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Wow, when you come off a plateau, you really do it up proper!!! Congratulations on losing that 8.4 pounds. That bike really does eat the pounds off you! Elaine K 331.4/206.2/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast

Well, bless you, Father! — Alabama Worley, Hightstown, NJ, USA 234.6 (May 8,2000)/166.8 (Dec. 1, 2002)/165.6 (WAYOOYM goal) See the Amazing Shrinking Girl! http://community.webshots.com/user/lwieczez

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good grief roast, that is amazing!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Holy Toledo, Father!  8.4 pounds is amazing!!!!  Great!! — Kristin 272/234/150 WAYOOM 222

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Woohoo Father Roast, that ’s a fabulous loss ! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/116.1/2nd 10 % 108.5/Goal 68 Kg 295.6/255.9/2nd 10 % 239/Goal 150 pounds WAYOOM : 249 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Wow, that’s great! — SuzyQ 145 / 137.8 / 130 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Scared of you!!! how wonderful!!! Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Just getting caught up, Padre, and glad to see you! Congratulations on the whoosh! I was wondering what happened to you — now I know, you were out riding that bike again! LOL Tony Florida 259/245/155 (since Oct 9, ‘02) 1st 10% goal = 233; WAYOOM goal 246 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Hey, Kelvin! Good to see you back, and man, do you sound stoked! Glad you had a good time at home, too! Tony Florida 259/245/155 (since Oct 9, ‘02) 1st 10% goal = 233; WAYOOM goal 246

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175

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Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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WOW, that’s a lot! Congrats, Father Roast! — Joy 285/249.4/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I finally came off my plateau. 8.4 lbs of me has left the house. I rode my bike alot : ) — Thank you very much, Father Roast 313/ 260.6/160 HC Goal 250 WAYOOM Goal 246.6 by January 10th 10% Target 10/22/2002 OP since 9/17/2002

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Wow Kelvin, you did great over TurkeyDay!  I love trying on old clothes.. in fact I just raided my old closet at my parent’s house this weekend and got 3 sweaters and a vest that I had forgotten about. Best of luck to you in training for that triathlon.. wow.. I would never have the stamina to do such a thing.. lol, but more power to ya!  You have the determination that’s for sure!!! Take care, and keep up the good work!! — Kristin 272/234/150 WAYOOM 222

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Welcome back, Kelvin! Good luck with the triathlon training! — Joy 285/249.4/150 Started WW At Home 1/1/02 at 285 Joined WW At Work 9/24/02 at 264.4 *New 10% Target: 26 (238.4)*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Glad you had a good weekend.  I say your right about ‘nothing to lose and everything to gain’.  Goforit! — SuzyQ 145 / 137.8 / 130

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Way to go Kelvin!  Isn’t it great everyone noticed!  Good luck on training for your triathlon, keep us posted.  This is a wonderful goal! — Peggy We tend to get what we expect.–Norman Vincent Peale 251/219.5/172 10% Goal-10/24/02 Total loss: 31.5 wayoom goal-213

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Wow Kevin, a triathlon, that sounds like a great challenge ! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/117.7/2nd 10 % 108.5/Goal 68 Kg 295.6/259.5/2nd 10 % 239/Goal 150 pounds WAYOOM : 249

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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Oh, I love to hear these kind of stories where everyone notices your loss!! Soon all those old clothes that fit you now, will be too lose for you also ;-D  - and you’d have to get some more. I wish you luck on your training. You have such a good outlook on that marathon. Even doing a small section of it is really something wonderful. Enjoy your training for it. Elaine K 331.4/206.2/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my week at home for Thanksgiving was *great*! Everyone in my family really noticed my weight loss. I think I must have inspired at least 5 others to lose weight. My friends, whom I also had a great time with, of course weren’t straight out telling me "you lost weight!" but they all atleast said "looking great man!" I also tried out OLD clothes, from as far back as middle school, and it was all fitting! It was the greatest feeling. Second thing. I took on a major commitment this week. I have decided to participate in a half-ironman triathlon this summer. For those of you who don’t know what this is, it is 1.2 miles swimming, 56 miles biking, and 13.1 miles running all in one day! This is an outrageous challenge for me to take on, and it is something I will have to train very hard for. However, I am excited to do so. I went running this morning, and plan to go again tomorrow. The way I see it, finish the triathlon or not, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I’m very excited about training for it!! So that’s that. Watching my eating this break was hard, but I kept it to relative good level. Though I did go over my points almost every day, I exercised some too. But now I am totally back on schedule, with inspiration and journaling on my side! So that’s my thanksgiving story. Hope everyone else’s weekend was great too! Have a great day, and as always, thank you for listening. — Kelvin Jones – http://kelvinjones.is.dreaming.org 235/205/175 Computer Science, Class of 2004       | "Don’t worry about life; Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign |   you’re not going to                                        |    survive anyway "

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David Preston wrote Which tire is the best for flat resistance. I’ve tried IRC Triathlon; it worked well!

