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Hey, was there any TV coverage of the NY Marathon in Canada…. more specifically in Ontario (Ottawa, to be exact)? I sorely want(ed) to see whatever measley coverage they did/will show, but am concerned that it was on and I missed the darn thing! I’ve scoured the tv listings for the past couple of weeks hoping to see something about it, but nothing! Any help? Thanks, Cam

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I think it was on a local NY NBC station ‘live’ for several hours in the morning, and around 4:00pm EST the national NBC (i.e. the channel you and I get) showed an hour-long edited program. I missed it all, so I could be wrong about my info. However – speaking of TV, you might be interested to know that apparently NBC is showing Ironman Hawaii on Nov 18 at 4:30pm EST. I am racing a 5k that morning, and plan to consume a nice bottle or two of red while watching whatever pittance NBC throws out at us. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "Courage is fear holding on a minute longer"                                         Gen. George Patton http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, was there any TV coverage of the NY Marathon in Canada…. more specifically in Ontario (Ottawa, to be exact)? I sorely want(ed) to see whatever measley coverage they did/will show, but am concerned that it was on and I missed the darn thing! I’ve scoured the tv listings for the past couple of weeks hoping to see something about it, but nothing! Any help? Thanks, Cam

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I think it was on a local NY NBC station ‘live’ for several hours in the morning, and around 4:00pm EST the national NBC (i.e. the channel you and I get) showed an hour-long edited program.

dang, i missed it then. there must have been a last minute programming change to put that on the air. i don’t think it was documented in the tv listings (the ones here anyway). However – speaking of TV, you might be interested to know that apparently NBC is showing Ironman Hawaii on Nov 18 at 4:30pm EST. I am racing a 5k that morning, and plan to consume a nice bottle or two of red while watching whatever pittance NBC throws out at us.

yes! i am interested…. i love watching the triathlons that OLN shows. who knows, if NBC doesn’t do the IM Hawaii justice, OLN will. OLN is a very pro-triathlon station. not only do they often show several per week, but will have multiple showings of the same one within a day, just in case you missed an earlier airing of it. Thanks for the tip…. "a bottle of white"…. Cam

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It was on the afternoon of the race… Ken I think it was on a local NY NBC station ‘live’ for several hours in the morning, and around 4:00pm EST the national NBC (i.e. the channel you and I get) showed an hour-long edited program. I missed it all, so I could be wrong about my info. However – speaking of TV, you might be interested to know that apparently NBC is showing Ironman Hawaii on Nov 18 at 4:30pm EST. I am racing a 5k that morning, and plan to consume a nice bottle or two of red while watching whatever pittance NBC throws out at us.

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What difference of opinion are you talking about? I am, always have been, and always will be OPPOSED TO DRAFTING in triathlons.  That’s a documented fact. And I CAN and will keep it out of age group racing here in America. Ray

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don’t | seem to like each other | | Lol!  Nah, he coudn’t be that bad, he is a Triathlete after all.  I’m sure he’s | a nice guy, just a difference of opinion on the drafting subject is all. | | | Tim | buaidh no bas

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What difference of opinion are you talking about?

The format of olympic "triathlon"  and whether or not olympic "triathlon" has done anything at all for the sport.  (which I oversimplified to "drafting") I am, always have been, and always will be OPPOSED TO DRAFTING in triathlons.  That’s a documented fact.

I see.  You sure do bend easy. And I CAN and will keep it out of age group racing.

We’ll see.  Why not get it out of pro racing while your at it?  With all that power, should be easy. Ray

Why reply to this post and ignore the other?  Afraid?  Have a nice day Ray. Tim buaidh no bas

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This is where the USAT is falling down, IMO, allowing one-day membership.  Require an annual membership and make sure races police it.

That’s a quick way to kill growth of the sport, or kill sanctioning of races. I can see it now: "Gee, I thought I might give this triathlon thing a whirl, but they won’t even let me sign up unless I join some stupid club.  I didn’t know it was a ‘union shop.’  Screw that! I’ll stick to running."

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What difference of opinion are you talking about?

Simple. The difference is over whether draft-legal pro races and Olympics should be tolerated, and what their ultimate effect will be on age group racing. I am, always have been, and always will be OPPOSED TO DRAFTING in triathlons.  That’s a documented fact.

Well, it’s an assertion of yours; if you want to call it a "documented fact," you can pay for the polygraph exam. And I CAN and will keep it out of age group racing here in America.

And I’m just dying to know exactly how you’ll do that, as one lone individual.

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And I CAN and will keep it out of age group racing. We’ll see.  Why not get it out of pro racing while your at it?  With all that power, should be easy.

Yes, and it would be a nice way to prove that you can.

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seem to like each other

Lol!  Nah, he coudn’t be that bad, he is a Triathlete after all.  I’m sure he’s a nice guy, just a difference of opinion on the drafting subject is all. Tim buaidh no bas

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What difference of opinion are you talking about? I am, always have been, and always will be OPPOSED TO DRAFTING in triathlons.  That’s a documented fact. And I CAN and will keep it out of age group racing. Ray

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don’t | seem to like each other | | Lol!  Nah, he coudn’t be that bad, he is a Triathlete after all.  I’m sure he’s | a nice guy, just a difference of opinion on the drafting subject is all. | | | Tim | buaidh no bas

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There you have it.  The absolute truth from a man who has his finger on the pulse of world opinion and preference. Thanks Ray

I’m overwelmed Ray.  BTW did you have an opinion or answer to Johnpgovol’s question?  Perhaps you have a better idea as to "the pulse of world opinion and preference" as it relates to olympic "triathlon"?  I doubt it, I imagine your opinion is that of the tiny little IOC, ITU, wheel sucking world you live in, but perhaps not.  What do you say? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great | sport | a year after the Olympics. | | Has our sport grown?  For the better? | | I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for the | growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. | | Has this happened, or is it too early to tell? | | Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the | olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be | silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics. Probobly a | few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of klutzy | riders however.

Tim buaidh no bas

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…….For all you know, the increase in USAT membership is backlash of people getting involved to vote out the leadership that they feel overemphasized the Olympic inclusion in their priorities.

There was this guy who didn’t do much swimming, but he liked to run and occasionally went biking with his friends.  One day he heard there was someone, whatzisface, who wanted some particular sport – triathalon, it was – included in the Olympics.  Woah, said this guy, I’m going to join that club so that #%&* leader doesn’t overemphasize the Olympic inclusion in their priorities.  Thus was the membership of USAT swelled to overflowing, more or less according to Brian. We shall see. You may be defending the beginning of the trend that will end up costing you either your credibility or your life.  If I were you I’d be more stridently seeking to avoid facing that choice, after having made such a proclamation.

