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If they’re short of money, what do you suggest they do?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a huge difference IMHO between having high standards and having ridiculously high standards, and I find the decision of the COC or the GOC quite appalling, contrary to the Olympic ideal and harmful to sport in general.
If they’re short of money, what do you suggest they do?
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I don’t know about any running books specifically, but there is a book on Triatholon’s that I and my (soon-to-be) brother in law have which has almost anything you need in it….. Honestly, just subtract the biking and swimming part of it ou and you have a pretty good schedule and training book on running… It’s called The Triathlete’s Training Bible and its about as holy as the name implies…. oh, by the way….it’s written by Joe Friel.
The plural of Triathalon is Triathalons, not Triathalon’s. Seriously, did all of you skip grammar school? My god, you are as illiterate as the US President. B
The plural of Triathalon is Triathalons, not Triathalon’s. Seriously, did all of you skip grammar school? My god, you are as illiterate as the US President.
Irony or troll? You decide. -patrick.
Irony or troll? You decide.
Irony. Because we all know Bush would spell "triathalon" as "tryathalawn". Bill R. OO
The plural of Triathalon is Triathalons, not Triathalon’s. Seriously, did all of you skip grammar school?
Perhaps they were just joining you when skipping. It’s spelled triathlon, not triathAlon. My god, you are as illiterate as the US President.
Pot, kettle. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"
I did it again. I came close last week, but yesterday I broke 8 minutes per mile in a 6 mile run. It was not so exciting as when I broke 9 minutes 2 months ago, just raising my arms in triumph, but in silence this time. I’ve recently increased mileage from running 3 days a week to 4 days. I want to lose 15 more lbs and I believe this will increase my speeed even further, possibly a 6+min/mile by the end of this year. If I’m able to run 7:30min/mile, then I will find a track and do some speed works. Can anybody recommend a good informational running book? I don’t want to waste 50-80 dollars on a coach. Thanks guys.
While it isn’t a normal "Running" book. I’ve seen a bigger performance increase after trying some of the things in "Explosive Running" by Yessis, than I’ve seen after a quite a few months of marathon training. In other words, leg exercises will help quite a bit, and if you have more muscle in your legs, it is easier to lose weight since you will burn more fat just sitting. I remember my very first 9:02 mile after I started running. I was pretty thrilled and never thought I’d run a full marathon at a 9:02 average pace less than 2 years later. Roger
The plural of Triathalon is Triathalons, not Triathalon’s. Seriously, did all of you skip grammar school? Perhaps they were just joining you when skipping. It’s spelled triathlon, not triathAlon. My god, you are as illiterate as the US President. Pot, kettle.
Hah!!! Had one too many pitchers before posting that one in the wee hours! I should have known when I resorted to one-finger typing … Got me on that one 
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Excellent!! Congratulations! Victoria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did it again. I came close last week, but yesterday I broke 8 minutes per mile in a 6 mile run. It was not so exciting as when I broke 9 minutes 2 months ago, just raising my arms in triumph, but in silence this time. I’ve recently increased mileage from running 3 days a week to 4 days. I want to lose 15 more lbs and I believe this will increase my speeed even further, possibly a 6+min/mile by the end of this year. If I’m able to run 7:30min/mile, then I will find a track and do some speed works. Can anybody recommend a good informational running book? I don’t want to waste 50-80 dollars on a coach. Thanks guys.
I’d recommend Noakes for general information on running (it’s a bit of an encyclopedia), Daniels or Glover (The Competitive Runner’s guide). Daniels is primarily targetted towards fairly serious runners running high milage and training 6 days a week, so maybe you’d do better with Glover for now.
I’d second the recommendation for Glover’s Competitive Runner’s Handbook – I find myself picking mine up again and again and again. Noakes’ Lore of Running really is an encyclopedia, I mean there’s EVERYTHING in there but personally, I can’t bring myself to read much in that thing. I’d say Glover’s definitely better to start with, then if you want to know the details and fine print, get Noakes. As for losing weight — your time will drop in proportion with weight lost
That’s pretty neat actually. By the time I’m back to my weight of last year’s peak, I’ll probably run 5 minute miles. 
cheers, nina
Bob, I’m so proud of you. Now if you could turn your efforts towards
Great job Bob. I did that myself in a 10k a few weeks ago. Feels great, doesn’t it? I just broke 9min/mile on a long run today (15 mi). You never know what you can do until you try (and try and try and try, four days a week for several months straight….) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did it again. I came close last week, but yesterday I broke 8 minutes per mile in a 6 mile run. It was not so exciting as when I broke 9 minutes 2 months ago, just raising my arms in triumph, but in silence this time. I’ve recently increased mileage from running 3 days a week to 4 days. I want to lose 15 more lbs and I believe this will increase my speeed even further, possibly a 6+min/mile by the end of this year. If I’m able to run 7:30min/mile, then I will find a track and do some speed works. Can anybody recommend a good informational running book? I don’t want to waste 50-80 dollars on a coach. Thanks guys.
Can’t these fucking morons see where they are going?
I did it again. I came close last week, but yesterday I broke 8 minutes per mile in a 6 mile run. It was not so exciting as when I broke 9 minutes 2 months ago, just raising my arms in triumph, but in silence this time. I’ve recently increased mileage from running 3 days a week to 4 days. I want to lose 15 more lbs and I believe this will increase my speeed even further, possibly a 6+min/mile by the end of this year. If I’m able to run 7:30min/mile, then I will find a track and do some speed works. Can anybody recommend a good informational running book? I don’t want to waste 50-80 dollars on a coach. Thanks guys.
I don’t know about any running books specifically, but there is a book on Triatholon’s that I and my (soon-to-be) brother in law have which has almost anything you need in it….. Honestly, just subtract the biking and swimming part of it ou and you have a pretty good schedule and training book on running… It’s called The Triathlete’s Training Bible and its about as holy as the name implies…. oh, by the way….it’s written by Joe Friel.
I did it again. I came close last week, but yesterday I broke 8 minutes per mile in a 6 mile run. It was not so exciting as when I broke 9 minutes 2 months ago, just raising my arms in triumph, but in silence this time. I’ve recently increased mileage from running 3 days a week to 4 days. I want to lose 15 more lbs and I believe this will increase my speeed even further, possibly a 6+min/mile by the end of this year. If I’m able to run 7:30min/mile, then I will find a track and do some speed works. Can anybody recommend a good informational running book? I don’t want to waste 50-80 dollars on a coach.