Ive used Conti. GP’s for years and had very few punctures.  The trick is to make sure they are mounted properly in the first instance. triboynz

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Vredestein Volante is without a doubt the best "flat resistant" tire I have ever been on. They wear forever, also. They only come in 700’s, however. I hit a rock and punctured a Conti tire and tube a while back. I put these on to replace the Contis. Next group ride, I nailed a brick some people did not point out. Nothing, nada, no flat. I cannot remember flatting on them. If you need 650’s, the Fortezza is a better racing tire, but not as bullet proof as the Volante, IMHO. http://www.vredesteinusa.com/ Tim

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I had a shop sell me a Specialized Armadillo (clincher wire). It is supposedly bullet proof, kevlar, etc. I have changed at least 100 flats in my life and I could not get this tire on the fricking rim. I wrecked two sets of tire tools trying to mount it. I took it back to the shop and after 1/2 an hour, and tweaking my rim; they gave me my money back and trued my rim for free. Really!

I had the opposite problem…  I had FIVE flats in the state hill climb championship (but my buddy and I were the only ones entered in the 70+ tandem category, so we are state champs anyway). The next weekend, we went for the state TT championship (and had been training at well over state record speeds).  I didn’t want to repeat the disaster of the previous event, so I put on a pair of Armadillo 26mm tires.  We warmed up about 2 miles with them and *POW*.  The rear one blew off the rim (covering the rear of the bike and my poor stoker with slime – did I mention I was trying to avoid flats?).  So I put in the only other (lightweight) tube I had and we made it a whopping 1.62 miles before flatting the rear again. Found out talking to another tandem rider that they won’t stay on at the rated pressure (120psi), which is needed for a twofer.   So now I’m running the Conti Gatorskins, and so far, so good.  They certainly SEEM to seat better, and SEEM to roll a bit better – but I haven’t gotten many miles on the tandem lately (can’t convince anyone to ride it – they’re scared of walking it seems….).  ;-) Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

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Which tire is the best for flat resistance. I’ve tried IRC Triathlon; it worked well!

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I have a fried that swears by Specialized when it comes to resising flats.

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I had a shop sell me a Specialized Armadillo (clincher wire). It is supposedly bullet proof, kevlar, etc. I have changed at least 100 flats in my life and I could not get this tire on the fricking rim. I wrecked two sets of tire tools trying to mount it. I took it back to the shop and after 1/2 an hour, and tweaking my rim; they gave me my money back and trued my rim for free. Really! Needless to sa, I went to another shop, Preformance bike. I bought a set of their house brand tires. They have been OK but I am going back to Continentials as soon as I burn through these babies, about another 200 miles. I don’t remember ever flatting on my Continentials. I bought the Armadillo because I ride some sections of dirt trail to get to a few of my more favorite rides from where I live and thought I should have a better tire. Anyway, I think weight should be the real criteria for race day. Most any tire on the market should make it through a race. P.S. After my trials and tribulations of mounting (or trying to mount) the Armadillo I discovered a few things. Mounting new tires, I warm them up with a blow dryer first. Then they go on real easy. Also, found a mounting tool that is just for the last part of pulling a tire on the rim. Hard to explain exactly how it works but it looks sort of like a pair of tongs (like in the kitchen). One side has a little indented foot to sit on the rim on the already mounted side. The other side is a little longer and has a hook that you grab the tire with and just yank it right on to the rim. It’s killer. BW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a fried that swears by Specialized when it comes to resising flats. Which tire is the best for flat resistance. I’ve tried IRC Triathlon; it worked well!

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New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

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Been there, done that.  I’m not a doc, but you may have a stress fracture.  See the doc.  Your orthotics and/or shoes may need to be changed. Both times I had a stress fracture it took me 16 weeks to recover.  I trained lightly throughout, but only really felt better in the last 4 weeks or so each time.  Sounds like my problems were not as painful as yours, though, so maybe you would be better avised to lay off until you get medical advice (which I never got but would have gotten had the pain been worse or had I not started to heal over time–in my case I didn’t want someone to tell me not to run!). Whether you can run or not, perhaps you can ride and swim and keep your conditioning that way. –Lee Crumbaugh (Tri-Hard) New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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My golden rule for shinsplints:  they will nearly always go away, If you consult a competent physical therapist with a running clientele.  Get a referral from the chief of the Athletic Treatment Center of the nearest university to you with a decent track and field program. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:38 AM Message from the Deja.com forum:  rec.sport.triathlon  Your subscription is set to individual email delivery New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy. Shin-splints are the pits! During last summer I was on a constant diet of ibuprofen just so I could race once a fortnight. My shin-splints were so bad at the beginning of the year that if I ran down the road, I would wake in the night with the pain. There also seems to be a disproportionate amount of nonsense spouted about them too – so take my advice with a pinch of salt. How is running without your orthotics? I have seen people with knee problems use orthotics for that reason only to develop shin-splints. From what I have experienced and seen in others, I’d say that most shin-splints are caused by a misalignment of the fore-foot relative to the heal. Hence if you have an over pronating heal causing knee problems and correct this, you may end up with your fore-foot misaligned. If you have flat feet, you may find that your fore-foot is more pronated than your heel – this would cause medial splints. My golden rules of shin-splints: 1. They never really go away 2. Use ibuprofen gell frequently – to bring down swelling as well as ease the pain 3. Orthoses can help but usually don’t 4. Don’t run so much 5. If you must run – WARM UP THOSE SHINS!!! 6. If you must run do bricks 7. (this one may not work for you – but it does for me) better to do one fifteen mile run a week than three five mile runs – my shin-splints seem to be cumulative, so it is best to let the swelling go down. 8. loose some weight — Baker Atlas GEOScience      Tel: +44 (0)208 202 2433 154 Brent Street,           FAX: +44 (0)208 202 2287 London, NW4 2DR, ENGLAND.   WWW: http://www.zands.com  Deja.com: Before you buy.  * To modify or remove your subscription, go to  * Read this thread at

