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Except by the SCUBA fairies. Well, SOMEBODY had to say it.

   Actually I have a pink dive knife/shealth. My wife bought it for me for a birthday present when there wasn’t a blue one in the dive shop. Come to think of it though …..my tri bike has a pink frame.

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Come on now, everyone knows black and red cars are faster! B.Oliver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -. All black certainly isn’t making us go faster!!!

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   Actually I have a pink dive knife/shealth. My wife bought it for me for a birthday present when there wasn’t a blue one in the dive shop. Come to think of it though …..my tri bike has a pink frame.

You must be very secure.

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It’s easy to put on color, but hard to make it so that it doesn’t fade substantially and quickly.  My custom wetsuit maker in Monterey will tell its customers exactly that.  If they want it still, they’ll make it.

That’s only because they put the color ON, not in.  If a trisuit manufacturer were to go to all non-black, that would constitute sufficient volume to justify making the neoprene itself a different color, which would be as durable as the current black.   Me – I find the bright cap enough.  I prefer black motorcycle leather over the ’safer’ colors as well.

Ah, yes, the "hide your daughters, here comes a biker" look.  It seems these days, motorcycle gear amounts to a choice between that, and looking like a mighty morphin power ranger.  You’re one of the reasons I can’t get a Motoport jacket in khaki.

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Ah, yes, the "hide your daughters, here comes a biker" look.  It seems these days, motorcycle gear amounts to a choice between that, and looking like a mighty morphin power ranger.  You’re one of the reasons I can’t get a Motoport jacket in khaki.

And I’m proud to hear that – the last thing we need is a Gap dressed biker population.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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And I’m proud to hear that – the last thing we need is a Gap dressed biker population.

1. I buy nothing from the Gap.  Actually, I haven’t bought at any mall chain store in almost a decade. 2.I’m trying to avoid absorbing more heat from the sun, plus it blends better with the background when one is in one of the quasi-legal off-road areas (now, about that bright orange bike…) 3.I don’t get turned on by being refused a table at a nice restaurant or otherwise shocking the locals.  Passing an ABATE booth at a show, this guy who looks like an extra for a Mad Max movie tells me all about how bikers are being discriminated against.  I told him I’d never had a problem.  He said "Sure, you looking all clean cut with the military hair and all."  I replied, "Well then, maybe it’s not the bike, but the rider, that’s the issue."  Cops don’t follow or harass me when I ride. I don’t mind a bike that sounds like a sewing machine, either (and I know the same goes for you.)

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And I’m proud to hear that – the last thing we need is a Gap dressed biker population. 1. I buy nothing from the Gap.  Actually, I haven’t bought at any mall chain store in almost a decade.

yet you’ve succumbed to their marketing if khaki riding gear appeals. 2.I’m trying to avoid absorbing more heat from the sun, plus it blends better with the background when one is in one of the quasi-legal

ride faster.   3.I don’t get turned on by being refused a table at a nice restaurant or otherwise shocking the locals.  Passing an ABATE booth at a show, this

In this city, I get treated extremely well.  I bump into a guy and pardon myself and he says ‘not at all,’ while putting his hand on my shoulder.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Darn,  I was wrong again.   All this time I thought you were in Berkeley, CA. Ken Jason O’Rourke In this city, I get treated extremely well.  I bump into a guy and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pardon myself and he says ‘not at all,’ while putting his hand on my shoulder. —

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yet you’ve succumbed to their marketing if khaki riding gear appeals.

Hardly. I simply want a lighter color that doesn’t heat up in the sun. I doubt the Gap would approve of full motocross boots. ride faster.

You can’t outride a radio.  It’s best to simply not call attention to oneself. In this city, I get treated extremely well.  I bump into a guy and pardon myself and he says ‘not at all,’ while putting his hand on my shoulder.

If that’s your cup of tea, then maybe you’d prefer something in pastel colors.

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Darn,  I was wrong again.   All this time I thought you were in Berkeley,

See, Ken? You DO have a sense of humor.

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In this city, I get treated extremely well.  I bump into a guy and pardon myself and he says ‘not at all,’ while putting his hand on my shoulder. If that’s your cup of tea, then maybe you’d prefer something in pastel colors.

Women don’t go for them.  Everyone likes black leather.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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You must be very secure.

  Yes…..but obviously you are not.

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  You guys gotta drop this trendy "weekend Hell’s Angels" thing and get motocross bikes.  (Dual sport bikes don’t count, Brian)  Lots more fun and way bigger adrenalin rush, especially when soaring over 100′ doubles.  Even bigger when watching your kids do the same.  Only problem is it severely cuts into the triathlon bug, which disappoints dear ole Dad a bit. Rich

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In this city, I get treated extremely well.  I bump into a guy and pardon myself and he says ‘not at all,’ while putting his hand on my shoulder. If that’s your cup of tea, then maybe you’d prefer something in pastel colors. Women don’t go for them.  Everyone likes black leather. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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You must be very secure.   Yes…..but obviously you are not.

