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Hi, Of course exercise of any kind is always a good idea but I think we’ve found something better.  Nothing works if your metabolism is screwed up. My wife is over 50 also and has tried lots of things over the years including exorcise with no success.  Recently, our company came out with a new enzyme diet drink and everyone we heard from was raving about it so she decided to give if a try.  Guess what?  It works!!!!  It’s a whole food so you can actually live on it, tastes good, gets your metabolism working again and the weight comes off. If you’d like to know more, visit our site at http://www.ecoquest.com/apsna and click on "The Enzyme Diet" link under New Products.  So far, we have others using it now too and everyone is losing weight and eating anything they want!  If you’d like to speak with my wife, Vivian, call us toll free at 888-801-4482.  She’ll be happy to share her experiences with you. Sincerely, Jim Bogul … Leadership Development Bogul Air & Water Purification / 4airfix Hudson, FL 34667 888-801-4482 727-819-2877 fax 208-485-4618 Our Company and Products: http://www.freshairliving.com/bogul (password is "guest") http://www.ecoquest.com/apsna

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

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What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?  

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What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

I recently read that treadmills are the most efficient – but that may only be if you plan to do some jogging/running.  If you have access to both, it’s probably better to vary your routine and do both.  If you’re looking to buy something, get what you’ll actually use.  I also use an elliptical with the treadmill and the bike and I avoid the stairmaster because I hate it. I find the treadmill the least boring because I can really vary the speed and incline and do a variety of workouts.  I really don’t like the treadmill, but I like to run and I’m just biding time until it’s safe to go outdoors again. I am just one state east from you, far north, and inbound because the recent warming (above freezing) during the day plus rain has turned our snow into ice.  This means no XC skiing or snowshoeing yet and the only ice skating I like requires a big stick, a puck, and someone to knock over. The temps are in the single digits for the next week or so along with 20 mph winds to make it feel below 0 and there is no real snow predicted.  Get out of the house and drive to the gym unless the roads are really crappy!  Even then, I’m following the plow  If I stay in the house too much I get the ole "cabin fever" which leads to other bad habits like too much snacking, drinking, and sleeping.  Good luck! Jenn

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What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle?

Have you looked into ellipticals? The motion is a cross between cycling and walking. Some come with upper body exercisers too, similar to rowing. You could watch your movies, and by dialing the resistance control the calorie burn rate. p.

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In 1995 when I lost a lot of weight I used an excercise bike for 20 minutes every day, but it wasn’t the plain kind.  It was one of those with a fan for a wheel and the handle bars that moved, too.  That way I got a full-body workout, legs AND arms, and it really worked great. Avonleadragon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice? For me it’s hard to beat the Nordic Track Pro.  Elliptical trainers cause my foot to fall asleep (ha!) and if you are going to walk or run, you might as well get the correct, breathable clothing for your climate and go outside. Those Nordic Tracks can be had on ebay for under $150 plus shipping.  Look for one that has new looking arm cords… dirt (dust) on the wood doesn’t necessarily mean it’s been used a lot IMO, the "Pro" model represents the best value with standard, straightforward features.  There is a learning curve in getting used to the skiing skill but it is learned by the 3rd session. — Steve (Reply address has been changed to protect the innocent)

We have a ski machine that has poles instead of cords and I love it.  I did 25 minutes on it just about an hour ago and according to http://www.caloriesperhour.com/  I burned 261 calories.  I worked up quite a sweat.  We paid about $100 for it several years ago at Play It Again Sports. I don’t remember having any problems learning to use it. Tonia

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What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

For me it’s hard to beat the Nordic Track Pro.  Elliptical trainers cause my foot to fall asleep (ha!) and if you are going to walk or run, you might as well get the correct, breathable clothing for your climate and go outside. Those Nordic Tracks can be had on ebay for under $150 plus shipping.  Look for one that has new looking arm cords… dirt (dust) on the wood doesn’t necessarily mean it’s been used a lot IMO, the "Pro" model represents the best value with standard, straightforward features.  There is a learning curve in getting used to the skiing skill but it is learned by the 3rd session. — Steve (Reply address has been changed to protect the innocent)

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What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals?

My personal feeling is that I get a much better workout standing and carrying my own body weight (vs. sitting down) — so I would vote for the treadmill. I love mine (and only fell once in 7 years — and that was this year when I was doing something really stupid on it — so you should be OK if you don’t try to use a Dustbuster to dust behind the treadmill while you’re standing on it and the belt is running Mary M 325-150-145

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I read the ingredient list of the crap that you mentioned, there are mostly soy protein and mostly sugar and other carb sweeteners, plus a bunch of other chemical stuff. Certainly I would stay far away from your junk.

He states his wife has been using this product to lose weight.  If that’s her picture on the website it appears it hasn’t been working for her.  Many in the newsgroup who are in the same age group (50)  seem to be reaping bigger benefits from the old "eat less, exercise more" method. Beverly ps – be sure you delete the spammers website next time <g . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ingredients: Soy Protein (non-GMO), Rice Syrup Solids, Basmati Rice Bran, Inulin, Fructose, Flaxseed, Safflower Oil Powder, Lecithin, Natural French Vanilla Flavor, Guar Gum, Calcium Amino Acid Chelate**, Natural Flavor, Vegetarian Yeast, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate**, Carrot Powder, Sweet Potato Powder, Stevia, USP Sodium Chloride, Acerola Cherry and Rosehips Extract, Infinity2 Proprietary Enzyme Blend (amylase, protease, CereCalase, Isolase, cellulase, lipase, alpha-galactosidase), GlutaMagAAC (Glutamine-Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate)*, Shiitake Mushroom Powder, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate**, Copper Amino Acid Chelate**, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate**, Iron Amino Acid Chelate**, Sea Kelp, Selenium Amino Acid Complex**, Dunaliella salina Extract, Marigold Extract (lutein), Molybdenum Amino Acid Chelate**, and Chromium Amino Acid/Nicotinate Chelate**. Hi, Of course exercise of any kind is always a good idea but I think we’ve found something better.  Nothing works if your metabolism is screwed up. My wife is over 50 also and has tried lots of things over the years including exorcise with no success.  Recently, our company came out with a new enzyme diet drink and everyone we heard from was raving about it so she decided to give if a try.  Guess what?  It works!!!!  It’s a whole food so you can actually live on it, tastes good, gets your metabolism working again and the weight comes off.

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Hello Beowulf,   I have a treadmill and a stair climber in my home.  We never use the treadmill and I use the stair climber daily.  I can tell you that a lot of folks don’t like the stair climber because it’s not a natural motion like walking is.  My experience is that you burn more calories on a stair climber than a treadmill.  Your going to get different answers from different folks, but I like a stair climber also called a stair master.  I’m able to workout for an hour at a time and get a good sweat going as well.  My calorie counter is usually between 750 to 1000 calories when I finish.   The elliptical exercise equipment is one I’ve never tried, but would like to one day.  To me it’s like a stair climber and a treadmill built in one machine. and looks like it would produce more calories burned compared to a treadmill.   I hope you find what’s best for you and your goals. Paul 300/236/175

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

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The Elliptical is my favorite and stains my knees allot less then treadmill or bike. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At the gym, I use the recumbent bike, treadmill and elliptical.  I switch out the cardio machines just for variety.  For me, the elliptical hurts my knees least, the bike 2nd least and the treadmill the most.  I use the precor elliptical, lifecycle bike and lifestep treadmill.  I walk at an incline of 5-8% on the treadmill, at a speed of 3.3-3.6.  If I walk faster then that, the impact hurts.  I do the bike at level 5-10 on the hill mode. I have some nerve damage in my left knee, so I can’t overwork it. On all of the machines, I make sure that I keep my heart rate in the fat burning 70% range for optimal results.  For my age, that is 121-128 or so. All of the machines I use have the handle bar pulse monitors. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