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Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that shin splints are caused by a muscle imbalance–the calf muscle overpowers the muscle that opposes it (since muscles always work in pairs) and begins to pull at the bone, causing the pain. Running stairs or a similar motion–like toe-lifts off of a step–strengthens the opposing muscle and should clear up the pain in a week or so. If you’re a new runner, get ahold of a good book about athletic injury prevention–mine has saved me months of grief over the years!

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New runner, 2.5months ago started having medial shin pain, stopped me from running and hurt to even walk at times. Stopped all running. I have resumed light jogging for a week and the pain is right back where it left off,(3runs in one week every other day one mile ea) has’nt missed a beat. I could scream. I plan on seeing a podiatrist soon as I can to see what in the heck is going on. Good shoes, flat footed but I think my orthotics are sufficient, will see what the doc says. thx much Before you buy.

Shin-splints are the pits! During last summer I was on a constant diet of ibuprofen just so I could race once a fortnight. My shin-splints were so bad at the beginning of the year that if I ran down the road, I would wake in the night with the pain. There also seems to be a disproportionate amount of nonsense spouted about them too – so take my advice with a pinch of salt. How is running without your orthotics? I have seen people with knee problems use orthotics for that reason only to develop shin-splints. From what I have experienced and seen in others, I’d say that most shin-splints are caused by a misalignment of the fore-foot relative to the heal. Hence if you have an over pronating heal causing knee problems and correct this, you may end up with your fore-foot misaligned. If you have flat feet, you may find that your fore-foot is more pronated than your heel – this would cause medial splints. My golden rules of shin-splints: 1. They never really go away 2. Use ibuprofen gell frequently – to bring down swelling as well as ease the pain 3. Orthoses can help but usually don’t 4. Don’t run so much 5. If you must run – WARM UP THOSE SHINS!!! 6. If you must run do bricks 7. (this one may not work for you – but it does for me) better to do one fifteen mile run a week than three five mile runs – my shin-splints seem to be cumulative, so it is best to let the swelling go down. 8. loose some weight — Baker Atlas GEOScience      Tel: +44 (0)208 202 2433 154 Brent Street,           FAX: +44 (0)208 202 2287 London, NW4 2DR, ENGLAND.   WWW: http://www.zands.com

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I’m convinced that the ‘net has had a lot to do with the increased popularity of long-distance triathlon.  Before RST and DRS and other such expansive forums, it was harder for triathletes to find one another and communicate as much and as easily on a daily basis.  This wide-open and widely available forum has enabled triathletes to hear others’ stories of the IM distance, to share training advice, and to make the challenge of Ironman seem much more attainable and realistic for the average Joe.

It would be nice to think we have such power, but my experience doesn’t back up such an impression.  I know two worlds of triathletes: the seemingly little community of RST, composed apparently of quite like-minded men and a few women, and the great big real-world of triathletes of all different persuasions, who have never heard of this cyber-village and are not interested.  Of the 1500 athletes participating in IMH, were there a dozen from RST?  That hardly suggests an influence from us.  Frankly, the race reports I have read here tend, more often than not, to scare me off.  Perhaps it is for the sake of more drama that some races have been presented as hellish, but I suspect that more than a few readers have crossed those races off their lists.  For political reasons, I wish our voice were significant, but I don’t really think the ITU is perking up its ear when we speak. Ruth Kazez

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I’m convinced that the ‘net has had a lot to do with the increased popularity of long-distance triathlon.  Before RST and DRS and other such expansive forums, it was harder for triathletes to find one another and communicate as much and as easily on a daily basis.  This wide-open and widely available forum has enabled triathletes to hear others’ stories of the IM distance, to share training advice, and to make the challenge of Ironman seem much more attainable and realistic for the average Joe.

Well, for what it is worth. I wouldn’t have known about IMUSA or talked my buddy into going with me if it were not for hearing about it on this newsgroup. cheers,  Bob Walter

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One of my friends just tried to sign up for Lake Placid IM. She was told that the race is already full and that there is now a wait list. That was pretty quick. Cathy

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One of my friends just tried to sign up for Lake Placid IM. She was told that the race is already full and that there is now a wait list.

Cathy, It is my understanding they are not going to do a wait list.  Instead they have increased the number of spots to 1750.  According to there web site there were 285 spots left on Oct 26th. Regardless it indeed filled up fast.  Personally it will be my first Ironman and i cant wait. Rob

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One of my friends just tried to sign up for Lake Placid IM. She was told that the race is already full and that there is now a wait list. Cathy, It is my understanding they are not going to do a wait list.  Instead they have increased the number of spots to 1750.  According to there web site there were 285 spots left on Oct 26th.