Shows what you know.  Dive knife, phooey!  I actually own a fluorescent pink shorty wetsuit, which I use for SCUBA classes.

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  You guys gotta drop this trendy "weekend Hell’s Angels" thing and get motocross bikes.  (Dual sport bikes don’t count, Brian)  

The hell they don’t.  I don’t see any CR’s winning the P-D. Why ping when you can thump?

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way bigger adrenalin rush, especially when soaring over 100′ doubles. Even bigger when watching your kids do the same.  Only problem is it severely cuts into the triathlon bug, which disappoints dear ole Dad a bit. Rich

Yeah,  and now complain to me again about how bad your ribs hurt.   Never hear so much whining about one little fractured rib.

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Shows what you know.  Dive knife, phooey!  I actually own a fluorescent pink shorty wetsuit, which I use for SCUBA classes.

Yes Brian, but you haven’t addressed the issue of my pink bike frame. Now if you wear that pink shorty for triathlons then I would be really impressed.

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  After hearing about the sad drowning death at IM Utah, I began to wonder again about these stupid black wetsuits we all wear when doing these events. Dark blue with a little silver isn’t a lot better.   Bicycle jerseys are not just bright to look good, they aid in helping you BE SEEN on the road.  It only makes sense to wear something bright in the water.  Bright swim caps help, but I’ve done races that have used several colors that aren’t very visible. We can do better than this.   I know that the rubber is black and not dyeable, and that gluing a colored fabric on (like diving wetsuits) would add in cost and may add a couple seconds to one’s time,  but I’m sure this isn’t an obstacle which can’t be overcome. It cant be that hard to silkscreen some bright colors on these things.  If I were designing these things, I would be making them as bright and colorful as I possibly could, and I would have a whole body to advertise my product.  I think I would sell more suits, as well as aid in the safety of the sport.  And gee whiz, I could change the color and design every year and sell another wetsuit to someone who already has a perfectly good one, except in last year’s color.  Are you listening QR, IronMan, and Orca? Rich DaVico

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  After hearing about the sad drowning death at IM Utah, I began to wonder again about these stupid black wetsuits we all wear when doing these events. Dark blue with a little silver isn’t a lot better.   Bicycle jerseys are not just bright to look good, they aid in helping you BE SEEN on the road.  It only makes sense to wear something bright in the water.  Bright swim caps help, but I’ve done races that have used several colors that aren’t very visible. We can do better than this.   I know that the rubber is black and not dyeable,

Not true.  It’s black because it’s made that way. It doesn’t have to be. If I were designing these things, I would be making them as bright and colorful as I possibly could, and I would have a whole body to advertise my product.  I think I would sell more suits, as well as aid in the safety of the sport.  And gee whiz, I could change the color and design every year and sell another wetsuit to someone who already has a perfectly good one, except in last year’s color.  Are you listening QR, IronMan, and Orca?

No, they aren’t.  After a drowning at the National City triathlon was complicated by a black wetsuit (it took the diver multiple attempts to find the victim due to the black wetsuit in dark murky water) I posted this same point, and one maunfacturer responded that they had a bright color on one portion.  Later, when there was a call here for suggestions on how to make the T1 suits, I repeated this suggestion, only to be met with ridicule from those involved in the wetsuit’s design.  This was disappointing, because the makers of T1 wetsuits make some darn good tri-gear.

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It’s easy to put on color, but hard to make it so that it doesn’t fade substantially and quickly.  My custom wetsuit maker in Monterey will tell its customers exactly that.  If they want it still, they’ll make it.   Given our tendency to prefer shiny new looking gear, I have doubts that people would be happy about their suit looking old even if its performance was unchanged and the faded color more apparent. Me – I find the bright cap enough.  I prefer black motorcycle leather over the ’safer’ colors as well.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, they aren’t.  After a drowning at the National City triathlon was complicated by a black wetsuit (it took the diver multiple attempts to find the victim due to the black wetsuit in dark murky water) I posted this same point, and one maunfacturer responded that they had a bright color on one portion.  Later, when there was a call here for suggestions on how to make the T1 suits, I repeated this suggestion, only to be met with ridicule from those involved in the wetsuit’s design.  This was disappointing, because the makers of T1 wetsuits make some darn good tri-gear. I agree as well. If Orca suits can put WHITE stripe designs all over their suits, then why not make them a bright yellow or something? I really don’t think triathletes would mind (assuming the whole suit wasn’t pink) as we wear bright colors in just about everything else. Granted all black makes you look "thinner", but with some nice designs, black could still be prominent, but say with a brighter color on the back. IM wetsuits has done this to a small degree with their Stealth suits and the blue fabrics on the back, but it should still be brighter, in my opinion. All black certainly isn’t making us go faster!!!

