade its sponsored riders from using it in the Tour de France. The sole exception was Chris Boardman, who insisted on using it on his TT bike. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
: : TRY ZAP : Although some folks have had good luck with ZAP, I’ve heard from many : people who have had endless trouble with it. This is apparently why : Mavic forbade its sponsored riders from using it in the Tour de France. : The sole exception was Chris Boardman, who insisted on using it on his : TT bike. According to the April issue of RBA (which arrived shortly after I posted the first message), Mavic has stopped shipping ZAP because of all the problems it’s had. They have increased their design team from 4 to 18 and are doing a major redesign. They expect to have the new version, ZAP 1.2, in time for the Fall bike shows. Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.
: I checked the tape and Welch’s rear shifter was on the tip of his Scott : Extreme one piece aero bars. Phil Liggett even commented that he had his : "finger on the trigger." : : — : David F. Monti, Race Results Weekly(tm) : "Race results first thing every Monday morning…" It looks like Welch’s rear shifter was on his aerobars, but the front shifter was on the PowerV virtual downtube. First time I’ve seen a config like that. Eric
: I checked the tape and Welch’s rear shifter was on the tip of his Scott : Extreme one piece aero bars. Phil Liggett even commented that he had his : "finger on the trigger." : : — : David F. Monti, Race Results Weekly(tm) It looks like Welch’s rear shifter was on his aerobars, but the front shifter was on the PowerV virtual downtube. First time I’ve seen a config like that.
I have an old softride aluminum frame, and I have my shifters set up the same way (rear on aero-bars, front on down-tube). The reason I set mine up this way was mainly a matter of survival. When I had the front also on the aerobars, there seemed to be enough flex/slack in the cable, that sprinting would cause the front de-railleur to shift … shift from the big to small chain ring. You can probably imagine this unexpected shifting almost threw me off the bike. I tried all kinds of fixes, but all the bike mechanics in our area said there’s just too much flex in all the cable required to get to the aero-bar shifters. It really is ok this way, I don’t shift chain rings all that often … my main problem (besides spelling de-railleur B^ ) is remembering which shifter is in which location. I don’t get enough continuity between mtn bikes, road bikes, and tt bikes, so lots of times I’m grabbing for shifters that just aren’t there.
I checked the tape and Welch’s rear shifter was on the tip of his Scott Extreme one piece aero bars. Phil Liggett even commented that he had his "finger on the trigger." — David F. Monti, Race Results Weekly(tm) "Race results first thing every Monday morning…"
Also, I read somewhere that having to leave the aero position to shift can cost you in the order of 10 seconds per shift.
That number is pure hype, but it certainly has some effect (1 sec?). — LSC (aka Larry Chapman) (303) 229-3117
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. Brad W. "The Questionator"
Well here is a totally different point of view from the others for you. I have recently (1 year I suppose now) changed from aero shifters (grips) to STI. I personally would never change back and wish I had done it earlier. My reason are thus. I do take off my aero bars to do bike races and this helps. (although I don’t do this alot) I find the hood larger and more comfortable for all use such as climbing etc. When climbing I can change gear without loosing any momentum which you DO with aeroshifters (you have to sit again especially!!!! totally ruining your rythm). I have also found that in most cases when you wont to shift you are already on the hoods i.e. braking, climbing, sprinting, shifting down because the wind is getting to you etc. Last but not least I DO NOT break the aero postion on my bike to shift on the flat I simply drop one hand down and back up. If this costs me any time I’m damned if I can see how!! Just a different point of view…..
Also, I read somewhere that having to leave the aero position to shift can cost you in the order of 10 seconds per shift. That number is pure hype, but it certainly has some effect (1 sec?).
It’s interesting (and informative?) that both Dave Scott and Greg Welch both had their shifters on the down tube at Ironman. Hmmmmmm…
: Also, I read somewhere that having to leave the aero position to shift : can cost you in the order of 10 seconds per shift. : : That number is pure hype, but it certainly has some effect (1 sec?). : It’s interesting (and informative?) that both Dave Scott and Greg : Welch both had their shifters on the down tube at Ironman. Hmmmmmm… There was a previous reply that also downplayed the time lost using STIs, and I think the use of shifters on the downtube by Welch and Scott might back this up. Also, that reply mentioned the increased comfort of the STIs when riding on the hoods, and the fact that you are usually off the aerobars anyway when doing most of your shifting and braking. Of course, I have to say that I find it hard to stay down on the aerobars for extended lengths of time, and that might sway me more towards thinking about a more comfortable riding position and better shifting while on the hoods. Also, I am still worrying about things that will take minutes off my time, as I am nowhere near the point where my finishing position is decided by a few seconds either way. Brad W. — Anyone can hit the Snooze button. Brad W. Chesapeake, VA
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. Brad W. "The Questionator" Well here is a totally different point of view from the others for you. I have recently (1 year I suppose now) changed from aero shifters (grips) to STI. I personally would never change back and wish I had done it earlier. My reason are thus. I do take off my aero bars to do bike races and this helps. (although I don’t do this alot) I find the hood larger and more comfortable for all use such as climbing etc. When climbing I can change gear without loosing any momentum which you DO with aeroshifters (you have to sit again especially!!!! totally ruining your rythm). I have also found that in most cases when you wont to shift you are already on the hoods i.e. braking, climbing, sprinting, shifting down because the wind is getting to you etc. Last but not least I DO NOT break the aero postion on my bike to shift on the flat I simply drop one hand down and back up. If this costs me any time I’m damned if I can see how!! Just a different point of view…..