Well, I must admit, Brian, I’d increase the stridency of my seeking, too.   Do you know how to boil a live frog, Ray? Now you’re striking low.  In my pond I have a two inch Bull frog and I have been watching him absorb his tail when my nasty knee prevented me from doing my own hopping and leaping.  Your question struck holy terror in my heart.  You don’t believe me, do you?  Check him out at the bottom of the following page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/%20Pond.html Ruth Kazez

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FWIW, Tinman Hawaii (yesterday) seemed to have about the same crowd as always, but I haven’t heard what the official numbers were. I will say that for the first time in a couple of years there is a new sprint tri here on Oahu – the Kalealoha Tri.  At least it’s the first new one that I’ve been made aware of and I’m usually keeping an eye open for new events. Aside from that, I haven’t seen any particular signs of growth. — Aloha, -Ben- http://home.hawaii.rr.com/schorr

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There you have it.  The absolute truth from a man who has his finger on the pulse of world opinion and preference. Thanks Ray | | I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great | sport | a year after the Olympics. | | Has our sport grown?  For the better? | | I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for the | growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. | | Has this happened, or is it too early to tell? | | Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the | olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be | silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics. Probobly a | few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of klutzy | riders however. | | | Tim | buaidh no bas

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Participation in the Danskin events and early sign-up for the AARP series are both progressing rapidly.  I attribute this, in part,  to the excitement created by the Olympic triathlon’s success, especially as the opening event. I do not attribute the sports growth in any part to the olympics.  The sport has been growing for the last several years.  Do you have any facts to support your argument?

I have to agree with Tim on this.  I work with a women’s only tri club, probably half are beginners and 85% are new in the past 2 years.  I’d say that NONE of them got started training due to the Olympics. Instead, it is more of the "Hey, my friend X did this.  I’ll bet I can too."  And, groups like Team in Training, with the natural progression from running to tris and local small training groups (such as the YMCA). In the Tri for Fun series in Northern California that Jason mentioned, they have 1,000 people at the three races, all selling out in advance. And, 51% of the field were women and a very large majority of the 1,000 were first-timers (or at least they raised their hands to designate they were when Mark asked.) When that series started in the mid-late 1980s, there were around 60 people toeing the line. As for the increase in USAT annual members, what are the hard numbers on this?  I was the on-site registration coordinator at Alcatraz this year and I’ll bet the majority of athletes paid the one-day fee online when they signed up for the race.   I know that the one-day line at the 1/2 Vineman was about 10x longer than the annual membership line. This is where the USAT is falling down, IMO, allowing one-day membership.  Require an annual membership and make sure races police it.  I won’t even get started on tranferring race slots (which needs to be done.  Just a hint–look at how the NYC Marathon does this.) clm in sf, who has eaten three race entries so far this year and will probably eat Mrs. T’s entry too

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Most road races (5k/10k/etc) can be joined at pretty much last notice or even the day of the event, but I’m finding most of the tris in the area are full weeks or even months prior to the event.  A bit of a drag for those of us who don’t want to plan every event that far ahead.  Has it always been this way, or is it a case of more people than events right now?

Depends upon your area, I guess.  Here you can late register for most of our tris too…they usually have to limit entries because they have limited transition areas, etc, but it seems pretty unusual here for them to close registration because they hit the limit (even though they do all seem to be well-attended). I just saw the official number for Honolulu Tinman: 1,040 participants.  I’m not sure how that compares to years past, but I think it’s pretty high. — Aloha, -Ben- http://home.hawaii.rr.com/schorr

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On the other hand, if there is a finite limit to how many events can be held in a given area, it will only get worse.

How many road closures will the public tolerate? The big events are easier to commit to early, but some like Trical’s Alcatraz are filling 6 months prior.  For me, it’s been the casual $40 sprint events that I think about jumping in on 1-2 weeks before and I’m finding are already at the limit.  The Tri for Fun series closes online registration about 4 weeks before and this year has eliminated day of registration for every one.

Same thing’s happening here, but due to the addition of chip timing and because RD’s are tired of having to guess how many people will register at the last minute.  There is a series of $40 sprints in Ohio that keeps track of points for a series championship, but to be elegible, one must be pre-registered for at least 5 races before Memorial Day – that makes for a lot of early entries.

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Don’t be overwhelmed.   The truth of the matter is that membership in USAT is way up over last year.  In addition, sanctioning of new races is also leading last year.

Yes Ray I know, I actually mentioned in this very thread I believed Triathlon to have grown over the last year.  Reading comprehension Ray. Participation in the Danskin events and early sign-up for the AARP series are both progressing rapidly.  I attribute this, in part,  to the excitement created by the Olympic triathlon’s success, especially as the opening event.

I do not attribute the sports growth in any part to the olympics.  The sport has been growing for the last several years.  Do you have any facts to support your argument? Now to address the stuff you’ve been making up and posting here.

What exactly did I "make up" Ray?  What are you talking about?  Are you confused? Just because you’ve not spoken to anyone who has started triathlon as a result of the Olympic hoopla, doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening.  Just how many newbies have you found it in your heart to condescend to talk to? Not many?  I thought so.

I have spoken with many newbies as I’m one myself (having just recentely raced for the first time in 2 years after a injury).  Many different reasons have been given to me as to what got them into the sport.  A new friend I train with who has yet to race is joining our sport because running is beating her up and she wants to try something new.  She didn’t know "triathlon" was in the olympics until I mentioned it.  Of all the people I have spoken to no one mentioned the olympics as a reason. I do not live in the IOC, ITU draft legal world at all. I am an age grouper just like others my age in this country.  I have stated publicly that age group draft legal racing will only happen in this country over my dead body. That’s still a promise I will keep.  You don’t remember that?  I thought so.

I recall vagually you making this statement.  I believe you mean it.  Is it under your control I highly doubt.  As long as people keep kicking up a fuss about draft-legal tri we should be safe.  Not gonna let my guard down thats for sure.  Still this does not excuse drafting at the pro ranks as it stands.  I feel sorry for the kids who enter our sport, fall in love with it, then find their dreams of olympic glory mean racing a bastardized version of triathlon. I’m being serious here. So, how’s your sunblock working?  When you crawl out into the bright light of day and are confronted with the truth, it might just toast you.  Don’t make this stuff up and post it here.  You’re not doing anyone any good.