Emilio, are you listening?

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Great idea,   Rich, you get the PINK one. Actually that’s not such a bad idea. A scuba instructor I know has all his equipment pink. He figures it’s far less likely to be stolen.

Except by the SCUBA fairies. Well, SOMEBODY had to say it.

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Great idea,   Rich, you get the PINK one.

Actually that’s not such a bad idea. A scuba instructor I know has all his equipment pink. He figures it’s far less likely to be stolen.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   After hearing about the sad drowning death at IM Utah, I began to wonder again about these stupid black wetsuits we all wear when doing these events. Dark blue with a little silver isn’t a lot better.   Bicycle jerseys are not just bright to look good, they aid in helping you BE SEEN on the road.  It only makes sense to wear something bright in the water.  Bright swim caps help, but I’ve done races that have used several colors that aren’t very visible. We can do better than this.   I know that the rubber is black and not dyeable, Not true.  It’s black because it’s made that way. It doesn’t have to be. If I were designing these things, I would be making them as bright and colorful as I possibly could, and I would have a whole body to advertise my product.  I think I would sell more suits, as well as aid in the safety of the sport.  And gee whiz, I could change the color and design every year and sell another wetsuit to someone who already has a perfectly good one, except in last year’s color.  Are you listening QR, IronMan, and Orca? No, they aren’t.  After a drowning at the National City triathlon was complicated by a black wetsuit (it took the diver multiple attempts to find the victim due to the black wetsuit in dark murky water) I posted this same point, and one maunfacturer responded that they had a bright color on one portion.  Later, when there was a call here for suggestions on how to make the T1 suits, I repeated this suggestion, only to be met with ridicule from those involved in the wetsuit’s design.  This was disappointing, because the makers of T1 wetsuits make some darn good tri-gear.

I agree as well. If Orca suits can put WHITE stripe designs all over their suits, then why not make them a bright yellow or something? I really don’t think triathletes would mind (assuming the whole suit wasn’t pink) as we wear bright colors in just about everything else. Granted all black makes you look "thinner", but with some nice designs, black could still be prominent, but say with a brighter color on the back. IM wetsuits has done this to a small degree with their Stealth suits and the blue fabrics on the back, but it should still be brighter, in my opinion. All black certainly isn’t making us go faster!!!

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Great idea,   Rich, you get the PINK one.   I hope wetsuit manufacturers are reading (Emilio) as we do need to be thinking safety in the sport.   Bright color should be a simple technology.   Just don’t make any "Buoy Red". Ken

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   After hearing about the sad drowning death at IM Utah, I began to wonder again about these stupid black wetsuits we all wear when doing these events. Dark blue with a little silver isn’t a lot better.   Bicycle jerseys are not just bright to look good, they aid in helping you BE SEEN on the road.  It only makes sense to wear something bright in the water.  Bright swim caps help, but I’ve done races that have used several colors that aren’t very visible. We can do better than this.   I know that the rubber is black and not dyeable, and that gluing a colored fabric on (like diving wetsuits) would add in cost and may add a couple seconds to one’s time,  but I’m sure this isn’t an obstacle which can’t be overcome. It cant be that hard to silkscreen some bright colors on these things.  If I were designing these things, I would be making them as bright and colorful as I possibly could, and I would have a whole body to advertise my product.  I think I would sell more suits, as well as aid in the safety of the sport.  And gee whiz, I could change the color and design every year and sell another wetsuit to someone who already has a perfectly good one, except in last year’s color.  Are you listening QR, IronMan, and Orca? Rich DaVico

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Whoever wrote the article obviously never received the Australian Taxation Dept. Olympic concessions application form. All imports for olympic athletes, coaches and officials are GST excempt. Applications for excemption on earning capital are also available. Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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That shouldn’t surprise you after you realize that Australia doesn’t even care enough about its own citizens to allow them to defend themselves with anything more than a butter knife. Forget about their tax structure. Why would you think they would care more about foreigners?

Defend themselves against what? Don’t you mean that they actually care enough to prevent any idiot from owning a gun! And stopping people from owning assult weapons? They care enough so we don’t have drive by shootings and 12 yo kids from having access to guns going on shooting spree’s in school. Geoff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jack Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site Before you buy.

