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A question here for more experienced folks– What do you all do about HRM chafing? Body Glide? What about rashes? I tend to get an annoying rash under my transmitter if I wear it every time I train, and can get some chafing on runs as well. Others I know who use HRM’s don’t seem to have this problem, and so can’t give any advice. What do you all do?

Body glide. It also seems to be a case of getting your skin accustomed to the strap.  Once it adjusts, it doesn’t chafe so badly any more.  Since I’ve only been wearing my HRM sporadically this year, though, I do tend to get the chafing—my skin hasn’t been able to "toughen" up! TriBaby                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Mike, what, exactly, do you mean by "training smartly"? (Asking for clarification not challenging!) Phil (Finland is my third home) Squire

| Throw it out! You don’t need it. I’ve gotten faster over the past few | years without my HRM. I lost it a few years ago and never bothered with | another one – yet my times continue to come down when I concentrate on | training smartly. | |  A question here for more experienced folks– | | What do you all do about HRM chafing? Body Glide? What about rashes? I | tend to get an annoying rash under my transmitter if I wear it every | time I train, and can get some chafing on runs as well. Others I know | who use HRM’s don’t seem to have this problem, and so can’t give any | advice. What do you all do? | — | -HotDirt | | Before you buy. | | | | Before you buy.

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 A question here for more experienced folks– What do you all do about HRM chafing? Body Glide? What about rashes? I tend to get an annoying rash under my transmitter if I wear it every time I train, and can get some chafing on runs as well. Others I know who use HRM’s don’t seem to have this problem, and so can’t give any advice. What do you all do? — -HotDirt Before you buy.

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Throw it out! You don’t need it. I’ve gotten faster over the past few years without my HRM. I lost it a few years ago and never bothered with another one – yet my times continue to come down when I concentrate on training smartly.  A question here for more experienced folks– What do you all do about HRM chafing? Body Glide? What about rashes? I tend to get an annoying rash under my transmitter if I wear it every time I train, and can get some chafing on runs as well. Others I know who use HRM’s don’t seem to have this problem, and so can’t give any advice. What do you all do? — -HotDirt Before you buy.

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Doh, it pays to read the rest of the thread doesn’t it… I wear one in the pool sometimes as it reminds me of racing.(tris) otherwise it’s for warmth when they pool management it being tight with the warm water. Phil

| In 82F pool water? | | So called men? What do you mean? | | As for baldies wearing caps, keeps yer bonce warm dunnit!. | | Phil | | | I think it’s cause men, even the so-called ones, like wearing rubber. | | | | I can’t quite figure this one out either. It’s pretty normal in races, | but | | at the pool during Masters’ about half of the so called men wear them, | even | | the bald ones! | | | | Schwing | | | | Hi | | | | Just curious. | | | | Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair | in | | regular swimming or in triathlons? | | | | From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny | feeling | | in | | my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when | I | am | | fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built | up | when | | I | | was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? | | | | Rob | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Before you buy. | | | |

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Hi Just curious. Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in regular swimming or in triathlons? From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? Rob

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: Hi Howdy, mister! : Just curious. : Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces Them thar headpieces is mandatory in most of yer tryathalons, so the organizers can figger who is in what starting wave, and so’s us tryathaletes can figger out who in tarnation the competition is.  Also maybe so’s the lifeguard folk can spot ya when yer goin’ under.  Which doesn’t make much sense when they gives ya a black cap.  It’s also a real treat when they give the wave ahead of you the same color headpieces as them turnin’ markers.  Yep that’s a real swell situation. Sometimes us menfolk that still gots all their skull hair wears ‘em to keep our bounty from gettin’ all chapped and mangulated by chlorine in the pool.  Sure, it looks kinda girly but then afterwards we got this luxurious mop o’ hair and the womenfolk sure seem to favor it.  Other menfolks just shaves their damn heads and sez hell with it.  Them fellas has less of a tendency to wear a headpiece in the swimmin’ hole, not that there’s anything wrong with that. : From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in : my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am : fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I : was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? That huge funny feeling is called "your legs were spinning like a Hula Hoop(tm) and now all of a damn sudden you’re telling them to bounce like a Pogo Stick(tm)".  They go into rebellion.  It’s not lactic acid, it’s the change in the type of contraction.   If you rode hard enough you could have a fair hell of a bit of lactic acid but you can get that from running too and your legs don’t get quite that same huge funny feeling during a run now do they?  To combat it, run off the bike in training, all the time.  Not far, not necessarily hard, but always.  You probably will never completely rid yourself of HFF (huge funny feeling) in race situations but it will diminish quicker and you’ll get used to it. And one last bit of advice….never, ever, get on yer two-wheeler wearin’ yer rubber head piece under your plastic head protector. Talk about a huge funny feeling! Wade

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Robbie wrote … Hi Just curious. Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in regular swimming or in triathlons?

Not normal. Wearing clothes isn’t always normal … Maybe compulsary? Try to spot a swimmer with no (coloured) cap in a big lake … Try the same if he’s not wearing it. A wet noggin is hard to spot! From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it?

Feels like you’re running with your granma’s legs? Welcome to Triathlon! I’ve found that going to an easier gear in the last 500m or so and picking up the cadence help that dead rubber feeling. For the first 500m of the run take shorter strides, thus also picking up the legspeed. This *should* get you back to normal running quicker. Like Wade said, do a brick session directly after the bike. Even if its only around the block.