What are referring to?   What is the truth Ray?  That draft-legal tri is a wonderful and beautiful thing that all Triathletes are glad is in the olympics?  That the olympic race has been a huge boon for Triathlon?  This is you opinion Ray, by no means is it fact.  Again what am I making up? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ray | | There you have it.  The absolute truth from a man who has his finger on the | pulse of world opinion and preference. | | Thanks | | Ray | | I’m overwelmed Ray.  BTW did you have an opinion or answer to Johnpgovol’s | question?  Perhaps you have a better idea as to "the pulse of world opinion and | preference" as it relates to olympic "triathlon"?  I doubt it, I imagine your | opinion is that of the tiny little IOC, ITU, wheel sucking world you live in, | but perhaps not.  What do you say? | | | | | I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great | | sport | | a year after the Olympics. | | | | Has our sport grown?  For the better? | | | | I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for | the | | growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. | | | | Has this happened, or is it too early to tell? | | | | Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the | | olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be | | silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics. | Probobly a | | few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of | klutzy | | riders however. | | Tim | buaidh no bas

Tim buaidh no bas

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Most road races (5k/10k/etc) can be joined at pretty much last notice or even the day of the event, but I’m finding most of the tris in the area are full weeks or even months prior to the event.  A bit of a drag for those of us who don’t want to plan every event that far ahead.   If it’s due to growth, then it’s another reason growth isn’t universally good.

If it’s due to a sudden growth spurt, one response is for more events to pop up, as there are more customers to support them.  Some weekends have two events, but it’s still rare.  It’s quite common for there to be multiple running events.   On the other hand, if there is a finite limit to how many events can be held in a given area, it will only get worse. Around here it’s that RD’s are adding features like Championchip timing that require more advance preparation, so they’re limiting entries or imposing early deadlines to make it manageable.

The big events are easier to commit to early, but some like Trical’s Alcatraz are filling 6 months prior.  For me, it’s been the casual $40 sprint events that I think about jumping in on 1-2 weeks before and I’m finding are already at the limit.  The Tri for Fun series closes online registration about 4 weeks before and this year has eliminated day of registration for every one.  Others like the Tiburon Tri were auctioning their last spots over 2 months before.   — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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Don’t be overwhelmed.   The truth of the matter is that membership in USAT is way up over last year.  In addition, sanctioning of new races is also leading last year.  Participation in the Danskin events and early sign-up for the AARP series are both progressing rapidly.  I attribute this, in part,  to the excitement created by the Olympic triathlon’s success, especially as the opening event.

Most road races (5k/10k/etc) can be joined at pretty much last notice or even the day of the event, but I’m finding most of the tris in the area are full weeks or even months prior to the event.  A bit of a drag for those of us who don’t want to plan every event that far ahead.  Has it always been this way, or is it a case of more people than events right now? — Rec.scuba strokes pics page: www.jor.com/strokes Aquashot page: www.jor.com/dive/aquashot

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Most road races (5k/10k/etc) can be joined at pretty much last notice or even the day of the event, but I’m finding most of the tris in the area are full weeks or even months prior to the event.  A bit of a drag for those of us who don’t want to plan every event that far ahead.  

If it’s due to growth, then it’s another reason growth isn’t universally good. Around here it’s that RD’s are adding features like Championchip timing that require more advance preparation, so they’re limiting entries or imposing early deadlines to make it manageable.

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There was this guy who didn’t do much swimming, but he liked to run and occasionally went biking with his friends.  One day he heard there was someone, whatzisface, who wanted some particular sport – triathalon, it was – included in the Olympics.  Woah, said this guy, I’m going to join that club so that #%&* leader doesn’t overemphasize the Olympic inclusion in their priorities.  Thus was the membership of USAT swelled to overflowing, more or less according to Brian.

No, I’m speaking of the numerous triathletes who have not joined, and who complain loudly (especially here) about USAT fawning on the Olympics, and who people like Ray admonish that the best thing they can do is join and vote.  For all Ray knows, his admonishments could be working.  By the way, it was a strong motivator for me.  However, to further point out the folly of Ray’s reasoning, nothing about the Olympics can be inferred from a jump in USAT membership in the year that they increased the one day license fee by 40% while keeping the annual membership fee constant, which is the primary reason I joined – cost savings. Got that, Ray? It’s not the Olympics; to paraphrase the famous campaign button of 1996 – "it’s the economics, stupid." Well, I must admit, Brian, I’d increase the stridency of my seeking, too.

I was somewhat surprised to see Ray make such a bold claim; he’s usually much more restrained. It’s downright Brian-ish of him. Now you’re striking low.  In my pond I have a two inch Bull frog and I have been watching him absorb his tail when my nasty knee prevented me from doing my own hopping and leaping.  Your question struck holy terror in my heart.

Relax, Ruth, it’s a simple allusion to a common political proverb about complacency in the face of creeping despotism. If you toss a frog in a pot of boiling water, it’ll jump right back out. To boil a frog, you put it in a pot of cool water on the stove, and gradually raise the temperature. The frog will simply enjoy the gradually warming water, and by the time he realizes what’s happening, it’s too late.  The parallels for Ray are pretty clear. Your bullfrog is safe, although, if someday you find him to be a double amputee, just follow the smell of garlic and lemon to my kitchen.

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Don’t be overwhelmed.   The truth of the matter is that membership in USAT is way up over last year.  In addition, sanctioning of new races is also leading last year.  Participation in the Danskin events and early sign-up for the AARP series are both progressing rapidly.  

Meaningless without comparison to growth figures from 1999 to 2000.   I attribute this, in part,  to the excitement created by the Olympic triathlon’s success, especially as the opening event.

And what evidence do you offer to attach causality to your correlation, assuming you have the information lacking above to establish its significance in the first place?  For all you know, the increase in USAT membership is backlash of people getting involved to vote out the leadership that they feel overemphasized the Olympic inclusion in their priorities. I do not live in the IOC, ITU draft legal world at all. I am an age grouper just like others my age in this country.  I have stated publicly that age group draft legal racing will only happen in this country over my dead body. That’s still a promise I will keep.  You don’t remember that?  I thought so.

We shall see. You may be defending the beginning of the trend that will end up costing you either your credibility or your life.  If I were you I’d be more stridently seeking to avoid facing that choice, after having made such a proclamation.  Do you know how to boil a live frog, Ray?  How’s the temperature in the pot since the Olympics?  Oh, just a tiny bit warmer, eh? Nothing to be worried about?