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That shouldn’t surprise you after you realize that Australia doesn’t even care enough about its own citizens to allow them to defend themselves with anything more than a butter knife. Forget about their tax structure. Why would you think they would care more about foreigners? Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Australia may impose tax on foreign medal winners. Sydney — Medals at the Sydney Olympic Games may come with something extra — a tax bill. International competitors who earn cash bonuses from their national Olympic committees and sports federations for winning medals will owe taxes in Australia, even if they receive the money after returning home. More…from the Globe and Mail at: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/OtherSports/20000817/SOLYM.html. Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html A running and triathlon resource site

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If my personal observation is close, the types  of  males in a random sampling of 100 ages 40-45 ( Kansas origin ’cause that’s where I am) 50  smokers 15  alcoholics 10  very heavy individuals 25  overweight individuals 12  weightlifters (no jogging at all) 10   "runners" (35+miles/wk) 23  "joggers"   (<35 miles/wk)  4   bicyclists   (serious peddlers 100+             miles/wk)  1   triathlete (crazy people)                         This is not a "scientific" survey this is a  sampling of the population around my area.   If you could possibly get this group to participate in a 10k, RunninRich is already better then 50% of base sampling if you look at the other 50%  which is a mix   of different regimens,  There would    " Probably "  be 24 people in front of RR towards the end of a 10k.                           Tom " the world is flat ’cause I fell off once "  

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Top or or two percent? dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually run the 10k and generally fall into the 35th percentile of my age group, meaning about 65% of the males in my age group run faster than me. I am 42. In a feeble attempt to feel better about this I was wondering what percentile I would fall into in a 10k made up of 100 males, 40-45, picked at random from the general population. Any guesses? RunninRich

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I usually run the 10k and generally fall into the 35th percentile of my age group, meaning about 65% of the males in my age group run faster than me. I am 42. In a feeble attempt to feel better about this I was wondering what percentile I would fall into in a 10k made up of 100 males, 40-45, picked at random from the general population. Any guesses?

Let’s see it’s ans = (2/5 pi * min on left foot)/(your BMI – eye color) Too much math is bad for your soul. — Caveat Lector!

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I usually run the 10k and generally fall into the 35th percentile of my age group, meaning about 65% of the males in my age group run faster than me. I am 42. In a feeble attempt to feel better about this I was wondering what percentile I would fall into in a 10k made up of 100 males, 40-45, picked at random from the general population. Any guesses? RunninRich

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I realized when I arrived that I had no chance of knowing who you were. The girls in the massage tent were friendly though.  One of the other Cairns Croc.s guys was there as well. I forget his name, but he did a great time of about 4:30 and gave me some good advice. Your note about the Electrolytes is interesting too. I spoke today with Allen from East Coast Cycles in Brisbane ( a really big tri. group) He had a similar thing to say. He said his guys always kept a bottle of some carbo-loading drink on them for the few days before the race. That way they get plenty of water, easily digestible food, and electrolytes. You were right about the rain as well. It didn’t fine up until after the start of my run. – I did the same thing as you except I left my hat and sunnies in transition. I was in such a daze though, I hardly even thought about it. When is Ironman Canada? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I forgot to add- the winners were Craig Alexander and Chippy Slater. Their times were something incredible, like 3:57 and 3:59 if I remember rightly. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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WAY TO GO Despite the bad weather you stuck it out and finished under 10% over your goal. Not bad for a first 1/2. Glad to hear that being a tough SOB still counts for something. Kevin

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Phil, Great effort in your first Half Ironman. Sorry I didn’t get to meet up with you but I understand you had a good chat with some of my friends at the massage tent while I was still out on the course "appreciating the experience". My fourth attempt was less than ideal. Although I was under-trained for the event due to my accident 2 months ago I was still optimistic about doing a PB (better than 6:14). The swim went well despite the cross current (local knowledge helps) and I hit transition 4 minutes better than last year and felt great (36:03). So far so good. I had a reasonable transition (around 2:08) and hit the road on my new Cdale MS4000. I had only ridden it 210 kms in training so it was a guess as to how it/I would go. Conditions were ideal – cool and overcast with no wind. I made good time with very little effort, powering through the rolling hills with ease to the turn around at 30 km. Hitting the hills again on the return 30 km was a bit harder but I still felt great. At the 60 km mark, armed with fresh water, I started the last 30 km into Cairns – very flat and fast except it started to rain and the headwinds arrived (as always). My legs were starting to get tired. Decision time. Back off and save something for the run or keep pushing and see if I could maintain my average speed. The run would be in the rain so dehydration wouldn’t be the problem it was last year and the new bike was flying so I went for it. Hit transition with an average speed of 29.3 kph – very fast for me but my legs were tired now. Transition was fair at 2::43 and I was out on the run. Had my hat but left my sun glasses due to the rain. My legs were heavy but I was moving ok. After 1 km the sun came out and the heat started. After 5 km I was toast. By 8 km I was cramping badly and by 11 km could only manage a brisk walk. Legs didn’t feel bad, I wasn’t that tired but they just would push without seizing up – right calf mostly. It takes a long time to walk 10 km! My run took 3:14:51- a new PW (personal worst). During post race analysis I decided that I had over hydrated during the 5 days leading up to the event with straight water  and hence flushed out some electrolytes. Should have used more sport drink and added more salt to my food. Water and fuel intake on the bike were ok but the damage was already done – hence the cramps. Water intake during the run was all my belly would hold but due to the heat and the time it took I lost over 5 Kgs so dehydration towards the end was a major problem. Total finishing time was 6:59:41, also a PW. Despite the time I was actually quite pleased with the race. My swim was a 4 minute PB and the bike was a 10 minute PB with less training than ever before. I made the decision to push the bike and expected to pay for it on the run – just not quite so much. Lessons learned: 1) more training required, especially on the bike, 2) the weather can change, 3) watch the electrolyte balance and 4) walking is really slow    I am still on track for Ironman Canada 1999. Rob Mackenzie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday I completed my first long Triathlon, the Cairns Half Ironman. Today I have a lot more respect for those guys (and girls) who call themselves Ironmen. snip