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Yes. and…train hard.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Hi Howdy, mister! : Just curious. : Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces Them thar headpieces is mandatory in most of yer tryathalons, so the organizers can figger who is in what starting wave, and so’s us tryathaletes can figger out who in tarnation the competition is.  Also maybe so’s the lifeguard folk can spot ya when yer goin’ under.  Which doesn’t make much sense when they gives ya a black cap.  It’s also a real treat when they give the wave ahead of you the same color headpieces as them turnin’ markers.  Yep that’s a real swell situation. Sometimes us menfolk that still gots all their skull hair wears ‘em to keep our bounty from gettin’ all chapped and mangulated by chlorine in the pool.  Sure, it looks kinda girly but then afterwards we got this luxurious mop o’ hair and the womenfolk sure seem to favor it.  Other menfolks just shaves their damn heads and sez hell with it.  Them fellas has less of a tendency to wear a headpiece in the swimmin’ hole, not that there’s anything wrong with that. : From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in : my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am : fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I : was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? That huge funny feeling is called "your legs were spinning like a Hula Hoop(tm) and now all of a damn sudden you’re telling them to bounce like a Pogo Stick(tm)".  They go into rebellion.  It’s not lactic acid, it’s the change in the type of contraction.   If you rode hard enough you could have a fair hell of a bit of lactic acid but you can get that from running too and your legs don’t get quite that same huge funny feeling during a run now do they?  To combat it, run off the bike in training, all the time.  Not far, not necessarily hard, but always.  You probably will never completely rid yourself of HFF (huge funny feeling) in race situations but it will diminish quicker and you’ll get used to it. And one last bit of advice….never, ever, get on yer two-wheeler wearin’ yer rubber head piece under your plastic head protector. Talk about a huge funny feeling! Wade

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I can’t quite figure this one out either. It’s pretty normal in races, but at the pool during Masters’ about half of the so called men wear them, even the bald ones! Schwing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Just curious. Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in regular swimming or in triathlons? From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? Rob

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I think it’s cause men, even the so-called ones, like wearing rubber. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t quite figure this one out either. It’s pretty normal in races, but at the pool during Masters’ about half of the so called men wear them, even the bald ones! Schwing Hi Just curious. Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in regular swimming or in triathlons? From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling in my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when I was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? Rob

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So called men? What do you mean? As for baldies wearing caps, keeps yer bonce warm dunnit!. Phil

| I think it’s cause men, even the so-called ones, like wearing rubber. | | I can’t quite figure this one out either. It’s pretty normal in races, but | at the pool during Masters’ about half of the so called men wear them, even | the bald ones! | | Schwing | | Hi | | Just curious. | | Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in | regular swimming or in triathlons? | | From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling | in | my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am | fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when | I | was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? | | Rob | | | | | | | | | Before you buy.

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In 82F pool water?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So called men? What do you mean? As for baldies wearing caps, keeps yer bonce warm dunnit!. Phil | I think it’s cause men, even the so-called ones, like wearing rubber. | | I can’t quite figure this one out either. It’s pretty normal in races, but | at the pool during Masters’ about half of the so called men wear them, even | the bald ones! | | Schwing | | Hi | | Just curious. | | Is is normal for men to wear them rubber head pieces over their hair in | regular swimming or in triathlons? | | From coming off the bike and into the run, I get this huge funny feeling | in | my legs when I run. This is not the same when I go out running when I am | fresh. I would guess it is probably the lactic acid that has built up when | I | was cycling. How do I combat it and get rid of it? | | Rob | | | | | | | | | Before you buy.

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sorry for my ignorance in this subject matter, but what is "slack-angle?" thank you again for the advice =) -warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, many triathletes still ride slack-angled road bikes (me included). Personal preference, riding style, type of terrain ridden all have an influence on what you choose to ride.

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What is "slack angle"?

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hi, i am doing my first triathlon in a few months and i was wondering about something. i heard that seat angle is important in the bike leg of a triathlon event. well, i have been training now for about 1/2 year on a cannondale with a seat angle of 75 degrees. i rode my friend’s multisport 2000 on one training day…his seat angle is 78 degrees. i cannot tell that there was any difference in the way i felt when i road except that going into the aero position seemed harder on my shoulders towards the end of the ride. is the difference in seat angle really that important? if so, should i get a forward seat post and get used to that riding style? thanks for any comments! -warren

Look here:   http://216.1.61.177/fit_set-up.html This page discusses the theory of forward positioning/steep seat angles. FWIW, many triathletes still ride slack-angled road bikes (me included). Personal preference, riding style, type of terrain ridden all have an influence on what you choose to ride. Good luck. — Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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Proper climbing technique (i.e. big hills) requires glutes, which are best engaged using a slack seat angle. The position lengthens the glutes prior to the power phase, which ensures maximal contractility. — Andre Charlebois BPE in exercise science Professional Fitness and Lifestyle Consultant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As with many bike adjustments – it is all personal. I however have had great success with a forward seat post. It really helps with climbing. The pressure you felt in your sholders could just be from riding ina new position. A good bike shop should let you return the seat post if it doesn’t work out – Peace – Steve hi, i am doing my first triathlon in a few months and i was wondering about something. i heard that seat angle is important in the bike leg of a triathlon event. well, i have been training now for about 1/2 year on a cannondale with a seat angle of 75 degrees. i rode my friend’s multisport 2000 on one training day…his seat angle is 78 degrees. i cannot tell that there was any difference in the way i felt when i road except that going into the aero position seemed harder on my shoulders towards the end of the ride. is the difference in seat angle really that important? if so, should i get a forward seat post and get used to that riding style? thanks for any comments! -warren