Congrats on your performance. I’d recommend Noakes for general information on running (it’s a bit of an encyclopedia), Daniels or Glover (The Competitive Runner’s guide). Daniels is primarily targetted towards fairly serious runners running high milage and training 6 days a week, so maybe you’d do better with Glover for now. As for losing weight — your time will drop in proportion with weight lost, until you get fairly thin (not surprising when you think about it — one hardly becomes *more* efficient as they get heavier) So I’d expect the weight loss to get you down to about 7:15. To take it further than that, you’ll need to build milage and lay down a good training foundation. Good luck, — Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » Do you run/walk?
: In training? In a marathon? I’m considering 30 sec each mile. I was wondering : about the experiences of others who may have tried it. when they renamed them to Snickers, I stopped eating them. but my experience was that sometimes the peanuts would get stuck in my teeth. HTH. — Steve Leyland mhm32×16 Smeeter#35 flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 Alcatroll Labs Inc collaborator (bongwater maintenance dept) =^//E0// //E0// ARMY^= Prince Charles and Prince William NEVER travel on the same airplane just in case there is a crash. _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW Meow MeowMeow M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW* MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW MeoW Meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** _*MEOW*_ Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW Meow MMEEOOWW M*E*O*W MeoW meow ***MEOW*** MeOw mEoW _*MEOW*_ XXXXXX XX XX XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XX XX XX XX XXXXXX XX XX XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XXXX XXXX XX XX XX XXXX XXXX XX XX XX XXXX XX XX XX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XX XXXXXX XXXXXX XX XX XX XX XX XX XXXXXX XXXX XX XX XX XX XX ;,._ _,,- `;, `:. , ;. . :’ .;` / ; `;;, .: :. ,;;` / ‘;/ :: : . ::/ ;` ; ).’ __.._` ’_..__ `./ /< \ /I`, ,’I // / `;-7/_ — /_7-;’ / //. `"’:" ;; ":`"’ / |/ . .:’ __..__ `. | /|: ./. `=_ _=’ . |/ /:(/::. / .::) / ////=-v-’`-v-=\\ fL ///`Nx_;;/_xN’\ / / `"w==w"’ / "Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling twat of the highest order. Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" Bastard Bear, uk.rec.motorcycles "It’s a bigger shame that packs of idiots can’t keep their profanities and idiocies in groups where such is the norm, but instead have to go crying for attention in groups that don’t deal in heavy cross posting, cascades, profanity, abject stupidity, and every other moronic thing that Steve Leyland, Dean Humphries, and Eddie Bernard represent." Mike Soja, alt.bad.clams
A GREAT idea. When I was breaking into long runs (over 2 hours) I would run for 10, walk for 1. Felt like I could go forever. It also gives your legs a break.If it works for you, thendo it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – During long runs I walk for about 30-40 seconds every 12-15 min. I use this time to drink and stretch out my arms. If I’m taking a gel then I walk for about 1 minute to 90 seconds because my frozen fingers can’t get the damn wrapper open fast enough to consume the solidified "fruit flavoured toothpaste" inside. I’m still fairly new to long distance running, so I find that the walk breaks really help my endurance at the end of my long runs. Sylvia De Silva
In training? In a marathon? I’m considering 30 sec each mile. I was wondering about the experiences of others who may have tried it.
I’m training for my first marathon, my LSD is only up to 9 mi. but I’m reading Jeff Galloways "Marathon" and he promotes walk breaks. During my LSD I run the first 3 mi. non-stop then walk for a min. for every mile after that. When I’m done I feel great. During my short runs of 5 mi. I don’t walk at all. I guess whatever works for you, I’m 44 and I don’t expect to break any records, I’m just happy to be out there doing it. Kelly Lee
I use the run/walk plan, though nothing formal – no timer set on my watch, no strict distances or times. On training runs, I walk a bit every mile or two. Maybe a 30 second walk, maybe stop to take a leak, or just a quick stretch. If you do this, you can make your long runs longer and this will be a good thing. In races – I walk about 20 seconds at every water stop. It’s a brief walk and it lets me drink without gulping air or spilling it all over myself. I usually run the last few miles without stopping. In an Ironman triathlon, I walk 30-45 seconds in every rest stop and I get to pass many, many people on the run. Does it work? Well, that depends on your goals, I ran a PR on Sunday in the Motorola Austin Marathon and made my qualifying time for Boston, so it worked for me. Clearly the winner of the race didn’t walk 30 seconds every mile. Alan.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In training? In a marathon? I’m considering 30 sec each mile. I was wondering about the experiences of others who may have tried it.
I’m considering 30 sec each mile.
If you can run a mile in 30 seconds, you don’t need our advice. Bill R. 00
During long runs I walk for about 30-40 seconds every 12-15 min. I use this time to drink and stretch out my arms. If I’m taking a gel then I walk for about 1 minute to 90 seconds because my frozen fingers can’t get the damn wrapper open fast enough to consume the solidified "fruit flavoured toothpaste" inside. I’m still fairly new to long distance running, so I find that the walk breaks really help my endurance at the end of my long runs. Sylvia De Silva
In training? In a marathon? I’m considering 30 sec each mile. I was wondering about the experiences of others who may have tried it.
In training? In a marathon? I’m considering 30 sec each mile. I was wondering about the experiences of others who may have tried it.
You’ll find almost as many approaches to this as there are runners. When I was first beginning to build my tolerance for long runs in training, I did something like you suggest, or more often 1 minute every two miles, during which I would have time to drink, etc. Over time, I stretched the continuous running to 3, hen 4, then 5 miles, etc. Now, in training runs of 10 miles or less, I don’t schedule walks; over 10, I walk briefly 2 or 3 times about 30 seconds each. In my most recent marathon, last Sunday, I walked three times for about 15 seconds each while drinking more water than usual after taking energy gels at miles 5, 12 and 19, roughly. The trick you may find is not to walk at all in the last three or four miles of a marathon or long run–when you MOST want to walk–because it’s hard to start running again. Like drinking fluids during a long run or race, if you walk, do it before you desperately need it. Good luck. Chris
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Check out slowtwitch.com for some background on this whole story.
Check out slowtwitch.com for some background on this whole story.
