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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org (my band/photo website)

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

Sun     14.33 miles in 2:03:24  (8:37 pace) Mon     DNR Tue     5.12 miles Wed     12.28 miles in 1:43:11  (8:24 pace) Thu     5.12 miles Fri     DNR Sat     24.00 miles in 3:33:58  (8:54 pace) Week    60.85 miles (new PR) (Distances are per Timex GPS Speed/Distance monitor.) Goals are (1) to stay on my feet and (2) the Fox Cities Marathon on September 28 (will be my first). The 24-mile run is my longest to date (longest on feet, too). Starting to feel some aches and pains that might be trouble down the road.  Definitely plan to run slower this upcoming week which is a low-mileage week (33 miles).  Getting a little concerned as I have too much to lose now.  The 24-miler was not as much fun as I thought it would be (the last two miles were just a gut check, but it was a tad warmer today than for my previous long, long runs and that made a difference).  Have two 26s and one 28-miler scheduled before the 9-28-03 marathon. Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -cheers,

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org (my band/photo website)

Goal      MCM Sunday            6.8 miles          9:32 pace Monday           DNR Tuesday          6.8 miles          9:22 pace Wednesday     8.2 miles          9:32 pace Thursday         6.8 miles          9:31 pace Friday              DNR Saturday           14.0 miles       9:37 pace Total                 42.6 miles       9:33 pace

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

S       DNR M      DNR T       4 miles W      4 miles 39:30 T       DNR F       DNR S       12 miles 1:59:30 (9:58) Total: 20 miles

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Goals break my current 5k PR (19:35) on 8/23 sub 43 minute 10k in November Run a sub 3:20 Marathon in October sub 1:33 half on 9/14 or 10/19 Finish NYC Marathon in under 4:00 get weight to under 170 (175) Run a 50k race this spring Monday            3.7 Tuesday            6.8 with 9 hill repeats  Wednesday      7.5 easy Thursday          7 with 3 miles of tempo a.m. 3.5 easy  at lunch  Friday             DNR  Saturday          7  Sunday             14.5 so far to hot and humid for planned 3hr+, may do 7 tonight about 50 total (so far)

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

I am just beginning to train. 43 years old, 100lbs over weight. Non-smoker, quit chewing 18 months ago, incorporate alot of walking into my daily routine. Roland

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M Xtraining on stationary bike ~30:00 + weights (upper body) T 5.3M 0:43:36 W 4.1M 0:34:27 (interval training) R Xtraining on elliptical machine ~30:00 + weights (upper body) F 4.2M 0:34:27 (surprisingly good run in the afternoon with temps in             the high 90’s, my normal run is at sunrise) S DNR S 8.3M 1:13:39 Overall a solid week, I wish I would’ve had more distance on my Friday run but I woke up late, missing my morning opportunity.  Also wish I would’ve done cross training on Saturday, but was too busy.  Basically my goal is to increase distance on my long runs, get used to the interval training, and supplement my non-running days with weights and cross training.

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Goals: as ever.  5K Aug 15; 5K Sept 6; 20K Sept 21; 1/2 marathon Oct 18. M: 5.1M (9:34) T: 5.1M (9:24) an unlit track in an unfamiliar neighborhood, alone.  I got a little creeped out and quit early. R: 6.2 (9:59) F: dnr Sa: 7.2 (9:46) Su: 13 (9:12) Total: 41.1 miles This week I’ve noticed some achilles soreness, which I’m going to keep an eye (and some ice) on. Good week all Karen

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Goals: Training for Detroit Marathon, my first (I signed up, it’s all or nothing now!) Mon-10 mi 1:23:34 (8:21/mi) Tue-off Thu-off Fri-5.5 mi 47:05 (8:33/mi) Sat-10 mi 1:23:52 (8:23/mi) Sun-14.0 mi 2:05:12 (8:54/mi) Total- 46.5 mi                                         -jeremy — —   Jeremy Hallum, System Manager , Astronomy, University of Michigan                     "Audentis Fortuna Iuvat"

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. I am just beginning to train.

Let me welcome you in the american style, "you punkass bitch, you ain’t even a real runner".  43 years old, 100lbs over weight. Non-smoker, quit chewing 18 months ago, incorporate alot of walking into my daily routine.

You are a fat, swinehunt, punkass bitch.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. I am just beginning to train. 43 years old, 100lbs over weight. Non-smoker, quit chewing 18 months ago, incorporate alot of walking into my daily routine. Roland

Sounds like you’re off to a good start and you’re starting from a point many of us know well. Hang in and let us know how it’s going. Again, you’ve gotten off to a good start by using the weekly training updates. Welcome! Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org (my band/photo website)

Thanks, David. Goals: Enjoyment – nothing less. Upcoming events: 8/16 – Summer Beach Run 5 miler; 9/6 – Five Points 5K; 9/13 – Autumn Fitness Run 5K; 9/27 – PACE Race 5K. Mon –   DNR Tues –  LSD – 93:XX Wed –   DNR Thur –  3 miles – 31:31 Fri –   Tour de Pain Beach 4 miler – 37:40 Sat –   Tour de Pain 1 miler a.m. – 7:38         Tour de Pain 5K p.m. – 29:14 Sun –   DNR Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running

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s – :45 swim, DNR m – :40 fartlek run t – DNR, rest w – :40 tempo run t – :45 bike workout, DNR f – :40 "easy" run, :45 open water swim with 100m intervals s – DNR, rest s – 1:30 swim with drills and intervals,  DRN GOALS: – no races set for the immediate future, but will continue to train well for a possible triathlon at the end of the month – am thinking about focusing back on the 5k race distance, do some more serious speedwork again, and attack my personal record in some races this fall – to eat as much as humanly possible and continue to be the skinniest guy at the table  :) Cheerios, Cam — Not every race can be a perfect experience, but every race can be a learning experience.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

M – 2 miles in ~25:00 T – 1 mile in 6:30 followed by 15:21 steep hike followed by 4 miles in ~32:00 W – - T – - S – 2.5 miles in ~24:00 S – 6 miles in 48:00 total: 20 miles. 15 miles away from last year’s total mileage. goals: 100 miles this month. jobs