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As with many bike adjustments – it is all personal. I however have had great success with a forward seat post. It really helps with climbing. The pressure you felt in your sholders could just be from riding ina new position. A good bike shop should let you return the seat post if it doesn’t work out – Peace – Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, i am doing my first triathlon in a few months and i was wondering about something. i heard that seat angle is important in the bike leg of a triathlon event. well, i have been training now for about 1/2 year on a cannondale with a seat angle of 75 degrees. i rode my friend’s multisport 2000 on one training day…his seat angle is 78 degrees. i cannot tell that there was any difference in the way i felt when i road except that going into the aero position seemed harder on my shoulders towards the end of the ride. is the difference in seat angle really that important? if so, should i get a forward seat post and get used to that riding style? thanks for any comments! -warren

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<< his seat angle is 78 degrees. Depends on your femer length and where the postion puts your knee in relation to the BB and crank-that is where the power comes from, not the ‘aero’ position- As for your question-depends-get a fit and find out, a 78 degree seat tube angle isn’t automatically faster- peter

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hi, i am doing my first triathlon in a few months and i was wondering about something. i heard that seat angle is important in the bike leg of a triathlon event. well, i have been training now for about 1/2 year on a cannondale with a seat angle of 75 degrees. i rode my friend’s multisport 2000 on one training day…his seat angle is 78 degrees. i cannot tell that there was any difference in the way i felt when i road except that going into the aero position seemed harder on my shoulders towards the end of the ride. is the difference in seat angle really that important? if so, should i get a forward seat post and get used to that riding style? thanks for any comments! -warren

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I’m looking for a watch with a minimum of 10 laps memory recalls. That shouldn’t be a problem (Timex/Casio etc) Also I would like to have for these 10 laps a target timer. With this I mean that I can preset the watch to give a beep at a specific time during the run. I use this to check at a number of specific points of my daily run whether or not I’m on schedule.

The Timex Ironman Triathlon has 100 lap memories and a timer with 9 intervals that can be repeated 9 times. Ismael —        | Production sound mixer     | http://www.ismael.cordeiro.com/ |        | Montr

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Enjoyed your report Lance.  Did my first race two weeks ago, loved it! Good luck, and maybe we’ll see you at the races. Mike Mike Mauldin Charlotte, NC