DEFINITELY!!! Dan, what a great perspective! I really appreciate the opportunity to learn about what goes on in the background. Don’t keep us waiting for the next part! David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net
<< DEFINITELY!!! Dan, what a great perspective! I really appreciate the opportunity to learn about what goes on in the background. Don’t keep us waiting for the next part! agreed! peggy
One thing that is more prominent in Oz than the US, most of our Top Pro’s will race any old event even if theres no prize money. This doesn’t seem to be so much the case in Nth America. Look at the results in the Triathlon Digest and you will see Emma Carney et al winning races that would be lucky to pay travel costs. I hope someone does built a US National Series up again but I know it will be a long haul. LW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think everyone fails to see one thing about our sport. There is very little money to be made. Everyone from the race directors to the pros know that you will not make much money putting races on or trying to win them. Granted, there are a few people in the US and world that do this(Michellie Jones, Hunter Kemper, Simon Lessing, etc) but the majority of the people don’t. They still have to make money from somewhere else. I think even if someone put another series on it would require more than just good turnouts. It would requre the event director to be very careful in budgetting his money. That is one of the main reasons why the USTS/NATS has sunk so many times already. Just my two cents. jOe Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
It would be good to see a US National Series, I did one of the USTS races at Hilton Head Island in ‘90-91, not sure when, and they were great,
I think it was the Bud Light Triathlon Series back then. I did one in San Diego in ‘92 that was super. Big pro field and great AG race. The next year it was cut down to a sprint and the pro field was Scott Tinley and a female pro in an exhibition match. The promoter, CAT Sports, went broke that season and reportedly owed money to pros and others. I wonder if there’s anyone willing to pick it up after this most recent disaster? Larry
I think everyone fails to see one thing about our sport. There is very little money to be made. Everyone from the race directors to the pros know that you will not make much money putting races on or trying to win them. Granted, there are a few people in the US and world that do this(Michellie Jones, Hunter Kemper, Simon Lessing, etc) but the majority of the people don’t. They still have to make money from somewhere else. I think even if someone put another series on it would require more than just good turnouts. It would requre the event director to be very careful in budgetting his money. That is one of the main reasons why the USTS/NATS has sunk so many times already. Just my two cents. jOe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
It would be good to see a US National Series, I did one of the USTS races at Hilton Head Island in ‘90-91, not sure when, and they were great, I had ‘hoped’ to have another go this season pre IMC but alas it might not be, but it would be good to see. LW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fair enough. no harm no foul. I personally believe that if the USTS/NATS or another equivalent national series gets revitalized in the US they will have good attendance and support regardless of the complaints in RST or elsewhere, as long as they do a good job marketing the races. Something is going on as the website does have a "coming soon" page up, but who knows what it is. I’ll go to a couple of the races. I enjoy racing. It’s fun. I started because it’s fun, you get to meet new people, go new places. Plus, in defense of the old series, the races were organized well (from a participant’s standpoint) and had good competition. cheers, Marty However look at it as a whole. Had the USTS/NATS been in a position to be rescued the damages caused my misc postings harms not only the race directors but the sponsors and the whole triathlon community. LW
fair enough. no harm no foul. I personally believe that if the USTS/NATS or another equivalent national series gets revitalized in the US they will have good attendance and support regardless of the complaints in RST or elsewhere, as long as they do a good job marketing the races. Something is going on as the website does have a "coming soon" page up, but who knows what it is. I’ll go to a couple of the races. I enjoy racing. It’s fun. I started because it’s fun, you get to meet new people, go new places. Plus, in defense of the old series, the races were organized well (from a participant’s standpoint) and had good competition. cheers, Marty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However look at it as a whole. Had the USTS/NATS been in a position to be rescued the damages caused my misc postings harms not only the race directors but the sponsors and the whole triathlon community. LW
Having been made aware that you were chasing money I had apologised for the tone and wording of my post. However look at it as a whole. Had the USTS/NATS been in a position to be rescued the damages caused my misc postings harms not only the race directors but the sponsors and the whole triathlon community. LW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lloyd, I would think you’re an attentive enough reader to know I don’t throw rumors and innuendos onto the fire, but obviously not. I guess maybe you guys down under don’t "read" every post. Guess what? I can do better. The business is folded. Ken McKenzie is unreachable. I did not get paid $800. Bugger off with my rumors. I gave them every chance they had to explain what was going on. Speaking for myself, I wrote them a couple letters and called a few phone numbers. Guess what? There was nobody home. I am sure that if YOU were in charge of this series this never would have happened, but as you are limited to the southern hemisphere, why not let us work out our northern hemisphere problems. If someone in this newsgroup asks a question I have the answer to, I’m going to answer it. Just like you do in your occasionally caustic manner. I also read your note discussing the business aspect of the situation. The truth is that everyone would be very happy to have a national series in the US. We would be extremely happy. But the truth is that there was obviously some mismanagement of this series and the advertised prize money did not get distributed. According to other people whose word I have no reason to doubt, local RDs and other people associated with the series also did not get paid what they were due. When you say we are not alone in not getting paid, are you suggesting we should humbly accept it as our fate? If I did that I would never have gotten anywhere in life. When you get shafted, do you just take it? I didn’t think so. Am I going to sit around and watch and hope, with my fingers crossed and eyes aglow, that one day down the road, just maybe, just maybe oh wish upon a star Dorothy, that I’ll get some cash back? Dude, your dreaming. What does a business with money outstanding do to those that owe it money? Call, call, call, file complaints, then file with a collection agency. Once again I would say that, regardless of the character references Mr. MacKenzie has, by not responding to all these circumstances in any way, shape, or form, he is hurting himself and us. It’s not my fault. I don’t want the guy to personally suffer, as I don’t wish that on anyone, but he didn’t even mail out a statement saying he was working things out. IE, he is not working things out. The business is already destroyed, bud. That happened last year. If it gets resurrected, I will accept it as the Phoenix rising from the ashes. I believe everyone else will as well. As for restarting the business, have at it!! Anyone! buy it, run it, make it your life, and do it well. I just ride the bike. I don’t make it, nor do I close down the streets on which to ride. Marty Gaal Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. LW You guys are not alone in losing money, it happens every day in every sport and business and I hate it as much as anyone but look at it from the point of view of a business person. It is simply a debt just like the hundreds of other businesses that go broke every year this one hurts people but unlike a lot of business bankruptcies the athletes did not loose any of their own money apart from maybe travel costs etc. So they are crying fowl and trying to destroy a business, its name and the name of the backers/sponsors over what is essentially prize money won not actually money they had themselves invested, or entrusted on credit. That’s the reality of it and I do not condone in any manner or form race directors failing to meet contractual obligations for prize money but to look at the bigger picture there is now no USTS and people are making it even harder for someone to resurrect the USTS by constantly attacking it with rumours and other stories, even if they end up being true. So many people have stood up for the race director and there are as many good reports of the man and his business dealings as there are bad ones. What my point is that