Unbelievable!! A first-time event, and it’s filled within two months of its announcement, nine months before the event itself! I think this speaks volumes about the health of the sport—at least, the long-distance version of it.  Of course, it also strongly reflects the esteem in which the Ironman Canada race organization is held:  triathletes know that with Graham Fraser at the helm, IMUSA is sure to be a first class event, even its first time out. I’m convinced that the ‘net has had a lot to do with the increased popularity of long-distance triathlon.  Before RST and DRS and other such expansive forums, it was harder for triathletes to find one another and communicate as much and as easily on a daily basis.  This wide-open and widely available forum has enabled triathletes to hear others’ stories of the IM distance, to share training advice, and to make the challenge of Ironman seem much more attainable and realistic for the average Joe. I’ve said it numerous times before, but I know for a fact that I never would have attempted an Ironman myself without the influence, inspiration, and support of the members of RST.  I’m certain that the ‘net has opened the eyes of many another average trigeek who never before would have considered Ironman as an option, but who then found on the ‘net stories and support from athletes across the country and around the world that inspired him to try it.  No, RST and the other forums can’t take full credit for this explosive growth, but I do believe they have had an enormous impact. Very cool. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Steve Fleck writes For a 1/2 Ironman, the reality is that only the hardcore triathlete is going to show up.

Damn right!!!  I’ll see you there!!!

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   …<snip… It is becoming apparent that the skills and fitness needed to be competitive at the Olympic distance and record the times you mentioned, are related to but very different than the ones needed to do well at the Ironman distance… While challenging, getting to the finishline of an Olympic distance race is not quite in the same league as an Ironman…

But of course, just finishing the race doesn’t get you an IQ spot anywhere (with a couple special exceptions). Being a damn fast triathlete gets you an IQ spot. There are two different issues being debated here. One is whether or not an olympic distance race should be an IQ or not. That’s certainly a valid topic for debate (although it’s WTC’s race and they can pass out their spots any way they choose, it’s more than that too and I hope that they do listen to the community input when making such decisions). The other topic that Ken introduced is what was inflammatory and, IMHO, absurd. That is that these IQ’s "diminish" IMH and that someone who qualified at an olympic distance race should be "somewhat embarrassed" to be be there. The men and women who qualified for IMH at an olympic distance race did what everyone else who qualified at a race did. They went to an official, advertised IQ race, performed extraordinarily well over the advertised distance, and _earned_ their slot. Debate the distance issue all you want. Frankly, not having expectations of ever qualifying at any distance nor enough relevant longer distance race experience, I don’t have a basis for really strong feelings on that one way or the other. But I know that those folks out in Kona who got there via St A’s, Memphis, Mrs T’s, etc. earned their spots just as surely as anyone else. Debate whether slots should exist for those races if you will but don’t diminish the accomplishments of those who went there and won them.   — Chuck    Department of Biology,  University of Alabama at Birmingham             http://www.uab.edu/uabbio/amsler.htm

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IMHO, from what I can tell its a bit more difficult to qualify for IMH at St.A’s than at Ironman Canada, given the competition and rolldowns.  If you are that fast to qualify at an Olypic distance than you should be at IMH.  I prefer longer races and training at longer distances, becuase that is my strength, I get faster as I go along on both the bike and run, but we are all made up differently.

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The Ironman itself is dimished when it allows a short version race to be an IQ. <snip Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race. See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly.

Gee, Ken, all that sure sounds like flame bait to me, did you intend it to be so? There are some other things you might consider. The expense of traveling is just one of them. The wear and tear of doing multiple qualifiers in one season, all half IM distance, when you might save your body a little bit by qualifying at an olympic distance, is another one. For those of us who are not gifted enough to be in the top 5 percent of our age groups, we have to go to numerous qualifiers to improve our chances to qualify. We are going to whatever race, whatever distance. We don’t have the mentality of "oh, a wimpy little olympic distance, just a little training race, I’ll go there because it’s just SOOO easy." I think you’re way off base by stating that olympic distance is not a challenge. Have you been to age group nationals lately? Have you seen how intense and how close in times the competition is in each age group? It takes a tremendous fitness level to excel at the olympic distance. This is the same outstanding fitness level that is required to train and race any IM distance. Maybe you have not had to work hard to qualify for Hawaii? So you don’t understand what most of us go through when we are not the top 5 pecent of our age group and still want to qualify? Cathy Corning

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Cathy: I couldn’t have said it better, so all I will say is that I agree 100%. I consistently finish in the top 10%-15%, yet I have very little chance of qualifying!! Andy Weissel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Ironman itself is dimished when it allows a short version race to be an IQ. <snip Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race. See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly. Gee, Ken, all that sure sounds like flame bait to me, did you intend it to be so? There are some other things you might consider. The expense of traveling is just one of them. The wear and tear of doing multiple qualifiers in one season, all half IM distance, when you might save your body a little bit by qualifying at an olympic distance, is another one. For those of us who are not gifted enough to be in the top 5 percent of our age groups, we have to go to numerous qualifiers to improve our chances to qualify. We are going to whatever race, whatever distance. We don’t have the mentality of "oh, a wimpy little olympic distance, just a little training race, I’ll go there because it’s just SOOO easy." I think you’re way off base by stating that olympic distance is not a challenge. Have you been to age group nationals lately? Have you seen how intense and how close in times the competition is in each age group? It takes a tremendous fitness level to excel at the olympic distance. This is the same outstanding fitness level that is required to train and race any IM distance. Maybe you have not had to work hard to qualify for Hawaii? So you don’t understand what most of us go through when we are not the top 5 pecent of our age group and still want to qualify? Cathy Corning