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Hi there RST.  This weekend I completed my first triathlon — with no small amount of inspiration and help from the folks in this newsgroup.  What follows is a long race report for anyone who is interested.  This is also posted at http://www.panix.com/~lmb/triathlon/races/gold_coast_98.html with pictures forthcoming.  Enjoy! 1998 Long Island Gold Coast Triathlon: Race Report Sunday, June 21, 1998 Port Washington, NY .75km Swim, 20km Bike, 5km Run The Preparation The Gold Coast Triathlon was my first race barring one I did in college about 10 years ago. I decided in November or December that I wanted to do this thing called triathlon. I had been running some, and was swimming to recover from a stress fracture in my left tibia. This cross training peaked my interest, and I started looking around for a race to do sometime in the early summer. After a few weeks, I decided on the Gold Coast Tri. This is a small community event on Long Island, not too far from Manhattan where I live. I could get there without too much hassle and it was the right distance for me (a sprint). It’s not really fair to say that I was a runner; I had only been doing about 10 miles a week for a few months. So I basically came into this from a very low fitness level. Anyway, the swimming got me to thinking that I could probably do triathlon and enjoy it. In February, I found a used 1996 QR Special Edition through rec.sport.triathlon and fell in love with riding it. Through the months of February, March and April I spent a lot of time on a Cycleops Mag Trainer, and on nice days would ride around Central Park a few loops. Once the weather got nicer (though this winter was pretty nice overall), I started pushing myself to go farther and faster around the loop in the park. When I was capable of maintaining an average speed of 18-19 mph for about 20 miles I ventured out on longer rides into New Jersey and upstate NY, culminating in a 50 mile ride on the Thursday before the race, maintaining a pace of 20mph. I also kept up the running about 3 times a week after my stress fracture healed around the first of April. I usually put in about 15 miles per week, trying to increase my pace to less than 8 minute miles. In May, I managed 4.5 miles at a 7:53 pace which I felt was pretty good for my level. I also kept up the swimming a couple of times a week until the beginning of June when the weather became so consistently nice that it was much more fun to run or bike. The last 3 weeks before the race, I only swam twice! Needless to say, my training routine was not very scientific. I tried keeping a log and I got a heart rate monitor which I wear, but haven’t used to really increase my speed or endurance yet. I found that I really just enjoyed the exercise, and that I could obsess about pace and distance after I make it through race number one. My peak weeks were in April, when I had a couple of 10 hour weeks. My worst were the two weeks prior to the race when I justified sleeping late as "tapering" (Ha!) and ended up with a couple of long rides, an 8k road race the week before, and a couple of short runs. Despite my "taper", I felt pretty good, and was eager to do the race. Pre-Race Preparations Because I love to eat out, and I’m really not very disciplined, I went out for a seafood dinner the night before the race. My fiancee and I waited for a table at a little restaurant in Port Washington for over an hour before we were seated. The food was good, but we didn’t get back to the hotel until about 11pm. By this time I was kind of freaking out. I still had to get everything ready for the next morning, and go over the transitions before I went to bed — and I wanted to wake up at 5:30am to be nice and warmed up by race start at 8:00. At the hotel, I laid everything out, double and triple checked my tire pressure, practiced getting into and out of this wetsuit that I bought used a couple of days before, and finally got into bed at around 11:45pm. At 1:30am, the air conditioner in our hotel room fell apart, making tons of noise and sending me bolt upright in bed. Needless to say, I did not get a very restful night before the race. However, because of nerves, I probably wouldn’t have slept too well anyway. I awoke at 5:50, and managed to get out of bed by 6:00. The roads were closed at the race location at 7:30, so I rushed around packing things up and eating a powerbar, and left the hotel at about 6:45, so that I could arrive at the race around 7:15. When we got there, there were already a bunch of people setting bikes up in the transition area, and a few volunteers marking people up. I took my bike and bag from the car and hauled it over to the transition area. I kind of just watched other people to figure out what to do. After setting up my bike and stuff, I went to be marked. Since I was so eager to get my race application in (months ago), and this was a small event, I had a pretty low number (7). This was a little private boost. I kept telling myself that elite athletes got to wear the low numbers. Obviously, I do not fall into that crowd, but private fantasies never hurt anyone, right?! After getting instructions from the race director, we all walked along the beach to the race start. The swim was a point-to-point in the Long Island Sound, and would begin in waves. First would be the 35 and older men, second would be 34 and under men, and third would be women and relays. We all splashed around in the water a bit to warm up (and for those of us who had never worn a wetsuit before, to see what it would be like to swim in one). There were about 250 people competing, so it was not really a madhouse. In fact it was really nice to have such a small field. Family and friends were hanging out on the beach with us. My fiancee was great and kept giving me words of encouragement. At last, about 8:05am, we were given final instructions and the first wave was sent off. Five minutes later, the horn sounded for the second wave, and I was off! The Race The Swim I ran from the beach into the cold water of the Long Island Sound. I had positioned myself near the back of the pack since swimming is not my forte, and I had never participated in a mass start like this. I wasn’t really ready for all the elbows and feet I encountered, but eventually got used to it, and as the pack thinned out (it’s lonely at the back) I could swim without having to swim on top of people. Once I got going, I realized that I was having a tough time breathing. I still don’t know if it was the cold of the water, anxiety, or the wetsuit (which I think is a little small). My breaths were shallow and gasping for about the first 5-7 minutes. Also, I had never done an open water swim before. Even point-to-point, navigating is hard. I found myself zig-zagging from right to left a lot. I imagine I could have shaved a couple of minutes off my time if I had just gone in a straight line. My goal time for the swim was modest, I was shooting for 15 minutes. With this swim, it seemed like it would take an eternity. There was not the familiar touch-the-wall-ten-laps-to-go feeling that gives one a sense of pace. I had no idea how I was doing, but I did know that I kept having to stop and reorient myself with the slowly approaching finish. When I finally reached the shore I stumbled out of the water and tried running to the transition area. Man, I was tired! That was harder than I thought it would be. I saw and heard Katie on the shore cheering me on. That gave me a little boost, and as I made it to the pavement, I rememberd to hit the split on my watch: 17:11. Yikes! That was more than 2 minutes longer than my goal. Oh well, "just keep moving," I thought. When I found my bike, I stripped out of my wetsuit. Underneath I was wearing a racing singlet with my number already pinned on, and a pair of biking shorts without the padding. All I had to do was put on my shoes, glasses, helmet and be on my way. But I found it hard to do all of this without sitting down. So I sat on my towel and donned my cycle gear, got up and grabbed my bike and started running for the exit. Once there, I mounted and was off. The Bike I was still a little shakey from the swim, so I had trouble clipping in. Once I did, I remembered to hit the split on my watch. T2 was 2:37 — O.K. I guess, but I probably could have sped that up a bit. The bike course was two 6 mile loops with a couple of rolling hills, but mostly flat. Perfect! This is exactly what I’ve been doing in Central Park all spring. As I found my rythm in the pedals, I started to feel pretty good about things. That familiar feeling of spinning was great. I maintained a cadence of about 85-90, and didn’t bother to push the really big gears. I didn’t do a single brick in my training, so I wanted to be sure I had something left for the run. I was averaging about 20-21 mph and began to pass all those folks who burned by me on the swim. There were two U-turns on the loop, and I was a little tentative the first time around, but as my confidence built, I started hitting corners hard, and by the second loop, I was moving around the U-turns at a respectable pace. Towards the end of the first loop, I began to realize how thirsty I was. The salt from the ocean was giving me cotton mouth and my water bottles became my friends. I was worried about drinking too much right before the run and cramping, but that turned out not to be a problem. As I finished the first loop, I saw Katie again cheering me on. It was really great to have her there. Moral support is incredible sometimes! Just before the end of this first loop, the only people to pass me on the bike blew past me on their way to the finish. I assumed these were the leaders, because they were moving pretty fast, looked like incredible athletes, and their bikes made me drool. After wiping my chin, I focused on the last loop, and finished the bike … read more »

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em.  I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there….

Oh, I can top that!  I had a couple of people actually get pissed at me for hollering "On your left!" and passing on their left when they were way the hell over in the lane.  I think they thought I should have just passed them on their right.  I went by and said, "It’s illegal to pass someone on the right, and you’re supposed to stay to the right all the time unless you’re actively passing."  Of course, the next time the road went uphill just a bit, they’d pass Miss Clydesdale here right back and there they’d be once again, just sitting there on the left. It’s easy enough to forgive ignorance, but when they continue to break the rule after having been informed about it, that’s just plain rude.  I just couldn’t believe this one woman who got really pissed at me; I yelled "On your left!" twice, and by that point I was right on top of her and committed to passing, and she would NOT move over.  I actually wound up crossing over the center line because my hands were nowhere near the brakes and I couldn’t/wouldn’t pass on the right.  She screamed something angrily at me and I hollered right back that she was blocking.  A minute later she passed me back and stuck like glue to the left side of the lane.  I eventually dropped her like a bad habit, but I was positively amazed by her rudeness. In contrast, there were two guys out there whom I passed while warning them that they were blocking, and as soon as they caught up to me again one of them said, "Sorry about the blocking; I didn’t know about it."  I gave him a friendly 10-second explanation of drafting/blocking rules, for which he thanked me.  The second guy caught up just then and said, "What’s the rule?  I couldn’t hear."  So at least some folks out there WANT to follow the rules—they just don’t know ‘em. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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<big snip Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em.  I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there…. Chaz