the USTS is an asset that can be sold or used to help recover the money lost. Just look at how many people keep asking about it and saying how not having the USTS is a big loss. Its a huge loss, not having a National series to compete in, a far bigger a loss to the sport than a handful of athletes loosing prize money. By posting constant defamatory remarks and rumours about the event, its parent company and its directors you are cutting your own throats. Sort of like burning down your own house to avoid paying mortgage payments to spite your bank, you still have the debt but now you don’t have the asset to sell to pay the debts!!! What would I do, find someone who can buy, or take over the USTS and hopefully rebuild it to a profit making venture, work with the previous management to get the real story on the losses suffered so the same mistakes should not be made again. If there is any signs of illegal or improper management then sure look at suing the management to recover costs. Ever wonder why a lot of bankruptcy trustees do not immediately make any statements of business dealings etc about company CEO’s and Directors after a company is placed into the hands of receivers/liquidators. Its because the small amount of information they are likely to get from the management could well help in explaining the companies losses and what and where they went wrong. With this knowledge they can make a more accurate call as to just how good an asset/business is left and if it is a viable entity that could pay its way clear of debt. LW Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. Marty speaks the truth so there is no reason to flame him. Part of the problem is that pros are so used to getting paid months after the races that it has become the norm. "Letting the matter sort itself out" has been the problem. Had the athletes complained and insisted on getting paid on time early in the series maybe this whole situation could have been avoided. The pros gave Ken MONTHS to try to settle his debts or even provide an explanation. He has been virtually unreachable since October (invalid email address, unpaid website, Quest events dissolved) and when one pro was finally able to get him on the phone the connection got cut off. When he re-dialed, surprise, nobody picked up. We waited patiently for explanations and everyone wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. What is your suggestion? Believe me, we would be interested in any viable solution. -hug(also owed $$ from 2 NATS races)
Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they
belong. Marty speaks the truth so there is no reason to flame him. Part of the problem is that pros are so used to getting paid months after the races that it has become the norm. "Letting the matter sort itself out" has been the problem. Had the athletes complained and insisted on getting paid on time early in the series maybe this whole situation could have been avoided. The pros gave Ken MONTHS to try to settle his debts or even provide an explanation. He has been virtually unreachable since October (invalid email address, unpaid website, Quest events dissolved) and when one pro was finally able to get him on the phone the connection got cut off. When he re-dialed, surprise, nobody picked up. We waited patiently for explanations and everyone wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. What is your suggestion? Believe me, we would be interested in any viable solution. -hug(also owed $$ from 2 NATS races)
You guys are not alone in losing money, it happens every day in every sport and business and I hate it as much as anyone but look at it from the point of view of a business person. It is simply a debt just like the hundreds of other businesses that go broke every year this one hurts people but unlike a lot of business bankruptcies the athletes did not loose any of their own money apart from maybe travel costs etc. So they are crying fowl and trying to destroy a business, its name and the name of the backers/sponsors over what is essentially prize money won not actually money they had themselves invested, or entrusted on credit. That’s the reality of it and I do not condone in any manner or form race directors failing to meet contractual obligations for prize money but to look at the bigger picture there is now no USTS and people are making it even harder for someone to resurrect the USTS by constantly attacking it with rumours and other stories, even if they end up being true. So many people have stood up for the race director and there are as many good reports of the man and his business dealings as there are bad ones. What my point is that the USTS is an asset that can be sold or used to help recover the money lost. Just look at how many people keep asking about it and saying how not having the USTS is a big loss. Its a huge loss, not having a National series to compete in, a far bigger a loss to the sport than a handful of athletes loosing prize money. By posting constant defamatory remarks and rumours about the event, its parent company and its directors you are cutting your own throats. Sort of like burning down your own house to avoid paying mortgage payments to spite your bank, you still have the debt but now you don’t have the asset to sell to pay the debts!!! What would I do, find someone who can buy, or take over the USTS and hopefully rebuild it to a profit making venture, work with the previous management to get the real story on the losses suffered so the same mistakes should not be made again. If there is any signs of illegal or improper management then sure look at suing the management to recover costs. Ever wonder why a lot of bankruptcy trustees do not immediately make any statements of business dealings etc about company CEO’s and Directors after a company is placed into the hands of receivers/liquidators. Its because the small amount of information they are likely to get from the management could well help in explaining the companies losses and what and where they went wrong. With this knowledge they can make a more accurate call as to just how good an asset/business is left and if it is a viable entity that could pay its way clear of debt. LW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. Marty speaks the truth so there is no reason to flame him. Part of the problem is that pros are so used to getting paid months after the races that it has become the norm. "Letting the matter sort itself out" has been the problem. Had the athletes complained and insisted on getting paid on time early in the series maybe this whole situation could have been avoided. The pros gave Ken MONTHS to try to settle his debts or even provide an explanation. He has been virtually unreachable since October (invalid email address, unpaid website, Quest events dissolved) and when one pro was finally able to get him on the phone the connection got cut off. When he re-dialed, surprise, nobody picked up. We waited patiently for explanations and everyone wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. What is your suggestion? Believe me, we would be interested in any viable solution. -hug(also owed $$ from 2 NATS races)
Lloyd, I would think you’re an attentive enough reader to know I don’t throw rumors and innuendos onto the fire, but obviously not. I guess maybe you guys down under don’t "read" every post. Guess what? I can do better. The business is folded. Ken McKenzie is unreachable. I did not get paid $800. Bugger off with my rumors. I gave them every chance they had to explain what was going on. Speaking for myself, I wrote them a couple letters and called a few phone numbers. Guess what? There was nobody home. I am sure that if YOU were in charge of this series this never would have happened, but as you are limited to the southern hemisphere, why not let us work out our northern hemisphere problems. If someone in this newsgroup asks a question I have the answer to, I’m going to answer it. Just like you do in your occasionally caustic manner. I also read your note discussing the business aspect of the situation. The truth is that everyone would be very happy to have a national series in the US. We would be extremely happy. But the truth is that there was obviously some mismanagement of this series and the advertised prize money did not get distributed. According to other people whose word I have no reason to doubt, local RDs and other people associated with the series also did not get paid what they were due. When you say we are not alone in not getting paid, are you suggesting we should humbly accept it as our fate? If I did that I would never have gotten anywhere in life. When you get shafted, do you just take it? I didn’t think so. Am I going to sit around and watch and hope, with my fingers crossed and eyes aglow, that one day down the road, just maybe, just maybe oh wish upon a star Dorothy, that I’ll get some cash back? Dude, your dreaming. What does a business with money outstanding do to those that owe it money? Call, call, call, file complaints, then file with a collection agency. Once again I would say that, regardless of the character references Mr. MacKenzie has, by not responding to all these circumstances in any way, shape, or form, he is hurting himself and us. It’s