Low profile "Ironman" style watches?

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Personally I’ve started wearing my watch on my wrist. It’s just too much hassle to zip down and whip out ever time I want to see what time it is.

Somehow, I can’t see you having publicly inquired about more compact watches under those circumstances.

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At least the question was about Ironman instead of Limpman.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally I’ve started wearing my watch on my wrist. It’s just too much hassle to zip down and whip out ever time I want to see what time it is. Somehow, I can’t see you having publicly inquired about more compact watches under those circumstances.

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There is one low profile timex triathlon watch available.  I have one and I like it, I can wear it with a dress shirt and the sleeve slides over it without a problem. It is on sale at a great price on the Performance web site, the address for it at Performance is: http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.html?SKU=6395 However, the one on sale is not solid black, it is a bluish color.  The one I got was a gray color. Another thing is this one only recalls 8 laps.  The bigger ones recall 50 or 100 laps. It is the lowest profile triathlon watch I have seen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any good Timex-Ironman type watches that are thin and not so big.  I don’t really want to buy a ladies watch but I don’t like having a big thick bulky watch on my wrist. Thx

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Are there any good Timex-Ironman type watches that are thin and not so big.  I don’t really want to buy a ladies watch but I don’t like having a big thick bulky watch on my wrist. Thx

Check out Freestyle.

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There is one low profile timex triathlon watch available.  I have one and I like it, I can wear it with a dress shirt and the sleeve slides over it without a problem.

Please don’t do that!  It’s double-extra geeky.  Stick to wearing the tri watch with sports clothes and the gold bulova with a dress shirt. Don’t make me bring Fabio in here…. Mark M

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I do wear a dress watch with my dress shirt, usually.  I just mentioned that fact to illustrate how slim the watch is. I do appreciate the fashion advice, however. Now, if I could just remember to zip my pants up after exiting the men’s room I would be in good shape.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is one low profile timex triathlon watch available.  I have one and I like it, I can wear it with a dress shirt and the sleeve slides over it without a problem. Please don’t do that!  It’s double-extra geeky.  Stick to wearing the tri watch with sports clothes and the gold bulova with a dress shirt. Don’t make me bring Fabio in here…. Mark M

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The zipper up makes you more aero but sometimes it’s nice to feel the breeze on a hot day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do wear a dress watch with my dress shirt, usually.  I just mentioned that fact to illustrate how slim the watch is. I do appreciate the fashion advice, however. Now, if I could just remember to zip my pants up after exiting the men’s room I would be in good shape. There is one low profile timex triathlon watch available.  I have one and I like it, I can wear it with a dress shirt and the sleeve slides over it without a problem. Please don’t do that!  It’s double-extra geeky.  Stick to wearing the tri watch with sports clothes and the gold bulova with a dress shirt. Don’t make me bring Fabio in here…. Mark M

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Personally I’ve started wearing my watch on my wrist. It’s just too much hassle to zip down and whip out ever time I want to see what time it is. BW (Bulova Wanker) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do wear a dress watch with my dress shirt, usually.  I just mentioned that fact to illustrate how slim the watch is. I do appreciate the fashion advice, however. Now, if I could just remember to zip my pants up after exiting the men’s room I would be in good shape. There is one low profile timex triathlon watch available.  I have one  and  I like it, I can wear it with a dress shirt and the sleeve slides over it without a problem. Please don’t do that!  It’s double-extra geeky.  Stick to wearing the tri watch with sports clothes and the gold bulova with a dress shirt. Don’t make me bring Fabio in here…. Mark M

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wet suit question

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Hay,      Their are many places that may rent them to you also. I live in D.C. so there are quite a few. Look at high end bike stores.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to try my first triathlon this spring. It is gonna be in may so I guess I’ll have to swim with a wet suit… Are there specificaly designed wet suits for triathlon or my best friend’s sailing board or diving wet suit would do the job ? Any advice for a guy who never swam with a wet suit ? Thanks, Christ.