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Yesterday I completed my first long Triathlon, the Cairns Half Ironman. Today I have a lot more respect for those guys (and girls) who call themselves Ironmen. After starting triathlon last year and gaining some confidence with improving times in sprint and then two Olympic distance triathlons, I thought I would give the longer distance a shot. I didn’t have a clue what to aim for, but my Olymic dist. time last month was 2:18 on a very tough course, and after some advice from guys on this newsgroup (thanks guys) I figured on 5 hours, and worked my targets around that. I was told the Cairns Half Ironman was one of the toughest races of its length in the world, but I was not to be put off, as I had also heard it was one of the most scenic. I would like to say that it was too much looking at the scenery that was the cause of my dismal performance, but that would not be true – The fact was, the race was just a mite too LONG for me. All I could think during the run was how mad I was for even considering doing it at all, let alone entertaining ideas of doing a decent time. My taper was not good, as I had not had much time to train for the 3 weeks before the race. So I had a few aprehensions at the start, but I had planned to break 5 hours, and thought maybe I could still do it. The start was at dawn. There was just enough light to see the "No swimming, Crocodiles" sign in front of the beach. There was some current, and swimmers were going everywhere all over the show. The sun rising over the horizon behind the buoys did not help. I came out onto the beach (without any close encounters of the reptilian kind) in just under 36 min -two minutes slower than I had planned, but better too slow that too fast, and it was just the start…right? Wrong. There was some drafting going on, but I made a point of doing it alone, and held a good pace up the coast to the 30km turn around. then back down to the 60k mark. The scenery along the coastline was absolutely awesome, and I was actually enjoying the hills. Things started to come apart through the last 30k into Cairns city. Rain came out of no-where and came down all the way into Cairns.  The infamous headwinds picked up a little also, and the quads began to complain. A bunch of guys cheering everyone on at one roundabout were nearly the only thing that inspired me enough to keep up a reasonable pace – that and some of the female age-groupers screaming passing me. I stumbled off the bike into the run transition in 3 hours 24 mins. Not bad I thought. That was 2:49 for the bike leg. Again, slower than planned, but only by 4 minutes. I no longer had any thoughts of doing 5 hours but (I thought) if I can do a decent run, I can still be close to the mark – HA! I understand now what race organizer Mark Bulley (?) meant when he said to me that the race starts with the run. He meant, those who like pain go fast, those who don’t, don’t. After the first 6 or so kilometers of utter agony in the quads – and everywhere else, I took an unavoidable toilet stop and resigned myself to more of a humble stumble. The weather kindly fined up just before I came into the run transition and I spent the entire 21.1km in burning tropical heat – and mud. Fortunately there were aid stations every kilometer of the 7.1km x 3 lap course. These, as well as hundreds of cheering, half drunk women having a champagne breakfast near our goal (and turnaround) after their charity run, got me through to the finish eventually.  The run along the esplanade also looks quite nice from the photos – but for the notice I gave it, I could have been in Outer Mongolia.  Apparently I had a big grin on my face most of the way, but that was probably the halucinations kicking in. Altogether the run took me two very tough hours. Despite such a disgraceful run leg, I was completely wrapped with the race, and my time of 5:24:48 -88th overall and 17th in my agegroup. So in conclusion, this long-course business is, well, insane, (no offence) and I won’t recommend it to anyone, unless they are determined hard-core, stubborn SOB’s. I get the feeling that it hurt everyone as much as it was hurting me, but the fast guys just ignore the pain and push on "pretending" as if they were running almost fresh. It was inspirational to see Craig Alexander and Chippy Slater looking so comfortable out there, knowing that they hurt like hell, but were still really kicking. As for me I am a stubborn SOB, so I am planning to go back to Tokyo and get me some of this brick training, and see what wonders it can work. Happy training, Phil Ryan Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Old news to everyone I’m sure, but it takes me a while to notice these things… I’m looking at the 97 tape last Saturday (as you do) — Sian Welch is running out of T2 in a group of competitors — she clips on her race belt holding 2 gel?? flasks — then there is a flash of white — then there is a shot from behind and she now only has 1 of those flasks on the belt. Stepping the tape back and frame-by-frame checking — sure enough, that white flash is one (or half) of her food supply falling out onto the ground. I wonder when it was that she discovered it was gone…??? — MB.