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Don’t be overwhelmed.   The truth of the matter is that membership in USAT is way up over last year.  In addition, sanctioning of new races is also leading last year.  Participation in the Danskin events and early sign-up for the AARP series are both progressing rapidly.  I attribute this, in part,  to the excitement created by the Olympic triathlon’s success, especially as the opening event. Now to address the stuff you’ve been making up and posting here. Just because you’ve not spoken to anyone who has started triathlon as a result of the Olympic hoopla, doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening.  Just how many newbies have you found it in your heart to condescend to talk to? Not many?  I thought so. I do not live in the IOC, ITU draft legal world at all. I am an age grouper just like others my age in this country.  I have stated publicly that age group draft legal racing will only happen in this country over my dead body. That’s still a promise I will keep.  You don’t remember that?  I thought so. So, how’s your sunblock working?  When you crawl out into the bright light of day and are confronted with the truth, it might just toast you.  Don’t make this stuff up and post it here.  You’re not doing anyone any good. Ray

| | There you have it.  The absolute truth from a man who has his finger on the | pulse of world opinion and preference. | | Thanks | | Ray | | I’m overwelmed Ray.  BTW did you have an opinion or answer to Johnpgovol’s | question?  Perhaps you have a better idea as to "the pulse of world opinion and | preference" as it relates to olympic "triathlon"?  I doubt it, I imagine your | opinion is that of the tiny little IOC, ITU, wheel sucking world you live in, | but perhaps not.  What do you say? |

| | | | I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great | | sport | | a year after the Olympics. | | | | Has our sport grown?  For the better? | | | | I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for | the | | growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. | | | | Has this happened, or is it too early to tell? | | | | Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the | | olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be | | silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics. | Probobly a | | few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of | klutzy | | riders however. | | Tim | buaidh no bas

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There you have it.  The absolute truth from a man who has his finger on the pulse of world opinion and preference. Thanks Ray

| | I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great | sport | a year after the Olympics. | | Has our sport grown?  For the better? | | I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for the | growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. | | Has this happened, or is it too early to tell? | | Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the | olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be | silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics. Probobly a | few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of klutzy | riders however. | | | Tim | buaidh no bas

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I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great sport a year after the Olympics. Has our sport grown?  For the better?   I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for the growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. Has this happened, or is it too early to tell?

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I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great sport a year after the Olympics. Has our sport grown?  For the better?   I kept hearing that having triathlon in the Olympics would be great for the growth of the sport-for newcomers-and for sponsorship money. Has this happened, or is it too early to tell?

Do you know or have you met anyone who has joined our sport due to the olympics?  Me neither.  The sport has grown over the last year it would be silly to assume this had anything at all to do with the olympics.  Probobly a few people out there cheating (drafting) because they saw the packs of klutzy riders however. Tim buaidh no bas

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I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great sport a year after the Olympics.

I’m from Simon Whitfield’s home town and can say that the sport around here has become very popular from fifty year old codgers like me running my first tri next month right through to teenagers with Olympic dreams. It’s nice to see the kids taking such an interest.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m just curious as to what everyone thinks about the state of our great sport a year after the Olympics. I’m from Simon Whitfield’s home town and can say that the sport around here has become very popular from fifty year old codgers like me running my first tri next month right through to teenagers with Olympic dreams. It’s nice to see the kids taking such an interest.

Who is Simon Whitfield? Phil

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btw, is this really the hardest Iroman race? not that I think I should do it *laugh* Ro Tri Preston S.C.

I think Extremetri still has the race report for this year’s race in its archives. If you look at the pictures on the report, you will see one of the several switchbacks that are on that bike course. Ouch!

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A friend was looking for an entry form and he needed an address to contact them for info    thanks The official web site has only an electronic entry form – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I did the race race this year and I firmly believe that it was the hardest race I will ever do.  If you go prepare for wind like you have never experienced before along with very little flat ground on the bike and warm temps on the run. With that said I would recommend it to any and everyone.  Easily one of the greatest experiences of my triathlon career.  The swim takes place at Playa Blanca in Puerto del Carmen, the island’s main tourist location, and is two loops in fairly calm water of the Atlantic (no waves, but lots of wind chop). The bike course although difficult is magnificent, one loop around the entire island (a rarity in many of today’s multi-loop Ironman races).  The run is four loops along the coastal road in Puerto del Carmen with lots of spectators and activity. Their slogan "The Normal Limits Don’t Apply" really holds true. The people of Lanzarote and Club La Santa get very excited about the race and make the whole experience really wonderful. Hope this helps a bit.  The race web page has lots of information, www.ironmanlanzarote.com cheers, Todd You might also want to try their offical site: http://www.ironmanlanzarote.com/ btw, is this really the hardest Iroman race? not that I think I should do it *laugh* Ro Tri Preston S.C. any info req

– MZ

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any info req

Not quite sure what you’re looking for but most triathletes go there to train at Club La Santa http://www.clublasanta.co.uk/ (provisional address for info) Steve

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You might also want to try their offical site: http://www.ironmanlanzarote.com/ btw, is this really the hardest Iroman race? not that I think I should do it *laugh* Ro Tri Preston S.C. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any info req

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I did the race race this year and I firmly believe that it was the hardest race I will ever do.  If you go prepare for wind like you have never experienced before along with very little flat ground on the bike and warm temps on the run. With that said I would recommend it to any and everyone.  Easily one of the greatest experiences of my triathlon career.  The swim takes place at Playa Blanca in Puerto del Carmen, the island’s main tourist location, and is two loops in fairly calm water of the Atlantic (no waves, but lots of wind chop). The bike course although difficult is magnificent, one loop around the entire island (a rarity in many of today’s multi-loop Ironman races).  The run is four loops along the coastal road in Puerto del Carmen with lots of spectators and activity. Their slogan "The Normal Limits Don’t Apply" really holds true. The people of Lanzarote and Club La Santa get very excited about the race and make the whole experience really wonderful. Hope this helps a bit.  The race web page has lots of information, www.ironmanlanzarote.com cheers, Todd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You might also want to try their offical site: http://www.ironmanlanzarote.com/ btw, is this really the hardest Iroman race? not that I think I should do it *laugh* Ro Tri Preston S.C. any info req

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I love my Polar Protrainer and all, but I’m starting to get a rectangular abrasion right in on my sternum where the center part of the transmitter sits. Anybody else have this problem,

YES!!  I HATE it.  It’s been so bad this year that I’ve been outright refusing to wear my HRM when I run.  It doesn’t bother me when I ride, just when running.  The bouncing, you see. and have an idea how to fix it? I’d try the BodyGlide thing, but I’m afraid of gunking up the transmitter . . .