not my fault. I don’t want the guy to personally suffer, as I don’t wish that on anyone, but he didn’t even mail out a statement saying he was working things out. IE, he is not working things out. The business is already destroyed, bud. That happened last year. If it gets resurrected, I will accept it as the Phoenix rising from the ashes. I believe everyone else will as well. As for restarting the business, have at it!! Anyone! buy it, run it, make it your life, and do it well. I just ride the bike. I don’t make it, nor do I close down the streets on which to ride. Marty Gaal Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. LW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys are not alone in losing money, it happens every day in every sport and business and I hate it as much as anyone but look at it from the point of view of a business person. It is simply a debt just like the hundreds of other businesses that go broke every year this one hurts people but unlike a lot of business bankruptcies the athletes did not loose any of their own money apart from maybe travel costs etc. So they are crying fowl and trying to destroy a business, its name and the name of the backers/sponsors over what is essentially prize money won not actually money they had themselves invested, or entrusted on credit. That’s the reality of it and I do not condone in any manner or form race directors failing to meet contractual obligations for prize money but to look at the bigger picture there is now no USTS and people are making it even harder for someone to resurrect the USTS by constantly attacking it with rumours and other stories, even if they end up being true. So many people have stood up for the race director and there are as many good reports of the man and his business dealings as there are bad ones. What my point is that the USTS is an asset that can be sold or used to help recover the money lost. Just look at how many people keep asking about it and saying how not having the USTS is a big loss. Its a huge loss, not having a National series to compete in, a far bigger a loss to the sport than a handful of athletes loosing prize money. By posting constant defamatory remarks and rumours about the event, its parent company and its directors you are cutting your own throats. Sort of like burning down your own house to avoid paying mortgage payments to spite your bank, you still have the debt but now you don’t have the asset to sell to pay the debts!!! What would I do, find someone who can buy, or take over the USTS and hopefully rebuild it to a profit making venture, work with the previous management to get the real story on the losses suffered so the same mistakes should not be made again. If there is any signs of illegal or improper management then sure look at suing the management to recover costs. Ever wonder why a lot of bankruptcy trustees do not immediately make any statements of business dealings etc about company CEO’s and Directors after a company is placed into the hands of receivers/liquidators. Its because the small amount of information they are likely to get from the management could well help in explaining the companies losses and what and where they went wrong. With this knowledge they can make a more accurate call as to just how good an asset/business is left and if it is a viable entity that could pay its way clear of debt. LW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. Marty speaks the truth so there is no reason to flame him. Part of the problem is that pros are so used to getting paid months after the races that it has become the norm. "Letting the matter sort itself out" has been the problem. Had the athletes complained and insisted on getting paid on time early in the series maybe this whole situation could have been avoided. The pros gave Ken MONTHS to try to settle his debts or even provide an explanation. He has been virtually unreachable since October (invalid email address, unpaid website, Quest events dissolved) and when one pro was finally able to get him on the phone the connection got cut off. When he re-dialed, surprise, nobody picked up. We waited patiently for explanations and everyone wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. What is your suggestion? Believe me, we would be interested in any viable solution. -hug(also owed $$ from 2 NATS races)
Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. LW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – nobody got paid. They are collectively gonna sue Mr. McKenzie, who’s already facing a few other lawsuits. I don’t know who paid to keep the site alive, just another mystery to be unravelled. Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
YO! Lloyd…Since Marty is one of those unpaid pros, still waiting for his check from the USTS Series Championship race, I’d say his comments are as close as one can get to the real story. Since the USTS people have offered no comment at all, the maligned parties have a right to update us as to what is currently going on without being called liars and rumourmongers. If he refers to a lawsuit, I would assume that he is a part of it. cheers, Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not throw more rumours, lies, innuendo’s etc…. onto the fire and make sure they don’t have a chance to do the right thing and bail themselves out. If you can do better then sure stand up and say so otherwise how about letting the matter sort itself out and keep your rumours where they belong. LW nobody got paid. They are collectively gonna sue Mr. McKenzie, who’s already facing a few other lawsuits. I don’t know who paid to keep the site alive, just another mystery to be unravelled. Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
nobody got paid. They are collectively gonna sue Mr. McKenzie, who’s already facing a few other lawsuits. I don’t know who paid to keep the site alive, just another mystery to be unravelled. Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
Happened to log onto USTS’s site and it looks like they paid their $$$ to keep the site alive. Anyone heard updated news on whether the pros got paid from the 2000 races? Chris — "No success can compensate for failure in the home" — David O. McKay
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon » Who is John Du Pont ?
But before John DuPont murdered anyone in his paranoiac fit, he was a great promoter of triathlon, and a benefactor as well. I was one of many who received $1500 from him to defray costs of participating in the 1990(01?) world championships in France. Ruth Kazez
I was one of many who received $1500 from him to defray costs of participating in the 1990(01?) world championships in France.
So which one was it Ruth?? 1990 or 1901 ?? — MB.
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Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon » Lactic Acid Supplements
Go with sodium phosphate or Twin Labs "Phosfuel". You will find it to be far, far, far more effective. Seth Moore
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Any thoughts on Glutamine or Endurox for Lactic Acid management? Obviously I can train to raise my Lactic Acid threshholds however I typically train for 1/2 and full ironman distance races. Acid comes on quickly for sprints and ocassionally in Internationals. I don’t like to take supplements but it sucks to get a 3rd or 4th place when you’re still breathing through your nose and the legs won’t shake out…
Any thoughts on Glutamine or Endurox for Lactic Acid management? Obviously I can train to raise my Lactic Acid threshholds however I typically train for 1/2 and full ironman distance races. Acid comes on quickly for sprints and ocassionally in Internationals. I don’t like to take supplements but it sucks to get a 3rd or 4th place when you’re still breathing through your nose and the legs won’t shake out…
Any thoughts on Glutamine or Endurox for Lactic Acid management? Obviously I can train to raise my Lactic Acid threshholds however I typically train for 1/2 and full ironman distance races. Acid comes on quickly for sprints and ocassionally in Internationals. I don’t like to take supplements but it sucks to get a 3rd or 4th place when you’re still breathing through your nose and the legs won’t shake out…
I use them both with good results. Like caffeine, don’t use them continuously. Endurox is a form of ginseng (siberian) and results are comparable with other genseng products. Some suggest that you use it for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. I have done that, and I have also taken it just once weekly for high intensity workouts with similar results. I stop taking it about 10 days before a race, then begin again 2 days before. Also, pre-race carbo-loading and hydrating are important. Benefits of glutamine are not so obvious, I use it for after workout recovery along with a protein/banana shake during heavy training periods. It is my understanding that it speeds glucose uptake into the cells, helping to replenish glycogen levels. The protein also helps with recovery. Other supplements would be helpful during heavy training periods. I would bet that the 1st & second place finishers are. Your recovery time will be much faster. Food suplements are not drugs. I use a multivitamine/mineral, 1000 mg of C, and 400 iu of E would be helpful during the racing season. Some take much more. Perhaps a bit more strength/power/speed work would be in order too. FWIW, Frank "can’t all my workouts be anaerobic?" Wallace