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And in 98 when she ran by me she dropped her salt tablets, etc.  Sian must have bad luck here. Rob

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And in 98 when she ran by me she dropped her salt tablets, etc.  Sian must have bad luck here. Rob

Sian Welch didn’t race IMC in 98. — Tri Your Hardest!   /O     ___o     o      ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)    /           Darrin Bartlett 18 weeks to the inaugural Ironman USA!

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And in 98 when she ran by me she dropped her salt tablets, etc.  Sian must have bad luck here. Rob Sian Welch didn’t race IMC in 98.

Who said anything about IMC?  They were talking about IMH. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And in 98 when she ran by me she dropped her salt tablets, etc.  Sian must have bad luck here. Rob Sian Welch didn’t race IMC in 98. Who said anything about IMC?  They were talking about IMH.

My fault, IMC on the brain. — Tri Your Hardest!   /O     ___o     o      ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)    /           Darrin Bartlett 18 weeks to the inaugural Ironman USA!

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ok, here’s the list (as of friday night) of rst:ers doing the bonelli race sunday: larry himmel gary mcmurtrey & queen carla andrew duncan, scott & 30+ other UCSB gaucho-types peggy mcdowell-cramer i’ll bring goodies.  make yourselves known by a sign or such, ok? peggy

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<<ok, here’s the list (as of friday night) of rst:ers doing the bonelli race sunday: larry himmel gary mcmurtrey & queen carla andrew duncan, scott & 30+ other UCSB gaucho-types peggy mcdowell-cramer i’ll bring goodies.  make yourselves known by a sign or such, ok? peggy Just look for our club banner Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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I saw the banner but no one was around.  I had to leave shortly after it was all over, though.  Hope everyone had a good race. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<ok, here’s the list (as of friday night) of rst:ers doing the bonelli race sunday: larry himmel gary mcmurtrey & queen carla andrew duncan, scott & 30+ other UCSB gaucho-types peggy mcdowell-cramer i’ll bring goodies.  make yourselves known by a sign or such, ok? peggy Just look for our club banner Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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I saw the banner but no one was around.  I had to leave shortly after it was

all over, though. Sorry about that Larry. We all got talked into continuing the workout by adding another 5 miles around the lake.  Hope everyone had a good race.

Great race once the feeling came back to my feet. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

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Peter, Well, I am one of the minority who didn’t decide that you were wrong and bash you up and down. In my opinion, you had a right to be pissed, and the other person’s non-responsiveness and the apparent loss of your items certainly made it justifiable. I will not criticize you for posting your angry comments to rst. In fact, I appreciated the reminder of the risk of net transactions with some possible upcoming items to sell myself. I think most people are scared when they see true emotions being revealed. I do hope you will reconsider your choice to stay off rst. I am sure that your input will be appreciated and useful. There are many others, including me, who have done similar things (posted angry comments when an agreement was breached). These things are soon forgotten. Anyway, good health to you and I do hope you get your matter resolved. (BTW, I found it interesting how everyone condemned YOU when it looked alot like you were the one who got screwed. Go figure.) -Rolf Arands — I am Iron Mac…       …a student of Ironman, ever learning…                                       …about having faith.         IMC’94/14:07    IMC’95/11:59    IMC’97/12:12    IMC’98/14:02

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I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

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I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific.