As well you should be.  When I used to try to lube the transmitter (SportsSlick) I usually wound up getting bad readings from the monitor. Very annoying. I’ve tried using a wide strip of first aid tape across the spot, and while this does prevent the transmitter itself from abrading the skin, the tape seems to transmit all the chafing to its edges.  So the abrasion isn’t as bad, but it covers a little wider area. Have also tried using a Compeed adhesive bandage, and that actually works well, except that the damned things just aren’t big enough.  And cinching the transmitter down tight only makes it more uncomfortable. The only real solution, I’m afraid, is to continue wearing the thing ’til it "toughens up" the skin on your sternum.  When I wore my HRM religiously, the chafing problem eventually dissipated.  I just couldn’t get myself to go through the "break in" period again when I started up training after the off season this year, though! Bleah.  When will they invent an HRM transmitter that doesn’t chafe?? — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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I love my Polar Protrainer and all, but I’m starting to get a rectangular abrasion right in on my sternum where the center part of the transmitter sits. Anybody else have this problem, and have an idea how to fix it? I’d try the BodyGlide thing, but I’m afraid of gunking up the transmitter . . . — TriathRon                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . )

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–On Wednesday, June 23, 1999, 12:13 AM -0400 Vineski I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. One note.  Afterwards, it’s always advisable to have a sleeve handy to mop up the remnants!

Oh, yeah.  My t-shirt is divided into zones: the bottom front is for nose and snotty hand wipes, the sleeves and neck are for sweat-off-the-face wipes.  I suspect the real reason those elity-looking types wear those cotton gloves in all sorts of weather is so they can wipe up snot with the draw of a finger under their nose.

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I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family.

It is good etiquette to look both ways before hoisting the snot aloft. An old running friend would consistently forget until I tripped him once on a slow trail run. I claimed I slid on the goober and lost my balance.  The sheepish grin on my face surpassed the "Oops, I’m sorry" but it has not happened since.   — Caveat Lector!

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Now THIS is a great thread! I find it easier to perform this task while running. I did it in the supermarket the other day… People didn’t care for it too much. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. It is good etiquette to look both ways before hoisting the snot aloft. An old running friend would consistently forget until I tripped him once on a slow trail run. I claimed I slid on the goober and lost my balance.  The sheepish grin on my face surpassed the "Oops, I’m sorry" but it has not happened since.   — Caveat Lector!

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the "paperless blow".  

You mean, "Boyscout Blow."

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the "paperless blow". You mean, "Boyscout Blow."

<mulls over tie-in to gay activists’ problems with that particular organization and takes a pass, weighing in instead with… And here, all along I thought it was a "farmer’s hankie!"

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Anyone seen the Adidas as featuring the "paperless blow"? -ssloth

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I never realized the"farmer’s hankie" was acceptable runner etiquette until I recently saw the Addidas ad.  Now I use it all the time, much to the disgust of my fellow runners and family. One note.  Afterwards, it’s always advisable to have a sleeve handy to mop up the remnants! Steve Vineski Potomac Runners

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone seen the Adidas as featuring the "paperless blow"? -ssloth

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I know, NOW they tell us they can work for snoring.  All  those nights I slept on the couch,,,,,  I kicked the man out eventually… Snoring=grounds for divorce. Just kidding!!.         Laurie

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Kris…   I have narrow nasal passages and simply CANNOT inhale exclusively through my nose when I run or cycle.  I also tend to loosen lots of "stuff" in my sinuses while exercising, particularly when I’m pushing it. Without a doubt, the most helpful thing I have learned to do **warning, possibility of gross visual image ahead** is the "paperless blow".  Cover right nostrel, head turned far to the left, and blow — HARD.  Repeat on the other side, all while staying in stride or hammering the bike…  obviously inappropriate for the gym and running in tight groups  :)    

And it’s effective against bike drafters in a triathlon, too.  <g Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

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Thanks. I didn’t know there was any use for them. I’ll give them to my wife immediatly. -ssoth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

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Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

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Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

The only thing I’ve heard they’re really good for is snoring, seriously.   And this works in just a few snorers at that.    David "IndyRunr"

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the unmitigated audacity to write: Thanks. I didn’t know there was any use for them. I’ll give them to my wife immediatly. -ssoth They work great for when I cut my legs shaving,  My legs can "breathe right" while their healing.  Sorry,  could not resist. Laurie

        My wife wears them to bed. They do limit snoring. I used to lie awake while she snorted and wheezed if I did not get to sleep first.  The only rest I used to get is when she sucked all the air out of the room so I passed out.         Ken K. "Living for the Runner’s High"

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unmitigated audacity to write: Does anyone recomment the use of Breathe Right nasal strips for other physical activity, such as weight training, jogging or walking?

        I have tried them for running and cycling and have seen no advantage. Of course I never had any real problem with getting enough air in and out in the first place. Maybe someone with a nasal problem would find them advantageous.         Ken K. "Living for the Runner’s High"

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I swear by them I have been using them for about 2 1/2 years now would not run without it. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

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I agree with respiration not being the limiting factor (lets drag out the olympic swimmer who won a medal and only had one lung – don’t remember the name, the year, or anything worthwhile <g). And Phil Squire mentioned a study that essentially said they were placebo. However (you knew there had to be one of those didn’t ya), I have a partially deviated septum and find breathing through the nose difficult. Anybody have an idea whether these strips would help me (in the future, right now respiration is the least of my limiting factors <g)? Any studies on those with similar problems to mine? Thanks, Kris Selser

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Kris…   I have narrow nasal passages and simply CANNOT inhale exclusively through my nose when I run or cycle.  I also tend to loosen lots of "stuff" in my sinuses while exercising, particularly when I’m pushing it. Without a doubt, the most helpful thing I have learned to do **warning, possibility of gross visual image ahead** is the "paperless blow".  Cover right nostrel, head turned far to the left, and blow — HARD.  Repeat on the other side, all while staying in stride or hammering the bike…  obviously inappropriate for the gym and running in tight groups  :)    Tough to do at first – both psychologically and physically, but definitely a skill worth mastering. — Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with respiration not being the limiting factor (lets drag out the olympic swimmer who won a medal and only had one lung – don’t remember the name, the year, or anything worthwhile <g). And Phil Squire mentioned a study that essentially said they were placebo. However (you knew there had to be one of those didn’t ya), I have a partially deviated septum and find breathing through the nose difficult. Anybody have an idea whether these strips would help me (in the future, right now respiration is the least of my limiting factors <g)? Any studies on those with similar problems to mine? Thanks, Kris Selser

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Placebo. Most people breath througg both nose  and mouth while doing a decent effort. And respiration is nor a limiting factor  in endurance sports – it’s  circulatory system. — regards Josef zero.spam_m8639.abc.se_zero.spam To mail please remove "_zero.spam_"

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Well, Ronaldo DaCosta rolled a 2:06:05 marathon and we all know the reason – Breathe Right Nasal Strips! Ben

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Hi everyone,  Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

I don’t know if they work for running but I saw some drivers in the Indy 500 wearing them. Go figure. D.J. " People who get paid to wear them would not lie"   (IRONKID)

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I used them to bandage a cut on my nose – worked pretty good.  I wouldn’t recommend them for much else.