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A tight fitting wetsuit is a wonderful thing if you’re not an efficient swimmer. Most wetsuits that aren’t specifically for swim racing are too loose to be fast. If you plan to do many races just get a good one in the correct size and be done with it. I don’t especially like swimming in the wetsuit, but 2/3rds of my races are wetsuit legal; I’d lose too much time to go without it… Steve www.Tri-eCoach.com

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I plan to try my first triathlon this spring. It is gonna be in may so I guess I’ll have to swim with a wet suit… Are there specificaly designed wet suits for triathlon or my best friend’s sailing board or diving wet suit would do the job ? Any advice for a guy who never swam with a wet suit ? Thanks, Christ.

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Christian, There are wetsuits specifically designed for triathlons, but if I were you, (and I was last year) I would save my money for now.  You could easily get away with using your friends wetsuit, as long as it isn’t too hard to swim in.  Try it out in the pool, and if its not comfortable go to a dive shop and rent one which is easier to swim in.  That generally involves getting one with short sleeves and thin neoprene.  When you’re hooked, then talk to people you trust and then go buy one. Good Luck Jason

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to try my first triathlon this spring. It is gonna be in may so I guess I’ll have to swim with a wet suit… Are there specificaly designed wet suits for triathlon or my best friend’s sailing board or diving wet suit would do the job ? Any advice for a guy who never swam with a wet suit ? Thanks, Christ.

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ironman training program?

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Thanks everyone for the advice,  I have had about two weeks off from my last marathon, and I am getting ready to start again.  It looks like I will be doing a lot of swimming and biking for at least 4 weeks,  I just found out today I got a stress fracture in my foot from the last marathon. Thanks Again Ron C

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Hi Ron, As someone who completed his first IM last year (IM-USA, 13:47 – looking to *kill* that number next year), I know where you’re coming from.  Last winter I decided that I needed help planning a schedule for IM-USA given my limited swimming and biking background (was a marathon runner) and lack of experience creating a periodized training plan to peak me for the big day. I signed up with Coach Troy and would recommend him to anybody.  At his price-point, he’s pretty hard to beat.  Has lots of plans to satisfy the true beginner or tri-gods like Joanna Z.  If you’re looking for a more personalized plan read below. This year I switched to rst’s Gordo Byrn, http://www.coachgordo.com, and haven’t regretted it for a second.  A bit pricier, but well worth it IMHO.  From his "humble" beginnings (i.e. recent age-group athlete like ourselves) to IMC age-group medal winner, I think Gordo has a unique perspective that some of the "top" coaches don’t (says Clive not intimating that Gordo is not a top coach).  He understands that we all can’t crank out 30 hr workout weeks due to jobs, overtraining, etc. and the importance of the monthly recovery week.  I’ve found him to be very accomodating of my questions and has helped me immensely in my fundamental understanding of recovery, nutrition, periodization and more.  If you go with Gordo, you will not be disappointed. In any case, good luck, and *definately* pick up Joe Friel’s book "The Triathlete’s Training Bible".   A good read which allows you to build your own Annual Training Plan (ATP) (TM). Get back to me if you have any questions. Cheers. Clive – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a good Ironman Training program.  I am going to race the PineMan in Ohio in 2001. Thanks Ron C Depending on what shape you are currently in, triathlete magazine had a 7 month training program that was authored by Paula Newby-Frasier last year.  I would imagine that its pretty good<g.  If not, you can always look for a coach’s program.  I believe that some of the more popular ones are at multisport.com and coachtroy.com  I think that multisport.com is by Paul Huddle and Roch Frey and is highly recommended.  The coachtroy.com program is by Troy Jacobson and is also highly regarded.

Before you buy.

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Gale and Joe work together in Ultrafit Associates.  www.ultrafit.com Her book is built using Joe’s system.  Please let us know how you find the plan. Cheers, gordo

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Hi Ron – One thing to add… Remember that your recovery weeks and rest days are the most important days in your program.  Some folks gradually grind themselves down with IM training.  Train consistently, recover often. Cheers, gordo

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If you are training toward’s Pineman then preparing for 112 miles of relentless hills should be high on your list of preparation.  By comparison the swim and run on this course are easy :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a good Ironman Training program.  I am going to race the PineMan in Ohio in 2001. Thanks Ron C

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I am looking for a good Ironman Training program.  I am going to race the PineMan in Ohio in 2001. Thanks Ron C