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Mon: Nothing Tue: Nothing Wed: Nothing Thur. Nope. Not yet. Fri: Started thinking about exercising again. Sat: Almost there. Seriously thinking about it. Sun. 2 Mile run. Ahhh, post-Ironman week is sooooo relaxing… <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

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What an uninspired week. I ran the Blessing of the Fleet 10 miler the Friday before (July 25) and that whiped me out for the rest of the week. I had plans to run Monday & Tuesday but was too tired. I struggeled to run 6 Wednesday evening and finished with legs tight a drums. Thursday was the same and I finally felt better on Friday, only just a little. Saturday I ran 10, easy for the first mile with friends then off on my own. Felt fine up to about 50 minutes, but finshed up without slowing much. Sunday I rode my bike for 42 miles. Lesson learned: I have to give myself more days off after a race than I did when I was 10 years younger ;-(. My gf who also ran the race didn’t get much running in either so next time I’m just blowing off the 5 days after any race longer than a 10k. Andy Trying to deal with the NYC humidity.

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. I am just beginning to train. 43 years old, 100lbs over weight. Non-smoker, quit chewing 18 months ago, incorporate alot of walking into my daily routine. Roland

Keep at it. The more you move yourself (whether it is running or walking or cycling) the healthier you’ll be. Andy

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 Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

<< Sun – 7.4 miles, 1:08:59 Mon – 4 miles, 37:35 Tue – DNR Wed – 3 miles, 24:42 Thu – 6.7 miles, no time Fri – 4 miles, 38:58 Sat – DNR Total – 25.1 miles Mike

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org (my band/photo website)

Goals: Survive the Arizona summer and keep running; Saguaro National        Park 8-miler Labor Day. No Sept marathon afterall- will prob        be changing jobs about then! But Will run Tucson Marathon in        December. Mon: Rest Day Tue: Planned to run, but had HUGE t-storm. Flooded so badly couldn’t      get home until after 6:30. Made a mess at home (flooded corrals,      broken corral post, piled up sand on drive, etc.) Wed: 6 miles on Treadmill at work. Two miles warm up at ~9:20 pace,      two miles at 7:53 pace, Half mile at ~9:00 pace, 880 at 8:30,      880 at 7:30, half mile relaxing again, another fast 440, then      relaxed pace to finish (~9:20). Thur: 5.45 mi @ 9:52 pace. Very strong west wind today. Took it      easy dodging big puddles and millipedes. Fri: Rest Day      from the Aspen fire! Over three of the bridges, so wet feet      today. Felt good, though, despite high humidity. Foot was      great.      storm first, then ran after 9 (late). It was hot and wet!      Didn’t think about it being later and both of us got some      sunburn. But we both felt fine and had a nice big Italian      lunch afterward, mmmmm. Teresa in AZ (oh when is it going to cool off again )

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Mon: Nothing Tue: Nothing Wed: Nothing Thur. Nope. Not yet. Fri: Started thinking about exercising again. Sat: Almost there. Seriously thinking about it. Sun. 2 Mile run. Ahhh, post-Ironman week is sooooo relaxing… <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

You must sleep like a baby. Congrats to your survival of a horrible day. A friend said that his friend thought the wind was as tough as Kona. Andy

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Last Sunday had a 20 miler planned. Weather was horrible, windy and rainy. Felt negative but loosened up mentally and physically by mile 5. At approximately mile 6 there was a mother moose with a young calf in the bike trail. I stopped, hoping she would go off the trail. She didn’t. After about a 15 minute delay, I decided to detour into the woods, going around her. There was thick moss on the ground which made it difficult to see where to step. I ended up stepping in swamp water which I sank in up to my shins. Got back on the trail, ran about 5, but stopped as it was no fun running in soaked shoes that were stinking. Rest of the week did a couple of seven milers. Overdid it one day slightly reinjuring a strained groin. Ran 16 yesterday at under a 9 minute pace. Felt very good about it. Marathon in two weeks. Due to strained groin my training has been nowhere near what I would like it to be but I am going for it. Goal is under 4:00 at Humpy’s Marathon in Anchorage.    

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Rest of the week did a couple of seven milers. Overdid it one day slightly reinjuring a strained groin.

Can i massage it for you baby? I’ll sing too! I’ll sing "Dontcha feel my leg, cause if you feel my leg you’re going to feel my thigh, and if you feel my thigh you’re going to make me high…" Then I’ll massgae your "special groin area" too? Wadda say sweeties? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ran 16 yesterday at under a 9 minute pace. Felt very good about it. Marathon in two weeks. Due to strained groin my training has been nowhere near what I would like it to be but I am going for it. Goal is under 4:00 at Humpy’s Marathon in Anchorage.    

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Mon: Nothing Tue: Nothing Wed: Nothing Thur. Nope. Not yet. Fri: Started thinking about exercising again. Sat: Almost there. Seriously thinking about it. Sun. 2 Mile run. Ahhh, post-Ironman week is sooooo relaxing… <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin"

I think that you can get away with a report like this, Mike, but not for long! You earned the break. So how did that 2-miler feel…. like hell or like a walk in the park? Cam — Not every race can be a perfect experience, but every race can be a learning experience.