Thanks for your thoughts. I’m currently using STI and debating the switch. I agree with your comment concerning loosing mo- mentum when climbing. I agree, too, with your comments that particularly on the flats, shifting is merely a function of dropping a hand. In the ideal world, one might have both set-ups plus a strictly road bike! ( $ dream$) I’ll look forward to comments of others before making a final decision. Anyone?
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. I live in a pretty flat area, so I am able to stay on the aerobars a lot, but may soon be moving to a hillier area. Would there be an advantage to changing to STIs? Do the pros have different bike setups for different races, depending on the terrain? Does the length of the race have anything to do with what people prefer? If you had just one bike to train and race on in all conditions, what handlebar/aerobar/shifter setup would you go with?
I never understood why triathletes used STI. Since when is quick shifting an advantage in your standard Tri TT? In a bike race (especially sprinting) they can be invaluable. Also, STI weighs about a 1/2 lb more than standard shifters. My advice: Blow-off the STI and put shifters on the aerobars. — LSC (aka Larry Chapman) (303) 229-3117
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. I live in a pretty flat area, so I am able to stay on the aerobars a lot, but may soon be moving to a hillier area. Would there be an advantage to changing to STIs?
STI was designed for road racing not TT. Its main purpose is to offer quick shifting when riding in races such as crit’s where you are changing speed constantly. STI is not the shifter of choice for triathlon as you must come up out of the aero bars each time to shift which slows you down. STI also adds about a half pound to your bike over conventional shifters. If your moving to the hills thats not a good idea. Here in the mountains of northern New Mexico most people ride with either down tube shifters, grip shift or swift shift. I have seen one female triathlete use STI but she is also the Paula Newby-Fraser of the area and not much slows her down any way. Hope this helps Mike
| I never understood why triathletes used STI. Since when is quick shifting | an advantage in your standard Tri TT? In a bike race (especially | sprinting) they can be invaluable. Also, STI weighs about a 1/2 lb more | than standard shifters. | | My advice: Blow-off the STI and put shifters on the aerobars. Also, I read somewhere that having to leave the aero position to shift can cost you in the order of 10 seconds per shift. — + Michael Babineau, Bell Northern Research + + Ottawa, Ontario, Canada +
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. I live in a pretty flat area, so I am able to stay on the
This is an interesting conundrum which afflicts many triathletes these days, especially as most "road bikes" come with STI as standard. IMHO, for the triathlete, stick with the aero bars/shifters combo. For these reasons: (1) Weight – it is lighter then an STI setup. (2) Unless you are sprinting, who cares where the shifters are? May as well have them where they will be useful – on the aero bars. (3) Ease of repair – have you ever tried to take apart one of those STI levers? It is a mongrel of a job. (4) Cost of replacement – it is far cheaper to replace/upgrade any of the bits of a standard setup compared to a whole set of STI’s. Cons: (1) If you regularly take your aero bars off for whatever reason, the bar end shifters are a pain to remove and reinstall. Hope this helps! Regards, PB
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. I live in a pretty flat area, so I am able to stay on the aerobars a lot, but may soon be moving to a hillier area. Would there be an advantage to changing to STIs? Do the pros have different bike setups for different races, depending on the terrain? Does the length of the race have anything to do with what people prefer? If you had just one bike to train and race on in all conditions, what handlebar/aerobar/shifter setup would you go with?
Unless you live at the foot of Pike’s Peak or in Zofingen, I’d say trade in the STI for aeroshifting.
I am wondering about the advantages of STI shifters vs. shifters mounted on the aerobar. I live in a pretty flat area, so I am able to stay on the aerobars a lot, but may soon be moving to a hillier area. Would there be an advantage to changing to STIs? Do the pros have different bike setups for different races, depending on the terrain? Does the length of the race have anything to do with what people prefer? If you had just one bike to train and race on in all conditions, what handlebar/aerobar/shifter setup would you go with? Brad W. "The Questionator" — Anyone can hit the Snooze button. Brad W. Chesapeake, VA