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Saw a study, which I can’t find, which said that they have no measurable effect of physical performance. Of course there is the small chance of a placebo effect. Phil

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Hi everyone,  Has anyone ever tried these before? Are they beneficial? Bernard

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Hey John! We specialize in coaching and training endurance athletes.  Check out our website at www.multisporttraining.com There are lots of excellent books out there that can help you; do an internet search on "anaerobic threshold training," "endurance training," or "triathlon training" to view some options. If you are interested in a more interactive approach (actually having a coach), you should be able to get an idea of what we have to offer on our website. Good luck; let us know if we can be of further assistance! Jim Chubon

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Thanks. Anyone tried PC-Coach? John.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim). See the "hulaman" website in my sig file below. Also, there are several good books out there.  Look for "Swim, Bike, Run" and "Triathlon 101". Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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PC-Coach – Is it good? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Anyone tried PC-Coach? John. Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim). See the "hulaman" website in my sig file below. Also, there are several good books out there.  Look for "Swim, Bike, Run" and "Triathlon 101". Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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No idea, that is what I was trying to find out!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PC-Coach – Is it good? Thanks. Anyone tried PC-Coach? John. Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim). See the "hulaman" website in my sig file below. Also, there are several good books out there.  Look for "Swim, Bike, Run" and "Triathlon 101". Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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        Jor Friel has a book as does Sleamaker and Browning among others. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim). Any recommended books/software? Thanks!!

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Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim).

See the "hulaman" website in my sig file below. Also, there are several good books out there.  Look for "Swim, Bike, Run" and "Triathlon 101". Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Novice requires help! Just starting triathlon (from a cycling background) and wanting to know how do I begin to train? Do I train 1 discipline per day?  Do I structure it like the cycling i.e. base, build, peak, recover? Do I concentrate more time on my weaker discipline (the swim). Any recommended books/software? Thanks!!

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A couple of points, 1.  I think that Shimano is upgrading their 105 components to 9spd next year. If so it might be desirable to get the 800 model instead of the 600. 2.  The CADD3 frames (and I assume CADD4) have a better feel than the previous versions and are not quite as hard on you.  IE: a 94 model. 3.  Before you switch out your STI levers consider how you will be using the bike.  If you intend to ride it without using the Aero Bars you might want to hold on to it. 4.  Good luck trying to switch out anything.  I was told by Cannondale that the components could not be switched.  I wanted to get a tubular version of the tire instead of clinchers.  Despite the fact that the cost was the same they refused to do this.  The local bike shop can swith things out for you but since it will cost them you can figure that they will pass this cost onto you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)     2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. (No need for a forward position post, I think the Control Tech model would be perfect.)     4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.(I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.     Anyway, good luck shopping, and if you have any other questions you can email me. Chris To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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Man… I’ve been seeing this post up for a LONG while…  I’m very surprised that you haven’t sold it yet, its a real steal.  Its a shame that I bought my new Cannondale R200 just one week before I noticed this great deal!! Every time I see this post I think, "Damnit!! If only I had waited!!"  Oh well… good luck and I hope you sell it. No… that’s not true.  I hope you don’t sell it and start triathlons again!!  You’ve got the hardware, now all you need to do is train!!  Believe me… its more fun than you can imagine!!! – Salvador Santolucito III – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are interested in a Cannondale tri-bike I’ve got one for sale. Its a 56cm R700, this was before cannondale came out with the multi-sport models. It does have 650c wheels and I think the seat tube angle is 75 degrees. It has 105 components like the multisport 800 and grip shift on the scott aero bars.  It is in great shape. Except for one tiny, hardly noticable dent in the top tube the bike looks like new. I bought it because I thought I would start triathlons, but I decided to just stick with road racing, so it has very little miles on it. This bike rides very nice and is light weight, definatly beats the multisport 600. I’m asking $700, let me know if your interested. Chris

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: I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks : like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey : aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in : general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or : family.  Any takers? You might want to check into Bicycling Magazine. Their June and July issues looked at alumin[i]um bikes, including the C 600. You can read their comparative review at:          www.bicyclist.com/road_test/9807/alum/alum.html Think you’ll find it helpful — and good luck with the big purchase. Madeleine "tri bikes are a *little* pricey?" Page

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If you are interested in a Cannondale tri-bike I’ve got one for sale. Its a 56cm R700, this was before cannondale came out with the multi-sport models. It does have 650c wheels and I think the seat tube angle is 75 degrees. It has 105 components like the multisport 800 and grip shift on the scott aero bars.  It is in great shape. Except for one tiny, hardly noticable dent in the top tube the bike looks like new. I bought it because I thought I would start triathlons, but I decided to just stick with road racing, so it has very little miles on it. This bike rides very nice and is light weight, definatly beats the multisport 600. I’m asking $700, let me know if your interested. Chris

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Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)<<

Absolutely useless is a pretty strong term. Some people, including top pros,  like the STI shifting. With a 75-degree seat angle, the drop bar/STI  position is OK for most riders. If you are sized right and positioned correctly in the aero position, however, your best position is the aero position, followed by the brake hood position. The down on the drop bars position is not as good. Not a bad idea to switch to bar-end shifting with Diacompe brake levers, but it is very hard to find any 8-speed bar-end shifters these days. The MS-600 is 8-speed.  2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.<<

I agree with that. The low-end Profile Century bars that come with the MS-600 are not very good–  Junk. You can improve your position by using Syntace or Profile Split Seconds.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. <<<