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Did a race on Wednesday called the Woodland 5, which is a hell of a lot longer than 5 miles.  Came 6th overall http://www.finchcoasters.freeserve.co.uk/woodland/w503r3rptResult.html Was going for sub 16:40 for 5k on Sat, but my calves were killing me for some reason.  They felt fine the morning after the race, but the next morning they hurt like hell.  I very nearly didn’t run, but after some serious warming-up and stretching I decided to jog round just to get some points for the club.  Took it very easy and got 2nd place in 17:20, which is faster than an eyeballs out effort would have been a few months ago so I’m pleased with that. I’m supposed to be doing the Yateley 10k on Wednesday, but I don’t fancy racing on potentially the hottest day ever, so I think I’ll have a few days off while it’s roasting and then prepare for an autumn half. Goals (weather permitting): 1) Sub 1:17 half-marathon in September or October. Monday: pm) 4.5 miles – easy Tuesday: Rest Wednesday: pm) Woodland 5, 34:31 (6th overall) Thursday: pm) 3.8 miles, Fartlek – hard Friday: Rest Saturday: pm) 5k – medium Sunday: pm) BIKE – 47.36 miles – easy Total run: 19 miles Total Bike: 47.36 miles — Brian Wakem

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers,

Sunday: 18 miles 3:06:50  10:23/mile This was "The run from hell". Had to walk miles 12-15. Don’t know why as I did 16 miles on the same woke up Monday morning with a sore throat and cold so possibly I was getting sick just didn’t know it. Monday: DNR Wednesday: DNR Thursday: 5 miles easy no time Friday: 10 miles 1:22:50 8:17/mile Saturday: DNR Total for week 41 miles Doug Burke

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Isn’t this the part where Vernon, overcome with passion, leaps from his hiding place in the hydrangeas, and rips her bodice all to shreds? And what’s all this with bicycles? I want to see her ride a Pogo stick! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thursday, 23 January 2003 I ignored the rain, the wind and the pain. My bosoms heaved, partially obscuring my vision every time I breathed in. But I succeeded. I pulled away from Stealth Pensioner. You GO, girl! Barbara, Batman, and Cha-Cha You know, just re-reading this and something struck me. I thought bosom was signular. She clasp me to her bosom. She clasp me to her breasts. See what I mean. but I know what she meant – her bosom came up and her vision was being blocked by her breasts heaving, trying to get air into her tortured lungs which were gasping for oxygen while her muscles cried out in agony, even her calf muscles were wimpering for the surcease of not cramping but she couldn’t stop for there was another hill that had to be overcome and she was determined not to let a little old pensioner show her his heals. dave I should go for the "It was a dark and stormy night contest)

– Free speech means either the unlimited right of expression, or nothing at all. The moment any man or set of men can limit speech, it is no longer free.

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Isn’t this the part where Vernon, overcome with passion, leaps from his hiding place in the hydrangeas, and rips her bodice all to shreds? And what’s all this with bicycles? I want to see her ride a Pogo stick!

Bad boy! and anyhow, a lady *never* kisses & tells. ’scuse me whilst I adjust my bodice… what’s that hanging out from it??? Oops! Cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd

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Awesome story! Shellee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thursday, 23 January 2003 Honour is restored

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Strangest thing has been happening… after whining here for a while about not running (thanks for listening) I just couldn’t take it any more and started running on the treadmill at the gym.  At first my knee was a little tender but not bad.  When it hurt, I tried to strike more midfoot than heel and found that helped immensely.  I’ve run 4 times on the treadmill this past week and a half and it keeps getting better and better. Nothing crazy, nice calm runs. But… here’s the kicker, I have noticed that my knee is getting better!  It doesn’t hurt on a daily basis like it had been and yesterday I had a totally pain free run!  Go figure! I think I will stick with the treadmill for the next month or so – just to stay off the pavement and practice my midfoot strike in a more controlled environment. I don’t know what to make of what appears to be a strengthening of the knee, however.  Now the only time it hurts at all is when I am loaded down with my bookbag (heavy law books) and my lapttop and climbing up stairs.  Otherwise the knee is great!  So… the moral is…I don’t know. But thanks for listening when I was frustrated and it’s great to be running again – nothing else beats it for mental and physical health.  My mind is a much happier place these days!! Heather

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Glad you’re back running Heather. Hopefully now that your knee is getting better those of us at rec.running will continue to see posts from you like this one. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Strangest thing has been happening… after whining here for a while about not running (thanks for listening) I just couldn’t take it any more and started running on the treadmill at the gym.  At first my knee was a little tender but not bad.  When it hurt, I tried to strike more midfoot than heel and found that helped immensely.  I’ve run 4 times on the treadmill this past week and a half and it keeps getting better and better. Nothing crazy, nice calm runs. But… here’s the kicker, I have noticed that my knee is getting better!  It doesn’t hurt on a daily basis like it had been and yesterday I had a totally pain free run!  Go figure! I think I will stick with the treadmill for the next month or so – just to stay off the pavement and practice my midfoot strike in a more controlled environment. I don’t know what to make of what appears to be a strengthening of the knee, however.  Now the only time it hurts at all is when I am loaded down with my bookbag (heavy law books) and my lapttop and climbing up stairs.  Otherwise the knee is great!  So… the moral is…I don’t know. But thanks for listening when I was frustrated and it’s great to be running again – nothing else beats it for mental and physical health.  My mind is a much happier place these days!! Heather

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Hi, Heather, Strangest thing has been happening… after whining here for a while about not running (thanks for listening) I just couldn’t take it any more and started running on the treadmill at the gym.  At first my knee was a little tender but not bad.  When it hurt, I tried to strike more midfoot than heel and found that helped immensely.  I’ve run 4 times on the treadmill this past week and a half and it keeps getting better and better. Nothing crazy, nice calm runs. But… here’s the kicker, I have noticed that my knee is getting better!  It doesn’t hurt on a daily basis like it had been and yesterday I had a totally pain free run!  Go figure!