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Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race… Boy, me too. Imagine being there on Dig Me Beach this weekend and having to admit that I’d gone 2:01 at St A’s or Memphis this year and taken one of those wimpy IQ slots in my age group. Gosh, anybody can do that. Oh, the shame, the shame…

No, not anyne can go 2:01, but anyone who wins their age group can go, it doesn’t have to be 2:01. If you can go 2:01, fine, but you still did it over a 1/4 Im distance. It is not a factor of speed, it is a factor of challenge that at least pushes the athlete beyond speed into a zone that at least mimics in some fashion the challenge you may face at IM. Boulder Peak does not do that. Desert Sun does. There is no question there. The fact of BP taking the IM IQ spots from Desert Sun is one of profile and politics. Boulder Peak is highly successful, even without having added the duathlon option. Ken

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I shouldn’t respond because it prolongs this (probably) useless discussion. Every distance is challenging for different reasons. IMO the shorter races hurt more & are more unforgiving when it comes to mistakes. The longer ones are more discomforting, not the same kind of pain as in short/fast races. I like them all, for different reasons. All the athletes deserve respect in finishing high in their age group or overall. IMO the shorter races should not be qualifiers for Ironman. Just makes sense. I don’t mean to take anything away from the great races that are put on yearly. I wish they all could exist & make RD’s enough money to keep them in the business. I’m not saying that the entry fees should continue their current course, though(different thread).      My real reason for this long post is that nobody should be blaming the Boulder Peak for "stealing" the IQ spots from Desert Sun. It is in the best interest for race directors to pursue these spots. I never thought that BP spots would "come" from another race, as naive as that sounds, so when I heard it might happen I thought "great, 2 IQ’s in Colorado". It is unfortunate that everyone who wants to go to Kona can’t. It is also unfortunate that all good races cannot be qualifiers. Hopefully next year, as in the past, I(we) can enjoy both races(DS & BP) for many reasons besides qualifer status. Good luck to all in your racing, for whatever reason. andy

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Do you even realize the kind of physical power it takes to go fast at an olympic distance race?  If you go slow, of course it’s easy.

Oh, I realize. I am not wiithout experience. I always go fast as I can, but that distance is no where near as taxing as a 1/2 IM, no matter how fast you go. Frankly, I’m disgusted that anyone would dare to suggest that qualifying for IMH at an olympic distance race is embarassing.  Get there any way you can

I’d rather see it earned in a 1/2 IM than an Olympic distance race. There are only so many IM IQ spots to go around in a season, they are finite. That is my only reason for the post on this subject. Seeing as how both these races are in Colorado, and I live in Colorado, I would rather see the spots go to the Desert Sun. I race both races, so it shouldn’t even matter to me, but – it does. Ken

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There are some other things you might consider. The expense of traveling is just one of them. The wear and tear of doing multiple qualifiers in one season, all half IM distance, when you might save your body a little bit by qualifying at an olympic distance, is another one. For those of us who are not gifted enough to be in the top 5 percent of our age groups, we have to go to numerous qualifiers to improve our chances to qualify. We are going to whatever race, whatever distance. We don’t have the mentality of "oh, a wimpy little olympic distance, just a little training race, I’ll go there because it’s just SOOO easy."

Hey cathy, I go through all the above myself. And top 5% doesn’t cut it to qualify for IM. Believe me. And with this situation; BP vs Deasert Sun, they are both in Colorado, so the traveling is not a point if you are only going to do one of them. I think you’re way off base by stating that olympic distance is not a challenge. Have you been to age group nationals lately? Have you seen how intense and how close in times the competition is in each age group? It takes a tremendous fitness level to excel at the olympic distance. This is the same outstanding fitness level that is required to train and race any IM distance.

I am not saying that Olympic distance is not competitive. I am not saying times are not close. I am saying that the distance is NOT a challenge to complete, even at a reasonable speed. A 1/2 IM is.. Maybe you have not had to work hard to qualify for Hawaii? So you don’t understand what most of us go through when we are not the top 5 pecent of our age group and still want to qualify?

Oh, I understand. I have NOT qualified. Wildflower, Buffalo Springs Lake, Desert Sun. The previous year Buff Springs and Vineman. I do have to work hard. Last two years 4th my age group in BP, so I would not make it there either. Trying to keep Desert Sun as an IQ over BP does not stack the deck in any way for me. It is a philospohical thing to believe that IQ should be in 1/2 IM distances when available over the shorter distances. Ken

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   …<snip… Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race…

Boy, me too. Imagine being there on Dig Me Beach this weekend and having to admit that I’d gone 2:01 at St A’s or Memphis this year and taken one of those wimpy IQ slots in my age group. Gosh, anybody can do that. Oh, the shame, the shame…   — Chuck [ 8^), but only a little...]    Department of Biology,  University of Alabama at Birmingham             http://www.uab.edu/uabbio/amsler.htm

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It is strange that even if someone qualifies at BP or Memphis in May that they must then have a verifiable completion of a 1/2 ironman distance that season to actually get into IM.