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Ron,         I would recommend Joel Friel’s Triathlete Training Bible or Gale Bernhardt’s new book of Multisport Training Plans (which looks like she worked up using Friel’s book as a reference).  I survived 2 IM’s (IMUSA ‘99 & Vineman ‘00) using self-devised plans loosely based on the Training Bible with moderate success.  I thought I’d try IMCal next May using Gale’s 26-week training plan—-next week is week #1!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a good Ironman Training program.  I am going to race the PineMan in Ohio in 2001. Thanks Ron C

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I am looking for a good Ironman Training program.  I am going to race the PineMan in Ohio in 2001. Thanks Ron C

Depending on what shape you are currently in, triathlete magazine had a 7 month training program that was authored by Paula Newby-Frasier last year.  I would imagine that its pretty good<g.  If not, you can always look for a coach’s program.  I believe that some of the more popular ones are at multisport.com and coachtroy.com  I think that multisport.com is by Paul Huddle and Roch Frey and is highly recommended.  The coachtroy.com program is by Troy Jacobson and is also highly regarded. Before you buy.

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Recumbant for ironman?

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Are there any restrictions that would prevent someone from using a recumbant for an Ironman or half-Ironman? You’d give up some speed, but if you’re just there to finish, your legs, back, neck, and butt would be much fresher for the run. Any thoughts or sightings of such? Dave Before you buy.

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Are there any restrictions that would prevent someone from using a recumbant for an Ironman or half-Ironman?

Recumbents are specifically banned from USAT sanctioned events. Charlie Crawford USAT Commissioner of Officials

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Hi Dave, in Germany recumbants are not allowed in the bike leg of any triathlon. Best wishes Ulrich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any restrictions that would prevent someone from using a recumbant for an Ironman or half-Ironman? You’d give up some speed, but if you’re just there to finish, your legs, back, neck, and butt would be much fresher for the run. Any thoughts or sightings of such? Dave

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I have never seen one in use in an Ironman, but in any event here are the USA Triathlon rules regarding bikes. 5.11 Bicycle Specifications. All bicycles and bicycle equipment used in USA Triathlon sanctioned events must conform to the specifications set forth in this Section. Any participant using a nonconforming bicycle or otherwise violating this Section shall be disqualified. (a) Length cannot exceed two meters, and width cannot exceed 75 centimeters. (b) The distance from the ground to the center of the chain wheel axle must measure at least 24 centimeters. (c) A vertical line touching the front most point of the saddle may be no more than 5 centimeters in front of and no more than 15 centimeters behind a vertical line passing through the center of the chain wheel axle, and the cyclist must not have the capability of adjusting the saddle beyond these limits during competition. (d) The "front-to-center" distance, which is defined as the distance between a vertical line passing through the center of the chain wheel axle and a vertical line passing through the center of the front axle, must measure not less than 54 centimeters and no more than 65 centimeters, except that in the case of bicycles for taller participants (where the distance between the center of the chain wheel axle and the top of the saddle is greater than 80 centimeters), the front-to-center distance cannot exceed 68 centimeters and, in the case of bicycles for shorter cyclists (where the distance between the center of the chain wheel axle and the top of the saddle is less than 71 centimeters), the front-to-center distance cannot be less than 50 centimeters. Applicability of the two foregoing exceptions is determined by measuring from a point on top of the saddle which is 14 centimeters behind the front most point of the saddle. (e) There must be no protective shield, fairing, or other device on any part of the bicycle (including frame, wheels, handlebars, chain wheel, and accessories) which has the effect of reducing resistance. Aerodynamic carriers for food, water, and or cycling provisions may be attached to or be an integral part of the aero-handlebars if they meet the following guidelines:      (i) the carrier can pass from front to rear, through a rectangular loop with      dimensions of 10 inches (25 cm) in width and 8 inches (20 cm) in height.      (ii) The front of the carrier is behind the cyclist’s hands when the hands are placed      in their customary position on the end of the aerobars, and      (iii) The length of the carrier is no greater than 10 inches (25 cm) front to rear. When the carrier is an integral part of the aerobar, this integrated unit must be able to pass through the rectangular loop defined in (i) above and the carrier portion of the unit must meet criteria (ii) and (iii). In the event that compliance with this section is in doubt with respect to any particular carrier or integrated unit, a member of USA Triathlon may submit the carrier or integrated unit to USA Triathlon for evaluation. (f) No additional equipment, whether it is worn under the competitor’s clothing, over the competitors clothing, or is otherwise attached to the athlete’s body, which has the effect of reducing wind resistance is permitted. An exception is the use of safety helmets as described in Section 5.9. Such helmets may have the effect of reducing the wind resistance of the head only. (g) Except as otherwise determined by the race director in the interest of safety, the front wheel may be of a different diameter than the rear wheel, but the front wheel must be of spoke construction. The rear wheel may be either spoke or solid construction. Wheel covers shall only be permitted on the rear wheel. (h) No wheel may contain any mechanism, which is capable of accelerating the wheel. (i) Handlebars and stem must be fashioned to prevent any danger. All handlebar ends must be solidly plugged to lessen the possibility of injury. (j) There must be one working brake on each of the two wheels. (k) All aspects of the bicycle must be safe to the user and to other participants in the event. Minimum safety standards include, but are not limited to, properly glued and sealed tires, tight headset and handlebars, and true wheels. 5.12 Untraditional or Unusual Bicycle Equipment. Any unusual bicycle construction or equipment to which the specifications in Section 5.11 cannot easily be applied shall be illegal unless prior approval is received from the Head Referee before the equipment is used in the event. Any violation of this Section shall result in disqualification.