Sounds familiar. I finally "got it" about midfoot running a short while ago (I think that a 2×4 piece of pine lumber was involved in my understanding process). The more experienced folks here seem to do it without thinking but it took me a while. More recently, I played around with forefoot landing (not toes, just fore of the midfoot). The difference it made in my knees was nothing short of amazing (in a positive way). I now use less energy and my pace dropped just because of the change in foot landing position (I’ve verified this to my satisfaction during subsequent runs). I have the impression (but no facts) that not everyone finds forefoot landing natural or beneficial but it is something to try after you’ve gotten used to midfoot landing. A side benefit I’ve found is that when I start getting tired and my running form starts to deteriorate, I revert to midfoot landings – not a bad thing at all. Good luck, good landings, and good knees, Layne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Strangest thing has been happening… after whining here for a while about not running (thanks for listening) I just couldn’t take it any more and started running on the treadmill at the gym.  At first my knee was a little tender but not bad.  When it hurt, I tried to strike more midfoot than heel and found that helped immensely.  I’ve run 4 times on the treadmill this past week and a half and it keeps getting better and better. Nothing crazy, nice calm runs. But… here’s the kicker, I have noticed that my knee is getting better!  It doesn’t hurt on a daily basis like it had been and yesterday I had a totally pain free run!  Go figure! I think I will stick with the treadmill for the next month or so – just to stay off the pavement and practice my midfoot strike in a more controlled environment. I don’t know what to make of what appears to be a strengthening of the knee, however.  Now the only time it hurts at all is when I am loaded down with my bookbag (heavy law books) and my lapttop and climbing up stairs.  Otherwise the knee is great!  So… the moral is…I don’t know. But thanks for listening when I was frustrated and it’s great to be running again – nothing else beats it for mental and physical health.  My mind is a much happier place these days!! Heather

Heather, good to hear that you’ve gotten over the sore knee and are back running. Keep at it! Cam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Heather, Strangest thing has been happening… after whining here for a while about not running (thanks for listening) I just couldn’t take it any more and started running on the treadmill at the gym.  At first my knee was a little tender but not bad.  When it hurt, I tried to strike more midfoot than heel and found that helped immensely.  I’ve run 4 times on the treadmill this past week and a half and it keeps getting better and better. Nothing crazy, nice calm runs. But… here’s the kicker, I have noticed that my knee is getting better!  It doesn’t hurt on a daily basis like it had been and yesterday I had a totally pain free run!  Go figure! Sounds familiar. I finally "got it" about midfoot running a short while ago (I think that a 2×4 piece of pine lumber was involved in my understanding process). The more experienced folks here seem to do it without thinking but it took me a while. More recently, I played around with forefoot landing (not toes, just fore of the midfoot). The difference it made in my knees was nothing short of amazing (in a positive way). I now use less energy and my pace dropped just because of the change in foot landing position (I’ve verified this to my satisfaction during subsequent runs). I have the impression (but no facts) that not everyone finds forefoot landing natural or beneficial but it is something to try after you’ve gotten used to midfoot landing. A side benefit I’ve found is that when I start getting tired and my running form starts to deteriorate, I revert to midfoot landings – not a bad thing at all. Good luck, good landings, and good knees, Layne

        Sorry to but in but how exactly do you define Mid foot strike versus any other strike. I have had similar knee problems as Heather however my knees rarely hurt while running. I have found that running a faster pace leaves my knees feeling better over the same distance run at a slower pace. I have also found that running with a quicker cadence leaves my knees feeling better. Could running with a faster cadance and or faster turn over naturally cause me to mid foot strike? Just looking for anything to keep my knees from turning into ground calcium. ~Matt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Matt, I think that a midfoot strike is actually along the outer edge of your foot, with the ball of the little toe and the heel touching simultaneously. Contrast this with having the ball of the foot touch with the heel off the ground, or the heel touching with the ball of the foot off the ground. You have discovered what many others here have discovered. That is, yes, running with a faster turnover will naturally cause you to strike midfoot. It will also help reduce overstriding, another archenemy of knees. When you run a faster pace, you feel better because you increase your cadence. I read about trying to run with a cadence of 180 steps per minute on r.r several years ago, and doing it has been the single most positive influence on my running form out of everything else that I tried. I also found some of Ozzie’s posts about marching and running in place very useful, mainly as a way to work on running at a higher cadence without running fast and getting too winded to continue.

        I’ll have to pay more attention to my strike on my next run. I’ve been trying to get a higher cadence, mainly because I found my Knees like. I usually practice this on my warm ups and cooldowns. I’ll run a slower speed with significantly quicker turn over. I actually picked this up from watching some of the better/faster runners in our group. Most run with a very high cadence and a couple almost look as though they are running on tippe toes at slower speeds. However when they run fast their stride looks completely natural but still with a high cadence. Thanks ~Matt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —

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Hi, Matt,    Sorry to but in but how exactly do you define Mid foot strike versus any other strike. I have had similar knee problems as Heather however my knees rarely hurt while running. I have found that running a faster pace leaves my knees feeling better over the same distance run at a slower pace. I have also found that running with a quicker cadence leaves my knees feeling better. Could running with a faster cadance and or faster turn over naturally cause me to mid foot strike? Just looking for anything to keep my knees from turning into ground calcium.

Not butting in at all. I’m not nearly as experienced as some of the others but here are some ideas to consider. Harold has some good suggestions and mentioned an article by Ozzie at http://www.mindfulness.com/mrb4.asp Here are a few other Web pages on the topic. I don’t feel that I have the experience to evaluate them and present them as is/are. Foot Strike – Black and White or Shades of Grey? http://www.quebec.demon.co.uk/running/disc_foot.html A somewhat involved article from BioMechanics, October, 2000 http://www.biomech.com/db_area/archives/2000/0010covers.18-21.bio-.html This is written for triathalon folks who are running for fitness during their off season http://www.ultrafit.com/newsletter/oct01.html#tom For fairness, here’s a page from the other point of view. http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/longrun/onpirie.html From what I’ve been able to learn, heel striking is common in beginners since it’s an extension of the way we walk. However, the force exerted on the foot during running is much greater than that exerted during walking. By moving from heel striking to mid or forefoot landings, the foot and ankle can act more efficiently as shock absorbers. An added benefit is that mid or fore foot landing provide a more efficient push off for the next step so that less energy os needed to maintain the same speed. It’s also my understanding that mid and forefoot landing is particularly helpful for running hills. Living in Florida, I wouldn’t know first hand. <G. It seems that foot strike is as individual as any other part of running. I’d suggest trying the midfoot londing for a while and see if it helps (I could tell a difference in the first run I used it). The way I started was to bring my foot forward and just let it fall straight down. This put it directly under my center of gravity and forced me to use a midfoot landing. After it became "natural" and I didn’t have to think about it, the run seemed to fly by (relatively speaking). Good luck, Layne