I use the elliptical more when my knee is bothering me or lately because I have a sinus infection and running gives me a major headache.  I can stay steady for at least an hour at level 10-12 (I go up and down every 5 minutes), but going backwards really puts a strain on my quads – though I try to do 2 minutes backward every 10 minutes.  I haven’t been doing much on the bike lately since I like the elliptical more.  I was thinking of getting one of those polar heart monitors since all of the machines where I go can use them.  Only the treadmill has the HR monitor in the handlebar and you can’t or shouldn’t grab it when you’re running 6-7 mph. Walking on the treadmill I’ve been doing a "rolling hills" workout I got from a magazine.  It’s interesting in that you change the incline and speed every 2 minutes mostly staying in the 3.7-3.9 mph range and 5-8% incline. It’s nice on my non-running days when the elliptical is busy, but frustrating nonetheless because I still don’t care for walking and prefer to run . Jenn

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For me it’s hard to beat the Nordic Track Pro. IMO, the "Pro" model represents the best value with standard, straightforward features.  There is a learning curve in getting used to

I agree with this, and so does Consumer Reports.  A NordicTrack is great value for the money: an excellent NordicTrack is less money than a crappy Treadmill, for example.  It folds up, it’s challenging and hard work and great exercise.  I’ve used one for a dozen years.  (I keep trading up models.) I also have a step bench and a whole bunch of videos and DVDs from www.collagevideo.com that I use for cross-training in the winter. At the gym I often do a mini-triathalon on the recumbant bike, Concept II rowing machine and the elliptical cross-trainer on days when I’m not running.  I don’t like the bike or the rowing machine enough to make them my regular exercise, though. Dally

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice? For me it’s hard to beat the Nordic Track Pro. IMO, the "Pro" model represents the best value with standard, straightforward features.  There is a learning curve in getting used to the skiing skill but it is learned by the 3rd session. We have a ski machine that has poles instead of cords and I love it.  I did 25 minutes on it just about an hour ago and according to http://www.caloriesperhour.com/  I burned 261 calories.  I worked up quite a sweat.  We paid about $100 for it several years ago at Play It Again Sports. I don’t remember having any problems learning to use it.

There’s something about that "push off" motion of a skier that satisfies. Ski machines are much like skating or running.  Closer to running than eliptical trainers are, in my opinion. — Steve (Reply address has been changed to protect the innocent

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Ouch!  did you at least get the dust cleaned up before you fell?  :) — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? My personal feeling is that I get a much better workout standing and carrying my own body weight (vs. sitting down) — so I would vote for the treadmill. I love mine (and only fell once in 7 years — and that was this year when I was doing something really stupid on it — so you should be OK if you don’t try to use a Dustbuster to dust behind the treadmill while you’re standing on it and the belt is running Mary M 325-150-145

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I can’t go backwards on the elliptical at all… it kills my knee!  I did it that way when I first started using it a month or so ago, too painful! Maybe if I continue to lose weight and get into better shape, I will be able to do higher impact exercises.  I am content at this point with what I am doing and I do have pretty good work outs. I got DH a lifewise heart rate monitor for xmas and he loves it.  They sell them at Radio Shack. 284/221/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At the gym, I use the recumbent bike, treadmill and elliptical.  I switch out the cardio machines just for variety.  For me, the elliptical hurts my knees least, the bike 2nd least and the treadmill the most.  I use the precor elliptical, lifecycle bike and lifestep treadmill.  I walk at an incline of 5-8% on the treadmill, at a speed of 3.3-3.6.  If I walk faster then that, the impact hurts.  I do the bike at level 5-10 on the hill mode. I have some nerve damage in my left knee, so I can’t overwork it. On all of the machines, I make sure that I keep my heart rate in the fat burning 70% range for optimal results.  For my age, that is 121-128 or so. All of the machines I use have the handle bar pulse monitors. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow I use the elliptical more when my knee is bothering me or lately because I have a sinus infection and running gives me a major headache.  I can stay steady for at least an hour at level 10-12 (I go up and down every 5 minutes), but going backwards really puts a strain on my quads – though I try to do 2 minutes backward every 10 minutes.  I haven’t been doing much on the bike lately since I like the elliptical more.  I was thinking of getting one of those polar heart monitors since all of the machines where I go can use them.  Only the treadmill has the HR monitor in the handlebar and you can’t or shouldn’t grab it when you’re running 6-7 mph. Walking on the treadmill I’ve been doing a "rolling hills" workout I got from a magazine.  It’s interesting in that you change the incline and speed every 2 minutes mostly staying in the 3.7-3.9 mph range and 5-8% incline. It’s nice on my non-running days when the elliptical is busy, but frustrating nonetheless because I still don’t care for walking and prefer to run . Jenn

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I’m 100% with you there.  I like the elliptical machine a lot and for me it is very low impact.  I bring a nice mix of music and I’m off!  :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Elliptical is my favorite and stains my knees allot less then treadmill or bike. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? Have you looked into ellipticals? The motion is a cross between cycling and walking. Some come with upper body exercisers too, similar to rowing. You could watch your movies, and by dialing the resistance control the calorie burn rate. p.

– jmk in NC

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Which do you enjoy more?  Do you already have a treadmill and/or stationary bike?  If you have them both, I’d say mix it up, otherwise, I would say do whichever you enjoy more.  It’ll be easier to spend more time doing it that way  If you spend more time exercising, it doesn’t matter which burns more calories per hour. What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?  

– jmk in NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? My personal feeling is that I get a much better workout standing and carrying my own body weight (vs. sitting down) — so I would vote for the treadmill. I love mine (and only fell once in 7 years — and that was this year when I was doing something really stupid on it — so you should be OK if you don’t try to use a Dustbuster to dust behind the treadmill while you’re standing on it and the belt is running Mary M 325-150-145

LOL Mary!  That beats my leaning forward to read the next setting from my list and sorta just stopping – though the belt was still going.  I have my workouts on paper but apparently I need to rewrite them larger or wear my reading glasses during my workout. Jenn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? My personal feeling is that I get a much better workout standing and carrying my own body weight (vs. sitting down) — so I would vote for the treadmill. I love mine (and only fell once in 7 years — and that was this year when I was doing something really stupid on it — so you should be OK if you don’t try to use a Dustbuster to dust behind the treadmill while you’re standing on it and the belt is running Mary M 325-150-145

Some types of multi-tasking should never be tried <g   Hope you didn’t hurt yourself. Beverly

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The Elliptical is my favorite and stains my knees allot less then treadmill or bike.

I haven’t come across the knee-staining problem before…. But that is an excellent point. My knees have logged more than enough use/abuse so that they couldn’t handle much more. The circular (or in this case oval) motion involves virtually no shock and, I find, actually helps build them up. pb

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At the gym, I use the recumbent bike, treadmill and elliptical.  I switch out the cardio machines just for variety.  For me, the elliptical hurts my knees least, the bike 2nd least and the treadmill the most.  I use the precor elliptical, lifecycle bike and lifestep treadmill.  I walk at an incline of 5-8% on the treadmill, at a speed of 3.3-3.6.  If I walk faster then that, the impact hurts.  I do the bike at level 5-10 on the hill mode. I have some nerve damage in my left knee, so I can’t overwork it. On all of the machines, I make sure that I keep my heart rate in the fat burning 70% range for optimal results.  For my age, that is 121-128 or so. All of the machines I use have the handle bar pulse monitors. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Elliptical is my favorite and stains my knees allot less then treadmill or bike. I haven’t come across the knee-staining problem before…. But that is an excellent point. My knees have logged more than enough use/abuse so that they couldn’t handle much more. The circular (or in this case oval) motion involves virtually no shock and, I find, actually helps build them up. pb

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I know it!  DH got me a Rio Sport mp3 player for xmas and I’ve had the best time listening to my music while I work out too! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m 100% with you there.  I like the elliptical machine a lot and for me it is very low impact.  I bring a nice mix of music and I’m off!  :-) The Elliptical is my favorite and stains my knees allot less then treadmill or bike. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? Have you looked into ellipticals? The motion is a cross between cycling and walking. Some come with upper body exercisers too, similar to rowing. You could watch your movies, and by dialing the resistance control the calorie burn rate. p. — jmk in NC