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The winter of my discontent

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Mike, yesterdays post was directed at the "kid".     Hope you get well soon and I expect you will.    The old bodies are amazing things if you give them a chance.     mine gets awfully abused at times but keeps coming back for more.    Give it a little time and enjoy the other little goodies that are there to enjoy.   See you at the start line soon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee Mike,  you are starting to sound like my dad () with all this whining :^)   Don’t lose hope though, things will get better. Dad got over his flu, and his ribs and shoulder are doing pretty good too.  You’ll be back training before you know it. Rich "trying to get a rise out of the old man" DaVico I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike

Mike, 1999 will be a year that I hope to soon forget. After nearly 20 years of moderate to high level triathlon racing and training at age 38, with numerous age-groups wins and placing, a number of out-right wins, 9 Ironman triathlons and so many other races that I have lost count, the wheels came totally off my little red wagon last year. A bad knee, a bad back and a number of colds deep sixed almost an entire year of training and racing(I ran one 10k back in the spring). Sure I got hurt along the way in the 20 years and I had many aches and pains, but the physical problems last year would not go away even with the best and most intensive medical care that I could get. Then there were the colds. I think that I was sick more times in the last year than I had been in the previous 15. The final kick in the shins came  just before the new year(2000) when I came down with the "flu" and this morphed into full blown pneumonia. I am only now getting the strength back to go for a walk. I was in bed for almost two weeks. I am told it will be perhaps another month until I can run again. The irony about 1999 and all the problems is that it was a year I had planned on doing very little. No major races. Just train for fitness and fun. It seemed odd to me that in the year that I trained the least, I had the most problems, physical and healthwise that I have ever experienced. These problems never seemed to come up when I was putting in the 20 hr training weeks getting ready for an Ironman Naturally, I have been feeling a bit down. However, the recent news of the challenges that Karen Smyers, Greg Welch and Carol Montgomery where facing seemed to put my owm situation back in perspective. All of a sudden it really did not seem to matter. All three have had very serious medical problems thrust upon them in the last month. I have met all three of these great athletes and I know that despite the seriousness of their individual medical situations I know that they will be keeping an upbeat attitude and doing everything they can to get better with a good sense of humour and a solid spirit of determination. Cheer up. Life goes on. Steve Fleck

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I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike

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I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS!

Hope you get to feeling better soon.  I hate winter rode just 10 mile today nearly froze dont believe my toes will ever get warm again. Tri-man (G.C.T.) 94,95,96,97,98,99       Callaway Gardens Triathlon 93,94,95,96,97,98, Chattanooga Dam Triathlon  96,97,98,99,

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I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring…..