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Hi Matt, I think that a midfoot strike is actually along the outer edge of your foot, with the ball of the little toe and the heel touching simultaneously. Contrast this with having the ball of the foot touch with the heel off the ground, or the heel touching with the ball of the foot off the ground. You have discovered what many others here have discovered. That is, yes, running with a faster turnover will naturally cause you to strike midfoot. It will also help reduce overstriding, another archenemy of knees. When you run a faster pace, you feel better because you increase your cadence. I read about trying to run with a cadence of 180 steps per minute on r.r several years ago, and doing it has been the single most positive influence on my running form out of everything else that I tried. I also found some of Ozzie’s posts about marching and running in place very useful, mainly as a way to work on running at a higher cadence without running fast and getting too winded to continue. — Harold – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Sorry to but in but how exactly do you define Mid foot strike versus any other strike. I have had similar knee problems as Heather however my knees rarely hurt while running. I have found that running a faster pace leaves my knees feeling better over the same distance run at a slower pace. I have also found that running with a quicker cadence leaves my knees feeling better. Could running with a faster cadance and or faster turn over naturally cause me to mid foot strike? Just looking for anything to keep my knees from turning into ground calcium. ~Matt

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Mike I was being a little picky. The body does of course use CHO as the fuel of choice and then fats. I was referring to the part played by amino acids in the whole process. I wouldn’t fancy replacing my CHO drink with a protein shake during an OD race! That said I find a little protein helps during londer races. Phil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – all the reading I have done indicates this…   protein takes more energy to break down and takes longer too.  Your body needs energy that can be quickly converted and used.  protein is not the fuel of choice during strenuous exercise from what I have read.  for ultra long events like 200 mile bike rides, 50 mile runs,  you probably need protein.  during a 2 hour triathlon? you are just putting things in your stomach that arent needed and might cause problems..  If you look at what is offered at aid stations in any race up and including an ironman, its almost all carbs..     post race is a different story.  there you need it to rebuild damaged muscle tissue. mc Mike You don’t need proteins during strenuous exercise? Are you shhhuuuuure? BTW Chocolate Hammer Gel does it for me. Phil | there are many advantages of gels over bars in race and training conditions. | Gels are just carbohydrates- immediate fuel for your body.  Bars contain | fats, proteins and fiber- things you dont need during strenuous exercise and | will hinder your performance.  Gels can be taken in easier and processed | quicker by your body.  Most that I had tasted pretty much made me sick after | 2 or 3, but I have found that Carb-BOOM doesnt do that to me.  It has a | cleaner taste (strawberry kiwi is my favorite, but apple cinnamon is dang | good too) and keeps tasting good through hours of use.  check it out. | | mc | | message | I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel? Based on | what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a | syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the | advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, | but I’m new to triathlons. | | — | Jet Jaguar | I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. | Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ | MSTie #54297 | | Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the | refrigerator. | |

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A power gel is a substance that tastes a little like wallpaper paste (just joking!) which has carbohydrates and some brands have sodium and potassium in them as well. People take them during triathlons to give them carbs in a form that can be quickly utilised by their bodies. Solid bars are harder to eat when you’re pushing your limits and often have unpleasant results when they hit your stomach. Sue Ross Queenstown Eco Pursuits www.qep.co.nz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, but I’m new to triathlons. — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the refrigerator.

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Mike You don’t need proteins during strenuous exercise? Are you shhhuuuuure? BTW Chocolate Hammer Gel does it for me. Phil

| there are many advantages of gels over bars in race and training conditions. | Gels are just carbohydrates- immediate fuel for your body.  Bars contain | fats, proteins and fiber- things you dont need during strenuous exercise and | will hinder your performance.  Gels can be taken in easier and processed | quicker by your body.  Most that I had tasted pretty much made me sick after | 2 or 3, but I have found that Carb-BOOM doesnt do that to me.  It has a | cleaner taste (strawberry kiwi is my favorite, but apple cinnamon is dang | good too) and keeps tasting good through hours of use.  check it out. | | mc | | | I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on | what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a | syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the | advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, | but I’m new to triathlons. | | — | Jet Jaguar | I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. | Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ | MSTie #54297 | | Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the | refrigerator. | |

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all the reading I have done indicates this…   protein takes more energy to break down and takes longer too.  Your body needs energy that can be quickly converted and used.  protein is not the fuel of choice during strenuous exercise from what I have read.  for ultra long events like 200 mile bike rides, 50 mile runs,  you probably need protein.  during a 2 hour triathlon? you are just putting things in your stomach that arent needed and might cause problems..  If you look at what is offered at aid stations in any race up and including an ironman, its almost all carbs..     post race is a different story.  there you need it to rebuild damaged muscle tissue. mc

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike You don’t need proteins during strenuous exercise? Are you shhhuuuuure? BTW Chocolate Hammer Gel does it for me. Phil | there are many advantages of gels over bars in race and training conditions. | Gels are just carbohydrates- immediate fuel for your body.  Bars contain | fats, proteins and fiber- things you dont need during strenuous exercise and | will hinder your performance.  Gels can be taken in easier and processed | quicker by your body.  Most that I had tasted pretty much made me sick after | 2 or 3, but I have found that Carb-BOOM doesnt do that to me.  It has a | cleaner taste (strawberry kiwi is my favorite, but apple cinnamon is dang | good too) and keeps tasting good through hours of use.  check it out. | | mc | | | I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on | what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a | syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the | advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, | but I’m new to triathlons. | | — | Jet Jaguar | I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. | Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ | MSTie #54297 | | Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the | refrigerator. | |

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I found a good article on this topic that I actually read all the way through.  It’s informative, without trying to sell anything!  Goto www.rogersoler.com and click on the "For Your Health" link on the left.  It’s written by a "registered dietitian". jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, but I’m new to triathlons. — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the refrigerator.

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I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, but I’m new to triathlons. — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the refrigerator.