According to my physiology class last night, Glutamine has a role in blood pH regulation at the Kidney. Glutamine generate new bicarbonate (the main buffer in the blood) and removes hydrogen ions from the blood. Despite this role however, I do not know if supplementation will would significantly affect lactic acid concentration in the blood. Instead of taking pills to place better, why not train smarter/better? In the long run high doses of supplements will probably do more harm than is worth it for a few more plastic trophies. Joel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Any thoughts on Glutamine or Endurox for Lactic Acid management? Obviously I can train to raise my Lactic Acid threshholds however I typically train for 1/2 and full ironman distance races. Acid comes on quickly for sprints and ocassionally in Internationals. I don’t like to take supplements but it sucks to get a 3rd or 4th place when you’re still breathing through your nose and the legs won’t shake out…
Geez, why would you want to supplement your Lactic Acid? I thought the idea was to get rid of it as quickly as possible! — Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon? Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html
According to my physiology class last night, Glutamine has a role in blood pH regulation at the Kidney. Glutamine generate new bicarbonate (the main buffer in the blood) and removes hydrogen ions from the blood. Despite this role however, I do not know if supplementation will would significantly affect lactic acid concentration in the blood. Instead of taking pills to place better, why not train smarter/better? In the long run high doses of supplements will probably do more harm than is worth it for a few more plastic trophies. Joel
Not to sound like a smart-a**, but it is the lactic acid in the muscle cells that we are talking about. Blood pH affects things like O2 transfer, etc (if my memory from 20 years ago is intact). Alka-seltzer is more effective at buffering the blood than glutamine and works on headaches too. Heres’s an observation that is sure to ignite some postings. I’ve read several postings recently that suggest that supplement use is undesirable. I see individuals at races who gulp caffeinated/carbonated drinks like they are going out of style. There is always someone drinking a cup of coffee or tea in the early twilight hours while setting up. Coca-cola is sometimes available at water stops during races. From my experience and readings caffeine/carbonated drinks enhance endurance like endurox. There are always the purists out there who swear off "supplements" of any kind. I will be the first to admit that supplements cannot replace a healthy lifestyle. Some herbal products can be downright dangerous (e.g., ephedrine), so let the user beware. But, if we all want to be purists, we can’t eat all those bananas, apples, and oranges because they were treated with pesticides. Stay away from chicken, there are antibiotics in their feed. Farm raised fish, the water is contaminated with things you don’t want to know about. I won’t get into beef or the other white meat. Soy flour, around here, the fertilizers and herbicides in agricultural runoff are causing problems with the waterways. Thanks, but I’ll continue taking my vitamin/mineral supplements, and enjoy a cup of green tea. We should all educate ourselves and take the approach that we are comfortable with. Frank "no, I didn’t have a bad day at work, honest" Wallace
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Olympic Triathlon » Triathlete Mag Mailing Issues – e-mail addresses
RST, Here’s the e-mail addresses for Triathlete magazine & subscription. Take one step beyond flaming them here in RST and bitch to’em directly about how the magazine comes later than on the newstands. I am. Chaz
RST, Here’s the e-mail addresses for Triathlete magazine & subscription. Take one step beyond flaming them here in RST and bitch to’em directly about how the magazine comes later than on the newstands. I am. Chaz
I’ve been trying to hold back on adding my 2 cents but I couldn’t resist any longer. If you think YOU get the magazine late, I wouldn’t even want to begin to tell you how long it takes to get paid. AND I have been writing since 1994 and I’m still NOT on the comp subscription list. I go to the newstand on campus and stand there to read my own articles to make sure it came out okay. I refuse to buy a magazine I contribute to. However, in defence for the mag, I know they moved operations to LaJolla and I believe that is the reason the Oct issue was delayed. I think things are moving forward. Perhaps they can get that Public Relations person to respond to the concerns of the triathlon public instead of releasing info telling us how subscriptions are up. o Lisa Lynam < / / TRI IT Communications –0 / / 48 Longwood Rd. S (*)/ (*) / TRI Web: http://www.retailbiz.com/lisa.html "Our greatest glory consists NOT in never falling, but in RISING each time we fall." Olympic Rower Silken Lauman’s favorite quote
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Triathlon Training » Training Question???
Questions: 1. Do you think I will be able to compete in a Sprint by the end of the summer using the above workout?
In my first season, I started training in July for a race in September, and used Town and Kearney as my guide. I made it through the swim, but barely, did OK on the bike, and had one of the best 5K’s of my life — not fast, just freaking wonderful. The schedule you outline came from the "Base" period of their year-round workout plan, and it corresponds to their 7-hour per week, Olympic distance program. I’ve been using that plan through three seasons now, building up to half-IM durations, and it works great for me. However, the purpose of the base training is to gradually build yourself up so you can push longer and harder several months later. Shorter workouts doing each mode, say, three times a week, *gradually* building in intensity, might serve you better. 3. What do you think about the mountain bike for training?
Great for training, and fine for racing, too. MTB’s aren’t fast, but they’re a heck of a lot of fun. Lastly, 4. How do I measure distance in the ocean, since I’ll be training on the east coast?
If you want to practice a specific distance, you can pace it off or otherwise estimate it between two points on shore, and then swim back and forth between those two points. Add 25 meters or whatever for your swim out and back, if you like. However, one of the great things about the Town and Kearney system is that you don’t have to worry about distance — just time and heart rate. If you swim (or bike or run) at a given heart rate for a given period of time, you’ll get the desired training effect. I only worry about distance when I do a time trial — an informal check every month or two to see if I really am getting faster. Good luck! The Carmel Group "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win." R.A.H.
Hi All!
Ok here is my NEW workout. 5-week beginner program, this is based on the book "SWIM, BIKE, RUN". In the book it was a 4 week base which then moved into an intensity program, peak, race, fnially recovery. I had to alter my schedule due to my work schedule, but I’ll still average about 6 hours a week training TRIATHLON TRAINING PROGRAM WEEK 1: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Bike 60% 2hr 3min Monday: Run 70% 15min Strength 65% 20min Tuesday: Swim 65% 1hr 2min Wednesday: Bike 75% 15min Strength 65% 20min Thursday: OFF Friday: Run 65% 1hr 2min Saturday: OFF Total Hours: 5hrs 17min
WEEK 2: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Bike 60% 2hr 19min Monday: Swim 75-80% 15min Strength 60-70% 20min Tuesday: Run (uphill) 90%(resistance) 18min BRICK Wednesday: Swim 65% 1hr 10min Bike 60% 1hr 10min
Thursday: OFF Friday: Run 75% 15min Strength 60% 20min Saturday: OFF Total Hours: 6hrs 11min
WEEK 3: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Run 65% 1hr 10min Monday: Bike 75% 15min Strength 65% 20min Tuesday: Swim (resistance)90% 20min BRICK Wednesday: Bike 60% 2hr 35min Run 65% 1hr 18min
Thursday: OFF Friday: Run 75% 17min Strength 60% 24min Saturday: OFF Total Hours: 6hrs 53min
WEEK 4: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Swim 65% 1hr 18min Monday: Bike 75% 18min Strength 60% 24min Tuesday: Bike(resistance)90% 22min BRICK Wednesday: Swim 60% 35min Bike 60% 1hr Run 65% 50min
Thursday: OFF Friday: Swim 75% 17min Strength 60% 24min Saturday: OFF Total Hours: 5hrs 47min
WEEK 5: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Bike 60% 1hr 58min Monday: Run 75% 11min Strength 60% 17min Tuesday: Swim 65% 59min Wednesday: Bike 75% 11min Strength 60% 17min Thursday: OFF Friday: Run 65% 59min Saturday: OFF Total Hours: 5hrs 26min
Please let me know what you think, I’m going to start on sunday Like I stated before, I am new to this sport, and am not to sure of the correct training schedule. Note the BRICK in the fourth week (ALL three events), Think that is pushing it? Thanks in advance Scott