That is not quite true.  If you qualify at a race, you are in.  If you win a lottery slot, THEN you have to complete a 1/2 IM to actually get in. John Welch

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Fleck writes For a 1/2 Ironman, the reality is that only the hardcore triathlete is going to show up. Exactly, Steve, and those are the people who are vying for IM spots at those events. The Ironman itself is dimished when it allows a short version race to be an IQ. It is strange that even if someone qualifies at BP or Memphis in May that they must then have a verifiable completion of a 1/2 ironman distance that season to actually get into IM. Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race. See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly. Ken Lotze

This has got to be the silliest thing I have ever heard.  Do you even realize the kind of physical power it takes to go fast at an olympic distance race?  If you go slow, of course it’s easy.  I won’t make the (obviously ridiculous) counterargument that an IM distance race is "not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly" since it is really too slow to be called a race, and it is not really a race anyway, just a war of attrition. I’ll bet that Chris McCormack (among scores of others) would be particularly amused by your remarks.  Imagine, if you will, coming out of the water at an olympic distance race in eighteen minutes, going through the bike leg in fifty, and still having the legs to run 31 minutes for ten kilometers, maybe faster. Naw, too easy. Do you think that any distance runner in their right mind would consider skipping a track meet because the mile is "not a significant challenge"?  Naw, that 4:00 mile is too easy.  That 13:30 5k just isn’t challenging.  Let me at a three hour marathon any day. Frankly, I’m disgusted that anyone would dare to suggest that qualifying for IMH at an olympic distance race is embarassing.  Get there any way you can, and then show them what you’ve got.  Better for you if you qualified at a short race. You’ve got the speed to kick some serious ass. Whew.  Sorry for that rant.  Have a good time at Ironman, everyone. Will

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Will, I think what ken was alluding to was the fact that while an Olympic distance race and an Ironman are similar they are not exactly the same event.Would/could someone qualify for the National Championships or Olympic Trials in the 10,000m by running a 1500m race? A few years ago, the best short course triathletes in the world were also the best ironman distance triathletes in the world. Molina, Scott, Allan and Tinley would win races at any distance. However over the last five years athletes have been specializing and focussing on one event or the other. It is a rare athlete that can currently claim to be at the top of their game at both distances within the same year(Greg Welch?) Even Allan addmitted as much a few years ago when just prior to winning his final time at IMH ie. he was in great shape, he was trounced in a world class Olympic distance race, claiming that he could not keep up with these guys. It is becoming apparent that the skills and fitness needed to be competitive at the Olympic distance and record the times you mentioned, are related to but very different than the ones needed to do well at the Ironman distance. While the Ironman races are getting more and more competitive, with some close finishes recently( Reid & Legh 5 sec apart at IMA in April), most Ironman races, with all due respect, and despite the glory that many heap upon them, are races of attrition. As you point out, to "race" an ironman is a bit of a misnomer. Even many of the big guns will admit that just getting to the finish line is an accomplishment and the only real stimulus that keeps them going.While challenging, getting to the finishline of an Olympic distance race is not quite in the same league as an Ironman. Perhaps that is why then that many are not that happy about Olympic distance races being qualifiers for IMH. Just a thought. Steve Fleck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Fleck writes For a 1/2 Ironman, the reality is that only the hardcore triathlete is going to show up. Exactly, Steve, and those are the people who are vying for IM spots at those events. The Ironman itself is dimished when it allows a short version race to be an IQ. It is strange that even if someone qualifies at BP or Memphis in May that they must then have a verifiable completion of a 1/2 ironman distance that season to actually get into IM. Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race. See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly. Ken Lotze This has got to be the silliest thing I have ever heard.  Do you even realize the kind of physical power it takes to go fast at an olympic distance race?  If you go slow, of course it’s easy.  I won’t make the (obviously ridiculous) counterargument that an IM distance race is "not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly" since it is really too slow to be called a race, and it is not really a race anyway, just a war of attrition. I’ll bet that Chris McCormack (among scores of others) would be particularly amused by your remarks.  Imagine, if you will, coming out of the water at an olympic distance race in eighteen minutes, going through the bike leg in fifty, and still having the legs to run 31 minutes for ten kilometers, maybe faster. Naw, too easy. Do you think that any distance runner in their right mind would consider skipping a track meet because the mile is "not a significant challenge"?  Naw, that 4:00 mile is too easy.  That 13:30 5k just isn’t challenging.  Let me at a three hour marathon any day. Frankly, I’m disgusted that anyone would dare to suggest that qualifying for IMH at an olympic distance race is embarassing.  Get there any way you can, and then show them what you’ve got.  Better for you if you qualified at a short race. You’ve got the speed to kick some serious ass. Whew.  Sorry for that rant.  Have a good time at Ironman, everyone. Will

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See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly. Ken Lotze

I just wonder what the logic is behind taking spots from a hot, humid, demanding course and giving them to a race like Boulder Peak. I like BP, very nice race and all. This whole thing just seems awfully political to me. — Clay T

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Steve Fleck writes For a 1/2 Ironman, the reality is that only the hardcore

triathlete is going to show up. Exactly, Steve, and those are the people who are vying for IM spots at those events. The Ironman itself is dimished when it allows a short version race to be an IQ. It is strange that even if someone qualifies at BP or Memphis in May that they must then have a verifiable completion of a 1/2 ironman distance that season to actually get into IM. Personally, I would be somewhat embarassed to go to IM and then tell people that I had qualified at a short distnace race. See you all at the 1/2 ironman distances. These are the ones that test us as triathletes. BP, etc.  is a training distance, still fun, but not a significant challenge for anyone training and racing tris regularly. Ken Lotze

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Race Day’s been used at several races I’ve done here out East.  Doesn’t taste great, but so far I’ve not had any stomach troubles with it.  The only place I’ve seen it is in the Performance (or maybe nashbar, I forget) catalog — so far as I know, only available in powder. Mike in DC —                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           / "Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day.  Teach him how to fish and he’ll sit in a boat  and drink beer all day."