Time to order that M5 — "just for the showroom floor." C&D’s One Lap of America would be bitchin’ cross training, too. Marc Rhatigan Wake me to reply. Remove zzz…

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   Gee Mike,  you are starting to sound like my dad () with all this whining :^)   Don’t lose hope though, things will get better. Dad got over his flu, and his ribs and shoulder are doing pretty good too.  You’ll be back training before you know it. Rich "trying to get a rise out of the old man" DaVico I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike

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Well, hang in there.  We all have problems.  This year, I promised to do better and started my Y2000 training in earnest January 2.  By January 9 I had the flu, which turned to bronchitis, and I think I have to start my January schedule all over again. But hey, the fun is in the training, right?  Overcoming adversity seems to me to be a trademark of triathletes.  If not, I better quit because I am WAY to weak and old and fragile and tired for this type of thing… John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike

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    I’m gonna kick your young tail if you get selected for Keauhou-Kona, seven broken ribs,  broken collarbone and a punctured lung will not hold me back.    They are just minor nuisances.    You better get off the Puter and onto the bike "boy",  I may be coming your way.   You might also want to jump into that wimp pool in your back yard and do a couple strokes.   The broken collarbone has made me more flexible,  1 inch narrower and a bit quicker.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Gee Mike,  you are starting to sound like my dad () with all this whining :^)   Don’t lose hope though, things will get better. Dad got over his flu, and his ribs and shoulder are doing pretty good too.  You’ll be back training before you know it. Rich "trying to get a rise out of the old man" DaVico I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Mike: Dude. It may be hard to understand this advice right now, but take full advantage of your break. As a fellow east coaster, I have allowed the winter blues and/or injury to suck me in on occasion. My best race season (including my Ironman PR) came about after beginning my base phase in late February, early March. My annual rites of passage normally begins after the first session of the "multi-sport school of champions" in San Diego. (The softride is normally still in the box from Hawaii when I trek out to California in March). It is not impossible to overcome this setback and still have a reasonably good season. I tend to put fewer expectations on my races when getting off to a late season start. I’m sure you have years of a base to fall back on. You may surprise yourself on how well you can do starting your season undertrained opposed to overtrained. If you can, get in the gym and begin a weight training program that doesn’t conflict with your current injuries. This will pay off in a big way once your ready to get back on the program. How about some "aqua jogging" a couple days of week?? You may find this diversity refreshing. Most of all, keep your sense of humor. Cheers Keith Ironman Wetsuits www.IronmanWetsuits.com 800.897.6464 804.288.6000

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sitting here coughing, shivering, and laughing at my situation. This winter SUCKS! If you’re following the saga, you know I can’t run or bike due to sciatica, and that my back MRI came back normal. My shoulders are way messed up from swimming, so I can’t do that either. Now I have the flu, and it has wiped me out. Every day is one day closer to spring….. Mike

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Where to get best price on Cytomax?

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Champion Nutrition used to have a web page, but the url is now defunct.  A search on the net yields nothing.  I found a place on the net called Advantage Nutrition that sells the stuff for $28.00/4.5lbs.  The url for them is http://www.advnut.com/.  Brad Kearns had a little setup going where you could order all those things pretty cheap.  Don’t know if it lasted.  I used to get all kinds of ads for it. I don’t know of anywhere you’ll get if for much less.  MetroSport will no doubt order it for you if they don’t have it in stock.  Unfortunately they will also probably charge you a bundle for it.  This is probably where they wanted $37!!?? I hope this helps… Craig (Now in Jo’burg South Africa where 4.5 lbs (2kilos) of Cytomax go for 370 rand.  That’s over $70!!!!) Sullivan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie

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I get my Champion stuff from Nutrition Express:  cyto’ for $27.99, metabolol for $22.72.  800.338.7979. cheers, vaughn RE: the "team champion" brad kearns thing below, it’s now a goner. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Champion Nutrition used to have a web page, but the url is now defunct.  A search on the net yields nothing.  I found a place on the net called Advantage Nutrition that sells the stuff for $28.00/4.5lbs.  The url for them is http://www.advnut.com/.  Brad Kearns had a little setup going where you could order all those things pretty cheap.  Don’t know if it lasted.  I used to get all kinds of ads for it. I don’t know of anywhere you’ll get if for much less.  MetroSport will no doubt order it for you if they don’t have it in stock.  Unfortunately they will also probably charge you a bundle for it.  This is probably where they wanted $37!!?? I hope this helps… Craig (Now in Jo’burg South Africa where 4.5 lbs (2kilos) of Cytomax go for 370 rand.  That’s over $70!!!!) Sullivan Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie

– Vaughn Cooper Center for Microbial Ecology Michigan State University Vineman ‘96 11:27:12; IMC ‘97 10:10:44

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Nutrition Express’s phone # 800-338-7979.  Great prices on Champion Nutrition Products. Cytomax 4.5 lbs. $27.99 Metabolol 2.3 lbs. $22.72 Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where. Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby Dexter Sports Science is the lowest I’ve found. If you find lower, they’ll match, and they have an additional quantity 4 discount.  $27.95 for 4.5 ‘er.   http://www.dsportscience.com/ Chaz

They’re nice people too. JT

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 Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby

I know that Colorado Cyclist was having a sale for $30.99, but that’s the cheapest I’ve seen in the past month.  Luckily, my LBS got enough courage to reduce his giant cans to $31.99!!  That’s a first for him selling nutritional stuff below ‘his cost’! — Tri Your Hardest!   /O     ___o      o    ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)      /           Darrin Bartlett

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Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby

 Dexter Sports Science is the lowest I’ve found. If you find lower, they’ll match, and they have an additional quantity 4 discount.  $27.95 for 4.5 ‘er.    http://www.dsportscience.com/ Chaz

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Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby

Colorado Cyclist 800/688-8600 and Excel Sports 800/627-6664 both sell the big can for 29.95. I haven’t been able to find it for less. Cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody Miami

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Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Tricia, I can’t remember the exact price, but I loaded up at Slough’s on Race Street in San Jose last year. It was well below any price I had found locally. Hopefully, it still is, since I’m about out too! Bruce "Slugman" Maxwell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Header says it all.  Time to restock the supplies!  I know I’ve seen the 4.5 pound can for $27.99 somewhere, I just can’t remember where.  Local bike and running shops have outrageous prices ($37 at one!).  Where should I look on the Web (or, locally, on the SF Peninsula)? Thanks! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie

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I get a catalog from a company called Nutrition Express.  They have great prices and a flat $4.00 shipping charge. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Try webvitamins at www.webvitamins.com. You can call them or order directly on the web-Great people!! They carry just about everthing with the best prices I could find.  Cytomax-26.89,  Metabol-21.89. Tom

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Nutrition question / Sodium

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Flame me outta here if it’s too far off subject. Regarding sodium – what’s the right amount? Can you intake too little sodium?  If so, what’s the symptom?  How do you know if you are overdoing the sodium?  What’s sodium role? Thanks! "Life’s a brick"

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Flame me outta here if it’s too far off subject. Regarding sodium – what’s the right amount?

        There are no know requirements for minimal intake.  For an adult, 500mg of Na+ (in a healthy person).  An upper limit of 6g/day of sodium chloride has been recommended. Sodium is a major ion in extracellular fluids and regulates plasma volume as well as nerve conduction and muscle contraction. If you are eating anywhere close to a normal US diet, you are getting plenty of sodium unless you have a disorder in which you sweat out a lot of electrolytes (these are rare).  High salt intake may make you thirsty a lot since your body wants to dilute the plasma.  You will also retain water since the body will try to preserve a proper balance. BTW, Western diets tend to be 10-12 g of salt per day (4g of Na).   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you intake too little sodium?  If so, what’s the symptom?  How do you know if you are overdoing the sodium?  What’s sodium role? Thanks! "Life’s a brick"

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Flame me outta here if it’s too far off subject. Regarding sodium – what’s the right amount? Can you intake too little sodium?  If so, what’s the symptom?  How do you know if you are overdoing the sodium?  What’s sodium role?

Karl— Check out the excellent piece on this topic written by RST’s own Dr. Mark Jenkins (Jenky) at http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/salt.html Cheers– Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Womens saddle?

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My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you experienced ladies out there. Thanks in advance, Malte

I have a Georgiana Terry saddle (don’t remember the name of the style) that has the cutout in the front with a little wider seat that I have had for about 4 years on two different bikes.  Terry makes alot of womens saddle and bike clothes and equip for women only.  Good luck, Deb

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: My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she : rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither : one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you : experienced ladies out there. : : Thanks in advance, : : Malte I’ve been riding a Vetta women’s saddle for six years now and I’m very comfortable in it.  I think it cost around $25, when I got it, but my memory isn’t too clear. Women vary, riding styles vary, and there are now a number of companies that make women’s saddles.  Is there a bike shop near you that will let her try out a few different saddles?  The problem, of course, is that a trip around the block won’t tell you how the seat will feel after 50 miles…. Hope this helps. Heide New York City