1. Do you think I will be able to compete in a Sprint by the end of the summer using the above workout?
You shouldn’t have any problem. Judging by your workout lengths, you appear to be in good enough shape. My only suggestion is to include a brick or two. (A workout including biking and running, or swimming and biking). 3. What do you think about the mountain bike for training?
I have seen many people using mountain bikes in racing, not just training. In fact, I have been humbled on a couple of occassions by people riding mountain bikes in races. Just pound out the miles, and wait until you are firmly committed to the sport before spending a lot of money on a tri-bike. 4. How do I measure distance in the ocean, since I’ll be training on the east coast?
If you are doing coastline swims, just measure the coastline. (The dry part) Good racing David Barclay IMC 1997 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"
Hi All! I am new to this group, as well as to the sport. I have set a goal for myself to finish a Sprint Tri by the end of the season. However, I just set this goal and I’m afraid that I won’t have enough to time to train properly for it. Below is a sample of my NEW workout, which is based on Glenn Town and Todd Kearney’s book SWIM, BIKE, RUN. TRIATHLON TRAINING PROGRAM WEEK 1: Day Mode Intensity Duration Sunday: Bike 60% 2hr 3min Monday: Run 70% 12min Strength 65% 18min Tuesday: Swim 65% 1hr 2min Wednesday: Bike 75% 12min Strength 65% 18min Thursday: OFF Friday: Run 65% 1hr 2min Saturday: OFF Here is my problem: 1. I am a Paramedic and I work two (2), 24hr. shifts (Thurs and Sat). With the above schedule, I will not be able to work on a high intensity swim. 2. I can’t afford a road bike, right now. So, I’ll be training with a mountain bike using road tires. Questions: 1. Do you think I will be able to compete in a Sprint by the end of the summer using the above workout? 2. What do you think the best nutritional diet should be? (I need to lose like 15-20 pounds: I’m 5′10" and weigh 185 lbs.) 3. What do you think about the mountain bike for training? Lastly, 4. How do I measure distance in the ocean, since I’ll be training on the east coast? Thanks in advance Scott R.
Sport Triathlon Wiki » Ironman Triathlon » To draft or not to draft?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em. I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there….
Oh, I can top that! I had a couple of people actually get pissed at me for hollering "On your left!" and passing on their left when they were way the hell over in the lane. I think they thought I should have just passed them on their right. I went by and said, "It’s illegal to pass someone on the right, and you’re supposed to stay to the right all the time unless you’re actively passing." Of course, the next time the road went uphill just a bit, they’d pass Miss Clydesdale here right back and there they’d be once again, just sitting there on the left. It’s easy enough to forgive ignorance, but when they continue to break the rule after having been informed about it, that’s just plain rude. I just couldn’t believe this one woman who got really pissed at me; I yelled "On your left!" twice, and by that point I was right on top of her and committed to passing, and she would NOT move over. I actually wound up crossing over the center line because my hands were nowhere near the brakes and I couldn’t/wouldn’t pass on the right. She screamed something angrily at me and I hollered right back that she was blocking. A minute later she passed me back and stuck like glue to the left side of the lane. I eventually dropped her like a bad habit, but I was positively amazed by her rudeness. In contrast, there were two guys out there whom I passed while warning them that they were blocking, and as soon as they caught up to me again one of them said, "Sorry about the blocking; I didn’t know about it." I gave him a friendly 10-second explanation of drafting/blocking rules, for which he thanked me. The second guy caught up just then and said, "What’s the rule? I couldn’t hear." So at least some folks out there WANT to follow the rules—they just don’t know ‘em. Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
<big snip Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em. I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there…. Chaz
Ditto. I started about 2/3 back on the bike in my tri last weekend (slow seeded swim times will do that for ya), and saw no drafting but a ton of blocking as I edged my way up. "On your left" usually met with no sign of recognition (was I speaking French?). Some people (maybe some who buy USAT 1-day passes) just don’t know what blocking is, but others just don’t seem to worry about it. Drafting was denounced in our info packets, but blocking wasn’t mentioned. Perhaps a little more race-day education would cure some of the center-line attraction. — "The 100% Anti-Draft" Dragon MechE – Nokia Mobile Phones The man who believes he can do anything is probably right; So is the man who believes he can’t.
I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Tri-Baby
I have notices that some of the worst riding positions are found in the pro women’s field. The usual drill: glued to the center line with noone else in sight. Two or three loud "on your left"’s and then a pass on the right by me. The worst part is then the same woman will then scream at another rider "on your left! ON YOUR LEFT!" until they get out of the way. Maybe the stress level is a bit higher when you’re racing for you dinner. I wonder if the pro rule that states that cyclists must be staggered across the road is the reason for this riding style. If so, how do the officials differentiate between the pros and amateurs at a race like Wildflower where they’re both on the course at the same time? On the drafting front, I did not see much if at any. Maybe a few "in the zone" for a while, but no wheel sucking. Then again I did not see to many cyclists either. When you are pretty much alone, I would rather see a pair of people riding side by side and not drafting then right behind one another. Even though both are technically illegal. Mini race report; apply to all races until further notice: Great swim. Good bike. Died on the run. End report. myke — Tellmesomethingidontknowtellmesomethingicanusepushthebuttonconnectthegoddam ndots
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. My view from a little further up in the race merits a full SHEESH! Not only was blocking completely rampant, it was mighty drafty as well. I saw a lot of motorcycles and only one time was an athlete so much as warned — and that was for a minute-long yellow line violation. Granted, it was crowded out there for the first 10-15 miles, but there seemed to be minimal effort by officials and many athletes to follow the rules. Could have used old C.J. out there. Yup, that cowboy would have cleaned up the place. Mark Vande Kamp
As one of the officials at the International distance race on Sunday, I’d just like to note that blocking and drafting were high on the officiating agendas for the long course and international. From what I understand, somewhere between 60-70 blocking or drafting fouls were "awarded" on Saturday – this is 6-7% of the total number of participants. The number of position fouls called on Sunday were less, primarily due to the fact that there are few places on the out/back bike course that were conducive to drafting, although blocking fouls were looked for everywhere, especially on climbs. Joe Sventek
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: As one of the officials at the International distance race on Sunday, : I’d just : like to note that blocking and drafting were high on the officiating : agendas : for the long course and international. From what I understand, : somewhere between : 60-70 blocking or drafting fouls were "awarded" on Saturday – this is : 6-7% of the : total number of participants. : The number of position fouls called on Sunday were less, primarily due : to the fact : that there are few places on the out/back bike course that were : conducive to drafting, : although blocking fouls were looked for everywhere, especially on : climbs. : Joe Sventek Way to go, Joe! Glad you were there! -Charlie
Oh, Charlie, would that I were! Dan was giving me grief from here to next Tuesday at Wildflower, pushing, prodding, cajoling, GUILTING me to come to Oceanside, but alas, I have the triathlete’s age-old excuse for this one (did everyone see that article in Inside Tri last month?): I have to go to a wedding the night before the race. As a matter of fact, I’m a bridesmaid in said wedding (oh, always a bridesmaid!), so there is no slinking out of this one.