Ditto.  I started about 2/3 back on the bike in my tri last weekend (slow seeded swim times will do that for ya), and saw no drafting but a ton of blocking as I edged my way up.  "On your left" usually met with no sign of recognition (was I speaking French?).  Some people (maybe some who buy USAT 1-day passes) just don’t know what blocking is, but others just don’t seem to worry about it.  Drafting was denounced in our info packets, but blocking wasn’t mentioned.  Perhaps a little more race-day education would cure some of the center-line attraction. — "The 100% Anti-Draft" Dragon MechE – Nokia Mobile Phones The man who believes he can do anything is probably right; So is the man who believes he can’t.

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I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Tri-Baby

I have notices that some of the worst riding positions are found in the pro women’s field. The usual drill: glued to the center line with noone else in sight. Two or three loud "on your left"’s and then a pass on the right by me. The worst part is then the same woman will then scream at another rider "on your left! ON YOUR LEFT!" until they get out of the way. Maybe the stress level is a bit higher when you’re racing for you dinner. I wonder if the pro rule that states that cyclists must be staggered across the road is the reason for this riding style. If so, how do the officials differentiate between the pros and amateurs at a race like Wildflower where they’re both on the course at the same time? On the drafting front, I did not see much if at any. Maybe a few "in the zone" for a while, but no wheel sucking. Then again I did not see to many cyclists either. When you are pretty much alone, I would rather see a pair of people riding side by side and not drafting then right behind one another. Even though both are technically illegal. Mini race report; apply to all races until further notice: Great swim. Good bike. Died on the run. End report. myke — Tellmesomethingidontknowtellmesomethingicanusepushthebuttonconnectthegoddam ndots

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. My view from a little further up in the race merits a full SHEESH!  Not only was blocking completely rampant, it was mighty drafty as well.  I saw a lot of motorcycles and only one time was an athlete so much as warned — and that was for a minute-long yellow line violation.  Granted, it was crowded out there for the first 10-15 miles, but there seemed to be minimal effort by officials and many athletes to follow the rules. Could have used old C.J. out there.  Yup, that cowboy would have cleaned up the place. Mark Vande Kamp

As one of the officials at the International distance race on Sunday, I’d just like to note that blocking and drafting were high on the officiating agendas for the long course and international.  From what I understand, somewhere between 60-70 blocking or drafting fouls were "awarded" on Saturday – this is 6-7% of the total number of participants. The number of position fouls called on Sunday were less, primarily due to the fact that there are few places on the out/back bike course that were conducive to drafting, although blocking fouls were looked for everywhere, especially on climbs. Joe Sventek

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: As one of the officials at the International distance race on Sunday, : I’d just : like to note that blocking and drafting were high on the officiating : agendas : for the long course and international.  From what I understand, : somewhere between : 60-70 blocking or drafting fouls were "awarded" on Saturday – this is : 6-7% of the : total number of participants. : The number of position fouls called on Sunday were less, primarily due : to the fact : that there are few places on the out/back bike course that were : conducive to drafting, : although blocking fouls were looked for everywhere, especially on : climbs. : Joe Sventek Way to go, Joe!  Glad you were there! -Charlie

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Oh, Charlie, would that I were!  Dan was giving me grief from here to next Tuesday at Wildflower, pushing, prodding, cajoling, GUILTING me to come to Oceanside, but alas, I have the triathlete’s age-old excuse for this one (did everyone see that article in Inside Tri last month?):  I have to go to a wedding the night before the race.  As a matter of fact, I’m a bridesmaid in said wedding (oh, always a bridesmaid!), so there is no slinking out of this one.

I assume it’s because you won’t be in town for the race.  I did a triathlon the morning after my *own* wedding in September. Ken "got permission way ahead of time" Lehner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. Tri-Baby                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

Actually, TB, I was telling Charlie that very same thing at St. Anthony’s. The majority of violations seem to be blocking – people stacking left and staying there until it’s difficult or illegal to get around’em.  I yelled "On your left" til I was hoarse & they’d still just sorta sit there…. Chaz

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even : worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in : the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would : politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and : rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just : don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all : the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone : penalized? Well. I’m coming to USTS Oceanside, so I’ll get a chance to see how folks in California are riding these days.  Will you and your famous TR bars be there? -Charlie

Oh, Charlie, would that I were!  Dan was giving me grief from here to next Tuesday at Wildflower, pushing, prodding, cajoling, GUILTING me to come to Oceanside, but alas, I have the triathlete’s age-old excuse for this one (did everyone see that article in Inside Tri last month?):  I have to go to a wedding the night before the race.  As a matter of fact, I’m a bridesmaid in said wedding (oh, always a bridesmaid!), so there is no slinking out of this one. I’m bummed, too, ’cause it sounds like it’s going to be a total hoot. Between Dan’s "anti-drafting device" and your presence, it’s sure to be the cleanest race ever seen in California to boot. *sigh* Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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: events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie

I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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: I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even : worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in : the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would : politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and : rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just : don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all : the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone : penalized? Well. I’m coming to USTS Oceanside, so I’ll get a chance to see how folks in California are riding these days.  Will you and your famous TR bars be there? -Charlie

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: events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie

Charlie –   And you’ve assured me that Memphis is marshalled quite rigorously, right? Are you there? Chaz

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To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays a very controversial issue. Living in Europe I’m in favour of allowing drafting for the simple reason that in the majority of our competitions the cycling phase develops on narrow roads and the number of officials available doesn’t allow a credible control. Legal drafting is better than an illegal one which in our roads and with the actual controls would take place anyway.