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Treadmills win hands-down at health clubs.  They take up more space and cost more tho.  For bikes try a recumbant model – no pressure on the butt.  Be prepared to spend $$ for a good model of either.  If you have $$ another great choice is an EFX machine (elliptical trainer). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

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http://www.ecoquest.com/apsna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and click on "The Enzyme Diet" link under New Products.  So far, we have others using it now too and everyone is losing weight and eating anything they want!  If you’d like to speak with my wife, Vivian, call us toll free at 888-801-4482.  She’ll be happy to share her experiences with you. Sincerely, Jim Bogul … Leadership Development Bogul Air & Water Purification / 4airfix Hudson, FL 34667 888-801-4482 727-819-2877 fax 208-485-4618 Our Company and Products: http://www.freshairliving.com/bogul (password is "guest") http://www.ecoquest.com/apsna What do you all find has worked best for weight loss, treadmill or exercycle? I gotta get back into wt loss, and during cold winter months I just can not get motivated to exercise outdoors or even drive to the gym. I live in nothern minnesota — very cold for several months.  I figure I can exercise while watching a movie– but treadmill or exercycle? Exercycle takes less concentration (won’t trip and fall off like a treadmill when watching a movie), but I suppose treadmill burns more cals? Of course when weather warms, I love walking and hiking and biking outdoors.  Thoughts? Advice?

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I’m up to do the coding for this. Phil

| I dont know what type of hosting you are planning | on but if you can get it a site that uses a database | system (asp etc) is the best option for people who | want to get particular answers. You could just | cut regular threads and insert them into a database | and use keyword searches etc. | | Long single pages dont seem to work as well as | having the people ‘choose’ what they want to | read about. | | | LW | |

| Hi all. I have been diligently working (a ton of time) on the new RST web | site. I want to include the FAQ on the new site, but for now have simply | linked to it’s official site: | http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html | | I’m questioning how official this site is nowadays. I cannot reach the | author, or the keeper, via his email address on the site, the FAQ hasn’t | been updated in ages except for the text additions that Gail keeps | separately, and it’s pretty out of date. | | Does anyone know the author and/or how to reach him?  Would anyone like to | take a stab at creating the new, updated FAQ? I wasn’t around when the | current one was done so don’t know how it was created, if a concensus | agreement was made, somebody just took the initiative, or what. I do know | that it needs to be updated. | | I would also like to move it’s official location to recsporttriathlon.com | when I launch the new site. | | On a separate but associated note – I would love for some of the members to | help me out with web page content for the site. It would be a shame for it | to all come from me (not to mention a lot of work), since the site should | be | for and from the members. | | I can assure you your time will not go to waste, I will use in some way | everything that is sent to me. | | Here are topics I would like to ask for page help with – | | The races – names, legends, history….etc. | The distances – what they are, who does them….etc | Coaching – Is it for you? Who are the coaches? What books can I read? | The FAQ (of course) | Submissions for member pages – give me your links. | Triathlon clubs | RST’s greatest hits – recipes, lists, hilarious posts…. | Photos | Commericial Sites | Magazines | Auctions – hmmmm, who can we get to do this? | I’ve already asked for specific help with the swimming, cycling, and | running | pages, as well as race experience – I asked Tricia, IronPete, Laurie Hug, | and Rick Denney (where is Rick?) but not in that order. I’ve personally | done | Who is RST? What is RST? How do I get on? | | I will have the front page up and running for you at a site by next week, | it’s done now but if I put it up at the current site the ad banners get in | the way and mess it all up. | | Thanks in advance for any/all ideas/help | | Schwing | | | | |

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Really, really appreciate you guys devoting time to this in the offseason. Looks great! Wendy

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What off season? Tis the season to be jolly! Phil

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, really appreciate you guys devoting time to this in the offseason. Looks great! Wendy

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I dont know what type of hosting you are planning on but if you can get it a site that uses a database system (asp etc) is the best option for people who want to get particular answers. You could just cut regular threads and insert them into a database and use keyword searches etc. Long single pages dont seem to work as well as having the people ‘choose’ what they want to read about. LW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all. I have been diligently working (a ton of time) on the new RST web site. I want to include the FAQ on the new site, but for now have simply linked to it’s official site: http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html I’m questioning how official this site is nowadays. I cannot reach the author, or the keeper, via his email address on the site, the FAQ hasn’t been updated in ages except for the text additions that Gail keeps separately, and it’s pretty out of date. Does anyone know the author and/or how to reach him?  Would anyone like to take a stab at creating the new, updated FAQ? I wasn’t around when the current one was done so don’t know how it was created, if a concensus agreement was made, somebody just took the initiative, or what. I do know that it needs to be updated. I would also like to move it’s official location to recsporttriathlon.com when I launch the new site. On a separate but associated note – I would love for some of the members to help me out with web page content for the site. It would be a shame for it to all come from me (not to mention a lot of work), since the site should be for and from the members. I can assure you your time will not go to waste, I will use in some way everything that is sent to me. Here are topics I would like to ask for page help with – The races – names, legends, history….etc. The distances – what they are, who does them….etc Coaching – Is it for you? Who are the coaches? What books can I read? The FAQ (of course) Submissions for member pages – give me your links. Triathlon clubs RST’s greatest hits – recipes, lists, hilarious posts…. Photos Commericial Sites Magazines Auctions – hmmmm, who can we get to do this? I’ve already asked for specific help with the swimming, cycling, and running pages, as well as race experience – I asked Tricia, IronPete, Laurie Hug, and Rick Denney (where is Rick?) but not in that order. I’ve personally done Who is RST? What is RST? How do I get on? I will have the front page up and running for you at a site by next week, it’s done now but if I put it up at the current site the ad banners get in the way and mess it all up. Thanks in advance for any/all ideas/help Schwing

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Hi all. I have been diligently working (a ton of time) on the new RST web site. I want to include the FAQ on the new site, but for now have simply linked to it’s official site: http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html I’m questioning how official this site is nowadays. I cannot reach the author, or the keeper, via his email address on the site, the FAQ hasn’t been updated in ages except for the text additions that Gail keeps separately, and it’s pretty out of date. Does anyone know the author and/or how to reach him?  Would anyone like to take a stab at creating the new, updated FAQ? I wasn’t around when the current one was done so don’t know how it was created, if a concensus agreement was made, somebody just took the initiative, or what. I do know that it needs to be updated. I would also like to move it’s official location to recsporttriathlon.com when I launch the new site. On a separate but associated note – I would love for some of the members to help me out with web page content for the site. It would be a shame for it to all come from me (not to mention a lot of work), since the site should be for and from the members. I can assure you your time will not go to waste, I will use in some way everything that is sent to me. Here are topics I would like to ask for page help with – The races – names, legends, history….etc. The distances – what they are, who does them….etc Coaching – Is it for you? Who are the coaches? What books can I read? The FAQ (of course) Submissions for member pages – give me your links. Triathlon clubs RST’s greatest hits – recipes, lists, hilarious posts…. Photos Commericial Sites Magazines Auctions – hmmmm, who can we get to do this? I’ve already asked for specific help with the swimming, cycling, and running pages, as well as race experience – I asked Tricia, IronPete, Laurie Hug, and Rick Denney (where is Rick?) but not in that order. I’ve personally done Who is RST? What is RST? How do I get on? I will have the front page up and running for you at a site by next week, it’s done now but if I put it up at the current site the ad banners get in the way and mess it all up. Thanks in advance for any/all ideas/help Schwing