I assume it’s because you won’t be in town for the race. I did a triathlon the morning after my *own* wedding in September. Ken "got permission way ahead of time" Lehner
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. Tri-Baby _ - o ‘ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em. I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there…. Chaz
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even : worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in : the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would : politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and : rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just : don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all : the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone : penalized? Well. I’m coming to USTS Oceanside, so I’ll get a chance to see how folks in California are riding these days. Will you and your famous TR bars be there? -Charlie
Oh, Charlie, would that I were! Dan was giving me grief from here to next Tuesday at Wildflower, pushing, prodding, cajoling, GUILTING me to come to Oceanside, but alas, I have the triathlete’s age-old excuse for this one (did everyone see that article in Inside Tri last month?): I have to go to a wedding the night before the race. As a matter of fact, I’m a bridesmaid in said wedding (oh, always a bridesmaid!), so there is no slinking out of this one. I’m bummed, too, ’cause it sounds like it’s going to be a total hoot. Between Dan’s "anti-drafting device" and your presence, it’s sure to be the cleanest race ever seen in California to boot. *sigh* Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
: events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie
I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
: I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even : worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in : the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would : politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and : rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just : don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all : the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone : penalized? Well. I’m coming to USTS Oceanside, so I’ll get a chance to see how folks in California are riding these days. Will you and your famous TR bars be there? -Charlie
: events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie
Charlie – And you’ve assured me that Memphis is marshalled quite rigorously, right? Are you there? Chaz
To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays a very controversial issue. Living in Europe I’m in favour of allowing drafting for the simple reason that in the majority of our competitions the cycling phase develops on narrow roads and the number of officials available doesn’t allow a credible control. Legal drafting is better than an illegal one which in our roads and with the actual controls would take place anyway.
To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays a very controversial issue. Living in Europe I’m in favour of allowing drafting for the simple reason that in the majority of our competitions the cycling phase develops on narrow roads and the number of officials available doesn’t allow a credible control. Legal drafting is better than an illegal one which in our roads and with the actual controls would take place anyway.
In events where the course/conditions make it literally impossible to avoid drafting, I’d say the race director should consider making it a draft-legal event. It’s ridiculous to deny cold hard realities like narrow roads combined with large, competitive fields. I’ve got nothing against draft-legal racing per se; it’s just that rules have to be established one way or the other, and then enforced. And I personally don’t feel that draft-legal racing should be representative of our sport to the world at large—in other words, I don’t think the Olympics or the World Championships should be draft legal. For other events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! Just my $.02. Tri-Baby _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie
: events, sure, why not? But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie
I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie. Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking. Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it. I just don’t understand! Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line??? Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh.
My view from a little further up in the race merits a full SHEESH! Not only was blocking completely rampant, it was mighty drafty as well. I saw a lot of motorcycles and only one time was an athlete so much as warned — and that was for a minute-long yellow line violation. Granted, it was crowded out there for the first 10-15 miles, but there seemed to be minimal effort by officials and many athletes to follow the rules. Could have used old C.J. out there. Yup, that cowboy would have cleaned up the place. Mark Vande Kamp
To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays one of the most controversial issues of triathlon and it cannot be dismissed with a few words in favour or against. In Europe, the cycling phase of a race in the majority of the competitions, develops on narrow roads where a credible control by the officials is often impossible. For this reason I think that official drafting is to prefer to illegal drafting which would take place anyway!
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Triathlete/biathletes – I’m looking for training tips that will help improve my bike split and the ‘rubber-leg’ effect of running immediately after biking. I’ve reached a speed plateau on the bike that I can’t seem to go beyond.
The book "Training and Racing Biathlons" by Mark Sisson is an excellent book that covers endurance, strength, and speed training specifically for biathlons. I think his "brick" workouts will help you overcome the ‘rubber-leg’ effect. — Andy Ross — University of Pennsylvania
Triathlete/biathletes – I’m looking for training tips that will help improve my bike split and the ‘rubber-leg’ effect of running immediately after biking. I’ve reached a speed plateau on the bike that I can’t seem to go beyond. Thanks in advance… Mike Gilson
I competed in triathlons a few years ago and due to a knee injury from running I started racing bikes exclusively. I have just recently started running again with some success so I am looking at competing in some up-coming biathlons. Here are some tips I used for triathlons and for my favorite pasttime, USCF Time Trialing. 1. To help with the bike/run transistion, practice transistions by doing a shorter than usual well paced run followed by a simulated transistion and a shorter than usual well paced bike. This will train your legs for the change in required muscle groups. Also if you haven’t tried one of the forward position seat posts, try one. It seems to help me. 2. To help with the bike split itself a variety of training methods can to be used on a weekly basis. o Power intervals that get you anerobic with good recovery. o Two-a-day rides, morning and afternoon for better quality workouts. o Weight training (if it suits you and if its available). A few times a month you can o Anerobic threshold train for a good time trail distance (40km). These are some of the training methods I use. They may work for you just as well as they do me or they may not. The best method is to try a variety of training techniques until you find out what your body responds best too. Above all listen to your body and make changes slowly over time to avoid injury. Jesus is my Rock and my name is on the Roll !! Steve Jernigan, Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, Al.
Triathlete/biathletes – I’m looking for training tips that will help improve my bike split and the ‘rubber-leg’ effect of running immediately after biking. I’ve reached a speed plateau on the bike that I can’t seem to go beyond. Thanks in advance… Mike Gilson