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I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken Ken— It is NOT ORS this year, it is a product called Race Day.  Sorry, I don’t know where to get a hold of it to train with.  Anyone else know?

In the US, you can mail order it direct from the manufacturer (Internutria). http://www.internutriasports.com/ 888-459-2376 Colorodo Cyclist also sells it. 800-688-8600. -Ekr [Eric Rescorla                             Terisa Systems, Inc.]                 "Put it in the top slot."

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I know……. The product, Race Day, along with ProHydrator and ProEnhancer, are made by Internutria Sports. Their Website can be found at: http://www.internutriasports.com/index2.htm

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It is NOT ORS this year, it is a product called Race Day.  Sorry, I don’t know where to get a hold of it to train with.  Anyone else know?

 You can also buy it at: www.athletica.com — Tri Your Hardest!   /O     ___o      o  ~~~~   _ <,_    <|        (*)/ (*)      / Darrin Bartlett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is NOT ORS this year, it is a product called Race Day.  Sorry, I don’t know where to get a hold of it to train with.  Anyone else know? You can also buy it at: www.athletica.com — Tri Your Hardest!  /O     ___o      o ~~~~   _ <,_    <|       (*)/ (*)      / Darrin Bartlett

In the Bay area they have individual packets of Race Day available  at The Runner’s High in Los Altos and Menlo Park.   Kinda tasted like Cytomax to me, but not as good – salt and sweet  flavors were not well blended.   -steveb  

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: The only place I’ve seen it is in the Performance (or maybe nashbar, I forget) : catalog — so far as I know, only available in powder. – I wish big races like IMH, IMC, etc,  would use products that are

     a bit more mainstream and easy to aquire.  Once I know what the      products-de-jour will be, I will do my best as a consumer to purchase      and promote the products.      As an example; last year I think IMC used PowerAide.  Since this      product was generally available in convience stores, I would stop      to buy, and do a bit of point selling while I was there.  I would      openly talk about the qualities of this fine product.  I doubt my      1-man advertising campaign had any effect on gross sales volume.      But I did what I could to promote the product, because as a company,      they were supporting my sport.  Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~twm/TTH.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The only place I’ve seen it is in the Performance (or maybe nashbar, I forget) : catalog — so far as I know, only available in powder. – I wish big races like IMH, IMC, etc,  would use products that are      a bit more mainstream and easy to aquire.  Once I know what the      products-de-jour will be, I will do my best as a consumer to purchase      and promote the products.      As an example; last year I think IMC used PowerAide.  Since this      product was generally available in convience stores, I would stop      to buy, and do a bit of point selling while I was there.  I would      openly talk about the qualities of this fine product.  I doubt my      1-man advertising campaign had any effect on gross sales volume.      But I did what I could to promote the product, because as a company,      they were supporting my sport.

Actually, in ‘97 it was AllSport, not PowerAde.  And it is again this year.  The trouble is that the version "generally available in convenience stores" is a pre-mixed, bottled, and slightly carbonated version; it’s a bloody pain in the rear to get a hold of any of the stuff in powdered form, as it is used at IMC. Why doesn’t Cytomax sponsor one of these big races??  I guess they don’t need to, they’ve already got a well-established (and loyal) customer base. Darn it. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I found the stuff to taste good- but it is way too expensive- you have to use nearly 2 scoops to get any flavor out of it, and it costs more per can that Cytomax and others.  In my book, its not the best bang for the buck, but if you are doing Hawaii, i would suggest getting used to it before the race.  There was a lot of it on the road last year (and i’m not talking about spillage in the aid stations !) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken

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Race Day’s been used at several races I’ve done here out East.  Doesn’t taste great, but so far I’ve not had any stomach troubles with it.  

FWIW, I not only have had no stomach problems using it full strength in hard workouts and a couple of races, but to prove that one’s mileage does vary, I find the taste quite pleasant.  I’ve had good responses ordering it from the manufacturer (others have posted the URL). It gets shipped very quickly from Road Runner Sports with no shipping charge.   — Chuck    Department of Biology,  University of Alabama at Birmingham             http://www.uab.edu/uabbio/amsler.htm

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Race Day is available at GNC,  at least the one here on Kauai.   I need to start using it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken

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Race Day is the Official Fluid Replacement of Ironman Triathlon.  It is available at GNC, and most better Running stores and Bike shops in the United States.  It is also available through the  Road Runner Sports, Nytro, Colorado Cyclist, Performance Bike, Dexter Sports Science, Personal Best Nutrition and Athletica catalogs or internet sites.  For more info call 1-888- 459-2376 Tom Cox – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Race Day is available at GNC,  at least the one here on Kauai.   I need to start using it. I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken

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I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken

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I believe that the sport drink at this years Ironman is still ORS. I haven’t used it yet. It’s not readily availiable here. What’s it like? Does it compare to Gatorade or Allsport as far as taste and sweetness? Anyone in Ontario know of a local source? Kona Ken

Ken— It is NOT ORS this year, it is a product called Race Day.  Sorry, I don’t know where to get a hold of it to train with.  Anyone else know? Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I’d love to know the name and details of the first female to go the distance? Anyone know? Bruce Ackman "Very funny, Scotty.  Now beam down my clothes."