I certainly don’t want Peter to be shunned, and I do hope his situation is resolved. I just don’t think we should use the group for airing specific grievances with the intent of forcing the accused to capitulate to avoid public embarassment. I never complained about for-sale posts on RST, and responded to those who did that removing ads would not be an appropriate response to the problem I was complaining about. But Peter’s response strikes me a trifle petty, if I can get away with making so obvious an observation. I hoped that my position would be argued on the merits, and not be construed as ad hominem attacks, or as a recommendation to shun Peter’s posts. Or even lead to a "take my toys and go home" response. I think I supported all my suggestions with thought-out arguments. You may disagree, and we can discuss it. If I didn’t think it was important, I would not have brought it up. If people accuse other people of criminal acts on the Internet, and they choose to do so where I will see it, then I will complain. I have a conviction against it, and convictions make waves when necessary. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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Rick, my response was entirely based on Peter’s decision to not post FS stuff on RST anymore.  Note that this entire thread was about his decision to not post on RST in the future, and had nothing to do with the issue of trying someone via Usenet. I was hoping to encourage him that there were still people who had good dealings with him, and I for one would like to see his ads…. or delete them as I go, it is after all my choice. In no way was my post a reflection on your rational thoughts regarding trial by Usenet, and I agree with your position entirely.  I didn’t realize how much one thread spilled over into the other.  I probably should have, this is a passionate subject. Sorry if I worded this poorly. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve dealt with Peter before, had no problems, and hate to think I’m going to have to wade through all the RBM stuff to find Peter’s tri goodies…. John Since it doesn’t seem like you guys like cross posting to RST, and some of you really don’t like hearing about transactions, good or bad, I’ll keep my posts to RBM from now on, even if the items are triathlon specific. I certainly don’t want Peter to be shunned, and I do hope his situation is resolved. I just don’t think we should use the group for airing specific grievances with the intent of forcing the accused to capitulate to avoid public embarassment. I never complained about for-sale posts on RST, and responded to those who did that removing ads would not be an appropriate response to the problem I was complaining about. But Peter’s response strikes me a trifle petty, if I can get away with making so obvious an observation. I hoped that my position would be argued on the merits, and not be construed as ad hominem attacks, or as a recommendation to shun Peter’s posts. Or even lead to a "take my toys and go home" response. I think I supported all my suggestions with thought-out arguments. You may disagree, and we can discuss it. If I didn’t think it was important, I would not have brought it up. If people accuse other people of criminal acts on the Internet, and they choose to do so where I will see it, then I will complain. I have a conviction against it, and convictions make waves when necessary. Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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I am looking for a copy of Sally Edwards’ book," Run,Bike,Swim" and have had no luck finding it! If any body knows where I might get one (I am in Nova Scotia,Canada) or can suggest another good book on Triathlon Training, I would be indebted. Thanks, John

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I am looking for a copy of Sally Edwards’ book," Run,Bike,Swim" and have had no luck finding it!

AFAIK know (and according to the Amazon 2.5 million listing catalogue) Edwards did not write that book (or anything close to it).. Glenn Town wrote "Swim, Bike Run", though. Tom

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"… type A behavior. If you are looking for that "balls to the wall", I have to "burn, baby, burn" at every step try swimming or biking." Being both type-A and a triathlete, I love that line, especially if you take it out of context. Thanks for the smile! Paul Gimbel "Try-athlete’

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Mike Tennent asked: | | Is this the only running you will be doing? That is, are all your | workouts going to be intervals? | Michael Behr replied: | yep.  Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that interval training was | best for building up speed.  Actually, I got that from a number of sources | that I can’t remember.  The only thing I _do_ remember is that Men’s | Health said interval training burns fat at 9 times the rate of either | regular running, or walking.  Of course, that doesn’t mean all that much | to me.. |   Mike Tennent suggested: | If so, go ahead and prepay your medical expenses….  ;-0 | Michael Behr replied: | hmm…I didn’t think about the inuries. | | My mentality doesn’t allow me to do that.  If I’m going along at a doable | speed,  I get bored in about 15 seconds.  I have to push myself to the | limit, and the intervals are the only way I’ve found so far that I can do | that.  Of course, I didn’t do all _that_ much research, so maybe there’s | another way. Can you spell injury? Unless you want a short lived  running career you had best tuck away the youthful exuberance and or type A behavior. If you are looking for that "balls to the wall", I have to "burn, baby, burn" at every step try swimming or biking. At least they are non-impact sports and possibly do less damage. Let’s do an analogy. When a body builder wants to increase his biceps does he do curls every day of the week? I think not. Like all sports, you tear down  muscles and they need time to repair and get stronger.  If you do nothing but tear down, make your appointment today with an orthopod or podiatrist – they usually have long waiting periods. As Mike Tennent pointed out, even the elites do at best two hard workouts. And to withstand these grueling days, they have months and years of slow base and hills. The vast majority of injuries in running are due to running too much(mileage), too fast(pace), too quickly(time). As with most things in life, it’s your choice. Sermon over but the best of luck.     — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

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Is this the only running you will be doing? That is, are all your workouts going to be intervals?

yep.  Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that interval training was best for building up speed.  Actually, I got that from a number of sources that I can’t remember.  The only thing I _do_ remember is that Men’s Health said interval training burns fat at 9 times the rate of either regular running, or walking.  Of course, that doesn’t mean all that much to me.. If so, go ahead and prepay your medical expenses….  ;-0

hmm…I didn’t think about the inuries. Few experienced runners do more than two speed sessions a week. Most do one. You need to work up gradually and easily to speed/intervals workouts.