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To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays a very controversial issue. Living in Europe I’m in favour of allowing drafting for the simple reason that in the majority of our competitions the cycling phase develops on narrow roads and the number of officials available doesn’t allow a credible control. Legal drafting is better than an illegal one which in our roads and with the actual controls would take place anyway.

In events where the course/conditions make it literally impossible to avoid drafting, I’d say the race director should consider making it a draft-legal event.  It’s ridiculous to deny cold hard realities like narrow roads combined with large, competitive fields. I’ve got nothing against draft-legal racing per se; it’s just that rules have to be established one way or the other, and then enforced.  And I personally don’t feel that draft-legal racing should be representative of our sport to the world at large—in other words, I don’t think the Olympics or the World Championships should be draft legal.  For other events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! Just my $.02. Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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: events, sure, why not?  But I sure hate seeing people drafting at : non-drafting races, pisses the hell outta me! : Just my $.02. : Tri-Baby Me too, Tricia, in fact I think I’ll head on down to the Gulf Coast Triathlon this weekend and see what I can do about it -Charlie

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I was wishing you were there at Wildflower this weekend, Charlie.  Even worse than the one or two instances of blatant drafting that I saw way in the back was all the stupid, ignorant blocking.  Even after I would politely inform people that what they were doing was called blocking and rendered them subject to penalties, they’d continue doing it.  I just don’t understand!  Why on earth does anybody need to ride practically all the way over on the center line???  Do they want to get killed, let alone penalized? Sheesh.

My view from a little further up in the race merits a full SHEESH!  Not only was blocking completely rampant, it was mighty drafty as well.  I saw a lot of motorcycles and only one time was an athlete so much as warned — and that was for a minute-long yellow line violation.  Granted, it was crowded out there for the first 10-15 miles, but there seemed to be minimal effort by officials and many athletes to follow the rules. Could have used old C.J. out there.  Yup, that cowboy would have cleaned up the place. Mark Vande Kamp

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To draft or not to draft? This is the problem! Drafting is nowadays one of the most controversial issues of triathlon and it cannot be dismissed with a few words in favour or against. In Europe, the cycling phase of a race in the majority of the competitions, develops on narrow roads where a credible control by the officials is often impossible. For this reason I think that official drafting is to prefer to illegal drafting which would take place anyway!

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I just talked to Steve Locke.  He apologized for not doing this himself but he’s really busy right now.  Here’s what Steve told me.   * "There are no angels here.  Lot’s of different problems created the      unfortunate situation at Muncie."       1) The officials were USAT but the rules they were enforcing were          ITU.  The ITU "illegal drafting race" rule allows 30 seconds for a          pass (USAT is 15 secs).  Also, in the ITU rule if you end up not          passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re          cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly          impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop          hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time          you were drafting.       2) Only 9 motorcycles showed up (he didn’t say why).  Steve says that          the theory this was an "ITU conspiracy" is "Totally Bogus".  So .          .  .  25 refs showed but only 9 were on the course.       3) For an unknown reason the ITU director at the race did *not*          direct all 9 motorcycles to officiate the age group race after          they were done with the pros. Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES. —    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (970) 229-3117

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I just talked to Steve Locke.  He apologized for not doing this himself but he’s really busy right now.  Here’s what Steve told me.  * "There are no angels here.  Lot’s of different problems created the     unfortunate situation at Muncie."      1) The officials were USAT but the rules they were enforcing were         ITU.  The ITU "illegal drafting race" rule allows 30 seconds for a         pass (USAT is 15 secs).  Also, in the ITU rule if you end up not         passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re         cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly         impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop         hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time         you were drafting.

Larry, please clarify this for me. Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call? I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again. You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it. Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer. This, to me, is downright stupid if true. We are, after all, racing out there. snip<< Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES.

Well said! I agree with this completely. And, as athletes, we need to support the officials and their actions to keep anarchy out of the sport. Enforcement is the best (maybe the only) way to keep the athletes playing fair. Many will take it as far as they are allowed to. Every pitcher in MLB knows how every umpire judges the strike zone, and adjusts to it. The NFL and NBA players do the same thing. They play by the rules *as enforced*, not as written. If pass interference was against the rules in football, but the referees chose to not penalize for it, imagine the result. Andrew Peabody Miami Beach —   LSC (aka Larry Chapman)   (970) 229-3117

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Larry, please clarify this for me. Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call?

That is correct. I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again.

That’s how the rules used to be written.  Unfortunatly, many cheaters started playing the in-and-out game.  We even had a Pro set his watch to beep every 15 seconds! You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it.

Right. "5.10.H  Exceptions.         A participant may enter the drafting zone without penalty only         under the following conditions:            (1) When entering the drafting zone from the rear, closing the                gap, and overtaking, all within no more than 15 seconds." Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer. This, to me, is downright stupid if true. We are, after all, racing out there.

So . . . suggest an alternative that will prevent in-and-out. snip<< Steve also mentioned how graphic the drafting was in the age groups.  Lots and lots of cheating.  That, IMHO, is not a USAT or ITU problem – IT’S OUR PROBLEM AS ATHLETES.