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Its a concentrated sugar syrup.  Imagine if you will, a 32oz bottle of Gatorade ( or some other brand of carbo drink). Take out 99% of the water and package it in a 2oz foil container and viola, "power gel".  Some flavors of certain brands add caffeine.  I like vanilla GU. Easier to digest than solid food. Wade I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, but I’m new to triathlons. — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the

refrigerator.

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there are many advantages of gels over bars in race and training conditions. Gels are just carbohydrates- immediate fuel for your body.  Bars contain fats, proteins and fiber- things you dont need during strenuous exercise and will hinder your performance.  Gels can be taken in easier and processed quicker by your body.  Most that I had tasted pretty much made me sick after 2 or 3, but I have found that Carb-BOOM doesnt do that to me.  It has a cleaner taste (strawberry kiwi is my favorite, but apple cinnamon is dang good too) and keeps tasting good through hours of use.  check it out. mc

I’ve got another stupid newbie question.  What is power gel?  Based on what I’ve read, it seems to be something like a power bar, but in a syrup-like form.  Is this correct?  If not, what is it?  What’s the advantage of using gel versus a solid bar?  Sorry for my ignorance, but I’m new to triathlons. — Jet Jaguar I have a spam blocking address.  Replying to me is like pulling teeth. Visit my crappy home page at http://home.att.net/~chmilnir/ MSTie #54297 Potato salad is a dish that is best served cold.  It is very cold in the

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Hello all.  I’ll be going to Kona in a few short weeks to race there for the very first time.  It’s the realization of a dream for me……I still can hardly believe it’s REALLY going to happen!.  Training wise, I’m in pretty good shape.   This will be my 3rd IM this year, with Cal in May and LP in July.  However, I was wondering if any of you have any recommendations about the course itself, or recommendations on things in and around Kona that would help me and my family maximize our enjoyment Thanks. Al

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Congratulations on making it to Hawaii, here are some things that made my time on the Big Island enjoyable. Sightseeing…I have a few favorites. Take a trip toward Hilo to see the tropical botanical gardens. That is the green side of the Island so enjoy it. Eat dinner in Hilo before you drive back. Another day trip is to Volcanoes National Park. It’s absolutely breathtaking. While you are over there, go to the Place of Refuge. Another day trip is to drive up the Queen K and see the Lapahki fishing village and the birthplace of King K. One more day trip is to go up to the Parker Ranch and tour his art museum. Everything is very expensive so get used to shopping at the Costco for all your needs. I enjoyed seeing all the world-class athletes shopping on Alii Drive during the 2 weeks prior.  I also had the pleasure of getting some of the all-time greats to sign my poster which they had at the shopping center. I would get down to "dig-me" beach at the pier every morning to loosen up with a swim.  It’s a must see each and every morning to get the feel of the energy surrounding Ironman.  They put the buoys out so you could actually do the swim course. There are some races surrounding Ironman, a 5K the week before and an underpants race that is very funny. You shouldn’t miss the parade the day before the event.  There will be a schedule floating around. I don’t remember the restaurants but after 2 weeks there wasn’t anywhere I didn’t eat.  The ones I like I returned to.  There was a concert for Ironman that the locals went to also which was fun.  I ran into an old friend from San Francisco. For spectators on race day I recommend standing on Alii Drive near Uncle Billy’s Hotel so you can see both the runners and the bikers and still be in walking distance when the first finisher comes along.  You won’t be allowed out on the course with a car so plan on walking for your race watching. I recommend standing in the bleachers to see the winner. Make sure you make it to the finish line at midnight to see the last finisher. And last but not least make sure you buy a few souvenirs. Have fun and good luck! — Chris Davis "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one’s courage" –Anais Nin http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all.  I’ll be going to Kona in a few short weeks to race there for the very first time.  It’s the realization of a dream for me……I still can hardly believe it’s REALLY going to happen!.  Training wise, I’m in pretty good shape.   This will be my 3rd IM this year, with Cal in May and LP in July.  However, I was wondering if any of you have any recommendations about the course itself, or recommendations on things in and around Kona that would help me and my family maximize our enjoyment Thanks. Al

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Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name).

And if you find one, be sure to tell Madeleine! Mike "TriBop" Tennent http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/ WebRunner Running My Model Railroad ‘98 Ironman Canada IronVirgins Site

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: Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name). That would, I think, be Crosier-Keystone. : And if you find one, be sure to tell Madeleine! Yup, seconded! Madeleine "the NH and I are putting on weight" Page

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Fellowships in sports medicine can be done after completing a residency in orthopedic surgery, or Internal Medicine, or Pediatrics and even Family Medicine.  I agree that orthopedics is only a minor part of sports medicine and actually a part we hope to avoid with good prevention.

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I forgot to mention that there is a national professional organization representing sports medicine physicians.  I am sure they can put you in contact with some one in your area.  If you can’t find their web site or contact them let me know i’m sure I can get it with a little footwork.

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Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I’m looking for a new primary care physician since my previous doctor’s office closed recently.  Since I’m very involved with sports (I spend lots of hours training for triathlon), I would feel much more comfortable if I could find a physician who specializes in sports (sports/exercise physiolgy as well as internal/general medicine in a sports context). I’d like to get the kind of checkups and care that is given by team physicians to athletes such as professional cyclists or marathon runners.  I’d be interested in physicians who are familar also with VO2 max testing, lactate testing, etc.   Please send any recommendations for such physicians who are located in the Philadelphia,PA and Delaware Valley area.  Thanks. Andy Ross   PS One obstacle in finding such a doctor has been the label ‘Sports Medicine’   which seems to be synonomous with orthopedic medicine.  There is certainly   more to an athlete’s health than treating orthopedic injuries!