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Hey Schwing, Here’s my purely personal opinion: I suspect that what happens is that people decide that triathlon sounds cool, or they’d like to do one, so they start reading the newsgroup. If they have experience with other newsgroups, they start looking in the postings for a FAQ before they de-lurk. So what makes the most sense, to me anyway, is to put the FAQ in a very obvious location. (which is why I’ve been posting it frequently.) That way people will see it as it pops up in their newsreader, and hopefully they’ll read it before posting a question that all of us have answered so frequently that we may be burnt out on answering it anymore. Accordingly, I don’t think that _only_ posting the FAQ on a website will help a lot, unless some of the regular posters agree to put the FAQ’s location in their .sig file. If you want to do a new FAQ on the web, I vote for making the website’s FAQ and the FAQ I post be the same file. I’d organize it this way: Section 1: Frequently asked questions about triathlon Section 2: RST conventions (like the for-sale rules.) Whaddyathink? Gail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. I have been diligently working (a ton of time) on the new RST web site. I want to include the FAQ on the new site, but for now have simply linked to it’s official site: http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html I’m questioning how official this site is nowadays. I cannot reach the author, or the keeper, via his email address on the site, the FAQ hasn’t been updated in ages except for the text additions that Gail keeps separately, and it’s pretty out of date. Does anyone know the author and/or how to reach him?  Would anyone like to take a stab at creating the new, updated FAQ? I wasn’t around when the current one was done so don’t know how it was created, if a concensus agreement was made, somebody just took the initiative, or what. I do know that it needs to be updated. I would also like to move it’s official location to recsporttriathlon.com when I launch the new site. On a separate but associated note – I would love for some of the members to help me out with web page content for the site. It would be a shame for it to all come from me (not to mention a lot of work), since the site should be for and from the members. I can assure you your time will not go to waste, I will use in some way everything that is sent to me. Here are topics I would like to ask for page help with – The races – names, legends, history….etc. The distances – what they are, who does them….etc Coaching – Is it for you? Who are the coaches? What books can I read? The FAQ (of course) Submissions for member pages – give me your links. Triathlon clubs RST’s greatest hits – recipes, lists, hilarious posts…. Photos Commericial Sites Magazines Auctions – hmmmm, who can we get to do this? I’ve already asked for specific help with the swimming, cycling, and running pages, as well as race experience – I asked Tricia, IronPete, Laurie Hug, and Rick Denney (where is Rick?) but not in that order. I’ve personally done Who is RST? What is RST? How do I get on? I will have the front page up and running for you at a site by next week, it’s done now but if I put it up at the current site the ad banners get in the way and mess it all up. Thanks in advance for any/all ideas/help Schwing

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Gail, your ideas are exactly what I had in mind. I didn’t even mean to hint that the FAQ might discontinue to be posted online, that would be counter productive to the entire effort. Your biweekly posting of the FAQ is it’s main line of business – that’s how it’s designed to work. However, you don’t post the entire FAQ, but links to the "official" FAQ are part of what you post. I’m trying to say that link, and that page with the full "FAQ" is out of date, needs to be updated, and I would like your link to it on your posting of the FAQ, to point to the new site and the new FAQ, as expressed below. I’ve looked over the FAQ that we have posted on the group – compliments of the newlywed Gail DeCamp, and it’s part FAQ, part links to the FAQ, I only want to change the latter part. Most newsgroup FAQs exist in the exact way that ours does – they get posted in condensed form on the newsgroup regularly, and their full content can be found on a web site somewhere. BTW, our FAQ is very informal compared to others, for example  alt.html , however, that’s a pretty technical subject. Basically just this, in as few words as possible – continue doing what you’re doing, update the web page FAQ with more pertinent content, move it to another server, and keep on keeping on. There would be very little purpose in only having the FAQ on a website. ?????? Yes/No? Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Schwing, Here’s my purely personal opinion: I suspect that what happens is that people decide that triathlon sounds cool, or they’d like to do one, so they start reading the newsgroup. If they have experience with other newsgroups, they start looking in the postings for a FAQ before they de-lurk. So what makes the most sense, to me anyway, is to put the FAQ in a very obvious location. (which is why I’ve been posting it frequently.) That way people will see it as it pops up in their newsreader, and hopefully they’ll read it before posting a question that all of us have answered so frequently that we may be burnt out on answering it anymore. Accordingly, I don’t think that _only_ posting the FAQ on a website will help a lot, unless some of the regular posters agree to put the FAQ’s location in their .sig file. If you want to do a new FAQ on the web, I vote for making the website’s FAQ and the FAQ I post be the same file. I’d organize it this way: Section 1: Frequently asked questions about triathlon Section 2: RST conventions (like the for-sale rules.) Whaddyathink? Gail Hi all. I have been diligently working (a ton of time) on the new RST web site. I want to include the FAQ on the new site, but for now have simply linked to it’s official site: http://userweb.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html I’m questioning how official this site is nowadays. I cannot reach the author, or the keeper, via his email address on the site, the FAQ hasn’t been updated in ages except for the text additions that Gail keeps separately, and it’s pretty out of date. Does anyone know the author and/or how to reach him?  Would anyone like to take a stab at creating the new, updated FAQ? I wasn’t around when the current one was done so don’t know how it was created, if a concensus agreement was made, somebody just took the initiative, or what. I do know that it needs to be updated. I would also like to move it’s official location to

recsporttriathlon.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – when I launch the new site. On a separate but associated note – I would love for some of the members to help me out with web page content for the site. It would be a shame for it to all come from me (not to mention a lot of work), since the site should be for and from the members. I can assure you your time will not go to waste, I will use in some way everything that is sent to me. Here are topics I would like to ask for page help with – The races – names, legends, history….etc. The distances – what they are, who does them….etc Coaching – Is it for you? Who are the coaches? What books can I read? The FAQ (of course) Submissions for member pages – give me your links. Triathlon clubs RST’s greatest hits – recipes, lists, hilarious posts…. Photos Commericial Sites Magazines Auctions – hmmmm, who can we get to do this? I’ve already asked for specific help with the swimming, cycling, and running pages, as well as race experience – I asked Tricia, IronPete, Laurie Hug, and Rick Denney (where is Rick?) but not in that order. I’ve personally done Who is RST? What is RST? How do I get on? I will have the front page up and running for you at a site by next week, it’s done now but if I put it up at the current site the ad banners get in the way and mess it all up. Thanks in advance for any/all ideas/help Schwing

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I heading down from rainy Portland with several Nike Team Endorphin members for My first ever Tri ( hell of an intro HUH).  I hope all those miles in the rain are worth something.  I’ll be the one on a flourescent orange Softride can’t miss me.  Thanks to everyone for all the tips on RST to get me to Wildflower!!!!!! Kendall Shapiro – Tri Virgin

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Tricia, Add me to the list of "people who know what  the long course is really like, but signed up anyway"  At least this year I have a pretty good start on the training, but Wildflower has a habit of humbling all of us (at least it has set me back in my thinking about how good of condition I’m in for the last three years).  First time for the long course for me but, hey, after doing IMC ‘98, how hard can Wildflower be? We’ll know in about 4 weeks!! John Hall All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere

three-and-a-half weeks off, I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Mark Rinaldi (Long Course) I am bringing 22 of my Inland Inferno teammates with me. Just hope it isn’t as windy as it was last weekend up there. Mark Rinaldi Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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I’m going ! Racing Saturday, Head Ref on Sunday. Hey Larry, are you one of my newbies?  Welcome ! We are VERY glad to have you ! Congratulations for stepping into the arena of Service to Your Sport ! Lynne

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I’m heading down to check out the Water Temp and will report back, this weekend. Anyone else going this weekend? Our Carmel Valley Tri Club goes every year just prior. Lynne

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<< I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing? <<TriBaby Princess Carla and I are both going long again this year.  We rode the course on 4/3 and it was freezing cold and windy as hell.  Lets hope for better weather on race day Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Yes, Lynne, I’m one of your newbies.  I’m looking forward to seeing the sport from a different angle and meeting some new folks as well.  It looks like an exciting weekend.  See you in a few weeks. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going ! Racing Saturday, Head Ref on Sunday. Hey Larry, are you one of my newbies?  Welcome ! We are VERY glad to have you ! Congratulations for stepping into the arena of Service to Your Sport ! Lynne

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We’ve got about 28 or 30 coming down from Sonoma Mountain Triathletes. See you all there – look for our banner and come say hi! Doug Kraus Tri-turtle (yes, I’m still alive) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Gordo Byrn – Long Course (wife Angela backin’ me up) Coming all the way from Hong Kong!