–    LSC (aka Larry Chapman)    (970) 229-3117

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        …in the ITU rule if you end up not         passing within the 30 seconds you just leave the zone and you’re         cool.  So, folks just play the in-and-out game – clearly nearly         impossible for a marshal to enforce.  USAT rules close that loop         hole by saying that if you don’t pass within the specified time         you were drafting. Larry, please clarify this for me.

Will you listen to anyone other than Larry? Does this mean that if I am attempting to pass and that rider puts out an effort to stay ahead, if he/she can hold me off for 15 seconds then I am subject to a drafting call?

Technically speaking, "Yup!" From the rule book:   5.10(h) Exceptions:     A participant may enter the drafting zone without penalty only under     the following conditions:         (1) When entering the drafting zone from the rear, closing             the gap, and overtaking all within no more than 15 seconds;         (2) When cyclists reduce speed for safety reasons, for             course blockage, for an aid station, for an emergency, when             entering or exiting a transition area, or when making a turn             of 90 degrees or more; or         (3) When USA Triathlon or the Head Referee expressly excludes             a section of the bicycle course from the position foul             rules because of overly narrow lanes, construction, detours,             or a similar reason. This means that the only time you are allowed 15 seconds is if you enter the drafting zone from the back and pass the other cyclist within those 15 seconds.  Since you must enter from the back, this also prevents you from slipping in the side, drafting the other cyclist for 10 seconds and then passing him. I have been under the impression that if a pass was unsuccessful one must merely drop out of the zone before attempting again. You are saying here that unless one is 100% sure that they can make the pass, it is cheating to even attempt it.

From Section 5.10(f) of the rule book (the section on "Position and Passing"):     A participant must not attempt to pass another cyclist unless     adequate space is available and he is confident of his ability     to overtake and pass the other cyclist. There is no violation for attempting to pass when you are less than 100% sure you can successfully complete the pass.  The violation occurs if you actually fail to complete it (i.e. the violation is not in attempting the pass, but in failing to complete it).  My belief is that the above sentence in the rules is included to prevent people from using the excuse, "Really! I was trying to pass!" Back to the example that Andrew presented above, I would be very surprised if you got a penalty because you tried to pass someone and they accelerated.  I have spoken to at least one "zero tolerance" official who says he really only penalizes people who are trying to gain a benefit from drafting.  Of course, if you repeatedly failed to pass people, then it wouldn’t surprise me as much if you were penalized.   The safest way to pass someone is to move to the side and pass them without ever intersecting drafting zones.  If the zones never intersect, then there cannot be a drafting violation, even if it takes you 3 minutes to pass them (if it takes 3 minutes, then make sure you don’t block other cyclists). Maybe USAT needs to look at our own rules a little closer.

On numerous occasions (like since before RST even existed and tri talk took place on rec.running and rec.bicycles), Larry has solicited rule suggestions from people on the net.  If you have ideas for rule changes or additions, then send them to Larry or even post them here on RST.  That’s what I always do!  But in doing so, I would also suggest that instead of just pointing out flaws in the rules, you try and suggest ways to fix those flaws. This, to me, is downright stupid if true.

It’s not so stupid when you compare it to the ITU rule that has a loophole in it big enough to allow rapidly rotating pacelines. We are, after all, racing out there.

Yup, but in order to keep the race fair, we all have to follow the same set of rules.  Until some rules are written that distinguish between the case Andrew describes above and the guy who sucks wheel for 15 seconds before dropping back, I think the correct choice is to have the rule be a little too strict rather than too lenient. (Remember that the rule must be enforceable and cannot require the official to read anyone’s mind to determine intent). While we are on the topic of rules, I’d like to point out one other aspect of the USAT drafting rules that are often misunderstood.  A lot of people believe that you only need to stay 1 meter to the side of someone else to avoid a drafting violation.  This is incorrect.  The USAT drafting rules state that your drafting zone only needs to intersect with the drafting zone of another cyclist to be in violation.  Remembering that drafting zones extend 1 meter to each side, this means that you must stay 2 meters to the side of another cyclist. As always, if anyone wants to see the USAT rules, I have them on my web page.  Remember that the only way for everyone to follow the same rules is if everyone makes an effort to learn them.                                         — John — John Walker        Jackson & Tull Chartered Engineers, Seabrook, Maryland WWW URL:   http://xenon.stanford.edu/~walker  

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I eat fiber one also…and doc says it is great for me.  I get tired  of it sometime and add a bit of tastier cereral.  I crunch along at my desk at work (I eat it dry).  It works for me.

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Any suggestions for a whole-grain alternative to oatmeal for breakfast?

Okay, here is the perfect breakfast. It’s an old WW recipe that is so great your kids will want you to make one for them!!! I hear you can make several ahead and freeze them, but haven’t tried it. Picture this, your sitting at the office, it’s 9:00, you raced out of the house with no breakfast again. Today, however, you pull out of your briefcase a Peanut Butter Chocolate Bar (really!) and savor it with your morning coffee. Now you can hardly wait until breakfast tomorrow!!! Okay, here’s the recipe. You can substitute a different cereal, but I’ve tried a few and the Rice Krispies work great for me. If you try it, I’d love some feedback. Peanut Butter Chocolate Bar 1/3 cup skim milk powder 1 tsp. cocoa 1 pkt. sweetener (to equal 2 tsp. sugar) 1 Tbsp. peanut butter 1/2 tsp. vanilla 2 Tbsp. raisins Mix above with a small amount of water until the consistancy of icing. Add: 3/4 ounce (=1 cup) Rice Krispies Press firmly into a bowl (marg. container works great), cover and refrigerate overnight. In morning, turn onto waxpaper and put it in your bag to eat "on the run". if required. Equals: 1 milk, 1 protein, 1 fruit, 1 bread and optional  calories for cocoa (15 I think) Bon Apetit! Maureen