Try this website: http://www.ilhawaii.net/~m_gleaf/results/ironman/ironman.html I would have to think this was the first female since it was one the first IM races in Hawaii.  Her data:  Lyn Lemaire      1:16:20        6:30:00        5:10:00        12:55:38 — All comments and opinions expressed are those of my employer and not my own.  Please sue them and leave me out of it. Tod Meinke

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I’d love to know the name and details of the first female to go the distance? Anyone know? Bruce Ackman "Very funny, Scotty.  Now beam down my clothes."

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| I’d love to know the name and details of the first | female to go the distance? In, I believe, the latest issue of Triathlete – the one which chronicles the history of IMH – they mention the name of the first woman finisher. I believe it was in the second year of the race, so, assuming there were no other Ironman distance races in the interim, she would also have been the first ever to complete such a race. ..however, I don’t have the mag with me, so I don’t have her name. | Bruce Ackman | "Very funny, Scotty.  Now beam down my clothes." — Chris Passier           | splish splash.. splish splash.. splish splash.. Nortel Technologies     | squeak creak.. squeak creak.. squeak creak.. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | flap flap puff.. flap flap puff.. flap flap puff

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I’d love to know the name and details of the first female to go the distance? Anyone know? Bruce Ackman

The latest Triathlete mag has the name of Lynn Lemaire as being the first woman to enter the Ironman.  The year appears to be 1979, no other info is given regarding her successful ?? completion of the distance. -mark Mark Tri-Man Linenberg                                   o                  __O_/          </_      /o_                    __/ http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~mlinenb/

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Hi there,         Anyone know what the Euroman Results were??? I am thinking about doing next year, first Ironman to boot and was curious to know who won?? I have looked everywhere I can’t find nothing, not even the Euroman website!!! Thanks in adavnce. Chris — Chris Carpenter. Duathlon is run..bike..run…Just Du It!!

Men: 1. Alexander Taubert from Darmstadt, Germany    8:28 2. Olivier Bernard ,Sui Women:           1. Heike Funk Germany                           9:46 This race is a good alternative to the Ironman in Roth,Germany.         Stefan

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Hi there,         Anyone know what the Euroman Results were??? I am thinking about doing next year, first Ironman to boot and was curious to know who won?? I have looked everywhere I can’t find nothing, not even the Euroman website!!! Thanks in adavnce. Chris — Chris Carpenter. Duathlon is run..bike..run…Just Du It!!

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I think it was called the "Whistlestopper" Duathlon, or something like that.  Top men were Alec Rukosuev (winner of the Florida Powerman a couple of weeks ago), Greg Watson (3rd or 4th there, I think), and Spencer Smith 2 X Men’s World Triathlon Champion (went to Florida Powerman, got food poisoning the night before, did not race). 5km X 30km X 5km First, run, Smith first in, Watson and Rukosuev :06 back. After the bike, Smith first in, Watson and Rukosuev 2:30 back. At the finish: Men 1.  Smith Women 1.  Nancy Riedel (Also won the Florida Powerman in the women’s division). Let’s see, I believe that’s two sweeps for QR (from what I hear secondhand, although I could be wrong). I would not want to race Spencer Smith right now.  He reminds me a whole lot of Lance Armstrong on the bike, except maybe stronger.  I don’t necessarily mean faster, but somehow stronger (5′11", 180 lb.).  I have often wondered how professional boxers feel when they are about to get into the ring with Mike Tyson.  If there were a multi-sport equivalent to that feeling, I predict some pros will feel that way this year, if Spencer is able to finally put an entire season together. QRman

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Women 1.  Nancy Riedel (Also won the Florida Powerman in the women’s division).

You seemed to neglect the second place finisher in the womens race, Jolene Pfulb, former Junior National Chamion, and three time national team member. So what if she wan’t riding one of your bikes. —arr—

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by the way I wan’t trying to be nasty or anything in the last post, sorry if it seamed that way. Jolene is just a really good friend of mine. –arr—

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snip<< My other question relates to Tri-Fed membership apps.  I sent one of the cards from Triathlete magazine in the first week in January applying for 1995 Tri-Fed membership.  I haven’t heard anything yet.  Does anybody have a phone number I can call to ask about the matter? Thanks for any info. Suzanne

Suzanne: Call Steve Locke at Tri Fed..(719) 597-9090. If that doesn’r get you immediate help. E-mail me and I’ll help. Scott Zagarino

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I need some information about Ironman Canada from you folks who have done the race before.

Check out the info at: http://iac.net/~miller/triathlon-home.html

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