75 degrees is OK for many people. So is 78.  Some people like 73. All subject to endless debate. Depending on how you fit on this particular bike, a Control Tech post turned around forward can help to dial in an ideal position, others are just fine on the Cannondale post. I ride a Cannondale MS-1000 which is the same 26-inch wheel, Cad 3 frame and the Control Tech post works well for me. The Cannondale tri bikes have longish top tubes compared to bikes like QR or Felt. The Control Tech can fix that for some people without compromising the handling. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. <<<

You really only need to push a seat forward on the rails to dial in your position a little bit.    4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)

The MS-600 comes  with Look pedals. The MS-1000, which as the Ultegra 9-speed group, does not.     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)

It also comes in a dark purple (Grape). If the shop can get touch-up paint. Great. But I’ve had good luck finding inexpensive and very close-to-matching colors at auto parts shops     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.<<<

The 1997 Cannondale MS-600 and 1000 are both top-end Cad-3 frames and come with an aluminum aero fork. The same fork as the QR Illuminero, standard on last year’s QR Tequilo. (QR uses a really nice carbon fork, Carbonero, this year.) (I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.<<

The Kestel-made Slice fork (very nice) was available on the Cannondale R-4000 and 1000 road bikes earlier this year. I don’t think you can get them now on the new models. — Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA Oceanside, CA

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To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.

Neal, I have ridden an R700 since I purchased it new in 94.  It was then Cannondale’s low-end multisport bike with 650 wheels.  It is a bit different from the current MS600 but similar enough that my experience may be of some worth to you. I ride about 200-300 miles a week (mostly on the R700) and race often (always on the R700).  Originally, I found the ride to be "obstinantly harsh."  Since then, I have added Spinergy wheels which add significant flexibility/cushioning on rough roads. These wheels are great training and racing wheels: never need trueing and are somewhat aerodynamic.   This year, I had a QR Carbonaero fork installed which also added some cushioning.   I would not think of going on long rides without the Carbonaero fork or the Spineregys. I have upgraded the original Shimano 105 drive train as it wore out; the chain rings, rear cogs, crank arms, and bottom bracket were replaced with Dura Ace and the derailleures with Ultegra. I had some problems in the first few months with the arm rests coming loose on the Profile aerobars and had to install some replacement parts but those replacements have served well since then.   All in all, a good bike that can race with the best of them. Good Luck. Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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Neal,     I have the 97 Cannondale MS 800. I really like the bike, but do have a few suggestions if you are looking at the 98 MS 600 (The two bikes are basically the same, the 600 using RX100 components while the MS 800 uses 105. From what I have seen, these components are exactly the same in quality and weight, but the 105s have a better finish.)     1. The STI shifters are absolutely useless on this type of bike unless you live in an extremely hilly area. It took me about two months and one race to change to Dia-Compe 188 brake levers and  bar-end shifters. The 188s work great, and the bar-ends shift much better. A good bike shop should exchange these for you without charging you. (the levers run about $20 and the shifters $50 – 70. STI levers start at around $120)     2. I still have my Profile Air-Strykes, but would much rather have either the Syntace C2s or Streamliners. They both cost about the same, so see if you can get them exchanged before you buy. In my opinion it would be worth a small upgrade fee for this.( The C2s are definitely my next upgrade, but now that they are going to cost me $100+ instead of a small charge when I gought the bike.     3. Try to get a different seat post that offers a more forward position. The seat tube angle is only75 degrees on these bikes. I have had to push the seat all the way forward on the clamp, and I still am not sure if it is far enough. (No need for a forward position post, I think the Control Tech model would be perfect.)     4. My bike didn’t come with pedals, I should have had those included in the deal, but was to wrapped up in new bike fever to think straight. Try to get a good deal on them as part of the package.( My preference is Look style, but thats what I learned to ride on)     5. Make the bike shop throw in a small bottle of touch-up paint. I think the MS 600 comes in Pea Green and I am almost sure you won’t be able to find that color next year. ( Just try and find Tangerine Orange now)     As a side note, you might want to look into the Fuji Aloha. It is also aluminum, but has better components (105), already has the brake levers mentioned, front wheel is radially laced, and uses Profile Swiftshift (same effect as having bar-ends). All for $1199 list. The downside is the fork is aluminum, while the C’dale comes with  a carbon fiber.(I think I read Kestrel makes the fork for them). I haven’t even seen one yet, but its definitely an option I would look into if I were shopping now.     Anyway, good luck shopping, and if you have any other questions you can email me. Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To whom it may concern: I am a novice triathlete who has competed in enough events to know that I like it!  So, I’m going to do a fairly serious bike upgrade. I’m looking at the Cannondale Multi-sport 600 w/ 650c wheels which looks like a pretty good bike for the money (these tri bikes are a little pricey aren’t they?).  I was looking for advice about the Cannondale brand in general and if anyone has any experience with this particular model or family.  Any takers? Thanks in advance.  You may see me in an upcoming event if you look over your shoulder!  I’ll be the guy right in front of the truck picking up the cones! Neal Ford

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New to the usenet boards.  Can someone point me toward a newsgroup geared to triathlons?  How about web sites?  Any posts or email much

appreciated. Rec.Sport.Triathlon newsgroup…good luck! Jeanette Howard

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New to the usenet boards.  Can someone point me toward a newsgroup geared to triathlons?  How about web sites?  Any posts or email much appreciated. Thanks. John

Jason’s Triathlon Web Site http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~005963m/jay_homepage.html — QQQQ=Betty=QQQQ Smiles increase your face value.

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New to the usenet boards.  Can someone point me toward a newsgroup geared to triathlons?  How about web sites?  Any posts or email much

appreciated. rec.sport.triathlon Andy

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New to the usenet boards.  Can someone point me toward a newsgroup geared to triathlons?  How about web sites?  Any posts or email much appreciated. Thanks. John

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are from.  Certainly you should have Finnish, French, German and I think there is someone from Spain also.  Definitely we must exclude

Definetely include Finnish!!!! Pauli Kiuru rules!!!!!

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Great idea. Let’s get going. Race season is upon us. Andrew Peabody Miami

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I suggest we put "SWIM, BIKE, RUN" in 3 or 4 different languages on the back.  Personally, I think it would be cool NOT to include an English translation on the back.  What do others think?

What a good idea!  Why not as many languages as countries having posters here?  Just ask those who have asked to be included where they are from.  Certainly you should have Finnish, French, German and I think there is someone from Spain also.  Definitely we must exclude JJ’s language.  (JJ: if it were not for the fact that you are one of the most valued contributors to r.s.t. you probably would have been hung and quartered by the same people who just tapped your hand with a ruler.  But then, you knew that ahead of time.  I for one admire your courage to say what was bound to be controversial. R) Ruth Kazez

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The following is an excerpt from an email I received from fellow RSTer, Tony Sako… There is a company called RST that makes suspension forks for mtn bikes, and to add to the confusion, in years past Reebok and Scott Tinley have had team Reebok-Scott Tinley (RST), which amyone could join.