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Olympic — Paul MacKenzie from Benicia, CA 1/2  – Lynne MacKenzie – same place

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Chuck  "The Lurker" Willen is doing the Long course.  I hope to meet everyone there.

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Put me down for racing the long course and doing my first USAT gig at the short course. Larry

All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Hi all, See y’all there, working the race on Saturday, racing on Sunday. Monday? Hmmmmm… Kathy *I’m a woman of action.*

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Add to that: Meika SIlva Matt Pope (We’re both doing the Olympic) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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Emilio De Soto.  After proving myself against the youngsters on the Olympic course last year (3rd overall) I am doing the long course this year again. Mark Montgomery and I have a case of imports on the race.  We have been racing this race now for about 10-12 years?  I don’t know I lost count. Will there be a meeting of RSTers?  Let us know! Emilio Triathlete/President and Designer De Soto Sport Triathlon Clothing Email me for a free catalog

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I’ll be doing the long course for my second time.  Hope to see everybody! Everitt Chock

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Randy Lexvold – Long course and I’ve pulled my girlfriend and roommate into the tri-fold, they’re going to be doing the MTB course. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips: http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html

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I’ll be coming up from Orange County to do the Olympic course. Ron Urman

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I’ll be there. I’m signed up for the Olympic. -Gail DeCamp

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Racing both days–MTB Saturday, Olympic distance Sunday.  (Last year I heard there are a few crazies who, not finding the half-Ironman challenging enough , race the half-IM Saturday, then the Olympic distance Sunday.  Anyone on RST willing to admit to doing that?) –Steve Gregg

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the UCSB Gauchos will be there, olympic of course… we will try and keep the noise to a minimum on friday night see ya there Scott, UCSB triathlon

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Steve, One year 1992 I did an olympic on saturday in Los Angeles and the long course on Sunday.  They actually used to have it on Sunday.  Finished 10 th overall! Emilio De Soto II Triathlete/President and Designer De Soto Sport Triathlon Clothing Email me for a free catalog

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Man Emilio, you are an animal!  I can’t wait to meet the man, the myth, the legend at Wildflower this year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, One year 1992 I did an olympic on saturday in Los Angeles and the long course on Sunday.  They actually used to have it on Sunday.  Finished 10 th overall! Emilio De Soto II Triathlete/President and Designer De Soto Sport Triathlon Clothing Email me for a free catalog

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Fred Huxham – long course (my first attempt at a 1/2 ironman) Heading down from Ross, Ca (Marin County) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All right, now that Judgement Day is a mere three-and-a-half weeks off, I reckon it’s about time to start takin’ names. Who’s goin?  Which race are you planning on doing?  Post or email and I’ll track the list.  I’ll start with: TriBaby Joe "Studmuffin" Foster John Welch Ron Renwick Wade & Cathy Blomgren — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Hi RST. I am looking for a bike/tri shop or shops in the SF bay area (pref. on the peninsula) which have a large assortment of tribikes in stock.  I would like to have the opportunity to test ride a number of bikes before I decide whether or not I need a new one… Thanks, Mark Johnson IMC97 Palo Alto, CA

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Saratoga Bike Shop in Saratoga carries QR, Softride, and maybe a fuji or two.  He can also get felt and some other models.  This is about as close as you are going to get in the SF bay area.  I think that finish line bicycles also carries QR’s, but I’m not sure where they are or what other makes they stock. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi RST. I am looking for a bike/tri shop or shops in the SF bay area (pref. on the peninsula) which have a large assortment of tribikes in stock.  I would like to have the opportunity to test ride a number of bikes before I decide whether or not I need a new one… Thanks, Mark Johnson IMC97 Palo Alto, CA

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Saratoga Bike Shop in Saratoga carries QR, Softride, and maybe a fuji or two.  He can also get felt and some other models.  This is about as close as you are going to get in the SF bay area.  I think that finish line bicycles also carries QR’s, but I’m not sure where they are or what other makes they stock.

Yes, Saratoga Cyclery is one of very few options for the die-hard tri-geek around here.  Anothe is CyclePath in San Mateo. Good luck! — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Yes, Saratoga Cyclery is one of very few options for the die-hard tri-geek around here.  

Saratoga Cyclery is where a wee 8 year-old Joe Foster used to smug the windows as a young lad in 1968. Little did I know then . . . Joseph C. Foster

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Yes, Saratoga Cyclery is one of very few options for the die-hard tri-geek around here.   Saratoga Cyclery is where a wee 8 year-old Joe Foster used to smug the windows as a young lad in 1968. Little did I know then . . . Joseph C. Foster

The bike store where I used to ogle the bikes when I was a kid in Toronto, and were I ended up working for a time is now . . . . . a Gap store! Steve Fleck

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Yes, Saratoga Cyclery is one of very few options for the die-hard tri-geek around here.  Anothe is CyclePath in San Mateo.

Unfortunately, no longer. I was up there a couple of months ago and CyclePath is now essentially all custom. Fine if that’s what you want, but otherwise pretty useless. I’m plannin on heading over to Kal Kool Stuff fairly soon. -Ekr —           eTrain – free triathlon training software               http://www.rtfm.com/tri/etrain.html

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Try Cyclepath in San Mateo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi RST. I am looking for a bike/tri shop or shops in the SF bay area (pref. on the peninsula) which have a large assortment of tribikes in stock.  I would like to have the opportunity to test ride a number of bikes before I decide whether or not I need a new one… Thanks, Mark Johnson IMC97 Palo Alto, CA

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Bicycle Outfitters in Mountain View carries Kestrel and Merlin, plus a wide assortment of goodies. <<Drooling Kathy The secret is…to find peace in your heart and share it with the world.

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Bicycle Outfitters in Mountain View carries Kestrel and Merlin, plus a wide assortment of goodies. <<Drooling

Aren’t they in Los Altos, not Mountain View? — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Re: Location of Bicycle Outfitters, Los Altos or Mountain View… They are in that corridor off the 280, kinda Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Los Altos–for lack of being able to provide better geographic locale, I’d check a phone book…sorry…;-) Kathy " I was a passenger on the ride to the store" Matejka The secret is…to find peace in your heart and share it with the world.

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These are the 2 places I know that has more tri bikes than outfitter: -Start to Finish in Santa Clara -CyclePath in San Mateo (this shop is quite specialize in Tri/TT bike, they carry Zipp, Xtreme, Cervelo and custom make tri).

Re: Location of Bicycle Outfitters, Los Altos or Mountain View… They are in that corridor off the 280, kinda Sunnyvale/Mountain View/Los Altos–for lack of being able to provide better geographic locale, I’d check a phone book…sorry…;-) Kathy " I was a passenger on the ride to the store" Matejka The secret is…to find peace in your heart and share it with the world.

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-CyclePath in San Mateo (this shop is quite specialize in Tri/TT bike, they carry Zipp, Xtreme, Cervelo and custom make tri).

They are no longer a Cervelo dealer, as they seem to focus more and more on their own custom bikes. Saratoga Bikes and Kalifornia Kool Stuff are our new dealers in the area. Sincerely, Gerard Vroomen, Cervelo Cycles. website: http://www.cervelo.com

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You could have just asked, in which case the overwhelming answer will be Syntace. Sorry about sucking you in with the free thing but I have profile super strykes and they suck!! Dying to know what people believe to be the best bars out there at whatever cost. thanks                                                            swmbkrn

Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.