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   I’m looking for a new primary care physician since my previous doctor’s office closed recently.  Since I’m very involved with sports (I spend lots of hours training for triathlon), I would feel much more comfortable if I could find a physician who specializes in sports (sports/exercise physiolgy as well as internal/general medicine in a sports context). I’d like to get the kind of checkups and care that is given by team physicians to athletes such as professional cyclists or marathon runners.  I’d be interested in physicians who are familar also with VO2 max testing, lactate testing, etc.    Please send any recommendations for such physicians who are located in the Philadelphia,PA and Delaware Valley area.  Thanks. Andy Ross    PS One obstacle in finding such a doctor has been the label ‘Sports Medicine’    which seems to be synonomous with orthopedic medicine.  There is certainly    more to an athlete’s health than treating orthopedic injuries!

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Check http://www.ironmantri.com

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Check http://www.ironmantri.com

I read on the official IM site that "The Triathlon", in Allentown, PA, is an IM qualifier this year. What a disgrace, it seemed like this race received a lot of complaints. It’s amazing that this race received the IM slots over the Wilkes-Barre triathlon(this years race includes a half-ironman)which is so much better run. Zach

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Check http://www.ironmantri.com I read on the official IM site that "The Triathlon", in Allentown, PA, is an IM qualifier this year. What a disgrace, it seemed like this race received a lot of complaints. It’s amazing that this race received the IM slots over the Wilkes-Barre triathlon(this years race includes a half-ironman)which is so much better run. Zach

Check with the RD for Wilkes-Barre. Ironman Qualifying status is not "given" to a race. RDs pay a lot of money for those slots in hopes of filling their race. Maybe Wilkes-Barre was not willing, or even interested, in paying the price of being a qualifying race. Hopefully the "triathlon formerly known as Fairmont Park" will get it together this year and present a quality race. However, after talking to some who did it last year, it’s not on my list. Cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody Miami

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Check with the RD for Wilkes-Barre. Ironman Qualifying status is not "given" to a race. RDs pay a lot of money for those slots in hopes of filling their race. Maybe Wilkes-Barre was not willing, or even interested, in paying the price of being a qualifying race. Hopefully the "triathlon formerly known as Fairmont Park" will get it together this year and present a quality race. However, after talking to some who did it last year, it’s not on my list.

Andrew, I know for a fact that the Wilkes-Barre race directors applied to be a qualifier. Looks like despite the excessive complaints about Allyn Cutts’ race, and the abundance of praise for Wilkes Barre, that WTC selected "The Triathlon" instead of "Wilkes Barre". I sure would like to know the logic behind that. Cathy Corning

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Andrew, I know for a fact that the Wilkes-Barre race directors applied to be a qualifier. Looks like despite the excessive complaints about Allyn Cutts’ race, and the abundance of praise for Wilkes Barre, that WTC selected "The Triathlon" instead of "Wilkes Barre". I sure would like to know the logic behind that. Cathy Corning

Ditto here. Last year it was poorly organized, and started off 40 minutes late. This year, I heard from other people, including those from this newsgroup, that they never really got better with their organization. If you look at www.ironmantri.com, on top of the domestic qualifier page, two of the factors are HISTORY and QUALITY. Obviously, those were not considered when The Triathlon was announced again for IQ status next year. Anyway, even though I am within driving distance of The Triathlon, I will not do the race in 1998 until I hear well from people who do this race in 1998. Sorry for the raving, but I think it’s well placed. "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96 – 10:36:37    IMC’97 – 10:42:53 ‘98 Gulf Coast Tri, IMC’98

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Hmm,  I hoped the WTC people get feedback from a public domain such as this, this NG being an excellent voice of the triathlon community, instead of just listening to direct letters from people, which IMO is an extremely limited view. Anyway, no use crying over spilled milk. Let’s see what happens in Penn. in August… I have had some off line correspondence with someone who must remain anonymous but who is 100% knowledgeable. The best I can say, is that it is VERY important for each of us to write or email WTC during the season, or immediately after the season, to give them our feedback about the races we have gone to and how the races went. WTC does give consideration to triathlete feedback when they award the IMQ races.

"Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96 – 10:36:37    IMC’97 – 10:42:53 ‘98 Gulf Coast Tri, IMC’98

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What I’d *REALLY* love to know from someone in Hawaii is what Cutts and his group do to get those IQ slots every year.  I know, I know, don’t race it if you don’t like it.  But when the end of the season gets near, and people desperately want a spot, they shouldn’t have to settle for second best.

I have had some off line correspondence with someone who must remain anonymous but who is 100% knowledgeable. The best I can say, is that it is VERY important for each of us to write or email WTC during the season, or immediately after the season, to give them our feedback about the races we have gone to and how the races went. WTC does give consideration to triathlete feedback when they award the IMQ races. I suspect that in this particular situation, our feedback did not get to WTC in time to prevent the IMQ going to a very poorly organized race. Several very well organized races with great community support were the victims of the triathletes not getting good/bad feedback about all our races to WTC prior to the WTC decision to give the IMQ race back to a poorly organized event. Nothing personal here, I know all the race directors are very hard working whether their races come off well or not, but year after year some races are always bad and that should be a hint! Cathy Corning

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: are HISTORY and QUALITY. Obviously, those were not considered when The : Triathlon was announced again for IQ status next year. Anyway, even though I am : within driving distance of The Triathlon, I will not do the race in 1998 until : I hear well from people who do this race in 1998. I was speaking with a local RD who also put in a bid this year.  He had 56mi of closed county roads, $10,000 cash from the county, free volunteered state troopers, etc.  Overall, what looked like a pretty good bid.  Nope, the triathlon has "more quality."  I think it’s pretty obvious to most everyone this isn’t the case, and there are many more races out there that deserve it. What I’d *REALLY* love to know from someone in Hawaii is what Cutts and his group do to get those IQ slots every year.  I know, I know, don’t race it if you don’t like it.  But when the end of the season gets near, and people desperately want a spot, they shouldn’t have to settle for second best. Any ideas? — Jason Mayfield, Arlington VA Persist, Persevere, Deny, Pursue, Pain, Survive, Ignore, Endure, Strive, Laugh, Cry, Live, Prevail, Scream, Sweat, Bleed, Sustain, Learn, Ascend, Give, Get, GO!  257 Days Until Ironman Canada ‘98

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A tri-friend of mine said he read an article in inside Triathlon about changing the order of events to swim, run, and bike so the racers will be more staggered coming into T2, hence less drafting on the bike. I don’t know what to think about this. Has anyone done a race like this? What are your thoughts. Thanks. Dan Brunstein

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A tri-friend of mine said he read an article in inside Triathlon about changing the order of events to swim, run, and bike so the racers will be more staggered coming into T2, hence less drafting on the bike. I don’t know what to think about this. Has anyone done a race like this? What are your thoughts. Thanks. Dan Brunstein

I do not like this idea (tradition aside) since it makes the finish potentially more dangerous and cyclists rush for the finish.  There would need to be a big zone behind the finish line so that no on gets injured. Sam Callan Couldn’t think of anything this time…..