My mentality doesn’t allow me to do that.  If I’m going along at a doable speed,  I get bored in about 15 seconds.  I have to push myself to the limit, and the intervals are the only way I’ve found so far that I can do that.  Of course, I didn’t do all _that_ much research, so maybe there’s another way. The routine you came up with sounds OK, just don’t do it every time you run. You need to build a base of longer, slower runs, with interval, speed, and other types mixed in.

which routine?  The one that keeps the interval program and increases time, or the one that increases the number of fast laps I do until I do a -Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday, I went on the treadmill at my gym and tried out an interval program, just to see what I could do.  It was: walk a lap at 3 mph, jog one at 6 mph, walk one at 3 mph, run one at 8 mph, and then start all over again.  Each lap was 1/16 of a mile, and I did this for 15 minutes, which ended up totalling just under a mile.  I felt really good at the end of this – breathing harder than normal, but still able to carry on a conversation. My feeling was that 3mph was slow, 6 was comfortable, and 8 was fast, but it was really nice to be able to let loose like that.  So I revised the because I had already done the run before, but by the middle of the last lap, I was half dying, and the 1 lap at 3 mph was not enough to let me catch my breath. Now, assuming I find a program that I can run at for 15 minutes, how do you all suggest that I get to my goal of an 8 mile hour?  There are two ways that I can think of: 1) I keep this program up, 3 or 4 times a week, adding 5 minutes of running per week until I’m up to an hour, and after that, increase the number of 8mph laps I do by 1 every other run. 2) I run 3 or 4 times a week, increasing the number of 8mph laps I do until I can run for 15 minutes at 8 mph, and then add a minute or so to every other run I do.

Time Out…… Is this the only running you will be doing? That is, are all your workouts going to be intervals? If so, go ahead and prepay your medical expenses….  ;-0 Few experienced runners do more than two speed sessions a week. Most do one. You need to work up gradually and easily to speed/intervals workouts. The routine you came up with sounds OK, just don’t do it every time you run. You need to build a base of longer, slower runs, with interval, speed, and other types mixed in. Mike "TriBop" Tennent WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Beginner’s FAQ, Software Download the WebRunner Racing Utilities   http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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Yesterday, I went on the treadmill at my gym and tried out an interval program, just to see what I could do.  It was: walk a lap at 3 mph, jog one at 6 mph, walk one at 3 mph, run one at 8 mph, and then start all over again.  Each lap was 1/16 of a mile, and I did this for 15 minutes, which ended up totalling just under a mile.  I felt really good at the end of this – breathing harder than normal, but still able to carry on a conversation. My feeling was that 3mph was slow, 6 was comfortable, and 8 was fast, but it was really nice to be able to let loose like that.  So I revised the because I had already done the run before, but by the middle of the last lap, I was half dying, and the 1 lap at 3 mph was not enough to let me catch my breath. Now, assuming I find a program that I can run at for 15 minutes, how do you all suggest that I get to my goal of an 8 mile hour?  There are two ways that I can think of: 1) I keep this program up, 3 or 4 times a week, adding 5 minutes of running per week until I’m up to an hour, and after that, increase the number of 8mph laps I do by 1 every other run. 2) I run 3 or 4 times a week, increasing the number of 8mph laps I do until I can run for 15 minutes at 8 mph, and then add a minute or so to every other run I do. Just in case the extra info helps: I’m 20 years old, 160 lbs, in fair shape, lift weights 3 times a week, and my left knee had 1/3 of the lateral meniscus removed six years ago after the cartilage was mysteriously torn.  No heart ailments, or other history of injuries. I’m not running primarily to lose weight or to become more fit or for any health benefits (those are secondary…  nice things if they happen along the way, but…) I’m mostly doing it because I can’t right now.   -Mike

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        If my goal was to run eight miles in an hour, I’d work on runs of 3.5 to 5 miles until I could do them at the goal pace (7:30 minute miles).  I would then throw in some longer runs once a week of 10 miles at about 9:00 per mile pace.  After three weeks of this, I’d find a moderately inclined hill and run 6 x 1:30 up the hill at a pace which left me breathing hard after 1 minute.  I’d do this (the long runs on Sunday and the hill repeats on Wednesday) for two weeks, then take two easy days and attempt the 8 miles in an hour.                                                         – Bret Jensen

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated.

We have one club, Tri-Atlanta (see http://www.msm.edu/groups/tri-atlanta/). There are a few local races: May:  UGA Triathlon, middle distance tri   June: Powerful Peach Tri (formerly Tide Ride Stride), sprint tri       Cumming Triathlon (status uncertain for ‘97), sprint tri July: All American Tri (formerly Hootersman), sprint tri Tom Z also has the Gatorade series in Augusta and Jekyll Island and possibly one new race this year. There are also races within short driving distance in Tennessee, Alabama, and South Carolina.   David Welcome to Atlanta!

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated. TriMilo

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I am contemplating a move from Orlando to Atlanta (great job offer awaits). I was wondering what the tri scene is like in Atlanta? Any regular series? Special races to look for? Tri Clubs? Any help is greatly appreciated. TriMilo

Lots of good triathletes and good races close by…..Jim Lefebre…National and World champ….Betty Mills National champ….Bruce Buchannan National, World and Ironman champ,…Jan Elsbach 3rd age group at Ironman……etc. Great training weather……good pools…….good group rides…… I like it! cheers Sam

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