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I bought a pair of profile super strykes to use this year.  They broke the first race.  Began rattling during the first mile, then fell apart.  Brought them back to my bike shop.  They said I did not install them correctly.  I am the type that lines up all the parts, reads directions completely, and follows them when putting things togeather.  Bike shop did not choose to believe me. They think they are the only ones who know how to install bike parts.  The offered me a switch to Syntace at a discount.  I later found out the they overcharged me.  The outcome:  I love the Syntace, feel more secure and comfortable.  I will not buy Profiles again (another pair I have on my beater bike, the elbow cups keep rotating).  And I have a new bike shop, it is in my house. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry about sucking you in with the free thing but I have profile super strykes and they suck!! Dying to know what people believe to be the best bars out there at whatever cost. thanks                                                                 swmbkrn

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Syntace

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Sorry about sucking you in with the free thing but I have profile super

strykes and they suck!! Dying to know what people believe to be the best bars out there at whatever

cost. thanks Sorry to hear about yuor bad experince with Profile.  I use the Profife Project X one piece intergrated bar and I love it.  Light weight, adjustable, and very comfortable.  Some people have posted problems with Profile’s customer service, but when I needed a warrenty replacement they sent out the new bars without even seeing my old ones first. Gary McMurtrey Inland Inferno Triathlon Club http://members.aol.com/infernotri/home.htm

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Sorry about sucking you in with the free thing but I have profile super strykes and they suck!! Dying to know what people believe to be the best bars out there at whatever cost. thanks                                                                 swmbkrn

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Michael: 1) We are not amused. 2) I also hate my profile bars. OK, I don’t hate them but they’re not what I would call ’solidly engineered.’ I have, however, heard lots of good things about Syntace and intend to try them next time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry about sucking you in with the free thing but I have profile super strykes and they suck!! Dying to know what people believe to be the best bars out there at whatever cost. thanks                                                            swmbkrn

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I’m only a relatively inexperienced cyclist (as far as form/technique goes) ; but I had the impression that when climbing hills, one should scoot back on the saddle for more power.  Could someone clarify which is recommended: more forward or more toward the wheel; unless it’s mainly due to preference.

On a standard road frame, YES, one should scoot back in the saddle for more power when climbing.  On a steep-angled tri-bike, however, you cannot scoot far enough back to achieve the desired power, and it is actually more efficient to remain forward in the aero position except on the steepest grades. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I’m only a relatively inexperienced cyclist (as far as form/technique goes) ; but I had the impression that when climbing hills, one should scoot back on the saddle for more power.  Could someone clarify which is recommended: more forward or more toward the wheel; unless it’s mainly due to preference.    I’ve also noticed that standing up to mash gears is a somewhat traumatic experience. Heart rate, lactic acid levels, and breathing rate rockets up. Personally, I think it’s a lot easier on the system, and it’s more enerfy efficient in the long run; however, I sometimes I get a pretty good psychological boost from hammering. i firmly believe that if you ride a steep seat angle bike you should climb in the aero position, or out of the saddle, either or, but with a fast cadence.  the worst place to be (on a tri bike) is sitting up and back, as you might sit on a road race bike.  i think i have something on our website about this, http://www.rooworld.com/technical_institute.html qrman

                      Kevin Chan

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Hey! I resemble that remark!    As I was telling Jeff Pearson off line, I have every intention of trai ning in the hills here in western Dane County, WI  in my bar end shifting/Pro file X bar/56-42 front 12-23 rear Kilo PR so that I can practice this very thin g for Vineman’s rollers: aero position climbing.  I’m gonna need every bit o’ strength to haul my big a*s smoothly through that 112….not like you l’ il skinny types zippin’ up the hills like mosquitoes mowing me down. Chaz

Hey!  I resemble this remark too, but please do me the Norwegian justice of getting the name correct.  ;)! You are very correct though, the western hills in Dane County can do nothing but help you for the plains of northern California.  Although I speak from the "lil’ skinny types" point of view, climbing is a good thing. Well, I’m sure we’ll hook up sometime prior to Vineman for a good training ride!  I’ll bring along the lutefisk (sp?) and lefsa so that you don’t forget my name.  ;)! Jeff _Larson_ President UW Triathlon Club "Be the change you want to see in the world."                         -Gandhi

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You raise a very good point, Brian…most people don’t realize how much of their power goes into overcoming aero drag even at relatively slow velocities. Our modeling work showed that even at ~15 mph, overcoming aero drag accounted for roughly half of the power requirement of cycling. Of course, there are hills that you can get up faster by coming out of the aero position, and one key to top performance is knowing when to sit and when to stand. A related issue is how to best distribute your efforts – depending on the course, it is often faster to go harder up the hills and recover on the descents, rather than try to hold an even effort the whole way. BTW, the general philosophy of "aero at all times" was a large part of the concept behind the Hooker aero bars (which allow *only* the aero position)…they felt that any time you might lose on the steepest hills would be gained back on the descents. You do have to adapt your riding style a bit to really take advantage of these bars (or this philosophy), but my experience has been that they (it) are faster except on very hilly or very technical courses…

: Hey, : I haven’t seen much talk about climbing hills in the aero position.  I did a race last : weekend that had a number of large rolling hills.  They were big but I was able to stay : in my aerobars most of the way as I have tried to train this way.  I didn’t know if my : training was doing me any good until this race. :       : Most of the hills were also into the wind.  I passed 4 riders who were probably better : cyclist than I mainly due to the fact that they would stand up to try to get over these : hills.  Boy, did they ever drop speed when they stood up.  It was like they put out a : parachute.  I was watching them just hoping they’d stand up so I could gain ground. : I know there are hills where everyone needs to assume a strictly "hill climbing" : position, be it sitting or standing.  I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and : learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are : borderline. : Just my observations, : Bri —       University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston

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I haven’t seen much talk about climbing hills in the aero position.

i firmly believe that if you ride a steep seat angle bike you should climb in the aero position, or out of the saddle, either or, but with a fast cadence.  the worst place to be (on a tri bike) is sitting up and back, as you might sit on a road race bike.  i think i have something on our website about this, http://www.rooworld.com/technical_institute.html qrman

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I just wonder how many miles Chaz did on the computrainer this winter that were on the aerobars vs upright! Probably thousands each way. <grin Probably broke several sets of Split Seconds and wore out 3 bike seats. Part Man, part Animal — MANIMAL.

Hey! I resemble that remark!  Actually, you’re correct, just as many miles spent in aero as out, ’specially on the steep hills.  The word "thousands" however is far more than I did (1800).     As I was telling Jeff Pearson off line, I have every intention of training in the hills here in western Dane County, WI  in my bar end shifting/Profile X bar/56-42 front 12-23 rear Kilo PR so that I can practice this very thing for Vineman’s rollers: aero position climbing.  I’m gonna need every bit o’ strength to haul my big a*s smoothly through that 112….not like you l’il skinny types zippin’ up the hills like mosquitoes mowing me down. Sigh. Does that last sentence read like envy?  OK, I admit it, I meant it that way Chaz

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"Western Dane County"?? Now, that’s truly God’s country! Chaz, you will do great at Vineman with training on those hills! See ya there (I’m doing the Vineman 1/2 and working the hills round Lake Geneva, Wisc. with my tri buddies!) Laura (IMC ‘97, ‘98, confirmed for MIM, Muskoka, Vineman, IMC) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wonder how many miles Chaz did on the computrainer this winter that were on the aerobars vs upright! Probably thousands each way. <grin Probably broke several sets of Split Seconds and wore out 3 bike seats. Part Man, part Animal — MANIMAL. Hey! I resemble that remark!  Actually, you’re correct, just as many miles spent in aero as out, ’specially on the steep hills.  The word "thousands" however is far more than I did (1800).   As I was telling Jeff Pearson off line, I have every intention of training in the hills here in western Dane County, WI  in my bar end shifting/Profile X bar/56-42 front 12-23 rear Kilo PR so that I can practice this very thing for Vineman’s rollers: aero position climbing.  I’m gonna need every bit o’ strength to haul my big a*s smoothly through that 112….not like you l’il skinny types zippin’ up the hills like mosquitoes mowing me down. Sigh. Does that last sentence read like envy?  OK, I admit it, I meant it that way Chaz