I’m really glad Tony pointed this out! With this in mind, we should probably consider spelling r.s.t. out in the front. So this would be either   Team rec.sport.triathlon   rec.sport.triathlon RACING Actually, the graphics that most people voted for captured this idea. (Currently, the voting is a dead heat between 3, 4, 5, & 6)  I suggested to QRman that we take a couple of the "popular" designs to the silk-screenist and find out the cost and do-ablility of each. As far as the rear logo goes, there were so many different *really good* suggestions ( 50) that there wasn’t a consensus.  There was a lot of people who like the foreign language idea.  The problem with many foreign languages (at least germanic) is that when a new word is invented, like "triathlon", they just adopt it as is.  So the challenge is to find older words that have different translations. I suggest we put "SWIM, BIKE, RUN" in 3 or 4 different languages on the back.  Personally, I think it would be cool NOT to include an English translation on the back.  What do others think? Pat    W.Patrick Brug, Ph.D.  _-           -_    Los Alamos National Lab -__       __-                                       /    cis:      72410,3372        /  

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I hate when people call running boring.  I get that comment more then anything Thanks for the time, Eric —       —    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo

Hey Eric, I completely agree…I’ve run for over 20 years (starting in AAU at age 12) and I’ve heard the "running is boring" commment more times than I care to remember…I find that most people who say that to me haven’t stuck out their choice of workout for very long (a couple of months maybe)…they can’t believe I would prefer to run over other activities… Don’t get me wrong I do other things (basketball, softball, golf, etc.) but I prefer running for maximum results and body satisfaction… Well, that’s all I had, Jean

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Eric J. Lorenzo writes: I hate when people call running boring.  I get that comment more then anything from people who either 1) lift or 2) swim.  Look who’s talking.  First of all, running(if you run outside), the scenery is different every day, and you’re outside enjoying good ‘ol mother nature and her fresh air.

The only part of running that I have found boring is doing solo runs of 15+ miles.  Talk about mind-numbing!  I’d _almost_ rather swim or lift.

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The only part of running that I have found boring is doing solo runs of 15+ miles.  Talk about mind-numbing!  I’d _almost_ rather swim or

lift.

Ahh!! But that’s the point!  I can see you have not been biten by the ultra-bug.  Good for you! I, unfortunately, delight in taking off with my water bottles strapped to my back for 7 or 8 hours at a stretch and covering 35-50 miles.  By the time I get home, there’s nothing left in my head but stale air.  Not that there’s anything else there to start with. — Suzanne Roat                            Phone:  (510) 242-5313 Voice Chevron Research and Technology Company         (510) 242-4647 FAX Richmond, CA  94802-0627

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Looks like I have tendonitis, so I haven’t been running for 2 months now.  :-( Anyway, other than laying off it, and icing the ankle, does anyone else know what I can do to heal faster?

 just a little something, if I understand it you mean with "tendonitis" "tendinit", which is an inflamation in a tendon. In that case you should rest and make sure it’s *warm*, not cold…  your local doctor can give you shots of heparin, give you some inflamation inhibiting medicine or put you in a tournique…  Department of Physics, University of Stockholm — Sweden (Northern Europe)

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I, unfortunately, delight in taking off with my water bottles strapped to my back for 7 or 8 hours at a stretch and covering 35-50 miles.  By the time I get home, there’s nothing left in my head but stale air.  Not that there’s anything else there to start with. — Suzanne Roat                                Phone:  (510) 242-5313 Voice Chevron Research and Technology Company             (510) 242-4647 FAX Richmond, CA  94802-0627

I know this lady and will definitely attest to the condition of her head.  Of course, she’s not chopped liver in trail ultras, as a few age group trophies and a second woman at the World’s Toughest Triathlon will attest.   Personally, I find no trouble at all in doing long solo runs in training, and of course, in an ultra, you often find yourself running alone for long stretches.  (But then you do have aid station people to talk to from time to time.)  I have myself run the Western States 100 without crew and without pacer, so that I was running for about 24 hours pretty much by myself.  I didn’t have any trouble staying away from boredom, though, although  running alone through a forest in the early hours of the morning  wi th only a flashlight for company can get a little wierd – the shadows keep jumping around and you can imagine all kinds of things…… Martin

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Running boring??  Not!! I started my athletic career at the age of 1 with swimming.  I swam year round competitively from age 4 to 15 and 16 to 18.  I gave it up for running when I went to college because I was bored to tears swimming back and forth. I’ve yet to get bored with running.  Even if I run the same routes everyday for several months, the weather is always different, the people are always different, etc., etc. Running is NOT boring.  But then I’m preaching to the choir aren’t I? Just my personal experience. — Suzanne Roat                            Phone:  (510) 242-5313 Voice Chevron Research and Technology Company         (510) 242-4647 FAX Richmond, CA  94802-0627

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: I hate when people call running boring.  I get that comment more then anything : from people who either 1) lift or 2) swim.  Look who’s talking.  First of all, : running(if you run outside), the scenery is different every day, and you’re : outside enjoying good ‘ol mother nature and her fresh air. : : Lifting involves spending about an hour and a 1/2 sitting in an indoor gym : lifting metal breathing stale air. Some lifters I know have spent 5 hours in : the gym!  Swimmers swim god knows how many laps back and forth to workout. : : I’m not bashing lifting or swimming in either way as they are excellent : workouts in them selves.  I just needed to vent the urge to slap people when : they have the notion to call running boring! :^) : : Thanks for the time, : Eric : : — :        –    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo

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I hate when people call running boring.  I get that comment more then anything from people who either 1) lift or 2) swim.  Look who’s talking.  First of all, running(if you run outside), the scenery is different every day, and you’re outside enjoying good ‘ol mother nature and her fresh air. Lifting involves spending about an hour and a 1/2 sitting in an indoor gym lifting metal breathing stale air. Some lifters I know have spent 5 hours in the gym!  Swimmers swim god knows how many laps back and forth to workout. I’m not bashing lifting or swimming in either way as they are excellent workouts in them selves.  I just needed to vent the urge to slap people when they have the notion to call running boring! :^) Thanks for the time, Eric —        –    O   The race is not always              Eric J. Lorenzo

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