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Any suggestions for a whole-grain alternative to oatmeal for breakfast? I was thinking one of those low-fat/ fat-free granola cereals – do you think this would be an acceptable alternative? I’ve been doing so well I almost hate to mess with things, but I know (very soon) there will be a day when hot cereal will not fit into my schedule, and I’d LOVE to have a cold alternative waiting in the wings… I’ve tried oatmeal cold (with milk and fruit) – not bad, but a little mushy…

I like frosted mini-wheats.  One serving sticks in my stomach for hours.  And it’s nicely sweetened so I think of it as a treat. "squeak"         mouse

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Any suggestions for a whole-grain alternative to oatmeal for breakfast? I was thinking one of those low-fat/ fat-free granola cereals – do you think this would be an acceptable alternative? I’ve been doing so well I almost hate to mess with things, but I know (very soon) there will be a day when hot cereal will not fit into my schedule, and I’d LOVE to have a cold alternative waiting in the wings… I’ve tried oatmeal cold (with milk and fruit) – not bad, but a little mushy…

I’m very pleased with my daily breakfast cereal, ‘Fiber One’ made by General Mills.  It’s *much* better than ‘All-Bran’–no comparison between the two.  It needs no sweetner (it has a little bit of NutraSweet preadded to it, but no so much that it’s sweet).  It’s very filling! One cup of ‘Fiber One’ *with* one cup of skim milk has: Calories:  200 Fat:         2 grams Fiber:      26 grams!!! Sugar:       0 Priscilla  –  Was 245  – Am now 205  –  Will be 150            –  Size 24  –   Size 16   —    Size 10 North Bend, WA

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 Everyone’s probably tired of seeing my weekly posts by now, but  I’ve really found it helps me to write down how I’ve done for  the week (not to mention I get some good comments, suggestions  and the always popular – ‘atta girl’s)…  Weekly stats:  180 pounds (down from a start of 197, 2 down                    from last week)            41-1/2" x 32-1/2" x 43" (lost my measurements  from last week, so can’t give an inches lost tally) snip<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 The other extra-ordinary thing about this week is that I have  actually made an effort to eat MORE – more protein especially,  but whole grains too. My calorie intake has been around  1300-1500 per day (compared with less than 1000 before). More  food, more weight loss. This has routinely been a week I can  normally loose little or no weight (period week) but this week  the pounds dropped away. snip<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I was wondering how you were,  and it sounds good,  more muscle,  less jiggle,  heavier weights,   thinking of becoming a runner.  Maybe week 16 will include some triathalon stories.  Sounds like everything is working fine. I’m also preparing for my kid’s screwing up my normal schedule this summer. Too old to take to the gym,  too young to stay home alone.  If I were a "good" father I would play with them,  the active type play I avoid most of the time.  Now there’s a thought.

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Hi how can I get a good training program? I have maked a performance test and now I want to become as good as possible in the next 3 years (Ironman) Now I need 10h 45min. I am a student so I do not have so much money. thanks sven

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Hi how can I get a good training program? I have maked a performance test and now I want to become as good as possible in the next 3 years (Ironman) Now I need 10h 45min. I am a student so I do not have so much money. thanks sven

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Hi how can I get a good training program?

You can try to search the WWW for interesting tri-websites /Fredrik Olsson, Sweden

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: – Hi how can I get a good training program?

You can try to search the WWW for interesting tri-websites /Fredrik Olsson, Sweden

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: Hi : how can I get a good training program? I have maked a performance test : and now I want to become as good as possible in the next 3 years (Ironman) : Now I need 10h 45min. I am a student so I do not have so much money. : thanks sven You can enroll at CU – Boulder:) Jim

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: Hi : how can I get a good training program? I have maked a performance test : and now I want to become as good as possible in the next 3 years (Ironman) : Now I need 10h 45min. I am a student so I do not have so much money. : thanks sven You can enroll at CU – Boulder:) Jim

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Guess what folks?  There was a mistake in the Collegiate Competition at Wildflower.. It turns out that Cal Poly San Luis Obispo placed first. What happened, you ask?  Well, they Disqualified two of our (best) triathletes and failed to talley our remaining points…   Please check out the posting above for the remaining results (I don’t know what they are officially).  However, I’m sure that Cal Poly did win the competition.   For all you folks out there racing in the collegiate division who are not enrolled in school, be aware.. The two girls who were DQ’ed were told (wrongly) that alumni could race… That’s not correct, obviously, and rightly were disqualified…  They just didn’t talley our remaining points, and  just wrote us down as an incomplete team…and so we were not even considered in the results…After talking with the head dogs up there did it turn up that we should have won.. It always sucks saying to someone that in fact they did not win, but in this case, that’s the way it goes… Cal Poly San Luis Obispo placed first afterall… …Rob Connelly —           __o     o     |  Rob Connelly, Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo         _ <_    .(    |  CP Academic Computing Services    `^o_  (_)/(_)    <    |  CP Triathlon Club, SLO Roadrunners          SWIM   BIKE     RUN    |  http://www.calpoly.edu/~rconnell

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| For all you folks out there racing in the collegiate division who are | not enrolled in school, be aware.. The two girls who were DQ’ed were | told (wrongly) that alumni could race… That’s not correct, obviously, Are professors eligible?  They certainly are in some club sports and not in others.  Just curious.

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