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John,  Try spinning into the wind which we encounter here in Houston. You can sometimes have a 10mi ‘hill’ when you face a 15-20 MPH headwind. You’ll see a similar effect to climbing the hills, although your being aero will help for that reason as well. Spinning will usually be more efficient, and get the heart rate a bit higher. Mashing will definately hurt more, but will likely allow you a bit more speed at the expense of your legs wanting to explode despite your heart rate telling you that they shouldn’t be hurting so bad.  Make any sense? I though not. Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another thought is that staying aero forces you to spin up the hills rather than mash big gears standing up.  From what I have heard on RST lately, that seems to be the most efficient.  However, being from Houston I am John Isgren

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I just wonder how many miles Chaz did on the computrainer this winter that were on the aerobars vs upright! Probably thousands each way. <grin Probably broke several sets of Split Seconds and wore out 3 bike seats. Part Man, part Animal — MANIMAL. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I haven’t seen much talk about climbing hills in the aero position.  I did a race last weekend that had a number of large rolling hills.  They were big but I was able to stay in my aerobars most of the way as I have tried to train this way.  I didn’t know if my training was doing me any good until this race. Most of the hills were also into the wind.  I passed 4 riders who were probably better cyclist than I mainly due to the fact that they would stand up to try to get over these hills.  Boy, did they ever drop speed when they stood up.  It was like they put out a parachute.  I was watching them just hoping they’d stand up so I could gain ground. I know there are hills where everyone needs to assume a strictly "hill climbing" position, be it sitting or standing.  I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are  borderline. Just my observations, Bri QRman Dan Empfield has offered the advice to me on several occasions that if you have a triathlon specific bike (steep seat angle/aerobars), and your legs can manage the grade, it’s most advantageous to climb hills in aero.  When I was over racing in Finland at the ‘97 European ETU short course championships, we had to do 4 x 10K loops, and half of each loop was a 1000 ft climb to the top of ski jump, pretty steep grade. I definitely could NOT get aero climbing up that sucker, but when we were watching the replays of the pro race on the big screen later, Natascha Badmann spent the whole time on her Cheetah churning up that hill in aero position (and of course, she ate up the bike course and eventually won the championship race).   IMHO, the next best thing you can do is what Jan Ulrich (the eventual winner of the 97 Tour) did in the Tour De France mountain stages…stay in the saddle (albeit on the drops, rather than in aero). The guy who finished first in the mountain stages (Richard Virenque) spends a lot of time outta saddle, but it seems to me, you have to have a heckuva lung capacity to stand outta saddle 100% of the time & try to climb things like the Nasty Grade at Widlflower et al.  I stayed in the saddle for virtually every climb at WF, only coming out of saddle to stratch my torso. My legs were the better for that decision.  Jus’ my buck-two-forty worth of agreements. Chaz

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… I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are borderline.

Depends on your net speed.  At low  speeds the aero effect/benefit is negligible. Tom

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… I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are borderline. Depends on your net speed.  At low  speeds the aero effect/benefit is negligible. Tom

Actually, I think the argument for aero up the hills has little to do with trying to achieve an aero benefit and more to do with use of leg power/speed up hills on a tri-specific bike (with aerobars). Chaz

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Another thought is that staying aero forces you to spin up the hills rather than mash big gears standing up.  From what I have heard on RST lately, that seems to be the most efficient.  However, being from Houston I am John Isgren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are borderline. Depends on your net speed.  At low  speeds the aero effect/benefit is negligible. Tom Actually, I think the argument for aero up the hills has little to do with trying to achieve an aero benefit and more to do with use of leg power/speed up hills on a tri-specific bike (with aerobars). Chaz

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I agree with this argument to a point.  Staying aero as long as you possibly can has obvious advantages, but it can be difficult. To make the comparison to cyclists is difficult.  Guys like Virenque, Pantani, and the like are small in stature in comparison to Ulrich, Riis, Lemond.  I would argue that as a result climbing styles are different between the two groups (smaller vs. larger riders).  I don’t intend this as a statement of fact, but rather an opinion based on my limited observations. For me, staying aero is the way to go, but at $1.45, I just plain can’t generate the type of force necessary to get up some hills without getting out of the saddle.  As a result much of my time is spent climbing out of the saddle because that’s what I’m accustomed to.  If I had a little meat on my bones, perhaps the situation would be different, but for now I’m content to stand up and grind it out rather than punish myself in the saddle. This is not to say that staying aero isn’t the way to go, to the contrary, I think it is.  However, I prefer to think the argument has more to do with size of rider, and style of climbing (what each individual is comfortable with) rather than a matter of it being a right or wrong way to climb. My $.02 Jeff Larson UW Madison Triathlon Club – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   IMHO, the next best thing you can do is what Jan Ulrich (the eventual winner of the 97 Tour) did in the Tour De France mountain stages…stay in the saddle (albeit on the drops, rather than in aero). The guy who finished first in the mountain stages (Richard Virenque) spends a lot of time outta sad dle, but it seems to me, you have to have a heckuva lung capacity to stand ou tta saddle 100% of the time & try to climb things like the Nasty Grade at Widlflower et al.  I stayed in the saddle for virtually every climb at W F, only coming out of saddle to stratch my torso. My legs were the better f or that decision.  Jus’ my buck-two-forty worth of agreements. Chaz

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Hey, I haven’t seen much talk about climbing hills in the aero position.  I did a race last weekend that had a number of large rolling hills.  They were big but I was able to stay in my aerobars most of the way as I have tried to train this way.  I didn’t know if my training was doing me any good until this race. Most of the hills were also into the wind.  I passed 4 riders who were probably better cyclist than I mainly due to the fact that they would stand up to try to get over these hills.  Boy, did they ever drop speed when they stood up.  It was like they put out a parachute.  I was watching them just hoping they’d stand up so I could gain ground. I know there are hills where everyone needs to assume a strictly "hill climbing" position, be it sitting or standing.  I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are borderline. Just my observations, Bri

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Hey, I haven’t seen much talk about climbing hills in the aero position.  I did a race last weekend that had a number of large rolling hills.  They were big but I was able to stay in my aerobars most of the way as I have tried to train this way.  I didn’t know if my training was doing me any good until this race.       Most of the hills were also into the wind.  I passed 4 riders who were probably better cyclist than I mainly due to the fact that they would stand up to try to get over these hills.  Boy, did they ever drop speed when they stood up.  It was like they put out a parachute.  I was watching them just hoping they’d stand up so I could gain ground. I know there are hills where everyone needs to assume a strictly "hill climbing" position, be it sitting or standing.  I think that it is more advantagious to stay low and learn/train to breath hard and recover in your aero position on hills that are  borderline. Just my observations, Bri

 QRman Dan Empfield has offered the advice to me on several occasions that if you have a triathlon specific bike (steep seat angle/aerobars), and your legs can manage the grade, it’s most advantageous to climb hills in aero.  When I was over racing in Finland at the ‘97 European ETU short course championships, we had to do 4 x 10K loops, and half of each loop was a 1000 ft climb to the top of ski jump, pretty steep grade. I definitely could NOT get aero climbing up that sucker, but when we were watching the replays of the pro race on the big screen later, Natascha Badmann spent the whole time on her Cheetah   churning up that hill in aero position (and of course, she ate up the bike course and eventually won the championship race).      IMHO, the next best thing you can do is what Jan Ulrich (the eventual winner of the 97 Tour) did in the Tour De France mountain stages…stay in the saddle (albeit on the drops, rather than in aero). The guy who finished first in the mountain stages (Richard Virenque) spends a lot of time outta saddle, but it seems to me, you have to have a heckuva lung capacity to stand outta saddle 100% of the time & try to climb things like the Nasty Grade at Widlflower et al.  I stayed in the saddle for virtually every climb at WF, only coming out of saddle to stratch my torso. My legs were the better for that decision.   Jus’ my buck-two-forty worth of agreements. Chaz

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Well I did my last tri for the year at Siesta Key.  What a nice place for a tri!  I even got a medal!!! I had a great time doing the tri’s this year and feel more fit then I’ve ever been.  Now, I want to set a loftier goal – Gulf Coast 1/2 IM in May. Can anyone offer suggestions on a training program to bring a sprint triathlete up to a 1/2 IM level??  I’m ready and willing to put in more time.  My goal is to finish. thanks LAM