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My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you experienced ladies out there. Thanks in advance, Malte

Hi!  I’ve been using the Terry Racing Saddle for the past year.  I can testify that save mounting a big old overstuffed recliner on my seat post, I thought I would never find comfort in the bike saddle.  This seat is NOT clunky or huge (a la those spring loaded beach cruiser saddles), but somehow works very well for the female geography.  Mention to your wife that in addition to buying a woman’s saddle, it is also absolutely not a waste of money, rather a wise investment to buy WOMEN’s Cycling shorts.  I find Cannondale and Pearl Izumi to be the best.  I don’t find that Performance or Nashbar have a lot of comfort to offer. They’re great for other things, but for the bike shorts, you have to spend the money and try them out.  I now log many happy miles and owe my first race season last year (including a 1/2 IM) to this wisdom. Kendra

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My wife has tried them all – first it was the Selle Italia Lady Turbo – that was better than the seat that came with her bike, but not much.   She then tried the Terry women’s racing saddle, which was a big improvement – but still not great.   Finally, another local triathlete turned her on to the T-Gear Pinnacle saddle.  You may have seen these, they have a large hole in the center of the saddle.  Since she got it she’s been riding problem free. -Darrin

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My wife has tried them all – first it was the Selle Italia Lady Turbo – that was better than the seat that came with her bike, but not much.   She then tried the Terry women’s racing saddle, which was a big improvement – but still not great.   Finally, another local triathlete turned her on to the T-Gear Pinnacle saddle.  You may have seen these, they have a large hole in the center of the saddle.  Since she got it she’s been riding problem free – guess I’ll need a new birthday idea this year… -Darrin

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I use a Terry women’s racing saddle with a QR Mr. Softie saddle cover. I’ve just ordered a Mt. Softie which has thicker neoprene all over.  I think the key to finding a saddle that fits is measuring the distance between your bones and getting a saddle that gives your bones support so that you have three points bearing your weight instead of just one.  I also find that aero-position is more comfortable for me than a regular upright position. And I agree that womens shorts are a thousand times better than mens. Although you’ve got to be careful.  Some of the things that are passed off as womens shorts have a seam right across the front which makes NO sense to me.  

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My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you experienced ladies out there. Thanks in advance, Malte

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My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you experienced ladies out there. Thanks in advance, Malte

Malte, I am not a lady, but I train with several very fast ones.  Two of them use the Avocet O2 Ladies’ racing saddle, which has the plastic shell cut out under the nose.  This saddle is as light as they come (210gm), while being very cush.  It is, however, also one of the more expensive saddles out there (about $85US).  They seem to think that it is worth the price. BTW, I also know of several male triathletes who also use the O2 ladies’ saddle to help relieve the pressure while in the aerobars.  I have the conventional model myself and love it. Cameron

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I had a lot of trouble finding a comfortable saddle.  I found that "women’s" saddles did nothing for me -except the too wide back pushed me onto a too short nose-NOT comfortable.  I’ve finally settled on the Vetta TT Trishock MTB saddle-  It’s fairly light (sorry, don’t have the weight) & has some give.  I have one on both my road bike and my mountain bike, if that tells you how much I like it. Sue

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My wife is lokking for a light and comfortable saddle for her bike (she rides a road frame with syntace clip-ons) since her old one is neither one nor the other. We`d be grateful for any tips and comments from you experienced ladies out there.

If you can find one any more, the Selle Italia Lady Turbo is probably the most comfortable saddle I’ve ever ridden.  I don’t know if they’re still making them, however.  And they may be a tad heavier than the newer saddles. Right now I have a Lady Turbo on my "second" bike, and a Selle San Marco Squadra HDP (women’s) on my racing machine.  Both are excellent saddles. The Squadra is considerably lighter, and only slightly less comfy than the Turbo. Good luck!  A comfortable saddle is tough to find, because you can never really be sure until you’ve ridden several miles on it, and how often will a shop allow you to test ride a dozen different saddles? Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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You need a rest day when…