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A tri-friend of mine said he read an article in inside Triathlon about changing the order of events to swim, run, and bike so the racers will be more staggered coming into T2, hence less drafting on the bike. I don’t know what to think about this. Has anyone done a race like this? What are your thoughts. Thanks. Dan Brunstein

The now extinct Cambridge Tri in MD used to have this format.  It was hard because the 1/2 marathon totalled your legs so the bike was super-tough.  It was a flat and very windy course and I didn’t notice any drafting.  Also, the swim was really tough – rough water the time I did it (1990), so I think that cut back on the drafting even more. I think I would like to try some more races with this format if only so I could have a chance to catch some of the people who breeze by me on the run! -hug

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A tri-friend of mine said he read an article in inside Triathlon about changing the order of events to swim, run, and bike so the racers will be more staggered coming into T2, hence less drafting on the bike. I don’t know what to think about this. Has anyone done a race like this? What are your thoughts. Thanks. Dan Brunstein

Texas A&M hosts a race that follows this format. I’ve done it a few times and I really like it. The run-bike transition is much easier than the typical bike-run (or so it seems to me). And you’re right. Come to think of it, bikers were a bit more spaced apart. But this is a pool swim so I bet the effects would be more noticable in an open water swim. Kelly S.

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A tri-friend of mine said he read an article in inside Triathlon about changing the order of events to swim, run, and bike so the racers will be more staggered coming into T2, hence less drafting on the bike. I don’t know what to think about this. Has anyone done a race like this? What are your thoughts. Thanks. Dan Brunstein

Back in the late 80’s the Sanoma Triathlon series was that way, I did a bunch of them.  They were OK for me but the S-B-R order is the obvious choice for safety reasons. If someone is going to bonk near the end it could be deadly on a bike. I’ve been in races with 60mph downhills (Los Angeles, Castaic Reservoir).   JUST KEEP DRAFTING ILLEAGAL!!!!!!

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Since I started racing on a Softride, I’ve lost the "dead legs" feeling that I used to have on the bike to run transition.  They come in AL or carbon frames at varying prices.  Check out the Softride home page. JOLF

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I have been in only a few triathalons because I am new to the sport and I want to know is there any specific type of racing bike I should get, I was looking at a Cannindale should I get it. If you could answer my question e-mail me. -thanks- —

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Fred P. Colbert writes: I have been in only a few triathalons because I am new to the sport and I want to know is there any specific type of racing bike I should get, I was looking at a Cannindale should I get it. If you could answer my question e-mail me. -thanks-

  The Scott Team Issue Waimea look like a good buy to me, aluminum frame, triathlon geometry, Shimano 105 groupset [easy good enough], tri-bars, 650c wheels for $1100. Can’t go far wrong there.   The money you save over a Cannondale – could be put toward a nice set of deep rimmed race wheels. -Frazer —

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kay I know this hardly deserves to be in here… but I saw a signature someone had that had ascii art of the three tri sports. It was really nice, and I would like to get a hold of it.. or similar. anybody have one?

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I saw a signature someone had that had ascii art of the three tri sports. It was really nice, and I would like to get a hold of it.. or similar. anybody have one?

Credit for this sig belongs to Mike Cruz at Bell Labs Ken                     O_/             o__           O     R                   SWIM            (_) (_)         //  N                                     BIKE                   "If God invented marathons to keep people from doing         anything more stupid, triathlon must have taken Him         completely by surprise."   P. Z. Pearce, M.D.

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| kay I know this hardly deserves to be in here… but | I saw a signature someone had that had ascii art of the three tri sports. | It was really nice, and I would like to get a hold of it.. or similar. | | anybody have one? Todd Jensen, long time r.s.t. contributor, I believe had the original swim, bike, run stickmen. Although, they’ve been copied / modified by many. Chris — Ontario Telepresence Project, 2670 Queensview Dr., Ottawa, ON, K2B 8K1, CANADA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | kay I know this hardly deserves to be in here… but | I saw a signature someone had that had ascii art of the three tri sports. | It was really nice, and I would like to get a hold of it.. or similar. | | anybody have one? Todd Jensen, long time r.s.t. contributor, I believe had the original swim, bike, run stickmen. Although, they’ve been copied / modified by many. Chris — Ontario Telepresence Project, 2670 Queensview Dr., Ottawa, ON, K2B 8K1, CANADA

I modified a biker from rec.bike and added the swimmer and runner. Feel free to use as is or modify… Todd Jensen                                   o AT&T Bell Labs                  ___^o_    __o    <| Naperville, IL                      _ <_    _

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a signature someone had that had ascii art of the three tri sports. It was really nice, and I would like to get a hold of it.. or similar. anybody have one? Credit for this sig belongs to Mike Cruz at Bell Labs Ken                O_/             o__           O     R              SWIM            (_) (_)         //  N                                BIKE              "If God invented marathons to keep people from doing    anything more stupid, triathlon must have taken Him    completely by surprise."   P. Z. Pearce, M.D.

My swimmer isn’t calling for help, my cyclist has a steeper seat angle like any "true" triathlete and my runner won’t fail the drug test —                                                               __o      o       Jim Simmons, Lower Hutt, New Zealand           ____/o__   _ |/<_     <      

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