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    There is a great book called, "Swim. Bike. Run" (catchy, huh? by Gary Townsend. It has excellent advice on how to set up a training program to advance from the sprint to 1/2 IM distance and beyond. I used it with lots of success to do my first half two years ago and later to advance to the full IM. It is in print. I think you could order it from any bookstore, or your library may have it. Velo News also carries it. Good luck, have fun! Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I did my last tri for the year at Siesta Key.  What a nice place for a tri!      I even got a medal!!! I had a great time doing the tri’s this year and feel more fit then I’ve ever been.  Now, I want to set a loftier goal – Gulf Coast 1/2 IM in May. Can anyone offer suggestions on a training program to bring a sprint triathlete up to a 1/2 IM level??  I’m ready and willing to put in more time.  My goal is to finish. thanks LAM

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Wouldn’t miss it! Ron Urman

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Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve posted on this newsgroup.  I’m still training, though I’m still trying to lose those excess baby pounds, and baby Jake is doing great, toddling around like a little boy.  I was wondering if any of you are going to be at the Human Race in Newport Beach next weekend?  I won’t be racing, (I raced once this year, in April), but I       My husband, Brad, in his first triathlon!    That’s right, TriGal’s guy will be competing in his first-ever triathlon.  We’ve worked out an agreement whereby he is allowed to have the Human Race as "his" race, and I agree to be the support crew and babysitter.  In return, I of course retain ownership of ALL other races as "my" races!!!       So who all is gonna be there?  I’ll bring my camera and take lots of pictures of this historic event.  If I recognize you, I’ll cheer for you, too!        Regards,           TriGal  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve posted on this newsgroup.  I’m still training, though I’m still trying to lose those excess baby pounds, and baby Jake is doing great, toddling around like a little boy.  I was wondering if any of you are going to be at the Human Race in Newport Beach next weekend?  I won’t be racing, (I raced once this year, in April), but I      My husband, Brad, in his first triathlon!   That’s right, TriGal’s guy will be competing in his first-ever triathlon.  We’ve worked out an agreement whereby he is allowed to have the Human Race as "his" race, and I agree to be the support crew and babysitter.  In return, I of course retain ownership of ALL other races as "my" races!!!      So who all is gonna be there?  I’ll bring my camera and take lots of pictures of this historic event.  If I recognize you, I’ll cheer for you, too!       Regards,          TriGal  

Hi: I’ll be at the Human Race Tri on Sunday Sept 14. That’s great that your husband will be doing his first tri. I did the bike and run today, and the course is pretty humane. It should be a good first triathlon, especially with what is essentially a salt water lake swim. I’m not sure how you would recognize me, but go ahead and start looking when about two-thirds of the field has already finished. Actually, start looking after seven-twelfths of the field has finished because I think Sunday is gonna be my day! Good luck to Brad, and I hope that I somehow hook up with the both (three?) of you. E-mail me with your last name. Jeff Roberts

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Anyone know much about race conditions for new triathlon in Puerto Penasco, Sonora, Mexico?  Date of the race is April 20 at High Noon(?).   Swim is 1500m in Sea of Cortez, bike is 40K out and back from Plaza Las Glorias and the run is 10K through Puerto Penasco and finishing at Plaza Las Glorias.  Any advice about water and air temperatures and road conditions is appreciated. Pat Quigley Phoenix, Az.

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Hi all, I was wondering what the PBs and split times would be for the best olympic distance triathletes (Brad Bevan etc.) The track world record for 10K is under 27 minutes. Time for the top road racers for 10k varies from around 27:30- 28:30 (ususally africans). What would the triathletes PBs be, if they just ran a 10K road race? and what are their split times like after the swim and cycle. I would guess that the top tris could run 10k on the road in just under 30 minutes and do it in a race in just under 33 minutes. Am i well off?

Dunno about on the road, but I have seen run times at the end of a tri as low as 31 minutes(this was at the Australian Champs last year, so it was an accurate 10k). Terry

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Hi all, I was wondering what the PBs and split times would be for the best olympic distance triathletes (Brad Bevan etc.)

Kenny Souza (not Olympic distance nor a triathlete) ran 30:05 on the track at the Mt. Sac Invitational 3 or 4 years ago. QRman

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Desmond, The fastest I know of is Mark Allen’s 29 min-ish 10K, I’d guess that Lessing is in this league, with possibly Greg Welch as top dog, but I’ve not seen any details. In tris, the top guys I’ve seen are Lessing, Smith, Welch, and Bevan, all around 31 dead for flattish 10K. AF

Dan Murray, from Canada ran down just about the entire field at the ITU race in Quebec.  I think his split was 30:11, finished 4th overall after coming off the bike in 20ish spot.  He says that his road PR is only 10-15 sec. faster than his Tri PR.  Must be nice. Watch out for him at the World Duathlon Champs, the 15k of running is right up his alley. Trevor P. Masson

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Hi all, I was wondering what the PBs and split times would be for the best olympic distance triathletes (Brad Bevan etc.)

I thought I read that Mark Allen ran a 29 something 10k in New Jersey?!? T.N. Kenyon

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Hi all, I was wondering what the PBs and split times would be for the best olympic distance triathletes (Brad Bevan etc.)

Brad Bevan did a 30:09, i believe, at the ITU race recently held in Sydney Australia. regards John P

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Hi all, I was wondering what the PBs and split times would be for the best olympic distance triathletes (Brad Bevan etc.) I thought I read that Mark Allen ran a 29 something 10k in New Jersey?!? T.N. Kenyon

This might be true of course, but unfortunately most courses aren’t *exactly* 10k. Conditions, surface, turns, etc. do also apply on one’s time in the race. So the only solution to this seems to only record times that are run on an ‘athletic oval’. And not many triahtletes do that…. Peter Kassenaar

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Kassenaar) writes: This might be true of course, but unfortunately most courses aren’t *exactly* 10k. Conditions, surface, turns, etc. do also apply on one’s time in the race. So the only solution to this seems to only record times that are run on an ‘athletic oval’. And not many triahtletes do that….

This is true that all courses are not created equal, but that does not mean  that times for road races are not valid for comparison. Take the 3:30 qualifying time for Boston. Of course they will only accept times from courses that have no net loss in elevation from start to finish. Any loop course would do, and most triathlons have a course that does this.

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ii – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought I read that Mark Allen ran a 29 something 10k in New Jersey?!? T.N. Kenyon This might be true of course, but unfortunately most courses aren’t *exactly* 10k. Conditions, surface, turns, etc. do also apply on one’s time in the race. So the only solution to this seems to only record times that are run on an ‘athletic oval’. And not many triahtletes do that…. Peter Kassenaar

I agree about the conditions, but I have to disagree about the distance. Most, if not all high profile road races are highly acurate, thanks in part, I believe, to the TAC. that why when I see that a race is certified by these people I know that it is pretty acurate. triathlon could take a lesson. tj http://www.clemson.edu/~tfry T.J. Fry                  : "It takes a big man to cry, but Clemson University        : that man".-DEEP THOUGHTS by Jack Handy Men’s varsity swimming    :

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This might be true of course, but unfortunately most courses aren’t *exactly* 10k. Conditions, surface, turns, etc. do also apply on one’s time in the race. So the only solution to this seems to only record times that are run on an ‘athletic oval’. And not many triahtletes do that…. I agree about the conditions, but I have to disagree about the distance. Most, if not all high profile road races are highly acurate, thanks in part, I believe, to the TAC. that why when I see that a race is certified by these people I know that it is pretty acurate. triathlon could take a lesson. tj

Allright, This is the situation in the USA I guess. In The Netherlands -where I live-, we don’t have ‘certified races’ in triathlon. We do have an Athletic circuit, in wich race distances are certified by the KNAU (that is: the Dutch Track & Field Union). But not in triathlon. On the other hand: distances are important when you’re planning a PB, but in the race you’re just dying to get in the top-3… Peter Kassenaar (The Netherlands)

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