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I was standing at the counter multi-tasking. (Don’t all triathletes try to do at least three things at once in the kitchen?) I was saute-ing garlic and onion and chopping broccoli, while toasting an English muffin to pack for the next days breakfast. I got ready to pack up my mueslix cereal for breakfast and I poured the cereal into my (as of yet untouched) glass of chardonnay. Right then, I knew I had made the right decision to take another rest day. Cathy Corning

Tee-hee!  Sounds like me.  I used to judge how hard I was training by how many forks I would get out while my lunch (pasta) was cooking.  I would start with one, put it on the table, immediately forget that I had done it and get out another one……when I had three or more out in the two minutes it took to cook the noodles, I knew I was working a little TOO hard….      TriGal

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. After a tough race in Muncie on Sunday, I took Monday off. Tuesday   morning I decided to sleep in. I thought, well, I can always go for a short easy bike ride after work. But after work, I decided I still     felt kind of wiped out so I’d take another rest day. I felt guilty about it but I do want to at least be respectable in Chicago this weekend. I was standing at the counter multi-tasking. (Don’t all triathletes try to do at least three things at once in the kitchen?) I was saute-ing garlic and onion and chopping broccoli, while toasting an English muffin to pack for the next days breakfast. I got ready to pack up my mueslix cereal for breakfast and I poured the cereal into my (as of yet untouched) glass of chardonnay. Right then, I knew I had made the right decision to take another rest day. Cathy Corning

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I was standing at the counter multi-tasking. [snip...] poured the cereal into my (as of yet untouched) glass of chardonnay. Right then, I knew I had made the right decision to take another rest day.

funny you should mention this… i’ve always used minor household accidents and brain lapses such as this as one of my primary overtraining indicators.  when i was (over)training hard for Ironman Canada a few years ago I had several incidents of breaking glasses, dropping things, stubbing toes, etc… one actually required stitches and shocked me into taking several days off. btw, good luck in Chicago. Art Hutchinson (using my wife’s account)

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After a tough race in Muncie on Sunday, I took Monday off. Tuesday       morning I decided to sleep in. I thought, well, I can always go for a short easy bike ride after work. But after work, I decided I still     felt kind of wiped out so I’d take another rest day. I felt guilty about it but I do want to at least be respectable in Chicago this weekend. I was standing at the counter multi-tasking. (Don’t all triathletes try to do at least three things at once in the kitchen?) I was saute-ing garlic and onion and chopping broccoli, while toasting an English muffin to pack for the next days breakfast. I got ready to pack up my mueslix cereal for breakfast and I poured the cereal into my (as of yet untouched) glass of chardonnay. Right then, I knew I had made the right decision to take another rest day. Cathy Corning

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cycling help

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Tony-      Since you do your long rides already, you probably have a decent base. I wonder though what you are using for gearing on these rides. Common themes among triathletes are incorrect gearing (too high and too low). In order to be fast on the bike you need to be able to have leg strength. This means being able to push the big gear, however trying to push too big a gear will actually sloww you down. So, which gear do I push? Get out your HRM (or 2 fingers and watch). In your big ring find out your HR in different gears at the same cadence. Optimal cadence for most is 60-90rpms. I tend to keep to the 60 range. Once you know which gear you can push at a desired HR, design a program.  On long rides do some sprints (15-60 secs).  Keep in a small gear and try to spin at 100-120 rpms. Get full recovery between and do 10-20 reps. On interval days do 1-5 min intervals using a variety of gears and cadences. Should all be big gears!!! If you can do these with others in a pace line. Other ways to build strength include big gear interval into the wind at 20-50 rpms. Hill repeats with ankle weights strapped to the BIKE, not your LEGS!! This worked well for me. Another is to ride with Roadies who can teach you about riding skill. Overall though it is important to ride more, and in your big ring.  Good luck. If this is confusing e-mail me directly. Rich K

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 am a beginning triathlete(1 yr exp.) and would like tips on how to improve my  cycling. I am a swimmer, and have decent run times, but in the past have  discovered that I start out in the top after the swim, get passed horrendously on the ride, and hold my own, or pass people on the run. I would really like to reverse this trend, so tips would be appreciated. I have no problem doing long slow rides, but my speed leaves something to be desired. Thanks, Tony Berwald C long slow rides, but me speed leaves s — Anthony Edward Berwald Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp:     …!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt9407b

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